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India has transferred T-72 to the border with China, Indian tanks "Arjun" can not withstand the conditions of the highlands

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The Indian military command has confirmed the transfer of units of the tank battalion to the highland region of Ladakh on the border with China. The average height of the locations of the Indian armed forces in this area is 3900 meters. The highest sections are about 4400-4500 m.


Attention is drawn to the fact that the command chose to transfer Tanks T-72. This is despite the fact that lately the Indian media have been praising the Indian-made Arjun main battle tank in every way. To date, the Indian army has about 140 "Arjuns", but none of them was found, so to speak, a place in strengthening the border with China.

According to some reports, the Arjun tanks have proven themselves, to put it mildly, not from the best side even when tested in the conditions of the middle mountains (not to mention the high mountains). Indian tanks simply cannot withstand such conditions. Earlier, sources in India reported that the tanks of the Indian manufacturer HVF (Heavy Vehicles Factory) are having problems with the stability of the engine in thin air. Also, the crews of "Arjuns" experienced problems during the ascent, if its slope in the section exceeded 30 degrees, and the section itself was quite long.

Tanks of the Russian design T-72 are less whimsical and are able to operate in conditions at impressive heights in the mountains. But they did not dare to send the Arjun tanks to Ladakh - apparently, so that there would not be an incident when Indian tanks stalled on a snow-covered pass, before reaching the border.

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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 18 September 2020 15: 36
    19
    But kaaak they dance and sing !!!!! Probably .
    1. Alvis07
      Alvis07 18 September 2020 15: 40
      -40 qualifying.
      Don't be so happy. If there is a local "batch" with China, the T-72 will burn, and the "invincible" Arjun tanks will become the tanks of the Indian victory. "Arjun" will have advertising profits, and we will hear a new tub of slops about the T-72.
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 18 September 2020 15: 43
        39
        Quote: Alvis07
        "Arjun" will have advertising profits, and we will hear a new tub of slops about the T-72.

        You can hear anything you want, but only they will buy the T-72 and T-90 again, because they know perfectly well that these tanks do not need advertising.
        1. Alvis07
          Alvis07 18 September 2020 15: 45
          -38 qualifying.
          Not a fact at all! If there is a "howl" in the press, they will be afraid to conclude a new contract for the supply of equipment from Russia.
          1. hrych
            hrych 18 September 2020 16: 51
            17
            Quote: Alvis07
            howl in the press

            Yes, full of you. I do not know why the commentators are silent, but the T-72 is a medium tank with a mass of a little over 45 tons, and an Arjun with a mass of almost 60. Naturally, high in the mountains, such a weight is not good. And you go uphill, then downhill, and drag the extra 15 tons, you know ... Again, feed him. And everything is logical even without biting Arjun (in whose unreliability, by the way, we can well believe), who is a mutant of Leopard-2. Again, we note the versatility, reliability and with a smaller mass, not inferior in striking power, the T-72. Well, the smaller the dimensions, the more difficult it is to get into ... Again, an automatic loader, and not a specially trained representative of the lower caste laughing
            1. krot
              krot 18 September 2020 19: 19
              +6
              How do Indians conduct acceptance of their military equipment !? Do they not test everything that is possible as ours? For that interview, they only manage to say that our planes, helicopters, or tanks are backward ..)))
              And we are not ashamed of our equipment!
              And I think in general what for they are starting a batch of some kind .. It's always better to negotiate. China is not the United States, then exactly adequate!
              1. hrych
                hrych 18 September 2020 19: 28
                +3
                Quote: krot
                Don't they test for everything

                So, their borders with their neighbors are high-mountainous, where the T-72 is difficult to fit. Special armored vehicles are desirable there.
                But defense is not limited to borders. You need to defend the coast, you need to protect the valleys, as a second (or whatever) line of defense outside the mountains. There are Tamil separatists and others. In general, Arjun is based on Leopard-2, a good car, on the stony soils of the foothills, adequate, albeit heavy. But in the highlands ...
                1. Grits
                  Grits 19 September 2020 02: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: hrych
                  Special armored vehicles are desirable there.

