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Ex-President of Poland: “If Belarus jumps towards Europe by winter, Russia will simply turn off the tap”

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Ex-President of Poland: “If Belarus jumps towards Europe by winter, Russia will simply turn off the tap”

Former Polish President Lech Walesa gave advice to the candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, who lost in the presidential elections in Belarus, who fled immediately after the elections to Lithuania. According to Walesa, at the moment, Tikhanovskaya needs to organize and wait.


Walesa:

Organize and wait. Belarus should move towards a democratic Europe, but at the same time it cannot immediately abandon contacts with Russia.

According to the ex-president of Poland, while Europe is not ready to provide Belarus with neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes.

Walesa in an interview with Polish media:

If by winter there is a jump towards Europe, then Russia will simply turn off the tap for Belarus. Therefore, I advise you to better prepare, including the preparation of personnel decisions.

According to Lech Walesa, Tikhanovskaya today should know the “main thing” - “there is no Europe without Belarus, without Ukraine.

Walesa:

But let's not rush, or we'll pay too high a price.

Walesa noted that Tikhanovskaya today has a chance to hold free elections. But Mr. Walesa did not specify where Tikhanovskaya will conduct them - in Lithuania, where is he now?

For reference: Lech Walesa served as President of Poland in 1990-1995, was the first head of the Solidarity trade union, which was used by Western intelligence services to withdraw Poland from the socialist system.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 19 September 2020 09: 23
    44
    Walesa in the subject! A great specialist in horse racing ... Somehow, back in 1980, he famously jumped on a kukan to the Anglo-Saxons, for which they, 3 years later, in 83, awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize - a standard legalized payment for betraying national interests! laughing
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 19 September 2020 09: 25
      12
      According to Walesa, at the moment Tikhanovskaya needs to organize and wait.

      Wait for the weather by the sea? By the Belarusian Sea! yes The USA will send its squadron to its shores and help! laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 19 September 2020 09: 40
        +8
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        The USA will send its squadron to its shores and help!

        And there will be elections aboard the aircraft carrier
        Walesa noted that Tikhanovskaya today has a chance to hold free elections. But Mr. Walesa did not specify where Tikhanovskaya will conduct them

        I clarified for him laughing
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 19 September 2020 09: 44
          12
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And there will be elections aboard the aircraft carrier

          And as a result:
          "And throws her overboard,
          Into the oncoming wave! " laughing
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 19 September 2020 10: 04
            +9
            Quote: СРЦ П-15

            And as a result:
            "And throws her overboard,
            Into the oncoming wave! "

            And sprinkled with a Newbie?
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 19 September 2020 10: 06
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              And sprinkled with a Newbie?

              If it doesn't drown right away, it will splash
            2. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 19 September 2020 10: 07
              +5
              Quote: Egoza
              And sprinkled with a Newbie?

              Sorry for the fish! laughing
              1. gurzuf
                gurzuf 19 September 2020 10: 28
                14
                You probably are not aware of the fact that those around the victim of the "novice" remain alive and well. So that the fish will not suffer.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 19 September 2020 11: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: gurzuf
                  You probably are not aware of the fact that those around the victim of the "novice" remain alive and well. So that the fish will not suffer.

                  It all started with Salisbury
              2. sabakina
                sabakina 19 September 2020 11: 01
                +1
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Quote: Egoza
                And sprinkled with a Newbie?

                Sorry for the fish! laughing

                Caution, the fish is not crush poison. laughing
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 19 September 2020 10: 06
            30
            What's going on on the site? A user under the nickname "Sergey 32" sent me a link. In this link there is a patriotic clip in defense of Belarus. While I was watching the video, Sergey's comment was deleted. What's happening? What is sedition here? Or a moderator against the reunification of Belarus and Russia? Then why put up such articles at all!
            1. SaLaR
              SaLaR 19 September 2020 10: 32
              +5
              Of course against ... isn't it clear ... the toad crushes many here ... The tale of the old man ... the children and the broom are remembered by many .. that's why they try to dissolve the broom into twigs
            2. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 19 September 2020 10: 53
              -15 qualifying.
              Is it better, instead of a meaningful discussion, to hold here a roll call of the Zaputins-pseudo-patriots?
              You already filled everything with your empty comments.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 19 September 2020 11: 02
                +9
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Is it better, instead of a meaningful discussion, to hold here a roll call of the Zaputins-pseudo-patriots?
                You already filled everything with your empty comments.

                Ruthlessly minus all those who disagree with your position - is this your meaningful discussion? Who filled whom, another big question! They climbed out of all the cracks like flies on ... news from Belarus.
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 19 September 2020 11: 31
                  -14 qualifying.
                  And what is more meaningful in humor?
                  Mercilessly minus everyone who disagrees with your position

                  Firstly, this is a kind of voting. How else to define sentiment here? For this, the pros and cons are.
                  And secondly, you, the Zaputins, are actively involved in this. So sorry - move over ...
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 19 September 2020 11: 53
                    +6
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    Firstly, this is a kind of voting. How else to define sentiment here? For this, the pros and cons are.
                    And secondly, you, the Zaputins, are actively involved in this. So sorry - move over ...

                    Putting minuses is not a vote, but a denial! And a discussion is when you put a minus to your opponent - justify it. And minus just because you are from the opposite camp is from impotence and despair.
                    I will not say for all the pro-Putin people, but personally, I don’t put any cons, from the word "in general"! So you missed here too! yes
                    1. Beringovsky
                      Beringovsky 19 September 2020 12: 28
                      -9
                      Any vote against is a denial. You are not asked at the polling station to "justify your choice"?
                      I did not mean you personally, but the cohort of "Praetorians" who settled here. You are not new here, you know who I mean.
                      By the way, I also do not scatter cons.
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 19 September 2020 11: 34
                +5
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Is it better, instead of a meaningful discussion, to hold here a roll call of the Zaputins-pseudo-patriots?

                I never thought before your comment about the "zapitintsev" who are pseudo-patriots, and the "true patriots" are clear that they are true. Somehow it is not clear who and for whom, but I realized that some are for someone, and others are against someone. And if we apply this to the article about Belarus, then the “Zalukashenkaites” are pseudo-patriots, and the rest are true patriots. Or maybe I'm not catching up with something? I don’t understand who the “zaputins” and who are the “anti-Putinists” are, and how do they differ in this case from “zalukashenka’s” from “protikhanovites”?
                1. Deck
                  Deck 19 September 2020 12: 25
                  +4
                  And if we apply this to an article about Belarus, then we get "Zalukashenka people"


                  In Belarus they are called "yabats"
                2. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 19 September 2020 12: 44
                  -1
                  "Zaputintsy-pseudo-patriots" are those who confuse the interests of Russia with the interests of "Evo Majesty."
                  Some for denyushka, and some for simplicity of heart. About who is xy in Belarus, you need to ask the Belarusians themselves. Do you see a lot of them in the comments?
                  That and that wink
                  1. solzh
                    solzh 19 September 2020 14: 03
                    14
                    Alexey, does Russia have no interests in Belarus?
                    I am not a confused person and not for Lukashenka.
                    But to support a pro-Western protest in Belarus for me is a betrayal of my brothers, Slavs, Belarusians, who voted for Lukashenka in the elections.
                    1. Terrible GMO
                      Terrible GMO 19 September 2020 14: 11
                      -6
                      Quote: solzh
                      But support pro-Western protest

                      The protest is not pro-Western, not pro-Russian. The protest goes against ONE person and the system of lies built by him.

                      Quote: solzh
                      for me there is a betrayal of my brothers Slavs Belarusians who voted for Lukashenka in the elections.

                      And the rest (and the overwhelming majority) that voted against him - is this not a betrayal on your part regarding this part of the population?
                      1. solzh
                        solzh 19 September 2020 14: 14
                        10
                        The majority of the population of the Republic of Belarus voted for Lukashenko. All protests in the Republic are pro-Western in nature. So the minority are enemies. That's all for this.
                      2. Terrible GMO
                        Terrible GMO 19 September 2020 14: 19
                        -4
                        Quote: solzh
                        The majority of the population of the Republic of Belarus voted for Lukashenko

                        laughing
                        Quote: solzh
                        All protests in the Republic are pro-Western in nature

                        Quote: solzh
                        So the minority are enemies.


