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Nziv: Israel sent a list of weapons to the United States as compensation for the peace agreement with the UAE

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Nziv: Israel sent a list of weapons to the United States as compensation for the peace agreement with the UAE

The Israeli information portal Nziv comes out with material, which informs about a kind of compensation by Israel for the deal offered by the United States - when the state agreed to an agreement with some Arab countries. It is primarily about the restoration of diplomatic relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, which was promoted by Washington. Subsequently, Israel came to an agreement with Qatar and Bahrain.


If you believe the journalists of Nziv, now the conversation is about "compensation for the deal to sign peace agreements with Arab countries" - in the form of buying American weapons, which the United States did not supply Israel for various reasons. The article states that Israel has already sent to the United States a list of weapons that it would like to receive from them.

The list includes such weapons and military equipment as Bell V-22 Osprey tiltrotors, Boeing KC-46 Pegasus tanker aircraft and so-called "smart bombs" (their specific modification is not indicated in the press).

It is claimed that the total amount of weapons that Israel would like to receive from the United States is estimated at $ 8 billion. At the same time, as noted, we are not talking about gratuitous supplies - Israel intends to buy them, which supposedly will become "compensation".

If this is true, and if Israel intends to acquire the American weapon for an impressive amount, then for the United States, the results of Israel's deal with the same UAE are an excellent result, at least from the point of view of realizing business interests. Whether the deal will lead to lasting peace in the Middle East is still an open question.
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 21 September 2020 16: 21
    +3
    Rather a reward.
    What costs did the USA have to go to to conclude these agreements?
    This agreement is already a welcome trophy for the current US administration ahead of the election campaign.
    The agreement on the acquisition of additional weapons is also an act of electoral support for Trump.
    Actually, this can be seen as interference in the American elections. laughing
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 21 September 2020 16: 29
      +4
      Each year, the United States donates weapons worth 3 lard dollars. Another purchase, no more. For several years there has been a conversation about this weapon.
    2. Civil
      Civil 21 September 2020 19: 03
      -3
      Arabs are not the same ... rags
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 September 2020 16: 25
    +8
    First you need to get transport helicopters, which are already so old that they fall apart on the fly. Then the tankers.
    And for the rest - Osprey.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 21 September 2020 16: 31
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      get transport helicopters

      Osprey will not partially replace them?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 September 2020 16: 56
        +6
        Not. Osprey is almost airplane speed and airplane distance. To quickly transfer special forces far away.
        And transport helicopters - camels - for the current tasks of the transfer of troops.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 21 September 2020 17: 56
          0
          hmm, your logic is strange, there are two aircraft, the second aircraft spends less fuel per unit of path, flies farther and faster, and therefore it is worse than the first? fool
          So, helicopters are better than tiltrotors with a main rotor in the area of ​​ultra-low-altitude maneuvering, in the hovering area and in the area of ​​descent / ascent. All these advantages are needed for assault / strike \ etc aircraft, but for transport aircraft it is not particularly necessary, and therefore tiltrotors in general and osprey in particular quite successfully replace a transport helicopter, another thing is that osprey as the first serial tiltrotor has a bunch of problems and several drawbacks that suck its developers decide / compensate, but the lack of competition as an incentive for development is more to blame ...
          1. dauria
            dauria 21 September 2020 20: 10
            0
            hmm, your logic is strange, there are two aircraft, the second aircraft spends less fuel per unit of path, flies farther and faster, and therefore it is worse than the first?

