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"Merkava": how Israeli tanks were modernized

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"Merkava": how Israeli tanks were modernized

The Israeli tank "Merkava" (war chariot) is considered one of the best tanks the world and even entered the symbolic top ten tanks for the entire history their creation, taking an honorable ninth place there. During the production of this tank, four main modifications were created: up to the Merkava Mk.4, but the Merkava Mk.5 will no longer be created, the series ended with the fourth model. Instead, Israel is developing a fundamentally new tank with improved fire and defense characteristics, maneuverability and greater speed.


The development of the Merkava tank started in 1970, and the reason for this was the UK's refusal to supply Israel with a batch of Chieftain Mk.1 tanks. After this refusal, the Israeli government set the task of starting the development of a domestic tank. The design work was headed by Major General Israel Tal, who is a combat officer, a participant in all Arab-Israeli wars, and not a design engineer. The first prototypes of the new tank appeared already in 1974, and in 1979 the first four main battle tanks "Merkava Mk.1" entered service with the Israel Defense Forces.

"Merkava Mk.1"



The first model of the Israeli tank "Merkava Mk.1" entered service with the Israel Defense Forces in 1979. The design of the tank was based on the desire of the designers to provide maximum protection and survivability of the crew. In this regard, the "Merkava" differs from the classic tanks. It has an increased combat weight compared to comparable MBT models and an unusual layout: the engine and transmission are located in the bow of the hull. At the same time, the location of the engine in front made it possible to free up a significant amount of space in the rear of the vehicle, where it was possible to provide a hole for an emergency escape from the tank or for the evacuation of tankers from a wrecked vehicle. The feed contains potentially hazardous flammable liquids: fuel and oil.

The tank was equipped with a turret with a 105-mm M68 rifled gun, stabilized in two planes, produced in Israel under an American license. The ammunition load of the gun is 62 rounds and is located in the rear of the fighting compartment in fire-resistant containers. Additional armament is a 7,62 mm machine gun paired with a cannon, two 7,62 mm FN MAG machine guns on the turret, and a 60 mm mortar.

Crew - 4 people, to the right of the gun are the commander and gunner, to the left - the loader. Engine V-shaped four-stroke air-cooled turbocharged diesel engine with a capacity of 910 hp. Speed ​​- 60 km / h.

A total of 250 Merkava Mk.1 tanks were produced (according to other sources - 330), most of them were upgraded to the level of Merkava Mk.2.

"Merkava Mk.2"



In 1983, the next version of the Merkava Mk.2 tank appeared, based on the experience of the 1982 Israeli-Lebanese war. The armor on the tank was increased and maneuverability was improved. The turret armor was reinforced with overhead shields with combined armor. As an anti-cumulative agent, chains with balls suspended in the lower part of the stern of the tower were used. At the stern of the hull, baskets for property are hung, also serving as anti-cumulative screens. The mortar was moved from the roof to the inside of the tower. The vehicle was fitted with CL-3030 smoke grenade launchers, one on each side of the turret.

The tank received a new control system Matador Mk.2, consisting of a complex of observation devices, a two-plane stabilizer with an electrohydraulic drive, an electronic ballistic computer and a laser sight-rangefinder. Two laser alarm sensors were installed. The armament of the tank did not change.

The engine of the tank remained the same, but the transmission was replaced with a more efficient Israeli design.

In October 1984, the first Merkava Mk.2B tanks were manufactured with an improved MSA (a thermal imager was added to it) and reinforced turret roof armor.

"Merkava Mk.3"



Serial production of the next version of the MBT "Merkava" Mk.3 started in 1990. The main difference from previous versions was the replacement of the main gun of the tank. Instead of a 105 mm cannon, as in previous models, the Mk.3 received a 120 mm smoothbore gun. The MG251 cannon was developed by Israel Military Industries. With the change in the caliber of the gun, the tank's ammunition was accordingly reduced, which amounted to 46 shots.

The tank's security was increased by using modular armor protection for the hull and turret, the modules of which were bolted to the front and side surfaces of the main structure of the hull and turret. The LWS-2 laser warning system was installed on the tank, which includes three wide-angle sensors that recorded the laser beam from enemy equipment, and a control panel.

The tank received a new FCS Matador Mk.3 with a stabilized combined (day and night) gunner's sight with a built-in laser rangefinder, an electronic ballistic computer and sensors for firing conditions. The fire control system is coupled with a two-plane gun stabilizer.

The engine was replaced on MK 3. Instead of a 900-horsepower, a forced up to 1200 hp was installed. from. an air-cooled diesel engine in a single unit with a transmission similar to that installed on the Merkava Mk.2.


"Merkava Mk.4"



In the early 2000s, the fourth version of the Merkava Mk.4 tank appeared in Israel, based on the operating experience of all three previous models. The first prototypes were sent to the troops for testing in 1999-2001, and they were shown to the public on June 24, 2002.

The layout of the Mk 4 tank is identical to the previous versions of the Merkava tanks. The turret roof has only the commander's hatch, the loader's hatch has been removed to enhance the protection of the turret top. The control compartment is located on the left in front of the tower. The tank's protection is also reinforced with armor protection modules; there is also a Trophy active protection complex.

The tank received an improved version of the 3-mm smoothbore cannon installed on the MK.120, developed by IMI (Israel Military Industries). The gun is equipped with new recoil devices with compressed gas and a heat-insulating barrel casing developed by Vidco Industries. The gun allows the use of new, more effective projectiles, as well as LAHAT guided missiles with a semi-active laser guidance system. A special semi-automatic loading system allows the loader to select the desired type of ammunition to hit the target. The semiautomatic loader contains 10 shots. The ammunition capacity of the tank is 46 rounds.

Elbit has developed a tank information and control system (TIUS) for the "Merkava" Mk.4. It collects information from electrical and optical sensors, navigation equipment and communications, which are reflected on a color display.

The power plant includes a German-developed 883 hp MTU1500 series diesel engine coupled to a Renk RK325 5-speed automatic transmission.