                        The protest is not pro-Western, not pro-Russian. The protest goes against ONE person and the system of lies built by him.

                        However, your words clearly prove my words and those of Berngovsky about the zombie "zaputintsy".
                        And therefore
                        That's all for this.
                      3. solzh
                        solzh 19 September 2020 14: 27
                        10
                        Quote: TerribleGMO
                        zombie "zaputintsy".

                        This is porridge in your head ... fool
                  2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                    DymOk_v_dYmke 19 September 2020 15: 07
                    +8
                    Quote: TerribleGMO
                    The protest is not pro-Western, not pro-Russian. The protest goes against ONE person and the system of lies built by him.

                    You are not Luke, but you are dissembling.
                    The opposition's policy documents, exposed even before the elections, are clearly anti-Russian.
                    The alleged protest against ONE person provides for the lustration of entire layers of Belarusians: security officials, civil servants, teachers, ... Russian-speaking (with the exception of Russian from the state language), so here you are no longer cunning, but openly lying.
                    You lie (and you and your associates) by substituting it for the young.
                    Older and experienced / thinking horseradish you will deceive.
                    You are not satisfied with the remnants of Sovietness and sociality preserved thanks to, among other things, the efforts of Lukashenka, but not ONE of him.
                    You are afraid to admit this, because afraid to be sent by the majority of the people exactly where you should send.

                    In short, you are leading to a civil one, from which there will be no way out without blood and external control. I guess deliberately. hi
                  3. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 15: 08
                    +4
                    Quote: TerribleGMO
                    The protest is not pro-Western, not pro-Russian. The protest goes against ONE person and the system of lies built by him.

                    If you take a closer look (listen to) the programs of the protest candidates, you will understand that this is a protest "for privatization according to the Russian scenario." At the same time, I understand that Lukashenka pretty much got everyone already. You have a difficult choice between "toad and viper".
                  4. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 19 September 2020 22: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    At the same time, I understand that Lukashenka pretty much got everyone already. You have a difficult choice between "toad and viper".

                    As long as they lived well, arranged, began to live badly, does not triple. But there are two ways out, either with Russia or with the West. Such a small state, does not have the resources for its rather large industry, will not do without help. If with the West, then the West does not need this industry, so it will be removed under a bulldozer. If with Russia, the industry will be in the hands of the Russian oligarchs (although whose question they are), but industry and jobs will remain. Thirdly, the choice is generally small.
              3. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 19 September 2020 14: 12
                0
                Russia certainly has interests. And not only in Belarus. This is clear and correct.
                But why organize a rally here on the website?
                1. solzh
                  solzh 19 September 2020 14: 16
                  +9
                  There is no rally on the site. There are expressions of personal opinions on the situation in Belarus on the site.
                2. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 20 September 2020 18: 18
                  0
                  There are expressions of personal opinions on the situation in Belarus on the site.

                  The moderator decides whether your opinion fits his standard or not.
          3. Terrible GMO
            Terrible GMO 19 September 2020 14: 07
            -1
            About who is xy in Belarus, you need to ask the Belarusians themselves. Do you see a lot of them in the comments?
            So this and that wink

            It is very easy to find Belarus in the comments. Do you see a user without a rank or with a bunch of drawbacks in a topic related to Belarus? With almost one hundred percent chance you have already found it.
            Only nobody wants to listen to us and will not.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 19 September 2020 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      While I was watching the video, Sergey's comment was deleted.

      A selection of couplets on the topic "Putin is to blame" was removed from me
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 20 September 2020 18: 15
      -1
      While I was watching the video, Sergey's comment was deleted. What's happening? What is sedition here? Or moderator against

      One can see the moderator from the past commissioners, he cannot sleep without censorship.
  • Machito
    Machito 19 September 2020 11: 51
    +8
    Key words of Leha Walesa: Belarus move towards Europe from hated Russia, but Europe will not give you anything, take everything from Russia. This db does not even hide anything from the Belarusian skakuas.
    1. solzh
      solzh 19 September 2020 14: 05
      +6
      Quote: Bearded
      This db does not even hide anything from the Belarusian skakuas.

      What for? They play in the open. Specifically they say what they want. They want to extend their influence to Belarus and tear the Republic away from Russia.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 19 September 2020 12: 01
    -4
    Quote: Lipchanin

    I clarified for him laughing

    I see you from Ukraine?
    Let's talk behind a life? laughing
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 19 September 2020 12: 16
      +5
      Quote: Beringovsky
      I see you from Ukraine?

      What fright did Lipetsk get to the outskirts?
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 19 September 2020 13: 04
        0
        I'm not about Lipetsk, I behind asked you. You have a Ukrainian accent lol sorry ...
        I didn’t mean to hook you, man. Just wondering. Maybe they lived there?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 19 September 2020 13: 13
          +2
          Quote: Beringovsky
          I'm not talking about Lipetsk, I asked for you.

          Why are you doing that? "I have all the moves written down"
          I see you from Ukraine?

          Nope
          You have a Ukrainian accent

          Well, how can you determine the accent by the letters on the screen? Teach
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 19 September 2020 14: 20
            0
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Beringovsky
            I see you from Ukraine?

            Nope

            Well, no, no, cross it out ... laughing
            Well, how can you determine the accent by the letters on the screen? Teach

            According to Ukrainianisms. But with you I made a mistake and I apologize!
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  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 19 September 2020 10: 57
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Wait for the weather by the sea? By the Belarusian Sea! The USA will send its squadron to its shores and help!

    After this speech, you can accurately diagnose: Walesa has definitely euromarasm. As for the advice, it is pretty good: Svetiki do nothing and wait for the collapse of Belarus and Russia, which should take place soon. lol lol lol
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 09: 29
    +7
    Quote: Finches
    Walesa in the subject! A great specialist in horse racing ... Once he jumped on a kukan to the Anglo-Saxons - back in 1980, for which they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983 - a standard legalized payment for betrayal!

    Yeltsin jumped a little later, so Putin gave him the Yeltsin Center. You respect Putin, and the Yeltsin Center is not a price to pay for betrayal, is it?
    1. Finches
      Finches 19 September 2020 09: 38
      +5
      Yes! I respect Putin, but you still will not understand this! And the fact that he called there a glass disc named after Yeltsin means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ... I don’t agree with everything, but on the whole I have a positive attitude to Putin’s activities. And how you are always drawn to flood - the conversation in the article is not about Yeltsin or Putin, but about Walesa and Belarus! Are you an hour away from Ukraine? There, too, any conversation, even if it is about treating a distemper in a dog at home, slides into Putin and his hand as a "bloody" dictator laughing
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 10: 19
        19
        Quote: Finches
        the conversation in the article is not about Yeltsin or Putin, but about Walesa and Belarus!

        I just wanted to say that there is no difference between these figures (Walesa and Yeltsin). For some reason we say that Walesa
        famously jumped on the kukan to the Anglo-Saxons
        , but we are silent about the fact that Yeltsin dragged our country there.
        Quote: Finches
        And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin, it means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ..

        We know, but we don't want to admit it. The mausoleum to Lenin was set, among other things, to show the inviolability of the course of the Soviet state, for exactly the same purposes, and the Yeltsin center was set up to show the inviolability of the course chosen by this pro-Western bedding.
        Quote: Finches
        Are you an hour away from Ukraine? There, too, any conversation, even if it is about treating a distemper in a dog at home, slides into Putin and his hand as a "bloody" dictator

        From the Krasnodar Territory. The essence of my commentary boils down to the fact that we see a straw in someone else's eye, and we don't notice a log in ours. What do we care what this retired politician who was rotten a hundred years ago said? Could his words have any real meaning? Is this Trump or Xi Jinping? As if we have few problems in our country.
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 September 2020 10: 23
          +2
          There is no difference between Walesa and Yeltsin! But Putin has nothing to do with it. I notice all that is needed in my own eye, and comparing the Lenin Mausoleum and some fashionable disc stuck in Yekaterinburg is at least not correct! We have a library named after Yeltsin in St. Petersburg, I even work in it from time to time, so what ... This is today's reality, but I believe that time will pass and Boriska will be condemned not only by popular rumor, but also by a court verdict! Unfortunately, this will take time!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 10: 27
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            But Putin has nothing to do with

            He has such a job, it has nothing to do with it.
            1. Finches
              Finches 19 September 2020 10: 31
              +1
              Well, what do you then hang all the dogs on him - if he has something to do with it? Not logical somehow! And I respect him for his decisions and deeds that have affected me personally, my family, my colleagues and those aspects of human life in which I take part in one way or another!
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 19 September 2020 11: 36
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                ... I respect him for his decisions and deeds that have affected me personally, my family, my colleagues and those aspects of human life in which I take part in one way or another!

