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Interesting secrets of the kimono

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Interesting secrets of the kimono
Jinbaori Kobayakawa Hideaki, which he wore at the Battle of Sekigahara. In Japan, clothing was an important distinctive mark of a military leader on the battlefield. The commanders wore a sleeveless jacket over their armor - jinbaori, on the back of which the coat of arms - mon, clearly visible from afar, was always embroidered. Tokyo National Museum


The rich man's child has many dresses,
He will never wear them out,
The rich have in their chests
Good is rotting
Precious silk is missing!

And the poor man has no simple dress,
Sometimes he even has nothing to wear.
This is how we live
And only you grieve
Can't change anything!

Yamanoe Okura's song about love for the son of Furuhi


Culture of clothes. More than a month has passed since the release of the material "Clothes of the ancient Jews: everything according to religious canons" from August 1, 2020, as I am already reminded, they say, the topic has been forgotten, that I would like to continue reading about clothes of different countries and peoples. This is interesting to many.

But which topic should you choose? Logically, one should write about Ancient Rome, but then I remembered that the series of articles about the armor of the samurai, which went on in the summer, and which one of the readers of "VO" also suggested to me, was not finished yet. And so I thought and decided: why don't these two cycles intersect in this case? After all, the kimono is also the clothing of the samurai, like many modern Japanese. In addition, it is both men's and women's clothing of the tradition, which the Japanese, despite all Western borrowings, have successfully carried through the centuries, but what about centuries - millennia!


Typical Japanese kimono. Tokyo National Museum

Well, now, perhaps, it is worth asking a purely rhetorical question: who does not know today that the national dress of the Japanese is a kimono? And not only knows, but also imagines what it looks like from films and books. But the point is that the kimono, like any other national dress, has its own, even small, but "secrets", and sometimes very entertaining! And today we will tell you about them.

Let's start with the fact that for us a kimono is exotic, but for the Japanese it is the most common “wearable thing”. Moreover, this word can be translated from the Japanese language, only the word “thing” will have a somewhat special meaning in this case, “second bottom”, as, indeed, everything in Japan. The fact is that before the word "kimono" the Japanese meant any clothing at all, even if it was just a loincloth. But there was also a kimono itself, which since ancient times has been not only clothing, but also an important indicator of the social status of the one who wears it, which people judged by its cut, fabric, and even by its belt. Well, looking at a woman dressed in a kimono, one could immediately tell whether she was married or not. Moreover, by the kimono it was easy to determine even the area where its owner or owner was born. After all, both men and women wear them, and they look different in different areas. That is, they have one word, but the clothes are different!


Kimono made of several pieces of fabric. Tokyo National Museum

So just as in our country the word “clothes” unites many varieties - from shorts to a fur coat, so the Japanese word “kimono” means a wide range of various clothes. And first of all, this is the yukata (today it is a very comfortable and informal dress for wearing at home), furisode (can be translated as "wide sleeves"), which is clothing for unmarried girls, tomesode is already a dress for married women), then homonogi ( also a kimono, but used at official receptions and as a "weekend" dress for women), uchikake (a very beautiful kimono of the bride), "coat of arms" - komon, from the word "ko" - surface, and "mon" - coat of arms, today may be evening), as well as a special iromuji dress, worn only to participate in the tea ceremony. As with us, it is customary to appear at funerals in Japan in all black, but there is a special kimono for this - mofuku (a kimono specifically for participation in mourning ceremonies). Susohiki are the kimono of geisha and maiko - geisha students, and many other varieties of it. So a kimono even for a Japanese is very, very difficult.


Katabira is a summer kimono. Tokyo National Museum

Today many young Japanese women more and more often marry in a European manner and accordingly buy outfits for this. However, more recently, a Japanese woman for the wedding ceremony had to wear absolutely luxurious kimono, called uchikake, which weighed more than four kilograms, and besides, on a padded lining material! Well, from above it was sheathed with silk or brocade, certainly with amazingly beautiful embroidered designs or completely covered with appliqués. The theme of the drawing could be cranes against the background of clouds and bamboo leaning over the waves, dragons soaring in the azure of the sky, which the Japanese consider to be symbols of wisdom and longevity, and very often sakura or plum flowers. The plots of these drawings can be listed endlessly. However, the wedding kimono itself was supposed to be very modest and white, but the "colored" uchikake, like a hummingbird, was for him just something like a chic "wedding coat". That's how it is!


Also katabira. Tokyo National Museum

Men's kimonos always had shorter sleeves and not as wide as those of women, and also differed in a simpler (if there was one, because traditionally men's kimono is one-color!) And a strict pattern. Its cut was also simpler, but still the main difference between a man's kimono and a woman's was in its material. Men's kimonos were made of matte fabric, not shiny like women's, and their palette had to consist of cold and dark colors. For example, dark blue, dark green, dark brown and mourning black - these were the "most" masculine colors. It was possible to decorate a man's kimono with a dim and not striking ornament - this was quite acceptable, but only no flowers and fluttering butterflies were allowed there. Although, again, men were allowed kimonos and bright colors, but only as informal clothing. In this case, the kimono could be sewn from light purple, grassy or blue fabric.

