MTR of the USA intend to arm themselves with tiltrotors at the speed of jet aircraft

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MTR of the USA intend to arm themselves with tiltrotors at the speed of jet aircraft

US Special Operations Forces do not intend to replace the currently used CV-22 Osprey tiltrotors with new V-280 Valor tiltrotors. As reported by NPlus1 with reference to Flightglobal, the American MTR intend to adopt new vertical take-off and landing vehicles capable of developing speeds comparable to jet aircraft.

The fact that the US MTR does not yet intend to purchase promising high-speed converters V-280 Valor, said the commander of special operations forces Lieutenant General James Slife. According to him, the US MTR is interested in the development and adoption of aircraft, which, in their characteristics, surpass all existing and developed tiltrotors. At the same time, he stressed that we are talking about the development of a new generation of converters, and not the modernization of existing ones.



Currently, the MTR is armed with CV-22 Osprey tiltrotors, developed in the 80s. In the airplane flight mode, the tiltrotor can reach a speed of 446 km / h and fly at a range of up to 1,6 thousand km. It is designed to carry up to 32 people, as well as cargo weighing 9 tons in the cargo compartment or up to 6,8 tons on an external sling.

The promising V-280 tiltrotor is being developed by Bell Helicopter specifically for the FLRAA tender held by the US Army to replace the UH-60 Black Hawk multipurpose helicopters. It has a full composite fuselage, better flight performance than the V-22 Osprey and a lower cost. The V-280 Valor lacks a removable swivel wing, which significantly reduces the weight of the machine, and there is no swivel motor - only the rotor of the propeller changes position. The combat radius of the flight (depending on the load) is from 930 to 1480 km, the maximum flight range is 3900 km. Crew of 2 people + 12 paratroopers.
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    1. +6
      17 September 2020 16: 02
      Well, Wishlist about a tiltrotor with a speed comparable to the speed of jet aircraft - these are just Wishlist for the long term. Most likely, the US MTR is simply more important than the capacity and carrying capacity of Osprey than the bells and whistles and speed of Valor
      1. +5
        17 September 2020 16: 33
        So they want to replace blackhawks with valars, and the latter are just 12 snouts. And osprey is, rather, a chinook.
        1. +1
          17 September 2020 22: 49
          They do not want to replace, they just want to get an analogue capable of operating with osprey in a pair, that is, they need a "transport-combat tiltrotor" and / or a "combat tiltrotor" as fire support.
    2. -2
      17 September 2020 16: 07
      MTR USA not interested in new V-280 Valor tiltrotors
      Well, all the raspberries have been done ... Bell Helicopter has already looked after a cat by the sea to catch a goldfish, and here crying
      1. +7
        17 September 2020 16: 26
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        MTR USA not interested in new V-280 Valor tiltrotors
        Well, all the raspberries have been done ... Bell Helicopter has already looked after a cat by the sea to catch a goldfish, and here crying

        the goldfish are freshwater, so the plan was originally shit
        1. +7
          17 September 2020 17: 30
          the goldfish are freshwater, so the plan was originally shit

          I don't know, I don't know, actually:
          "An old man lived with his old woman
          By the very blue seas... "(© A. Pushkin, The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish.) wink
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            1. +3
              17 September 2020 19: 18
              Quote: Avior
              Goldfish is a crucian

              Quote: Avior
              Probably, in the Tsarskoye Selo Lyceum, instead of zoology, Latin or the law of God was taught.
              Disadvantages of classic parenting, in short

              With Wikipedia, you can spit on the classic education flaunting the kid "shorter" laughing

              The Brothers Grimm did not have the original version, it is not written about it directly in Wikipedia, but what, the brothers linguists indicate. We must be more careful, in short! laughing
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              2. +1
                18 September 2020 00: 55
                It seems that the links were not liked.
                At the top, by the way, there was a link not only to the brothers, but also to Runge. And, which is characteristic, in Wikipedia it is directly written about him.
                But you didn't read well.
                1. 0
                  18 September 2020 18: 15
                  Well, I have not seen the links. What does Runge have to do with it? Both he and the Brothers Grimm collected folk tales. The original version was told which thread Gretchen or which thread Hans. And who composed it is generally lost in the centuries.
        2. mvg
          +1
          17 September 2020 23: 39
          freshwater goldfish

          You read fairy tales badly. Real gold ones are found in the seas. Otherwise, it's just a domesticated crucian carp
        3. +1
          18 September 2020 04: 06
          Quote: Vol4ara
          freshwater goldfish,