                And what does Putin have to do with it?
                Quote: Finches
                Putin has nothing to do with
            2. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 19 September 2020 11: 34
              +1
              Putin always has something to do with it - the cat abandoned the kittens, it is Putin's fault.
              If the member is short,
              This is Putin's fault.
              Well, if it's too long,
              Putin is to blame again.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 19 September 2020 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: mikstepanenko
                Putin always has something to do with it

                It became scary to live terribly:
                He is everywhere - this Putin!
                What is not sitting in the Kremlin?
                Putin wanders along the border
                Knead Devil's dough
                From seizures and protests.
                Every first grader knows -
                This is Putin in the Donbass
                Alfa lured into a trap,
                In Kramatorsk he burned a "turntable"
                And in a moment
                The ATM broke with Beni.
                He attacked the TV tower,
                He brought a tire to the checkpoint.
                Fought off under Soledar
                Putin has six attacks for a reason:
                Hidden in the mine - Putin knew -
                Arsenal of weapons!
                Putin is in an APC with a "gun".
                Putin - in the image of an old woman
                Borsch cooked to the separatists,
                And dumplings - to terrorists.
                Putin is wearing a mask. Putin is wearing a helmet.
                It is he who exaggerates!
                Both in form and in essence
                He is among us. Putin is everywhere.
                Yes, and in their ranks, it seems,
                Putin made a mess of it, too.
                Putin naughty the junta -
                Well, he started riots,
                I braided everything like ivy -
                Almighty and omnipresent.
                You can't sleep. Close your eyelashes -
                Then Putin will dream.
                Don't run away. Putin is everywhere.
                It became scary to live to the point
              2. solzh
                solzh 19 September 2020 14: 10
                +9
                Quote: mikstepanenko
                Putin always has something to do with it

                Putin is the president of Russia, which means he is to blame for the mess that is happening in our country.
        2. poquello
          poquello 19 September 2020 12: 01
          -4
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          but we are silent about the fact that Yeltsin dragged our country there.

          but because Yeltsin dragged the country here from here, then everything is visible
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          As if we have few problems in our country.

          the golden phrase of all businessmen, spies and agents, very informative
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 12: 48
            +4
            Quote: poquello
            the golden phrase of all businessmen, spies and agents, very informative

            How well you said, but in general it is very convenient to write down all those who disagree with your opinion either in bulk, or in liberals, now in spies and agents of the State Department. Is not it?
            1. poquello
              poquello 19 September 2020 12: 52
              -3
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: poquello
              the golden phrase of all businessmen, spies and agents, very informative

              How well you said, but in general it is very convenient to write down all those who disagree with your opinion either in bulk, or in liberals, now in spies and agents of the State Department. Is not it?

              no, not true, there are still disagreements who are able to explain what they disagree with
            2. solzh
              solzh 19 September 2020 14: 12
              +5
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              In general, it is very convenient to write all those who disagree with your opinion either in bulk or in liberals, now in spies and agents of the State Department.

              I also met in the comments accusations of working for 125 convoy wassat
      2. demo
        demo 19 September 2020 11: 20
        +6
        Yes! I respect Putin, but you still cannot understand this!
        Respect for a person is usually based on merit. Or in front of you, personally, or in front of people (people), as in our case.
        If you respect him for making you personally happy, that's one thing.
        And no other is given.
        And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ...
        So the Russian people should be notified about these "reasons"!
        Moreover, for the money of the people, this glass disc was cut off.
        And on the money of the people, this hotbed of bastards exists.
        And for the money of the people, the servants of this abomination on our people spew lies.

        So that you do not have the desire to accuse me of the fact that I, like "Pavlov's dog", trigger reflexes at the word Yeltsin, and it was about Walesa, I will say briefly.

        Walesa says things that shouldn't be said (you should never inform your opponents about the methods of preparing the attack and the place of the strike).
        He said - it means that the old man has survived from his mind.
        1. malyvalv
          malyvalv 19 September 2020 13: 48
          +3
          Quote: demo
          And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ...

          Yes, it's just there. Putin has a special relationship with friends and family friends. Naina Yeltsin stayed and had to be respected and paid a debt of gratitude. And then he remembers that in the 90s he was no different ideologically from Yeltsin. Therefore, he was appointed. It was already in the mid-2000s that Putin had a somersault with changing shoes.
        2. solzh
          solzh 19 September 2020 14: 19
          +9
          Quote: demo
          He said - it means that the old man has survived from his mind.

          Not. All of them in the West speak openly about their goals in Belarus. They didn't survive mad, no. They just don't fear us and don't consider us serious opponents.
      3. snake
        snake 19 September 2020 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Yes! I respect Putin, but you still cannot understand this!

        Why do you respect him specifically is understandable. You live well with him and you are comparing this time and the 90s. But you don't realize that constantly comparing the standard of living with the 90s is a dead-end thinking.
        Quote: Finches
        And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ...

        It already smacks of a new religion. He knows everything, foresees everything ... And if He does something, then undoubtedly for important reasons known only to Him. Everything is His will!
      4. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 12: 41
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ...

        Apparently the Anglo-Saxons forced him. You could ask if you don't know, I would tell you. laughing
    2. Ivan Tixiy
      Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 10: 19
      +9
      I wonder who to respect if not Putin? Announce the entire list of pzhalst! As for Walesa, this is a typical destroyer. Where is the shipyard plant where he "fought for the rights" of the workers? Are there any work orders? Just don't talk about rich and powerful Poland. Poland sits on subsidies from the EU and financial handouts from the United States, in debt a little less than Ukraine. All this was laid by Walesa.
      1. solzh
        solzh 19 September 2020 14: 23
        +7
        Quote: Ivan Tixiy
        whom to respect if not Putin? Announce the entire list of pzhalst!

        Each person has their own personal preferences. Someone respects Zhirik, someone does not respect anyone.
        Rashkin good
        1. Ivan Tixiy
          Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 14: 54
          0
          You are ashamed to admit who YOU ​​respect.
          1. solzh
            solzh 19 September 2020 15: 07
            +7
            You have not read my comment carefully.
            1. Ivan Tixiy
              Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 15: 40
              0
              Words words
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 19 September 2020 16: 46
        +2
        Quote: Ivan Tixiy
        I wonder who to respect if not Putin? Announce the entire list of pzhalst!

        No problem.
        Putin.
        Rotenbergs.
        Deripaska.
        Matvienka.
        Tereshkova (for multiplication by zero)
        Rogozin (for wit)
        Volodin.
        Sands (for the mustache)
        Gundyaev.
        Kiselev (by the hands)
        Soloviev.
        Nabiullina (three times, but not at night)
        Zolotov
        And then on the consolidated list of Forbes and United Russia ...
        1. Ivan Tixiy
          Ivan Tixiy 21 September 2020 10: 12
          0
          I still do not understand who to respect? If Putin is "not for what", whom? And your list is the captain's list from Treasure Island - I don't like it at all. I cannot say that I am in love with Putin and that he has no shortcomings. But tell me who? Who deserves more respect? Stalin's not to call it is understandable.
    3. solzh
      solzh 19 September 2020 14: 09
      +8
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Yeltsin jumped a little later, so Putin gave him the Yeltsin Center

      Putin is the heir and successor of the EBN case. Therefore, they built a center named after ebn, which is one of the main traitors in the history of our people. They even wanted to open a branch in the capital, I don't know whether they have already opened it or not.
  • figwam
    figwam 19 September 2020 09: 46
    13
    Quote: Finches
    Walesa in the subject! Great horse racing specialist

    Before becoming a mongrel in the United States, Lech Walesa was an electrician, and this electrician gives advice to a housewife on how to run the country.
    1. Finches
      Finches 19 September 2020 09: 48
      +9
      Looks like he was a dick ... not a very good electrician, but he knew how to swing, according to the idea Tikhanovskaya should do it better ... laughing
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 19 September 2020 09: 57
      +4
      Quote: figvam
      this electrician gives advice to a housewife on how to run the country.

