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Deindustrialization of Ukraine: from spaceships to biogas

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Deindustrialization of Ukraine: from spaceships to biogas

The negative changes in the economy that have taken place in Ukraine over the years of its independence, expressed primarily in the destruction of the local industry, are obvious. The deplorable state of such well-known industrial giants as Yuzhmash, Antonov or the Nikolaev shipyard, not only for the entire USSR, but on a global scale, have long become, so to speak, a commonplace.


But still, what is the situation with other, less famous industrial enterprises of the "non-profit"? Perhaps, everything is not so bad there and instead of closing plants and factories new, more modern ones appear? I will make a reservation right away: the subject of this brief and not pretending to be a comprehensive study will be enterprises that are not related to the military-industrial complex of Ukraine (or rather, what is left of it). Let's talk about things of a purely civil nature.

It should be objectively admitted: the situation with them is not as bad as with the enterprises of the military industrial complex. Much worse ... If the military industry for some time could still count on the support of the state or orders coming from it, then in the peaceful sphere, a predatory privatization took place, which turned many factories that flourished in Soviet times into premises for shopping and entertainment centers or office complexes, and most into heaps of ruins ... The enterprises, which ended up in the hands of local oligarchs, who for some time supported their activities, were relatively lucky. This mainly applied to the metallurgical, chemical and some other industries.

Nevertheless, the new owners, who were striving to squeeze the maximum profit from the objects of the national economy that they got for a pittance, did not want to invest a penny in their modernization and improvement, which ultimately led the vast majority of these enterprises to unprofitability and ruin. This is the fate that befell, for example, the colossal machine-building complex "Azovmash". It included the Azovelektrostal and Poltavkhimmash enterprises, as well as the thermal plant and heavy machine building plant located in Mariupol, which produced railroad cars, refuellers, mine and tunneling equipment, and construction cranes. Currently, all these enterprises are on the verge of closing. There is talk that their equipment can only be cut into metal.

Independence was perhaps the most destructive for the automotive industry in Ukraine. The Zaporozhye Automobile Plant, which produced cars that were truly popular in the USSR, was declared bankrupt and put up for auction last year. But some fifteen years ago, it produced hundreds of thousands of units of products ... The same fate befell the Lutsk and Kremenchug automobile plants, the Cherkassky bus plant, the Lvov bus plant (LAZ), the Kiev electric transport plant, which produced trolleybuses and trams, the Kiev motorcycle plant , as well as many enterprises of a similar profile.

Dreamed of the status of an "agrarian superpower" and was going to feed almost half of the world, "nezalezhnaya" managed to completely ruin the production of agricultural machinery. The Dnipropetrovsk Combine Plant and the Lvivselmash agricultural machinery plant were ruined and ceased to exist. Actually, in the food and processing industry, the situation is about the same. The Kiev factory of soft drinks "Rosinka", the Lokhvitskiy and Orzhitskiy sugar factories, the Troitsk butter factory, and the Balivskiy bakery plant were ordered to live long. And even the Rivne match factory ... This is all, mind you, for a couple of recent years. The list for all the years of independence will not fit into any publication.

As for new enterprises ... Yes, they are opening. However, before showing optimism on this matter, let us familiarize ourselves with the list of enterprises that have earned money in Ukraine over the past five years. The Allseeds plant in the city of Southern Odessa region is engaged in the extraction of vegetable oil and its transshipment at the local port. Plant "Ukrainian sawmills" in the town of Kostopol, Rivne region. Well, everything is clear from the name: despite the status, the "plant" is a large sawmill. The pharmaceutical industry is developing well: the factories belonging to it of the firm "Euro Pharma International", "Biopharma" and another one located in Bila Tserkva, have opened in the Kiev region.

No less successfully mastering the production of biogas in the "nezalezhnoy": the corresponding enterprises started working in the same Kiev region (in the amount of two pieces), in Ivano-Frankivsk and Lvov regions. A number of enterprises were opened, whose type of activity is vaguely called "the production of components for cars" or "cable and wire products." According to reports, very small "screwdriver" production. Well, and an unconditional industrial breakthrough can be considered the fact that in Mena, Chernihiv region, a factory of semi-finished products for the production of French fries, capable of processing up to 100 thousand tons of root crops per year, was launched.

As you can see, from the republic of the USSR, which had one of the most powerful industrial potentials in the country and is able to provide itself and other republics with products of almost all industries, Ukraine has turned into a territory where only enterprises for processing agricultural raw materials or the same forest operate. Its complete de-industrialization is, in fact, completed.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 17 September 2020 18: 02
    36
    I was assigned to Nikolaev after the institute. He jumped off. Now I would jump with a pan somewhere.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 17 September 2020 18: 45
      +5
      You have low self-esteem. smile
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 17 September 2020 19: 15
        22
        Quote: Livonetc
        You have low self-esteem. smile


        Do you think you could lead this mess?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 18 September 2020 09: 54
        +8
        What does self-esteem have to do with it? I have already given an example of my fellow students graduated in 1986. Out of the four who got there, only one remained adequate.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 17 September 2020 18: 56
      20
      Quote: sergo1914
      I was assigned to Nikolaev after the institute. He jumped off. Now I would jump with a pan somewhere.

      I confirm. yes With my childhood friend, from central Russia, who left after the Agricultural Institute (1985) for Ukraine, this is exactly what happened.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 17 September 2020 20: 23
        -12 qualifying.
        and they are happy - don't spit on them.
        envy silently the European choice. we will soon bend under China, and the Kohly will teach the Germans and the French in the European Parliament (together with the Poles) - bend the policy of the UNSC and G7 countries /
        1. Clear
          Clear 17 September 2020 20: 35
          18
          Quote: antivirus
          and they are happy

          so this is scary winked

          Quote: antivirus
          envy silently the European

          So good news about biogas can cause not only envy, but even stupor what

          Quote: antivirus
          we will soon bend under China

          you may bend. What do we have to do with it? request

          Quote: antivirus
          and the Kochly will teach the Germans and the French about life in the European Parliament (together with the Poles)

          yeah, in between washing toilets yes
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 17 September 2020 22: 23
            +5
            Quote: Clear
            So good news about biogas can cause not only envy, but even stupor

            I misunderstood something about biogas, is it that the Sumerians collect it from the village sanctuary?
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 17 September 2020 23: 09
              +7
              "Paradise for beggars and fools ..". No, Vysotsky is still a seer ... He wrote such lyrics for songs. They will be relevant for a long time.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 September 2020 10: 31
                +2
                Quote: 30 vis
                "Paradise for beggars and fools ..". No, Vysotsky is still a seer ...

                belay He did not write about the future:
                To me dream yellow lights
                And I wheeze in a dream:
                - Wait, wait, -
                Morning is wiser!
                But in the morning it's not like that
                Not that fun:

                Or smoke on an empty stomach
                Or drink with a hangover.
                In the taverns - a green damask,
                White napkins.
                Paradise for beggars and buffoons
                I’m like a bird in a cage
                !
                There is stench and twilight in the church
                The clerks smoke incense.
                No! And in the church it's not like that
                Everything is not as it should.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 18 September 2020 12: 06
                  +4
                  Thanks . I know . But even one line, even if pulled out of the text, can describe the well-known state of present-day Ukraine ... The poor in spirit, the clowns at the head of the country .. "Paradise for the poor and clowns," Ukraine is Russian Kosovo. Cradle of Russia became anti-Russia.
            2. Polymer
              Polymer 18 September 2020 18: 58
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I misunderstood something about biogas, is it that the Sumerians collect it from the village sanctuary?

