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The owner of Sea Launch began development of a rocket with a return stage

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The owner of Sea Launch began development of a rocket with a return stage

The development center of the S7 group of companies will develop a light launch vehicle with a reversible first stage, work on it has already begun. This is stated in the press service of the S7 group of companies.


S7 announced that the developments on a new rocket with a reversible first stage will be used to produce a medium-class launch vehicle, which will be launched from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome, owned by S7. Development details were not disclosed.

We have started building a two-stage liquid-propellant rocket booster with a reversible first stage

- said in a statement.

It should be noted that earlier the Zenit rocket, which was produced at the Ukrainian Yuzhmash, was launched from the Sea Launch, but since 2014 the assembly of the missiles has stopped due to the lack of Russian components at the enterprise. At the same time, Roskosmos announced the development of the Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) rocket to replace Zenit. The first test launch of the Irtysh is scheduled for 2023, the launch will take place from the Baikonur cosmodrome.

However, the S7 group of companies, which bought out Sea Launch in 2016, previously announced that it would develop its own launch vehicle for the floating spaceport.

The floating cosmodrome Sea Launch is currently located in the Russian Far East, and it is planned to begin work on its restoration soon. According to the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin, the Soyuz-5 rocket (Irtysh) will be used for the launches.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 19 September 2020 09: 08 New
    -8
    The owner of Sea Launch began development of a rocket with a return stage
    Well, why not? Well, that's it. Fashionable it has become. And fashion is an evil bitch. Fashion solves many problems. You can ask in advance how much salary a sailor will have on a ship that a step in the ocean will catch? bully Economists mln.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 September 2020 10: 23 New
      +9
      CHIIIIIVOOO ?! The returnable stage, but this is sheer nonsense, and Musk, everyone at VO knows it! At first it means the dumbest, completely inoperative, which the old Soviet air defense systems saw in Yugoslavia, stealth technology began to be used, and now it is also a recoverable stage, not well, this is the limit, the Americans are stupid, why repeat everything !? You also say that the Americans were on the moon, aha, Hollywood!
      1. snake
        snake 19 September 2020 12: 02 New
        +5
        It's not as simple as it seems ... The bottom line is that when "they" do something (no matter what: F-35, return stage, stealth, exoskeletons, etc., etc.) it is unnecessary, bad, unreasonably expensive and generally outdated. But it's another matter when the same thing is with "us". Well these are the Americans about whom Zadornov spoke ... And we, we are completely different - we have ingenuity, soul, faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland! Oh yes, I forgot the braces, the head is garden ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 19 September 2020 17: 03 New
          +1
          hi The whole howl rises due to the fact that there is ALREADY done and working, but we have only "poured boiling water over the noodles." After all, you can boo existing things, and not "breakthrough wet mriya". I would not be surprised if the platform and the command ship "set off along the path" of the PD-50 floating dock or "on pins and needles" while the "clamps" sprinkle saliva and poison. And the allocated money will be "sawn", "mastered" and "withdrawn". With the well-known result "at the exit", but under the familiar "accompaniment" and contemplation of the "hole" in the end.

    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 19 September 2020 11: 02 New
      -9
      They are engaged in stupidity. The steps returned are Musk's stillborn child. No, the technology itself may come in handy someday, but why would a private company need it?
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 19 September 2020 12: 14 New
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        Quote: Sergey39
        They are engaged in stupidity. The steps returned are Musk's stillborn child. No, the technology itself may come in handy someday, but why would a private company need it?

        Now I’ll say stupidity - maybe in order to make the cost of throwing 1 kg of cargo into orbit cheaper than that of competitors, by preserving the material base?
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 19 September 2020 14: 53 New
          +2
          Complex issue. What to do cheaper. Returning a step also costs money. Or reduce the cost of a one-time step as much as possible. Anyway, both methods are temporary half measures.
    3. bayard
      bayard 19 September 2020 12: 19 New
      +3
      The owners of the Sea Launch just need their own rocket. Initially, they counted on Yuzhmash, then on Roscosmos with their Soyuz-5, but since the young men do not cherish the hopes, they decided to make their own rocket.
      Well, immediately - reusable, since this fashion has gone. After all, the USSR had engines with a resource for 30 full working cycles already in the 80s. So why not? This is the dream of design engineers since the 60s.
      In addition, this is a private initiative, and not Rogozin's state projects, let them try.
  2. tanki-tanki
    tanki-tanki 19 September 2020 09: 13 New
    +2
    We have started building a two-stage liquid-propellant rocket booster with a reversible first stage