Until 2014, the Merkava was only in service with the Israel Defense Forces, and the export of the tank was banned due to fears that its design would be studied by Arab intelligence services. In 2014, the first export contract was signed for the supply of Merkava Mk.4 tanks to Singapore. However, while there was no official information that Israeli tanks were put into service with the Singapore army.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 26 September 2020 05: 11
    +3
    the export of the tank was banned due to fears that its design would be studied by Arab intelligence services.
    I think as soon as the "carrot" crosses the border, it will already be in China ... further-circulation. wink
    1. demiurg
      demiurg 26 September 2020 06: 41
      18
      Of all the Merkava, China will only be interested in German diesel and transmission. Possibly ammunition. And the Chinese can also study the spring suspension on the T-34.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 26 September 2020 11: 08
        +1
        This is how the Merkava began.
    2. Hermit21
      Hermit21 26 September 2020 07: 29
      +2
      This part is interesting only to the Jews themselves, or at most to those who have the same soil and climate.
    3. Phoenix
      Phoenix 26 September 2020 10: 23
      -4
      what for? there is nothing to copy, absolutely nothing.
  2. Crabong
    Crabong 26 September 2020 05: 43
    0
    Export banned out of concern ...? Yes, there is absolutely nothing there that can seriously interest someone ... Everything is Western technology, coached in pieces. Jews always pass off their coached in pieces development as something ingenious and unique Israeli ... These merkavas were burned in Lebanon, in 2006 without any problems at all ... Even the number of lost tanks is not voiced by the Jews ...
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 26 September 2020 09: 48
      +5
      Quote: Krabong
      Even the number of lost tanks is not voiced by Jews ...

      Probably not in the Russian-language media, but in Israel it is impossible to hide it, and they will simply be afraid.
      בקיץ 2006, במלחמת לבנון השנייה, הכניס צה"ל ללבנון שלוש אוגדות משוריינות. מרבית הנפגעים באוגדות אלה היו צוותי טנק. מתוך 370 טנקי מרכבה שהיו בשימוש בלחימה, פגע חזבאללה ב -52 טנקים. שניים מהטנקים נפגעו ממטעני גחון וכל צוותי הטנק נהרגו. חזבאללה , שירה במהלך המלחמה כ -500 טילי נ"ט, השתמש לראשונה בטילי נ"ט עם ראש כפול מסוג טאנדם, כנראה מתוצרת רוסיה. טילים אלה מפעילים בתחילה מטען שפוגע במיגון של הטנק, ולאחר מכן הם מפעילים את המטען העיקרי על הטנק החשוף. טילים אלה - בהם הקורנט תוצרת רוסיה - פגעו בחמישה טנקים וגרמו ל -10 הרוגים. בקרבות בלבנון נעשה שימוש במרכבות.
      In order not to search for a translation.
      In the summer of 2006, during the Second Lebanese War, the IDF brought three armored divisions into Lebanon. Most of the losses in these divisions were tankers. Of the 370 tanks used in the battle, Hezbollah hit Xnumx tank (but not destroyed). During the war, they fired about 500 anti-tank missiles, initially using tandem, double-headed anti-tank missiles. They - including the Russian-made "cornet" - blew up five tanks, killed 10 people in Lebanon.
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 26 September 2020 12: 37
        +1
        Stop repeating this nonsense - "it is impossible to hide anything in Israel"! Okay? You can and can hide information everywhere. And in Israel too ...
        And merkavas were burned there very well. Especially when it comes to "cornet".
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 September 2020 12: 46
          +7
          Quote: Krabong
          Stop repeating this nonsense - "it is impossible to hide anything in Israel"! Okay? You can and can hide information everywhere. And in Israel too ...
          And merkavas were burned there very well. Especially when it comes to "cornet".

          Have you been there or do you really want to? lol
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 26 September 2020 14: 10
            -4
            In general, yes, I was in Israel somehow ... And about I want to - I don't care.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 26 September 2020 14: 16
              +3
              I'm talking about the Second Lebanese))
              It is not noticeable that it does not matter, but if you already express your opinion, then it must be based on something. In your case - on the subjective experience of life in the post-Soviet space and Arabian tales (which does not negate the stupid conduct of the 2006 war by the Israelis, but still).
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 September 2020 12: 45
      +7
      Quote: Krabong
      Export banned out of concern ...? Yes, there is absolutely nothing there that can seriously interest someone ... Everything is Western technology, coached in pieces. Jews always pass off their coached in pieces development as something ingenious and unique Israeli ... These merkavas were burned in Lebanon, in 2006 without any problems at all ... Even the number of lost tanks is not voiced by the Jews ...

      Everything is clearly voiced - 56 tanks were hit by EMNIP, 5 of them cannot be restored, 32, as I remember, a tanker died. Destroyed without problems - I would not say))
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 26 September 2020 14: 16
        -5
        So what? Who voiced? Unsolicited Israeli media? The Hezbollons, for example, argued that the Jews underestimate the losses ... I am not saying that the Hizb are right, but the Jews have repeatedly fired at lies about the losses.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 September 2020 14: 21
          +4
          The only lie about the loss of Jews was in 1973 - about the loss of aviation. Under popular pressure, a commission of inquiry was organized, and as a result of its conclusions, the government was forced to resign.
          And what is left for Hezbollons? They announced their losses of 12 people, then admitted 250, the Lebanese government says about 500. At the same time, they twice asked the Israelis for peace.
          And this was in the conditions of a guerrilla war, working on the defensive, while asking the Israelis for peace twice
      2. Crabong
        Crabong 26 September 2020 14: 21
        -7
        Only competent services have a general picture of losses, and here any chutzpah can be expected ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 September 2020 14: 26
          +8
          laughing
          In the IDF, in the line, in the reserve, all serve. Therefore, the name of the lost son / husband / brother, etc., unannounced on TV or in the newspapers. will raise many questions first from the family, then from the public
          Too small a country and too militarized to hide losses from the population
        2. miru mir
          miru mir 26 September 2020 21: 16
          0
          plus sign for learning ancient Hebrew smile
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 September 2020 14: 35
      21
      "Everything is Western technology, coached in pieces" ///
      ---
      Remember the "Russian Vickers" - T-26? Remember Christie's tank? wink
      "We all learned a little, someday, something ..."
      1. peter1v
        peter1v 26 September 2020 18: 30
        +9
        But the tanks are beautiful.
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 26 September 2020 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: peter1v
          But the tanks are beautiful.

          A heavy pancake .. It makes no sense for us even to copy, in the Central Russian strip, in the spring, it will go into the ground up to the very tower like that very fabulous Svyatogor .. :(
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 28 September 2020 16: 41
        0
        And what is left of these Western designs in a modern Russian tank? NOTHING.
        And in the Merkava, nothing changes from the Centurion to my mind. They deployed the bottom from back to front, pushed on the upper armor and the turret, and so they still move.

        By the way: the English Vickers, after the start of assembly in the USSR, with the preservation of all technologies, was an absolutely raw tank. It got to the point that the armor steel simply burst from the load. Then, by order of the Council of People's Commissars, new samples were collected, but with corrected errors of the British. And such a Vickers (T-26) two-turret in 1391 went into series. However, ours went further and in 1933 a single-turret with a 45mm cannon went into production.