              Nearly. Here is probably just about it: http://gengaz.net/
              Or here: http://woodgas.lagunof.com/
              It is not clear why they claim that this gas is cheaper than natural gas.
    3. cost
      cost 18 September 2020 10: 40
      -1
      I was assigned to Nikolaev after the institute. He jumped off. Now I would jump with a saucepan somewhere ..

      It was the kitchen fairy who saved you yes
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 19 September 2020 08: 24
        +2
        Because of you I was hungry!
        1. cost
          cost 19 September 2020 08: 32
          0
          Good morning Vasily hi Does VO also benefit?
          As the people say, he who eats well, works well. Enjoy your meal drinks
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 18: 09
    14
    I will not even comment on this article. It is enough for me to go to my mother in three areas and see an identical picture. Only not somewhere in another country, but nearby.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 17 September 2020 18: 47
      +2
      My summer cottage near the small Russian town of Pereslavl Zalessky, the cradle of the Russian fleet.
      The population is less than 50 thousand people.
      They do not fatten but do not live in poverty either.
      Many enterprises operate.
      At the weekend I will go there to the fair.
      And for your words the inhabitants of Pereslavl would have given you a juicy slap in the face.
      You need to trend less, work more.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 17 September 2020 19: 01
        -8
        At the weekend I will go there to the fair.

        Where will you go? On Zaporozhets, Moskvich or Volga?
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 17 September 2020 19: 18
          +1
          On Kamaz.
          Multiple winner of the Paris Dakkar Rally.
          I'm kind of kidding.
          And you are trolling.
          In the west, many brands have ceased to exist.
          Many were bought by China, for example.
          Russia is developing.
          The auto industry, aircraft construction and many other industries are also developing.
          Agriculture and food industry have developed incomparably with the previous times.
          You have to work and not get tired.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 17 September 2020 19: 39
            24

            On Kamaz.
            Multiple winner of the Paris Dakkar Rally.
            I'm kind of kidding.
            And you are trolling.
            In the west, many brands have ceased to exist.
            Many were bought by China, for example.
            Russia is developing.
            The auto industry, aircraft construction and many other industries are also developing.
            Agriculture and food industry have developed incomparably with the previous times.
            You have to work and not get tired.

            I apologize for trolling. But the leader is right, we are not far away.

            KAMAZ yes, and ZIL, GAZ?
            Moto - Sunrise, Izh, Ural.
            Tele - Record, Dawn, Voronezh, Yenisei, Volkhov, Sadko, Amber, Quartz, Ray, Start, Temp, Youth, Emerald, Seagull.
            Photo - Zenit, Zorkiy, Smena.
            Tape recorders - Astra, Ilet, Comet, Nota, Olympus, Orbit, Rostov, Saturn, To snow, Yauza.

            Etc. Etc.
            This is only the RSFSR and only consumer goods. And there were also airplanes, ships and not only sea ones.

            Rogozin is going to Venus. It's funny.
            Venus-4 landed on the second planet, it's scary to think - in 1967 year when he was 4 years old.
            How?! Fuck.

            Galoshes ...
            1. Livonetc
              Livonetc 17 September 2020 20: 09
              -12 qualifying.
              Do you know about the work of the GAZ plant?
              He exists and is by no means poor.
              Trolls you are trolls.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 17 September 2020 20: 31
                +3
                you just need to live more and then everything will be visible in dynamics
            2. Motorist
              Motorist 17 September 2020 21: 08
              -9
              Quote: Arzt
              Venus 4 sat it's scary to think about the second planet - in 1967

              Fell down rather. crying It is not known for certain [earthlings].
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 18 September 2020 18: 51
                0
                Well, since knowledgeable people minus, it means all the same sat Venus 4, as I had hoped in 1967! fellow
            3. CommanderDIVA
              CommanderDIVA 17 September 2020 22: 19
              +2
              Ural motorcycles are produced and are good, they are mainly exported
              1. Grits
                Grits 19 September 2020 01: 54
                +4
                Quote: CommanderDIVA
                Ural motorcycles are produced and are good, they are mainly exported

                The funniest thing is mostly in the USA. Pindo-stants like our "Urals".
                But now, as before, these motorcycles do not exist in our villages and towns. Because they cost a little more than a dump truck. The manufacturer thinks about consumers in America, not consumers in Russia.
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 20 September 2020 01: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  A manufacturer thinks about consumers in America, not consumers in Russia.

                  A producer, like any other (if it produces products not under socialism) thinks first of all about making a profit ... so in all capitalist countries ...
            4. smart ass
              smart ass 19 September 2020 08: 35
              +1
              We live in the market, we need to produce demanded and competitive products. I'm afraid everything that you have listed does not stand up to competition, and therefore is doomed
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 17 September 2020 20: 12
            17
            Quote: Livonetc
            Russia is developing.

            Yes, yes, you are right, but the wording is "negative growth". But it's still growth, isn't it?
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 19 September 2020 08: 38
              0
              I'm afraid if I wrote to the owner in the monthly report that the product category has negative growth, in the morning I would be unemployed.
          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 17 September 2020 20: 45
            11
            Quote: Livonetc
            Russia is developing.
            The auto industry, aircraft construction and many other industries are also developing.
            Agriculture and food industry have developed incomparably with the previous times.
            You have to work and not get tired.

            The question is not whether to work or not to work, but that in connection with the liquidation of the production base, jobs are being drastically reduced. The man did not have a current moment, but most likely drew an analogy with our 90s, when we also had a war, and thousands of factories were closed across the country. My parents moved to Oryol in 1996, where at that time there were more than a dozen factories, from agricultural machines to computers, and today hardly three workers will be recruited, and even those are not at full capacity, including the metallurgical one. It is now a city of retirees and retail. Only unlike Ukraine, Russia had a great advantage in terms of having a sufficient amount of energy resources, which made it possible to overcome the crisis of the 90s, pay off debts and start investing in industrial restoration. Ukraine has no such chances, since there are no energy resources, as well as those who are interested in its economic revival, and therefore this "independence" is doomed to further economic, political and international degradation, regardless of whether they want to work or not. This is a deliberate policy of the US and the EU because it is much easier to convert the uneducated, hungry and poor into recruits and throw against Russia than the thinking, well-fed and successful ones.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 17 September 2020 21: 06
              -6
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              My parents moved to Oryol in 1996, where at that time there were more than a dozen factories, from agricultural machines to computers, and today there are hardly three workers, and even those are not at full capacity, including the metallurgical one. It is now a city of retirees and retail

              The notorious UVM plant them. Rudnev in Orel, by the end of the 90s, produced products that met the requirements of the 80s: mechanical cash registers, and so on, which was in demand only by the impoverished countries of the former CIS. Result - closed, because there was no one to invest in the re-equipment of the machine tool park.
              The DORMASH plant could not stand the competition with a similar plant from Bryansk. Closed. Bryansk residents are satisfied.
              The forklift plant suffered the same fate - the products assembled according to the technologies of the 60s turned out to be unclaimed.
              The story is the same with other businesses.
              The reason was simple - the lack of demand for manufactured products due to their low technology and, as a result, inefficiency. The factories were essentially idle.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 17 September 2020 21: 32
                17
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                The reason was simple - lack of demand for manufactured products due to their low technology and, as a result, inefficiency. The factories were essentially idle.
                Controversial statement. Logic suggests that redesigning production and expanding the product line is much cheaper than closing an existing plant to build a new plant from scratch. The lack of demand in the 90s was associated not with low manufacturability, but with the banal lack of working capital. Lending to factories was carried out at unimaginable interest rates, which was also aggravated by hyperinflation, as a result of which they went bankrupt faster than rabbits breed. This process was encouraged by the government, which was focused on how to maximally clean up its own market for goods from over the hill, and a certain A. Chubais said - "Each closed plant is a nail in the coffin of communism", what are these young reformers the hammermen were very successful. So that - the reason was not as simple as you think. hi
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 18 September 2020 01: 54
                  -7
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  the reason was not as simple as you think.