    A lot of money will be saved by returning the first stage of the launch vehicle. This is a very useful development.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 19 September 2020 15: 51 New
      -1
      How much money will be wasted because of a frivolous payload? Return fuel mass is minus the payload mass.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 September 2020 16: 55 New
        +1
        20% of the total mass of fuel no more.
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 19 September 2020 16: 57 New
          +1
          Great) And what percentage of the fuel mass is the payload mass? 1%? 2%? And here only 20% of fuel
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 September 2020 20: 33 New
            0
            On the third flight with a payload, the stage pays off, and then it starts to make a profit - very efficiently.
  3. Fungus
    Fungus 19 September 2020 09: 13 New
    +4
    There is money and minds, then let them develop
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 19 September 2020 09: 16 New
    +2
    the trend and fashion for reusable / returnable is set (and in fact revived) by the Americans ... well, Russia is joining ... this has its own niche of course ...
    out of the unpleasant ... having our own historical experience on this topic, we are catching up again and again (Korolev was the one who sets fashion and trends) ... this indicates the lack of a strategic vision and meaning of development ... well, there Rogozin is a manager .. Where are the rest of the type designers of rocket technology with ideas ???
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 19 September 2020 09: 33 New
      +4
      Well, one of the hangar designers got tired of waiting and created his own startup, and now he is struggling with the bureaucracy and the military to create his own cosmodrome near Nizhny Novgorod, this is where the legislation is swamped, the subcontractors are simply afraid to supply bolts. Musk went this way and broke NASA and all its bureaucracy through the knee, our designers still have to
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 19 September 2020 09: 39 New
        +8
        Musk did not break anything ... but worked on assignments and with concessional funding from the State Department ...
        cosmodrome near Nizhny))) ... well, it's funny, of course, and extremely energetically unprofitable (latitude and inclination angles of launching into orbit) ... and from the point of view of the fall of steps (or emergency situations), it's a dumb place ... the population along the launch path where move out ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 September 2020 10: 58 New
          +1
          Still, the main topic now is that a planetary aircraft powered by an ion engine and the Americans are not just unable to keep up, but simply they do not have the necessary technologies to start developing something like this. Therefore, in vain you are so, there is a worthy replacement for the Queen. According to Nizhny, everything is correct, there is not only a densely populated area, I will add that an industrial area, with a bunch of factories, including refineries, there are hydroelectric power plants, in the NPP design, the same military facilities, one nuclear center in Sarov, which is a transmission station ZGRLS SPRN Container and so on. On what the fall of the rocket stages ... undesirable. Also, while Musk is exactly the Queen's achievements and copies, with the Chinese in a race. In the meantime, in fact, their Atlases and Antares fly on our engines, titanium frames, as our Avisma makes for Boeing, and astronauts hitchhike in the Union. Yes, we flew on Dragon as an experiment, but no more. The manned segment is still our area of ​​responsibility and the ISS is our core with docked foreign modules. The reusable first stage is useful a priori for the Sea Launch. If Space-X, or rather Falcon, starts from the cape, and the platform catches it. Either we have a start and capture on a floating platform, and taking into account that the platform also goes to the southern latitudes, is not tied to a specific place, such as Cape K, then the fuel for launching vehicles into space goes less, less dependence on the weather and etc. There is actually nothing new to blame Korolev, just from a commercial point of view - super. Let's not forget about business. For this, Korolev would have turned over, because he did not count money and despised. Not the point. Let's go back to the already assembled planetary spacecraft with nuclear power plant and ion engines. The launch of which is just around the corner, maybe next year. Already this tug, in contrast to the powerful and future Nuclon, will be capable of throwing from orbit, from the first space, to the second interplanetary automatic stations. Which carrier rockets will deliver to it, incl. middle class, ala Zenith and the future RN, possibly with a reusable stage. Those. a powerful and heavy rocket is not needed for an interplanetary station, but it is enough to just put it into orbit and dock to a booster tug that works like a reusable stage. He can fly to the planet himself and return, or he can only throw the station on the second space station towards the planet and return to orbit, braking to the first space station. Well, to fill up with fuel - gas, which will be ionized, it will also need to be not heavy rockets. The whole dream of the Queen was in the study and development of the SS planets. and now we have come to its implementation. Therefore, in vain you are so ...
          1. Perseverance
            Perseverance 19 September 2020 11: 44 New
            +7
            And I love all this, our plans are enormous "They just repeated what they said for 10 years, only the dates were shifted, now it's after 2030 ...
            Concept design of a space transport and power module based on a megawatt-class nuclear power propulsion unit has been completed in Russia
            The work on the project is going according to plan... By 2020, a space transport may appear in Russia a new generation complex that will provide transport operations both in near-Earth and interplanetary space. The state program "Space activities of Russia for 2013-2020" provides for the implementation of three projects in the direction of "Space and telecommunications". One of them is a project to create a transport and power module based on a megawatt class nuclear power propulsion system.
            https://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2010/05/05/10782
            1. hrych
              hrych 19 September 2020 12: 02 New
              -4
              Do not confuse Nuclon - a huge, five times larger in size than the already assembled apparatus that will fly to Jupiter via Venus in 2030 and the first experimental planetary spacecraft with ion engines assembled in 2020, with the YSU. Which will be tested in orbit, and if all is well, then it will still throw automatic stations on the second space, and also possibly take part in a mission less grandiose than that of Nuclon. The nucleon will fly through the Moon and Venus to Jupiter, leaving the automatic stations and return back to orbit. Its service life is 10 years, and when Nuclon will be assembled in orbit, the current one, having worked out the nuances of such devices, will cease to exist, perhaps it will be sent one way to another planet or outside the SS with a payload.
              https://german-kmw.livejournal.com/112316.html