                  But the Chinese were far-sighted and hurried in advance. They are armed with a special light mountain tank "Type-15"
                  1. uav80
                    uav80 21 September 2020 09: 31
                    0
                    30 hp per ton is good, but the 105mm cannon will be too weak ...
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 21 September 2020 21: 51
                      +1
                      Why is it rather weak if it is cumulative?
                      1. uav80
                        uav80 22 September 2020 08: 48
                        +1
                        Cumulative is of course good, but not always, there is dynamic defense. and given that the Type-15 has light armor, which can withstand only small-caliber projectiles and fragments, they cannot grab a shield from artillery or OBP, and the targeting range is 1,5 times less than that of the same T-72, yes of course, you can use missiles, but it's expensive and not always effective ...
                        The mountain tank was developed a little for other tasks, mainly the fight against light armored vehicles, and not the confrontation with the OBP ...
              2. antivirus
                antivirus 18 September 2020 22: 05
                0
                How do the Indians carry out the acceptance of their military equipment!

                goal - for example: to reach Islamabad and Karachi. narrowly special model. Tank of Victory. for other areas -dr tanks
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            3. Jager
              Jager 21 September 2020 21: 06
              0
              And why did the Indians make a tank of such a mass, if it can only drive on the steppe, which one still needs to look for in India. Or some who could not in normal performance characteristics?))
              1. hrych
                hrych 21 September 2020 21: 54
                +1
                It is quite good for stony soils of the foothills. Just in the steppe, it gets bogged down in soft soil. Therefore, the expediency can be traced. Here he has a lot in common with the Leopard, maybe the Germans helped with what.
        2. Karaul73
          Karaul73 18 September 2020 17: 50
          -13 qualifying.
          Why didn't they deploy the latest T-90s? Don't they believe in them either?
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 18 September 2020 15: 52
        13
        Quote: Alvis07
        Don't be so happy. If there is a local "batch" with China, the T-72 will burn, and the "invincible" Arjun tanks will become the tanks of the Indian victory. "Arjun" will have advertising profits, and we will hear a new tub of slops about the T-72.

        I remember how much there was material in the media, the Turks also praised their Leopard 2, and then they got to Syria ..................
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 18 September 2020 16: 27
          +6
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Alvis07
          Don't be so happy. If there is a local "batch" with China, the T-72 will burn, and the "invincible" Arjun tanks will become the tanks of the Indian victory. "Arjun" will have advertising profits, and we will hear a new tub of slops about the T-72.

          I remember how much there was material in the media, the Turks also praised their Leopard 2, and then they got to Syria ..................

          fu Pavel ... not tolerant ...))))
      3. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 16: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alvis07
        Don't be so happy. If there is a local "batch" with China, the T-72 will burn, and the "invincible" Arjun tanks will become the tanks of the Indian victory.

        And if the victory is Chinese?
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 18 September 2020 20: 52
        +2
        Those who have aircraft destroying enemy tanks will win laughing
      5. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 September 2020 01: 00
        0
        If the kneading starts, then there will be no winners from the Indian side at all.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 18 September 2020 15: 55
      19
      Quote: Theodore
      But kaaak they dance and sing !!!!! Probably

      Who? Tanks or Indians? Anyway, Indian tanks look handsome!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 September 2020 16: 06
        +4
        Why is only such a handsome head man, Krishna himself helps him, those who are from behind are not there, fellow
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 18 September 2020 16: 07
        35
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Anyway, Indian tanks look handsome!

        You haven't seen their helicopters yet yes
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 19 September 2020 03: 00
          +4
          Drawings + 50m to the climb rate, carpets + 100m to the ceiling laughing
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 19 September 2020 16: 19
          +3
          laughing laughing laughing
          Haven't seen it so far thanks for the photo.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 September 2020 16: 26
      -1
      Quote: Theodore
      India has transferred T-72 to the border with China, Indian tanks "Arjun" can not withstand the conditions of the highlands

