Roskosmos will change the look of a super-heavy rocket for flights to the Moon

Roskosmos has decided to change the face of the new Russian super-heavy carrier rocket Yenisei. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation.

As explained, a change in the appearance of the rocket will be made this year, the results of the technical project will complement the preliminary design of the rocket, developed last year. In particular, a possible change in appearance will affect the central block of the rocket, which is proposed to be lengthened.

According to the results of the technical project in terms of the appearance of the super-heavy class space rocket complex, its ground space infrastructure and production facilities for its components, adjustments will be made to the tactical and technical tasks for the creation of a super-heavy class space rocket complex

- said in a statement.

As Rogozin previously said, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products. The start of flight design tests of the Russian superheavy rocket is scheduled for 2028, and a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny spaceport.

The declared missile carrying capacity is 88 tons, it will be able to provide the launch of a manned transport ship weighing 20 tons into the polar near-moon orbit. It is supposed to use the Yenisei for flights to the moon, including for the delivery of astronauts to the earth's satellite.

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[hrych]

Everything is already clear, under the atomic planetary craft will now be customized. In general, the Union will probably lengthen the last step and hello.

At least Proton can clearly handle it. To know, of course, the mass of the planetary spacecraft. And rightly so, it makes no sense to fence a gigantic booster on earth when the apparatus itself will accelerate to the second space and beyond.

[Livonetc]

I do not understand.
Now they bury the lunar program, then new movements.
Is there any officially approved and published program?

[venik]

Quote: Livonetc

Is there any officially approved and published program?

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There is no program ..... But there is another chatter of Rogozin!

[Piramidon]

Quote: venik

Quote: Livonetc

Is there any officially approved and published program?

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There is no program ..... But there is another chatter of Rogozin!

Rogozin has been gushing all sorts of plans and ideas lately. Apparently the money is running out.

[venik]

Quote: Piramidon

Rogozin has been gushing all sorts of plans and ideas lately. Apparently the money is running out.

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What else can you expect from journalist (by education) and philosopher (by academic degree)? And those and others (in the sense of both journalists and philosophers) - such a service! As with political officers: Order "Clean workplace!" - means "shut your mouth"!!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: venik

And what else can you expect from a journalist (by education) and a philosopher (by an academic degree)?

I could argue with you about education (Stalin was a half-educated priest, Peter I was engaged in self-education in general ...) But this does not prevent talented people from occupying high positions and influencing processes within the country

[Dimy4]

But this does not prevent talented people from holding high positions and influencing processes within the country.

The key word is talented!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Dimy4

But this does not prevent talented people from holding high positions and influencing processes within the country.

The key word is talented!

I do not think that in Russia with talents "FSE". She was always rich in them. But how to get them into the upper echelons is an open question.

[mlad]

All talents have gone into business, you won't earn a lot of money in state structures

[Filxnumx]

Your confidence suggests that you know a lot of talented people endowed with state power. So, talent in the studio! (already warm my palms for applause)

[Akuzenka]

But this does not prevent talented people from holding high positions and influencing processes within the country.

Alas, colleague. This is not the case. In general, I agree with the previous speaker, all this for the sake of drinking. And we can dream better than Rogozin!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: venik

There is no program ..... But there is another chatter of Rogozin!

Quote: Piramidon

Rogozin has been gushing all sorts of plans and ideas lately. Apparently the money is running out.

You shouldn't be like that. Here's a cool idea:

As Rogozin said earlier, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products.

I copied it from myself. The head of Roscosmos is assembled according to the type of constructor: journalism education + economics on the basis of the University of Marxism-Leninism + PhD in Philosophy + Doctor of Technical Sciences (specifics not specified) + statesman + organizer of the defense industry and military science + diplomat = head of Roscosmos !!! In this constructor, it was not possible to put the head in place and put your hands in the right place ... So they grow from ...
And so it is everywhere in Russia. Wherever you stick, either you will run into a doctor of technical sciences, or a lawyer with a diploma, or some HSE graduate.
And they are not accustomed to work. They plan and plot everything. And we wonder why weeds and thistles grow on such a messy soil.
Today, you can take some well-known in small circles "EDRA" (or a party close in spirit ... even the opposition) leader and say:
"HERE IS HE - THE SAVIOR, THE HOPE AND THE FUTURE OF RUSSIA"?