Another extremely important detail of the men's kimono was the image of the "kamon", the family coat of arms of its owner, applied to it. If the kimono was ceremonial, then there should have been exactly five such coats of arms on it - on the shoulders, on the chest, and also on the back, but if the kimono was everyday, then usually three were enough. To participate in the solemn event in the past it was considered and is now considered decent attire in a strict black kimono, on which five white kamons are embroidered. But if the kamons were embroidered with gold thread, then this was already seen as a sign of bad taste, excess, an unworthy man, and even more so a samurai.


Jinbaori with a large monom on the back, XNUMXth century. Tokyo National Museum

Today in Japan the kimono is still more of a woman's clothing than a man's, and is worn mainly by older women. Although you can see young people in traditional clothes. Although wearing a kimono is a very expensive pleasure. This is because a hand-made kimono (and this is a “real” kimono in every way) costs $ 10.000 and even more! Of course, there are as many inexpensive factory-made kimonos as you want, and you can also buy second-hand, already quite cheap ones. But only a handmade kimono is a symbol of your position in society. And if you want to belong to his elite, shell out money only for such a kimono, and forget about cheap ones!


Embroidery on a kimono. Tokyo National Museum

However, such a kimono is also expensive because the fabric from which it is sewn is also handmade, and it is dyed by hand. There are many ways: for example, take and simply tie the fabric in knots and then dip it into the dye. So, by the way, earlier in the USSR "boiled" jeans were once made! But this method is something very simple, you will not surprise anyone with this. It is considered much more difficult to apply the pattern directly to the kimono itself. It turns out that it signs, like a painting. However, this finish is still far from the limit of skill. Kimono embroidery with multicolored silks is considered an expensive and truly finishing. In this case, the threads are taken so thin that you might think (unless, of course, you look closely at it!) That in fact this is a painting, and not embroidery!


Kimono kosode XVII century. Tokyo National Museum

However, the most interesting thing about a kimono is not the embroidery, the colors, or even the quality of its fabric. The main and most interesting thing about it is the cut. Because the kimono is made from an uncut piece of fabric (called "tan") measuring about 35 cm wide and - this is already a truly amazing thing! - 11 meters long! At the same time, the kimono is traditionally made without the help of scissors, and is folded like the famous Japanese origami. It seems that it is very difficult, but in fact, such "folding" clothes are very comfortable. It is easy to adjust it to any size, no matter whether it is worn by a fat person or a thin one. Although there is a drawback in this. To wash the kimono, the seams on it need to be ripped open, and then sewn again again. But there is nothing to be done about it. Moreover, geisha kimonos were glued with fish glue! Because of this, they quickly fell into disrepair, and new ones were very expensive, which is why geisha services had to pay so much.


XNUMXth century Edo kimono Tokyo National Museum

In addition, the best kimonos were made from natural silk, which was also not cheap, and they were also worn with silk brocade and satin. Of course, in the kimono "new generation" natural fabrics began to be successfully replaced by synthetics. But natural fabrics do not give up their positions as before, therefore both cotton and silk in Japan, as before, are in price!


Lions and peonies. Festive kimono with three monks. Tokyo National Museum

And you also need to know how to choose a kimono. Yes, let the imagination of the artists who painted it, and the embroiderers who embroidered it, be truly flawless. But the question is: will it suit you? Will it fit the oval of the face, skin color, hair, figure? .. And will it be just a beautiful picture or already something “with a deep meaning”? They try, of course, to choose the latter, but this does not always work out! However, there is a hint: the seasonality of the pattern is what should be considered first of all when choosing a kimono. For a spring kimono, it is advisable to choose sakura flowers, but images of maple leaves on a kimono should be kept in autumn. Winter kimono should be embroidered with an ornament of evergreen pine branches or plum flowers, which bloom in Japan in February. In summer it will be nice to see water and fish - everything that is associated with coolness on a hot summer day.


Furisode XVIII century. Tokyo National Museum

Another important "secret" of kimono beauty is obi. Obi is a long (up to 6 meters!) And wide enough (30 cm, although then it is folded in half) fabric belt. It used to be the same for both women and men, but today the obi is an exclusively feminine luxury kimono accessory. There are many ways to tie it, although it used to be tied in the front, but today the knot should be at the back. And because of this alone, you alone, without an assistant, or even without a couple of assistants, will not be able to put on a festive kimono. It is better then not to put it on at all, than to put it on incorrectly and demonstrate it to everyone.

As with everything in Japan, there is a certain secret meaning in tying obi. The obi of married and unmarried women are tied in different ways, and this is how they are distinguished. The color of the obi is also important, and so is its material. So, "maru obi" is tied on special occasions, and sakiori, a belt made from strips of worn clothes, is quite acceptable for a woman and only emphasizes her zeal and virtue. But you can't wear it outside the house! Men's obi are usually very simple, but they are decorated with netsuke key rings, which also have important symbolic meaning.


The woman cuts off the hem of her kimono so as not to disturb the sleeping cat. Old Japanese engraving, illustration for "Notes at the Headboard" Sei Shonagon

Since the kimono is nothing more than a long piece of fabric, it is quite possible to cut it into pieces when it is frayed, and it is very rational to reuse the fabric. That is, it is 100% waste-free clothing. You can order a haori (kimono jacket), a kimono for a child, a bag from it, and the simplest thing is to take it as a simple piece of fabric and wrap a bento (traditionally a Japanese lunch box) in it. This attitude towards things in Japan has been the norm since ancient times, so the old and torn kimono was never thrown away there. So it would hardly be an exaggeration to say that by dressing in their kimonos, the Japanese once again show how wise they are and how they care about the environment!
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 28 September 2020 05: 52
    +7
    Probably the most interesting thing is the symbolism of the Japanese plots. Attachment to events and seasons. It is not easy to pass this language through yourself.