        And from Christie we only got a running model. The tank was made in the USSR.
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 September 2020 05: 59
    11
    My personal opinion is that the concept of making the crew as safe as possible was a success for the Jews. Everything is calculated correctly. All the tanks are on fire, but the "Merkava" is easier to leave, and the front engine gives confidence.
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 26 September 2020 07: 28
      +2
      Just because of the layout, the "Carrot" has no normal armor, especially against kinetics, and the crew "gets it" even from small course angles. Because the engine is in front. It is a victim of compromise and economy, which are passed off as virtue. We cannot layered it - we will at least put the engine in the front. We can't use torsion bars - we'll take the springs, yak from the dids on the T-34. If we can't go into the cannon, we'll take it from the British, and then from the Germans. The main thing then is not ceasing to talk about wise decisions
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 26 September 2020 07: 37
        0
        Quote: Hermit21
        We can't use torsion bars - we'll take the springs, yak from the dids on the T-34.

        It seems to me that because of the main enemy - the Arab "terrorists" - it is easier to maintain the damaged chassis on homemade landmines ... In general, the narrow decommissioning of the tank in the theater ...
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR 28 September 2020 16: 44
          0
          Are you serious now ?! Look how much you need to disassemble to get to the broken spring at the Merkava and to the broken torsion bar at the same T-72. This is not to mention the fact that torsion bars live much better when blown up than springs.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 28 September 2020 17: 08
            0
            Quote: PROXOR
            This is not to mention the fact that torsion bars live much better when blown up than springs.

            The undercarriage for the "Merkava" tank was specially developed by an English company with the participation of Israeli specialists, who proposed the "Centurion" tank undercarriage as a basis ...... Since the Israelis opted for the "Centurion" tank suspension (especially thanks to its mine action durability), the question of using a torsion bar suspension did not arise when designing a tank. When analyzing the choice of the suspension, attention was drawn to the fact that the torsion bar can be damaged as a result of a mine explosion to such an extent that its replacement in the field is fraught with significant difficulties.
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 28 September 2020 17: 51
            -1
            As I understand it, there are people for whom getting a fragment of a deformed torsion bar in the field is a trifle ... And yes, even a damaged spring can retain some performance, unlike a burst torsion bar ..
            1. PROXOR
              PROXOR 29 September 2020 12: 15
              0
              It's easier. You remove the track tension, raise the tank on a jack, remove the support arm, unscrew the support arm lever, unscrew the torsion bar attachment cover to the hull, and inside the tank (YES WITH YOGA) unscrew the torsion bar lock from the back side and simply pull it out. Reassemble in reverse order.

              And by the way. Broken 1-2 torsion bars DOES NOT HINDER the tank to independently exit the battle and drive to the rembase on its own.

              Try to get to the spring in Merkava without disassembling the entire side, removing the harp and hinged screens. On the T-72 and T-90, it is not necessary to remove the side screens.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 29 September 2020 17: 18
                0
                Of course, it's easier - you run into a large block, "straighten" the roller, unscrew four bolts on each side of the spring, but here you really need to sweat - the spring weighs more than 100kg.
                Therefore, in Israel, this is done by technicians in the field:
                “I have not had a chance to change the spring, but we were told that this is not an easy task, although it’s probably more complicated with the torsion bar ... As far as I remember, the springs are changed only when necessary (perhaps once every couple of years), and as a rule, front or rear (since the central ones are less worn out) ”, - this is what another source told me:
                “The very fact that a member of the Merkava crew does not know the details of changing the spring suggests that the springs are much less likely to fail than torsion bars. I cannot find worthy words to describe how we suffered with torsion bars in the Golan and in Lebanon. If the crew of the Merkava can afford to rush over rocky terrain at full steam, then with Magakh it happens a little differently - the entire crew begs the driver to go more carefully and tensely listens to the sounds in the undercarriage, if there will be an "ominous click". When the tank is heavier (Magah-Batash), the torsion bars burst regularly. They were changed to reinforced ones with plastoresin coating, but they also burst. I cannot but recall that damned case when, due to a bursting torsion bar and some specific complications, we had to change the entire sloth in Lebanon at the gunpoint of all bearded individuals. Fortunately, then nothing happened ...
                Torsion bars are good for light tanks, like Russian ones, on non-rocky terrain, like in Europe. In these cases, the system works stably and rarely breaks down. I have not served on the Merkavas, but I have seen the springs change at the base a couple of times. This is a very simple operation, and springs rarely break. The only drawback is that the spring is very heavy and needs to be lifted with a (small) crane, so changing the spring in the field is difficult. However, there is a crane on the repair M113 and on the new repair vehicle based on the Merkava. "
                "Try to get to the spring in the Merkava without disassembling the entire side" why dismantle the board?
                "you unscrew the lid of the torsion bar to the hull, and inside the tank (YES WITH YOGA)" - is yoga needed to get under the engine or automatic loader?
                And yet again yes - "And yes, even a damaged spring can retain some performance"
                1. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 29 September 2020 17: 23
                  +1
                  I will say one thing. Arguing with a kosher is like running over the sea. The whole world is on torsion bars, and they have the most progressive springs.
                  For information, torsion bars serve on the T-72 from the factory and are changed only the next time at a repair plant. And the fact that the Israelites do not know how to do equipment on torsion bars is the problem of one Israel. The conversation is closed.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 29 September 2020 17: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: PROXOR
                    I will say one thing. Arguing with a kosher is like running over the sea.

                    About as something Ukrainian, then kosher ... but about you and Lermontov comes to mind .........
                    Quote: PROXOR
                    The conversation is closed.

                    Really closed - after all, the Jews bought torsion bars from the world's best manufacturers, as well as engines and guns ... And the Jewish army technicians have experience in repairing many samples of world technology. Therefore, they designed the tank for themselves and their conditions
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    .. In general, a narrow decommissioning of a tank in the theater ...
                    The meaning of this phrase is probably not given to everyone to understand - probably some kind of national trait interferes?
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 26 September 2020 07: 36
    +4
    Where in the desert is there so much metal .. what tanks to release ..?
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 26 September 2020 08: 08
      12
      Immigrants from the USSR, for 100 years, were smuggled out of bearings in their pockets.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 26 September 2020 13: 11
        +3
        Quote: Senka Mad
        Immigrants from the USSR, for 100 years,

        I understand your humor, but still only 69 years old. But the repatriates still had the audacity to hide something in their head that they could not expropriate.
      2. NOMADE
        NOMADE 26 September 2020 14: 30
        +2
        hi powerfully said, I respect the same) already made a screenshot))
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 26 September 2020 19: 01
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Where in the desert is there so much metal .. what tanks to release ..?

      duck Moses led the way ... request
  5. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 26 September 2020 08: 09
    +4
    As an anti-cumulative agent, chains with balls suspended in the lower part of the stern of the tower were used.