[hrych]

Quote: Livonetc

then new movements

A megawatt class nuclear power plant appeared compact, so interplanetary flights became a reality, ion engines became efficient. Therefore, we are talking about installation in orbit, a trailer to the planetary spacecraft of satellites and descent vehicles in orbit. And then the donkey himself to the Moon, Venus and Jupiter. And of course the Moon is first in line. There, hanging ... and mocking.

[Jurkovs]

Is there any officially approved and published program?

There is. Already the third in the post-Soviet period.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Jurkovs

Already the third in the post-Soviet period.

I wonder if you managed to master the money for each of the three?

[Lexus]

I wonder if you managed to master the money for each of the three?

Colleague, welcome!
How can you doubt the capabilities of Raspilkosmos and its main contractor?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lexus

How can you doubt the capabilities of Raspilkosmos and its main contractor?

Hello Kamrad. Some kind of sad cartoons come out. At this rate, we will soon unsuccessfully try to catch up and overtake Guinea-Bissau.

[Lexus]

Yes, in general, sane and sober-minded people are not funny for a long time.

[slipped]

Quote: Livonetc

I do not understand.
Now they bury the lunar program, then new movements.
Is there any officially approved and published program?

Of course, the Federal Space Program https://www.roscosmos.ru/22347/

[Simon schempp]

under the atomic planetary spacecraft will now be adjusted

In fact, the planetary spacecraft will look like this.

[Beringovsky]

And fly to Jupiter. Why waste your time on little things like the Moon?
The state corporation "Roscosmos" considers the natural satellite of the planet Jupiter Callisto as the most promising place for the third inhabited base after the Moon and Mars.

"Callisto is the third place in the solar system, where, in the opinion of the scientific community, it is most expedient to organize a base for humans after the Moon and Mars," said Alexander Bloshenko, executive director of Roscosmos for promising programs and science, to TASS.

[Orange bigg]

You have not seen the Ukrainian lunar program yet. Infographics with the stages of the exploration of the Moon by Ukraine at the link below.

Ukrainian lunar program

Let's build a lunar station and then fly to Mars. Ukrainian designers announced the possibility of launching a manned space flight program. In the near future - the creation of a lunar station, and in the long term - flights to the fiery Mars.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5f425851e69d47622e41e4fe/ukrainskaia-lunnaia-programma-5f47cd8ce0f8444dc74a45bf

[Roman13579]

You can immediately see that we are brothers ..))

[astepanov]

Quote: hrych

Everything is already clear, under the atomic planetary craft will now be customized.

To be honest, the idea of ​​an atomic planetary spacecraft begins to cause me doubts from the moment I began to count. In any case, it seems to take longer to reach planets than chemical-fueled rockets, and many times longer. And as a carrier of a manned spacecraft, he seems completely absurd. I'm preparing an article for discussion - maybe I'm wrong and there will be more savvy people who will dispel doubts.

[Blackmokona]

Here is a link to a document that will help you in the article
http://engjournal.ru/articles/1889/1889.pdf

[Alexey Sommer]

Of course, the authors of this report are apparently venerable and prominent engineers, but the mass of the payload and the speed of its delivery contradict everything that I previously knew about the essence of ion engines. Those. the speed of delivery in the first place does not seem to be a big advantage of ion engines over today's chemical ones, judging by the table given in the article.

[Blackmokona]

The flight speed of ion thrusters can only be advantageous on very very very long flights. For example between the stars.
Ion engines, and in general all EJEs, are distinguished by very low thrust, very high energy consumption and low fuel consumption. Ie high UI
Thus, to get the same acceleration that a chemical jet engine gives in seconds of operation, they need many days.
Also, even though ion engines consume little fuel, they need a very powerful source of energy, which means he needs to carry a very massive device with him, which greatly neglects the decrease in the mass of the fuel tank.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

> To know of course the mass of the planetary spacecraft

two 0.5 each, take care of the liver

[slipped]

Quote: hrych

In general, the Union will probably lengthen the last step and hello.