    And, of course, the final illustration does not leave indifferent. Well known, but how good.
    1. kalibr
      28 September 2020 07: 19
      +9
      And that's why it is inserted! In general, I, probably, in a past life was a Japanese, so I like them more and more ... and also a Scot - I can't look at their castles without excitement, or Irish - I really like their triple distilled whiskey. It’s Irish! And the granddaughter began to study Japanese at all, and herself. But due to the overload at the school, I had to refuse. But now I turn to her all the time, if anything ...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 28 September 2020 08: 33
        +6
        The first association, excuse me jerky, is an anecdote about Major Chingachgook on the train.
        Or Adele from The Bat, dusting off like Joan of Arc.

        But seriously, it can hurt a lot - Old Believer flattering, Irish dances, songs about the steppe. A separate line is the sea, in all its forms. Much can be mixed in a person. Many layers.
      2. Icelord
        Icelord 28 September 2020 11: 26
        +6
        Vyacheslav Olegovich absolutely agree with you. Better than Irisha current tequila, and bourbon is generally rare rubbish)))
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 28 September 2020 12: 06
          +7
          Better than Irisha current tequila, and bourbon is generally rare rubbish)))

          And whiskey is hard for me ... I prefer rum on big occasions ... repeat
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 28 September 2020 12: 34
            +5
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            I prefer rum

            And who offered Anton cognac ???? drinks wink
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 28 September 2020 12: 44
              +6
              And who offered Anton cognac ????

              I ended up buying him some rum. Good. Probably good, because I myself have not tried this. Buy yourself - the toad would strangle you. laughing
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 28 September 2020 13: 10
                +5
                The rum was good! good
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 28 September 2020 18: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  The rum was good!

                  I believe, Anton, I believe! I ask for the name of the product, pliz! hi bully
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 28 September 2020 20: 45
                    +3

                    "Smuggled goods" laughing drinks
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 28 September 2020 20: 57
                      +5
                      I look at the label - and at least collect a collection.

                      Did the topic about kimono and Japan begin? Did you get here?
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 05
                        +4
                        Buddy! Since when did you begin to observe the purity of the topics of forum "branches" ??? On you and me, the "Evil flooder" brand does not look anymore, because there is nowhere to put it !!! laughing
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 24
                        +3
                        I've always liked the delta. Any limitation is limiting.

                        And any remark is not accidental. And this is not only a music box.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 37
                        +4
                        I've always liked the delta.
                        Delta is always a bifurcation point. That's why it is interesting. A random tree gnawed by a beaver can change the course of history.
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 40
                        +3
                        Yes. This is Bradbury in an artistic word wrapped the ideas of Lorenz.
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 September 2020 22: 46
                        +3
                        I am more impressed by the formulation of Simak: "Nothing is easier than time!"
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 30 September 2020 15: 04
                  +2
                  On you and me, the "Evil flooder" brand no longer looks, because there is nowhere to put it !!!

                  The Good Doctor just didn't examine you. Perhaps there is still a place ... what Where is the thread under the Mice. laughing
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 30 September 2020 23: 26
                  +2
                  Useless. Jesters are not accepted in the SS.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 28 September 2020 13: 42
      +5
      What an unfair thing this life is! wink To whom is rum, and to whom is work! We are erecting the wall, the firemen have become insolent, they have given an order! Volchars! wassat wassat
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 28 September 2020 20: 37
        +6
        Okay, complain! Before using it, I threw 250 kg of plaster on the walls.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 28 September 2020 20: 58
          +2
          "Do you think it's easy for us kings?" (from).
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 07
            +2
            For that it is easier for the people! "I will sew a little more" (C)
  • Icelord
    Icelord 28 September 2020 12: 34
    +3
    Good day. Well, I still have Tequila more for Ndrav, but Irish is also a good thing, here it is in the mood))). Although white Bacardi is good too
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 28 September 2020 12: 46
      +4
      Although white Bacardi is good too

      Hello Igor! We were told in the Dominican Republic that white rum is mainly for cocktails. I myself prefer golden Barchelo. But dear, he is an infection. Therefore - once a quarter at most. drinks
      1. kalibr
        28 September 2020 13: 08
        +4
        The best drink is the Blue Green cocktail - Curacao liqueur + absinthe + ice on top of it.
    2. ANB
      ANB 29 September 2020 14: 55
      +1
      ... Although white Bacardi is good too

      White Baccardi has gone bad. As they began to bottle it in Germany, so it carries technical alcohol.
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 29 September 2020 21: 19
        +1
        Well, maybe you're right. But still not bacardi but bacardi
        1. ANB
          ANB 30 September 2020 10: 46
          +1
          I got lost
          1. Icelord
            Icelord 30 September 2020 11: 55
            +1
            It happens))). Sometimes I feel ashamed of my writings because of the confusion
  • kalibr
    28 September 2020 13: 06
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    I prefer rum on big occasions ...

    "Darby McGraw! Darby McGraw! Darby, give me some rum!"
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 28 September 2020 13: 28
      +4
      "Darby McGraw! Darby McGraw! Darby, give me some rum!"

