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MTR of the USA intend to arm themselves with tiltrotors at the speed of jet aircraft

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MTR of the USA intend to arm themselves with tiltrotors at the speed of jet aircraft

US Special Operations Forces do not intend to replace the currently used CV-22 Osprey tiltrotors with new V-280 Valor tiltrotors. As reported by NPlus1 with reference to Flightglobal, the American MTR intend to adopt new vertical take-off and landing vehicles capable of developing speeds comparable to jet aircraft.


The fact that the US MTR does not yet intend to purchase promising high-speed converters V-280 Valor, said the commander of special operations forces Lieutenant General James Slife. According to him, the US MTR is interested in the development and adoption of aircraft, which, in their characteristics, surpass all existing and developed tiltrotors. At the same time, he stressed that we are talking about the development of a new generation of converters, and not the modernization of existing ones.

Currently, the MTR is armed with CV-22 Osprey tiltrotors, developed in the 80s. In the airplane flight mode, the tiltrotor can reach a speed of 446 km / h and fly at a range of up to 1,6 thousand km. It is designed to carry up to 32 people, as well as cargo weighing 9 tons in the cargo compartment or up to 6,8 tons on an external sling.

The promising V-280 tiltrotor is being developed by Bell Helicopter specifically for the FLRAA tender held by the US Army to replace the UH-60 Black Hawk multipurpose helicopters. It has a full composite fuselage, better flight performance than the V-22 Osprey and a lower cost. The V-280 Valor lacks a removable swivel wing, which significantly reduces the weight of the machine, and there is no swivel motor - only the rotor of the propeller changes position. The combat radius of the flight (depending on the load) is from 930 to 1480 km, the maximum flight range is 3900 km. Crew of 2 people + 12 paratroopers.
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 17 September 2020 16: 02
    +6
    Well, Wishlist about a tiltrotor with a speed comparable to the speed of jet aircraft - these are just Wishlist for the long term. Most likely, the US MTR is simply more important than the capacity and carrying capacity of Osprey than the bells and whistles and speed of Valor
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 17 September 2020 16: 33
      +5
      So they want to replace blackhawks with valars, and the latter are just 12 snouts. And osprey is, rather, a chinook.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 17 September 2020 22: 49
        +1
        They do not want to replace, they just want to get an analogue capable of operating with osprey in a pair, that is, they need a "transport-combat tiltrotor" and / or a "combat tiltrotor" as fire support.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 September 2020 16: 07
    -2
    MTR USA not interested in new V-280 Valor tiltrotors
    Well, all the raspberries have been done ... Bell Helicopter has already looked after a cat by the sea to catch a goldfish, and here crying
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 17 September 2020 16: 26
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      MTR USA not interested in new V-280 Valor tiltrotors
      Well, all the raspberries have been done ... Bell Helicopter has already looked after a cat by the sea to catch a goldfish, and here crying

      the goldfish are freshwater, so the plan was originally shit
      1. Dude
        Dude 17 September 2020 17: 30
        +7
        the goldfish are freshwater, so the plan was originally shit

        I don't know, I don't know, actually:
        "An old man lived with his old woman
        By the very blue seas... "(© A. Pushkin, The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish.) wink
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          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 17 September 2020 19: 18
            +3
            Quote: Avior
            Goldfish is a crucian

            Quote: Avior
            Probably, in the Tsarskoye Selo Lyceum, instead of zoology, Latin or the law of God was taught.
            Disadvantages of classic parenting, in short

            With Wikipedia, you can spit on the classic education flaunting the kid "shorter" laughing

            The Brothers Grimm did not have the original version, it is not written about it directly in Wikipedia, but what, the brothers linguists indicate. We must be more careful, in short! laughing
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            2. Avior
              Avior 18 September 2020 00: 55
              +1
              It seems that the links were not liked.
              At the top, by the way, there was a link not only to the brothers, but also to Runge. And, which is characteristic, in Wikipedia it is directly written about him.
              But you didn't read well.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 18 September 2020 18: 15
                0
                Well, I have not seen the links. What does Runge have to do with it? Both he and the Brothers Grimm collected folk tales. The original version was told which thread Gretchen or which thread Hans. And who composed it is generally lost in the centuries.
      2. mvg
        mvg 17 September 2020 23: 39
        +1
        freshwater goldfish

        You read fairy tales badly. Real gold ones are found in the seas. Otherwise, it's just a domesticated crucian carp
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 18 September 2020 04: 06
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        freshwater goldfish,

