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Item about the Navalny case. Russia awaiting an answer

Today, September 17, the European Parliament will consider a resolution that includes a clause on the Navalny case. It would seem, how can a case be considered without at least some evidence? However, it is already clear: MEPs do not need proof. The resolution will be adopted!


In principle, the scheme by which Europe will operate has been known since the London poisoning. Imitation of ebullient activity and dragging out time until the next sanctions for Russia are adopted. And then quietly, without noise, the conversations and angry statements of politicians will stop. The Russians will also stop poking the Europeans into the inconsistencies of the case. But the goal will be achieved.

Our Foreign Ministry is well aware of the situation. At least the questions raised by Vladimir Chizhov, Russia's Permanent Representative to the European Union, point to this. And, according to Vladimir Chizhov, the understanding that Russia will not receive a formal answer testifies precisely to this.

While not experts in toxicology, we feel it is necessary to draw attention to the many inconsistencies in this case. In the context of the debate in the European Parliament on this topic, we call on EU officials and MEPs to look at some of our questions.


A few questions from the recent past


Despite the fact that a lot has been written about the Alexei Navalny case, I think it is worth looking at the past events again. Alas, a person quickly forgets even what happened yesterday. Especially when events are moving fast enough.

Remember how this campaign started? I am about the statement of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

According to information received from the military, traces of the Novichok chemical warfare agent were found in Navalny's samples, and this is a crime against fundamental Western values.

What happens next? And then there is an instant reaction from Washington and Brussels. Americans and NATO members quickly agreed with Merkel's views. Why? Yes, simply because this opinion was not prepared in Berlin, Merkel simply became an ordinary repeater. This was the trigger that launched the entire campaign.

I closely followed the development of events. For this, it was enough to periodically look through some Western media and some opposition resources in our country. It's no secret that the algorithm for the development of events is being tested in the media.

So, the first thing that is hushed up today and that was discarded in the first seconds of the start of the campaign is the merit of Russian, more precisely, Omsk, doctors in stabilizing Navalny and making it possible to transport him. In the West, they simply "forgot" this fact, as well as the 10-hour rest of the pilots before the flight to Germany.

But our native liberal-patriotic media worked rudely. They do not like our plebeian reader. Remember what the oppositionists were talking about? About the quality of medical care and training in Omsk, about Russian medicine in general, about the closed nature of Russian medicine and the concealment of Navalny's diagnosis. Instead of saying thank you to Omsk residents for their quality work, they were actually accused of committing a crime!

What happens next? Then heavy pieces enter the battle. Merkel and Macron declare the need to conduct a serious investigation into the "case of the poisoning of Navalny." And the Russian president says the same in an interview with Giuseppe Conti, the chairman of the Italian Council of Ministers.

And this is where the inconsistencies began. The Omsk people immediately presented the results of their research and Navalny's treatment methods to the German doctors. It was even proposed to provide Alexey's biomaterials to verify the conclusions of the Omsk doctors.

That is, we have a classic medical approach to treating a patient. You continue treatment, which means that you will need to know about all the activities that have already been carried out. So what? The Germans give up everything and keep their research secret. And our free media for some reason forget about their own claims to doctors about voicing a patient's diagnosis.

It becomes clear that Navalny is just a pawn in a completely different game. Navalny is just an excuse to erect further obstacles to the completion of the SP-2 construction. But that's not all. Given the zeal with which Merkel defended the construction of the SP-2 and how quickly she changed her own opinion, the political significance of Germany in international relations became clear. Just one of Washington's vassals, who is sometimes allowed to frolic on the lawn.

Make a monster at any cost


The West has found itself in a rather difficult position from the point of view of formal logic. It is stupid to talk about poisoners from the FSB or other Russian special services. It is impossible to come up with a more or less plausible explanation of the poisoning taking into account Russia's actions. And the task has been set by Washington and it must be fulfilled.

It was here that the nuances of European politics were revealed, which were carefully hidden from the inhabitants. Remember democratic values, the presumption of innocence, the rule of law? About all that nonsense that we have been hearing for many years as the ultimate goal of the "struggle for European Russia"?

In this case, the West has shown its true colors. The very "animal grin of capitalism" that was often mentioned by Soviet ideologists and in which few people believed. Now it became clear that all these “values”, “gains of democracy” and other ideological tinsel are just words. Words that are easily forgotten if the US ruling elite needs it.

We need to make monsters. At any cost, without regard to any conventions, decency and truth. The question immediately arises: why? Such actions undermine even the best international relations. And the restoration of such relations in the future requires a rather serious work of politicians and diplomats.

It seems to me that the West is not thinking about this issue today. More precisely, this issue is not on the agenda at all. Redistribution of the world political map dictates completely different formats of relations between countries. The world is becoming at least bipolar again. Moreover, this division will be quite tough.

This raises another (for some unexpected) question. Do I need to finish building the SP-2? Exactly. The issue with this gas pipeline is resolved only with the consent of both parties. Russia needs to sell gas, Europe needs to buy cheap gas. So why are we so fixated on our own "Wishlist"? Why do we have this obsessive belief in the divinity of natural gas for our economy?

There is an excellent example of sanctions against our country, which made our industry and agriculture develop at an accelerated pace. We relish the successes of our agricultural enterprises and at the same time are afraid of losing part of our gas money.

But the Germans, whose economy will become non-competitive in the absence of cheap Russian gas, are not afraid. And they blackmail us. It's time for a tough policy. Time to show your teeth. Time to understand the term "soft power politics". This is not putting a slide of cotton wool on those who smiled at us. This is pouring a pile of cement.

Some people remember from childhood their own feelings when in contact with such a slide. As long as you walk this slide gently and unhurriedly, it is truly enjoyable and safe. But as soon as you hit the hill, you immediately get a "concrete wall" and the possibility of breaking your own arm.

Questions that will make Europeans think


I'll just quote from the post TASS the document that was sent to the European Parliament by our mission to the European Union. It seems to me that the questions are posed extremely succinctly and diplomatically correctly:

"Is there any rational sense for the Russian authorities in the poisoning of Alexei Navalny with a military nerve agent falling under the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical weapons, in a Russian city with a population of half a million people, in order to then make every effort to rescue him and send him for treatment to Germany, so that this "Novichok" can be identified there? What is the point of the Russian authorities hounding Navalny, given that his level of popularity is barely 2%, according to a July poll by the Levada Center, an independent non-governmental sociological organization (which has the status of a foreign agent in Russia. - TASS note)? " This is how the first two questions of the Russian side are formulated.
"Why are the German authorities showing such resistance in response to a request to provide the competent authorities of the Russian Federation with the results of toxicological analyzes carried out in a specialized laboratory of the German Armed Forces, or simply publish them, if Berlin is so sure that Mr. Navalny was poisoned?" - asked about the mission, recalling that the official request of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation was sent to the leadership of the Federal Republic of Germany on August 27, and after numerous delays the German authorities responded with a complete refusal, citing "confidentiality of information."
... As the Permanent Mission pointed out in their fourth question, demanding from Russia "a thorough and transparent investigation", Western politicians repeat that "all the evidence is somewhere in Siberia." "Then, is it a coincidence that some of the people who accompanied Navalny during his trip to Siberia quickly left Russia and flew to Germany immediately after the incident?" - noted Russian diplomats.