      The main thing is to know when to stop! wink And it will turn out like this:

      The best drink is the Blue Green cocktail - Curacao liqueur + absinthe + ice on top of it.

      You write deliciously, Vyacheslav Olegovich! drinks But I'm not that big of a cocktail drinker. The last time I tried them gorgeous in Feodosia in 2011 ... winked good
    2. ee2100
      ee2100 28 September 2020 14: 14
      +3
      B-52 is the topic!
  • ee2100
    ee2100 28 September 2020 08: 57
    +5
    Vyacheslav! Good afternoon. Claiming the glory of Vasiliev?
    1. kalibr
      28 September 2020 09: 05
      +3
      Quote: ee2100
      Vyacheslav! Good afternoon. Claiming the glory of Vasiliev?

      Good afternoon to you, Alexander! And who is this Vasiliev? To my shame I don't know ...
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 28 September 2020 09: 10
        +5
        Fashion historian, TV presenter "fashionable verdict". Earns well with his creativity! Apartment in Paris
        1. kalibr
          28 September 2020 09: 27
          +4
          Oh, well, I practically don't watch TV, so I'm forgiven. An apartment in Paris won't shine for me, even if I had money for it. It hurts too many ... different dark personalities.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 28 September 2020 09: 32
            +4
            "Dark personalities" does not sound tolerant! So are you a racist? am
            1. kalibr
              28 September 2020 09: 43
              +4
              "Dark personality" is a completely normal phrase that has nothing to do with tolerance. Where does this craving for labels come from? Is life easier for you? And why switch to "faces"? It seems to me that a modern person has enough words. I have enough!
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 28 September 2020 09: 49
                +2
                What, the day did not work out in the morning? Or don't you understand the jokes? I won't joke with you anymore.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 28 September 2020 09: 58
                  12
                  Quote: ee2100
                  I won't joke with you anymore.

                  Colleague, here sometimes jokes and banter are simply not rolled, the people here are serious, so it is necessary to write "joke" or "banter", or "sarcasm" in parentheses instead of the word "shovel", otherwise pensioners will gnaw at you! (joke) wassat
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 28 September 2020 10: 00
                    +3
                    Thank you for standing up! Otherwise they will definitely eat it! laughing
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 28 September 2020 10: 18
                      +9
                      Quote: ee2100
                      Thank you for standing up! Otherwise they will definitely eat it!

                      On nothing laughing They don't joke with "caliber", just like love, because kimano is our everything belay In theory, now you must urgently make up, after which you will be offered to familiarize yourself with the works of the aftar, subscribe to his channel and put your thumbs up wassat
                      To whom is the mother, and to whom is the mother good laughing Business, nothing personal bully
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 28 September 2020 10: 42
                        +3
                        Thanks, in the know. But "thumbs up" may not be perceived correctly. The author knows my attitude to such publications ...... Yes, business. Where the world is heading! I wanted to write IN.
                      2. kalibr
                        28 September 2020 13: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Business, nothing personal

                        If it were not for "business", there would be no VO at all and you would have nothing to read and comment on.
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 28 September 2020 19: 35
                    +2
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    (joke)

                    Joke-laugh-neigh?
                    Yes, always!
                    With great pleasure!!! wink laughing bully
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 28 September 2020 19: 42
                      10
                      Quote: Phil77
                      Joke-laugh-neigh?
                      Yes, always!
                      With great pleasure!!!

                      This is OUR MAN! good , and then all are gloomy here belay
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 28 September 2020 19: 50
                        +2
                        I don’t agree. There’s enough fun, just ... well, Monday is now! Concerns, chores, rest after rest. Quiet, bye. lol
                      2. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 28 September 2020 19: 58
                        11
                        Quote: Phil77
                        There is plenty of fun, it's just ... well, it's Monday now! Worries, troubles, rest after rest. Quiet, bye.

                        Do you think the people are regrouping? Who kneads their fingers, who korregu ... laughing
                        It's good for you on the branches near Shpakovsky, it's quiet and comfortable, everything is akdemic, but imagine what it is to the politicians ?! laughing laughing laughing Finally, after all, the tin is tin, it's time for Smirnov to write out milk or kefirchik at the expense of the institution, and not before wassat
                        Ugh, damn, forgot to write (just kidding) yes
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 28 September 2020 20: 03
                        +4
                        Well, her ..... far away .... this policy and everything else accompanying it! I have after all the events, reforms, promises, accomplishments, etc. etc., just idiosyncrasy from these * imperious * mugs and muzzles! belay Dismiss
                      4. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 28 September 2020 20: 19
                        11
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Well, her ..... far away .... this policy and everything else accompanying it! After all the events,

                        I understand you! I took a break from the site, now on a new one. laughing
                    2. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 28
                      +3
                      No. It is far from academic here. But to say on the section "Politics" and to be heard is almost art.

                      And, in general, you linger where it is cozy. Even if it's expensive.
              2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 September 2020 11: 50
                +1
                Quote: Phil77
                Quote: Malyuta
                (joke)

                Joke-laugh-neigh?
                Yes, always!
                With great pleasure!!! wink laughing bully

                Sergey, the third smiley in your comment with glasses went further and already got it in the eye !!!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 29 September 2020 19: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  went on and already got it in the eye !!!

                  Oops! Good evening dear Vlad!
                  And from whom? In the eye? winked
          2. kalibr
            28 September 2020 10: 23
            +1
            Quote: ee2100
            I won't joke with you anymore.

