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Discussion of Lukashenka's request for weapons: hypersonic complexes "Kinzhal" could be based in Belarus

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Discussion of Lukashenka's request for weapons: hypersonic complexes "Kinzhal" could be based in Belarus

The day before, at a meeting with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, while in Sochi, he had asked Vladimir Putin to supply the latest Russian weapons to Belarus. This statement is being discussed online. Considerations are being put forward as to what kind of weapons Lukashenka could have requested from Vladimir Putin, and whether we are talking about buying weapons from the Russian Federation or about deliveries within the framework of creating a common military base in the format of the Union State army?


Discussing possible arms deliveries to the Republic of Belarus, experts note that these could be upgraded versions of Iskander-M operational-tactical complexes. But there is a certain nuance here. Such complexes are already on the territory of the Kaliningrad region. And, by and large, they are deployed there as a striking force capable of responding not only to threats against the westernmost region of Russia with the base of the Baltic fleetbut also to threats against Belarus. After all, Belarus is, firstly, de jure a part of the Union State, and secondly, it is part of the CSTO. Therefore, it is not entirely expedient to deploy Iskander-Ms in Belarus if we are talking about a single defense space between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus.

Earlier in open sources it was announced that Russia delivered two S-400 Triumph air defense systems to Belarus. On the other hand, even if there were no such supplies, then, again, the "Kaliningrad" S-400s completely cover the Belarusian borders from illegal encroachment on the part of NATO military means. aviation.

In this regard, experts are discussing the question of what exactly might be behind the request from Lukashenka to supply the latest weapons to the Republic of Belarus? If the President of Belarus really intends to develop a strategic partnership and follow the path of integration, then one of the options in the military sphere could be the creation of a single base of the Union State. Such an object could be based on the Russian MiG-31K complexes - hypersonic weapon "Dagger", also the latest electronic warfare. Experts are also considering the possible formation of a joint shock tank fist on the western borders of the Republic of Belarus - with tanks T-14 "Armata" of the new generation - as a counterbalance to the American military presence in Poland and Lithuania.

Will Lukashenka agree to this, or, after taking a pause to look at the reaction of the West, will he play back again with the transition to the usual multi-vector track? The answer to this question may be received in the near future.
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  1. palata
    palata 17 September 2020 18: 02
    15
    Daddy is playing again .. The deployment of a Russian military base in Belarus will solve ALL problems! And it's better if it unites, it seems that everything goes to this
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 17 September 2020 18: 07
      13
      "Kaliningrad" S-400s completely cover the Belarusian borders from illegal encroachment on the part of NATO military aircraft.

      This is not true! But what about the Baltic countries with Poland? Don't they provide threats if an enemy raid comes from their side? To shoot down their planes in pursuit is not comme il faut! Even for the S-400!
      Hey minus! Justify!
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 18: 21
        11
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        But what about the Baltic countries with Poland? Don't they provide threats

        Independently, the Poles and the Balts can only threaten with statements. And if you mean "enemy raid" by NATO forces from these directions, it is said that in response a blow will be struck at decision-making centers.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 17 September 2020 18: 31
          22
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          Independently, the Poles and the Balts can only threaten with statements. And if you mean "enemy raid" by NATO forces from these directions, it is said that in response a blow will be struck at decision-making centers.

          But from a blow to the decision-making centers, the enemy air raid will not stop! You still need to shoot them down! Therefore, our S-400 complexes should be located in Belarus.
          As a former pvoshnik I am telling you this!
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 17 September 2020 19: 00
            12
            Striking at the decision-making centers is already a global kirdyk. That there are some raids.
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 17 September 2020 21: 31
              -1
              Not all yogurts are equally healthy.
              BLM - "yellow vests" - BCHB-zmagars
              (under the "Kukryniksy")
              1. hrych
                hrych 17 September 2020 22: 32
                +5
                Quote: Thrall
                "yellow vests"

                Always remembering the Chinese yellow band revolt wassat
                On this topic. We certainly understand that the Dagger is primarily a strategic weapon. As the anti-ship missile system is good, but we guess that the front fairings are heating on hypersound and the operation of the RGSN, as IKGSN, is extremely difficult, one might even say - impossible, especially at the surface. Therefore, we mean that it will not fly into the side of the enemy's trough. Although if there is a vacuum from a height, to capture a target and instantly dive - no one has canceled either. But it is his place to hit the area with a vigorous charge, and because of its speed, it is unrealistic to escape from the affected area. Therefore, it is necessary and useful to place tactical nuclear weapons, as well as strategic (the INF Treaty in the furnace) in the Republic of Belarus.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 19 September 2020 15: 30
                  +2
                  So far, the "Dagger" has not confirmed its anti-ship properties with real launches, but perhaps this is only for now - it is studying. But as a high-precision RSD for stationary and highly protected targets - it is quite good for itself. But since his range is good, it is better to place the MiG-31K base somewhere near Smolensk, he will get it from there. And in the Republic of Belarus, the Iskander-M brigade should be permanently deployed, a combined air brigade (fighters, strikers, helicopters), air defense systems to cover the direction and military groups and Russian military facilities, nuclear power plants and other infrastructure (to supplement Belarusian air defense forces ), deploy electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems, a reinforced tank grouping + artillery, MLRS - to unblock the Kaliningrad region. in case of attack or threat of attack.
                  AND ACTIVE JOINT TEACHINGS.
              2. bayard
                bayard 18 September 2020 00: 30
                +7
                It looks like the world is completely overwhelmed
                Quote: Thrall
                BLM - "yellow vests" - BCHB-zmagars
                (under the "Kukryniksy")