              1. Perseverance
                Perseverance 19 September 2020 12: 19 New
                +5
                This is an assembled model ... It does not watered it anywhere for ground tests.
                Here is this tug for Jupiter, and then what? We have already flown to Jupiter, for AMC it does not really matter how many years the flight will take. Right now, NASA is preparing a flight to Europe, the congress is making them choose a super-heavy rocket for this, and scientists want the rocket to be easier, even if it will fly twice as long, but free money can be spent on scientific instruments.
                Again, let the bulk of plans really fly, this tug was supposed to fly this year, now it's 30, and then it will be 40?
                1. hrych
                  hrych 19 September 2020 12: 40 New
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                  Quote: Perseverance
                  This is an assembled model ... It does not watered it anywhere for ground tests.

                  What layout? Look carefully at the photos, this is exactly a big and real machine. Layouts don't create huge ones. Everything is clear with you, the American achievements are hectic as a counterweight. They are insignificant in comparison with the planetary spacecraft. If you are in the article a link to a LJ-ist similar to you, you reacted by tests on the ground. That is in vain, in contrast to the LJ-ists, the experts talk about the finished YSU, the ion engine that was ready last year, etc. Earth tests have been carried out. You just need to be a little interested in the achievements of science and technology. I'm not going to prove anything to you, wait for the launch. Unlike Nuclon, this apparatus does not need to be assembled in orbit, the good old Proton can launch it. You and the photo are not a photo, and the statements of responsible employees are not statements. And the comments of scientific experts are nothing to you. What to discuss with you? What do you want?
                  1. Perseverance
                    Perseverance 19 September 2020 13: 00 New
                    +4
                    Quote: hrych
                    What layout? Look carefully at the photos, this is exactly a big and real machine. Layouts don't create huge ones. Everything is clear with you, the American achievements are hectic as a counterweight. They are insignificant in comparison with the planetary spacecraft. If you are in the article a link to a LJ-ist similar to you, you reacted by tests on the ground. That is in vain, in contrast to the LJ-ists, the experts talk about the finished YSU, the ion engine that was ready last year, etc. Earth tests have been carried out. You just need to be a little interested in the achievements of science and technology. I'm not going to prove anything to you, wait for the launch. Unlike Nuclon, this apparatus does not need to be assembled in orbit, the good old Proton can launch it. You and the photo are not a photo, and the statements of responsible employees are not statements. And the comments of scientific experts are nothing to you. What to discuss with you? What do you want?

                    yes even links. This is exactly what the layout is and is not 100% watered anywhere.
                    "As I am told by a more competent LJ-ist in the field of astronautics and a specialist in space communications, Mr. vsatman888, this design will most likely not fly into space, but will apparently be used as a technological model on earth,"