    It seems that chains with balls, which constantly swing when moving, serve to protect against hand grenades, since when a grenade is thrown under the tower, the chains throw them away.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 September 2020 12: 48
      +5
      Against RPGs and others))
  6. sevtrash
    sevtrash 26 September 2020 09: 14
    +1
    What is the percentage in the Merkava of its own developments, produced under license, not purchased under license?
    Probably, there are not many own developments. Probably few countries develop everything themselves. This is not a problem for Western countries, on the contrary, plus, you can purchase high-level components and create weapons of a modern level. Something like Lego - constructor. After all, not all countries are capable of producing advanced weapons components, and even given the possibilities of Western cooperation, this is not even necessary.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 26 September 2020 10: 45
      +9
      Quote: sevtrash
      What is the percentage in the Merkava of its own developments, produced under license,

      1 Development program of the "Merkava" tank The design work was headed by Major General Israel Tal, which is unusual for the world practice of tank building. Tal was not an engineer, but a combat officer, a participant in all the Arab-Israeli wars.
      2 Military industry - produces a 105 mm cannon (copy of the license) and a 120 mm cannon (original design), part of the armor and most of the ammunition (including live rounds, training ammunition and ammunition for small arms). While Mdocot produces. Both smoke grenades and tower supports.
      3 Ashot Ashkelon - racks, transmission of RK325 rank (copy of license), power unit assemblies and armor-piercing kinetic shells
      4 Elbit Systems - manufactures a fire control system and a ballistic computer, manufactures and installs a hunting system, a turret and gun stabilization system, a laser warning system, a commander's panoramic sight, a crew training simulator
      5 Tadiran - provides cabin air conditioning, intercom and radio equipment.
      6 El-Op, Elisra and Astronautics - are responsible for the optics and laser detectors of the enemy.
      7 Salty - internal mortar 60 mm ammunition
      8 Elbit Kinetics (a subsidiary of Elbit Systems) - NBC protection and air conditioning systems, auxiliary power unit (APU), fuel systems and engine sensors.
      9 Ordan Industries - supplies bath and tower castings.
      10 Raphael - Advanced Combat Systems - is responsible for the installation of a parallel machine gun (ROWS), controlled from the tank, and for the installation of an active protection system "windbreaker".
      11 Israeli aerospace industry

      Innocent factory - inertial navigation system.
      Elta - manufactures sensors and electronic optics in the infrared range.
      Vishay Israel / Vidco - a heat sleeve for a 120 mm industrial gun.
      Orlight Industries - Refractory ammunition containers.
      Tech-Mer - Intercom communication in the label
      Rada Electronic Industries - rear camera in Chariot Mark 4.
      Tagal SP Industries Ltd. Yokneam - Development and production of wheeled chassis ("Bugim") Mazkom .Safety section - rubber fuel tanks, self-sealing fuel tank

      And to close this question to the end
      Foreign companies supplying components for tank building
      L-3 Communication Combat Propulsion Systems - produces certified copies of the 883 horsepower MTU MT1500 diesel engine and RENK RK325 transmission.
      Motorola - Provides Tadiran communication encryption systems.
      DuPont - Provides nomex and flame retardant materials.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 26 September 2020 20: 40
        +2
        Impressive, a strong achievement for a small country. I read in Wiki that 28% of foreign parts.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 26 September 2020 21: 24
          +4
          Quote: sevtrash
          I read in Wiki that 28% of foreign parts.

          We know what Wiki is.
          That's why I put everything on the shelves. After the Yom Kippur War (by the way, tomorrow it will be 47 years old), Israel realized that it could only rely on itself.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 27 September 2020 10: 13
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            We know what Wiki is.
            That's why I put everything on the shelves. After the Yom Kippur War (by the way, tomorrow it will be 47 years old), Israel realized that it could only rely on itself

            Is it possible to find someone who doesn't know Vicki? We must try))
            Despite the impressive achievements of Israel in the military-technical aspect, US support, apparently, was decisive for the survival of the state.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 10: 23
              +1
              Quote: sevtrash
              Despite the impressive achievements of Israel in the military-technical aspect, US support, apparently, was determining the survival of the state.

              Today is 47 years since the beginning of the Yom Kippur War, which set a course for defense-industrial self-sufficiency. Over the following years, the country's industrial complex produced a full range of military equipment from everyday products to the most sophisticated science-intensive weapons. Imported weapons were replaced by locally produced systems.
              Read the history of the development of Israel's military industry.
              The relations of the United States were not always the same as they are now, and this does not mean that they will always be so.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 27 September 2020 10: 40
                -2
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                The relations of the United States were not always the same as they are now, and this does not mean that they will always be so.

                Aviation was a pillar of Israel's victories. You can talk about f4, f15, f16, or you can talk about the present and future - f35. No modern technology is possible without processors and US permits. So such relations with will always be, this is the guarantee of the existence of the future state.
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 11: 13
                  0
                  Quote: sevtrash
                  You can talk about f4, f15, f16, or you can talk about the present and future - f35. No modern technology is possible without processors and US approvals

                  But it needs to be serviced, parts and weapons are needed. Today, with a negative experience, Israel only buys what it receives permission for full self-service and changes, so that it will never again depend on the sentiment of the seller.
                  Quote: sevtrash
                  So such a relationship will always be

                  As I wrote earlier, they have not always been, that's why there is experience.
                  1. sevtrash
                    sevtrash 27 September 2020 11: 36
                    -3
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    As I wrote earlier, they have not always been, that's why there is experience.

                    Even China, the current economic giant, is sagging under the US. Another colossus, Germany, has almost been squeezed. What can we say about other countries. And Israel's life is equal to having good US relations. So I think caring for good relations with the United States and supporting the lobby is the main task of Israel's political establishment.
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 12: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: sevtrash
                      And Israel's life is equal to having good US relations.

                      As I wrote, during the Yom Kippur War, relations were very far from good, and only the threat of using nuclear weapons against the aggressors made the United States pay attention to Israel.
                      To have good relations with many countries, including the United States, is Israel's aspiration.
                      1. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 27 September 2020 13: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        As I wrote, during the Yom Kippur War, relations were very far from good, and only the threat of using nuclear weapons against the aggressors made the United States pay attention to Israel.
                        To have good relations with many countries, including the United States, is Israel's aspiration.

                        I don’t know why you don’t want to recognize the priority of Israel’s ties with the United States. This is completely obvious and not a secret. A vital connection for the economy, science, defense.
                        ... Israel leads in the total amount of aid received from the United States after World War II. In 2017, the country received $ 3,776 billion from the United States, including $ 3,175 billion for unspecified defense spending. In the early 2010s, the share of American aid in Israel's defense budget was up to 22% ...
                        It would not have been possible to have about 200 nuclear charges without the consent of the United States.
                      2. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 15: 41
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        I don’t know why you don’t want to recognize the priority of Israel’s ties with the United States.