                And Luka promised to fight in one trench ... It looks like the time has come.
                What the European Parliament has gotten out of today is a declaration of war. The glove is thrown. Therefore, it is necessary to deploy troops in the western direction and in Belarus immediately. "Dagger", if there is anything ... rather "Iskander" - a brigade, an air regiment to cover both it and the direction as a whole. A striking fist is a must, because Kaliningrad will have to be bailed out with an instant reaction. Air defense assets - as quickly and in echelon as possible.
                In general, it would be nice to deploy Russian units on the western border of the Republic of Belarus, and deploy the liberated Belarusian units on the Ukrainian and Lithuanian ones. So it would be logical
          2. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 19: 01
            14
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            But from a blow to the decision-making centers, the enemy air raid will not stop! You still need to shoot them down! Therefore, our S-400 complexes should be located in Belarus.
            As a former pvoshnik I am telling you this!

            I am sure that from the prospect of getting Armageddon, "an enemy air raid will not take place" in principle. I am telling you this as a former serviceman of the 38th Missile Division of the Strategic Missile Forces (military unit 33738). soldier
            I don't mind air defense systems (and not only).
            Hey minus! Justify!

            Alexander, I do not minus, I justify. hi
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 17 September 2020 19: 11
              +7
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              I am sure that from the prospect of getting Armageddon, "an enemy air raid will not take place" in principle.

              Well, hope for the enemy, but don't make a mistake yourself! In any case, the border, including the air border, must be locked!
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              I am telling you this as a former serviceman of the 38th Missile Division of the Strategic Missile Forces (military unit 33738).

              And I, as a former soldier of military unit 67985 Air Defense, Red Banner Belorussian Military District. By the way: initially we belonged to the missile forces and artillery, in 1974 they made our holiday - Air Defense Day.
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Alexander, I do not minus, I justify.

              I understand Vladimir, I have no complaints against you. I myself never put cons. hi
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 19: 40
                +2
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                Well, hope for the enemy, but don't make a mistake yourself! In any case, the border, including the air border, must be locked!

                Russian air defense systems are deservedly the best in the world. We can sleep well.
                By the way: initially we belonged to the missile forces and artillery, in 1974 they made our holiday - Air Defense Day.

                I was demobilized in November 1974.
                And its Strategic Missile Forces Day appeared only in 1995.
                I understand Vladimir, I have no complaints against you. I myself never put cons.

                Well, right. They don't make sense. drinks
              2. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 17 September 2020 19: 51
                -4
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                I myself never put cons.

                Mishanya74 (Mikhail Malakhov)
                Today, 18: 15
                NEW

                -9
                In addition to this mustachioed obos.r., Belarus has no problems


                Even for this ??? I am amazed at your tolerance.
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 22: 03
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              I am telling you this as a former soldier of the 38th missile division

              Unfortunately, such decisions are made not by military personnel (including former ones) of missile divisions, but by politicians.
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 22: 38
                +1
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Unfortunately, such decisions are made not by military personnel (including former ones) of missile divisions, but by politicians.

                I didn't even hint at it. Alexander and I jokingly designated the type of troops in which we paid our debt to the Motherland. hi
              2. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 11: 45
                +1
                laughing politicians, namely, the GDP, as it were, clearly hinted that the military solution in relation to Russia will then click ... and if it comes down to the generals of the Strategic Missile Forces, then there are a lot of "repulsed" in the good sense of the word, officers-firing
          3. PalBor
            PalBor 18 September 2020 00: 42
            +1
            Is there not enough Torah? Well, is the modernization of the C-300 not enough? Enough.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 18 September 2020 11: 37
              +1
              Torah is the same object air defense, no one will touch them, since in a competent air defense system they are behind the C-systems and Bukov.
              But it's still very interesting what weapon Luka requested from VVP.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 17 September 2020 19: 41
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          so it is said that the decision-making centers will be hit in response.

          So direct and in the decision-making centers? And perhaps nuclear weapons? Straight to where the families and money of our "masters of the country" are? And the same honest man who promised not to raise the retirement age and not to change the constitution spoke about this? Did I miss anything?
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 20: 32
            +8
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            So direct and in the decision-making centers? And perhaps nuclear weapons? Straight to where the families and money of our "masters of the country" are? And the same honest man who promised not to raise the retirement age and not to change the constitution spoke about this? Did I miss anything?