      His brother-in-law, sees from afar
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 September 2020 10: 08
      12
      Quote: figvam
      Lech Walesa was an electrician before becoming a mongrel

      ... and snitching the Security Service of the NDP. So it goes....

      And this is not "reasonable suspicions" like Dalia Grybauskaite and the KGB, here are real documents, including a commitment to cooperation promulgated by the "Institute of National Memory of Poland"
    4. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 19 September 2020 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: figvam
      Walesa was an electrician

      It's not 220V, it's 380V! So he got into politics!
      1. dauria
        dauria 19 September 2020 13: 23
        +1
        It's not 220V, it's 380V!


        It is the same . And is in one dashboard. And it always shies 220 ... laughing
        Because rarely does anyone have time to grab the second phase wire, grasping the first. wink It is necessary to try.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 19 September 2020 13: 38
          0
          Quote: dauria
          we must try.

          He's an electrician! I shorted out three phases at once!
    5. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 10: 25
      +5
      Quote: figvam
      Before becoming a mongrel in the United States, Lech Walesa was an electrician, and this electrician gives advice to a housewife on how to run the country.

      If you have forgotten, then Stalin was a half-educated seminarian, Zhukov was a furrier, and there are many examples.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 19 September 2020 11: 50
        -3
        It should be added - Putin was an ordinary KGB officer and he wasn’t in the economy. Perhaps the cook would have figured it out better, judging by the results of 20 years of unfortunate "management".
        1. poquello
          poquello 19 September 2020 12: 39
          -1
          Quote: Beringovsky
          It should be added - Putin was an ordinary KGB officer and he wasn’t in the economy. Perhaps the cook would have figured it out better, judging by the results of 20 years of unfortunate "management".

          Duc tell us "meaningfully" about grief management
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 12: 44
            -3
            Quote: poquello
            Duc tell us "meaningfully" about grief management

            And what is there to tell, look out the window, walk on foot, you will see everything for yourself.
            1. poquello
              poquello 19 September 2020 12: 47
              -2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: poquello
              Duc tell us "meaningfully" about grief management

              And what is there to tell, look out the window, walk on foot, you will see everything for yourself.

              every day I go, and Bentleys, Porsches and other rarities are driving by
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 12: 52
                +1
                Quote: poquello
                every day I go, and Bentleys, Porsches and other rarities are driving by

                Of course, I'm glad for the owners of Porsches and Bentleys, but ordinary people who can only take a lousy grant on credit are much closer to me.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 19 September 2020 13: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: poquello
                  every day I go, and Bentleys, Porsches and other rarities are driving by

                  Of course, I'm glad for the owners of Porsches and Bentleys, but ordinary people who can only take a lousy grant on credit are much closer to me.

                  okay, now in an ordinary house I looked out the window: WW, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Honda, Toyota, I can't see the brand further
              2. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 19 September 2020 14: 00
                +1
                Quote: poquello

                every day I go, and Bentleys, Porsches and other rarities are driving by

                Do you walk around Rublevka, or what? Or around the State Duma? Everyone knows that in 20 years under Putin the number of oligarchs and successful state officials has increased many times. But is this an indicator of development? In some African country, there will certainly be
                bentleys, porsches and other rarities

                And what about the general level? Well, since you are talking about cars, then let's compare with our neighbors from Eastern Europe to compare the success.
                So, per 1000 inhabitants - Poland / 571 cars, Estonia / 534, Lithuania / 456, Bulgaria / 443, Latvia / 381, Belarus / 324 (!). Russia - 309!
                How is it that, selling a huge amount of hydrocarbons, timber, metal and other raw materials, we were below all these countries?
                Yes, this is Putin's undoubted achievement. Who else would do this? Selling so much raw materials and having such a poor population is very difficult, you have to try hard. laughing
                1. poquello
                  poquello 19 September 2020 14: 38
                  -4
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky (Alexey) Today, 14:00 New
                  0

                  Quote: poquello
                  "every day I go, and Bentleys, Porsches and other rarities are driving by"

                  Do you walk around Rublevka, or what? Or around the State Duma?

                  ahem, I'm not in Moscow)
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Everyone knows that in 20 years under Putin the number of oligarchs and successful state officials has increased many times. But is this an indicator of development?

                  oligarchs actually fly in helicopters, joint venture private traders who are doing fine on Lexus and Land Rovers (is this a fashion?), the rest who are in what, but now they went out for cigarettes - they saw a grant), well, besides her, there is also a Mercedes like Swayze's, Porsche from Mostvanteda, Infinity, Renault, Fords, etc., there are a lot of "successful government officials." )
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  And what about the general level? Well, since you are talking about cars, then let's compare with our neighbors from Eastern Europe to compare the success.

                  let's

                  look at the 1st column
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  have such a poor population

                  what is the poor population?
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 19 September 2020 15: 43
                    +3
                    And how does this picture refute my words? Or 48th place, far behind Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, etc. is it worthy of a Great Energy Power?
                    By the way, quality should be taken into account together with quantity, because almost half of our fleet is domestic cars. And Lada Granta is never a Volkswagen golf.
                    what is the poor population?

                    Oh, yes, how did I forget! Putin said from a high rostrum that the salary of 17 thousand rubles (180 €) is middle class... And we all complain.
                    Pysy. Interestingly, Putin exactly imagines these 17 thousand rubles? Did he accidentally confuse them with the Jews? laughing
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 19 September 2020 21: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      And how does this picture refute my words? Or 48th place, far behind Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, etc. is it worthy of a Great Energy Power?

                      well, there is Poland next to Germany, ett, in general, like an ass and a finger))))))))))), and Moldova next to Spain just touches))))))))))), and in the first place the state with the population of the city of Vilyuchinsk)))))))))))))))
                2. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 14: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Yes, this is Putin's undoubted achievement. Who else would do this? Selling so much raw materials and having such a poor population is very difficult, you have to try hard.

                  You utterly in vain slander Putin, for your friends he is very effective, look at the Forbes list, and they are the same "population".
      2. Goscha
        Goscha 19 September 2020 12: 05
        +8
        After Stalin's death, a library remained - more than 10 thousand volumes, mainly technical, on metal science, chemistry, etc. moreover, with numerous marks in the margins, i.e. not just dumbly leafing through, but studying the subject. And how many textbooks do you need to graduate from a university? One hundred, two hundred? Stalin had encyclopedic knowledge, so he spoke on equal terms with aircraft builders, designers and other specialists, which is confirmed by his contemporaries
      3. poquello
        poquello 19 September 2020 12: 34
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: figvam
        Before becoming a mongrel in the United States, Lech Walesa was an electrician, and this electrician gives advice to a housewife on how to run the country.

        If you have forgotten, then Stalin was a half-educated seminarian, Zhukov was a furrier, and there are many examples.

        Zhukov at the age of 19 and then was in the army, and Walesa was an electrician at 37, is this how we throw poop at ease?
      4. solzh
        solzh 19 September 2020 14: 26
        +9
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Stalin was a dropout seminarian

        Stalin was engaged in self-development all his life. And thanks to his desire for knowledge, he became a Person of a world scale.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 September 2020 15: 01
          +4
          Quote: solzh
          Stalin was engaged in self-development all his life. And thanks to his desire for knowledge, he became a Person of a world scale.

          What I wanted to say, no matter who I was, it is important who I became.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 September 2020 11: 12
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    83rd was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize - a standard legalized payment for betrayal of national interests!

    Excellent remark, "payment for betrayal," and "service to the west."
  • iouris
    iouris 19 September 2020 13: 52
    -1
    Quote: Finches
    Walesa in the subject!

    Most of all they fear for the Belarusians in Kiev. Now one more authoritative opinion of the "reformer" ("you are strong, boatswain, the torpedo passed by!").
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 September 2020 16: 48
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Walesa in the subject! Great horse racing specialist ...
    In fairness, it is worth noting his sound thoughts:
    Thus, in an interview with TVN 24, which aired on March 1, 2013, Lech Walesa said that homosexual deputies in the Polish parliament should sit separately from other deputies, and even behind a wall.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 September 2020 18: 45
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In fairness, it is worth noting his sound thoughts:

      Note: under the US government, something Walesa is in no hurry to realize his thoughts - he did not organize a single strike.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 September 2020 09: 28
    +5
    It's too early to give the Tikhanov Peace Prize - she hasn't worked yet.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 19 September 2020 09: 41
      +4
      Quote: Pavel57
      hasn't worked yet.