      we had garlands ...
    4. Bar1
      Bar1 18 September 2020 16: 51
      10
      there are problems with the engines, and the engines on these Arjuns are German.
    5. Split
      Split 18 September 2020 19: 10
      -2
      I can imagine what will happen when there are combat walking robots ... how they will prancing good
      Quote: Theodore
      But kaaak they dance and sing !!!!!
    6. unhappy
      unhappy 19 September 2020 09: 00
      -1
      How our tanks "dance" in biathlon is cool. How the Indians proudly display their tank columns is a smile. Not good hi
      1. Jager
        Jager 21 September 2020 21: 09
        0
        At the tank biathlon, the T-72 is not dressed up like a New Year tree.
        1. unhappy
          unhappy 22 September 2020 07: 36
          0
          what I represent the T-72 in "biathlon" paint on the battlefield.
          Although I understand, like the "red baron" of the Germans ...
          1. Jager
            Jager 27 September 2020 18: 32
            0
            Good idea, by the way. We will send a couple of these to the Belarusians. And tomorrow in the Polish newspapers the headlines "RED TANKS AT THE BORDER !!!!" soldier
            In Warsaw, diapers will be sold out in no time.
  2. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 42
    12
    And they said in the morning that the T-72 was outdated ... request
    And they are just how pleasantly they purr, my cats ...
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 18 September 2020 15: 50
      12
      Indian tanks stall on a snowy pass

      T-72 is outdated
      Like AK-47) The weapon of the USSR of the highest, first class, was created for victory in the world batch and it was winter, even if it was nuclear.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 54
        +7
        As the saying goes "Do you need a taxi or checkers?"
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 18 September 2020 16: 01
          +3
          As the saying goes "Do you need a taxi or checkers?"
          I do not know who is minus you, in my opinion it is correctly noticed.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 16: 10
            0
            The most interesting thing is that the "conflict" between India and China is the struggle of the Nanai boys. Apparently somewhere in the world there is some event, a very important event, and India and China were given the task to clatter to distract ... But where is this event, a good question ...
            I suspect Putin's speech on September 22 at the UN General Assembly.
            Or this weekend something will happen like MN-17 or Iran bombing or dill will go on the attack or Turkey
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 18 September 2020 16: 14
              +5
              They have a traditional grater, I'm not sure what they got the task, especially that China would dance to someone's tune. Unless the mattresses asked the Hindus to respond to the teachings of China from Taiwan, it is unlikely.
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 18 September 2020 16: 18
                -2
                There is also Germany ... Maybe the oval will accidentally come out of the window at the Charite clinic at night ...
                1. Cheshire
                  Cheshire 18 September 2020 20: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Maybe the oval will accidentally come out of the window at the Charite clinic at night ...

                  wassat you can't even hope for something like that ...
                2. Grits
                  Grits 19 September 2020 02: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  There is also Germany ... Maybe the oval will accidentally come out of the window at the Charite clinic at night ...

                  Shouting: "The Russians are coming!"
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 18 September 2020 18: 29
                +1
                Quote: Trapp1st
                They have a traditional grater, I'm not sure what they got the task, especially that China would dance to someone's tune. Unless the mattresses asked the Hindus to respond to the teachings of China from Taiwan, but it is unlikely.

                could easily, the Indians have a love with the Yankees.
            2. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 16: 47
              -1
              Quote: Tank jacket
              Apparently somewhere in the world there is some event, a very important event, and India and China were given the task of rattling to distract ..

              In this case, it is important that the "Nanai boys" do not overdo it.
              Or this weekend something will happen like MN-17 or Iran bombing or dill will go on the attack or Turkey

              Better is Putin's speech on September 22 at the UN General Assembly. hi
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 18 September 2020 16: 53
                0
                For me, too, Putin's speech at the UN General Assembly on September 22 is better. By the way, an interesting date is 22.09.2020/11.09.2001/XNUMX. In contrast to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the circle is closed. The circulation for Yugoslavia, BV Iraq, Avganistan, Libya, Siniya arrived ...
                1. Vladimir_6
                  Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 17: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  For me, too, Putin's speech at the UN General Assembly on September 22 is better.

                  good
                  By the way, an interesting date is 22.09.2020/11.09.2001/XNUMX. In contrast to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the circle is closed.

                  And there is another "interesting" date ahead, November 3, 2020. It is not long to wait.
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 18
                    +1
                    If only there was no War ...
                    1. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 17: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      If only there was no War ...

                      Truly so.
                      1. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 30
                        +1
                        But the chuyka says to be on the alert ... The odds will be ...
                      2. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 17: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        But the chuyka says to be on the alert ... The odds will be ...