And so on.

Instead of an epilogue


The questions have been voiced. Most likely, we will not get any answers. Sanctions will be announced. Moreover, yesterday the head of the European Parliament commission already announced these sanctions. "The entire democratic world" will again punish barbaric Russia for violating human rights, developing chemical weapons, etc.

How will we react? Should we release the brakes again? It's hard to predict Russia's reaction. However, the cancellation of the visit of our Foreign Minister to Germany, planned a year ago, speaks volumes. Maybe we have already poured a "pile of cement"? We will look at the development of the situation in the coming days ...
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 September 2020 11: 55
    +5
    According to information received from the military, traces of the Novichok chemical warfare agent were found in Navalny's samples, and this is a crime against fundamental Western values.
    Well, why not investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Saddam Hussein, Muammur Gaddafi, Jamal Kashogi? This is also a "crime against Western values."
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 12: 00
      +8
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Jamal Kashogi?


      Let them start at least with Kashogi.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 07
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Let them start at least with Kashogi.

        Will NOT start, now a new concept "black lives are more important than white".
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 17 September 2020 12: 11
        13
        This music from the West will be eternal as long as we are embedded ideologically and economically in their structure. It is necessary to change the paradigm, to give the world a new idea, different from the Western one and attractive to our fellow citizens and citizens of other countries. Can we ?! And so this is all a fight between some capitalists and others for the national wealth of our country.
        Something tells me that the words of I.V. Stalin about the future of civilization is really prophetic.
    2. nnm
      nnm 17 September 2020 12: 06
      15
      It's time to get used to the fact that the rules of the game are different for us and for other countries - no one is going to prove anything to us, no one is going to listen to our arguments. Therefore, it is time to round off with excuses and for us and go on the offensive - from Khashogi, with the mass suicides of lawyers and auditors of the Clinton Foundation, etc. You just need to take it for granted that we will be pressured in all directions and by any means. I'm still waiting for the courts for tens of billions on the property of Ukraine in Crimea to be held. Something tells me that the result will be known in advance. As well as MH17. Because the collective West has one goal - the destruction of Russia. Therefore, we need to understand this, accept and already move on to countermeasures.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 08
        +1
        Item about the Navalny case. Russia awaiting an answer
        Russia, if I mean the people, shit on the oval, tired already, IN stop.
        1. nnm
          nnm 17 September 2020 12: 12
          +2
          I have said for a long time that the authorities will play out with their support for Navalny to the point that he turns into Gapon. And it turns out even worse. Some kind of recidivist swindler is being used as a symbol in denigrating Russia. Although, probably, it would not have been bulk, there would have been someone else. Or else something like MH17 would be arranged for us.
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 14
            0
            Quote: nnm
            I have long said that the authorities will play out with their support for Navalny to the point that he will turn into Gapon.

            Duc ... opposition like ...
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 17 September 2020 22: 19
            +1
            I have long said that the authorities will play out with their support for Navalny to the point that he turns into Gapon.

            Work is in full swing. They are already planning to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
        2. depressant
          depressant 18 September 2020 22: 18
          +3
          Dedkasty, you won't be able to stop at VO. Because the general militia of the West is already unstoppable against us. The West has entered the stage of using such monstrous in their absurdity "proof" arguments, that the situation of attacks on us has become irreversibly hysterical.

          Bottles! ..
          These bottles from under the water strained me immediately and to the extreme. Navalny, having vacated his room, took the time to get to the airport. Then he spent time waiting for the plane at the airport, where he drank that ill-fated tea, brought up by his assistant. Then he took the time to land. Then he flew for a while. Then he felt bad in the toilet ...
          And that, during all this rather long cumulative time, the hotel staff did not try to enter his former room to clean up and discard those bottles? If they were there at all. Is that how it was?

          Okay, let's say. But as soon as they received a message that Navalny was feeling bad (apparently, right from the plane), people from his headquarters rushed into the room, photographed these bottles and raked them up as evidence of poisoning. It was as if they were at the start, expecting that Navalny would definitely feel bad. They knew he would feel bad! Couldn't it be that initially there weren't any bottles, and the staff workers brought those bottles and placed them in order to photograph?

          Personally, I have no doubts that this is a provocation of Navalny's people by order of the Western special services. The masks have been dropped. Regardless of any decency, the West entered our house and with the help of our own citizens created a situation that threatens the most serious consequences for us, up to the outbreak of a non-nuclear conflict with some mongrel from the former socialist camp. At least with the same Poland, for example. The West stopped encrypting itself. He is openly looking for a pretext for a local war, in order to kill our people, inflict serious material damage on us, and weaken us - on the one hand. On the other hand, the West has its own problems in connection with the economic crisis and its coronavirus feeding, the peoples are dissatisfied and protest. A war with us is not the most successful way to switch the attention of its citizens from real problems to a hot, artificially created one?
          And it's a shame that our intelligence slept through this problem ...

          Intelligence overslept, and now I am somehow alarmed, you know, from the possibility of a military conflict. After all, it will lead not only to a sharp deterioration in the quality of my life, but also to direct danger for her. And the government does not seem to see anything of this - they will deign to repair their office, plans to seal the roof leaks are being built. Apparently, their scanty understanding is enough only for such plans. And the political leadership does not see anything like that. Reducing the situation, which has taken on not only that rabid, but also self-promoting character, to a sluggish and awkward diplomatic war on our part. But how long will it be possible to keep the situation like this?
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 19 September 2020 14: 44
          +2
          Quote: Dead Day
          Item about the Navalny case. Russia awaiting an answer
          Russia, if I mean the people, shit on the oval, tired already, IN stop.