            Normal human logic. In addition to kerosene, Osprey consumes a resource. And proceed from this. It may well turn out that an hour of flight of a tiltrotor is much more expensive than a helicopter.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 21 September 2020 20: 24
              -1
              oga, and the "resource" is precisely the problems and disadvantages I have voiced about the spray (namely the spray, not the tiltrotors), take the fuselage of the same spray, put on it helicopter engines from mi8 \ mi26 and with the same filters, as a result we get about the same "resource" ... And then every time the couch and official "experts" (in quotation marks) sometimes praise some of them, then some others, but at the same time neither one nor the other during the comparison even try to lead to a common denominator ...
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 21 September 2020 16: 36
      +1
      Is it possible to buy helicopters only from the USA? And buy a license and collect on IAI?
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 21 September 2020 16: 45
        0
        They just took it and sold it? And lose the fat? Americans of course lately, but not so much
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 September 2020 17: 01
        +9
        Somehow there was no talk about it. recourse
        Israel is going to buy "super-stallions" - heavy and stuffed with avionics machines. We cannot assemble these ourselves.
        Here are the devices and weapon systems for them - we can.
        And it is planned to install both lasers and explosive rockets on them. New generation.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 21 September 2020 17: 14
          0
          Then wait for the "royal stallions". But you don't need a lot of them. Is it possible that the company that produces the missiles will not master the licensed assembly of the helicopter.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 September 2020 18: 15
          -1
          hi
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israel is going to buy "super-stallions" - heavy and stuffed with avionics machines. We cannot assemble these ourselves.

          In the Soviet Union and Russia, you know how to develop and assemble, how you leave for a historical one - do you immediately lose the skill? You are telling lies to your people, Alexey. No irony, quite seriously. I have been to defense factories, I saw that in the KB works.
          1. Private-K
            Private-K 22 September 2020 06: 36
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            if you leave - do you immediately lose the skill?

            It's very simple: despite the fact that it seems to some the Jews there are a lot of them, in fact, very little... They are simply not enough quantitatively to master the full production cycles. And it is simply inexpedient to maintain many production facilities for Israel.
            And look at the territory of Israel by satellite - there is nowhere to hide.
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 21 September 2020 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: Undecim
        Is it possible to buy helicopters only from the USA? And buy a license and collect on IAI?

        It will be much more expensive.
    3. Abdula
      Abdula 21 September 2020 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      First you need to get transport helicopters, which are already so old that they fall apart on the fly. Then the tankers.
      And for the rest - Osprey.

      I agree, stupid Israelis who have never fought and do not know a lot about weapons do not understand what to buy well, just like Jimi acha acha
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 21 September 2020 18: 20
      -2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      First you need to get transport helicopters, which are already so old that they fall apart on the fly.

      You already have a UH-60 Black Hawk in the S-70A version, CH-53K King Stallion, and what is not the Mi-26T is clean, and then hang what you need there yourself (although you have a "seahorse", you do not need to relearn ) ...
      1. Private-K
        Private-K 22 September 2020 06: 39
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        and what is not the Mi-26T

        Buying exactly American military equipment, Israelis receive a discount and the cost is partially paid by the US state from its bottomless pocket. Otherwise, of course, we would buy more practical French or Italian helicopters.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 21 September 2020 16: 28
    +2
    The Jews are cunning, but not indefinitely ...
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 September 2020 16: 30
    0
    As compensation for the peace agreement with the UAE, Israel sent the US a list of weapons to acquire
    Well, sho the US needs to demand a similar list from the UAE. request
  5. Katanikotael
    Katanikotael 21 September 2020 16: 33
    +1
    You made it up? Here's a weapon as a reward! Is this preparation for the impending war?
  6. avib
    avib 21 September 2020 16: 39
    +5
    Quite the opposite - the UAE will have the opportunity to purchase weapons from the United States, the sale of which was previously blocked by Israel - in particular, F35 aircraft. This is sooooo beneficial for the United States.
  7. Gavrohs
    Gavrohs 21 September 2020 16: 40
    +4
    the so-called "smart bombs" (their specific modification is not indicated in the press).
    Is it true whether Israel is self-sufficient in this plan though ......
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 September 2020 17: 09
      11
      Our problem is not development - there are such bombs, but to produce them in large quantities. Small batch - high prime cost. And the States have factories, a stream. The price per unit is much cheaper. It is more profitable to buy.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 September 2020 17: 24
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Small batch - high prime cost. And the States have factories, a stream.

        Quote: voyaka uh
        Small batch - high prime cost. And the States have factories, a stream.

        Why don't you build your own factory for your missiles? It seems that you spend it regularly in Syria, so there is demand.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 September 2020 17: 31
          +3
          I told you above: the production of our "smart bombs" is, but in small batches. It is more profitable to buy an American analogue for half the price in a large batch and store it. In case of a major war.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 21 September 2020 17: 36
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            In case of a major war.