            So much irony in your questions. I do not understand whether you want to surprise me or defeat me with intelligence?
            Understand the essence of your own questions first, and only then bring them up for discussion.
            Putin's announcement of a RESPONSE strike against decision-making centers was made in response to American wishes for a limited nuclear war and a decapitation strike, in order to cool the hot heads in those centers where plans for a limited nuclear war are hatching.
            All your "vinaigrette" about families, the money of our "masters of the country", the retirement age and the constitution does not fit into the essence of the paragraph you have highlighted.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 17 September 2020 20: 56
              -6
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              All your "vinaigrette" about families, the money of our "masters of the country", the retirement age and the constitution does not fit into the essence of the paragraph you have highlighted.

              All my "vinaigrette" is just that there will be no blow until there is a real threat to our "masters of life" to be left "without pants." And all this talk about the Motherland, Kaliningrad, Belarus, the Russian world is only for the "electorate". They have no homeland, only money, yachts, villas, and those are where these very "decision-making centers" are.
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 21: 26
                +7
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                All my "vinaigrette" is just that there will be no blow until there is a real threat to our "masters of life" to be left "without pants."

                There will be no blow until the West knows that THEIR blow will lead to THEIR destruction.
                PS Your cons are not mine. hi
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          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 22: 09
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Straight to where the families and money of our "masters of the country" are?

            What have your masters got to do with it? We are not about Ukraine.
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 17 September 2020 21: 35
          -5
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But what about the Baltic countries with Poland? Don't they provide threats

          Independently, the Poles and the Balts can only threaten with statements. And if you mean "enemy raid" by NATO forces from these directions, it is said that in response a blow will be struck at decision-making centers.

          You will settle down with your decision-making center, for this you need to have eggs and the absence of a brain, because in return it will fly right there. Any war will start with conventional weapons, and then it may develop into Yao, although they thought the same at 30, and at 40 everyone was pissed off to apply chemistry
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 22: 28
            0
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Calm down with your decision-making center

            In your center, you will teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup correctly. If you have it.
            Any war will start with conventional weapons, and then possibly develop into yao

            Very deep knowledge. I myself would not have guessed. Probably defended his doctoral dissertation on this topic?
            for this you need to have eggs ... all pissed ..

            Rich vocabulary. Anneal some more, Sasha.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 18 September 2020 01: 57
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              In your center, you will teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup correctly. If you have it.

              Maybe I can teach your wife in my center?

              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Very deep knowledge. I myself would not have guessed. Probably defended his doctoral dissertation on this topic?

              Not very deep, but you yourself would not have guessed, this is true. Doctoral did not defend
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Rich vocabulary. Anneal some more, Sasha.

              Thank you Vladik
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 18 September 2020 07: 14
                +2
                Even the hypothetical possibility of these notorious "masters of the planet" to be destroyed stops. Otherwise it would have begun long ago. The doctrine of the West, led by a hegemon, is offensive, the means of waging a victorious war are super-sufficient. The parasitic and predatory essence of the Naglo-Saxons is an axiom. Banal fear, for their personal, not millions of Americans or Gay Europeans, skins. True, the centers of acceptance are centers, and on the button there may be a rear-wheel drive with a shifted psyche or a neurasthenic with menstruation. And here excesses are possible.
                1. Vladimir_6
                  Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 13: 41
                  -2
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Even the hypothetical possibility of these notorious "masters of the planet" to be destroyed stops.

                  Putin's statement about the retaliatory blow, because of which certain neurasthenics were so excited, is said for this. To stop the notorious "masters of the planet"
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 18 September 2020 14: 29
                    +1
                    Your namesake's age is not forever. There are very serious fears that the macaroshka coming to replace everything will pass.
                    1. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 01: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Your namesake's age is not eternal.

                      In the words of Woland: "Yes, man is mortal, but that would be half the trouble. The bad thing is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal."
                      There are no guarantees that this is possible.
                      There are very serious fears that the macaros coming in for the shift will hand over everything.

                      "The Russian state has the advantage over others that it is controlled directly by the Lord God himself, otherwise it is impossible to explain how it exists."
                      Johann Burkhart Christopher von Munnich.
                      Analyzing the course of the Second World War, it is impossible not to believe in these words. All hope is that the next generations will take care of the Fatherland. hi
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 19 September 2020 10: 46
                        0
                        And how to combine service to the Motherland and your own purse. Always a contradiction. By homeland I mean first of all the people and only then the territory. About the management of God, I am an atheist, but I believe in people. First of all, ordinary people, always showing miracles of heroism over our thousand-year history. Only the nature of modern warfare does not level such heroism. Under the blows of high-precision weapons, especially, you will not become heroic. Everything will start traditionally, of course, the "vigorous loaf" will have to be used anyway, when the personnel units are mowed down. Is there enough - does the huckster have a self-pounding, but only this one in the current system I see on the Kremlin stool, activate the nuclear suitcase. out of despair.
                      2. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 17: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And how to combine service to the Motherland and your own purse.