        Reread the story. The old man lived on the shores of the blue sea. request
  3. torkonut
    torkonut 17 September 2020 16: 18
    0
    uh ... 12 vs 32 ... these are undoubtedly the best characteristics))
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 17 September 2020 16: 58
      0
      Or maybe better, depending on what purpose. Perhaps not just to bring the infantry to the battlefield ...
    2. dauria
      dauria 17 September 2020 22: 59
      +1
      uh ... 12 vs 32 ... these are undoubtedly the best characteristics))


      Well, Osprey's mistakes were taken into account. The hot jet from the engines does not disfigure the deck, does not raise stones. The landing parties are covered by a wing from the stream. Quite a decent machine. Smallish, but flies far and fast. And by modern standards, the depth of the front has increased, so that the helicopter airfield (platform) is too vulnerable. And this one will be able to be based away from the front line.
  4. iouris
    iouris 17 September 2020 16: 33
    +2
    And where are they in such a hurry?
    Can you please explain what the "speed of the jet aircraft" is.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 September 2020 16: 58
      +4
      The threshold for propeller driven aircraft is about 800 km / h.
      Further - reactive. He most likely had this speed in mind.
      In practice, this is feasible in the form of a tiltrotor if
      takeoff and landing in a helicopter - helicopter propeller. Further screws
      fold and hide in the fuselage, and horizontal flight -
      with a jet engine.
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 September 2020 17: 46
        +7
        Not only
        The supersonic jet tiltrotor rose into the air, but was not brought to the end.
      2. iouris
        iouris 17 September 2020 23: 16
        0
        Thank. Can you answer the first question?
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 18 September 2020 09: 13
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The threshold for propeller driven aircraft is about 800 km / h.
        Further - reactive. He most likely had this speed in mind.
        In practice, this is feasible in the form of a tiltrotor if
        takeoff and landing in a helicopter - helicopter propeller. Further screws
        fold and hide in the fuselage, and horizontal flight -
        with a jet engine.

        something like that ... a birdie from Day Six with Schwartz.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 18 September 2020 16: 13
          0
          Quote: PSih2097

          something like that ... a birdie from Day Six with Schwartz.

          Pathetic epigones. laughing
          S-72 X-Wing
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 18 September 2020 16: 17
            0
            Quote: Avis
            S-72 X-Wing

            but in the film, she did not fly badly, just the speed is higher than the stated and maneuverability ... and the propeller performs the function of the wings.
            and here ...
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 18 September 2020 16: 28
              0
              Quote: PSih2097
              Quote: Avis
              S-72 X-Wing

              but in the film, she did not fly badly, just the speed is higher than the stated and maneuverability ... and the propeller performs the function of the wings.
              and here ...

              And "here" the stopped propeller had to work like a wing. But for the 1970s, the transition from helicopter mode to airplane mode was too tricky even for Sikorsky. And it's silly to compare a non-science fiction film from the 1990s with the reality of the 1970s. Reality is cooler.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 18 September 2020 16: 34
                0
                Quote: Avis
                Reality is cooler.

                And there is none, even though what was adopted from the developments of the same Bartini or Sikorsky of those times? no ... the developments were left until better times, both in the USSR / RF, in the USA and other unmentioned countries
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 18 September 2020 16: 40
                  0
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  Quote: Avis
                  Reality is cooler.

                  And there is none, even though what was adopted from the developments of the same Bartini or Sikorsky of those times? no ... the developments were left until better times, both in the USSR / RF, in the USA and other unmentioned countries

                  Wow ... The X-Wing program is the most reality, albeit experimental. Yes, they were ahead of their time, but they tried to take too wide a step. It didn't work, so what? The sun doesn't shine every day. The features of the S-72 are visible in the S-97.
  5. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 17 September 2020 16: 34
    +1
    So we are waiting for turbofan convertiplanes. Then it will be good.
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 17 September 2020 23: 00
      -1
      So it is! Both turbo and fan! laughing

      And with a load normally, 6.8 tons. True, the special forces on the external suspension will be a little uncomfortable to hold on, it is necessary to modify the interior a little.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 18 September 2020 00: 42
        +1
        They learned to carry people on the external sling of aircraft back in the late 30s and practiced during the Second World War, there were restrictions, but the very fact of such a possibility ...
        U-2 transportation of the wounded
        y-2 transportation of the wounded
        u-2 loading of the wounded
        Aircraft U-2, transportation of the wounded on a wing suspension.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 18 September 2020 16: 02
          +1
          Quote: cat Rusich
          They learned how to carry people on the external sling of aircraft back in the late 30s and