                        The choice is not great there. Either Trump will throw off the globalists, or the globalists will throw off Trump.
                        So, yes, "Even will be .."
                        Some "incognita" doesn't like our dialogue. Minuses us with its hooked paws.
                    2. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 48
                      +3
                      Ooooh,
                      Trump pardoned Assange, and Snowden extended his residence permit in Russia.
                      Think analysts love
                      IVF "coincidence"
                    3. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 17: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      Trump pardoned Assange

                      There is one condition "If the founder of WikiLeaks reveals where the portal received confidential data from the servers of the Democratic Party hacked before the 2016 elections, he can be pardoned."
                      But most likely he will be pardoned. Great news!
                    4. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 57
                      0
                      good great news good
                      It is necessary to explain to the Germans and Poles well that it is time to spread rot on their porn elite ... Stick chains, fittings, everything according to instructions ... They are children ...
                    5. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 18: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      good great news good

                      Just under the great news, the spouse cooked a chicken in the oven.
                      I'm going to uncork the Bacardi. good
                    6. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 18: 06
                      0
                      Our takes ... Boldly uncork laughing drinks
        2. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 18 September 2020 23: 19
          +1
          Maybe I missed something. Can you tell me which Armageddian is scheduled for November 3?
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 23: 28
            +4
            Quote: Cossack 471
            Maybe I missed something. Can you tell me which Armageddian is scheduled for November 3?

            November 3 Trump US election. The Democrats announced in advance that they would not recognize the outcome.
            It is assumed that there will be riots, up to the civil war. hi
            1. Grits
              Grits 19 September 2020 02: 31
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              It is assumed that there will be riots, up to civil war

              Have you really waited? At last! The Lord heard our prayers.
            2. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 08: 56
              +2
              Quote: Gritsa
              Have you really waited? At last! The Lord heard our prayers.

              Hello Alexander! hi
              The United States so zealously brought "democracy" to the entire world, and now "democracy like in Iraq" is outlined in the United States itself. How it will become there is not yet known, for the Lord will sort out our prayers. Indeed, in the wishes to the Lord there are also such - "Stalin's name of Stalin, the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano," The whole world in dust ", etc.
              What He will choose there - God knows him. laughing
            3. Grits
              Grits 19 September 2020 14: 01
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Indeed, in the wishes to the Lord there are also such - "Stalin's name spilled, the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano," The whole world in dust ", etc.
              What He will choose there - God knows him

              I will pray that the explosion of Yellowstone will be added to the civil storm in the States. So, just in case ... Perhaps the Lord will understand that one cannot do without a new "Sodom and Gomorrah".
            4. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 17: 00
              0
              Quote: Gritsa
              I will pray that the explosion of Yellowstone will be added to the civil storm in the States. So, just in case ... Perhaps the Lord will understand that one cannot do without a new "Sodom and Gomorrah".

              And I am in favor of the obvious and the incredible. For the victory of Donald Trump and the fulfillment of his dream of getting along with Russia. If the two powers build the right relationship, big changes await us. drinks
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 18 September 2020 23: 45
      +2
      Elections in the United States.
      An Armageddian can start very serious if any of the candidates wins. And in a country that has nuclear weapons and is engulfed in a revolution (riots), anything can happen.
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 00: 18
        +2
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Elections in the United States.
        An Armageddian can start very serious if any of the candidates wins. And in a country that has nuclear weapons and is engulfed in a revolution (riots), anything can happen.

        Biden has no chance whatsoever. And Trump punches the US public for 3 terms. He says that 2 years of his first presidential term were stolen from him by endless squabbles. There is such a video from I. Panarin.
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  • Katanikotael
    Katanikotael 18 September 2020 16: 27
    -1
    They have more than a thousand T-90s, why was the T-72 sent?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 September 2020 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Katanikotael
      They have more than a thousand T-90s, why was the T-72 sent?

      so that the service life (engine hours) does not waste newer tanks (T-90S), they also have graters with Pakistan (by the way, also a nuclear power) ...
  • Glenni
    Glenni 18 September 2020 16: 30
    -2
    Apparently sorry for their tanks.
  • Kaw
    Kaw 18 September 2020 17: 16
    -1
    Why wasn't the T-90 used?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 18 September 2020 17: 40
    +2
    Advertising will not replace years of practical use, whatever one may say)
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 September 2020 17: 49
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Anyway, Indian tanks look handsome