            In the event of a major war, weapons are adapted "for themselves" and their capabilities. On the contrary, only diots or financially interested saboteurs do.
            1. borberd
              borberd 22 September 2020 12: 50
              0
              Israel has critical counterparts for many munitions. But it is much more profitable to buy them on the side, because the cost is much cheaper than producing them yourself. A relatively recent case - When, during another turmoil in Gaza, Obama ordered to stop the supply of "hellfires" for Israeli helicopters. Israel immediately organized the production of its counterpart on its territory. And Obama, who tried to put pressure on Israel, was blown away like an old New Year's ball.
              1. KVU-NSVD
                KVU-NSVD 22 September 2020 12: 59
                +1
                Quote: borberd
                And Obama, who tried to put pressure on Israel, was blown away like an old New Year's ball.

                Straight from the organization of the production of missiles took and blown away? I do not believe it .. too small for a president of a superpower. Most likely, the Jewish lobby settled everything quietly ..
                1. borberd
                  borberd 22 September 2020 13: 21
                  0
                  He wanted to quietly play a trick, arrange a small embargo, then to put pressure on and set his own conditions. But he was bypassed. The lobby probably also did not stand aside. And it is quite possible that not exactly AIPAK, but also the lobby of weapons manufacturers.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 September 2020 18: 33
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Our problem is not development - there are such bombs,

        the problem is in the territory where these factories can be located, so that:
        but produce them in large quantities

        namely, she is not enough to protect her from all sorts of misfortunes ...
  8. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 21 September 2020 16: 42
    +2
    And who owes whom to whom? request laughing
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 21 September 2020 16: 46
      0
      Everyone owes Israel lol
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 21 September 2020 16: 55
        +6
        Quote: K-612-O
        Everyone owes Israel

        - Sarochka, does your Izya fulfill his conjugal duty in bed?
        - Performs? Oh, I beg you! He only drives himself into new debts there!
    2. HAM
      HAM 21 September 2020 16: 48
      0
      The whole world owes the USA .... what is incomprehensible here !? drinks
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 September 2020 17: 26
        +2
        For many, it is not clear why the dollar is in the stash, and the debt is in the Fed.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 September 2020 22: 13
        -1
        Quote: HAM
        The whole world owes the USA ....

        Here is a special case. yes
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 September 2020 16: 53
    -1
    For its own money and for American 3 billion / per year, Israel would have bought it anyway ... here either for free, or urgently and the entire volume is out of turn.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 21 September 2020 17: 03
    +1
    Well done Jews, they bargained for themselves some weapons from the Americans. They exchanged weapons for the world. But something says that it was not in vain that they asked for weapons ........................
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 September 2020 17: 15
      -1
      Living in the Middle East, they should have asked the Americans to build ... a hydroelectric power station on the Jordan River, for example laughing
      1. fider
        fider 21 September 2020 17: 30
        -3
        Krasnodar

        Living in the Middle East, they should have asked the Americans to build ... a hydroelectric power station on the Jordan River, for example

        It's easier to build a hydroelectric power station on the flow of your saliva.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 September 2020 08: 04
          -2
          It's good that not on my other secretions lol
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 September 2020 18: 36
        -1
        Quote: APASUS
        Well done Jews, they bargained for themselves some weapons from the Americans. They exchanged weapons for the world. But something says that it was not in vain that they asked for weapons ........................

        And everything goes to the fact that the massacre will begin soon, but this is the question - local or global ...
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Living in the Middle East, they should have asked the Americans to build ... a hydroelectric power station on the Jordan River, for example laughing

