For the first time, a private company is admitted to the competition for the creation of a launch vehicle

Roskosmos for the first time allowed a private company to participate in the competition for the creation of the Amur-LNG launch vehicle. The Russian company "CosmoKurs" will take part in the competition, it follows from the tender documentation on the state procurement website.

According to the document, the Progress Rocket and Space Center, which produces Soyuz, the Khrunichev Center, the developer of Protons and Angaras, and the private company KosmoKurs will take part in the competition. This is the first time that Roskosmos has allowed a private company to create a launch vehicle. Earlier, the private company Dauria was allowed to create two satellites, but none of them started working after being put into orbit.

A competition has been announced for the creation of a two-stage medium-class rocket Amur with a reversible first stage, equipped with an RD-0169 engine, fueled by oxygen and liquefied natural gas (methane). It is assumed that the rocket will be used from the Vostochny cosmodrome and launch 9,5 tons into low-earth orbit with the reusable first stage and 12 tons with a single one, into the geo-transfer orbit - 2,5 tons with the use of the Fregat upper stage and the reusable steps.

The preliminary design of the rocket should be prepared by the end of 2020, 407 million rubles have been allocated for this.

The company "CosmoCourse" previously received a license from Roskosmos for space activities and is currently developing a single-stage reentry rocket and a seven-seat spacecraft for space tourists to fly to an altitude of 200 kilometers. Earlier, plans were announced to build a cosmodrome near Nizhny Novgorod.

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[Ross xnumx]

Roskosmos for the first time allowed a private company to participate in the competition for the creation of the Amur-LNG launch vehicle. The Russian company "CosmoKurs" will take part in the competition, it follows from the tender documentation on the state procurement website.

Let's hope that this "Kosmokurs" is not headed by Alexei Rogozin, or some Chuibais with Serdyukov ...

[Thrall]

Quote: ROSS 42

"Kosmokurs" heads

It is headed by a certain Pushkin, who did not work out with a cosmodrome for tourist flights into space near Nizhny Novgorod under the Skolkovo investment of 3 million rubles. I wanted stable state funding.

[Grandfather]

with such cuts, and Roscosmos will soon become a private company ...

[Souchastnik]

with such cuts, and Roscosmos will soon become a private company ...

I have the impression that the whole country is a society without the responsibility of "United Russia".
Throw cons.

[Rubi0]

This someone is quite a public person, a designer engineer, one of the developers of the Angara, who gathered around him the same people from the Khrunichev Center. You can read about the role of Roskosmos with its bureaucracy in social networks, but judging from this article, Roskosmos is slowly but surely turning into an analogue of NASA, which simply distributes funds between private companies.

[nnm]

as well as the private company "CosmoCourse"

I am sure that a company with a staff of 38 employees, an authorized capital of 100 thousand rubles and losses is exactly what our space needs now (no).

[Thrall]

Moreover, this is the second attempt, they liquidated the previous company with the same name in 2017. From a blank slate and immediately into space for budget money I wanted.

[nnm]

Yes I see. They didn't even come up with a new name.

[leks]

Hmmm, this is arrogance !!!
I wonder how it happened that this company was allowed to participate in the competition !?
A decent income will come out, almost a "pollard" rubles can be obtained for a beautiful draft design.

[Dikson]

Give each area its own cosmodrome! And a five-year plan in three years ...

[nnm]

I think they just asked to submit an application to declare that we also have a private space. Although, the private "Dauria" somehow won a contract for satellites ... so far no one has seen these satellites (I don't remember the details, but this is open information, I think it won't be a problem to find if you wish).

[NDR-791]

Competition announced for the creation of a two-stage medium-class missile "Amur" with a returnable first stage
For what purpose??? Catch up and overtake Musk?

[voyaka uh]

It is hardly possible to overtake Musk, time is lost. But we must try to catch up.
The return of the first stage (by any means) becomes the standard of rocketry.

