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Former Polish Foreign Minister on the work of the investigation: So the Russians first led the Tu-154 to death, and then blew it up, or vice versa?

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Major Polish publications continued to discuss the request of the Polish National Prosecutor's Office to detain the Russian air traffic controllers who were on duty at the Smolensk-Severny airfield on the day of the fall of the Polish side No. 1 - April 10, 2010.


Recall that the Polish prosecutor's office is awaiting permission from the Warsaw District Court to declare the Smolensk dispatchers on the wanted list - those who took all measures, recommending the Tu-154 crew to leave for an alternate airfield due to a sharp deterioration in weather conditions.
The Polish prosecutor's office believes that the Smolensk "dispatchers did not know the exact parameters of the height of the airliner, which could lead to a tragedy."

The Polish edition of Rzeczpospolita published an analytical article by Marek Kotsubal entitled “Games around Smolensk”.

A Polish observer speaks of Poland's inconsistency. Kotsubal notes that some time ago, a subcommittee headed by ex-Defense Minister Antoni Matserevich announced "the discovery of traces of explosives." Indeed, Macerevich announced that "an explosive device could have been in the wing of the plane," but it turned out to be there "allegedly during the maintenance of the liner in Russia."

Marek Kotsubal:

Now the decision of the Polish prosecutor's office and the expectation of the detention of Russian dispatchers actually cancels out the statements of Macerevich and his subcommittee.

The publication says that the Polish national prosecutor's office believes the following: “The radar landing system used by the dispatching service in Smolensk was out of order, and as a result, most of the information about the location of the aircraft, which the inspectors transmitted to the pilots, was false. Therefore, the prosecutor's office decided to change the charge from manslaughter to intentional actions. "

The article also contains statements by Polish officials, both current and former ones. For example, the former Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said that he did not understand the conflicting statements from the representatives of the investigation, calling the proposed theories "amazing." Sikorsky with a fair amount of skepticism: "So the Russians first led the Tu-154 to death, and then blew it up, or vice versa?"

Marek Kotsubal's material also notes that the initiative of the Polish prosecutor's office appeared in September, and "the use of this date can be regarded as a deliberate attempt to link Smolensk with the events of 81 years ago and interpreted as an element of the information war with Russia."

As a result, the author writes that in connection with the request of the national prosecutor's office against the background of Macerevich's statements about the "mysterious explosion", his (Macerevich's) authority in Poland, which was not already high, "became even more fragile." It is also added that it is pointless to wait for the issuance of dispatchers by Russia.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 20 September 2020 09: 57 New
    41
    Give them those birches, let them judge them.
    1. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 20 September 2020 09: 59 New
      29
      You know, I think they will think of this and at the same time send a request to arrest the fog!
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 20 September 2020 10: 05 New
        20
        How are such oligophrenics elected to power in Poland ???
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 20 September 2020 10: 36 New
          18
          Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
          How are such oligophrenics elected to power in Poland ???

          They have normal power. We received an order and now they are working it out! Versions of the mountain, dispatchers, fog, explosives, a tree, let the competent authorities have fun, and the goal is to spoil relations with the Russians, to build barbarians out of us !!! Even if everything remains unproven , the sediment will remain ..................
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 20 September 2020 10: 42 New
            11
            One day the Poles will realize that damage to relations between our countries can play a very cruel joke with them, but it will be too late.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 20 September 2020 10: 48 New
              11
              Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
              One day the Poles will realize that damage to relations between our countries can play a very cruel joke with them, but it will be too late.

              Yes, they will never understand this. As long as there are Americans, as long as they finance them, the Poles will step on whatever they want. Yes, and our government is soft, everything is trying to maneuver with the EU. Demolish monuments, throw mud, carry out provocations, stir up fascism, our all will be endure.
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 20 September 2020 10: 55 New
                +6
                The head is needed not only to wear a hat. Damaging relations between neighbors, that shitting at home, will never lead to good.
                1. krot
                  krot 20 September 2020 11: 18 New
                  10
                  Give them those birches, let them judge them.

                  I do not agree with you, although I appreciated the joke! ) They will not judge any birch trees! These birches are ours! They even need to be rewarded! wink
                  But to judge the Poles themselves for slander, inciting ethnic hatred, for interfering in the elections in Belarus, finally!
            2. Valerikk
              Valerikk 21 September 2020 11: 10 New
              +1
              One day the Poles will realize that damage to relations between our countries can play a very cruel joke with them, but it will be too late.