                    Tell me when to wait in 2030 or 2040?
                  2. Perseverance
                    Perseverance 19 September 2020 13: 07 New
                    +4
                    In June it became known that a technical complex for the preparation of satellites with this nuclear "tug" is planned to be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome and put into operation in 2030.
                    https://ria.ru/20190918/1558806385.html
                    Until this year, even the ground infrastructure will not be ready ... And these are plans and promises that there will be timing ...
                    1. leks
                      leks 19 September 2020 13: 25 New
                      +2
                      Who are you trying to prove something to !? "hrych" is a local storyteller who tells fairy tales no worse than HH Anderson.
                      Look how he floods in the comments, he and the Russian ISS and the planetary spacecraft will fly next year, just maybe.
                      Is it interesting in Roskosmos whether they know about this or not that they have a planned launch of a planetary spacecraft with nuclear power plant and ion engines next year?
                      Khrych's comments can be categorized as "fairy tales about Russian space 2000-2020"
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 19 September 2020 14: 44 New
                      +2
                      Read your link:
                      "In December 2018, the scientific director of the Keldysh Research Center (lead contractor for the TEM project) Anatoly Koroteev announced the preparation in OPEN SPACE of an experiment to check the operation of the most important element of the nuclear power plant. The timing of the work was not specified."
                      This is what you saw in the assembly shop and is for experiments in OPEN SPACE. Ferstein? It is necessary when you read not only to look into the book, but also not to see a fig there wassat And if you give me last year's link, then take the trouble to find out what has already been done this year.
                      Read your article carefully:
                      "..the technical complex for training satellites with this nuclear" tug "is planned to be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome and put into operation in 2030".
                      Those. there are also satellites with a tug, and as we understand, now - a year later from this article, which you have been digging for a long time on the Internet, a mission to explore the Moon, Venus and Jupiter has been announced. And there, artificial satellites will be placed in the orbits of these bodies, including the satellite of Jupiter. But that apparatus, the assembly photo of which you saw, will be thrown into orbit by one rocket. It will not be assembled in orbit, but will be revealed, as in the animation for the article. And for development on the ion engine itself. Here's a material from a year ago about ... the completion of tests.
                      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/space_for_you/ispytaniia-dvigatelia-buduscego-zaversheny-roskosmos-prazdnuet-uspeh-5dbb270aec575b00ad9ff9e3
                      In short, the YSU was tested and made, the ion engine was tested and made. This is the main thing. And what do you see in the workshop of a planetary spacecraft, namely, expanding trusses, etc. - this is just a cooling system for the nuclear power plant in space. On Earth, collecting it is not something that is not needed, but also useless. For it to work, you need a space cold. Ferstein? I repeat, for your understanding, my young fan of extremism, that the YSU itself and the engine were tested a year ago. Again. The space tug is a nuclear power plant feeding an electric rocket engine or, in common people, an ion engine. This is enough to make an apparatus for testing in OPEN SPACE. Everything else is a bulky, drop-down cooling system and auxiliary systems, which have been fully worked out in astronautics. Such as the orientation system, remote control, etc. A year ago, we finished testing all the main units, assembled (as you saw) the spacecraft and now wait for it to be sent, together with some rude and apparently uneducated commentator, even less advanced than you. leks (Alexey) wassat
                      1. leks
                        leks 19 September 2020 15: 47 New
                        -2
                        You bastard don't worry so much!
                        We will then wait for the next 2021 and wait until 2022, and things will be where they are now.
                        Links from Yandex Xena, (that still dump) only storytellers like you read.
                        Although I was not lazy and read what was so interesting there, but in the end it was a dummy from some kind of no-name.
                        You yourself are a storyteller and you throw links at the same storytellers.
                        "that's when your spaceship flies, then we'll talk."
                        According to your tales, the conversation should take place in the next couple of years.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 19 September 2020 16: 00 New
                        +2
                        How can we talk to you? You don't know how to talk wassat Where is the performance characteristics, where is the scientific discussion, where is the knowledge on nuclear devices, etc.? Not. And what is in your comments:
                        Quote: leks
                        to rave

                        Quote: leks
                        inscription

                        Quote: leks
                        got drunk

                        Quote: leks
                        garbage can

                        Quote: leks
                        dummy

                        wassat wassat This is the kind of interlocutor you are. So I will ignore you am
                      3. leks
                        leks 19 September 2020 16: 27 New
                        -1
                        I am very glad that such a storyteller like you will ignore me.
                        Why should I debate with you that there is nothing else to do, how to throw a bisser, you yourself know in front of whom.
                        Next year I will remind you about your planetary spacecraft.
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 19 September 2020 16: 36 New
                        0
                        Ah, it’s you beser (with two letters "c") marking wassat You were mistaken, but only in the letter "B", there is an obvious "C" wassat What if something happens to you before next year? Maybe banned, or maybe the coronavirus will cover? How will you remind me? wassat
                      5. leks
                        leks 19 September 2020 16: 51 New
                        -1
                        Don't worry about me, even if they get banned, it's not a problem to create a new account, but it's vryatli angry. I got sick with the crown in the middle of the August without any complications.
                        You bastard don't worry about zeba, he loves old bastards for coronapirus.
                        In your goths, you are unlikely to live out the pain of your blunt flight.
                        Errors can be marked in a separate comment or sent by mail.
                      6. hrych
                        hrych 19 September 2020 17: 00 New
                        -1
                        For those who are not very versed in linguistics, I report that h.rych is not an old, but a growling person, from the word growl. Therefore, the adjective is added to the grunt - old. Maybe a young bastard. I'm in full bloom wassat Where do you go to argue about space, get loose and that's the problem wassat Have you been ill? Well done. But they say the brain suffers irreversibly. And we have an example wassat
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                      8. leks
                        leks 19 September 2020 19: 16 New
                        0
                        There is no need to flatter yourself, your prime is long gone. The sunset of your life is on.
                        Nick, when he came up with his own old bastard and meant, and not a growling man, it is necessary to come up with such a bastard and a growling man.
                        I understand her old age, she saves VO from boredom and loneliness in retirement, so we write comments here.
                        A normal person can write 11 thousand comments vryatli, although in retirement what else to do.
                    3. Filxnumx
                      Filxnumx 19 September 2020 21: 09 New
                      0
                      I got sick with the crown in the middle of the August without any complications.