          Indeed, there are no riddles here. Madame M. Pevchikh for old friendship since 2009. spent the night in the same room with the navralny, she also brought a bottle with the "newbie" with the same board to Germany and hid. Daddy M. Pevchikh is the owner of several biological laboratories. Madame herself since 2009. organized meetings of the navralny with foreigners and its financing, regularly visited him in close contact. Where is she? Right, very far from Karaganda. No matter how her head-ons would be ... hidden forever. This whole circus with horses is another attempt to stop SP-2. And that's enough about the nasty stuff, nodoel. Why not create a new column or column about modern heroes of our days, about those who honestly and conscientiously performed their military and civic duty.
          And finally, about poisoning: what is not clear? Chemists have spoken out Biologists and physiologists too. And most importantly, has anyone seen the interview with the newbie creator? He said quite clearly that it was all like hypoglycemic coma! And he's right! Madame Singers poured Lehe a drug that lowers the level of sazhar in the blood !!!! That's the whole newbie. The pilots rescued, the doctors pulled me out of the other world.
  2. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 11: 58
    +8
    The Russians will also stop poking the Europeans into the inconsistencies of the case. But the goal will be achieved.

    So don't forget. And at every opportunity to poke Europians in their own poop. The company should be finally thought out and accepted for execution, carried out both by the media and by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, AIMED ON PRESSURE ON FALSIFIERS AND LIARS.
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 September 2020 22: 31
      +2
      Right! We must start spying on them themselves, the West. And as soon as something is wrong with them, and they have a lot of things wrong there, you need to shout about it from all the international tribunes and as loudly as possible. Declare, resent, demand investigations, conclusions, actively express dissatisfaction, protest, appeal for support of their claims to other countries and do it so loudly and with such intensity that the stunned West finally shut up about ourselves. And especially - defending the rights of our citizens abroad.
  3. iouris
    iouris 17 September 2020 12: 00
    0
    Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 11
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Wait. Wait ...

      There is no need to wait, but there is also no need to become like the "followers of Goebbels".
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2020 12: 00
    +1
    Let's wait ... although, it is worth SENDING in advance, they were there with the wording and other things, they were not particularly fiddly. Everything is clear in advance.
    Micro-Fuhrer glory, here, it will not add, but on there, we put.
    Yes, after all, a criminal case is waiting for him here, quite real, this time .... let's see if he can pay off or not.
  5. avia12005
    avia12005 17 September 2020 12: 01
    +2
    There is a suggestion. Anyone who claims that Navalny was poisoned with Novichok and that he survived after that, give Novichok a try.
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 September 2020 12: 02
    +7
    Poor (I don't know, maybe the accounts are full of money) Navalny.
    How can he get home now.
    After all, he understands that now he has a direct road to sacred sacrifices.
    He is only needed as a ram.
    However, I'm actually talking about.
    Let's start with an example.
    Julia Skripal.
    Russian citizen.
    Poisoned and kidnapped on the northern island.
    And what kind of Angloskak dog will answer for this crime.
    What is happening at the moment with a Russian citizen?
    And why is nothing more heard about the actions of our Foreign Ministry on this crime?
    In principle, abductions, arrests and extradition of our citizens to just anyone (who needs a mattress) of our citizens abroad occurs regularly.
    How long will it last ...
  7. AML
    AML 17 September 2020 12: 03
    +1
    Quote: avia12005
    There is a suggestion. Anyone who claims that Navalny was poisoned with Novichok and that he survived after that, give Novichok a try.

    They have no time for a beginner, they use other substances
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 21
      0
      Quote: AML
      They have no time for a beginner, they use other substances

      You propose to call him "Lyokha Nlovichok"
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 17 September 2020 21: 57
        +1
        The gas should be called "Navalnichok".
  8. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 17 September 2020 12: 07
    -7
    The questions have been voiced. Most likely, we will not get any answers.


    The poisoning of Navalny, whether it happened or not, happened in Russia, the Russian authorities should investigate it. Where is the investigation and where are the results? It doesn't take much intelligence to ask Europe questions.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 12: 19
      +6
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      Where is the investigation and where are the results?

      And where is the fact of poisoning in Russia? He's not around. If the fucking Europeans have any materials, let them pass it on and Russia will initiate a criminal case. Everything is according to the law. But no, everything is secret, but you are to blame. fool Clowns, stupid evil Euroclowns. wassat
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      It doesn't take much intelligence to ask Europe questions.

      They need to ask questions. And demand answers up to the use of force. Inache, humanly, these do not understand. am
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 17 September 2020 12: 22
        -3
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        And where is the fact of poisoning in Russia? He's not around.


        This means that we need a clear statement "Navalny was not persecuted in Russia, the statement of German doctors is libel, sanctions against Russia are an act of aggression." There is no such statement either.

        Quote: Cyril G ...
        And demand answers up to the use of force.


        Wanted to fight?
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 21
          +2
          No guys, you're wrong, Navalny was poisoned in Russia and this statement is confirmed by the ambulance doctors who took him from the plane in Omsk. They said clearly and distinctly - poisoning.
          It was then the officials from the hospital, after a conversation with the FSB officers, they began to talk about metabolic disorders and other nonsense.
          Hence the main question - why are we not investigating this case? After all, if our agents did not persecute Navalny, then why is there no investigation? And if our people hounded, then it becomes clear that there is no investigation.
    2. domokl
      17 September 2020 14: 04
      +5
      The Russians, led by a professional KGB-FSB officer, did not think that the Germans could find Novichok and point out the poisoning. It was just by an oversight that Navalny, who was not allowed to leave, was released for treatment ...
      They did not try to turn on the head, and not repeat the tales about doctors who hid the correct tests and slipped the wrong ones. About the specialists who made doctors lie ...
      Question number one of those that went to the European Parliament
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 17 September 2020 14: 29
        -2
        Quote: domokl
        The Russians, led by a professional KGB-FSB officer, did not think that the Germans could find Novichok


        There is a popular version that the poisoning of Navalny is an initiative of the special services. But the secret services did not decide whether to release him.

        Quote: domokl
        They did not try to turn on the head, and not repeat the tales about doctors who hid the correct tests and slipped the wrong ones.


        It's funny that this question of yours applies exactly the same to those who doubt German doctors.

        Quote: domokl
        About the specialists who made doctors lie ...