                        You are an atheist, but you are asking the right question, good the answer to which is in the Bible
                        No one can serve two masters: for either he will hate one, and love the other; or one will become zealous, and neglect about the other. You cannot serve God and Mammon.

                        For an atheist it will be like this: "You cannot serve the Fatherland and Mammon."
                        I am an atheist, but I believe in people

                        Individuals can betray, but God never. Proven over the years.
                        the nature of modern warfare, such heroism is insignificant. Under the blows of high-precision weapons, especially, you will not become heroic.

                        There is always room for exploit in life

                        On March 17, 2016, Alexander Prokhorenko, surrounded by terrorists from all sides, caused fire on himself.
                      3. Essex62
                        Essex62 20 September 2020 01: 41
                        0
                        Those terrorists have short handles, compared to the standard ones. They will not surround, substituting their tolerant asses, they will not even cause fire on themselves.
                        And why put an unmeasured amount on our heads. In LANs, we can be heroic and win, if only the last salvo is thrown with the whole code. Russia is lonely, even the outskirts, vicious enemies. We alone are not united. And it is not very correct to quote from a specifically Jewish book, which for some reason was adopted by the gay European (by the way, already very active gay) obscurantists from the church, the institution of suppressing resistance to the feudal lords, the backbones, and imposed on the Russian people. Well I wrote, I'm an atheist. And you believe, it is your right. Faith helps, this is the essence, only who believes in what.
                      4. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 20 September 2020 08: 44
                        0
                        By Homeland I mean, first of all, people

                        Alexander Prokhorenko is an example of the fact that everything is in order with the people (Motherland, in your words).
                        In LANs, we can be heroic and win, if only the last salvo is thrown with the whole code.

                        All Caudle is the USA, Britain and her henchmen. Trump is just trying to wrest the US out of this Caudle. And without the United States, this Caudle will be blown away.
                        And to quote from a specific Jewish book

                        Get food for your mind from everything - folk wisdom. Moreover, I have highlighted for you "For an atheist it will be like this:" You cannot serve the Fatherland and Mammon. "
                        Everything will be fine, Alexander. Russia is on the rise now. hi
                      5. Essex62
                        Essex62 20 September 2020 09: 44
                        0
                        We are in trouble with the people, in terms of real and not false patriotism.
                        Trump's Six of the Real tackled the Naglosaki world, like everyone else before him. With the exception of F.D. Roosevelt.
                        Judging by the fact that they do not want to give up my pension pennies, with a fourfold excess of the gold and currency stash, Russia is still on the rise.
                      6. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 20 September 2020 12: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Trump Six Real Tackled Naglosaki World

                        Maybe six, but a trump card. Such a six and an ace beats.
                        As for the trouble with the people, everyone is entitled to their point of view.
                        As they say, we will stay with our own people.
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 18 September 2020 13: 31
      0
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Maybe I can teach your wife in my center?

      At your center, teach Penkin.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 18 September 2020 23: 12
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_6
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Maybe I can teach your wife in my center?

        At your center, teach Penkin.

        Your last name ? no, it's useless to teach, only haloperidol, only chlorpromazine
        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 19 September 2020 00: 10
          0
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Your last name ? no, teaching is useless

          You gave an obscene allusion to my wife. What did you expect in return?
          If you are annoyed by Putin's statement, mentioned above, you should not shamelessly get into someone else's dialogue. You are not my teacher.
          Calm down with your decision-making center

          And if you fit in, you don't have to be rude. When demanding politeness, be polite yourself.
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 17 September 2020 22: 23
    +5
    I agree that the deployment of the S-400 only in Kaliningrad and, in general, the accumulation of a large number of strategic weapons (including Iskanders) in a small area with a huge enemy air superiority and the presence of a large number of stealthy cruise missiles JASSM-ER makes these weapons more vulnerable. Dispersion is necessary and the territory of Belarus is suitable for this.

    As for the security issue, the best option would certainly be a single base of the Union State and the deployment in Belarus of the entire line of advanced strategic strike weapons, including TNW.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 11: 49
      +1
      but in any case, it was necessary to decide with the KOR - if you did not install the equipment, then it would be captured in a few days and with small forces, and if you put it, you will have to mess around longer and attract more forces, which will allow you to start an offensive from the "mainland". nothing serious without guarantees, no one will be in principle .. and yes .. the scanners are needed in the BOR .. the range is higher
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    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 17 September 2020 18: 18
      -13 qualifying.
      That is, of course ... but the main one is he
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 17 September 2020 19: 08
        11
        That is, of course ... but the main one is he

        And if you throw off his problems - won't it?
        1. Revival
          Revival 17 September 2020 21: 32
          +1
          Well, here they will object to you that if, for example, there are 10 problems, then this does not mean that you need to solve one of them if this does not lead to the solution of all 10 at once!
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 18 September 2020 09: 28
            0
            Well, here they will object to you that if, for example, there are 10 problems, then this does not mean that you need to solve one of them if this does not lead to the solution of all 10 at once!