No. At Soyuz-2, on the contrary, for launching into a sun-synchronous orbit, the currently used upper stage Fregat will be removed by throttling the third stage engine, thereby reducing the cost of launching a commercial payload several times.

Quote: hrych

At least Proton can clearly handle it.

All new payloads, except for several vehicles in a high degree of factory readiness, are already being created under the Angara launch vehicle.

Quote: hrych

And rightly so, it makes no sense to fence a gigantic booster on earth when the apparatus itself will accelerate to the second space and beyond.

The nuclear tug is an unmanned truck. KRK STK will be created for a manned program

[Grandfather]

Roskosmos will change the look of a super-heavy rocket for flights to the Moon

change the journalist to the Scientist, and everything will fall into place.

[210ox]

All the news related to Roscosmos is surprising. Maybe it's time for them to present something material, and not plans?

[K-612-O]

Corrections based on the results of draft and technical designs routine working procedure

[210ox]

Routine is related to work. But here it is just a voice of what may not yet happen. Roscosmos, you know.

[rocket757]

Roskosmos has decided to change the face of the new Russian super-heavy carrier rocket Yenisei. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation.

Are they talking about WHAT? The rocket does not look like feng shui?

As Rogozin said earlier, the new rocket will be assembled according to

Well, a storyteller, a great friend of trampoline sports ... what else to say about him ???

[Snail N9]

"Change appearance"? Well, will it really look like a big trampoline? Finally! And you say the dude does not hold his words.

[Lexus]

Well, will it really look like a big trampoline?

Don't even dream! "These" always get what their "hands are sharpened" for.

[SAG]

The declared payload of the rocket is 88 tons

They want when they can

[Ingvar 72]

But can only when they want?

[Lexus]

They always want, but they can only bring money "into new orbits".

[slipped]

Quote: SAG

The declared payload of the rocket is 88 tons

They want when they can

This is incorrect data. KRK STK has a lifting capacity of 103 tons.

[Curt]

Better return the energy. There was 100 tons of carrying capacity

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

What can they do? Draw sketches? Their art is expensive.

[Avior]

As Rogozin said earlier, the new rocket will be assembled

will be assembled for five years longer, because it was extended.
And there they will also add with a shift of the dates to the right.

[Roman13579]

There, then, it will be necessary to shorten it ..))

[Beringovsky]

The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket is scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

In general, as always, promises of great victories. But in the distant future. And then how to do it, but to do it as always - the deadline will be postponed.
But money ahead!

[Alvis07]

If there is a lengthening of the rocket, most likely, it will already be necessary to paint it with Khokhloma, because Gzhel looks more organic on compact structures.

[Simon schempp]

it will already be necessary to paint it with Khokhloma, because Gzhel looks more organic on compact structures

I don't think it matters. The most important thing is to consecrate with holy water.

[Alvis07]

I agree, how could I have missed this important point!

[Per se.]

Quote: Alvis07

how could I have missed this important point!

Now sprinkling for each start will be very relevant (even better, a prayer service), against the background of general reductions, optimizations and deflection in education and science in the country.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

I wonder if they sprinkle Roscosmos for free? And then a relative just got married to six mowers. A stupid person, what can I say. Another word does not let the filter.

[Per se.]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

here a relative just got married to six mowers

The priests now have a dachshund for everything. Probably, soon "cognac" stars on the "holy water" will start to be put, depending on the amount of consecration. Also, I wonder, these mercantile money-grubbers in robes, do they themselves believe in God? ...

[Lexus]

The priests now have a dachshund for everything. Probably, soon "cognac" stars on the "holy water" will start to be put, depending on the amount of consecration.

Somewhere I saw data that painting one rocket costs "Sawpilkosmos" 170 thousand rubles. According to the price list. With such success it was possible to fill it with "Kahor".