        I have not seen a single statement by Russian doctors or other specialized specialists who would say: "We checked Navalny's tests for Novichok and did not find him." And the fact that the analyzes themselves are there is known.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 25
          +2
          There is no need to compare the equipment in an ordinary Omsk emergency hospital with the world's best equipment in a German clinic. It was not possible to find Novice in Omsk because of the equipment, although I think that even if they found Novichok, they would have classified it, it was not for nothing that FSB officers occupied the entire hospital.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 17 September 2020 20: 12
            +2
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            There is no need to compare the equipment in an ordinary Omsk emergency hospital with the world's best equipment in a German clinic


            I do not compare. But Navalny's analyzes can be examined in any laboratory in Russia, and if this is not done, it is interesting why.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 September 2020 20: 18
              -1
              But because the analyzes will just show the presence of a Novice.
          2. 0x0
            0x0 18 September 2020 10: 44
            +2
            In an ordinary Omsk hospital, there is an expert class equipment made in the USA.
            But his colleague living in the UK has a chemist dad. And she was with Navalny on the plane, with the binding to Germany. And then I got lost somewhere. Questions are calling ...
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 September 2020 12: 07
    +6
    There is no need to look for logic, inconsistencies, and so on in an absurd accusation.
    It is necessary to present his accusations - Navalny was fed up to poison the German government and personally Merkel at the direction of Trump and with the assistance of the Russian opposition. Moscow admits that he is an agent of the Kremlin, in the West he was punished and decided to be killed.
    1. Mayan
      Mayan 17 September 2020 14: 44
      -3
      ..? published, -yut nord-ost bokhv; since when did the experts disclose, -yut; sufficient analytical military and medical expert equipment?
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 17 September 2020 12: 10
    +1
    The questions have been voiced.
    It interests us
    Sanctions will be announced.
    This interests them. The result was achieved, but our questions were spat on. The curtain . And without our comparable economic, informational and financial influence (i.e. the three pillars of the West's might) it will be so in the future.
  11. HAM
    HAM 17 September 2020 12: 11
    0
    In the west, they really hoped that Navalny would die, but the Omsk doctors deprived them of hope ... now they have to dodge and lie, come up with a "newbie" promoted by the British .... living it interferes ...
    We will not learn the truth from them, as about the Boeing and the Skripals and Berezovsky ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 34
      -4
      You are right, it is difficult for us to find out the truth, but in the west, almost everyone is sure that they know the truth - that Skripal was poisoned by Petrov and Bashirov (although these are fictitious names and in fact they are in the service of the GRU and their names are on the Internet), to the shooting down Boeing also involved our suspicious personalities (there is data on Ivannikov with the call sign "Orion" on the network), there would be a desire to find information, but I see many of you have no desire, just repeating old mossy slogans.
  12. Woodman
    Woodman 17 September 2020 12: 13
    +2
    But the Germans, whose economy will become non-competitive in the absence of cheap Russian gas, are not afraid. And they blackmail us. It's time for a tough policy. Time to show your teeth. Time to understand the term "soft power politics".
    As I understand it, the author is hinting at the suspension of construction of the SP-2 already on our initiative. In principle, correct. The only thing that worries is whether they will force us to pay a forfeit in such a development of events?
    It's even interesting how many people will become virtual marshals here on the accusations of the authorities if this scenario is realized.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 17 September 2020 12: 42
      +3
      The only thing that worries is whether they will force us to pay a forfeit in such a development of events?
      .... And there all the participants in the "Sabbath" (SP-2) are tied to fines and forfeits. Do you remember that there was some information that Russia would independently complete the SP-2? It would seem, why is this necessary? It's all about penalties and fines, so that you can get less and ask more from others. Now you can't find fault with the construction, you can't find fault with the documents and permits. The only thing left is that Russia would somehow encroach on the West and harass Navalny.
  13. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 17 September 2020 12: 14
    +4
    So far, one thing is clear: this is a provocation and how Russia will react to it, and further events will develop from the results of this reaction. Germany also needs SP-2, no matter what they say about its temporary freeze.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 40
      -4
      Something such provocations have become a lot: the poisoning of Litvinenko, Skripal, Vladimir Kara-Murz, Navalny, the murder of Magnitsky, Politkovskaya, Rokhlin, Nemtsov, Starovoitova, the arrest of Platoshkin.
      And most importantly, all these people terribly irritated the Kremlin. Who benefits from shutting up these people? The answer is to the Kremlin.
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 September 2020 12: 24
    -4
    Our elite has signed under the motto, "Russia is Europe". Now every European trash, in the form of politicians, officials, lawyers and financiers, is bending us down. They don't even need an army to force us to fulfill their demands.am
  15. Rage66
    Rage66 17 September 2020 12: 29
    +4
    A "poisoned bottle" has already surfaced in the case ... But, as Novichok developer Leonid Rink said: "If Alexei Navalny had been poisoned with a substance from the Novichok group through a bottle, then he and everyone who touched it would have died." .. And the bottle could not be from Tomsk at all. And you can't prove it. The curtain
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 17 September 2020 12: 58
      +3
      And the bottle might not have been from Tomsk at all. And you can't prove it. The curtain
      It doesn't matter anymore, the main thing is to get involved in a fight, and then we'll see, as one of the Western Europeans used to say. They need a fight, but not much proof.
      1. Rage66
        Rage66 17 September 2020 14: 57
        +2
        Even psheks ask the question, why then he was released to Germany ...
  16. depressant
    depressant 17 September 2020 13: 12
    +3
    No, dear Author, Navalny is no longer a pawn. Now he is our curse. So he comes back, so what? Should an FSB battalion be assigned to him to protect him from possible assassination attempts on his person by Western intelligence services or some of our inadequacies? A crowd of doctors on duty (he's obviously sick), of which one will be a regular taster of dishes that the oppositionist will deign to eat? And then, after all, suddenly what happens to him. In general, the dust particles will have to be blown away. Otherwise, a second attack, or worse, Navalny's death from natural causes, will become a huge misfortune for our country.
    And in the West it cannot be left. They will easily add some poison and say that it is us.
    Here's what to do? Amid growing tensions between us and the West?
    It's just that my head is spinning! After all, it seems that America is clearly looking for a pretext for military aggression against our country by the hands of its European satellites, and God forbid that my opinion turns out to be wrong.
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 September 2020 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      Navalny is no longer a pawn. Now he is our curse.