                      Was it really Covid 19? More like an insidious show-off 20. Arouses a strong opinion "pissed off all polymers" and the reaction "will only get worse"
  5. Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 19 September 2020 13: 23 New
    +4
    Well, when this nuclear tug flies, then we'll talk laughing
    (C)

    Suddenly, huh? It turns out that this phrase also works in the opposite direction, especially since Musk has had everything for a long time already)
    1. hrych
      hrych 19 September 2020 14: 12 New
      -3
      Quote: Freemason
      at Musk, everything has already flown for a long time)

      What flew? Did you repeat Gagarin's flight? wassat Is that cool for you? This is how they have been doing it for 60 years. Where do you come from such Ukrainian-Israeli commentators? wassat
      1. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 19 September 2020 14: 37 New
        +5
        As far as I understand, you set the nationality from the comments? wassat A partially reusable rocket flew, of which Roscosmos can only dream, a rocket that almost completely took the commercial launch market from Roscosmos. A new generation reusable ship flew. He flew, in contrast to the Federation-Eagle, who is tortured, but they have not given birth in any way for about 20 years. Should I continue?

        PS And in general, about the success of SpaceX - does it make you think that for the last couple of years everyone, including Rogozin, has been comparing the entire space industry of the Russian Federation with some kind of "private office" of some kind of "machinist Musk"? laughing
        1. Freemason Mason
          Freemason Mason 19 September 2020 14: 49 New
          +2
          PS statistics of launch vehicle launches, since the beginning of 2020
          1. leks
            leks 19 September 2020 15: 18 New
            0
            Roskosmos has planned launches of more than 2020 space rockets in 40. This was reported to TASS by the state corporation.

            "In 2020, Russia plans to provide more than 40 launches of space rockets," the message says.

            As specified in Roskosmos, they will be carried out from the Baikonur, Vostochny, Plesetsk cosmodromes and the space center in French Guiana.

            Earlier, the general director of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin, during a press conference at the Vostochny cosmodrome, presented a video, according to which two dozen launches of the Soyuz carrier rocket are planned for 2020. In particular, five of them will be carried out from the Vostochny cosmodrome, two more - manned launches to the ISS. Also in 2020, it is planned to resume testing the Angara launch vehicle and continue the Proton launches.
            TASS December 30, 2020

            Something, according to your statistics, the RK does not quite live up to its forecasts for 2020.
            But there are still three and a half months before the end of 2020, they may be strained, otherwise it’s not good to deceive people.
          2. hrych
            hrych 19 September 2020 15: 47 New
            0
            Those. for you, quantity is the most important thing wassat Oh well. And where is the launch of two communication satellites by Proton on 31.07.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX. Well, the year is not over wassat We have major launches in the second half of the year. It is planned more this year ... 20. Therefore, we will wait for December 31, and then we will discuss wassat Commercial launches are the most important thing for your merchant mentality, but not for us. We need as many launches as we need to support defense and other industries. We have a deployed military satellite constellation of 140 satellites, which is good. From every launch of Antares and Atlas, we receive commercial profits from engines and titanium frames. It's important for you wassat Okay, think of our space industry as a desk. Is it easier? Laughing? Everyone, now go in a good mood to your kibbutz to pull carrots wassat By the way, what does this have to do with you and your dead country? You are not Chinese or American to rejoice. Or sucked? wassat Maybe your country will overtake us? In any case, Russia is among the prize-winners in launches. This is bad? Russia is not the USSR. The population of the Russian Federation is less than half of the American population, and the Chinese population is 9 times less. And nothing. By the way, according to statistics, we have an annual growth in launches. Okay, don't be distracted, otherwise Kassam will knock wassat
          3. slipped
            slipped 19 September 2020 18: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            We have major launches in the second half of the year. More planned this year ... 20.


            In fact, most of the launches were postponed for various reasons - mainly due to the non-delivery of satellites for cluster launches by the European company Arianespace to our spaceports. Delivery will only resume in the third quarter. In addition, through the fault of ESA, the launch on Mars and the launch of the heavy module "Science" from the end of this year to the second quarter of the next were postponed to the next astronomical window. Therefore, up to the end of the year, up to 10 missile launches are planned with various, both domestic and foreign spacecraft.