                        I admit, but this is not the basis for the existence of the state of Israel. There were hard times when the US government was far from supportive looking back at Arab countries for fear of an oil boycott.
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        In 2017, the country received $ 3,776 billion from the United States, including $ 3,175 billion for unspecified defense spending.

                        Yes it is, but there is one BUT
                        For the purchase of weapons and the development of military programs USA only with the permission of the Congress.
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        In the early 2010s, the share of American aid in Israel's defense budget was up to 22% ...

                        But this not true here is the original
                        Second 10-Year Plan: Proposed US Military
                        2010 $ 2.77 billion
                        2011 $ 3.00 billion
                        2012-2018 $ 3.09 billion a year

                        Israel Military Spending / Defense Budget - Historical Data
                        Year Billions of US $
                        2010 $ 14.61B
                        Those 18%

                        But the GDP for 2010 is 1% and do you think that this is the amount that can affect the security of Israel?
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        It would not have been possible to have about 200 nuclear charges without the consent of the United States.

                        Despite persistent requests the Americans refused provide nuclear fuel and equipment that could be used in a nuclear weapons program, and in the second half of the 50s, France became the main source of materials and nuclear technology.
                        Read more
                        https://topwar.ru/143462-yadernyy-potencial-izrailya.html
                      3. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 27 September 2020 16: 56
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        But this is not true here is the original

                        Взял с Вики - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C#%D0%AD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8B
                        Actually, I do not see anything unusual here. The United States and Israel are partners and allies in the Middle East. As much as the USA wants, they give so much.
                      4. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 17: 33
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Took from Vicki -

                        Wikipedia articles can edit anyone who wants. The bulk of all editors are civilized people. They not only add new material, but also fix the consequences of incorrect editing by newbies, laymen, or malicious editors
                      5. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 27 September 2020 17: 54
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Anyone can edit Wikipedia articles. The bulk of all editors are civilized people. They not only add new material, but also fix the effects of incorrect editing by newbies, laymen or malicious editors.

                        There is a link there - Degterev D.A., Stepkin E.A. American aid to Israel: origins, structure, dynamics // Bulletin of MGIMO University. - 2013. - No. 3. - P. 92-99.
                        I don't think they are scammers))
                      6. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 18: 08
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        I don't think they are scammers)

                        No, that you and the propagandists on Russian TV are not scammers, but simply not honest people who shamelessly distort real events.
                        It is not for nothing that the Simonyan team was put on TV in Belarus,
                        the professionals of lying were fined £ 200000 for distorting reality.
                      7. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 27 September 2020 20: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        No, that you and the propagandists on Russian TV are not scammers, but simply not honest people who shamelessly distort real events.
                        It is not for nothing that the Simonyan team was put on TV in Belarus,
                        the professionals of lying were fined £ 200000 for distorting reality.

                        Distortion of reality, suppression of one thing, exaggeration of the other is a widely used method of influencing / modulating public opinion, extremely willingly used by the authorities and not only structures and used since ancient times, long before the Soviet and Russian ones. And very willingly by democratic countries. And you will find, if you wish, of course many samples in your own country.
                        The color of events in the media - white / black - is determined by the conformity of the interests of the state / community / nation to which this medium belongs, regardless of the universal values ​​of "good and evil". "Good" can turn out to be "evil" if it does not refer to the "right" country, community, nation.
                        And regarding the source - 2013, I really don't think there is any political bias towards Israel.
                      8. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 21: 26
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Distortion of reality, suppression of one, exaggeration of the other is a widely used method of influencing / modulating public opinion, extremely willingly used by the authorities

                        And I will add countries with a totalitarian regime.
                        I already wrote that the police opened all four criminal cases in Natanyahu after the journalists were published on TV.
                        And they published the records of interrogations.
                        Netanyahu claimed during the investigation that several lawyers and legal advisers to the government gave him the green light to receive gifts from close friends, because there was nothing illegal about it. “They were Weinrot and Shimron, or Weinstein. And maybe Mandelblit too - I don't remember ... I was always told that there are no problems here. " He had no written opinion from them. His lawyer, Weinroth, confirmed this. The government's legal advisers Weinstein and Mandelblit have denied.
                        Meshulam: did they set boundaries?
                        Netanyahu: no boundaries. If someone buys me a plane, I can understand that this is not allowed - but cigars and clothes? The answer is yes.
                        Meshulam: besides cigars, what else did you and your family get from Milchen?
                        Netanyahu: my family? Hard to say.
                        Investigators asked several additional questions on the same topic, until Netanyahu remembered that Milchen "sometimes brought bottles of champagne."
                        Meshulam: what kind of champagne?
                        Netanyahu: champagne ... I don't know.
                        Meshulam: to whom?
                        Netanyahu: my wife, us.
                        Meshulam: what does "bring" mean? Explain to us.
                        Netanyahu: well, I did. I dont know. I don't do this, but I know that from time to time he brought.
                        Meshulam: what does "from time to time" mean?
                        Netanyahu: ask him, I don't know for sure.
                        Meshulam insisted and in the end Netanyahu said, "Every few months."
                        And so on.
                        Not overseas accounts, not palaces and estates, not missing trillions.
                        So when will you read this about your leaders in your media?
                      9. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 27 September 2020 22: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        So when will you read this about your leaders in your media?

                        I agree, of course. But the media of your country have borders, the Arab Holocaust is hardly a popular topic, as is the discussion of the peculiarities of the hunt for terrorists around the world after Munich or the consequences of air strikes on Lebanon. Jewish nationalism is probably the most cherished and protected of all.
                        The happiness of some is built on the unhappiness of others. Is not it?
                      10. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 28 September 2020 07: 34
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Is not it?

                        No, it's not true.
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        But the media of your country also have borders,

                        Only one border, in the matter of the country's security.
                        There are NO other boundaries!
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        hardly arabian disaster popular topic

                        And about this in more detail.
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Disaster is a popular topic

                        This is not a topic. This is the memory of the millions killed and tortured. And the guarantee that this will never happen again.
                      11. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 28 September 2020 15: 09
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        And about this in more detail.

                        The Arab-Israeli War of 1947-1949 is a war between the Jewish population of Palestine, and later - the newly created State of Israel - and the armies of neighboring Arab states and irregular Arab military formations. In Israel it is called the "War of Independence" (Hebrew מלחמת העצמאות [milchemet haatsmaut]), and in Arab countries and among the Palestinians this war is known as the "Catastrophe" (Arabic: النكبة [Nakba]).
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Only one border, in the matter of the country's security.
                        There are NO other boundaries!