            Unfortunately, my sense of humor is not as good as I would like. However, humor here is not always clear. But let me say that "What, the day has not worked out in the morning?" there was no need to write, because it has nothing to do with humor.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 28 September 2020 10: 44
              +3
              I'm not kidding anymore! And on the account of the "day" I guess?
              1. kalibr
                28 September 2020 10: 47
                +3
                Quote: ee2100
                And on the account of the "day" I guess?

                Of course not. In Penza, the sun is wonderful. My breakfast is always delicious, my work is always interesting ... what else does a person want? In addition, it is said: "If you want to be happy - be it!"
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 28 September 2020 10: 49
                  +3
                  Philosophical! And we promise autumn from today.
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 September 2020 13: 13
            +3
            It has already been noted more than once that Vyacheslav Olegovich has a peculiar sense of humor.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 28 September 2020 14: 03
              +2
              I think that either there is or not, but when they want to seem cultural (on different issues) they talk about originality
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 28 September 2020 15: 24
                +4
                A peculiar thought. It remains only to understand who you are trying to convict of the insufficient level of culture, me or Shpakovsky?
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 28 September 2020 18: 56
                  +3
                  Not you. That's for sure
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 26
                  +2
                  Meanwhile, I will note that Shpakovsky's culture is doing well. Periodic "wedging" into a frank "trash" in the comments can be attributed to professional deformation. Try doing journalism for 40 years yourself.
                3. ee2100
                  ee2100 29 September 2020 09: 46
                  0
                  We (I) evaluate a person by what is written here and now, and not the process of his creative activity. Therefore, your objection is not particularly appropriate. At the funeral - yes! Only good, as the Romans said.
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 01
              +4
              You can't take a thermometer, you can't measure it. And not why.
            3. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 14
              +3
              You can't take a thermometer, you can't measure it.
              It happens. They explained to me more than once about imaginary numbers, but I still didn't understand anything. "Culture", apparently, let us down .... crying
            4. Korsar4
              Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 20
              +2
              What's interesting is that you figure it out.
            5. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 30
              +3
              The history of mathematics is an integral part of world history. I love to understand the little things.
            6. Korsar4
              Korsar4 28 September 2020 22: 49
              +2
              In general, in any science, the habit of looking - where it started. Both bright personalities and their biographies are like beacons.
            7. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 September 2020 22: 54
              +2
              Not always. Not always.
            8. Korsar4
              Korsar4 28 September 2020 22: 59
              +3
              It's just that dates don't look so vivid, without people and their biographies.

              And people are often determined by the circle of reading and the circle of communication.
            9. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 36
              +2
              The first is undoubtedly!
              The second is more than doubtful!
            10. Korsar4
              Korsar4 28 September 2020 23: 57
              +2
              Do books shape people?
              Is the selection of the interlocutor random?

              In general, I hardly believe in randomness.
              With all due respect to the bifurcation points.
            11. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 05
              +3
              Two examples. Gilles de Re and Giordano Bruno.
            12. Korsar4
              Korsar4 29 September 2020 00: 11
              +2
              Do you want to find out what led them astray?

              If it were just to answer that "Hellenic greyhounds were not tekoh" (c).
            13. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 26
              +2
              Actually, I think I've already got it. The first found his bonfire for believing in "good" people, the second for believing in his own exclusivity. And we read almost identical books. And Bruno's social circle was much more intellectual than de Re
            14. Icelord
              Icelord 30 September 2020 12: 10
              +2
              You, of course, forgive generously, but Bruno was a monk. I'm not sure that all intellectuals were in the monastery))). And it's really a pity for the marshal, not only did he get under the distribution, but they also made a monster forever and ever.
            15. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 30 September 2020 23: 21
              +2
              Monasticism does not deny personal pride, which is a mortal sin, into which this son of God fell.
              And also, in outright heresy, which he propagated anywhere in his own field, like his own "ego"
              For 15 years to turn against yourself half of Europe, in those days, it must be the most talented misanthrope!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 28 September 2020 09: 09
    +6
    At the same time, the kimono is traditionally made without the help of scissors, and is folded like the famous Japanese origami.
    I do not know which "unknown hero" launched this version into the information space, but I would like to see a craftsman who folded clothes with sleeves and a collar from a piece of fabric 72 cm wide and 26 m long (how much fabric is required for some kimono styles) cutting it.
    The Japanese would be very surprised to learn about this sewing method.
    In reality, the kimono is cut according to the standard pattern, although there may be deviations from it if the pattern needs to be adjusted.

    Traditional Japanese scissors are used for cutting.