            By the way, in the photo from the Arsenal there is an upper stage demonstrator for launching satellites with 300 kW NRE to the GSO. laughing It will be used for flight design tests in space before the launch of Nuclon.
          4. hrych
            hrych 19 September 2020 20: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: slipped
            It will be used for flight design tests in space before the launch of Nuclon.

            I tried to explain it to them wassat
      2. Grits
        Grits 20 September 2020 01: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Freemason
        statistics of launch vehicle launches, since the beginning of 2020

        What are we arguing about? This statistics clearly shows everything. Who is the leader, and who is in .... uh ... Well, you get the idea.
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  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 19 September 2020 16: 59 New
    0
    The Americans have a VASIMR plasma rocket engine project.
  • Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 19 September 2020 10: 59 New
    +7
    As for the financing of Musk by the State Department, will there be any evidence, preferably with links?
    Had Musk been engaged in his activities in Russia, you would be the first to shout here in the comments about what a fine fellow he is, what a good rocket, analogue, and so on. But bad luck - he is not in Russia. And you are apparently pathologically incapable of recognizing the success of the Americans
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 19 September 2020 11: 31 New
      -2
      Where does Musk launch his rockets from?
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 19 September 2020 12: 24 New
        +4
        From the cosmodrome, those who give the main orders, and which is suitable in all parameters, that is, Canaveral, but each customer is free to choose the cosmodrome if it fits the parameters and conditions of the rocket's use.
        Moreover, the cosmodrome is not such a cheap toy, especially a ground-based one, to build and maintain itself, and the choice is not that big. Nobody will give it to private property either, for some reason the state, on the contrary, is interested in the fact that such objects are constantly used and do not stand idle.
        The same Canaveral is subordinate not only to the US Air Force, but also to NASA, which, as you understand, are interested in maintaining regular launches from the cosmodrome and cooperating with a private trader who can provide this, and therefore offer preferential terms.
        This is a reality in the United States, China and Europe, and in Russia, if a conventional private trader wanted to go to Baikonur with his launch vehicles to Baikonur, then Rogozin would probably rip off three skins from him just for the opportunity to use the cosmodrome that has no analogues.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 19 September 2020 12: 36 New
          -2
          Well, you yourself have answered your own question.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 19 September 2020 14: 36 New
          -1
          Musk also has his own spaceport. In Texas, Starship is being tested there now
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 19 September 2020 15: 21 New
            -1
            There is rather a simple launch pad, on which it is quite convenient to conduct tests and conduct rare launches, which even in principle is suitable in all respects, but most customers still choose Canaveral, but not the essence.
    2. vicvladol
      vicvladol 19 September 2020 12: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Freemason
      As for the financing of Musk by the State Department, will there be any evidence, preferably with links?

      https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=2
      1. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 19 September 2020 13: 00 New
        +4
        Let us examine what is written about Spacex's "subsidies" in this article 5 years ago:
        On a smaller scale, SpaceX, Musk's rocket company, cut a deal for about $ 20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility there. (Separate from incentives, SpaceX has won more than $ 5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the US Air Force.)

        Spacex has received $ 20 million in subsidies from the state of Texas for the construction of the launch complex. The cost of launching one falcon 9 rocket alone is $ 50 million. The cost of its development is $ 500 million. Falcon Heavy - plus another $ 500 million. They've already subsidized, that's how they subsidized. Further, it is written that SpaceX has won government contracts in the amount of $ 5.5 billion. You see, I WIN, on a competitive basis, with such mastodons as Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Nevertheless, until now, these companies, at the expense of the lobby in the Senate, periodically insolently roll SpaceX with contracts. For example, in a future major contract from the US Air Force for the launch of military satellites, 40% went to SpaceX with its cheapest and extremely reliable falcon 9, while 60% went to ULA (Boeing & Lockheed Martin) with their Vulcan rocket. which is NOT EVEN DEVELOPED yet! And there are a lot of such examples. So, before you write something about government subsidies to Spacex, at least read the article that you cite as proof
        1. leks
          leks 19 September 2020 13: 38 New
          +2
          Hehe tore the template, hurray the patriots in despondency!
          How so, everyone believed that the "State Department" sponsored SpaceX, but here it turns out that they won the state contract by tender and even the powerful lobby of Boeing and Locheed Martin could not interrupt this competition in their favor.
          We would have such a "mask" for a cannon shot would not be allowed to such state contracts.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 19 September 2020 14: 48 New
    -1
    Quote: silberwolf88
    population along the launch trajectory where to resettle

    To Moscow.
  • Grits
    Grits 20 September 2020 01: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Rubi0
    loss is fighting the bureaucracy and the military to create his own cosmodrome near Nizhny Novgorod,