              Yes, they constantly step on this rake ... some kind of masochists
            3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
              tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 21 September 2020 19: 35 New
              0
              One section more, one less ... The main thing is that not the people who started it will be responsible for the "bazaar". As always...
      2. frruc
        frruc 20 September 2020 11: 23 New
        +2
        It would be fair to put on trial those Polish leaders who, in a drunken stupor, felt themselves to be the fate-decision-makers on the plane.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 20 September 2020 13: 30 New
          +4
          they already passed their own sentence and carried it out. No one survived.
        2. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 22 September 2020 11: 14 New
          +1
          It would be fair to put those Polish leaders on trial

          They have already appeared before the court, only before another ...
      3. napalm
        napalm 21 September 2020 19: 09 New
        0
        Well, yes, the blue fog is like cheating. Everything is planned
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 20 September 2020 10: 13 New
      +3
      laughing They may even be executed. Burn or shoot.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 20 September 2020 10: 25 New
        15
        Yes, they even have God's dew in their eyes. All of them know very well the cause of the disaster, but they decided to appoint us as extreme.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 20 September 2020 11: 19 New
          +2
          They would first grow the prescription. hi And so, all this is a shaking of air, laughter and mockery of the great neighbor. laughing
        2. NIKN
          NIKN 20 September 2020 11: 24 New
          +3
          It's just that they flatter themselves so much .., it seems like they liquidated the navels of the earth, but in fact, well, no one needs it for nothing ... well, except America, and then in the role of a mongrel.
        3. Mityasha
          Mityasha 21 September 2020 06: 36 New
          +1
          This is called information confrontation and they (the West) are winning so far ...
      2. 76rtbr
        76rtbr 20 September 2020 13: 29 New
        +3
        can, but only their own kind of pshek, birches for everyone, like swamps !!
    3. Hto tama
      Hto tama 20 September 2020 10: 20 New
      14
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Give them those birches, let them judge them.

      There is nothing to squander the people's property, firewood is expensive nowadays, so they will be interrupted by heartburn laughing
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 September 2020 10: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Pessimist22
      those birches, let them judge them.

      Not to judge, but to reward them!

      For endurance. yes
    5. Hagen
      Hagen 20 September 2020 10: 44 New
      11
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Give them those birches, let them judge them.

      They do not need to give any birches, they have already suffered from the Polish muddle with their drunken command. It is necessary to set prohibitive prices for the Poles to visit the site of the disaster and the Katyn Memorial ... Perhaps, we can already send the Polish ambassador ... to Warsaw. One hell, no sense in his presence.
    6. BARKAS
      BARKAS 20 September 2020 11: 08 New
      +7
      Then they will start looking for those who planted these birches.
    7. Basil50
      Basil50 20 September 2020 11: 44 New
      +4
      pessimist
      If birches are given to the Poles, then only to repeat the flight of the next Poles with their next president. But what about zhezh. The investigative experiment should repeat everything that happened then and the crowd of Polish politicians and drunken showdown with the crew. If the investigative experiment does not satisfy the Poles, then the next plane with the next Polish politicians will already be loaded with explosives (since the Poles like this scenario so much).
      So to conduct investigative experiments while the Poles do not understand at least something.
      In that story, I only feel sorry for the birch, it grew, made people happy until the Polish savages * broke the birch *, and after all, there was more than one birch that cost the damage to the RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
      Where are the * greens * looking? Where is their indignation for the destroyed ecology?
    8. avia12005
      avia12005 20 September 2020 11: 47 New
      +3
      Useless. The Poles will say that the Russians planted them on purpose 50 years before the Tu-154 disaster, so that it crashed into them.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 20 September 2020 12: 09 New
        +9
        Quote: avia12005
        Useless. The Poles will say that the Russians planted them on purpose 50 years before the Tu-154 disaster, so that it crashed into them.

        This joke was invented by us "then".