      Speak for yourself or name the corporation that authorized you. Navalny is no longer a figure. The problem of the state is not in bulk, but in goal-setting. As a result of erroneous goal-setting, the Russian Federation has been turned into an object that is successfully manipulated by highly qualified players with a huge resource.
      A state that stubbornly follows the carrot pushed back from the gnaw and, at the same time, very accurately hits the rake set in advance with its foot, will quickly kill itself. In order for the state to survive, it is necessary to change the rules of behavior of the state when interacting with the outside world. To do this, you need to abruptly change frames. Those. fundamental profound changes in the system are needed. In principle, there is nothing to wait.
      1. depressant
        depressant 17 September 2020 13: 59
        +4
        Colleague iouris)))
        I am speaking on my own behalf, not on behalf of any corporation. I am just a man in the street from a remote corner, but I am a person who reads news, articles on VO and does not separate himself from the country.
        And I'm a little worried, I see the situation.
        Otherwise, you are right. However, your wish to the government is hardly feasible. The personnel reserve is built up to the existing standards.
        1. iouris
          iouris 17 September 2020 16: 30
          +1
          My comment is not personal to you. Many people write as if the population of the Russian Federation is a single people. In fact, there is no unity, no uniformity, not even a common goal.
          There is no "talent pool" either. What is considered as "cadres" are heirs, "children". There is a sociological law, according to which these heirs must squander the capital (acquired, as we all know, by "backbreaking labor").
          This directly follows from domestic policy, the state of science, the education and training system since 1991. And education is a spontaneous uncontrollable process.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 14: 05
      0
      Quote: depressant
      In general, the dust particles will have to be blown away. Otherwise, a second attack, or worse, Navalny's death from natural causes, will become a huge misfortune for our country.


      Then the best option is to slap him about 10 years old following the results of the consideration of the next case in aggregate and shove it somewhere like the Black Dolphin
    3. Arthur73
      Arthur73 17 September 2020 14: 59
      0
      There will be no need for a battalion of federals, or a company of doctors and tasters
      To jail, alone
      And there they will feed him, and give him water, and heal him
      And for what to put him in? So it seems there is a case and he is not allowed to travel abroad. That's enough to stroke the head. Others were imprisoned, but this would be a desire.
  17. Odysseus
    Odysseus 17 September 2020 13: 42
    +1
    The manipulation must be believable. Alas, the author did not succeed.
    1) The EU's response was given yesterday. So at once the whole article loses its meaning. It is simple - the answers to questions about Navalny should be given in a procedural manner, and not in the form of an exchange of letters by people who immediately write "that they are not toxicologists" and are actually responsible for nothing.
    2) All this near-political chatter about the "bad West". "SP2", etc. instantly breaks down about the fact that Navalny fell into a coma and almost died in Russia, and the Russian authorities categorically do not want to initiate a criminal case (which in the Russian Federation are being instituted for reposting in social networks), while for the amusement of the whole world they are already throwing a dozen idiotic and contradictory versions of what happened - from diet and moonshine to the "insidious Englishwoman" who poisoned Navalny.
    3) The West is playing on this very fact. And in order to resist this and resist the accusation of poisoning by the Novice (completely, in my opinion, absurd), you need not write letters to the Turkish Sultan and disgrace the whole world by arranging clowning, but finally conduct a clear investigation and give clear answers - what is the cause of the disease? if poisoning, what?, if poisoning, who is the executor and who is the customer?
    Without this, there will be no positive result.
    P / S We were also pleased with the author's complaints about the "grin of capitalism." Lord, who do they come from, the country of the Vekselbergs and Berezovskys, Fridmanov and Deripasok. It's as if Chikatilo began to complain about the maniacs when he met a maniac stronger than him.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      , and finally, conduct a clear investigation and give clear answers - what is the cause of the disease?

      It's funny. Do we have a deterioration in the state of health of a greedy politician is there a reason for initiating a criminal case? What for. There is no fact of poisoning. All medical documents are there, as well as analyzes. There are no reasons to open a criminal case. And it is not our version that they put forward, but they openly scoff at it ...

      3) The West is playing on this very fact.

      And who listens to them besides our liberally preoccupied ones?
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 45
        -3
        greedy politician
        Then answer, who of the opposition politicians is more famous than Navalny?
      2. Icarus
        Icarus 19 September 2020 14: 15
        0
        deterioration in the health of a scruffy politician

        In fact, he is a citizen of Russia (at that time) and would certainly have become a corpse if the ambulance had been 15-30 minutes late. This is never a "deterioration in health". Even a seedy politician has the right to life and the duty of the state to provide him with emergency medical care. For any other person, a criminal case in such a situation would most likely have been opened if it was not an exacerbation of a chronic disease. If there is no such data (about a chronic disease), then there is every reason to initiate a case.
        There is no fact of poisoning. All medical documents are there, as well as analyzes.

        The facts of poisoning or the absence of poisoning have not been established. Such facts should be established on the basis of a forensic medical examination, during which the expert gives a signature on criminal liability for giving a knowingly false opinion. And for some kind of "analyzes" no one will answer if there is a "mistake" in them.
        If a case were instituted, no one would have the right to touch any bottles, and even more so to deliver them to Germany.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 19 September 2020 14: 19
          11
          Quote: Icarus
          during which the expert gives a signature on criminal liability for giving a knowingly false conclusion.

          Colleague, I will remind you that in the Russian Federation a 6-7 year old boy, having got drunk, drunk, rushed under the car !!! These are the conclusions drawn by our glorious Russian expertise.
          1. Icarus
            Icarus 19 September 2020 14: 21
            0
            Colleague, I will remind you that in the Russian Federation a 6-7 year old boy, having got drunk, drunk, rushed under the car !!! These are the conclusions drawn by our glorious Russian expertise.

            And he answered for this (would-be expert).
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 17 September 2020 16: 08
      -3
      answers to questions about Navalny must be given in a procedural order

      Documents were requested to conduct an audit in accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code. Were there any answers?
      Navalny fell into a coma and nearly died in Russia, and the Russian authorities categorically do not want to open a criminal case

      Should have? If the cause of the coma is a metabolic disorder and poisons in the body have not been found.
      conduct a coherent investigation

      The basis for the verification? Which one?
      You stop writing your pseudo-scientific nonsense.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 17 September 2020 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Documents were requested to conduct an audit in accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code. Were there any answers?

        Of course, all the materials you have, conduct an investigation. In response, hysteria and a flat refusal.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        If the cause of the coma is a metabolic disorder and poisons in the body have not been found.

        This is not the cause of the coma or the diagnosis, but simply a description of the condition. As if you fell into a coma, and the doctors said the reason is high temperature. The question is what caused this temperature. In Navalny's case, what caused the "metabolic disorder."
        And in response to this "Lake cooperative" for the amusement of the whole world issued a dozen versions, from diabetes to diet. True, now more and more people say that it is still poisoning, but the "comrades-in-arms" or even the Germans hunted it.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        The basis for the verification?

        You see, if you, as a 3-year-old child, hide under Mom's skirt and say, “I’m not visible, it will not mean that you are really not visible.
        In the Russian Federation, the "basis" for a criminal case is a repost in social networks, lighting from a candle in a church, some historical event 80 years ago, that is, anything at all.
        But falling into a coma and practically death (according to the official version) of the opposition politician number 1 is, of course, nonsense. laughing
        Of course, in reality, this means 100% admission of guilt. The problem for the authorities is purely political, they simply cannot conduct this investigation - they will either have to go out on themselves, or turn over the representatives of the mafia clan that did it. The first is impossible, the second is difficult.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        You stop writing your pseudo-scientific nonsense.