    Aren't there too many spaceports for one country? The number of launches a year makes slightly more than the number of cosmodromes.
  • keeper03
    keeper03 19 September 2020 22: 13 New
    0
    You need to look not in pursuit, but ahead of the curve !!! We do not need a return stage! No.
  • Wolverine
    Wolverine 19 September 2020 09: 19 New
    +2
    Balabol Rogozin tells the story that Sea Launch will be modernized to launch Soyuz-5; S7 says it will develop its own MC media. Do we have several Sea Launches? Or is someone whistling in your ears? Or, in general, no one knows where the MC fell, and what to do with this “wealth”?
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 19 September 2020 09: 42 New
      +1
      sea ​​launch ... well, if you understand launch technologies ... good because it can provide Russia with launches in ideal places on the equator ... in terms of energy, this will give a gain in the cargo thrown into orbit (depending on altitude) by almost one and a half times ) ... I'm not even saying that the orbital inclinations of spacecraft spacecraft when launching near the Equator give more opportunities ...
      1. Thorvlobnor IV
        Thorvlobnor IV 19 September 2020 10: 24 New
        0
        well, if you understand about launch technologies ... good because it can provide Russia with launches in ideal places on the equator ... in terms of energy, this will give a gain in the load to be thrown into orbit (depending on the height) by almost one and a half times) ... not to mention that the inclinations of the orbit of the spacecraft of the spacecraft during the launch near the Equator give more possibilities.

        The problem with Sea Launch is that it has to be constantly driven back and forth from port to equator and back in order to install a rocket on the launch pad, which is wasted time and additional costs. I doubt that Roskosmos will be able to build an additional "transport-loading" vessel. It is not in his style to do things according to the mind.
        1. silberwolf88
          silberwolf88 19 September 2020 12: 26 New
          +1
          there are delivery vessels ... installation and checks on site ... refueling the same ... the platform does not need to be driven
      2. Wolverine
        Wolverine 19 September 2020 10: 42 New
        0
        I perfectly understand the benefits of MS. But, judging by the directly opposite statements, Roscosmos and S7 have not yet decided what to do with it. Well, if only the reusable carrier planned for the development of S7 and Soyuz-5 are not so identical that they are launched from the same MS launch pad
  • Avior
    Avior 19 September 2020 09: 23 New
    0
    It's a good thing, but there are questions about the availability of work experience - they immediately took up a difficult task.
    It is clear that it is possible to find specialists in rocketry, the state industry is gradually dying, thanks to Rogozin, and not only, but specialists still need to be brought down into the general team first.
    That is, individual experience and collective experience are not the same, both are needed.
    And the question is, how long is it?
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 19 September 2020 12: 27 New
      +1
      you probably mean Musk ... his experience in the industry and so on ... anything is possible ... there would be PEOPLE
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 19 September 2020 09: 31 New
    +3
    And what scientific and industrial base does S7 have for creating a rocket? When is the launch? 2030m? 2040?
  • Sergst
    Sergst 19 September 2020 09: 33 New
    0
    Quote: tanki-tanki

    A lot of money will be saved by returning the first stage of the launch vehicle. This is a very useful development.

    Also, money will be additionally spent on fuel, which is needed for the landing of the first stage, on fuel that is needed to raise this additional fuel first up together with the first stage. Plus, the return stage needs to be done a little harder ... It's not very simple, the benefit must be carefully calculated.
  • IC
    IC 19 September 2020 09: 50 New
    0
    The project is interesting from a technical point of view. Our answer to Musk.
    But it is very expensive and time consuming. The economic part is absolutely not clear. Where are the sources of funding in Russia? S7 is an airline and, like all their colleagues in the world, is on the brink of survival or bankruptcy. Where Musk got the money, it's clear. Where to get it in Russia? Budget only.
    1. slipped
      slipped 19 September 2020 10: 21 New
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      Quote: IMS
      Where to get it in Russia? Budget only.


      In Russia, several companies have already announced the ongoing work on the creation of their ultralight and light missiles.

      For example, the Advanced Research Fund is developing a Krylo-SV reusable rocket with a Vortex methane engine:



      The private company NKK has tested its engine for its projected Siberia rocket:



      The private company "Kosmokurs" presented its vision of a light rocket - a rather elaborated preliminary design of an ultralight launch vehicle:

  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 19 September 2020 09: 58 New
    -1
    There are many pensioners. Hard workers too.

    And they will endure this feeder.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 19 September 2020 10: 12 New
    -1
    Here, a wonderful project of private and public capital could have turned out, but most likely it will not work out. It is not customary for us to share ........
  • Oleg Bykov
    Oleg Bykov 19 September 2020 10: 35 New
    -1
    Not a bad reason for a loan
  • slipped
    slipped 19 September 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    A week ago, the development center of the S7 group of companies announced that, on their order in Germany, the KUKA plant has completed the production and assembly of a new robotic cell for spatial friction stir welding and that they expect a robot in the coming month.