            What are your ten problems related to Lukashenka?
            1. Revival
              Revival 18 September 2020 14: 02
              0
              Reread it again!
              Where did I connect any problems with Lukashenka?
            2. Revival
              Revival 18 September 2020 14: 03
              0
              I pointed out to you a bad logical argument
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 18: 48
      11
      Quote: Mishanya74
      In addition to this mustachioed obos.r., Belarus has no problems

      This disgusting person of course turned out to be this Lukashenka ..

      So far, it is clear that Belarus, obsessed with Lukashenko, is selling to Putin.

      You have such a personal dislike for Lukashenka that you probably cannot eat.
      Target him so that he would leave the presidency for health reasons. You still have no other opportunities. Or accept what happened at this stage.
      1. vasek5533
        vasek5533 17 September 2020 19: 08
        -15 qualifying.
        Yes, he did not have long and without damage left, and attempts to come up with an external enemy will not help until he understands the torture, and he cannot even admit them. Dead end.
        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 17 September 2020 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: vasek5533
          Yes, not long and without damage left to him,

          I will not argue otherwise. In life, anything happens. As the saying goes: "Everything is God's will."
          Wait and see.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 17 September 2020 21: 33
          +6
          Quote: vasek5533
          until he understands the torture, and he can't even admit it. Dead end.

          Question. Tell us in which countries torture is not used? In your favorite States? Maybe the Germans or the French don't use it? Ukraine, a beacon of goodness and justice, without torture chambers? Naturally, I want people not to be tortured, not tortured ... But the world is still too cruel.
          1. vasek5533
            vasek5533 17 September 2020 22: 18
            -8
            Well, for example, in Russia torture is not applied to detainees or will you argue? About France is it about yellow vests and that they were dispersed? So no one argues, but after the arrest, already in prison, were they also bullied? There ambulances were also queuing up in front of the gate to take the half-dead to hospitals?
            It has already been said more than once that what happened so far does not fit into the head that no one among you believes in it, such as a fairy tale and an exaggeration of paid trolls.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 17 September 2020 23: 04
              +7
              Quote: vasek5533
              Well, for example, in Russia torture is not applied to detainees or will you argue? About France is it about yellow vests and that they were dispersed? So no one argues, but after the arrest, already in prison, were they also bullied?

              Believe me, they beat everywhere. I was caught for breaking the law and if you still resent a lot, then the kidneys are beaten off easily. And under the USSR, the police gave under the ribs now. And in the States they can also kill. No one will feed from a teaspoon!
              1. vasek5533
                vasek5533 18 September 2020 10: 41
                -2
                I don't understand one thing, why are you making excuses? Well, it will not work to fit what was under yours, this is "hit everywhere." What happened will cost Lukashenka power, perhaps even more than electoral fraud. All this hysteria with external enemies is connected only with this, to chat.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 18 September 2020 12: 11
                  0
                  Quote: vasek5533
                  I don't understand one thing, why are you making excuses?

                  What excuses am I making up. The usual, strict truth. Or maybe you would like the Protestants to be awarded the prize in dollars? A good kick in the ass and a truncheon on the spine, and rightfully so.
                  1. vasek5533
                    vasek5533 18 September 2020 15: 55
                    0
                    Well, ok, a kick along the ridge - rightly so, no one argues, but after the arrest, already in prison, they were massively beating up helpless people. You don't see the difference, but it is colossal. I even feel sorry for Lukashenka in some way, fuss ... or not just elections, but a place in the history of the country.
            2. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 11: 51
              +1
              those. do you think it was necessary to allow a new Maidan? funny
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 17 September 2020 21: 38
          -5
          Quote: vasek5533
          Yes, he did not have long and without damage left, and attempts to come up with an external enemy will not help until he understands the torture, and he cannot even admit them. Dead end.

          Yes to him, and I think he understood this, so after himself he will stick a person who will definitely not sympathize with the opposition
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 17 September 2020 18: 19
    +1
    this seems to be the way to go
    Everyone except Lukashenka.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 17 September 2020 18: 47
    +2
    Quote: palata
    Daddy is playing again .. The deployment of a Russian military base in Belarus will solve ALL problems! And it's better if it unites, it seems that everything goes to this

    Why bustle? It's just that now you can't say it IMMEDIATELY. Otherwise, they will immediately scream that "he sold the country to Russia." I am an optimist and I believe that there will be a base.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 17 September 2020 19: 09
      +2
      It's just that now you can't say it IMMEDIATELY

      And 20 years before that, it was also impossible to say that? And when will it be? Will there be?
    2. Revival
      Revival 17 September 2020 21: 34
      0
      And if you do not immediately say that you have not "sold"?
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 17 September 2020 18: 51
    -8
    Quote: palata
    Daddy is playing again .. The deployment of a Russian military base in Belarus will solve ALL problems! And it's better if it unites, it seems that everything goes to this

    What problems do you have in Russia?
    1. Clear
      Clear 17 September 2020 19: 19
      13
      Quote: Skalendarka
      Quote: palata
      Daddy is playing again .. The deployment of a Russian military base in Belarus will solve ALL problems! And it's better if it unites, it seems that everything goes to this

      What problems do you have in Russia?