        The essence of your answer is that we will not investigate anything, you are all lying. It's fine. But the problem is that it doesn't work and only serves as evidence of an admission of guilt. Either it was necessary not to let Navalny out of the Russian Federation, or to conduct an investigation.
        So now it's too late to shout - these hands have not been stolen, you are all lying, stomp your feet and blame the insidious imperialist West for everything, which offends us such unfortunate, orphaned and poor.
        They will still be caught by the scruff of the neck, driven under the plinth, and then slammed with a slipper.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 18 September 2020 11: 14
          -5
          Of course, all the materials you have, conduct an investigation. In response, hysteria and a flat refusal.

          The materials were requested OFFICIALLY from Germany, there is no answer. Do you have information that the materials were transferred to us? Proofs in the studio, otherwise you're balabol. If there are no answers, then Merkel and Maas are LIE, and this is ashamed.
          In the Russian Federation, the "basis" for a criminal case is a repost in social networks, lighting from a candle in a church, some historical event 80 years ago, that is, anything at all.

          Before writing nonsense, study the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation. Reposts in social networks cannot be the reasons and grounds for the initiation of an UD.
          The essence of your answer is that we will not investigate anything, you are all lying.

          Do you still not see the essence of what you have read, from Ukraine? The essence of my answer is that if politicians of the rank of Merkel and Maas publicly declare that poison has been found, then they must answer for their words and provide evidence, and not hide behind excuses "Contact the OPCW." Let these leaders of the "democratic world" study one of the fundamental documents of democracy - the Presumption of Innocence. You will also study so that you do not post your nonsense.
          They will still be caught by the scruff of the neck, driven under the plinth, and then slammed with a slipper.

          Enough slippers? Napoleon and Hitler also wore such slippers, and then they used them according to the mustals. And I would advise you to look for whites in a psychiatric hospital. Your "wet mriya" will not bring you good.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 18 September 2020 15: 32
            +1
            Quote: Okolotochny
            The materials have been requested OFFICIALLY from Germany, there is no answer. Do you have information that the materials were transferred to us? Proofs in the studio, otherwise you're balabol.

            You asked, what is the answer of the Germans? I answered: the answer of the Germans, you have all the materials, conduct an investigation. This is an elementary fact. This is the answer of the Germans. And if you used a search engine, you would find it yourself.
            You are asking again, did the Germans transfer the materials? Let’s say it again, no, they answered the materials you have yourself, conduct an investigation. I don't know how to explain it even easier to you smile
            Quote: Okolotochny

            Before writing nonsense, study the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation. Reposts in social networks cannot be the reasons and grounds for the initiation of an UD.

            Prigogine troll? Or from Ukraine? laughing In fact, I will not offend you, suppose you live in a parallel world. Alas, in the Russian Federation, for a long time, they filed cases for likes and reposts on social networks. And this is a massive phenomenon. Here is the first article that came across from 2018 with a listing of some of the cases.
            https://www.dp.ru/a/2018/10/03/Ot_lajka_do_suda__Samie_g
            Actually, the last case against Navalny himself about "insulting a veteran" was brought up for his reaction on Twitter to a video.
            Quote: Okolotochny
            You still don't see the essence of what you've read, from Ukraine?

            Do you still remember what you wrote to me? If yes, take the trouble to reread what you have written. There is a question about the reaction of the Germans to our request and active denial of the need for an investigation. There is nothing else. In response, I explain to you that your position (which coincides with the position of the Russian authorities) is excellent, but it will not work.
            It was necessary either not to let Navalny out of the Russian Federation, or to conduct an investigation, and then oppose its results to the German ones, and I also demand that their analyzes be rechecked. Position - You are all lying, and we will not investigate anything as an admission of guilt, which we see in reality.
            Quote: Okolotochny
            Napoleon and Hitler also wore such slippers, and then they used them according to the mustals. And I would advise you to look for whites in a psychiatric hospital.

            What you write is a classic example of what psychologists call "transfer" (if you are not a paid bot, of course) .. The surrounding reality is too terrible and frightening, and you create an imaginary world to calm down in which patriots confront Napoleons and Hitlers, in which there are no criminal cases on any grounds, well, etc.
            At the same time, judging by the frequency of your fantasies about mental hospitals and delirium, you have fears about the unreality of your imaginary world, but you drive them away by endowing other people with your shortcomings.
            Alas, not wanting to offend you or worsen your condition, but I have to upset you. The Russian Federation is RI and not the USSR, and for 30 years it has been ruled not by Alexander 1 or Stalin, but by specific boys who saw and roll back the Soviet legacy and natural resources. With the withdrawal of assets to the West.
            So the opinion of the West is extremely important for them. This is their life and their money. But you are just part of the landscape for them. And the Russian Federation is just a watch on which they receive money. And some kind of patriot Peskov with his daughter who is on probation at the EP and living in Paris can easily utilize millions of such district commanders as you, just to save income and assets.
        2. svoit
          svoit 18 September 2020 12: 51
          -1
          You are mistaken, the authorities are still quite capable of finding some kind of doorman in the hotel who poisoned rats with some kind of poison and without washing his hands took up the bottle, then he had no idea that this was a newcomer, and he himself miraculously survived, and then, only because, that I managed to wash my hands on time
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 18 September 2020 14: 27
            +1
            Quote: svoit
            You are wrong, the authorities are still quite capable of finding some kind of doorman in the hotel,

            No longer. This should have been done before. Now the time for such stories is gone.
            The easiest option is to start a business and do nothing. Actually, as always done in such cases. But in Navalny's case, it won't work. Will be constantly reminded.
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 September 2020 14: 17
    -3
    You just need to lie less, and people, that is, the European Parliament, will then be drawn to Russia. Not right away, but they will.