  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 19 September 2020 12: 40 New
    -2
    The owner of Sea Launch began development of a rocket with a return stage


    But after all, the local space experts, as soon as Musk returned the first stage, squealed here that rockets with a recoverable stage were drank and hopeless garbage of the charlatan Musk. Why does the owner of Sea Launch cut the loot, pouring it into the initially doomed project?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 September 2020 12: 45 New
    -3
    Well, the first serious private company appeared in the field of space. They have a Cosmodrome. And it’s hard to steal money from a private owner, if anything, the S7 security service will wind its guts on a rocket and launch it into space. Previously there was a slogan: Fly Aeroflot planes, quickly , cheap, safe! It's time for the S7 PR managers to introduce the slogan: Fly by S7 planes, contribute to the development of Russian (private) Cosmonautics. This also applies to all fighters. hi good drinks
  • iouris
    iouris 19 September 2020 13: 48 New
    -3
    Saw, Dima, saw ...
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  • Alvis07
    Alvis07 19 September 2020 16: 21 New
    -5
    It is unlikely that they will be able to make an option with returnable steps, like Musk's. Unless, if the whole rockets return, as it was already:
    "Immediately three rockets of the heavy class" Proton-M "will return from the Baikonur cosmodrome to the Khrunichev Center to eliminate production defects. This is reported by RIA Novosti, referring to information received from an informed source in the rocket and space industry."

    https://3dnews.ru/1008116
    1. slipped
      slipped 19 September 2020 18: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: Alvis07
      if the whole missiles will return, as it was already:


      One of these Proton-M rockets, previously returned from the launch site, has already successfully delivered two spacecraft into space, the rest will also successfully launch other spacecraft in 2021 and 2022. laughing
      1. Alvis07
        Alvis07 19 September 2020 18: 37 New
        -3
        This means that this is the first time in Russian cosmonautics when the rocket was used twice))) And many more said that we could not!
        1. slipped
          slipped 19 September 2020 18: 47 New
          -2
          Quote: Alvis07
          This means that this is the first time in Russian cosmonautics when the rocket was used twice))) And many more said that we could not!


          Is everything okay with your head? laughing The missile was successfully repaired after a defect was discovered and launched. It worked 100%.
          1. Alvis07
            Alvis07 19 September 2020 20: 08 New
            -3
            Clear. That is, with the returned rocket or with the returned modules of the rocket - it did not work again? Or is it a partial success?
            1. slipped
              slipped 19 September 2020 20: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Alvis07
              Clear. That is, with the returned rocket or with the returned modules of the rocket - it did not work again? Or is it a partial success?


              What is the rocket to return? belay The nearest rocket with a stage return is the launch of an ultralight cruise technology demonstrator from FPI at the turn of 2023, not earlier. As for promising space rockets, the Progress RCC is developing a preliminary design for a rocket called Soyuz-LNG.
              1. Alvis07
                Alvis07 19 September 2020 20: 57 New
                -4
                Thank you, honestly - I didn't know! Keep me posted, this is a very interesting topic.
    2. Grits
      Grits 20 September 2020 01: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Alvis07
      Immediately three rockets of the heavy class "Proton-M" will return from the Baikonur cosmodrome to the Center. Khrunicheva

      Well, here's a ready-made returnable rocket. laughing Returns straight to the shop. Musk hadn't thought of that.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 19 September 2020 17: 31 New
    0
    "Previously stated ..." Who, where, when? And was there a statement itself ..?
  • Dart
    Dart 19 September 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    yes ... it's interesting to read at the beginning how all the not / honorable collectors of the site's minuses made a joint attack on the fan with a friendly company ...
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 20 September 2020 12: 10 New
      +1
      Vadim, this is not a throwing on the fans ... but a LAWFUL doubt, people's disbelief in everything that happens in the remnants of the space industry. As soon as the concrete and asphalt holes disappear on our roads ... this will be a sign of qualitative changes in the country in the vector of its development. But while skepticism dominates - excuse me.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 20 September 2020 12: 04 New
    0
    Another chatter ... it’s very interesting, what kind of control stuffing will be crammed into this table instead of the one dismantled by the Americans ??? Although, if a private office got down to business ... then drawing an analogy with the success of a beloved and adored, simply divine (oh hour someone laughing ) I. Mask and HIS team of engineers ... there is a ghostly hope for the HEPPY END of this long-suffering platform. We are waiting for a miracle without a banter. Yes, and I really hope that the returned stage will not be planted on the platform of this floating spaceport itself ... I really hope, otherwise the passion of deeds usually turns off the remnants of their brains in managers.