      Did you fry a few cutlets? lol
    2. Finches
      Finches 19 September 2020 09: 42
      +2
      Moravetsky is in the subject, not all of his fantasies she embodied ... laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 19 September 2020 09: 58
        +2
        A fan of the housewife was dancing here.
        Minuses everyone who does not praise her cutlets laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 September 2020 10: 00
          +6
          These are Belarusian white-ribbon workers - they are offended for the Anglo-Saxon state! laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 19 September 2020 10: 09
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            These are Belarusian white-ribbon workers - they are offended for the Anglo-Saxon state!

            They are offended for everyone, who is not for Belarus
            1. fn34440
              fn34440 19 September 2020 11: 16
              +6
              "] They are offended for everyone, who is not for Belarus"
              In the struggle with Russia for geopolitical influence and with Belarus for possession of it, "imperial" Poland is more interested in, since the Middle Ages waging a battle with the Muscovites and even once in the XNUMXth century briefly seized the Kremlin. The events in Belarus seem to have become an X-hour for Poland and for the West in general. Either they "take" this country, or it clings more tightly to Russia and there will be no turning back. The worst dream of the West after the collapse of the USSR.

              Poland sees itself as an empire again. It is not for nothing that on the eve of the presidential elections in Belarus, she signed the so-called Second Union of Lublin with Lithuania and Ukraine. Let it be a symbol, because the signatory countries are still independent, but very significant, especially in the struggle for Belarus, which was once part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
              So different Walesa croak, teaching stupid Tikhanovskaya NEVER go out to the microphone without a prepared piece of paper with the text sketched out by the owners.
            2. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 19 September 2020 12: 55
              0
              They are offended for everyone, who is not for Belarus

              What kind of Belarus is there. The white-red-white flag of Belarus in the wind periodically becomes Polish. A little "wind of change" and the Poles are right there. And it will always be like this, as soon as there is a white-red-white flag on the streets. And nothing else.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 19 September 2020 13: 03
                0
                Quote: Interlocutor
                ... And nothing else.

                Completely extinguished, but this is closer and clearer to me
                1. Interlocutor
                  Interlocutor 19 September 2020 13: 07
                  0
                  I like the Belarusian Autonomous Okrug)))))))))
                2. Free wind
                  Free wind 21 September 2020 08: 15
                  -1
                  Original and symbolic, the Belaz stands on the box, that is, it is unable to move.
        2. Rage66
          Rage66 19 September 2020 10: 36
          +3
          Also noticed ... I walked like an inexorable hurricane in my comments, not even connected with Guaidovskaya what
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 September 2020 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: Pavel57
      It's too early to give the Tikhanov Peace Prize - she hasn't worked yet.

      Delov something! They'll give Navalny. request
      1. Finches
        Finches 19 September 2020 10: 10
        +5
        Navalny is probably now crying in a hospital bed in Charite and tearing a hospital shirt on his sunken chest - "I should be in her place!" laughing
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 19 September 2020 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          Navalny is probably now crying in a hospital bed in Charite and tearing a hospital shirt on his sunken chest - "I should be in her place!" laughing

          He does not cry or tear anything. The Nobel Prize shines for him for world peace! On the news the news flashed ... wink
          1. Finches
            Finches 19 September 2020 11: 17
            0
            No, he wants the local primier to announce him at least something in Poland and give him the keys to the hotel room, where to come in the evening ... tongue
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 19 September 2020 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        Delov something! They'll give Navalny.

        Already given. I fell into a coma with joy
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 19 September 2020 11: 00
        +5
        Bulk outdone them all. He has not yet ruined a single country, but has already been nominated for Noblevka in the World. In addition, he accidentally discovered the antidote from Novichok - village moonshine. Therefore, he is not afraid to return to Russia. lol
        1. poquello
          poquello 19 September 2020 12: 44
          -2
          Quote: siberalt
          Bulk outdone them all. He has not yet ruined a single country, but has already been nominated for Noblevka in the World. In addition, he accidentally discovered the antidote from Novichok - village moonshine. Therefore, he is not afraid to return to Russia. lol

          he didn’t open the antidote, he opened the newbie, tried the first, well, not with his flimsy mug to drink the first
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 19 September 2020 12: 51
          0
          Quote: siberalt
          In addition, he accidentally discovered the antidote from Novichok - village moonshine. Therefore, he is not afraid to return to Russia.

          What? Will he be allowed back? Maybe let him be a bird of the world? Let the EU and the US contain it, but outside of Russia
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 19 September 2020 09: 29
    15
    what can I say ... the locksmith who became president supports the housewife in her aspiration ...
    just let's think ... a man (behind whom stood the west) shook the country and ruined his shipyards for all time, which employed tens of thousands of workers who believed him ...
    a person pragmatically (huckster and very Polish) argues ... yes, it is necessary to take Belarus ... but Europe will not economically pull it yet ... the industry will be ruined and they will not be able to give people a decent life in return ... well, this is understandable to everyone except wow young people who have not done anything in their little worthless life so far ... but already dissatisfied ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 19 September 2020 09: 41
      +3
      locksmith turned president

      - ELECTRIC IS THE ELITE SLAVE CLASS IN 60-80GG
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 19 September 2020 09: 47
        +3
        there was irony in my comment
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 19 September 2020 10: 06
          +3
          and I have an irony about the elite
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 19 September 2020 09: 53
        10
        Quote: antivirus
        locksmith turned president

        - ELECTRIC IS THE ELITE SLAVE CLASS IN 60-80GG


        Not right. Strength is a haberdasher and a cardinal. Classic formula.
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 19 September 2020 10: 03
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        locksmith turned president

        - ELECTRIC IS THE ELITE SLAVE CLASS IN 60-80GG

    2. Campanella
      Campanella 19 September 2020 10: 12
      +1
      The finished dude! With a worm's outlook!
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 19 September 2020 09: 33
    -4
    Ex-President of Poland: “If Belarus jumps towards Europe by winter, Russia will simply turn off the tap”
    foolI (about the boo. President of Poland) I will not even comment on this garbage.
    Z. Lukashenko doesn't care fool
    You don't need to play strategist with your stupidity and stupidity. In our not calm time. (And this is me for Lukashenka):
  • Dude
    Dude 19 September 2020 09: 41
    10
    According to the ex-president of Poland, while Europe is not ready to give Belarus neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes.

    Has this locksmith become a political scientist? They already put him on absenteeism at the cemetery, but he, look, has lost his heart!
    Europe never will not be ready to give Belarus neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity - they themselves do not have enough request
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 19 September 2020 10: 14
      +2
      I wanted to remind myself and earn money for medicines.
    2. solzh
      solzh 19 September 2020 14: 33
      +7
      Quote: Dude
      Europe will never be ready to give Belarus neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity - they themselves do not have enough

      USA to bring its LNG tankers to the shores of Belarus yes
  • Egoza
    Egoza 19 September 2020 09: 45
    +6
    Another advisor was found! "If by winter ... a leap towards Europe" .... And if vice versa? Towards Russia and forever? Does the pan not provide for this option?
  • unhappy
    unhappy 19 September 2020 09: 54
    +9
    Nobel Peace Prize - it has become a political label (..with low social responsibility). Shameful reward negative
  • sabakina
    sabakina 19 September 2020 09: 55
    +1
    According to Walesa, at the moment Tikhanovskaya needs to organize and wait.

    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 September 2020 11: 17
      +3

      sabakina (Vyacheslav (Russia))
      Today, 09: 55
      NEW
      +1
      According to Walesa, at the moment Tikhanovskaya needs to organize and wait.
      And that is from Tikhanovskaya, is not it? wink
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 September 2020 10: 00
    +2
    According to the ex-president of Poland, while Europe is not ready to provide Belarus with neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes.

    And he never will. But the carrot on the string saves - the magic word "bye". request
  • bukhach
    bukhach 19 September 2020 10: 03
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Another advisor was found! "If by winter ... a leap towards Europe" .... And if vice versa? Towards Russia and forever? Does the pan not provide for this option?