    9. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 20 September 2020 12: 32 New
      +2
      Let them even be burned publicly! laughing
    10. cost
      cost 20 September 2020 12: 38 New
      +1
      Give them those birches, let them judge them.

      they should judge alcohol, not the injured birches
    11. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 20 September 2020 12: 59 New
      +4
      It is the pshek who should be judged for the broken Russian birches, all their pshek. I am not worth more than one Russian birch.
    12. Pravodel
      Pravodel 21 September 2020 14: 44 New
      0
      Just do not give away the mushrooms and berries that grow under them, otherwise they will completely roll up your lip ...
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  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 20 September 2020 09: 58 New
    10
    So the Russians first led the Tu-154 to its death, and then blew it up, or vice versa?

    "Simultaneously!" -Do not suffer already. fool

    What enchanting ichiots ... negative
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 20 September 2020 10: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      So the Russians first led the Tu-154 to its death, and then blew it up, or vice versa?

      "Simultaneously!" -Do not suffer already. fool

      What enchanting ichiots ... negative


      It is believed that first Russian special forces jumped on the plane, stabbed everyone with knives, and only then the defenseless plane was mercilessly blown up. The tracks were covered.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 20 September 2020 11: 38 New
        +2
        and the commander of the Air Force, drunk in a snipe, commanded this "special forces" personally ...
        there was no need to panic ... their ambition ruined them ...
  4. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 20 September 2020 10: 01 New
    +7
    There was no need to transfer control of the helm to the air force commander in chief.
  5. Simargl
    Simargl 20 September 2020 10: 04 New
    +7
    1 - Completion of SP-2.
    2 - Blame the Poles for terrorism using the plane and the president.
    3 - Cut off the gas - let them pump from the LNG terminals, which the FRG wants to build in order to lift sanctions on the SP-2. It is possible through Hochland, as used to.
    4 - In case of any military turmoil, to tear Poland to shreds and to not a single Pole from the middle echelons of power.
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 September 2020 10: 04 New
    +6
    And they buried it in the ground, and wrote the inscription. Yet it has long been known. Petrov and Boshirov climbed the highest spire in Smolensk and bought a birch tree that grew there right along the wing
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 20 September 2020 10: 05 New
    +3
    Commission, subcommittee, bureaucracy ... have already lifted up the logs of their sins to shift am
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 September 2020 10: 05 New
    +5
    Not fig command the pilots, taking half a liter on your chest. And, probably, he threatened to be fired? Have they "lost" the conversations in the cockpit? What dispatchers? It was almost a plane hijacked by terrorists, and it doesn't matter that there were high-ranking officials as terrorists ... In terms of the level of threat to the crew commander, they were no weaker. wassat
    1. ANB
      ANB 20 September 2020 12: 57 New
      +2
      ... taking half a liter on the chest.

      There was clearly not enough half a liter.
  9. wow
    wow 20 September 2020 10: 06 New
    +8
    Polish GONOR completely replaces the brains in the Polish head. The result is two sections of Poland. As they say in aviation - the third time is the last.
  10. Coconut
    Coconut 20 September 2020 10: 07 New
    +6
    When the Poles are cut off from the EU dough ... like 2021 ... that's when we'll listen to the new song of the Poles ..
  11. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 September 2020 10: 08 New
    +4
    Will Kaczynski be excavated again? And without this, the show is not very big ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 20 September 2020 10: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Will Kaczynski be excavated again? And without this, the show is not very big ...

      "Every president of Poland must raise a NATO contingent on his territory, build a wall with Russia and dig Kaczynski."
      Without this, the term will not be counted.
    2. Cetron
      Cetron 20 September 2020 19: 50 New
      0
      So they did not bury him - he lies in a stone sarcophagus in Krakow, he opened the lid: he is tuto! Very convenient and prudent.
  12. Rage66
    Rage66 20 September 2020 10: 10 New
    +7
    How do such imbeciles get into power?
  13. nnm
    nnm 20 September 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    I read the comments of the Poles themselves under similar news - the Poles themselves are already mocking the idiocy of their prosecutor's office.
    True, the main idea there is that they look like fools, declaring first that there was an explosion, and now that the dispatchers are to blame.
  14. spech
    spech 20 September 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    Will Kachinsky drip?
  15. Reviews
    Reviews 20 September 2020 10: 26 New
    0
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WwkHvisLHd4
  16. iouris
    iouris 20 September 2020 10: 30 New
    +3
    Relations with the Polish official structures, which continue to engage in dirty insinuations, should have been terminated long ago, and diplomatic relations should be reduced to a minimum due to the absence of diplomats capable of resolving such problems. Does the Russian Federation have nuclear weapons and military power? What negative economic consequences have occurred for Poland as a result of the measures taken?
  17. viktor.
    viktor. 20 September 2020 10: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Give them those birches, let them judge them.