[NDR-791]

So I ask for what purpose? Just The return of the first stage (by any means) becomes the standard of rocketry. What is this for? When calculating the cost of maintenance and restoration of such a stage, it turns out that it is easy to be monkey.

[voyaka uh]

The savings are huge. SpaceX launches 2 times a month its packs of 60 satellites on used stages almost free of charge.
They could launch more often, but the plant is unable to produce more than 120 satellites per month.

[donavi49]

Well, the mask already has six times. And the interstart is short.

Beck will be next. He has already suddenly tested Photon - and these are light vehicles to the Moon and already to Venus. The next step is the return of the step. The last few launches were with additional telemetry units for data collection, they are also actively rehearsing pickup. Probably this year they will already try.

Next, either the Chinese or Bezos. Who will be the first to return the step.

[ultra]

You cannot overtake someone who is not ahead of you.

Quote: voyaka uh

It is hardly possible to overtake the Mask.

[Souchastnik]

The return of the first stage (by any means) becomes the standard of rocketry.

Is there some kind of rationale and technology underneath, or is it because "EVERYONE DOES IT"?

[voyaka uh]

Only useful things become the standard in any field of technology.
The first stage with engines is 1-70% of the cost of the entire space rocket.
Bringing these reusable engines back in one piece is a logical task. Which we have learned to solve.

[Simargl]

Quote: voyaka uh

The return of the first stage (by any means) becomes the standard of rocketry.

This is when and who got the standard? Well, Musk is returning his steps. Who else?

[Blackmokona]

At the moment, no one yet, but almost everyone is planning and developing to create such missiles. Chinese, Europeans, American competitors of the Mask, in Rosskosmos, etc.

[slipped]

Quote: NDR-791

Competition announced for the creation of a two-stage medium-class missile "Amur" with a returnable first stage
For what purpose??? Catch up and overtake Musk?

It's just that a competition is required by law, which will eventually win the Progress RCC. Unlike Maskov's heavy Falcon, the Soyuz-LNG (the name Amur-LNG is the code of the OCD) is a middle-class rocket.

[voyaka uh]

And what method is going to return the first steps is known?

[slipped]

Quote: voyaka uh

And what method is going to return the first steps is known?

According to the terms of reference, they should be jet-powered. There is another problem - the rocket should occupy a niche between Soyuz-6 and Soyuz-5, but so far the thrust of the planned methane engines is not enough for this. In the sense - to occupy a niche.

[Ross xnumx]

Found!!!

The company has one investor who remains anonymous.

Such is the secrecy ... This same investor sponsors the activities of Rusnano and Skolkovo ...

The company staff for 2018 was 30 people, aged from 20 to 60 years. The minimum wage for a young specialist with a higher education was 55 thousand rubles per person.

And in Russia a young specialist is 18 happy to ... In general, you are up to your waist ...

General Director of the company Pavel Pushkin - a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute, who worked for 10 years at the Khrunichev Center, where he participated in the design of the Angara rocket.

The hangar could not be launched - I decided to build the Yenisei ...

A stand for testing the engine. Products under construction are designed for 10 flights. The launch weight of the rocket is 80 tons, the ship is 7 tons. It is planned to produce 10-12 ships per year.

Rogozin on Vostochny also planned, planned, but did not plan ...

Oxygen and alcohol as fuel for the rocket.

For employees, it's just alcohol ...

The option of a jet landing instead of a parachute jet landing was considered. NPO Avtomatiki is engaged in the manufacture of control systems. It is planned to create a launch pad at the Baikonur cosmodrome. In March 2019, CosmoCourse confirmed the conclusion of an agreement with the Nizhny Novgorod Region on cooperation within the framework of the creation of the first private cosmodrome in the Russian Federation.

Cosmonaut Pavel Vinogradov condemned the possibility of the company building a private cosmodrome, launches from which can lead to casualties among the local population as a result of an accident or falling debris in a populated area.