    Then the Poles will denounce stupid Belarusians and urge them to become smart and return to the arms of noble Europeans.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 19 September 2020 10: 07
    +2
    Why do all these forecasters think that the people of Belarus dream of being in the place of the Ukrainians. Europe does not need another Belarus, this is an axiom!
    1. solzh
      solzh 19 September 2020 14: 35
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      Why do all these predictors think that the people of Belarus dream of being in the place of the Ukrainians?

      Because the fortunetellers want to yes
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 September 2020 10: 08
    +3
    laughing No matter how the same rug of europe is turned off the tap laughing
  • Campanella
    Campanella 19 September 2020 10: 10
    +3
    These are very, very stupid electricians who break normal states, turning them into appendages of the capitalist empire of evil.
    There is no Europe without Ukraine and Belarus? I wonder who he sees as Ukraine and Belarus in Europe?
    Stupid piece of sick brain this Walesa! He finished off the shipyard, and he will finish off Ukraine and Belarus with his advice.
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 10: 12
    +1
    Walesa is only silent about the consequences of the "leap to Europe" for the population of Belarus and the state as a whole. Poland needs Belarus only as a lining between Poland and Russia "cordon sanitaire", a labor market, a reserve of "brains" (it was not for nothing that the Balts of IT were lured to themselves)
    1. karpusha
      karpusha 19 September 2020 10: 24
      -1
      What does lured mean? This Lukashenok went off the rails and showed that there are no laws in the country capable of protecting business. So the business ran in all directions. By the way, many are transferring companies to the Russian Federation.
      1. Ivan Tixiy
        Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 11: 01
        +1
        Let it be so ...... "Lukashenka went crazy." And he has no reason for this? In order to "fly off the coils"? The Belarusian business did the same as the Russian one on the eve of the revolutions ..... supporting the "revolutionaries" what did the same business lead to?
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 19 September 2020 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: Ivan Tixiy
          Let it be so ...... "Lukashenka went crazy." And he has no reason for this? In order to "fly off the coils"? The Belarusian business did the same as the Russian one on the eve of the revolutions ..... supporting the "revolutionaries" what did the same business lead to?

          To yachts, real estate abroad, huge accounts in Western banks, to power in general.
          What did you think for?
          1. Ivan Tixiy
            Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 12: 16
            +1
            Well, yes, there was no place for Belarus in this list. And not all of the sponsors of the revolutions live up to the yachts, real estate, power, and to use the accounts, too, not all but a few, such is their fate.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 19 September 2020 15: 57
              +2
              Quote: Ivan Tixiy
              And not all of the sponsors of the revolutions survive to the yachts, real estate, power, and to use the accounts, too, not all but a few, such is their fate.

              Funny ...
              Well, who of the Ukrainian oligarchs did not live after 14 years to the present day? Except for Yanukovych himself, of course.
              Of course, I'm not particularly aware of Ukrainian reality, but in my opinion almost all of them are safe and sound and with money. Or can you give numerous examples to the contrary?
              1. Ivan Tixiy
                Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 16: 40
                0
                Well, firstly, not a revolution but a coup, and secondly, yes, they live happily ever after, but it's not over yet. However, they did not spend the main money. So the current Belarusian tampering with the American budget costs a specific figure and its first version has already been named. Everything as usual. Mr. Krupp and his comrades were also accused of financing Adolf Aloizevich, only then it turned out that their money was "pocket change" in comparison with the sums poured into the Nazis by the Americans
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 19 September 2020 17: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Ivan Tixiy
                  Well, first of all, not a revolution, but a coup

                  Is there a real revolution in Belarus? People's? Not a coup?
                  secondly, yes, they live happily ever after, but it's not over yet

                  Six years have passed, for a long time something is getting dark.
                  the current Belarusian tampering with the American budget costs a specific figure and its first version has already been named

                  Yes, what a garbage. They quarantined 6 tricks in six months. What do they need a couple of billions of? They won't even notice.
                  1. Ivan Tixiy
                    Ivan Tixiy 21 September 2020 10: 09
                    0
                    According to information published by the US media, the curator of Svetlana Tikhanovskaya is Marcus Micheli. The man began working in the American Foreign Service back in 1991. In 2020, he ceased to hold the post of US Consul General in Yekaterinburg.
        2. karpusha
          karpusha 19 September 2020 12: 19
          +1
          You don't know much about business in Belarus. People come to you and ask to transfer all the proceeds to the budget in the name of the revolution. Refuse - you will be left without money and without a business. This was the case before the elections. Now it has intensified.
          1. Ivan Tixiy
            Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 12: 42
            +2
            Ha, ha .... You don't know anything about business. In "European" Ukraine, this is the norm, they can still convincingly "ask" to pay taxes for five years in advance and then "forget" ... This is not counting the "roofers from the district police officer to the firefighter, who simply become" on allowance ", and even demand to cover glades for commissions.And you there are worried about some kind of revenue
            1. karpusha
              karpusha 19 September 2020 13: 47
              +1
              Sounds the same as ours. Why does Ukraine pop up in any topic about Belarus?
              1. Ivan Tixiy
                Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 14: 00
                0
                Because Belarus now has a "Ukrainian" choice. Or you negotiate with Russia on normal terms and you are treated with respect. At the same time, you do not lose sales markets and raw materials at a normal price. Or you are led from the US and EU embassies through the colonial administration in the person of the Tikhanovskys and others. At the same time, the cunning guys from the EU will not undertake any obligations. But you will be entangled so that even your great-grandchildren will have to.
                1. karpusha
                  karpusha 19 September 2020 14: 18
                  +1
                  The most important thing is that people voted against Lukashenka. At the time of joining the EU, slogans were not sounded in principle. People wanted to leave everything as it is only without Lukashenka. No sudden movements to the east or west. You listen more to Lukashenka who scares you with non-existent programs of support, NATO and so on. Yesterday he frightened the population with Russia (Wagner's and Babariko's). Today he scares the west. Tomorrow the people will release their grip on his throat and he will again begin to blame Russia
                  1. Ivan Tixiy
                    Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 15: 03
                    0
                    Nobody scares you. I personally tell you how it will be. In a few years, the whole country will be "brainwashed", you will hate Russians and Russia. You will be like Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, comparable to Le Soto and Mozambique. Deliver your girls to brothels in Europe and Asia, laborers in the EU. The pride of Belarus, tractor, belaz, etc. will be sold for scrap because slaves do not need mechanical engineering ... However, like the shipyard of the same Walesa. The plant where I worked half of my life, machine-building. long gone bankrupt and then sold for scrap. We were on duty for several nights at the loading station, buying out machines. The owner "raised" only on the metal 1, 5 lemma dead American presidents. However, to end the discussion, I’ll say you don’t want to learn from other people's mistakes, who are you doctor. Forward to “freedom” in “European” and “democracy” in American.
                    1. karpusha
                      karpusha 19 September 2020 15: 30
                      +1
                      You have already registered me as a supporter of the West and predicted collapse. But Lukashenka will destroy the country much faster and the girls will go to the panel of the Moscow region. He almost destroyed it. Another half a year or a year and a complete collapse.
                      1. Ivan Tixiy
                        Ivan Tixiy 19 September 2020 15: 40
                        0
                        God forbid! I did not write you down anywhere. It's up to you only who what and how. I said about the choice and nothing more. The third is not given here. Or go to bed in the full sense of the EU, read the US (Europe since 1945, a US colony) or negotiate with Russia. You just need to remember that the West needs a cordon sanitaire, a sales market and a reserve of labor ... (look at Ukraine) And you can negotiate with Russia and ALMOST on an equal footing
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 19 September 2020 21: 28
                        0
                        Quote: karpusha
                        You have already registered me as a supporter of the West and predicted collapse. But Lukashenka will destroy the country much faster and the girls will go to the panel of the Moscow region.

                        oh how, the happiness of a short memory, the girls there already went to the panel, in the 90s, because then there was nothing to do there
                      3. karpusha
                        karpusha 19 September 2020 21: 56
                        0
                        Yeah, tell me. There were even more of yours. Enough of these mantras about the 90s, NATO, sores and so on.
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 19 September 2020 23: 51
                        0
                        Quote: karpusha
                        Yeah, tell me. There were even more of yours. Enough of these mantras about the 90s, NATO, sores and so on.

                        And what not to tell then, colleagues on business then went, their verdict - except for prostitutes, there is nothing specifically.
  • HAM
    HAM 19 September 2020 10: 15
    +8
    ".... Organize and wait. Belarus must move towards a democratic Europe ...."