          Reread the story. The old man lived on the shores of the blue sea. request
    3. 0
      17 September 2020 16: 18
      uh ... 12 vs 32 ... these are undoubtedly the best characteristics))
      1. 0
        17 September 2020 16: 58
        Or maybe better, depending on what purpose. Perhaps not just to bring the infantry to the battlefield ...
      2. +1
        17 September 2020 22: 59
        uh ... 12 vs 32 ... these are undoubtedly the best characteristics))


        Well, Osprey's mistakes were taken into account. The hot jet from the engines does not disfigure the deck, does not raise stones. The landing parties are covered by a wing from the stream. Quite a decent machine. Smallish, but flies far and fast. And by modern standards, the depth of the front has increased, so that the helicopter airfield (platform) is too vulnerable. And this one will be able to be based away from the front line.
    4. +2
      17 September 2020 16: 33
      And where are they in such a hurry?
      Can you please explain what the "speed of the jet aircraft" is.
      1. +4
        17 September 2020 16: 58
        The threshold for propeller driven aircraft is about 800 km / h.
        Further - reactive. He most likely had this speed in mind.
        In practice, this is feasible in the form of a tiltrotor if
        takeoff and landing in a helicopter - helicopter propeller. Further screws
        fold and hide in the fuselage, and horizontal flight -
        with a jet engine.
        1. +7
          17 September 2020 17: 46
          Not only
          The supersonic jet tiltrotor rose into the air, but was not brought to the end.
        2. 0
          17 September 2020 23: 16
          Thank. Can you answer the first question?
        3. 0
          18 September 2020 09: 13
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The threshold for propeller driven aircraft is about 800 km / h.
          Further - reactive. He most likely had this speed in mind.
          In practice, this is feasible in the form of a tiltrotor if
          takeoff and landing in a helicopter - helicopter propeller. Further screws
          fold and hide in the fuselage, and horizontal flight -
          with a jet engine.

          something like that ... a birdie from Day Six with Schwartz.
          1. 0
            18 September 2020 16: 13
            Quote: PSih2097

            something like that ... a birdie from Day Six with Schwartz.

            Pathetic epigones. laughing
            S-72 X-Wing
            1. 0
              18 September 2020 16: 17
              Quote: Avis
              S-72 X-Wing

              but in the film, she did not fly badly, just the speed is higher than the stated and maneuverability ... and the propeller performs the function of the wings.
              and here ...
              1. 0
                18 September 2020 16: 28
                Quote: PSih2097
                Quote: Avis
                S-72 X-Wing

                but in the film, she did not fly badly, just the speed is higher than the stated and maneuverability ... and the propeller performs the function of the wings.
                and here ...

                And "here" the stopped propeller had to work like a wing. But for the 1970s, the transition from helicopter mode to airplane mode was too tricky even for Sikorsky. And it's silly to compare a non-science fiction film from the 1990s with the reality of the 1970s. Reality is cooler.
                1. 0
                  18 September 2020 16: 34
                  Quote: Avis
                  Reality is cooler.

                  And there is none, even though what was adopted from the developments of the same Bartini or Sikorsky of those times? no ... the developments were left until better times, both in the USSR / RF, in the USA and other unmentioned countries
                  1. 0
                    18 September 2020 16: 40
                    Quote: PSih2097
                    Quote: Avis
                    Reality is cooler.

                    And there is none, even though what was adopted from the developments of the same Bartini or Sikorsky of those times? no ... the developments were left until better times, both in the USSR / RF, in the USA and other unmentioned countries

                    Wow ... The X-Wing program is the most reality, albeit experimental. Yes, they were ahead of their time, but they tried to take too wide a step. It didn't work, so what? The sun doesn't shine every day. The features of the S-72 are visible in the S-97.
    5. +1
      17 September 2020 16: 34
      So we are waiting for turbofan convertiplanes. Then it will be good.
      1. -1
        17 September 2020 23: 00
        So it is! Both turbo and fan! laughing

        And with a load normally, 6.8 tons. True, the special forces on the external suspension will be a little uncomfortable to hold on, it is necessary to modify the interior a little.
        1. +1
          18 September 2020 00: 42
          They learned to carry people on the external sling of aircraft back in the late 30s and practiced during the Second World War, there were restrictions, but the very fact of such a possibility ...
          U-2 transportation of the wounded
          y-2 transportation of the wounded
          u-2 loading of the wounded
          Aircraft U-2, transportation of the wounded on a wing suspension.
          1. +1
            18 September 2020 16: 02
            Quote: cat Rusich
            They learned how to carry people on the external sling of aircraft back in the late 30s and