    The classic kimono is sewn only by hand. For washing, the kimono is unpicked and sewn again after washing.
    1. kalibr
      28 September 2020 09: 28
      +3
      Thanks for the clarification. Where I read about it this was not, of course.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 28 September 2020 09: 29
      +7
      I will try to supplement the author's materialism with Japanese idealism and philosophy.
      The Japanese, creating their culture, did not oppose themselves to nature, but adapted to it. Under the influence of such a worldview, the Japanese costume was formed - a kind of standard of life in peace and harmony with nature.
      The philosophy of Japanese costume is three things: love, beauty and etiquette.
      In contrast to the European costume with a complex cut and many sizes, the Japanese kimono with a uniform cut and only two sizes suits anyone. Therefore, clothing has always been inherited, and it has turned from just a thing into a piece of the soul and love of those who wore it in the past. Receiving this carefully preserved costume from parents, a person, in turn, just like them, keeps it and considers it an honor to wear such a thing. In addition, the kimono never goes out of fashion, unlike European clothing.
      European clothing, tailored to size and shape, will fit well on a person, regardless of his taste, but only thanks to the skill of a tailor, while the fit of a Japanese kimono depends entirely on the ability to put on it and the good taste of the wearer. Therefore, the very process of putting on a kimono becomes a creative act that turns each person into an artist who creates an individual image. This image will depend only on the intention of the person himself, while the same clothes can decorate one, but not the other, because the Japanese national costume emphasizes not so much a person's appearance as his character.
      As the Japanese say, at any age a kimono shows the inner beauty and sophistication of its owner, and it is often in adulthood that a person acquires that beauty that does not exist in youth. At twenty, this is splendor, at thirty - modesty, at forty - grace. Kimono emphasizes the maturity of a fifty-year-old man, the inner calmness of a sixty-year-old, the austere beauty of a seventy-year-old and philosophical peace of mind at eighty. This allows a person to go through the years without feeling the loss of youth, improving his spirit and gaining wisdom.
      1. kalibr
        28 September 2020 09: 47
        +3
        Viktor Nikolaevich, if you came up with this yourself, then let A - congratulate on the expressiveness of the above, and B) - ask permission to use it ... accordingly. If not, but found somewhere, then I'll just rewrite this text with a high level of novelty, leaving the same meaning ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 28 September 2020 09: 58
          +6
          You know, I am interested in the history and traditions of Japan. Therefore, digging through the archives, I found the desired "motive", adding a little expressiveness. The primary source is an article in the "Bulletin of the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences No. 4 for 2005" Japanese national costume.
          The author has no degrees or titles yet, but he senses the theme. So you don't need to use my permission.
          1. kalibr
            28 September 2020 10: 20
            +3
            Yes, it is noticeable. Well, well, that means you will have to rewrite it, also "feeling the theme."
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 28 September 2020 12: 03
            +3
            So you don't need to use my permission.

            But your words can be put into an epigraph. hi
            The theme of clothing ... how to tell you, colleagues ... It seems that it is not closely related to military history ... but to the idea of ​​history, to its perception - the most indispensable. yes Without knowing how people lived, what they wore, and what people ate in the past, we cannot create a complete picture of historical events. hi
            Although (a little distant from the topic) there are cases when the military uniform also exerted its influence on civilian clothes. Here it is appropriate to recall the costumes of the landsknechts. hi I read somewhere that the loving Henry VIII repeated their outfits in his attire! drinks
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 28 September 2020 10: 30
        +4
        Quote: Undecim
        I will try to supplement the author's materialism with Japanese idealism and philosophy.

        Wonderful commentary, Victor Nikolaevich. My admiration. good
      3. Korsar4
        Korsar4 28 September 2020 11: 50
        +2
        From Basho's favorite phrases6 "Learn from a pine what a pine is". (There are different translation options).

        And "Iwashi" sings a good song on this topic.
      4. Icelord
        Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 36
        +4
        I wrote down STE. It turns out that I do not grow old, but improve my spirit and acquire wisdom. And tomorrow I will be 46 years old, so it’s on time))) I sincerely thank you, Viktor Nikolaevich.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 28 September 2020 16: 49
          +5
          Oh, yes, you have not yet reached the age of maturity! You have everything ahead. And I am on the way from inner tranquility to strict beauty.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 58
          +3
          I'm 47. And 17, as it was yesterday!
      5. Korsar4
        Korsar4 28 September 2020 21: 03
        +3
        Kukin's song "Thirty years". The husband of the second daughter has already turned. The eldest will soon be fulfilled. Probably I feel it acutely.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 01
          +3
          A year ago I was allowed to call me "uncle" ... My grand-nephews ...
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 29 September 2020 00: 05
            +2
            At one time my sister was indignant when she became an "aunt".
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 September 2020 11: 48
      +3
      Immediately thoughts arose - what are the different kimonos for judo, aikido, etc.

      The son-in-law was seriously engaged in aikido. His son trained a little.
      And in our time, they usually dispensed with a school uniform with cut buttons.

      Not everyone should be samurai, ninja and other personalities standing in the way of bushido. I apologize for the tautology.

      Someone took out koi fish - also quite an interesting activity.
    4. bubalik
      bubalik 28 September 2020 17: 49
      +4
      Traditional Japanese scissors are used for cutting.
      hi interesting.
      The sheep, when held, were sheared like that.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 28 September 2020 18: 01
        +3
        Classic shears for shearing sheep wool.
        They are like that today. Almost all over the world.
  • Operator
    Operator 28 September 2020 11: 01
    -1
    The kimono is a symbol of the cultural backwardness of the Japanese. In Europe and America, national embroidered shirts have not been worn for a long time (except for the wild outskirts, essno) laughing