                        If you had a question about the Arab Holocaust, does it mean there are restrictions on this term? Safety?
                      12. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 28 September 2020 16: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Arab-Israeli war 1947-1949 - war between the Jewish population of Palestine

                        Strange, there is no USSR, no Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but the lie remains.
                        I already wrote that Vicki is far from the best source of truth.
                        Very briefly, as much as possible.
                        UN General Assembly of November 29, 1947 on the division of mandated Palestine into two independent states (Jewish and Arab)
                        On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the creation of an independent Jewish state The very next day, the troops of five members of the League of Arab States (Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan) began hostilities against the State of Israel, in order to prevent the partition of Palestine and the existence of an independent Jewish state. In the Arab countries and among the Arabs, this war is known as the "Catastrophe" (Arabic: النكبة [Nakba]) and is celebrated on May 15th.
                        And in the future, for information, everyone who lived in the mandated Palestine, Jews, Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, Circassians, they were all called Palestinians, and since the Arabs did not agree with the division into two states, they remained to call themselves Palestinians, but they Arabs
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        If you had a question about the Arab Holocaust, does it mean there are restrictions on this term? Safety?

                        You either misunderstood me or you misinterpret me.
                        Restrictions on publications in the media on issues related to the country's security, without the permission of the relevant authorities.
                        And nagba, this is another demonstration that takes place in Israel almost every day
                        and it interests the protesters themselves less and less.

                        The Arabs of Haifa celebrate the day of the "Nagba" - the catastrophe of the Arab people, which occurred as a result of the formation of the State of Israel. Notice they are all Israelis, but they are waving PLO flags and nobody cares.
                      13. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 28 September 2020 19: 40
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Strange, there is no USSR, no Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but the lie remains.

                        Yes, not a lie, but its own truth. The Israelis have theirs and the Arabs have theirs. From which place to which place to look. Everything in philosophy - the truth is unattainable.
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        I already wrote that Vicki is far from the best source of truth.

                        First, there is no truth (see the truth above), more precisely, each has its own, it is the most correct. Secondly, wiki is a wonderful thing, it gives basic information based on which you can google. Not to mention the fact that in different languages ​​there may be different information. Already and so can be compared.
                      14. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 28 September 2020 19: 53
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Yes, not a lie, but its own truth.

                        The truth is she is always one, and everything else is FALSE.
                        The truth is confirmed by official documents, and the lies from each mouth are different and not like the previous one.
                      15. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 28 September 2020 20: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        The truth is she is always one, and everything else is FALSE.
                        The truth is confirmed by official documents, and the lies from each mouth are different and not like the previous one.

                        Yes, you are an idealist! Dangerous man))
                      16. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 28 September 2020 21: 39
                        0
                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Yes, you are an idealist! Dangerous man))

                        You are exaggerating, I look at the world without any colored glasses and see it as it is. And not dangerous at all, but I don't respect it when they try to make me a "Chinese dummy"
  7. sevtrash
    sevtrash 27 September 2020 17: 01
    -2
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    But this is 2010% of GDP for 1, and do you think that this is the amount that can affect the security of Israel?

    It is unlikely that all the help is disclosed, and there are, probably, indirect subsidies. Well, in general, US support can hardly be overestimated
  8. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 17: 57
    +1
    Quote: sevtrash
    and there are probably indirect subsidies.

    I understand your train of thought.
    There are private donations to the soldiers, which are recorded, but there is no article "Heavy Engineering" where you can hide whatever you want.
    And for any illegal actions, a court threatens, the example of Natanyahu.
  • Firelake
    Firelake 28 September 2020 08: 33
    +1
    Israel itself knows how to do electronics. In general, the F35i was recognized as the most efficient in the Senate. And he has much that is Israeli.
  • musketon64
    musketon64 27 September 2020 11: 10
    -1
    And in order to completely close this issue, it would not be bad to mention how many percent the products of the above companies consist of, and how many percent of imported components. Is Israel able to independently organize the production of components "inside and out" by means of its own industry? Well, for example, the entire line of radio components, all kinds of matrices and all kinds of sensors, etc., etc. for their REO systems. I'm not talking about everything else. Somehow I don't really believe in Israel's self-sufficiency in this matter.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: musketone64
      Well, for example, the entire line of radio components, all kinds of matrices and all kinds of sensors, etc., etc. for their REO systems

      Yes, everything is in Israel.
      Gavish
      Production of sapphire and other crystalline materials for use in semiconductor processing equipment, analytical and medical laser and optical applications.
      Intel Electronics
      Development and production of Intel Pentium microprocessors.
      Modem Art
      Fabless semiconductor company specializes in system-on-chip solutions for broadband and broadband communications systems.
      NeoMagic
      Multimedia (graphics, video and audio) chips for portable devices with low power consumption, such as cell phones, PDAs, portable games. The MiMagic System-on-Chip (SOC) architecture combines RISC processor, memory, multimedia hardware and I / O functionality.
      Rachip
      Chip development, ASIC / FPGA design and validation using Specman eRM, System Verilog OVM / VMM, Verilog / Vhdl. Experience with protocols: SONET-SDH, WUSB, UWB, GPON, ATM, HDLC, Ethernet, PCI, PCIExprss2, AHB, USB, SPI4, ARM, SD, SDIO, SMIA.
      I think that's enough.
      If you are interested.
      https://www.science.co.il/companies/Electronics.php
      Gugel translator will help you.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 28 September 2020 16: 51
        -3
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Intel Electronics
        Development and production of Intel Pentium microprocessors.

        ABOUT HOW! And I naively thought that this company from Silicon Valley lives and works in the USA. And then it turns out that all lies.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 28 September 2020 18: 51
          +1
          Quote: PROXOR
          And then it turns out that all lies.

          Well, why just lie, there is their own, but in Israel theirs. During the Soviet era, even from the refrigerator it was heard that Israel was the aggressor, today everything has changed, but the whole truth is not always announced.
          For information
          Intel Israel began operations in 1974 and is the center of development and production of Intel Corporation. As a leading technology company in Israel and worldwide, Intel develops and manufactures integrated and connected digital technologies and computing platforms. Although Intel is primarily known for developing semiconductors, we do a lot more. In recent years, we have grown from a company primarily serving the personal computer industry to a company that operates the largest data centers in the world, connects millions of mobile installations and IoT devices, and secures information systems for organizations and governments.
          Intel Haifa: Processor and AI Hardware and Software Development Center
          Intel Petah Tikvah: Center for the development of solutions for communications and artificial intelligence
          Intel Jerusalem: The Global Development Center for Autonomous Vehicles (Mobileye); Center for Development of Solutions for Communications, Software and Cybersecurity
          Intel Kiryat Gat: Intel's most modern manufacturing facility
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 29 September 2020 12: 11
            -3
            During the Soviet era, it was thanks to the USSR that the state of Israel appeared. As for the political information, it was not far from the truth. The State of Israel introduced itself ... and now it behaves sometimes worse than Nazi Germany. THERE IS NO MORE SCARY SUPERVISOR THAN A RELEASED SLAVE!