[Vladimir61]

Yeah! Staff of managers and list of vacancies:
General Design Specialist
Specialist in design coordination of ground equipment and operation of rocket and space complexes
Ballistics specialist
Flight Dynamics Specialist
Load and strength specialist
External Aerodynamics and Thermal Loads Specialist
Process Engineer
Specialist for pneumatic hydraulic systems
Propulsion and rocket engine specialist
Specialist in project coordination of control systems and telemetry complexes
Programming Engineer of ACS TP
S7 and this company staked on high salaries to attract specialists from Roscosmos, and the transition process began ... Someone benefits from this! Who?
Behind such firms may stick out the ears of those who wish to slow down the Russian space program in the long run and engage in industrial espionage.

[Simargl]

Quote: ROSS 42

Oxygen and alcohol as fuel for the rocket.

Will not take off: there will always be a shortage of the reducing agent.

[Souchastnik]

Just alcohol for employees ... wassat

Alcohol in the evening and oxygen in the morning to drive out a hangover

[New Year day]

What for a cosmodrome near Nizhniy? Launch what and who? How is it with the East? Already razed to the ground and off balance? And with a sea launch? And with Plesetsk?
The feeling that those in power are together sawing the budget before the dash to the West

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silvestr

And with Plesetsk?

And what about Plesetsk? Works fine.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Silvestr

The feeling that those in power are together sawing the budget before the dash to the West

Sylvester! You know that I don't give a damn about all these preferences, but the thought in your statement constantly drills the brain. Why do so many nasty things if you stay in Russia? And, if you prepare the soil in Spain, it is better not to come up with.
You see how many defenders have cut budget funds ... Here 14 rubles do not know how to attach ... What can be created on them ... Kudrin scalded his knees with boiling water, proving to Siluanov the need for final privatization, and we listen in silence, we don't even shake off the noodles.
I'm just wondering what kind of response would get the approval of the "hurray-patriots"? Probably like this:
“Yes, why are you unhappy with everything? The country lives better and better. So the coronavirus won. For us, for complete happiness, we do not have enough private cosmodrome and Pushkin, which will tell fairy tales. "

[New Year day]

Quote: ROSS 42

Why do so many nasty things if you stay in Russia? And, if you prepare the soil in Spain, it is better not to come up with.

That is how

[Vadim237]

Because this cosmodrome is private for launching tourists - why would they need Vostochny so that hundreds of millions would be fought from them for rent.

[AML]

Sea Launch belongs to S7. It is generally unclear what questions to Plesetsk.

[forest1]

How do you like that, Ilon Musk?

[rotmistr60]

the Russian company "CosmoCourse" will take part

Given what is known about this company (some commentators have already announced above), you wonder what it is and why? Some clever marketing ploy or an opportunity to earn extra money by participating in a project?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

CosmoCourse LLC
Open vacancies:
Specialist in general design Specialist in design coordination of ground equipment and operation of rocket and space complexes Specialist in ballistics Specialist in flight dynamics
Specialist for loads and strengths Specialists for external aerodynamics and thermal loads
Process engineer Specialist in pneumohydraulic systems Specialist in propulsion systems and liquid-propellant engines Specialist in project coordination of control systems and telemetry complexes Software engineer ACS TP

Frankly speaking, one specialist is not enough.
Department of 3-4 specialists at least.
Organizer - Pavel Pushkin with some experience in leading a team of designers (Khrunichev Center).
For 2019 there are 46 employees.
Authorized capital 100000r (about nothing)
One anonymous investor.
One project.

Lack of patents for inventions (for 6 years?).

Frankly, the financial support does not look full, the investor is "encrypted".
The sphere is costly, and there are no resources for the implementation of projects.
Someone at one time and the creation of a car did not pull, but here - technologically an order of magnitude more responsible design.

Taking into account the fact that in the United States billionaires became the impulse of the project and collected a pool of investments, and the projects have not yet come to fruition, let alone payback, the CosmoCourse enterprise looks utopian.

It is a pity - but by external signs (mainly financial), it still looks like a "button accordion".

[New Year day]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

while it looks like a "button accordion".