          At the beginning. The Chelyuskinites were also taken out like that. Molokov:
          That day I flew three times and took out - the first time four, and then twice, five people. The first to sit in the parachute box was one lean sailor. They put them head first, folded the man's hands and, like a Whitehead mine, pushed him into a narrow box. He was lying there. It was not particularly spacious for him to lie, but perhaps better than four sitting in the same cabin.
          people went to the parachute boxes willingly. Even a queue then formed.
          The idea of ​​using parachute boxes came to me back in Vladivostok, when we were given 30 parachutes. They turned out to be unnecessary. Well, why should the boxes be empty? I filled them with cans of gasoline, tested the boxes on the way and in Vankarem, I realized that my idea will pass, come true. Of course, there are many inconveniences for the passenger, but who counts in such cases with the lack of comfort? And I put people in cargo bags with peace of mind. These boxes were tied under the wing plane very tightly and could not come off in the air. We had no doubt about that. It's hard to say how people felt there - I didn't sit there. But I think not bad.
          Recently I heard the story of one of my "parachute passengers" - the driver Martisov. He conveyed all the sensations "of his flight. I can quote his words:
          “How did I feel during my rather extraordinary journey? I felt very good. The main requirement that Vasily Sergeevich made to the one who was flying in the case was to be thin. I just meet these requirements. He folded his hands at the seams, two comrades took me, lifted and pushed me head first into the case. The hole was closed, and the car started. There is a special top for air exchange.
          When lifting from the airfield, he shook terribly: he beat with the back of his head up, then with his nose down. I was shocked, then I feel: it became calm - it means that the car is in the air.
          I myself am a mechanic, so I was interested in the operation of the motor. I hear it works great. During the flight, I was only afraid that suddenly there would be a hole in the lid, which is not tightly closed, into which I could fly out. But all my fears were in vain. Arrived quite safely. They pulled me out by the legs - and everything is all right. "
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 18 September 2020 22: 33
            0
            It is worth noting that after, for example, in Korea, the first helicopters of the wounded in exactly the same suspended capsules were taken out. So nothing is impossible. There would be desire and a little madness. Supersonic and in a capsule on an external sling. wink
      2. Avior
        Avior 18 September 2020 00: 51
        +1
        Actually, a turbofan is a Rolls-Royce Pegasus Harrier.
        hi
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 18 September 2020 22: 31
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Actually, a turbofan is a Rolls-Royce Pegasus Harrier.

          But you won't argue that the F-35B has a fan. And what a! hi
          1. Avior
            Avior 19 September 2020 07: 53
            +1
            Of course there is. The pilot can also have a separate one if it's hot. Although, probably, there is a climate control, all the bells and whistles, in short smile
            1. Saxahorse
              Saxahorse 19 September 2020 22: 13
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Of course there is. The pilot can also have a separate one if it's hot

              It's called: "I didn't even notice the elephant" (c) laughing



              The F-35B fan plays a huge role in the aircraft's vertical takeoff and landing capability. wink
              1. Avior
                Avior 19 September 2020 22: 31
                +1
                Bad read. smile
                I wrote that he is.
                The pilot has the second.
                Only both don't make the engine turbofan wink
                1. Saxahorse
                  Saxahorse 19 September 2020 22: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  Only both don't make the engine turbofan

                  I did not write that it is a turbofan. I just reminded that the turbine and FAN are definitely there wassat
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 19 September 2020 22: 55
                    +1
                    And I didn’t write that you wrote it hi
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2020 17: 27
    0
    Best the enemy of the good.
    However, over time, this best will only become good! Then they will again look for the best.
    An endless process!
  7. Runoway
    Runoway 17 September 2020 20: 09
    +1
    There is money, expensive toys can be played. In addition to Hollywood films, I did not notice any special use, although when the USSR also treated combat helicopters before the Vietnam War
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  9. Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 07: 53
    -2
    They made a cuttlefish - neither a plane, nor a helicopter, and now they don't know what to do with it, but they sawed the dough - not measured!
  10. awesom3-lutsevich
    awesom3-lutsevich 18 September 2020 15: 06
    +1
    I guess it's a good car, it's a pity we don't have such a thing