            As for Intel in Israel, I will repeat myself. American firm. And the Intel office in Israel is just an Intel office.

            Russia does not yell at every step that Boeing is a Russian company, although it was the Boeing Moscow Designer Center that developed and brought the Boeing 787 Dreamliner to the assembly stage.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 29 September 2020 18: 02
              0
              Quote: PROXOR
              During the Soviet era, it was thanks to the USSR that the state of Israel appeared

              1917 Balfour Declaration - Official Letter dated November 2, 1917 (TEXT FIND YOURSELF)
              On April 24, 1920, at a conference in San Remo, the "Balfour Declaration" was approved as the basis for a post-war settlement in Palestine, and on July 24, 1922, it was included in the text of Britain's mandate to govern Palestine. approved by the Nazi League
              The second session of its General Assembly on November 29, 1947 adopted a plan for the partition of Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181). Voted 20 out of 34 if the USSR had not voted WOULD BE 19 WELL AND WHAT?
              Quote: PROXOR
              The State of Israel introduced itself ... and now it behaves sometimes worse than Nazi Germany.


              Did you find yourself in the photo?
              Please next time think that you are not writing an anti-Israel rally!


              Haji Amin al-Husseini told Hitler: 'If you send them out, they will all come here (to Palestine).' - 'So what am I supposed to do with them?' - asked the Fuhrer. 'Burn them!' - answered the mufti. "
              LAS General Secretary Azzam Pasha made it clear to the Jewish envoys that there would be no peaceful partition of Palestine and that they would have to defend their right to any part of Palestinian territory with arms in hand. In October 1947, he stated:
              ... it will be war of annihilation, a lightning massacre that will be remembered in the same way as the massacre of the Mongols or the Crusades
              On May 4, the Syrian Information Minister said:
              (this battle will be) continued with more serious battles, until Palestine is liberated and the Zionist presence is over.
              Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, (daddy goose) on the need to dump the Jews into the sea, said:
              Our forces are now fully prepared not only to repel aggression, but also to begin the process of liberation, to the destruction of the Zionist presence on Arab soil. The Syrian army has a finger on the trigger…. As a military man, I am confident that the time has come to join the war of destruction.
              Here they are fascists!
              Quote: PROXOR
              Russia does not yell at every step that Boeing is a Russian company,

              There are such firms in Israel, but they are not Israeli, so I did not include them, this is Microsoft and Apple, they, like Boeing, will rise and fly tomorrow. And INTEL is just a purchased name and the company is completely Israeli, since 1974
              1. PROXOR
                PROXOR 30 September 2020 10: 07
                -3
                Another one who does not remember kinship. IN THE TOPKY YOU. Prove something like that, do not respect yourself. Oh, in vain, Joseph Vissarionovich harnessed himself to poor Jews forcing through the UN the idea of ​​creating an independent state of Israel.
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Did you find yourself in the photo?
                Please next time think that you are not writing an anti-Israel rally!

                I think constantly and recommend it to you.
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, (daddy goose) on the need to dump the Jews into the sea, said:
                Our forces are now fully prepared not only to repel aggression, but also to begin the process of liberation, to destroy the Zionist presence on Arab soil. The Syrian army holds a finger on the trigger .... As a military man, I am sure that the time has come to enter the war of annihilation.
                Here they are fascists!

                Well, soon you do show off, they will definitely drown you. Would you try so brazenly shelling and bombing Russia. Instantly they would have grabbed you in the teeth. Either "Moisha" flies to Moscow every time Russian troops come under fire due to bombing.
                1. Vladimir Rostovsky
                  Vladimir Rostovsky 30 September 2020 11: 43
                  +2
                  Well, here's how not to cite my old comment under this discussion "I read the Israelis - very interesting thoughts that make you think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without getting personal. I read their opponents - hurray patriotism from all the cracks, the transition to personalities, xenophobia, hatred, calls for violence, etc. etc. You guys look ridiculous! "
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 30 September 2020 13: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky
                    “I read Israelis - very interesting thoughts that make you think and rethink something for yourself, a lot of things can be learned for general development and everything culturally without becoming personal.

                    Thank you!
                    Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky
                    I read their opponents - hurray patriotism from all cracks, the transition to personalities,

                    You know, I believe that they are not to blame.
                    Until 2014, there were a lot of literate journalists in the media. But time changed and there was a demand for propagandists. Some of the journalists did not want to engage in propaganda, while the other decided that money did not smell. And from the TV screens to those who express the opposite opinion, insults are rushed, and sometimes a scuffle.
                    And PROKHOR (Sergey) sits and people like him think THAT is how simple everything is, you don’t need to read anything, know, and you don’t need to be just a cultured person, and when there is no evidence, insults and hands are used.
                    Listen to this!
                    After all, if the stars are lit -
                    means - it is necessary for someone?
                    So - someone wants them to be?
                    So - someone calls these spit
                    pearl? (with)

  • Free wind
    Free wind 27 September 2020 20: 19
    -1
    Kamaz loudly shouts about the new model of the decommissioned Mercedes.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 28 September 2020 16: 52
      -2
      Another. Well, how can you tell us what model Mercedes is producing now instead of K5.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 26 September 2020 10: 15
    +4
    The best tank in the plug-in is protected by the crew, in terms of firing systems, with its own ammunition. And in terms of design, it is a cut above all competitors, which weigh in the 60+ ton area. The tank is simply handsome.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 27 September 2020 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Oquzyurd
      The best tank in the plug-in is protected by the crew, in terms of firing systems, with its own ammunition. And in terms of design, it is a cut above all competitors, which weigh in the 60+ ton area. The tank is simply handsome.