                  You missed a phrase
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  other things that were in demand only by the impoverished countries of the former CIS

                  Since all world wars in their essence are a struggle for sales markets, given the state of the USSR economy, it was impossible to change the situation for the better.
                  And the fact that Chubais, Gaidar and others like them were "at the helm" is the result of the policy pursued by Gorbachev since the CPSU ascended the throne. This is clearly seen in the pronounced decrease in the volume of traffic by railway transport on the example of freight traffic at st. Eagle. If in the best years (in the 80s) 50-55 pairs of trains were processed per day, then by the mid-90s this figure was 35-40 pairs of trains, and by the beginning of the 15s it had dropped to 20-XNUMX pairs of trains per day. The Oryol branch of the road was merged with the Kursk one, the staff was reduced by three or four times.
                  At the same time, the city as such today looks much better than it was in the best Soviet times. The volume of housing construction is such that a 1-room apartment with an area of ​​50 sq m is currently being sold for 1 million 900 thousand - with finishing and a bathroom - move in and live.
                  hi
                  1. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 18 September 2020 03: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Since all world wars are essentially a struggle for sales markets, given the state of the USSR economy

                    Not so categorical. England's slapdash PMA did not need a sales market for Germany, and the United States did not need it either. But BV oil, yes, is useful to everyone. Turkey was dismantled under this case.
                    England, not so much defending its markets from Germany, as bringing down a competitor to the rank of chief not only in Europe, but also in the world.
                    USA, yes, they needed a market for the English colonies. But the colonial market is a consumer goods market, it is not technologically advanced and does not give long-term big money that the equipment market can give. Which arose in Europe after WWI, as a gift, or rather a spoon for dinner. Having ripped off Germany with reparations, France did not expect that a giant, fed by the whole world, would appear at her side.
                    We were brought down in PMV not for the market, but for territories and raw materials.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 18 September 2020 10: 06
                      -1
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      Not so categorical.

                      So.
                      First, sales markets, which happened after the end of the First World War, and then - the colonization of these countries, fusing glass and illiquid goods under the guise of high-tech products. Oil is very good. But first, the country must be turned into an eternal debtor.
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      We were brought down in PMV not for the market, but for territories and raw materials

                      God be with you ...
                      The Entente strapped in Russia to drag chestnuts out of the fire by the hands of the citizens of Ingushetia. Industrial production in Russia before the First World War was 60% private and owned by owners from England and France. Including defense plants like Obukhovsky. The same story took place in the commodity market - concessions in Baku for oil production, in the North for logging, in the Urals in the mining industry, in Siberia - in gold mines.
                      Therefore, when the Bolsheviks took power into their own hands, the first thing they did was to offer peace instead of war, the first attempt of the Entente was to overthrow these Bolsheviks not because of dislike for them, but because of the planned loss of their enterprises and concessions on the territory of what was then Russia.
                      And after the signing of the Brest Peace Treaty, an ordinary intervention began under the guise of the Civil War, but with the aim of plundering everything that was at hand: Odessa, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, the Far East.
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      Having stripped Germany with reparations, France did not expect that a giant, fed by the whole world, would appear at her side.

                      England, from time immemorial, has practiced a policy of containment on the continent, and here it bypassed an ally (which later turned into World War II. But what? Nothing personal - just business). Hitler's coming to power marked not only new political goals such as "Drang nach Osten", but also the opportunity to receive serious economic dividends from investments in the German economy from the early 30s. But here the USA has already surpassed Great Britain. And following the results of the Second World War, the former British sales markets were seized. Including India and Australia.
                  2. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 18 September 2020 10: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    the city as such looks much better today than it did in the best Soviet times. The volume of housing construction is such that a 1-room apartment with an area of ​​50 sq m is currently being sold for 1 million 900 thousand - with finishing and a bathroom - move in and live.

                    That is, that is - the city is being built. Microdistrict "Severny" is now unrecognizable, a lot of new housing is being rented. But there is one but - little is done to revive the industrial sector, although there is human potential for this. Expansion of the taxable base does not occur, respectively, the regional budget is chronically "lame". The relatively low cost of new housing is not due to the generosity of the builders, but due to the low purchasing power of the population. In principle, these problems are typical not only for the Oryol region, but practically for all of Russia with rare exceptions.request
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 18 September 2020 10: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Microdistrict "Severny" is now unrecognizable, a lot of new housing is being rented.

                      Believe me, Mr. Severny has sucked for all time, since the construction of the OSPZ in the 60s ...
                      lol
                      And to this day, the heirs of those who went "for chemistry" or on parole, the builders of the Steel Rolling Plant, live there ...
                      My classmates in the late 70s complained when their parents got an apartment there "on a micron" that it didn't take a week, so that they were either not gop-stopped at the entrance "for a little", or banally squeezed umbrellas, gold, wallets.
                      And today, living "on a micron" is clearly not prestige.
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      But there is one but - little is being done to revive the industrial sector, although there is human potential for this.

                      So who is arguing?
                      Demand breeds supply ....
                      Living in Moscow, even on the outskirts of Vykhino-Zhulebino, is beyond the means of most Russians.
                      hi
              2. ANB
                ANB 18 September 2020 02: 06
                +6
                ... The reason was simple - the lack of demand for manufactured products due to their low technology and, as a result, inefficiency. The factories were essentially idle.

                Where did the effective owners look? Or did they turn out to be less effective than the Soviet state?
                Where is the invisible hand of the market, which was supposed to bring order?
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 18 September 2020 09: 27
                  0
                  Quote: ANB
                  Where did the effective owners look?

                  What other owners could have been in the post-perestroika time?
                  All over the country, defense industry enterprises went bankrupt and closed.
                  And those industries that worked for the union cooperatives have simply lost their sales markets.
                  Quote: ANB
                  Where is the invisible hand of the market that was supposed to bring order?