    Everyone has probably just gotten out of these sellers of sports food, senators who are buying packets of dachas without taxes, Chechens with machine guns in addition to their Arabs, and fans of meldonium who cannot even properly tighten the lids on samples ...
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 17 September 2020 15: 06
      0
      The examples you are talking about are for the most part also invented by the collective West or their Russian hangers-on
      But a test tube with (allegedly chemical weapons) powder in the hands of a US representative to the UN, the subsequent invasion of a sovereign state by a gang of armed thugs and the destruction of that sovereign state is a historical fact! in the history of mankind!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 51
        -4
        They have one test tube, and we have a bunch of corpses of political opponents of the Kremlin and a bunch of test tubes with fake doping tests, by the way, our officials admitted to using doping, but I see you don't know that.
        1. Moskovit
          Moskovit 18 September 2020 13: 14
          +1
          Can you google how many people have died and are dying every day in Iraq because of one test tube? And compare with our "heap"? Or in Syria, where white helmets also "found" OV. It is clear that these are not people. And the "corpses" of Navalny and Skripals outweigh hundreds of thousands of those killed and destroyed to the founding of the country. All this is disgusting and hypocritical.
        2. bycharashkO
          bycharashkO 19 September 2020 09: 34
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          They have one test tube, and we have a bunch of corpses of the Kremlin's political opponents

          and how many corpses appeared in Iraq as a result of one test tube? That's really really weapons of mass destruction ...
  19. Avior
    Avior 17 September 2020 16: 27
    +4
    Students describe this situation simply - first you work for the student's record-book, then the record-book works for you.
    Reputation is a thing that you cannot touch with your hands, but that does not mean that it does not matter.
    And you need to fight for it at every stage, every day. that would not arise later questions, why do not believe.
    There is a statement from the Germans that they found this very newbie.
    There is confirmation that the samples contain it from third-party laboratories, including the OPCW, of which Russia is a member. The Germans just acted thoughtfully. There is own confirmation, there is third-party confirmation.
    All further logic is obvious - it is necessary to conduct analyzes in an independent laboratory, in the same OPCW, and prove that there is no "newcomer" in Navalny's samples from Omsk.
    And all questions disappear automatically - let the Germans themselves look for how and where he got into the samples.
    Until that moment, the refusal of independent analyzes in itself is a blow to Russia's reputation.
    Who does not want such analyzes and why is not clear.
    But this does not bring anything good.
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 17 September 2020 16: 39
      0
      Is there information that Russia refused to carry out such analyzes, or do Europeans refuse to carry out such analyzes, as well as cooperation?
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 September 2020 17: 13
        0
        there is no information that Russia insists on these analyzes and requires them
        and it should be from all channels.
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 55
      -4
      to carry out analyzes and prove that there is no "newcomer" in Navalny's samples from Omsk.
      Don't be so naive. How to prove that samples from Omsk belong to Navalny, and not someone else. The same OZHZ itself took samples from Navalny personally.
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 September 2020 21: 40
        +5
        They took it because it was easier.
        But proving is also not a problem - no one canceled DNA analysis.
        Again, it's easier to add something to the sample, and removing it from it without leaving a trace is much more difficult.
        Therefore, questions on the sample should arise. Only pay extra for DNA testing.
  20. cniza
    cniza 17 September 2020 17: 06
    +2
    We will look at the development of the situation in the coming days ...


    And we have nothing else to do, just to see what happens next ...
    1. palata
      palata 17 September 2020 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      We will look at the development of the situation in the coming days ...


      And we have nothing else to do, just to see what happens next ...

      The main thing is not to make excuses, otherwise a greater howl will rise .. They want a showdown, let it all be officially and open!
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 September 2020 18: 03
        +4
        It's hard to play against a cheat, but our strength is in the truth and we have nothing to justify ourselves for ...
        1. palata
          palata 17 September 2020 18: 08
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          It's hard to play against a cheat, but our strength is in the truth and we have nothing to justify ourselves for ...

          Oh, it's hard Victor .. The top class creeps work there! The tactics have been known for a long time, first to throw mud at Russia, and then supposedly nothing happened .. How many such unsubstantiated accusations hang on Russia.? And at least piss them in the face with facts, all the dew of God ..
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 September 2020 18: 23
            +2
            All accusations hang on them, and we deeply ...
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 17 September 2020 18: 57
          -4
          This expression "Strength in truth" is completely empty and illiterate. And where did you start looking for the truth? Those who have been doing defamation all their lives?
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 September 2020 19: 43
            +3
            And why look for her, the truth is she is the truth, and if she is not there is nothing ...
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 September 2020 20: 24
              -3
              And how many people know how to distinguish truth from falsehood?
              1. cniza
                cniza 17 September 2020 21: 02
                +4
                Do you know how? Life will put everything in its place ...
  21. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 September 2020 17: 11
    +1
    How quickly the West unleashed the situation with Navalny. And the story is not over yet.
  22. palata
    palata 17 September 2020 17: 55
    +2
    I already got this anal from everyone ... Revoke citizenship and let him sit in Germany with Hodor ..
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 September 2020 19: 00
      -4
      Who did he get? Only thieves of officials, and we ordinary citizens he is not an enemy. Moreover, the West promises sanctions not to us ordinary citizens, but to officials. Therefore, I am only glad that the Usmanovs, Abramovichs and Solovyovs will be blocked from traveling to the West. It will be fun - they bought yachts and palaces there, but they will not be able to use it.
  23. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 18: 50
    -1
    Quote: Odyssey
    But falling into a coma and practically death (according to the official version) of the opposition politician number 1 is, of course, nonsense.

    Of course, and in what way he is better than Bomzha Petrovich, I definitely do not understand the attention to this Ghoul ... If Lesha was interesting to someone and even needed so only by our government, because against his background she even looked decent ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 September 2020 20: 28
      -3
      And then why is the government afraid of him and does not allow him to participate in the elections?
      Here is a note specifically for the stupid and illiterate, who speak about 2%: “Navalny took part in the elections once - it was the mayoral elections of Moscow in 2013. Then, according to official data, he gained 27.2%, despite the fact that he started the campaign sitting If it were not for the falsifications, then most likely there would have been a second round.After that, it is not allowed before the elections in violation of all laws, decisions of the ECHR and the Constitution.In the last week's regional elections, the chiefs of headquarters Navalny in Novosibirsk and Tomsk won, gaining over 40% each. "
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 20: 46
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        that he started the campaign while in jail.

        And what is so legally possible? This is already proof that you are wrong.
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        In last week's regional elections, Navalny's chiefs of staff in Novosibirsk and Tomsk won with over 40% each. "

        EE and confirmation will be?
        After that, he is not allowed before the elections in violation of all laws, decisions of the ECHR and the Constitution.

        And that we can be elected with a sentence for fraud? The fact that he was not imprisoned, it again says that you are wrong.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 18 September 2020 13: 28
          0
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          And what is so legally possible?


          Yes.

          Quote: Cyril G ...
          And that we can be elected with a sentence for fraud?


          Yes.
  24. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 September 2020 19: 11
    +1
    We need to make monsters. At any cost, without regard to any conventions, decency and truth. The question immediately arises: why?