    1. solzh
      solzh 19 September 2020 14: 38
      +6
      Quote: HAM
      ".... Organize and wait. Belarus must move towards a democratic Europe ...."


      It is strange that the West has not yet abolished the white color ... It is somehow not tolerant ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 September 2020 10: 19
    +2
    The former electrician president (who did he work for?) Gives advice to the opposition on how to destroy the country and bring it to Europe. But at the same time warns
    Europe is not ready to supply Belarus with neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes
    so spin as you can and wait, wait. We (Poles) will also wait a bit, but we will wait for Western Belarus to withdraw to us.
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 10: 27
    +3
    Funny pole
    while Europe is not ready to give Belarus neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes.

    It's like, "No money, but you're holding on!" But there is as much democracy as you like.
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 September 2020 10: 33
    +3
    Found each other two loneliness one electrician second housewife.Valense does not need to press advice, but go to the grave of Wojciech Jaruzelski and fall on her knees in front of her and bow down with the words Thank you Wojciech.In November 81g Jaruzelski introduced martial law in Poland and assured our leadership that he would cope with the riots. The troops along the perimeter of Poland were ready to set up a second Czechoslovakia there.68 My unit on that cold November day was no longer in the boxes, but in the dorgs and was waiting for an order to move to Poland. By evening, an order was received to return to the boxes. We had to dismantle the walkie-talkies, which closed the loopholes, put the KSHU in place. Over the years, it seems in vain they returned us to the boxes. soldier
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 September 2020 10: 47
    0
    ..... who turned out to be a KGB informant
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 19 September 2020 10: 49
    -1
    Right now, everyone is waiting for a tsunami from the States. The wave will pass, we will decide what to organize ... with those who remain ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 19 September 2020 10: 53
    +2
    Nothing will close our authorities so far, even Bandera's 404 have not blocked anything.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 19 September 2020 11: 10
      +2
      The goal of Poland and its symbol, Adolf Aloizovich Walesa, is the revival of the Commonwealth.
      And there is not enough land, forests, swamps and rivers of Belarus to achieve this GEOPOLITICAL Polish dream.
      The day before yesterday, a very symbolic joint meeting of the governments of Lithuania and Poland took place in Vilnius. It demonstrated complete ideological unity in the fight against eastern enemies - Belarus and Russia.

      The Prime Ministers of Poland and Lithuania Mateusz Morawiecki and Saulius Skvernelis signed a declaration, which reads: “We support the striving of the Belarusian people to live in a free and democratic country, with the leadership of leaders who would be elected in free and fair elections.”

      They called for "free and democratic elections to be held as soon as possible" in Belarus. The declaration says that "Lithuania and Poland have agreed to more actively coordinate these efforts, including at all international forums."
      Here and Walesa and podvyavivaet because of his fading senile vocal cords.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 September 2020 11: 58
        -1
        They will start on Monday. Yesterday, on Friday, we talked a lot with the Belarusians. Together and separately. Now, on weekends, they digest, they blow their brains. I'm waiting for Monday! hi
  • Alien From
    Alien From 19 September 2020 11: 09
    +1
    The exes love to play ...
  • AB
    AB 19 September 2020 11: 13
    0
    An illiterate 77-year-old senile man who accidentally got into history.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 September 2020 11: 53
    0
    This is what is said in the notes of Archdeacon Pavel Alepsky, who accompanied the trip of Patriarch Macarius of Antioch to Russia in the middle of the XNUMXth century. And he clearly writes there that all this "Polish gentry" are the descendants of the French conquerors of the crusaders.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 19 September 2020 12: 02
    +1
    Shaw to say here .... an experienced person gives good advice.
    It makes no sense to speculate about who he is to us.
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 September 2020 12: 19
      +2
      Yes, you can and probably can give advice, but what and how to do will not be decided by Tikhanovskaya ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 September 2020 12: 46
        +1
        Well, yes, he will read the prompter, well if he doesn't mess up anything .... everything is clear there.
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 September 2020 13: 23
          +1
          I repeat, I even feel sorry for her in the "meat grinder" in full ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 September 2020 13: 26
            +1
            It seems like she went for her husband, this is understandable, even commendable! But, the bird stuck its claw into such a sticky substance that now it is not clear how it will end for her. Out of mind ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 September 2020 16: 16
              +2
              And now he doesn't know how to get out of this ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 September 2020 18: 57
                +1
                But I don’t know, maybe this way, maybe that way.
                Tsuzui brains, darkness.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 19 September 2020 20: 34
                  +2
                  Brains, yes, but there is continuous working off under supervision ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 19 September 2020 21: 44
                    +1
                    Everyone has a choice ... she is not a passed pawn. Everyone will forget about her, to her joy, as you might expect.
  • cniza
    cniza 19 September 2020 12: 08
    +3
    According to Lech Walesa, Tikhanovskaya today should know the “main thing” - “there is no Europe without Belarus, without Ukraine.


    Without Russia, there is no Belarus, Ukraine, and Europe itself ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 September 2020 12: 56
      +2
      All the same, it's time to accept it as obvious, they, the former, can do without Russia. It's just that it will be already other countries, other people ...
      Their Tsar'kov does not care about how they have it downstairs ..... and the lower ones, in one way or another, INSIDE THAT SHO THEY NEED TO, give a time, and the carrot or the image of the enemy, they will find / blind !!! Above them, smart guys are sitting, have a lot of experience in cutting, tearing, turning upside down !!!
      This is an objective reality and we must accept it !!! Start to adjust, change your policy ANOTHER, based on the circumstances !!! And do not waste ardor, resources, strength on something that has already been lost!
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 September 2020 13: 24
        +2
        After 100 years and then doubts, they are completely tied to us ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 September 2020 13: 32
          +2
          Zabugorny does not care what and how there will be later! They will have their gefest in one way or another! By the way, the upper ones, in those very countries, do not live badly at all, but they don't care in the lower ones.
          This is the axiom that does not require proof.
          As they say, promise what you want ....... the rest later, but for the lower ones it will already be possible.
          Now the question is - who rules there, a loud minority or the rest, silent?
          By the way, in the extreme with the Russian language YOK, and society silently accepted it!
          Who's next?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 19 September 2020 13: 34
            15
            Quote: rocket757
            Zabugorny does not care what and how there will be later! They will have their gefest in one way or another! By the way, the upper ones, in those very countries, do not live badly at all, but they don't care in the lower ones.

            I am very sorry, but you described the Russian elite, just the same it is more greedy and bloodthirsty.
            But this is already an axiom and a theorem in one bottle.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 September 2020 13: 41
              0
              I would point out that I am not very smart!
              The question is, where else?
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 19 September 2020 14: 15
                14
                Quote: rocket757
                I would point out that I am not very smart!

                It is in vain that we think so, since they hold us for the stupid, and not we for them.
                Quote: rocket757
                The question is, where else?

                Firstly, we live here and I will note, in the richest country in the world, in this sense it is a shame to nod at them.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 19 September 2020 14: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  in this sense it is a shame to nod at them.

                  Well, there must be an excuse that justifies our ... sluggishness and troubles!
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  It is in vain that we think so, since they hold us for the stupid, and not we for them.

                  Here is our mutual ... perception.
                  And what is obvious, that "fool, fool" every day has its own three! Unlike us, kind of smart.
                  Being in the process of contemplating our existence, it is impossible to understand how such a smart people can live like this, in the richest country in the world ??? Paradox.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 19 September 2020 12: 10
    +3
    Europe is not ready to give Belarus neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes.
    I'm crazy about these clowns. You will give up everything, but we will not give you anything in return. In addition to European democracy and the opportunity to plow for the gentleman in Poland .. You will eat and drink democracy, fill your car tanks and warm yourself up. Democracy will shine instead of electricity and will warm the souls of independent Belarusians. Ahrenet. But many are being led, young and not so. laughing And yes, I remembered, everything is not the same as in Ukraine, or in Georgia, something different, you need to understand. laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 September 2020 12: 49
      +2
      Some people are even weirder than you might imagine!
      They don't hear, they don't understand anything that they don't want to hear, understand.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 19 September 2020 13: 01
        0
        I'll tell you more. The lion's share of people is arranged this way. This is used by all sorts of Western propagandists, agitators and other crooks with swindlers, not clean on hand. You lose your own ideology and propaganda, and the enemy immediately replaces it with your own ideology and propaganda. As they say, nature abhors a vacuum. Material wealth, of course, is great, but people always need to believe in something and rely on something ideologically. Even at the risk of losing everything, they hang their ears, listening to the sweet-voiced hirelings of the West. But in this case, I am very surprised. Despite the specific example of Georgia and Ukraine, through the mouth of Walesa, they are already saying directly that you will lose everything, they will not give you anything in return, come to us anyway. But street fighters with the regime, nifiga do not want to hear. Truly, human stupidity is immeasurable.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 September 2020 13: 08
          +1
          From scratch, it is extremely rare that something can grow.
          Unfortunately, but father himself created the conditions, loosened up the soil, ts, on which the shoots from the seeds that were brought by the western winds grow so well !!!
          Neither he nor ours used herbicides!
          So sho even as a collective farmer, a zealous owner, he is not ice!
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 19 September 2020 13: 24
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            From scratch, it is extremely rare that something can grow.