[Maxim364364]

With the arrival of Rogozin, the expression earth has the form of a chumadan sparkled with new colors.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Musk's trampolines are actually flying today. And what is flying at Roscosmos today? Well stern fantasies! Are our rockets already flying to the Moon and plowing its expanses? And tomorrow they will easily send a team of astronauts to the moon ?!

[Petrograd]

Yeah, but where will they take the brigade or the Russian land has not become scarce even for Dzhamshuts and Ravshans

[ultra]

In fact, Soviet developments are flying and let them fly further, this is normal, one should not scatter already small resources, but concentrate on really breakthrough areas.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

concentrate on really breakthrough directions

And where did you break through in 30 years?

[slipped]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Musk's trampolines are actually flying today. And what is flying at Roscosmos today?

Well, this astronaut was launched with a trampoline, he has been flying there for several months

and another trampoline is being prepared for another

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Well stern fantasies! Are our rockets already flying to the Moon and plowing its expanses?

Our rockets have been flying for a long time behind The moon

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

And tomorrow they will easily send a team of astronauts to the moon ?!

No, in October next year, the launch of the automatic station "Luna-25".

[Disant]

SovetskiySoyuz2, where will your American trampoline from Musk rise above 400 km then?
Nowhere.
And the Americans spent 10 years on development to once again learn to lift a person into orbit, and even in beautiful rubber boots. Moreover, there is only one launch, at the end of the landing, the poisonous vapors went off, the cosmonauts were barely pulled out.
You can't land on solid ground and it's scary - there is no admission. Only into the water.
So the Americans still have to work and work. The trampoline is not ready.

[Legionista]

The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket is scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

in 2028 Rogozin will be 65 years old. Hope he retires

[zwlad]

Do you think this will save the space industry?

[KVU-NSVD]

Recently, only a nerve rises from all the news from Roscosmos

[slipped]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Recently, only a nerve rises from all the news from Roscosmos

Drink pills, validolchik and do not read RIA news, it all turned yellow there

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: slipped

Drink pills, validolchik

Better than a home product, a hundred and a half grams.

[7,62x54]

Rogozin is like an artist. He gets smoked, goes away for a smoke, thinks. Will return to the easel, and the shadows have moved, it is necessary to redraw. And even the trouble is when you can't draw.
But it is expensive to maintain this montage.

[al3x]

Seeing the name of science fiction writer R. in the article, you can finish reading.

[Snail N9]

Something quiet about the previously promoted, wherever possible and impossible, such as "Leonov's engine" ...

[Lexus]

Something silence about the previously promoted

According to the established tradition, it has lost its relevance due to the fact that it was "successfully sawn".

[Glennie]

Isn't it cheaper to catch a UFO and ask to throw it up to the moon? Look how many of them fly, even during the day!

[Snail N9]

"Even during the day" do you have UFOs flying? You this .... tie up with the "Newbie" ...

[Beringovsky]

Quote: Glenni

Isn't it cheaper to catch a UFO and ask to throw it up to the moon? Look how many of them fly, even during the day!

If you ask them to throw Rogozin there, then I’m behind two hands.

[Trapp1st]

Forgive us Marty

[gridasov]

The creation of effective heavy missiles is possible only on the basis of working with the principles of increasing the energy density in the engines, but no matter how in changing the appearance of the rocket.

[ultra]

Quote: gridasov

principles of increasing energy density

What energy density (ideal gas, elastic body, photon gas ...) are you going to increase?

[gridasov]

Irony is in vain! The fact is that a dipole material structure as an elementary particle consists of dynamic magnetic fluxes, including rotating magnetic fluxes, etc. But energy as a concept and essence of the phenomenon is nothing more than the space formed between these magnetic dipole fluxes. Therefore, any movable systems, including plasma, have an analogy that is exactly comparable to the dipole structure of matter. By the way, a natural series of numbers is also tied to this, so that the information description corresponds to the possibility of an optimal description of the process. And therefore the energy density is nothing more than that elementary geometric space as an effect between always dynamic magnetic fluxes and this space itself is always a derivative. In general, in simple terms, the more intense the binary processes of magnetic interacting flows, the higher the energy density, which means there are several methods for increasing these parameters of the fuel as an energy source. Therefore, the search for a finished material with a high energy density is a search for a completely unstable substance. This means that you need to organize the process in such a way that the transformation rate of this substance is as high as possible. And this is not a very difficult task.