    The kimono is an indigenous variety of Chinese Hanfu introduced to the Japanese islands by Chinese immigrants in the 5th century AD. Prior to this, the indigenous Japanese / Ainu wore clothing such as poncho (women) and sari (men).
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 28 September 2020 11: 31
      +3
      And how do the Japanese treat Ainam?
      1. Operator
        Operator 28 September 2020 11: 46
        +4
        Half of the population of Japan consists of the descendants of the first settlers of the Japanese islands of the Paleolithic period - hunters / gatherers of the Ainu (carriers of haplogroup D), the other half - from the streams of the Chinese (haplogroup O) who migrated to the islands starting from the 1st millennium BC. and brought with them skills in metalworking, agriculture, horse breeding, and a developed culture (including Hanfu).
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 28 September 2020 12: 28
          +3
          No, flies separately, cutlets separately))). Ainu are Ainu, and Japanese are Japanese
          1. Operator
            Operator 28 September 2020 13: 02
            +3
            Where then should their mestizos go, who make up 99% of today's population of Japan? laughing
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 28 September 2020 13: 22
              +5
              Well, the Japanese themselves do not quite agree with you about the mestizos. And I believe them more than the pseudo-scientist Klyosov. You just need to look at them.
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              2. Operator
                Operator 28 September 2020 13: 28
                -1
                So who would agree that he is a mestizo? laughing

                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 28 September 2020 13: 35
                  +4
                  It's a deal then. I see Ethiopia, and I see that the Japanese are not like the Ainu at all. And let them first touch the haplogroups, but I don’t believe it)))
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 28 September 2020 13: 37
                    0
                    The Japanese are not at the same time like the Ainu and the Chinese - they are complete mestizos.
                    1. Icelord
                      Icelord 28 September 2020 13: 38
                      +3
                      Or maybe they are not alike, simply because they are not Ainu or Chinese, eh?
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 28 September 2020 13: 40
                        -1
                        And the Earth is flat, isn't it - you see it that way?
                      2. Icelord
                        Icelord 28 September 2020 13: 43
                        +5
                        В
                        Quote: Operator
                        And the Earth is flat, isn't it - you see it that way?


                        Do you really think so? No, I don’t see that, I’m a lieutenant colonel in the reserve and I have been taking into account the curvature of the earth and the horizon line since the age of 17. Otherwise they would have been kicked out of the military school)))
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 28 September 2020 13: 46
                        0
                        Well, thank God, even though this fact, contrary to organoleptic skills, you admit laughing
                      4. Icelord
                        Icelord 28 September 2020 13: 49
                        +4
                        What I don't see is the connection between the shape of the earth and the Japanese. Alas
                      5. Icelord
                        Icelord 28 September 2020 19: 02
                        +2
                        Oh gods ..... No, I do not believe that a person who can read and write seriously believes in such a way. Bosca's uterus .... You should see a doctor
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 28 September 2020 13: 55
          +5
          The individual under the nickname "Operator", judging by his comments, would be very interested in Adler.
          1. Icelord
            Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 57
            +5
            And minus mercilessly. Oh, these Russoarians are the ancestors of everyone and everything
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 September 2020 20: 59
            +2
            The man under the nickname "Operator" is known in the world as Andrei Vasiliev.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 28 September 2020 21: 01
              +2
              And Adler is known to the world as Alfred.
              1. Operator
                Operator 28 September 2020 21: 05
                -2
                I am a former official (who are never former), because my psyche is normal to the point of disgrace laughing
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 28 September 2020 21: 08
                  +3
                  my psyche is outrageously normal
                  Then you go to Sandomierz.
                2. Operator
                  Operator 28 September 2020 21: 11
                  -3
                  Have pity on Mark - any Russian official will bring any Jewish psychiatrist to kondrashka bully
              2. Icelord
                Icelord 28 September 2020 21: 39
                +3
                And I am a former military man, and now a businessman and a government official. And now the work in the khokimiyat (the district administration according to you) drives me crazy)))
              3. Operator
                Operator 28 September 2020 22: 57
                -3
                We are in a different category - I was an official in the federal (former union) ministry. And the work did not drive me crazy - rather the opposite laughing
              4. Icelord
                Icelord 28 September 2020 23: 00
                +3
                Who knows. It takes a long time to explain, and I would not like to publicly. My father was at this level, and I became the owner of the property. Something like this
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 September 2020 22: 42
          +3
          Victor Nikolaevich, I know who A. Adler is. I just gave a short (very) biographical remark. In addition, I believe that a person should be respected for a strong commitment to their beliefs, even though we consider them to be delusions.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 28 September 2020 23: 18
            +3
            I don't seem to have expressed any disrespect for the resilience of a citizen anywhere. I only speculated about the possible source of such persistent beliefs.
          2. Icelord
            Icelord 28 September 2020 23: 26
            +3
            Wah. Viktor Nikolaevich, the further you go, the more I admire your versatility. I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, so I'm never an expert in this. But by the way, I have a speech defect)))
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 31
            +2
            This is just to maintain tone, and a reminder that I, too, can argue.
          4. Undecim
            Undecim 29 September 2020 00: 07
            +2
            Do you want to say that we have not argued for a long time?
          5. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 14
            +2
            By no means, I think that we are constantly arguing about something, take at least the last one, about rare earth metals. But globally, about the ways of scientific and technological revolution, yes, it has not been for a long time.
          6. Undecim
            Undecim 29 September 2020 00: 18
            +4
            There is no related article, global topic. Under the article about vodka, where turbopatriots are trying to defend Mendeleev's participation in the creation of modern vodka against the background of poor copy-paste, you cannot argue about global issues, it does not inspire.
          7. Liam
            Liam 29 September 2020 00: 26
            -1
            Quote: Undecim
            Under the article about vodka