    Don't touch the birches! The time will come, Russia will ask for Russian birch trees from Polyakov! Drunkenness at the wheel or at the helm did not bring anyone to good!
  18. K-50
    K-50 20 September 2020 10: 41 New
    +3
    The Polish national prosecutor's office considers the following: “The radar landing system used by the air traffic control service in Smolensk was out of order, and as a result, most of the information about the aircraft's location that the inspectors transmitted to the pilots was false. Therefore, the prosecutor's office decided to change the charge from manslaughter to intentional actions. "

    When will he finally shut up with this delirium? !!! belay
    There is evidence that the tracking and landing equipment did not work? Only not pshetskie fictional, but objective?
    On the other hand.
    If the dispatcher does not know about the correctness / truthfulness of the transmitted information, but based on the data that he receives from the means of objective control, how correct is it to accuse a person of "premeditated murder"? After all, he does not know that the information is false !!!
    Delirium of possessed gentlemen !!!
    You already there for yourself decide which version you stick to, but know! For any of your delusional get in full !!!! am angry
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 20 September 2020 10: 46 New
      +2

      K-50 (Alexey)
      Today, 10: 41
      NEW
      0
      The Polish national prosecutor's office considers the following: “The radar landing system used by the air traffic control service in Smolensk was out of order, and as a result, most of the information about the aircraft's location that the inspectors transmitted to the pilots was false. Therefore, the prosecutor's office decided to change the charge from manslaughter to intentional actions. "

      When will he finally shut up with this delirium? !!! belay
      As long as there is a pro-American government, never. They will renew them under various sauces, and so on until the end of their century.
  19. Playerman
    Playerman 20 September 2020 10: 54 New
    0
    Psheki, you have already decided: put on your panties or take off the cross! Either the plane was blown up, or it crashed on a birch.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 20 September 2020 11: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: PlayerMan
      Either the plane was blown up, or it crashed on a birch.

      On top of one birch there was a cutter, and on the other a bomb. It's a shame not to know.
  20. Shuttle
    Shuttle 20 September 2020 10: 59 New
    +1
    It is pleasant to receive confirmation that not all of Poland has lost its common sense. Maybe there will still be someone there to talk to without Russophobic tricks.
  21. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 20 September 2020 11: 02 New
    +2
    No, it wasn't like that. The Poles poisoned the pilots and the plane that lost control fell.
    And where is the Russian trace here? And the newcomer was given to the Poles by Russians under the guise of chocolates.
  22. HAM
    HAM 20 September 2020 11: 07 New
    +1
    All this is from one series and one source: Skripali, Litvinenko, Navalny, Berezovsky, and now Kachinsky and his drunken team. One director's hand is felt ... the main thing is blatantly blame. The more impudent, the more believable ...
  23. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 September 2020 11: 19 New
    +2
    Former Polish Foreign Minister on the work of the investigation: So the Russians first led Tu-154 to death, and then blew it up, or vice versa?