            Here I disagree with you a little. If something can grow somewhere, then only from scratch, that is, where it is not busy. And if this place is prepared, fertilized and loosened, then God himself commanded. But father, he prepared this place himself. Of course I cooked for myself, but he definitely does not pull the role of the leader of the people. Smallish, in terms of personality. Russia, out of habit of the 90s, playing the role of a kind, reliable brother, has withdrawn from working with "brothers". Now we are reaping the benefits. I will repeat myself. If a person is carried away by any idea, if his head is busy, if he has someone to look up to, then other ideas penetrate into it with difficulty. So we need to try so that our people, initially in their heads, had the right ideology and, accordingly, the right thoughts. Including my own example.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 September 2020 13: 39
              0
              No matter how you formulate it now, it is already there!
              What will happen now ..... we'll see.
              If, as in the old way, they pull, everything will fly to where the foreigners want to. Long fluttering will not work there.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 September 2020 12: 59
    0
    It's scary when a stupid herd of fools begins to teach their concepts to a tiny bunch of reasonable people. And this is exactly what is happening now at the home of "our Western partners". A degradant on a degradant drives a degradant. laughing
  • Alsur
    Alsur 19 September 2020 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Finches
    the conversation in the article is not about Yeltsin or Putin, but about Walesa and Belarus!

    I just wanted to say that there is no difference between these figures (Walesa and Yeltsin). For some reason we say that Walesa
    famously jumped on the kukan to the Anglo-Saxons
    , but we are silent about the fact that Yeltsin dragged our country there.
    Quote: Finches
    And the fact that he called there a glass disc in the name of Yeltsin, it means there were reasons for which you and I do not know ..

    We know, but we don't want to admit it. The mausoleum to Lenin was set, among other things, to show the inviolability of the course of the Soviet state, for exactly the same purposes, and the Yeltsin center was set up to show the inviolability of the course chosen by this pro-Western bedding.
    Quote: Finches
    Are you an hour away from Ukraine? There, too, any conversation, even if it is about treating a distemper in a dog at home, slides into Putin and his hand as a "bloody" dictator

    From the Krasnodar Territory. The essence of my commentary boils down to the fact that we see a straw in someone else's eye, and we don't notice a log in ours. What do we care what this retired politician who was rotten a hundred years ago said? Could his words have any real meaning? Is this Trump or Xi Jinping? As if we have few problems in our country.

    We are beaten off by economic partners. What is Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and others for Russia, I think there is no need to explain. And we have to squeeze into our borders and wait for someone to poke us in the side with something sharp. We did not go to Venezuela much, but how many yells at the highest level that this is our meadow. Nothing bothers you. In short, they do not look like a Russian from the Krasnodar Territory at all, not even once. Because write that we are climbing somewhere, and not dealing with our problems. This is a message from the West for Russia to tie the hands, not the thoughts of a Russian person. These are all purely my inventions.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 September 2020 13: 07
    -1
    Ex-President of Poland: “If Belarus jumps towards Europe by winter, Russia will simply turn off the tap”
    belay Volted Walesa - special. He climbed the barricades for happiness for everyone, and became a prezik - 1 term and all his happiness seeped out like between the fingers of a gorilla. fool Are we interested in the opinion of a disposable prezik?
  • Igor Gul
    Igor Gul 19 September 2020 13: 17
    0
    Rather, Belarus will make a leap towards Russia. Actually, everything goes to this
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 19 September 2020 13: 58
    -2
    In other words, Walesa made it clear: Europe sympathizes with the Belarusian pp-revolutionaries, but will not provide various material benefits. Probably for the reason that Ukraine has to be dragged into a strained position, and then another freeloader has appeared.
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 19 September 2020 14: 11
    0
    while Europe is not ready to supply Belarus with neither gas, nor oil, nor electricity in the required volumes

    You might think that then something will change ... More breakfasts ...
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 19 September 2020 14: 32
    0
    "If Belarus leaps towards Europe by winter"
    Rather, there will be spitting towards Europe.
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG 19 September 2020 14: 32
    -2
    This tap is double-sided. Gas or other raw materials will not go to the west, money and goods and technologies will not go to the east. You can live without money, on cards, in sandals and quilted jackets. If you like this life, then good health.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 19 September 2020 15: 50
    0
    This is a consultant !!! Poland somehow "blossomed" after his presidency! Now the Poles, as "true" Europeans, have every right to push their shoulders with the Balts and diggers and the seas in line to wash European toilets! Now the same fate awaits the Belarusians, if they don’t change their minds !!!
  • Mimoxod
    Mimoxod 19 September 2020 15: 56
    0
    The political aggressiveness of the West goes beyond all reasonable boundaries and seems to begin to backfire laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 September 2020 16: 20
    +1
    The expectations of partners were formulated by King Louis XV laughing You know, of course, and I repeat this very clearly, that the only goal of my policy towards Russia is to remove it as far as possible from European affairs. Anything that can plunge her into chaos, the former darkness, is beneficial to me. recourse

    Or, in the words of the Marquis de Broglie, head of the French secret service "Royal Secret"

    As for Russia, we ranked it among the rank of European powers only in order to later exclude it from this rank and deny it even the right to think about European affairs ... Let it fall into a lethargic sleep, from which it will be awakened only by internal turmoil, for a long time and carefully prepared by us. By constantly stirring up these troubles, we will prevent the Muscovite government from thinking about foreign policy

    But we don't live up to their expectations ... What are you going to do ?! laughing
  • NF68
    NF68 19 September 2020 16: 24
    0
    And if Poland is again divided between Germany and Russia, where will you jump, Loch Walesa?
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 19 September 2020 22: 28
      +1
      Quote: NF68
      And if Poland is again divided between Germany and Russia

      Why do we need Poland? And in general, why share it, especially with ours, along with the Anglo-Saxons, the eternal enemy? If Poland and derban, then we can do it alone. We will take the Polish part of Prussia, and from Germany we will take the eastern part. wink
      1. NF68
        NF68 20 September 2020 16: 23
        0
        Quote: Jaromir
        Quote: NF68
        And if Poland is again divided between Germany and Russia

        Why do we need Poland? And in general, why share it, especially with ours, along with the Anglo-Saxons, the eternal enemy? If Poland and derban, then we can do it alone. We will take the Polish part of Prussia, and from Germany we will take the eastern part. wink


        Others may also be found. But Russia and Germany are closest and they have more opportunities.
  • Naval
    Naval 19 September 2020 17: 19
    0
    Just wait and hope, but for now, fry cutlets, and cook borscht, prepare, as Walesa said, to meet her husband after serving time.
  • comradChe
    comradChe 19 September 2020 23: 50
    0
    What he says is not an empty fantasy, given that 200 young people from Belarus are studying in Poland. It is they who will determine the future of their country, as well as the future of Russia, our youth. Naturally, the question arises: And "our youth" is it really WHOSE ?????
  • Rage66
    Rage66 20 September 2020 10: 07
    -1
    Belarusians have already watched some of the jumpers ... Electrician wishful thinking
  • karpusha
    karpusha 23 September 2020 16: 35
    0
    I would like to know the opinion of people about today's secret inauguration of Lukashenka. What kind of support is 80% such that the ceremony is held secretly from their people in the strictest secrecy? And again the law was violated. by law, the inauguration ceremony must be broadcast on radio and television. But nothing was broadcast. Is this 80% support? FUNNY!