    Like elephants in a parade.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 September 2020 17: 58
    +2
    To be honest, I only sympathize with our tanks in this news. They work in every opera in the world (this causes pride in their excellent quality), but what kind of loads are these - one and the same tank plows in the desert, in the mountains, or beyond the Arctic Circle.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 September 2020 18: 09
    0
    It's no wonder why tanks are not painted white !!! Zyama, however. wassat
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  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 18 September 2020 18: 20
    +3
    It was the same in Chechnya, T72 is a real fighter for the war.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 September 2020 18: 27
    +1
    sources in India reported that the tanks of the Indian manufacturer HVF (Heavy Vehicles Factory) are having problems with engine stability in thin air.


    If we consider that these are German engines, then pride in our tank building arises))
  • Rage66
    Rage66 18 September 2020 19: 00
    +2
    I wonder if the PLA is fighting there without tanks? Something about the Type-96 in the mountains is silent ...
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  • Height 100
    Height 100 18 September 2020 19: 41
    +5
    Eh the Indians ... You don’t listen to Russia in the standards of weapons and the layered air defense system and defense ... hi
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 18 September 2020 19: 57
    +3
    If you want to "show off" at parades - buy Abrams and M-16. If you want to fight, buy T-72, AK and RPG-7 good
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 18 September 2020 23: 01
    +1
    India has transferred T-72 to the border with China, Indian tanks "Arjun" can not withstand the conditions of the highlands

    I took off the transfer of such a unit to a smartphone - I posted it on the Internet - I saved my Chinese neighbor time for exploration! )))
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 18 September 2020 23: 15
    0
    Sorry for the amateurish question .. How effective are tanks in the mountains, especially in the highlands? Is there a Great Wall of China (Maginot, Mannerheim, variants ..), which needs to be "broken"? repeat
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 18 September 2020 23: 55
      +1
      Danil, hello. hi
      Quote: Tank Hard
      How effective are tanks in the mountains, especially in the highlands?

      With skillful use, an irreplaceable thing. Long-range sniper "rifle". It is clear that reconnaissance is ahead, but we are already working on the exposed firing points. Caliber for a rocky groove, that's it. Well, and the most "important", in the tank, despite the fact that it is iron winkmuch warmer than outside. laughing
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 19 September 2020 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        With skillful use, an irreplaceable thing. Long-range sniper "rifle". It is clear that reconnaissance is ahead, but we are already working on the exposed firing points. Caliber for a rocky groove, that's it. Well, and most importantly, in the tank, despite the fact that it is made of iron, it is much warmer than outside

        Stas, hello! Thanks for the clarification! hi
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 18 September 2020 23: 49
    +2
    Tanks "Arjun" reminded me of the mountain tractor "Kolkhida" from the times of the USSR, assembled in Armenia. This mountain tractor drove only on flat roads and absolutely did not go uphill.
    1. Grits
      Grits 19 September 2020 02: 34
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      Tanks "Arjun" reminded me of the mountain tractor "Kolkhida" from the times of the USSR, assembled in Armenia. This mountain tractor drove only on flat roads and absolutely did not go uphill.

      Isn't it in Kutaisi?
      And I also heard about the fact that Kolhada was full of shit
  • migsu
    migsu 19 September 2020 01: 01
    -1
    Not a website, but the oldest application to the pre-pyramidal era, where the reaction of the system is hundreds of generations of its creators.
  • garik77
    garik77 19 September 2020 01: 54
    0
    Oh, and sho so ??? They made a beautiful car! True fucking does not go, but at parades it looks just super!
  • ont65
    ont65 19 September 2020 03: 19
    0
    This is interesting in itself, but I am afraid that our technology will help the Indians as it helped Egypt in its confrontation with Israel. There are many countries buying up the best equipment and at the same time shamelessly squandering any conflicts. So it was and will be.
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 19 September 2020 06: 38
    0
    Well, what can I say ... When real work is needed, then Russian tanks come.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 September 2020 09: 22
    0
    Are you afraid of the T90 too? Or hard for the mountains?
  • Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 20 September 2020 23: 02
    0
    Author! There is no such word "whimsical" in Russian !!!