      It does well, of course. But, it seems like, from the side projections, the protection is relatively worse than the classic placement of the crew, the spring suspension reduces the firing accuracy on the move. A comparative analysis is required at the level of professional knowledge. Overall, the Leopard is considered the best. Although he did not fight like Abrams and Merkava. But in international competitions the Leopard has shown itself brilliantly.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 September 2020 11: 06
    +6
    Judging by a number of signs, it can be argued with a reasonable degree of certainty that "Merkava for Singapore" is nothing more than a journalistic duck.
    For the six years since the publication of this "news" the tank plant in Tel Hashomer has not increased its production capacity and has not recruited workers in any really significant number.
    Since 2016, everything there has been tightly occupied by a planned state order for the supply of a heavy armored personnel carrier "NAMER" to the troops based on the "Merkava 4". So, in the near foreseeable future, they are fully provided with work.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 September 2020 18: 22
      +4
      And why does Singapore need tanks ... well, really ... some kind of muddy story, maybe you should really see China behind Singapore? Who knows ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 September 2020 21: 15
        +1
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        And why does Singapore need tanks ... well, really ... some kind of muddy story, maybe you should really see China behind Singapore? Who knows ...

        Singapore has very large and envious neighbors. Tanks will not interfere with him
        1. WILL
          WILL 26 September 2020 21: 57
          +1
          Welcome hi Albert! The entire territory of Singapore is 725 sq km. In fact, this is a large metropolis. Where will they place these Tanks, and how many pieces they can place! laughing especially since they (Singapore) have two hundred Leo 2. I honestly don't understand why. request
          I think really information from an unreliable source.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 September 2020 23: 17
            0
            Greetings! hi how for what - a mobile firing point laughing the task of the Singaporeans in the event of an invasion of the Malaysians or the Indonesians is to hold out until the help of the Amers or the Chinese, and then the intervention of the international community))
            In addition, as the events on Tian an Myn Square have shown, it is the best means of suppressing mass student demonstrations. fellow
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 27 September 2020 09: 01
              +2
              Well, if you press students, yes ... a thing!))
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 27 September 2020 09: 33
            +4
            Quote: ANIMAL
            Greetings to Albert! The entire territory of Singapore is 725 sq km. In fact, this is a large metropolis. Where will they place these Tanks, and how many pieces they can place! especially since they (Singapore) have two hundred Leo 2.

            that is, they had 200 Leo's where to put it, and they couldn't even fit a couple of our chariots.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 September 2020 11: 25
    +4
    As for further developments, including in the field of Israeli tank building, I already wrote about this on VO several years ago in my article "The Israeli Defense Ministry presented weapons for a future war."
    1. Gust
      Gust 26 September 2020 18: 25
      +2
      Well, there is no unity here ... someone says that tanks are cutting and cutting, that this is a "dead end". Someone, on the contrary, presents new developments.
  • WeAreNumerOne
    WeAreNumerOne 26 September 2020 13: 03
    +8
    Nevertheless, Israel has not lost a single war and is surviving, moreover, I would say even living well in a completely hostile environment.
    We would have Israeli salaries, social security, hospitals.
    And then, of course, such citizens as Vecherny have long been repatriated.
    1. alien308
      alien308 26 September 2020 22: 31
      -1
      Citizens from their fertile historical homeland are returning for some reason. Including who grew up there. And they work for our salary. It should be said that those whom I know of such no, no inner strength, no abilities. It was very difficult for them in a competitive society.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 08: 54
        +5
        Quote: alien308
        Citizens from their fertile historical homeland are returning for some reason.

        They do not return only from the other world.
        Quote: alien308
        And they work for our salary.

        So you yourself answered it.
        those I know are none, no inner strength, no ability.
        In general, it looks rather strange.
        A young man who grew up in Israel who no, no inner strength, no ability leaves Israel and travels to another country, with a different language, mentality and work for our salary... This is about $ 500-600
        Staying at home, he goes to a bank, a shopping center as a security guard and receives $ 1700.
        After 6 months, he got tired of working and he receives an allowance of 70% of his salary of $ 1100 until June 2021. And he is a young man who lives with a family.
        What is he looking for in a distant country?
        What did he throw in his native land? ... (c)
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 27 September 2020 10: 21
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          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          What is he looking for in a distant country?
          What did he throw in his native land? ... (c)

          Himself, perhaps. Money is great, but finding your place in life may be more important. Not always, of course))
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 10: 50
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            Quote: sevtrash
            Himself, perhaps. Money is wonderfulbut finding your place in life may be more important. Not always, of course))

            Everything is correct that you wrote about money, it is not only wonderful but also the main thing.
            But the search for life and comparison, the Israelis do after the army, again receiving money after service. And this does not happen in Europe, but in South Asia and South America. But after half a year, they return to Israel, having understood the meaning of life.
            There is another option. I described it below.
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 27 September 2020 09: 37
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        Quote: alien308
        Citizens from their fertile historical homeland are returning for some reason. Including who grew up there. And they work for our salary. It should be said that those whom I know of such no, no inner strength, no abilities. It was very difficult for them in a competitive society.

        you would give a couple of examples with history. and then somehow it turns out vaguely.
        one might think that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are fleeing from Israel to Russia.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 27 September 2020 10: 36
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          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          you would give a couple of examples with history. and then somehow it turns out vaguely.
          one might think that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are fleeing from Israel to Russia.

          I admit that there could be some cases.
          In the years when the dollar in Russia was 27-30 rubles. many Israelis have opened various businesses in Russia, but when the situation is the opposite today, so as not to lose the business at all, they try to survive and settle down somewhere. It is clear that they are not there, but at least there is some money.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 27 September 2020 11: 46
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            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            I admit that there could be some cases.

            I admit it too. I generally admit that all conceivable and inconceivable things happen in our world. Moreover, I know of such cases. at least Krasnodar :)
            but a little specifics have not killed anyone yet. I think so.
            1. alien308
              alien308 27 September 2020 15: 20
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              Unfortunately, I cannot describe in detail, since it is not good to spread recognizably about specific people. People are not in business, they just work, without fire, without significant returns. For a typical non-Moscow salary. There are of course some benefits of dual citizenship. I was as surprised as you. Certainly not millions. In comparison with those who left, there are probably isolated cases. Maybe they did not take root in the country, maybe there are medical contraindications for the climate. The constant state of war with neighbors is also not sugar.
              1. alien308
                alien308 27 September 2020 15: 34
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                Perhaps when they left the USSR, some important elements of the mentality had already taken shape. Also the influence of the family. As a result, a rejection of the way of life, mentality, language could be formed. Which is strange. Adaptation capabilities up to 7-8 years old are high.
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 27 September 2020 15: 34
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                Quote: alien308
                Maybe they did not take root in the country, maybe there are medical contraindications for the climate. The constant state of war with neighbors is also not sugar.

                yes, people are different. one is not good for another.
        2. musketon64
          musketon64 27 September 2020 23: 00
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          Dmitry Puchkov (Intelligence poll): "Ravid Gore about the return home" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4L_6iFNEQ&t=2259s&ab_channel=DmitryPuchkov
  • Cer59
    Cer59 27 September 2020 19: 35
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    the tank is intended for use only in a limited area