      The winters have become warm, but the neighbors are all jumping and do not give rest No.
    2. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 17 September 2020 21: 16
      -10 qualifying.
      I really want to get up from my knees again and join someone ..
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: Skalendarka
      What problems do you have in Russia?


      And what is the problem to accept the IAE somewhere near Minsk? By the way, there really was a problem.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 17 September 2020 21: 31
        +3
        And what is the problem to accept the IAE somewhere near Minsk?
        Bobruisk was ready and is now ready to receive the air regiment.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 21: 50
          0
          Last time they did not agree, although it would seem ...........
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 17 September 2020 22: 43
            +3
            And since that time, nothing has changed, the military are ready, and the civilians consider their losses for the rented housing to the families of Russian pilots. The question is in the politicians. And everything is bad with politicians. It would seem that Armenia has the largest Russian military base, but the Armenians have started a revolution in their country and elect the anti-Russian Pashinyan. So it turns out that Russia only protects the Turkish border, and does not particularly influence the internal policy of Armenia. does not really affect. So, more important is the unity of views of the politicians of the two countries, I am talking about our affairs. Got these protestors, the Poles are already directly saying that they directly control the protest movement in Belarus, and ours is itching to do everything. Everyone believes in their bright future. Is it really necessary to destroy and lose your state in order for comprehension to descend on them ?! Personally, I am absolutely indifferent to whether the Ministry of Defense of Belarus or Russia will pay me the pension; in the worst case, I will leave to catch omul on Lake Baikal while I am alive. But I would very much like to see the faces of the local demonstrators when they are left with nothing! And no autonomy, just ordinary areas!
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 23: 17
              +1
              Quote: AlexGa
              But I would very much like to see the faces of the local demonstrators when they stay at the broken trough!

              In this I just have no doubt, from the word in general.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: palata
    Daddy is playing again

    Who would have thought!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 September 2020 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      Who would have thought!

      Spawn this did not happen, and again the same thing! ©
  • iouris
    iouris 17 September 2020 23: 14
    -3
    Quote: palata
    better if you unite

    Yeah. And if we start to fall apart, where will the peasant go?
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak 17 September 2020 18: 09
    -15 qualifying.
    Peskov denied this statement. AGL lied again.
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 17 September 2020 18: 18
      13
      Quote: vvvjak
      Peskov denied this statement. AGL lied again.

      “No,” Peskov answered the relevant question. “In general, there is a lot of interaction between the military-industrial complex of the two countries, which fits into our bilateral relations as a whole. But in the wording as you said, no "

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/09/2020/5f6227039a79478082f8b833

      All that Peskov did was refute the words of another "hack" from the RBC, and not the words of Lukashenko. Try to delve into the information before commenting on it.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 17 September 2020 18: 58
        +1
        “Pompeo is a great friend of the Belarusian people,” Lukashenka said. By disagreeing with this statement, do you refute my words or the words of Lukashenka?
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 17 September 2020 18: 17
    +2
    We'll see. This is one of the features of the union. I suppose we will not immediately, but we will find out.
    1. Mishanya 74
      Mishanya 74 17 September 2020 18: 30
      -15 qualifying.
      Well, what kind of association is that ..
      Hasn't Ukrainian history taught anything?
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 18 September 2020 08: 58
        -2
        what did you teach?
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 17 September 2020 18: 53
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      We'll see.
      In this part, you are right, basically, everyone who writes for the media, in this way, earn their "piece of bread". Will we find out? Yes, almost immediately, as soon as progress begins, now the placement of even individual complexes and aircraft can be tracked quite simply.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 17 September 2020 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Yes, almost immediately, as soon as progress begins, now the placement of even individual complexes and aircraft can be tracked quite simply.

        Are you sure? Why do you think that Shoigu and Khrenov and their subordinates are fools? IMMEDIATELY we learn only what we and the "partners" NEED to learn!
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 17 September 2020 20: 40
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Are you sure? Why do you think that Shoigu and Khrenov and their subordinates are fools?
          What an emotional message, and even with my invented opinion! Documents "to us" and "partners" will not be shown what is possible, they will tell. As for the creation of bases, the redeployment of equipment and its arrangement, it is impossible to hide, it does not crawl on its bellies!
  • fn34440
    fn34440 17 September 2020 18: 25
    14
    In 1995 A. Lukashenko sold the S-300 air defense system (the only installation in the Republic of Belarus used for training purposes at that time) to the United States. Only part of the installation was sold, since the early warning radar for low-flying targets and the algorithms for working with the complex were removed. Belarusian specialists tried to get the missing blocks in Russia, but were refused. Kazakhstan helped out, where they found the missing blocks.
    As a result, the installation was loaded at a military airfield near Minsk into a US Air Force transport aircraft and sent overseas. The amount of the deal turned out to be ridiculous.