        what would it be buried at the very beginning of construction?
    2. Danila46
      Danila46 21 September 2020 17: 52
      +2
      and Israel doesn't need anything else from the United States. Everything else is in Israel, and what is not, is bought for cheaper elsewhere ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 22 September 2020 08: 03
        0
        But if you are given 3 billion dollars a year ... what not to take?
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 22 September 2020 14: 28
          -1
          Lard 3,8 to be precise. But! We are obliged to spend 95% of this amount in the US military-industrial complex, and not at all at cheap prices. Who's in the black here? Only the USA, because Israel cannot develop its military-industrial complex in full, and the Americans make money on this not badly. For Israel, I believe, it is not a good deal at all, given that this amount ($ 3,8 lard) is only 10% of the country's military budget, and without this "help" Israel would only have won ....
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 22 September 2020 17: 11
            0
            Ie. The USA gives 3.9 billion and asks you to buy American weapons with this money and the USA is profitable? By the way, this was introduced relatively recently. And in ordering F35A, the Jews still fit in.
            1. Danila46
              Danila46 23 September 2020 19: 41
              0
              does not ask, requires. This is the first thing. Secondly, for example, the Hellfire missile. It costs about one-third more for Israel than for NATO troops. Not profitable ???
              In the third f-35i. Israel has taken and is taking a direct part in the creation and modernization of this fighter. And the abbreviation "i" means that this machine has nothing in common with other modifications of this machine except fusion, engine and stealth ....
              And your "fit" here does not fit at all. Rather, we cooperated.
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  11. askort154
    askort154 21 September 2020 17: 22
    +4
    It is claimed that the total amount of weapons that Israel would like to receive from the United States is estimated at $ 8 billion. At the same time, as noted, we are not talking about gratuitous supplies - Israel intends to buy them, which supposedly will become "compensation".

    What a mess! Israel receives annually from the United States - 3,8 billion. But "wants" to get 8 billion. Together they find a "solution" - "world agreement" between Israel and the UAE, killing more than two birds with one stone:
    - Trump, on the "straight" in the election race, organized a super
    world
    deal, "reconciling" the Arabs with the Jews (already a contender for the
    Nobel)
    - significantly increases the status of Israel and the UAE in the BV,
    - "flattered" UAE, easily pay 8 billion for Israel, in their desire
    buy American weapons from the United States.
    - Israel gets weapons for free.
    - The US gets 8 billion (free).
    - Trump is running for a second term.
    Here's a "noodle" is obtained in "Jewish-Trump" way! good
    1. fider
      fider 21 September 2020 17: 33
      +4
      askort154
      I beg of you - count the money in your pocket, then you will have no more money.
      1. askort154
        askort154 21 September 2020 18: 07
        +1
        fider
        I beg of you - count the money in your pocket, then you will have no more money.

        If you go not to the discussion of the article, but to the individual, then I'll tell you, dear man, I have earned money in my pocket, much more than noodles on "the ears of the master" - fider "! yes hi
    2. Danila46
      Danila46 21 September 2020 17: 57
      -1
      if your surname is "Umnov", then you are in the Kremlin.
      Almost everyone is like that, even He ..........
      You will have fun!
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 September 2020 21: 22
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Here's a "noodle" is obtained in "Jewish-Trump" way!

      No, "noodles" are completely different, everything that you are discussing is worth 3 kopecks.
      Take a look at a map of the modern Middle East. Israel has outplayed Iran what it cannot do in Syria, Israel has done under its nose and this is just the beginning.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 22 September 2020 08: 09
        0
        Outplayed or not outplayed ... Iran has two things that the Arabs and the rest do not already have:
        1. Growing own population
        2. Educated population
        3. Clear and understandable Shiite ideology. Moreover, she is very tolerant.