            At the beginning. The Chelyuskinites were also taken out like that. Molokov:
            That day I flew three times and took out - the first time four, and then twice, five people. The first to sit in the parachute box was one lean sailor. They put them head first, folded the man's hands and, like a Whitehead mine, pushed him into a narrow box. He was lying there. It was not particularly spacious for him to lie, but perhaps better than four sitting in the same cabin.
            people went to the parachute boxes willingly. Even a queue then formed.
            The idea of ​​using parachute boxes came to me back in Vladivostok, when we were given 30 parachutes. They turned out to be unnecessary. Well, why should the boxes be empty? I filled them with cans of gasoline, tested the boxes on the way and in Vankarem, I realized that my idea will pass, come true. Of course, there are many inconveniences for the passenger, but who counts in such cases with the lack of comfort? And I put people in cargo bags with peace of mind. These boxes were tied under the wing plane very tightly and could not come off in the air. We had no doubt about that. It's hard to say how people felt there - I didn't sit there. But I think not bad.
            Recently I heard the story of one of my "parachute passengers" - the driver Martisov. He conveyed all the sensations "of his flight. I can quote his words:
            “How did I feel during my rather extraordinary journey? I felt very good. The main requirement that Vasily Sergeevich made to the one who was flying in the case was to be thin. I just meet these requirements. He folded his hands at the seams, two comrades took me, lifted and pushed me head first into the case. The hole was closed, and the car started. There is a special top for air exchange.
            When lifting from the airfield, he shook terribly: he beat with the back of his head up, then with his nose down. I was shocked, then I feel: it became calm - it means that the car is in the air.
            I myself am a mechanic, so I was interested in the operation of the motor. I hear it works great. During the flight, I was only afraid that suddenly there would be a hole in the lid, which is not tightly closed, into which I could fly out. But all my fears were in vain. Arrived quite safely. They pulled me out by the legs - and everything is all right. "
            1. 0
              18 September 2020 22: 33
              It is worth noting that after, for example, in Korea, the first helicopters of the wounded in exactly the same suspended capsules were taken out. So nothing is impossible. There would be desire and a little madness. Supersonic and in a capsule on an external sling. wink
        2. +1
          18 September 2020 00: 51
          Actually, a turbofan is a Rolls-Royce Pegasus Harrier.
          hi
          1. 0
            18 September 2020 22: 31
            Quote: Avior
            Actually, a turbofan is a Rolls-Royce Pegasus Harrier.

            But you won't argue that the F-35B has a fan. And what a! hi
            1. +1
              19 September 2020 07: 53
              Of course there is. The pilot can also have a separate one if it's hot. Although, probably, there is a climate control, all the bells and whistles, in short smile
              1. 0
                19 September 2020 22: 13
                Quote: Avior
                Of course there is. The pilot can also have a separate one if it's hot

                It's called: "I didn't even notice the elephant" (c) laughing



                The F-35B fan plays a huge role in the aircraft's vertical takeoff and landing capability. wink
                1. +1
                  19 September 2020 22: 31
                  Bad read. smile
                  I wrote that he is.
                  The pilot has the second.
                  Only both don't make the engine turbofan wink
                  1. 0
                    19 September 2020 22: 47
                    Quote: Avior
                    Only both don't make the engine turbofan

                    I did not write that it is a turbofan. I just reminded that the turbine and FAN are definitely there wassat
                    1. +1
                      19 September 2020 22: 55
                      And I didn’t write that you wrote it hi
    6. 0
      17 September 2020 17: 27
      Best the enemy of the good.
      However, over time, this best will only become good! Then they will again look for the best.
      An endless process!
    7. +1
      17 September 2020 20: 09
      There is money, expensive toys can be played. In addition to Hollywood films, I did not notice any special use, although when the USSR also treated combat helicopters before the Vietnam War
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    9. -2
      18 September 2020 07: 53
      They made a cuttlefish - neither a plane, nor a helicopter, and now they don't know what to do with it, but they sawed the dough - not measured!
    10. +1
      18 September 2020 15: 06
      I guess it's a good car, it's a pity we don't have such a thing

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