    The protests of the Russian leadership, pointing to the secret characteristics of the complex at the time, were ignored by the official Minsk.

    Purpose of the sale: A. Lukashenko in the first months of his presidency was looking for a "foothold". The United States, which at that time had a huge influence on the foreign and domestic policy of Russia, was among the first who, in the opinion of the Belarusian leadership, could push through Moscow's economic support for Minsk. The political cover was to be organized by Washington - a kind of "orange" version of the mid-90s.
    A source:
    ... Extract from the Report of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS)
    Defense Capabilities and Armed Forces (1996)
    "In 1994, Belarus sold elements of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to the United States, which was greeted negatively by many in Russia, as it damages Russia's national security and its position on the world arms market."
    Question. Is it possible, is it possible, to believe the opportunist Lukashenko, this time, in the light of the ancient proverb, "once lied, but who will believe you?"
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 17 September 2020 19: 06
      -8
      The art of the possible. He looks for ways and finds it for a long time. Do you want him to lie down under the clan of fighters and liquidate the social services for the Syabram, like we do?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 September 2020 18: 31
    +3
    How dad began to grow wiser. By leaps and bounds. winked
    1. Clear
      Clear 17 September 2020 19: 25
      +4
      Quote: Captive
      How dad began to grow wiser. By leaps and bounds. winked

      Has the window to Europe pressed down on the neck? belay
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 17 September 2020 19: 36
        +3
        what I'm afraid this is a temporary return of reason. He will move away from the fright, he will start throwing out tricks again. If you haven't already. hi
        1. Clear
          Clear 17 September 2020 19: 50
          +4
          Quote: Captive
          what I'm afraid this is a temporary return of reason. He will move away from the fright, he will start throwing out tricks again. If you haven't already. hi

          Judging by the non-response to the decision of the Lithuanian Seimas about his, Lukashenko's non-recognition, I believe this is the first trick yes
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2020 18: 32
    0
    Sense of guessing? There is nothing to discuss yet.
  • Mishanya 74
    Mishanya 74 17 September 2020 18: 35
    -11 qualifying.
    Experts are also considering the possible formation of a joint shock tank fist on the western borders of the Republic of Belarus -
    ** with T-14 "Armata" tanks **
    new generation - as a counterbalance to the American military presence in Poland and Lithuania. >>>>>



    Some kind of New Vasyuki))
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 September 2020 18: 36
    +4
    Well, Luca is cunning, he cheated himself when he was offered, he showed off, and now give me a weapon. It makes no sense to keep the most advanced weapon on the border with Geyrope, the lessons of the Second World War must be remembered, but somewhere near Smolensk, Iskander and Caliber must be determined.
  • Andobor
    Andobor 17 September 2020 18: 37
    +1
    "Daggers" do not care where they are based - they are hypersonic.
    But "Iskander" could be there - troll Poles and Balts.
    1. Clear
      Clear 17 September 2020 19: 30
      +4
      Quote: Andobor
      Poles and Balts troll.

      Yes, yes, roll them up to their ears lol
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 17 September 2020 19: 42
      +4
      It doesn't matter where you are based. Hypersonic - this does not mean that their range is infinite.
  • Polymer
    Polymer 17 September 2020 19: 13
    +4
    President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that, while in Sochi, he asked Vladimir Putin to supply the latest Russian weapons to the Republic of Belarus

    Something five years ago, he did not tell Putin: we will help you fight the barmaley in Syria! And now, how hot it is, a direct ally-ally.
    It is, of course, better late than never. But maybe, for a start, recognize Crimea as Russian? At worst, even Abkhazia and South Ossetia ... He already has nothing to lose - the EU now and so all the sanctions that can be introduced against Belarus.
  • AML
    AML 17 September 2020 19: 37
    +4
    Quote: vasek5533
    Yes, he did not have long and without damage left, and attempts to come up with an external enemy will not help until he understands the torture, and he cannot even admit them. Dead end.


    Why invent an external enemy? This enemy is not hiding.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 September 2020 19: 40
    -1
    Belarus does not have the strongest structure of the Air Force, it may also ask for an air defense system.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 17 September 2020 22: 52
      +1
      may also ask for air defense systems

      Yes, it seems the air defense is not bad. So, offhand, a brigade of the 9th divisional composition, air defense regiments - 6-7, RTV at a fairly high level, everything is included in a single air defense with the Russian Federation.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 September 2020 19: 48
    +6
    Will Lukashenka agree to this, or, after taking a pause to look at the reaction of the West, will he play back again with the transition to the usual multi-vector track?