    There is a story about such analysts of the investigation:
  24. beeper
    beeper 20 September 2020 11: 36 New
    +5
    Ty, fabulous dbl these "ambitious" Polish Russophobes! fool stop
    Well, let them, in honor of such an occasion, again "dig up" the remains of their Kachka (Ducks in Polish-Ukrainian) and other unfortunate victims of that plane crash!
    Who is the next Polish bullshit for ??! what
    After all, the "black boxes" and the readings of the instruments of the Polish "carcass" - 100% Polish wine have been deciphered for a long time !!!
    The radar tracking and landing system used by the air traffic control service of the military airfield "Smolensk-Severny" was in good order and the data reported to Polish aviators by Russian air traffic controllers were correct, otherwise the Polish "Yak" would have crashed. -40 "!
    But the Polish crew did not establish (because of a nervous and unhealthy "drunken atmosphere on board" forgot or through negligence ?!) on the barometric altimeter of their aircraft the correct atmospheric pressure of the "ground level" of the Smolensk arrival airfield and it gave incorrect altitude values!
    And the onboard radio altimeter, according to which the Polish navigator gave corrections to his commander, bluntly measured the sheer distance to the ground, nominally underestimating the height of the airliner on the landing glide path (due to the specifics of the terrain near this airfield, the start of the runway of which is located 50-70 meters higher above sea ​​level than a wooded lowland "with birches" on the approaches to the runway!)!
    So, when landing according to the on-board radio altimeter, which correctly showed the vertical height from the belly of the aircraft to the surface of the earth (but NOT above sea level!) (despite the persistent attempts of Russian dispatchers at first to dissuade the incompetent Polish military crew to abandon the deliberate gamble with landing in the SMU at an unfamiliar airfield to these pilots and go to an alternate, and then, when suicidal donkeys could not be dissuaded from attempting mass suicide, they pointed out a mistake when approach and demanded to raise the dangerously low presidential "carcass" stuffed with "elite" Russophobes higher!), the Polish crew, self-confident, with the "arrogant" stubbornness of a zombie, directed their airliner to a collision with the ground ...
    And now the POLISH MATSEREVICHES AND THEIR PROSECUTORS, who were clearly smoked with "SUBSTANCES", HAVE ENOUGH TO SHOOT ON THE Bona fide RUSSIAN CONTROLLERS AND THE AIRDROM EQUIPMENT OWN WINE FOR DRUNK SUITSYUKHYUCHYUKHU-POPIUS in anticipation of the annual large-scale anti-Russian Sabbath in Katynwho ruined themselves, their numerous servants with their ignorant stupidity and, languidly resisted the pressure of the commanding officers, poorly prepared for flights in difficult meteorological conditions, a forced military crew ??! fool
    And how long to endure these unpunished absurdly fake Polish swoops ??! smile
  25. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 20 September 2020 12: 14 New
    +1
    No, well, I am also not happy with our leaders, but they are not the same stupid to put explosives on the plane and detonate it over Russia!
    This is the same story as with the "newbie" at Navalny - like they "hunted" the Skripals - they found, well, lano, back and forth, like abroad, and then Navalny was "trawled" in Russia and sent to Germany for diagnostics - nonsense of the gray mare.
    Now the "pro-Western opposition", which is friends with the West and eats cookies from their hands, should think that the cookie may be with poison, who else will the West want to put on the altar to strengthen sanctions) against Russia ?!
  26. Kelwin
    Kelwin 20 September 2020 12: 33 New
    +1
    dispatchers did not know the exact parameters of the height of the airliner, which could lead to the tragedy

    And who taught you to switch to a radio altimeter at 200m? They refused simulators, they did not know about the ravine, visual approach ... collective farmers, birch in your back ... Arrest your Wishlist
  27. georggy
    georggy 20 September 2020 17: 47 New
    +2
    Psheki let them judge Vodka, which got drunk to the eyeballs their leadership and ingloriously died.
  28. Diviz
    Diviz 20 September 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    These sovereign Poles have a split personality. They will not understand in any way who they are, whether they are Germans, or Ottomans, or someone else .... The hard fate battered people.
  29. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 21 September 2020 08: 39 New
    0
    The Russians planted trees in advance, then mined the plane, then disabled the radar, offered to go to an alternate airfield (the damned knew that the Pole would do the opposite), and finally telepathically ordered the Poles to sit down in poor conditions.
  30. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 21 September 2020 09: 04 New
    0
    Fu, these .., from the beginning of the attack, then in the forest to prop up the roots of birches.
    ... how tired of it all repeat
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  32. demo
    demo 21 September 2020 14: 56 New
    0
    The situation turns from a tragedy into a farce.
    The absence of deterrent factors (shame for the stupidity that I blamed) has led and will continue to lead to even more ridiculous statements.
    If the Poles admit that the death of the plane and the top political and military leadership of the country flying on it is the result of complete disregard for all conceivable and inconceivable rules and norms, then it is necessary to condemn in absentia those who stood "above the souls" of the pilots and demanded landing "here and now".
    And after that, it is necessary to move someone from the Krakow Wawel Castle to an ordinary churchyard.
    And then the prospect of one of the parties of the country will also go into oblivion.
    And who wants this?
    So we are waiting for the next crazy claims from the banks of the Vistula.