Another offshore

[Vadim237]

About Musk and his intentions at one time they said the same.

[ycuce234-san]

Such a small company can really only provide narrow competencies and expertise and have very narrowly specific production.
For example, to provide competent personnel to customers of space projects when accepting work performed and all kinds of internal expertise of work performed, documents, reports. Write rare types of programs for on-board computers, develop individual rarely used parts of microcircuits. To produce antennas, mirrors and lenses, certain types of equipment testing and its settings, custom modeling of various technological processes, prepare reports on literature scientific data on customer topics, participate in competitions on various technological concepts and search for new ideas.
Of the real production, their limit is a geophysical, meteorological rocket, the organization of an atmospheric rocket sensing station (SRZA) to order and hardly more.
In any case, the main emphasis is on personnel, their expertise and competence. Although, for a full-fledged work, they do not have related specialists - for example, shipbuilders and navigators for offshore missile projects, economists, lawyers in various fields, specialists in the negotiation process, in corporate and public administration, and even political scientists who are necessary when working with foreign private customers, who always will depend on the political climate and its trends in the locations of their projects and infrastructure.

[Simargl]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Frankly speaking, one specialist is not enough.

Not enough for what? To work out the concept? Or for implementation? So to work out the concept, I think, "left" people will not be taken. And for implementation - they will still take it. Moreover, then production will have to be established.
If only not another yo-mobile.

[Whirlwind]

I hope Roscosmos has no thoughts of catching up, let alone acquiring a home-grown Mask.
As for the return of the steps, in the USSR these projects were developed and only defeat in the ХВ 1945-1991 pushed these plans for the future.
Now this future has arrived.

[rocket757]

So it's interesting to see what will come of it.

[Vladimir61]

Something from the press, about the head of the company
Until high school, Pushkin did not associate this memory with the fact that all his childhood he lived near the head enterprise of Roscosmos - the Khrunichev State Space Research and Production Center, which has been producing Proton launch vehicles since the 1960s. Most of his relatives in different years worked at the center in different positions - from engineers in the design bureau to personnel managers: grandmother, grandfather, father, mother-in-law, father-in-law, wife (daughter studies in a kindergarten at the center, where she draws rockets and astronauts).

“I knew there was some kind of factory, but no details,” he says. - Dad did not work there then, in the 1990s everyone quit. I knew that my grandfather worked at some large plant, but thought that at Kommunalnik (a neighboring plant where agricultural machinery was produced).

In high school, a physics and mathematics class was organized at the school with the support of the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI). After school, he entered the aerospace faculty of the institute. Studying did not interest him, he spent more time reading books on world history and programming, earning money on creating websites.

In the fourth year, many of Pushkin's classmates went to work at the Khrunichev center. “I was lazy and went there too,” he explains.

He was taken to the design department for the "Angara" - one of the main projects of Roscosmos in recent decades. They began to design a launch vehicle back in the mid-1990s: they wanted to make a heavy rocket only from Russian components, which could take off from Russian cosmodromes and launch any type of spacecraft and loads into space. The Angara was to replace the Proton, the main rocket designed back in the 1960s. "Proton" is launched only from the Baikonur cosmodrome, located in Kazakhstan.

A little later it turns out that he got into a promising department because of his last name: the personnel service, having received his documents, called his grandmother, who previously headed the department, to find out if he was her grandson. “However, they treated me like a moron,” says Pushkin. “For the first six months they just let me redraw different things.”

In the department and in the entire center of Khrunichev there was not the most working environment. The Angara, according to Pushkin, was treated as an unnecessary thing: “there is a Proton, the breadwinner, there is no need to design it, just to support it”. Most of the employees of the enterprise turned out to be inactive - they sat in their places.

In such an environment it turned out to be easy to attract the attention of the leadership. In 2006, Pushkin proposed to the management a project of manned spacecraft, and after a while he prepared a project for the modernization of the Angara, which would reduce the cost of its production and launch by several million dollars. He wrote a diploma based on the project. It was classified. Pushkin defended himself in the very center of Khrunichev.