                  I have the impression that you, my dear, or do not remember those times when the whole country, with bated breath, was waiting for a handout from the IMF so that the state could pay the next pensions, or is clearly not adequate.
              3. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 18 September 2020 07: 41
                0
                But they revived the creamery from the ruins, now it works at full capacity, modern equipment, jobs
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 18 September 2020 09: 15
                  -3
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  revived a creamery from the ruins, now it works at full capacity, modern equipment, jobs

                  And not only...
                  Despite the collapse of collective farms, active agriculture is being carried out in the region, the level of agricultural production does not seem to exceed the one that the then first secretary of the Oryol regional committee of comrades reported with pomp. Meshkov. And this is despite the cries of neglected agricultural lands.
          4. Kisa
            Kisa 18 September 2020 00: 11
            10
            Quote: Livonetc
            You have to work and not get tired

            Gena why do you need to go to Pereyaslavl? come to us in Primorye Vladivostok Nakhodka. there from the ship repair giants NSRZ PSRZ Dalzavod you will make the ruins of the same pictures))
            Fortunately, God did not deprive us of hydrocarbons, but everything is the same ...
          5. Varyag71
            Varyag71 18 September 2020 12: 24
            +2
            Aviation ?!))) Are you working there to assert this?
      2. nnm
        nnm 17 September 2020 19: 32
        11
        The city budget is ~ 1.8 billion rubles / 39 thousand (population) = 46 thousand rubles / person per year. These are schools, and medicine, and landscaping, and so on, so on, others. And I took it "bold". 2019 year. There is no reason to dream about 1.8 billion.
        46 thousand !!! In year!! RUB 3 800 per month!!!!
        So let's not talk about the wonderful life of the townspeople
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 17 September 2020 19: 47
          -17 qualifying.
          You can't read.
          And I communicate with the townspeople.
          Modern cinema.
          Bowling.
          Pool.
          Sport halls.
          Lots of restaurants.
          The production is unique.
          I bought the neighboring plot from the production director of one of the enterprises.
          They fulfill orders of oil and gas companies operating in the northern regions.
          We beat off customers in the competition from German suppliers.
          The work of the enterprise is based on unique technologies for metal processing and the production of complex and dimensional metal structures designed for aggressive environments.
          Medicine of Pereslavl was used by me and my daughter who graduated from the medical university.
          Neither I nor my daughter have any pretensions.
          By the way, there are social pharmacies with free medicines for certain categories of citizens.
          Well, excuse me, I can continue.
          Vision in the evening already refuses to wear glasses.
          I am taking my leave for the sim.
          hi
          1. nnm
            nnm 17 September 2020 19: 53
            18
            I gave you real, dry numbers. If you think that these are adequate figures in the 21st century for the center of Russia - your right.
            If you think that in 2020 the average median salary of 25 thousand (-indfl) is good - your right.
            But to be rude about who can, who can not read is not worth it.
            But I think that a salary of over 300 dollars for the richest country is just a mockery. Or is this all that people who work so well and work well in class enterprises in Pereyaslavl deserve?
            And judging by the lowest unemployment rate in the city among the cities of the Yaroslavl region, people really work.
            1. Livonetc
              Livonetc 17 September 2020 20: 08
              -11 qualifying.
              I wrote that people do not fatten but do not live in poverty either.
              You spoke of the "wonderful life" I declared.
              It wasn’t.
              You cannot read the text.
              You read between the lines, and only what you want.
              You are in a position to count across all visibility.
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 19 September 2020 13: 14
            +1
            Quote: Livonetc
            Modern cinema.
            Bowling.
            Pool.


            It is like measuring the quality of life by the number of cars in the yards.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 September 2020 22: 35
          +5
          Quote: nnm
          City budget ~ 1.8 billion rubles / 39 thousand (population

          That's terrible ! And the HSE budget is 20 billion a year.
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 20: 52
        17
        My mother lives in the village of Pereslavl - Zalessky district. But on the border with the Vladimir region. So, practically, we constantly go to Aleksandrov.
        You somehow impersonally listed the enterprises of Pereslavl. Do they have names? Well, what would then google their prosperity.
        A record TV is gathering dust in my mother's attic. His place was taken by Samsung. But the place of the plant in Aleksandrov, no one has replaced production. As he died in 2006, he is not afraid of any sanctions.
      4. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 17 September 2020 21: 27
        +9
        In Pereslavl they make plastic and heat insulation. What else? Yes, there is also a trash landfill, packed to capacity.
        1. cost
          cost 18 September 2020 10: 54
          +1
          like the stud farm was there before
      5. Undecim
        Undecim 17 September 2020 21: 51
        +8
        And for your words the inhabitants of Pereslavl would have given you a juicy slap in the face.
        And the inhabitants of Orsk to you, and not one.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 18 September 2020 02: 38
          +7
          Ryazan, of course, would not have made Hector out of an assumed optimist, but a couple of times they would have poked with mordas at the dead roads and kicked at the research institutes that became office centers.
      6. cost
        cost 18 September 2020 10: 53
        +2
        My summer cottage near the small Russian town of Pereslavl Zalessky, the cradle of the Russian fleet.
        The population is less than 50 thousand people.
        They do not fatten but do not live in poverty either.
        Many enterprises operate.

        Which ones? If it `s not a secret. And what a lot?
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 18 September 2020 12: 19
          -2
          4 workshops for the assembly of plastic windows
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 17 September 2020 20: 28
      +4
      The author of the article is ABSOLUTELY right, although there are a couple of minor inaccuracies. Yes, Ukraine from a highly developed industrial country, highly quoted in Europe and the world, has turned into a backward trading and agricultural country.
      For inaccuracies. The author did not mention that the industrial buildings of the first line (the rest - yes - rotting and falling apart) are being turned into giant shopping malls selling mainly foreign goods. And also in Nikolaev not one shipyard, but FOUR. Three giant ones (and all others) lie in ruins, and the smallest (owned by the grain baron Vadatursky) is gradually building barges to transport grain to the roadstead to large foreign ships.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 September 2020 22: 15
      22
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I will not even comment on this article. It is enough for me to go to my mother in three areas and see an identical picture. Only not somewhere in another country, but nearby.

      hi
      To be honest, I'm already tired of those about the outskirts. I got this propaganda! I just got it. It is impossible to watch the box: either there is a "head gorova" or his "friends" or films about the war. Films about the Great War, which was won by the country, with which the current government has been fighting for 30 years, destroying political and economic victories.
      It makes me sick when I see the well-fed mug of "Dimona", receiving another medal from his patron, for "great services" to the fatherland, the hari of these "stars", the level of a Soviet pub, the snickering muzzles of people's deputies.
      But, every day, we are told how shitty it is on the outskirts, and a hundred kilometers from Moscow is better?
      My neighbor has relatives near Kharkiv, and when I asked how it is there, it’s hard, but we live, and for some reason I haven’t heard about Kharkov partisans derailing trains with ATO soldiers, haven’t heard about blown-up bridges.
      With a country that at all levels considers Russia an enemy, they increase trade and invest in its economy. With the country that cut off the water supply, they trick and flirt!
      Maybe the "forum zaputintsy" will try to explain to me a paradox of why the hryvnia to $ exchange rate has practically not changed over the past six months (1,5 hryvnia) / 1 US dollar (USD) equals 28.12 hryvnia (UAH) / with huge debts to the IMF and the West, and the ruble has fallen by nearly 20%, with 40% of the world's mineral reserves in my country.
      Sanctions certainly have an impact, or maybe shameless corruption in the government, the unrestrained theft of those in power and the transfer of funds to offshores, which our leader cannot cope with. laughing
      Let the amers learn how they do it.
      Sick, men, but I finish, or I will fall on the mat, and this is nizzzz on our forum!
      Good luck to everyone! hi
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 22: 57
        +9
        Earlier, probably remember, the authors Kamenev and Gromova were here. They loved to "bury" and find fault with Ukraine. There was not a week that would not have pulled into the light of day any news, and directly from the Ukrainian channel! About their problems - bad manners.
        Now this tradition has been taken up by Kharaluzhny. Although sometimes it seems to me that this is the pseudonym of the same Kamenev, who is tired of reproaches from members of the forum to change the subject!
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 September 2020 23: 06
          +7
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Now this tradition has been taken up by Kharaluzhny. Although sometimes it seems to me that this is the pseudonym of the same Kamenev, who is tired of reproaches from members of the forum to change the subject!