        If they don’t get involved in open wars, they will achieve their goals in a peaceful and almost peaceful way. In parallel with treaties (with the best Arab negotiators), Iran ends in October imbargo for armament.
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  12. rocket757
    rocket757 21 September 2020 18: 14
    +1
    And sho, Trump has bent his line to the end!
    He got his "good deal" !!! Ay, well done!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 September 2020 17: 00
      0
      More oppression. And it will bend. Let's see who bends and who does not.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 September 2020 17: 15
        0
        Shaw to watch that? There, minke whales and "oil" monarchies rule the ball, he has already ... led to the pacification and official recognition of Israel!
        Everything is clear, the circus with all sorts of Palestinians and others is over!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 September 2020 17: 17
          +1
          And figs with them ..... Arabs are bad executors of contracts. I'm talking about the end of the Iran embargo
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 September 2020 17: 32
            0
            And sho Persians. The guys are stubborn and are not going to bend ... there is NO talk about that.
            They want to, they want to fall on them ... only the guts are thin, they have.
  13. Dizel200
    Dizel200 21 September 2020 18: 20
    -5
    A fighter carries a wounded Jew laughing
    He told him: I can’t take it anymore, you won’t tell me, shoot me
    - How am I going to shoot you? There are no cartridges
    -And you buy from me laughing
  14. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 21 September 2020 18: 28
    +4
    Although Nziv is not an Israeli information resource, Arabic and Hebrew at the native level make it interesting for tracking events among the Arabs, including. "in the oriental bazaar", in his own way, very informed. For the rest ... Specific Israeli requests for aviation, F-35, F-15IX, tankers are known, the brand of the helicopter will only be selected by the end of the year, and so on. etc. along with the minor "osprey" and "super-bonbs" pushed out of the Israeli transporters ... 8 billion. dollars from 38 bln. amer. aid until 2028 inclusive, this is not all, the delivery time is much more important. What can be really new and important is the agreement on Israel's participation in the creation of the so-called fighters. "6th generation" from the very beginning. Well, in the order of jokes and "memories of the future" - a dozen F-22 and six B-1Lanser pieces, brought to mind by Israeli avionics and weapons.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 September 2020 00: 28
      0
      "a dozen F-22 and six B-1Lanser pieces, brought to mind by Israeli avionics ..."
      ----
      This is when they will start to write off from the US Air Force?
      1. Oleg Olkha
        Oleg Olkha 22 September 2020 14: 03
        0
        Then it is no longer necessary. What difference does it make to the states where they will be registered (the Israeli Air Force, or the USA? ..) and these updated pepelatsy will be based. Like B1Lancer, many are gathering dust in storage, but here for a common cause laughing
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 September 2020 14: 18
          0
          Both of these aircraft types are listed in the "not for sale" category. Strategic weapons. First, you need to change this status of them, through the Congress. Israel is not interested in whether the F-22 is interested - its electronics are so outdated that it almost defies modernization. It cannot be connected to modern weapons and communications. And air supremacy can be maintained with what is: the enemy does not have the 5th generation.
          And the Lancer is very expensive to maintain and maintain. But what is remarkable about it: a large carrying capacity.
  15. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 21 September 2020 18: 30
    0
    It is primarily about restoration of diplomatic relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, which was promoted by Washington. Subsequently, Israel came to an agreement with Qatar and Bahrain.
    As always, let's put everything in its place.
    Between Israel and the UAE was signed Peace treaty which affects all areas, at the same time an agreement was signed with Bahrain. Qatar and other countries are yet to come.
    If you believe the journalists of Nziv, now the conversation is about "compensation for the deal to sign peace agreements with Arab countries"
    Well, as you know, it is not always possible to trust journalists, including in this case.
    For 40 years of a peace treaty with Egypt and 20 years with Jordan, the United States supplied them with weapons, but at the same time always guaranteed Israel's superiority in the region. Even before the conclusion of the peace treaty, an agreement was concluded on the supply of weapons to the UAE for $ 7 billion, including the F-35, as well as two batteries of the TNAAD missile defense system. But this applies not only to the UAE, the Pentagon has recently been actively supplying its Middle East allies with missile defense systems. Saudi Arabia has purchased 84 new F-15s and has agreed to upgrade 70 more, in a $ 29,4 billion deal.
    Accordingly, Israel in these conditions is thinking about its strengthening.
    Today the Secretary of Defense is leaving for the United States where they will discuss these deliveries. And Israel has been negotiating for a long time on the acquisition of Bell V-22 Osprey tiltrotors, Boeing KC-46 tiltrotor aircraft.
  16. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 21 September 2020 18: 31
    0
    List of weapons or list of weapons? How to write correctly?
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 September 2020 18: 50
      +1
      Quote: seregatara1969
      List of weapons or list of weapons? How to write correctly?

      From wiki
      List weapons and military equipment of the Land Forces of the Russian Federation
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 21 September 2020 18: 51
        0
        That's also thought.