Pushkin's project was ordered to be introduced into production, but then, according to him, was put on a shelf. “The design has passed all the tests, but the Khrunichev center is an inert place where they do not want to do something, they think about how to sit on their ass,” he says. From 2008 to 2014, Pushkin worked there as deputy head of the design and research department.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vladimir61

but Khrunichev's center is an inert place where they do not want to do something, they think about how to sit on their ass "

If this is true (I do not want to believe it, but most likely it is), then Rogozin did not stir up the nest for nothing. Many places like this: uninitiated people "work". However, I know many whose hands have been beaten off more than once.

[askort154]

Earlier, plans were announced to build a cosmodrome near Nizhny Novgorod.

Give cosmodromes - in every region of Russia! What sponsors is this "private project" for ?! Have not yet decided what to do with the Sea Launch, and started talking about private spaceports. Already in the 90s it became clear that such "super-projects" in all areas are not carried out by patriots of their country, but by "vacuum cleaners of budgetary funds."
Today, the name of Rogozin does not leave the pages of the media, and only
a week ago it became known the name of Efremov - the only person with the title - "Hero of Labor of the USSR" and "Hero of Russia", thanks to which, Russia got ahead for many years, in "hypersound".

[slipped]

Errors in the text amuse: "This is the first time that Roskosmos allowed a private company to create booster."

"Earlier, the private company Dauria was allowed to create two satellites, but none of them started working after being put into orbit." - the head of the company fled to America and from there now comes and throws.

But after that, another private company, Sputniks, successfully launched its satellites, which work great.

[Blackmokona]

Moreover, Dauria's satellites broke down due to a mistake by Rosskosmos. Leaking hydrazine from the booster unit damaged their satellites.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Moreover, Dauria's satellites broke down due to a mistake by Rosskosmos. Leaking hydrazine from the booster unit damaged their satellites.

No, there was no "mistake". Whatever they said in Dauria, the commission found out that the release of fuel from the Fregat did not in any way affect the separation of their satellites.

[Blackmokona]

Only now, not only Dauria's satellites suffered, but also a couple of American ones. Who, according to the results of the investigation of the incident, received insurance payments. And an insurance company without reinforced concrete evidence will not fork out in life. ...
Yes, and the initial version of Rosskosmos is not leaked, no investigation is needed, and in general everything is fine. And the telemetry data was given only to the Americans, but Dauria was not.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

And an insurance company without reinforced concrete evidence will not fork out in life. ...

It is up to the insurance company to decide whether to pay or not. If they decided so, then this is their right. As far as I'm aware, they paid before the official investigation. And according to the results of the official investigation, Roskosmos rolled out a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against Dauria, since there is, as you say, "reinforced concrete evidence" of the opposite.

[Blackmokona]

Rossksomos rolled out the claim without any investigation.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Rossksomos rolled out the claim without any investigation.

Do you think that the trial could have been without any investigation? "Dauria" lost the court with a bang, and the appeal was dismissed. Everything, finish chem.

[Blackmokona]

Well, Rosskosmos said that there was no emergency, so there was no ...

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, Rosskosmos said that there was no emergency, so there was no ...

He not only said, but also proved it in court.

[Pavel57]

So far, the experience of a private company has been negative - Dauria and her companions.

[Pavel57]

Quote: askort154

Already in the 90s it became clear that such "super-projects" in all areas are not carried out by patriots of their country, but by "vacuum cleaners of budgetary funds."

A vacuum cleaner can be made from a company with any form of ownership.

[Vadim237]

In general, almost no one allocated budget funds to them - they all started exclusively on private investments and only then budget funds begin to go to them, but it may turn out to be more expensive to get in touch with them, it will no longer be possible to cut them.

[7,62x54]

Kosmokurs, which for a year in a row closes with millions of losses, the company's staff is less than 30 people. There are no achievements. And if you trace the chain of affiliated persons and enterprises, it is immediately clear that they are going to cut the budget, and not create a high-tech product.