          Attention!
          Maybe this is the site's policy? After all, they are also forced people, because they will "cover", there are many opportunities to do this, in our "democratic state", although what am I talking about !? This trend is international.
          A wonderful phrase, sounded in the film "Election Day" :, - Zhurnalyug, we are driving from all over the region! laughing hi
    4. ANB
      ANB 18 September 2020 01: 59
      -6
      ... Only not somewhere in another country, but nearby.

      Specify the country, please. I travel around Russia - why not work. Enterprises only in Moscow are closed, Belgorod, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Rostov, Moscow regions, Krasnodar Territory - a bunch of enterprises. ...
    5. Fitter65
      Fitter65 18 September 2020 02: 12
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      ... It is enough for me to go to my mother in three areas and see an identical picture. Only not somewhere in another country, but nearby.

      Yes, here and just drive around the city and you can see all this ...
    6. Grits
      Grits 19 September 2020 01: 48
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Only not somewhere in another country, but nearby.

      Exactly
      Kiev motorcycle? And the author does not want to answer, where did the once popular Jupiter, Planeta from Izhevsk or Voskhod from Kovrov, once the most popular in all villages of the country, disappeared?
      Zaporozhye automobile? "Moskvich" was also a people's car. Does the author know that once there was such an AZLK plant?
      Kremenchug automobile? Well, he still produces trucks. Unlike ZIL. From which the horns and legs remained.
      The list can be continued, and it will not be in favor of Russia. So, before looking for specks, you need to pick out your logs.
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 17 September 2020 18: 21
    +2
    very informative, and you looked in the mirror for a long time? or for Russia, the outskirts already have something to compare, well, of course, we just pulled Germany on the globe with our great economy
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 September 2020 18: 23
    11
    Are things better in all the other 14 former Soviet republics? Not. Same.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 September 2020 18: 26
    +1
    We were taught at school that the development of mankind proceeds from a primitive communal system to a highly developed, albeit capitalist, system. Judging by Ukraine, under the rule of Banderlog, the process is going in the opposite direction, from a highly developed industrial country will soon come to a plow. Hence, the conclusion is whether it is time for scientists to study this phenomenon, but in order to prevent Bandera from scattering in the process of studying them, transplant them into cells. How dear forum users will react to my proposal?
  6. Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 17 September 2020 18: 33
    +1
    With the Cosmos and we are doing sad, although money is sent there. In terms of the number of launches, we have long lost our leadership. How many of them are there now as a percentage of the global number? But Rogozin's promises and plans are pleasing every time. Dreamer, cho. And this is important in the civil service - to see the goal and not see obstacles.
    Do factories go bankrupt in Ukraine? Expected. How not to go broke? In terms of price-quality ratio, their products were noticeably inferior to their Western counterparts. Yes, and a neighbor from the East podkuzmil. This is our geopolitics. And in Belarus, many will soon go broke. And we will have the same thing, only later. Few options.
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 17 September 2020 18: 49
      0
      Yes, and a neighbor from the East from podkuzm
      Is it our fault again?
      With the Cosmos it is not with us, but with you "things are sad." They produced at Yuzhmash the Soviet "Zenith" with Energomsh engines, tried to build a cosmodrome in Brazil, make "Cyclone", launch "Lybid". None of this anymore, no Zenith, no Cyclone, no Yuzhmash. Oh yes Lybid remained, but not in orbit, but gathering dust in storage in Zheleznogorsk ...
      And the "neighbor from the East": https://topcor.ru/16475-v-rossii-bez-osoboj-oglaski-sobirajut-mezhorbitalnyj-buksir-s-jadernym-dvigatelem.html?utm_source=finobzor.ru
      1. Dmitry10SPb
        Dmitry10SPb 19 September 2020 02: 31
        0
        How did Stanislavsky say when he saw the fake acting? So I will say so. I could not skip such information, if they really have been doing it for a long time.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 September 2020 18: 57
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry10SPb
      Yes, and a neighbor from the East from podkuzm

      True? Where's Nuland from?
      1. Dmitry10SPb
        Dmitry10SPb 19 September 2020 02: 28
        0
        Nuland from the north. Look through the pole. Those who podkuzmiv - from the east. Geography. I was probably mistaken about the Russian space decay. Today there was information that a habitable base will soon be built on the satellite of Jupiter. Hooray...
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 September 2020 06: 35
          0
          Quote: Dmitry10SPb
          Those who podkuzdov - from the east.

          So it was from the east that they paid for the Maidan?
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 September 2020 18: 34
    -2
    Russia was on the same path. But she slowed down.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 17 September 2020 19: 23
      +2
      Privatization is in full swing.
  8. fn34440
    fn34440 17 September 2020 18: 36
    +5
    Why do they need industrial production? Where to sell? To Georgia? Lithuania? Who will buy non-competitive shit? They interrupt the sale of military-technical products, times of the USSR, according to drawings and scientific and technical documentation of Russian scientists of the times of the USSR.
    Ukraine does not have its own SCIENCE.
    There are 15 NATO and Pentagon military biological laboratories - that's all science.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 September 2020 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: fn34440
      Ukraine does not have its own SCIENCE.
      There are 15 NATO and Pentagon military biological laboratories - that's all science.

      The fact of the matter is that the laboratories are American, but the brains in it are Ukrainian. And now that Paton is dead, no one will reckon with scientists. All in-you close! No money left. Although what am I? Only yesterday Ze announced that a laboratory would be organized in which they would invent a vaccine for the coronavirus!
      1. sedoj
        sedoj 17 September 2020 19: 42
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        a laboratory will be organized in which they will invent a vaccine for the coronavirus!

        Do they really want to make them immortal? belay
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 17 September 2020 21: 23
      +4
      Quote: fn34440
      Where to sell? To Georgia? Lithuania?

      In Russia.

      Quote: fn34440
      Who will buy non-competitive shit?