    What do you mean why?". And then, when they (the collective West) get the opportunity to destroy the people of Russia, no one felt sorry for those "orcs" (whom they will appoint the people of Russia). They are "orcs" they can be destroyed, and you don't feel sorry for them. This should be understood by all citizens inhabiting the Russian Federation, to understand that they want to be made "evil, disgusting orcs", and no one will pity the people of Russia, whatever the "liberals" lie. You just need to know. request
    This raises another (for some unexpected) question. Do I need to finish building the SP-2? Exactly. The issue with this gas pipeline is resolved only with the consent of both parties. Russia needs to sell gas, Europe needs to buy cheap gas. So why are we so fixated on our own "Wishlist"? Why do we have this obsessive belief in the divinity of natural gas for our economy?

    Can anyone else hear me ?! I keep repeating, stop supplying gas to Europe through pipes "for free", if you want to make money, sell liquefied gas, let the "Yankees" (for example) buy and resell to the same Germans, but at a higher price. Even if you build the infrastructure in the Russian Federation, there will be any jobs for the people. What do you care about the economy of Germany and Europe in general? Well, unless you have a share in the assets of German-European corporations .. repeat
  25. pereselenec
    pereselenec 18 September 2020 09: 24
    -2
    the next sanctions for Russia will be adopted.


    But after all, not so long ago, a bunch of couch patriots here proved to me that sanctions are a blessing for us, and when someone expressed doubt, he was minus by the whole pack.

  26. Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 09: 40
    -1
    There will likely be useful sanctions again.
  27. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 September 2020 09: 44
    0
    There is no need to develop our "industry". There is nothing to develop because. A few survivors despite all the specks on the map are not an industry. All our other "achievements" in this area consist of spilling cans of foreign substances, their dilution and molding of Russian-language labels, as well as the operation of equipment invented and manufactured in the West, assembled here by foreign specialists and maintained by them.
    Industry must be created. From scratch. Why should the best part of young people be taught engineering, making them scientists? However, the training itself will have a purely negative effect, of course. As it is now. We do our best to train personnel for China and the United States, who receive them for free. Without a radical change in social relations ... In general, the topic is huge.
    The conclusion is simple - at the moment we are not able to use our gas ourselves in any way efficiently, and we are not taking any action to solve this problem. The fact that a couple of factories for the production of PET plastic have been installed is not a solution) These factories will stand up in a couple of minutes, as soon as a prohibition program comes to the processors of Western equipment. You cannot disconnect them from the Internet - they will get up immediately. Cheat them? For God's sake. Then the factories will work for a couple of weeks until the consumables run out.
    We have already lost.
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 18 September 2020 13: 20
      0
      Go and surrender to the American Embassy. There are enough problems with our industry, but we have the capabilities and strength to develop it. What to breed tantrums
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 18 September 2020 16: 07
        0
        We have NO capabilities and strength. Complacency in this matter is simply ridiculous. If you do nothing, nothing will happen. And even more so if you do your best to destroy, spoil and maim instead of building. That's the horror ...
  28. imobile2008
    imobile2008 18 September 2020 14: 18
    -1
    I did not find any connections. The phrase why should we bait is blocked - elections are on the way. Considering that smart voting was a resounding success when people voted no matter who, just not United Russia .. It is also an indisputable fact that it was the doctors who saved the life, who introduced the antidote, because there was a clear picture of poisoning from the drugs of the "novice" group
  29. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 September 2020 17: 21
    0
    Why do we have this obsessive belief in the divinity of natural gas for our economy?

    Is this a question for Gazprom or for the Russian authorities?
  30. Mmm.
    Mmm. 18 September 2020 19: 54
    0
    Omsk is a millionaire, not a gender. And about the "poor fellow" Navalny, at least get some medical treatment ... from Anything.
  31. Coconut
    Coconut 18 September 2020 21: 54
    0
    Why all these discussions ... the west will always throw shit at the fan ...
  32. Trotil42
    Trotil42 19 September 2020 07: 16
    -2
    Quote: Eye of the Crying
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    And where is the fact of poisoning in Russia? He's not around.


    This means that we need a clear statement "Navalny was not persecuted in Russia, the statement of German doctors is libel, sanctions against Russia are an act of aggression." There is no such statement either.

    Quote: Cyril G ...
    And demand answers up to the use of force.


    Wanted to fight?

    Who has the technology for the production of a beginner (it is not enough to know its composition)? Who designed and produced the newcomer contrary to the signed Geneva Convention (this is recognized by Russia)? Who possesses the equipment and facilities for its production (or do you really hope that some country can build or use the facilities of a chemical plant or a super expensive laboratory for small provocation? ? Here is the answer .. Who refused to check the poisoning at the request of Navalny's wife? On what grounds and for what does he require answers from Germany (even if the check is not carried out)? The rest is bla..bla ... wet fantasies of putinoids ..
  33. Diviz
    Diviz 19 September 2020 11: 38
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    How can you get so far that Navalny is investigating the Interior Ministry of the Investigative Committee of the FSB and the GRU. Shame!
  34. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 September 2020 22: 59
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    Well, at least leave the bulk in its current place, in Germany. They should not be allowed back to Russia under any formal bureaucratic pretext. Or weak? To talk about the principles of democracy again wassat
  35. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 22 September 2020 14: 53
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    Why not recognize Navalny's "poisoning", well, at least as a terrorist act, and really initiate a criminal case in this regard. And since the German partners do not want to give us the results of research on Navalny in response to our requests, accuse them of concealing evidence of a terrorist act and, as a result, of aiding terrorism.
    On this basis, introduce economic sanctions in the form of freezing funds, seizure of property, etc. (I hope we can find some means and at least some property).
    Again, we will announce the suspension of the construction of Nord Stream 2 (apparently, in any case, they will not be allowed to build it, so we will lose little), but in parallel with the suspension of construction, we will reduce gas supplies to Germany.
    We should not be afraid of such actions - in any case, the United States will squeeze us out of the gas market and sooner or later will squeeze us out, but we can prevent the construction of infrastructure for receiving American LNG by means of cuts in gas supplies.
    In particular, the immediate termination of gas supplies to any country that will build infrastructure, in any. the smallest volume for the reception and distribution of American LNG; immediate cessation of gas supplies to those countries that will provide support to those already under our sanctions.
    The German industry in particular, the industry will die before spring, the British will freeze out safely !!!
    You have to understand that they will beat us and mock our faces while we endure !!!, Meanwhile, it is with such sanctions that the United States defends its economic and political interests. therefore, we must act in the same way.
    ... or do we still hope for the coming friendship and love with the collective West and Germany in particular ???