    Lukashenka never left the multi-vector track, but simply took a break in movement along them, it is difficult to move when the West was recognized as not legitimate. Lukashenka himself and his entourage, the Belarusian elite do not give up hope of returning to multi-vector, to return it as it was before the protests.
    The West decided that the multi-vector approach for Belarus is over and now the Belarusian power is either only with the West or is being demolished by all possible methods. Full awareness of the fact that the break with the West forever has not yet come to Lukashenka and the Belarusian elite.
    In such conditions, supplying the latest weapons to Belarus where a radical turning point in favor of Lukashenka has not been outlined is the height of stupidity. Remember Ukraine, where December 2013 did not foreshadow the collapse of Yanukovych. Protests have just begun and a month is nothing for them.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 September 2020 20: 39
    +4
    Fighter aviation among Belarusians is rather weak. And it would not be bad to create a base (barracks, boxes, fuels and lubricants, etc.), to which one could transfer a thread from Russia. It doesn't matter who, blue berets from Pskov or black helmets from Narofominsk, depending on the circumstances. And in general, to clearly strengthen the air defense system, in all respects. Here I completely agree with my colleague SRTs P-15, I myself served at the SRTs, in the Leningrad Separate Air Defense Army. Just the western direction, the Pskovites were covered. hi .
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 21: 19
    0
    then, again, the "Kaliningrad" S-400s completely cover the Belarusian borders from illegal encroachment on the part of NATO military aircraft.


    Do not hide from the word at all, the Earth is spherical. wassat
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 21: 34
    +1
    supply the latest Russian weapons to the Republic of Belarus

    Are we talking about the purchase of weapons from the Russian Federation or about supplies within the framework of the creation of a common military base in the format of the army of the Union State?

    You have forgotten the most obvious option: or else we are talking about the transfer of weapons to the Republic of Belarus free of charge. And RB, supposedly, as an ally, will protect Russia with these donated weapons. This is Lukashenka's constant song.
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 17 September 2020 22: 58
    -1
    Questions from the student: "We are constantly threatened with sanctions and we are suffering financial losses ... But banks can work without the Internet? And the Internet without satellites? How long will it take to restore the global financial system if the satellites are destroyed? Who will benefit from this? Who will benefit? ever calculated it? "... Answer him who can ...
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 18 September 2020 09: 01
      -1
      Not the stupidest question from a student ..))
      Here, sometimes much more masterpiece statements can be found:
      Now, on the sly, it would be possible to deploy Burevestnik missiles in Belarus and complete all tests on them. And then after the hype in Nyonoks nothing more about "Petrel" is heard.
  • sidoroff
    sidoroff 17 September 2020 23: 21
    -2
    not simple, but hypersonic with a dagger. and Kolya will be an Iskander.
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont 17 September 2020 23: 34
    0
    To paraphrase the words of Christ from the Gospel in relation to Luke: -In less than half a year, you betray us three times ...
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 17 September 2020 23: 41
    +1
    this is a fantasy, Iskander-M in Kaliningrad will be enough so that no one farts near Belarus, I'm only talking about the dry borders of Russia ...)))))))))
  • iouris
    iouris 18 September 2020 00: 57
    +1
    "Daggers" can work on targets in Poland from the airfield in Smolensk.
  • Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 07: 48
    -1
    Now, on the sly, it would be possible to deploy Burevestnik missiles in Belarus and complete all tests on them. And then after the hype in Nyonoks nothing more about "Petrel" is heard.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 September 2020 08: 38
    0
    Why are they there? There are ground Iskanders.
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 18 September 2020 08: 59
    -2
    So our mustache seems to have already refuted the statement of their mustache ..
    Like, Putin and Luka didn't have any discussion about weapons ..
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 11: 43
    0
    laughing what did the experts smoke? what kind of Armata? what kind of daggers?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 September 2020 17: 15
    +1
    Dagger-Dagger, and the Su-30 and Su-34 would be convincing.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 20 September 2020 11: 24
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    We are in trouble with the people, in terms of real and not false patriotism.
    Trump's Six of the Real tackled the Naglosaki world, like everyone else before him. With the exception of F.D. Roosevelt.
    Judging by the fact that they do not want to give up my pension pennies, with a fourfold excess of the gold and currency stash, Russia is still on the rise.
  • Protos
    Protos 20 September 2020 13: 48
    0
    Quote: Vol4ara
    You will settle down with your decision-making center, for this you need to have eggs and the absence of a brain, because in return it will fly right there. Any war will start with conventional weapons, and then it may develop into Yao, although they thought the same at 30, and at 40 everyone was pissed off to apply chemistry

    Well, to save My Crimea from the Ukrnazist, the Russian elite did not let go and clearly worked out the blitzkrieg in an amazingly refined combination of SPN, GUR, VKS and MP Black Sea Fleet!
    I myself, as a former military man, was in shock soldier
  • Protos
    Protos 20 September 2020 13: 49
    0
    Quote: Vol4ara
    You will settle down with your decision-making center, for this you need to have eggs and the absence of a brain, because in return it will fly right there. Any war will start with conventional weapons, and then it may develop into Yao, although they thought the same at 30, and at 40 everyone was pissed off to apply chemistry

    Well, to save My Crimea from a Ukrnazist, the Russian elite didn’t let go and worked out the blitzkrieg in an amazingly well-honed combination of SPN, GUR, VKS, Navy and MP Black Sea Fleet!
    I myself, as a former military man, was in shock soldier