      You shouldn't be so ... When I bought Ukrainian manufactured goods (about 4 years ago) - the quality was normal.
      1. dog of war
        dog of war 21 September 2020 22: 35
        +1
        Russia itself closed its markets for Ukrainian manufactured goods, its factories had to be provided with work.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 21 September 2020 23: 18
          0
          Quote: War Dog
          Russia itself closed its markets for Ukrainian manufactured goods

          This was mainly a consequence of the so-called. "Euroassociations". V.V. Putin spoke back then ... hi
  9. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 17 September 2020 18: 53
    +1
    ZAZ recently announced that it was going to serially assemble Renault Arkana from Russian vehicle kits of the Moscow plant of the Renault group for the domestic market.
  10. maktub
    maktub 17 September 2020 19: 03
    +5
    The author mixed truth with falsehood, purely propaganda article
  11. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 19: 37
    -6
    Quote: maktub
    The author mixed truth with falsehood, purely propaganda article

    you be more informative ... refute the words of the author of the article - the same enterprises that he indicated and refute with fact
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 19: 48
      +1
      For example, the Interpipe Dnepr steel plant was built by Pinchuk a couple of years ago.
      Antonov assembles aircraft without Russian components for Peru and the National Guard
      Yuzhmash works closely with the Canadians on the cosmodrome, with the Koreans on the electric bus and asks the military for state orders
      Let the seeker find himself
      1. maktub
        maktub 17 September 2020 20: 01
        +1
        There is a plant "Bogdan" in Cherkassy
        AvtoZAZ is going to produce Renault
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 17 September 2020 20: 51
      +7
      We type in cromberg and schubert ukraine in google. We read and educate ourselves that 5000+ people work at the Lutsk branch in Zhytomyr 2000+ although in Zhytomyr before the crown there were under 3.5 thousand people.
      Such a screwdriver (according to Halaruzhny) production of wiring for Mercedes Audi Seat Folks and others like them :).
      We type in the same google DANICO. 98% of products are exported to Denmark! Any chocolate or candy produced in Europe is in fact made on the line the components to which this company supplied.
      The most that killed me Duc is that in fact the foundation was laid by three guys with the money they earned in the West back in the early 2000s! The Danes joined in the 10s when it was necessary to import new equipment without customs clearance.
      So something old has died, something new has appeared. But Halaruzhny needs to write the article correctly!
  12. 1536
    1536 17 September 2020 19: 38
    0
    So, it means they did not need spaceships. They were forced to do by the communists. And when the communists were extinct, then it became clear who was born to crawl, could not fly. The hope that they will come to their senses, otherwise a bad example is contagious.
  13. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 19: 51
    -2
    Quote: maktub
    For example, the Interpipe Dnepr steel plant was built by Pinchuk a couple of years ago.

    did you not read it carefully? everywhere businesses are closed and reopened ... this is normal .... I asked to refute the words of the author of the article .... what is written incorrectly?
  14. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 00
    0
    Quote: 1536
    metallurgical plant Interpipe Dnipro

    and by the way))))) opened in 2012))))
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 30
      0
      This is how it is built and works
  15. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 02
    -2
    Quote: maktub
    For example, the Interpipe Dnepr steel plant was built by Pinchuk a couple of years ago.
    Antonov assembles aircraft without Russian components for Peru and the National Guard
    Yuzhmash works closely with the Canadians on the cosmodrome, with the Koreans on the electric bus and asks the military for state orders
    Let the seeker find himself

    what does Antonov collect? ))))))))
    And the metallurgical plant was built in 2012)))))) for a couple of years ... hahahaha ... you shit
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 08
      0
      Throw you a link about Antonov?
    2. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 31
      +3
      Is it built in the USSR?
      Who else jerks laughing
  16. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 07
    -1
    Quote: maktub
    For example, the Interpipe Dnepr steel plant was built by Pinchuk a couple of years ago.
    Antonov assembles aircraft without Russian components for Peru and the National Guard
    Yuzhmash works closely with the Canadians on the cosmodrome, with the Koreans on the electric bus and asks the military for state orders
    Let the seeker find himself

    look ... about the search and find ... I am now dialing a dry superjet and find open data on each board produced .... please tell me the model of the aircraft from Antonov so that I can dial and find that the board is made, it is assigned a number and it was delivered to the customer .... exactly the same as I can find on the SSZ ... throw links to bravura articles into the firebox
  17. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 09
    -2
    Quote: maktub
    There is a plant "Bogdan" in Cherkassy
    AvtoZAZ is going to produce Renault

    if I now start asking a question about the number of passenger cars produced in Ukraine in 2019-2020, what do you think I will read ????
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 22
      -1
      By Bogdan, by the way, look for MAZs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine assembled from Belarusian components in Cherkassy
      1. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 17 September 2020 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: maktub
        By Bogdan, by the way, look for MAZs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine assembled from Belarusian components in Cherkassy

        That's just for this and for the sale of fuels and lubricants to Ukraine, "Father" had to kick the ass.
        1. maktub
          maktub 17 September 2020 20: 47
          -2
          To lose a promising sales market?
          1. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 17 September 2020 20: 51
            0
            Quote: maktub
            To lose a promising sales market?

            And from what oil and gas did he supply you all this? What market are you talking about? Moreover, promising.
            1. maktub
              maktub 17 September 2020 21: 17
              0
              They plan to update the fleet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and this is, according to experts, 20000 units of vehicles. Czechs or Koreans will not sell Luca. This is for MAZ and other platforms.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 18 September 2020 15: 28
                +1
                Yeah. The Czechs have already bought out five workshops of the giant Yuzhmash in Dnepropetrovsk. In two there will be an exhibition of the products of the Skoda factories, and in three there will be REPAIR of the products of these factories. And this is Yuzhmash !, which could produce locomotives, tractors, tanks, trolleybuses, missiles, rocket trains ...
  18. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 10
    -2
    Quote: maktub
    Throw you a link about Antonov?

    to articles in the press? throw it into the furnace ... a link to sources about the produced boards by model, with registration and assignment of numbers and transfer to the customer - let's
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 18
      0
      Peruvian AN178 is exactly on the stocks
      For the rest, Google will help you
  19. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 17 September 2020 20: 15
    +9
    In the peaceful sphere, a predatory privatization took place, turning many factories that flourished during the Soviet era into premises for shopping and entertainment centers or office complexes, and most into heaps of ruins.
    Which country is this? In Chelyabinsk we have an abundance of such examples. Moreover, the Americans got into secret production. This is about the Pribor plant, which did not even have a sign at the time. Plastics Factory, Caliber, Watch Factory ... angry
  20. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 19
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Peruvian AN178 is exactly on the stocks
    For the rest, Google will help you

    Google says that not a damn thing other than samples is done ... only dreams out loud ..... what should I believe? one AN178 on the slipway)))))) MOS .... MOSYA daze
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 45
      -1
      Doesn't repair count?
  21. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 25
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Peruvian AN178 is exactly on the stocks
    For the rest, Google will help you

    you know))))) if I open ANY almost ANY publication about the production of SSZH-100, I will find a lot of comments from Ukraine with stories "ha ha ha ... not a damn they are not built" and this with more than 200 boards produced since 2011 .. ..... but from you I directly see the flows of slender aircraft of the Academy of Sciences with the only board ordered for Peru, BUT not yet built))))) you are probably joking
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 00: 14
      +2
      An indiscreet question: how many 2020 SSJs have been delivered to airlines? Not issued by micro-serial production to "crush concrete", but delivered?
      On the main official "SSJ-site" - http://www.scac.ru/ru/ - nothing is reported about such deliveries. Are they "hiding successes" there ??
  22. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 32
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    There is a plant "Bogdan" in Cherkassy
    AvtoZAZ is going to produce Renault

    I stupidly open the statistics of produced passenger cars in PIECES ... open UKRAINE - by months of 2020 and car models: JANUARY / FEBRUARY / MARCH / APRIL Skoda - 787/146/246/59 ... Bogdan - 0/10/0/0. ... BAZ - 10/20/8/0 ...... ZAZ - 1/5/2/0 ...... shall we continue further?
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 43
      -1
      The crisis however
      There are many projects, it remains to be implemented
  23. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 33
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    Is it built in the USSR?
    Who else jerks laughing

    It was not built a couple of years ago))))))) it was built at Yanyka .... which is not strange ... and a couple of years ago it was 2018
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 20: 49
      -1
      It was built in spite of Yanyk
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 18 September 2020 15: 22
        0
        Yeah. It is all the same, as they say, that in the Great Patriotic War they won despite Stalin.
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  25. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 September 2020 20: 41
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Livonetc
    Russia is developing.