[Diviz]

Do not sculpt the main flag of mattress mats on the rocket.

[Jurkovs]

Roskosmos will change the look of a super-heavy rocket for flights to the Moon

And this is not the first time, and I think it will not be the last.

... the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a constructor from ready-made elements that are independent products

Big greetings from the Khruniks. First, it became known about the non-interchangeability of the central and lateral URMs. Now we know. that side URMs cannot be used separately. That is, the side block cannot be used as a light Hangara-A1.2. The same is in store for Yenisei, because the idea either has not matured or is fundamentally flawed.

[slipped]

Quote: Jurkovs

That is, the side block cannot be used as a light Hangara-A1.2.

This will be possible in a serial product with unification. A1.2 apart from the URM also has an aggregate module.

[Jurkovs]

Quote: slipped

This will be possible in a serial product with unification.

Will be gone.

[slipped]

Will be. Serialized since 2023.

[Alien From]

What a week Rogozin ... ... and pours out phrases of a science fiction writer ...

[for]

Rockets from Yudashkin and Zverev.

[K-50]

When you, damn it, decide on something !!! And you will not constantly "improve" !!!!!!
Do something good at last !! How much can you experiment for our money !!!

[Dikson]

... Phew ... I felt relieved straight from my heart after reading the article .. I, as a sinful thing, thought that they would start building something similar to Elon Musk's rocket ..., from the illustrations for the book "Dunno on the Moon" ... according to the old Soviet scheme, it turns out: "let's reduce the apparatus - lengthen the coil!" ...

[yfast]

Quote: 210ox

All the news related to Roscosmos is surprising. Maybe it's time for them to present something material, and not plans?

Accusations?

[strelokmira]

As Rogozin said earlier, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products. A launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

I have already heard something similar, a super-heavy launch vehicle, a modular design, will be launched from Vostochny. Deja vu

[slipped]

Quote: strelokmira

I have already heard something similar, a super-heavy launch vehicle, a modular design, will be launched from Vostochny. Deja vu

This was the plant's proposal for a large line of Angara missiles. Ultimately, contracts were concluded for the production of A1.2, A5, A5M (P), A5V

[Undecim]

Roscosmos decided to change its appearance
One can immediately feel the handwriting of a modern amateur cracker, removed from the understanding of the described issues for light years.
Why should a rocket change its "appearance", that is, appearance? The appearance of a rocket is a derivative of its design, created according to certain criteria. Therefore, a woman's appearance can be changed with the help of Botox, while the design of technical products changes.

[Lexus]

So "Raspilkosmos" does not go further than appearances on "propaganda" - money "evaporates".

[nnm]

I propose not to waste time on trifles with statements, but to move on to large-scale wishes:

[Lexus]

I propose not to waste time on trifles with statements, but to move on to large-scale wishes:

[Roman13579]

There is no rocket, but we change the look ..))

[slipped]

Quote: Roman13579

There is no rocket, but we change the look ..))

The design work is in progress. The hydrogen stage can be increased in size for the new payload.

[Hog]

They decided to redraw the picture, well done, you can see the work is in full swing.

[slipped]

Quote: Hog

They decided to redraw the picture, well done, you can see the work is in full swing.

Yes, they also buy new domestic welding machines, just for friction welding of STK modules

[Diviz]

Meanwhile, in China ... The city of Kitomars appeared. And everything is there for people. Well that is people are Chinese because there is no one on Mars except Chinese people.

[O. Bender]

I thought there would be new bumpers and spoilers ... but that's what it is!

[Filxnumx]

Quote: Piramidon

how to get them to the upper echelons,

The question is not HOW to get through. Here, everything is more or less worked out: gather a team for yourself and blow into power. The whole difficulty is how to gather talented and gifted and unite them into a team of like-minded people (not to be confused with a team of loyal subjects). Because this process is long, complex and largely relies only on chance ..