            But it is instructive to think about the reasons forcing a part of the venerable public to show miracles of ingenuity both in terms of raw materials and a purely technological process (with not sickly labor costs) for the sake of getting a samopal instead of going and buying a bottle of a decent product
          8. Undecim
            Undecim 29 September 2020 00: 35
            +4
            The fact is that we do not produce classic distillate-based vodka. Only on the basis of a rectification. There is no pleasure in consuming such a drink.
            A decent distillate is only imported drinks with appropriate prices.
            As for the samopal, then without much effort you can get a very decent result. Another question is that many people care about organoleptic properties, the main thing is to "insert".
        4. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 28
          +3
          I didn't even open it. Haraluzhny?
        5. Undecim
          Undecim 29 September 2020 00: 36
          +3
          Worse, Apukhtin.
        6. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 September 2020 00: 43
          +4
          Even so!!! It looks like the "Best Author of the Resource" marathon has started! I bet on Kharaluzhny.
        7. Korsar4
          Korsar4 29 September 2020 07: 22
          +4
          There is simply a reason to move from the "newspaper" format - discussion of the topic for 1 day to the "magazine" - discussion for 1 week.

          If colleagues want to, I can not even deviate from the topic.

          PS Just do not think that the person who comments was changed.
        8. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 September 2020 07: 58
          +3
          What is the reason?
        9. Korsar4
          Korsar4 29 September 2020 08: 01
          +3
          The “journal” format can help to make the discussion more detailed.

          The lack of "side discounts" can contribute to the ease of reading the thread.
          But something can be lost.
        10. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 September 2020 08: 07
          +3
          But something can be lost.
          Live communication, for example.
        11. Korsar4
          Korsar4 29 September 2020 09: 37
          +4
          Here. Let's leave academic communication to the academic environment.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 28 September 2020 12: 09
    +1
    Will there be an article about Russian clothing?
    In particular about shirts?
    Or is there more information about kimono than about what our ancestors wore?
    1. kalibr
      28 September 2020 13: 20
      +6
      Alexey, of course, will talk about our clothes. But everything has its time. Ahead are the clothes of ancient Rome, Persia and Byzantium. This is what the work is going on. The kimono got out ... well ... I love this topic and once again was in the Tokyo National Museum ... Virtually, of course.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 28 September 2020 13: 24
      +4
      And what, shirts were worn exclusively in Russia?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 28 September 2020 16: 22
        +1
        They came to us, the carriers of animal skins, exclusively from enlightened Byzantium.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 28 September 2020 12: 21
    +2
    Nice and romantic.
    So I imagine a Japanese man in a chic silk kimono knee-deep in water in a rice field!
    Sansom J. History of Japan, 1615-1867. London, 1964
    Peasants are people without common sense and foresight, so they should not give rice to their wives or children during the harvest, but should store it for the future. They should eat millet, vegetables and other rough foods instead of rice. Even leaves fallen from plants should be stored as food in case of hunger ... During planting and growing crops, when labor requires a lot of energy, the food consumed may be slightly better than usual.
    The husband must work in the fields, the wife must work at the loom. Both should work at night. No matter how attractive a wife is in appearance, if she neglects her household duties for the sake of tea drinking, or is eager for spectacles, or loves to wander along the hillsides, she needs to be divorced.
    Peasants should only wear cotton or hemp clothing - no silk. They are not allowed to smoke tobacco - it is detrimental to health, takes time and costs money, and also creates a risk of fire. "
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 28 September 2020 21: 18
    +4
    Meanwhile, Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the article!
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 28 September 2020 21: 41
      +3
      I willingly join
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 28 September 2020 22: 06
        +4
        Thanks Igor! The bottom line is that Shpakovsky, as an author, always accepts objective criticism. Vyacheslav Olegovich is categorically irreconcilable to "subjectivists"! I think you are from the same tribe ...
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 28 September 2020 22: 56
          +4
          It looks like you are right. Well, I'm somehow very practical, I don't believe in miracles
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 05
            +4
            Well Duc! Everything is like in one of my favorite films ...
            "- God is with us! Because he hates the Yankees!"
            - No! God is against us, because he hates idiots! "(C)
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 28 September 2020 23: 07
              +3
              What movie? Something familiar but I don't remember. Old age is not a joy)))
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 14
                +4
                Youth is not life! laughing
                "Good bad evil"
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 28 September 2020 23: 16
                  +3
                  Shame. My favorite western. True, Clint Eastwood is almost always silent there. But still I'm ashamed
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 28 September 2020 23: 28
                    +3
                    Stop it. I, too, do not always manage to remember the immortal words of Sarah Connor: "There is no destiny, except for the one that we ourselves choose."
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 October 2020 18: 14
    0
    All kimono photos are given in the same
    foreshortening, so I didn't really understand what it is:
    short-sleeved robe wrap around the chest?
    Without buttons and a belt?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 28 October 2020 22: 39
    0
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Better than Irisha current tequila, and bourbon is generally rare rubbish)))

    And whiskey is hard for me ... I prefer rum on big occasions ... repeat

    Ale, Vasya!
    What?
    We drank vodka yesterday?
    We drank.
    Did you drink beer?
    We drank.
    Did you drink rocket fuel?
    We drank.
    Vasya, did you go to the pot?
    No.
    Vasya, don't go, I'm calling you from Tokyo.