    Yes, yes, you are right, but the wording is "negative growth". But it's still growth, isn't it?

    Not true.
    The USA has the same "growth" now.
    Please tell me
    Can you really say that the economy and economic situation in Russia is equivalent to the situation in Ukraine?
    Those gentlemen with whom there was a lively discussion interpret exactly this.
  26. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 17 September 2020 20: 44
    0
    Well, there will be no problems with biogas in uk-r-ii. A pipe can be connected to each house. Biakhgaz will have more than enough!
  27. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 46
    +3
    Quote: maktub
    The crisis however
    There are many projects, it remains to be implemented

    so and the article is called HOW ????? De-industrialization of Ukraine ......... "what is not true ?????
  28. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 48
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    The crisis however
    There are many projects, it remains to be implemented

    there can be at least a million projects, which in principle is good ....... but no less, but rather the customer is more important ... the presence of a customer ... without ordering all projects NOTHING in fact
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 21: 03
      0
      By the way, the Turks, together with Antonov, are planning the construction of the AN-178, as stated by Erdogan
  29. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 50
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    It was built in spite of Yanyk

    that on the forehead, that on the forehead ... we are talking about today))))) it was built in 2012, under Yanyka ... under Gunpowder or Ze, there is not even a similar project ...
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 21: 00
      -2
      Do not rush fate, we will look at the age of 21, Strategies, plans are. In each area Ze presents the development strategies of the region for years
      The process of gradual renewal of the Big Construction infrastructure is underway
  30. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 20: 51
    0
    Quote: maktub
    Doesn't repair count?

    ohohohohohooo ..... repair is probably exactly THAT that keeps the same Antonov afloat ... but this is not a repair shop .... it is not gud
  31. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 03
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    The crisis however
    There are many projects, it remains to be implemented

    and now for your sake I will print the production of cars in Ukraine with .... let's say 2010 in PIECES .... and you describe to me the name of what happened ...... so let's go 2010 - 83155 ..... 2011 - 104444 ..... 2012 - 76379 ...... 2013 - 50460 ...... 2014 - 28691 ..... 2015 - 8244 ...... 2016 - 5456 .... .2017 - 9305 ....... 2018 - 6623 ..... 2019 - 7265 ..... can you briefly describe the trend ????
  32. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 07
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    By the way, the Turks, together with Antonov, are planning the construction of the AN-178, as stated by Erdogan

    there is such a word ... characterizes trolling ... it is written "thickly" ..... there is also a word about Erdogan and AN)))) "wet" is this word .... more broadly ... "wet dreams "))))) Is there a firm contract? is there the first board built and transferred in this series according to the contract?)))))) once again "wet dreams" are
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 21: 37
      -3
      My friend, well, you are quick
      Urusky only signed a treaty in Turkey a couple of weeks ago
  33. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Do not rush fate, we will look at the age of 21, Strategies, plans are. In each area Ze presents the development strategies of the region for years
    The process of gradual renewal of the Big Construction infrastructure is underway

    that's when there WILL be something SERIAL on an INDUSTRIAL scale then there will be a conversation ... but for now the author of the article is 100% right)))) for you by 146% ... the author is right, you are NOT
  34. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Do not rush fate, we will look at the age of 21, Strategies, plans are. In each area Ze presents the development strategies of the region for years
    The process of gradual renewal of the Big Construction infrastructure is underway

    and if you want me personally to you here I will throw off a link to such a YouTube channel as ZANOZA (lat) ???? he is there, too, very regularly damply wipes with vidos)))))) but what is the coolest thing is his vidos have terms)))) and there are such UNEPIC PROJECTS from a year and two years ago for the construction of Ukrainian "Death Stars" ... so funny to look at this gurgle of Wishlist and the resulting megaOBSERY))))) want?
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 22: 11
      +1
      Yes, I'm somehow more on the printed word laughing
  35. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 42
    +3
    Quote: maktub
    My friend, well, you are quick
    Urusky only signed a treaty in Turkey a couple of weeks ago

    listen)))))) I've already read so many victorious reports in the press, and not only in yours, that I believe only in FACT ... that is, the PRODUCT was built, certified and ACCEPTED by the customer (I remind you of the APC batch and megaobsere with their acceptance by the customer)
  36. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 43
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    My friend, well, you are quick
    Urusky only signed a treaty in Turkey a couple of weeks ago

    but you are more likely to shoot here)))) you not only divided the skin of a bear that was not killed, but also managed to sell it, buy it back, but also sell it again
  37. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 21: 45
    +2
    Quote: maktub
    My friend, well, you are quick
    Urusky only signed a treaty in Turkey a couple of weeks ago

    let me here "I will anoint vavka with brilliant green")))))) I will say that the Russian army acquired a 5th generation fighter only when a serial batch is purchased (built and accepted into the army) .... but for now this is a project
    1. maktub
      maktub 17 September 2020 22: 09
      0
      Uv.Ovsigovets, I see that I did not convince you, nor did you convince me, in something you are right, in something I am. Let's put an end to it and wait for 21 years, ok? !!
      By the way, in the first post I wrote "truth with lies" laughing
  38. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 22: 18
    +1
    Quote: maktub
    Uv.Ovsigovets, I see that I did not convince you, nor did you convince me, in something you are right, in something I am. Let's put an end to it and wait for 21 years, ok? !!
    By the way, in the first post I wrote "truth with lies" laughing

    I gave you below an example of an annual car production in Ukraine ... then I recalled the title of the article where we are talking about the de-industrialization of Ukraine's industrial production .... read and count .... I say that the author of the article is right here, but you are not ... ... he cited real numbers, you cited "unreal")))))) and everything suggests that the word "deindustrialization" accurately characterizes the present day
  39. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 September 2020 22: 19
    0
    Quote: maktub
    Yes, I'm somehow more on the printed word laughing

    and this will somehow change the real production figures for industrial products in Ukraine ??????
  40. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 17 September 2020 22: 53
    +6
    The purpose of such articles (and in general of this author) is to show an example.
    It's also good that there is Ukraine where it is worse. It's more pleasant to compare.
    Although logically it should be compared with something more ambitious. All the same 6 economy. Must with Germany. Canada. USA. Japan, etc.
    And the Soviet giants died most of all where their majority. And this is Ukraine and the Russian Federation.
    The lists for these countries are quite large.
    By the way, not one author has given general figures. By quantity, Ukraine or the Russian Federation is the leader in this "de-industrialization"
    And by the way, anything can be considered an industry now. The service industry is even more expensive than production.
    For many industries, a factory is not required.
  41. Avior
    Avior 17 September 2020 22: 55
    10
    I read about all these disputes about pig iron smelting per capita and am amazed.
    In our VO, either the government in its entirety is sitting, or the entire staff of the IMF without exception, or the Bloomberg agency in its entirety.
    Either a club of oligarchs was formed.
    And what's the point of chewing it?
    There is a direct indicator - the level of income of the population, which, although not ideal, is a hundred times more informative than how many cars were produced there, or how much rental was poured into bins, which have nothing at all about, even if the oligarchs - plant owners have a headache for them , steamships and so on, this concerns them, not us.
    And if we are talking about Ukraine, then income indicators have become practically unrelated to discussions about smelting.
    For five years now, wages have been actively growing in Ukraine. Not that without the differences, but in general, growth is visible, and it is active.
    https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
    Growth in five years - almost three times.
    Despite the fact that there is also a rise in prices, it is clear that it is far from threefold. A significant contribution to the rise in prices was at the beginning of 2015 due to the growth of communal apartments, but since then it has not grown, but rather fell.
    The exchange rate of the hryvnia, although it jumps slightly, is generally kept within the corridor of about 27 hryvnia for the same five years.
    In fact, the salary indicators are very close to the Russian and Belarusian ones, especially given the fact that in Russia the differences in wages are huge, and the Ukrainian minimum wage even slightly exceeded the Russian one.
    Obviously, this has nothing to do with the work of factories in Nikolaev or the production of aircraft in Kharkov. Not at all.
    We must forget about the times of the USSR in such reasoning.
    The structure of industry and the economy in general has changed long ago and does not correlate in any way with the reasoning of how many factories have been built.
    What difference does it make if the salaries of the population do not grow from this?
    When it may have been, but the situation has changed long ago.
    It is high time to switch to direct methods of assessing income and the level of the population in order to understand the situation and make assessments of it
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 18 September 2020 06: 33
      +5
      Useless! How many times have I tried to explain to people that Switzerland does not produce airliners and mining dump trucks, that they do not smelt pig iron and do not cut down forests, and the standard of living is higher than in many European countries - USELESS!
      Our people are used to pride that we have more megawatts, tons and centners than in Kyrgyzstan (or another country).
  42. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 17 September 2020 23: 10
    +5
    I never moved in: what for us "spaceships" and what's bad besides good in biofuel production? ... laughing "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." (C) Sitting in the priest, but proud of the fact that "spaceships ply the Bolshoi Theater" (C) bully
  43. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 17 September 2020 23: 38
    -6
    Yes, yes, Raguli produce hefty methane gas. And with sex turnover start up. It is worth saying not "in", but "on" and rushed.
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 00: 19
      +5
      Well, it works great in Russia too. It is enough to name the RF by its hereby full names: Resource Federation or Fake Federation - and so much biogas is emitted - that mom don't cry !! laughing
  44. MBRSS
    MBRSS 18 September 2020 02: 10
    0
    And what is known about Kharkov Turboatom?
  45. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 18 September 2020 02: 51
    -3
    Quote: Zementbomber
    An indiscreet question: how many 2020 SSJs have been delivered to airlines? Not issued by micro-serial production to "crush concrete", but delivered?
    On the main official "SSJ-site" - http://www.scac.ru/ru/ - nothing is reported about such deliveries. Are they "hiding successes" there ??

    the most open source of WIKI ... you will not believe))))
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  46. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 18 September 2020 02: 59
    -3
    Quote: Avior
    I read about all these disputes about pig iron smelting per capita and am amazed.
    In our VO, either the government in its entirety is sitting, or the entire staff of the IMF without exception, or the Bloomberg agency in its entirety.
    Either a club of oligarchs was formed.
    And what's the point of chewing it?
    There is a direct indicator - the level of income of the population, which, although not ideal, is a hundred times more informative than how many cars were produced there, or how much rental was poured into bins, which have nothing at all about, even if the oligarchs - plant owners have a headache for them , steamships and so on, this concerns them, not us.
    And if we are talking about Ukraine, then income indicators have become practically unrelated to discussions about smelting.
    For five years now, wages have been actively growing in Ukraine. Not that without the differences, but in general, growth is visible, and it is active.
    https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/ukraina/
    Growth in five years - almost three times.
    Despite the fact that there is also a rise in prices, it is clear that it is far from threefold. A significant contribution to the rise in prices was at the beginning of 2015 due to the growth of communal apartments, but since then it has not grown, but rather fell.
    The exchange rate of the hryvnia, although it jumps slightly, is generally kept within the corridor of about 27 hryvnia for the same five years.
    In fact, the salary indicators are very close to the Russian and Belarusian ones, especially given the fact that in Russia the differences in wages are huge, and the Ukrainian minimum wage even slightly exceeded the Russian one.
    Obviously, this has nothing to do with the work of factories in Nikolaev or the production of aircraft in Kharkov. Not at all.
    We must forget about the times of the USSR in such reasoning.
    The structure of industry and the economy in general has changed long ago and does not correlate in any way with the reasoning of how many factories have been built.
    What difference does it make if the salaries of the population do not grow from this?
    When it may have been, but the situation has changed long ago.
    It is high time to switch to direct methods of assessing income and the level of the population in order to understand the situation and make assessments of it

    now for you ... what is the article called? what is our dispute with maktub about?
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 September 2020 03: 08
      +6
      I didn’t write anything to you personally.
  47. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 18 September 2020 03: 00
    -3
    Quote: Zementbomber
    I never moved in: what for us "spaceships" and what's bad besides good in biofuel production? ... laughing "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." (C) Sitting in the priest, but proud of the fact that "spaceships ply the Bolshoi Theater" (C) bully

    all and all production is good, all losses are bad ... in principle, we are talking about this and nothing else
  48. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 18 September 2020 03: 10
    0
    Quote: Avior
    I didn’t write anything to you personally.

    well then I gave it by))))) my apologies
  49. And why do you need
    And why do you need 18 September 2020 06: 42
    0
    The author should not exaggerate the paints like that. "Serial production of Renault ARKANA for the Ukrainian market has been established at ZAZ in Zaporozhye from car sets supplied from the Moscow plant of the Renault group," the Renault Ukraine website said.

    The message emphasizes that the entire technological process takes place taking into account all standards and production requirements.

    As indicated in the price list, the starting price of Arkana will be from 467,9 thousand hryvnia (1,2 million rubles).

    On September 14, Renault Russia announced the start of deliveries of the new Kaptur to the CIS countries.

    It is noted that the car is supplied to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan "source" Izvestia "
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 18 September 2020 15: 10
      0
      About cars. For KrAZ trucks, Ukraine receives frames from KamAZ, D-308 engines and tires from Yaroslavl, titanium drive axles from ZiL, assembly is carried out in Nigeria. In general, cabins, bodies and hoods are produced in Kremenchug. Yes, I forgot the springs. And the car is called KrAZ-Kremenchug Automobile Plant ...
  50. Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 10: 53
    -3
    Author! Why did you put a photo of the ruins of the Volgograd Tractor Plant in the photo for the article? Please be more careful about theme design! It is not impressive to write such articles and use photos from destroyed Russian enterprises.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 18 September 2020 12: 21
      -1
      Breshete dear! What, really wanted to vomit bile? negative
      This is a photo of the Kiev Electric Transportation Plant! Here, back in 2013, they wrote about him: https://technic-man.livejournal.com/1081.html
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 18 September 2020 23: 10
        +1
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        https://technic-man.livejournal.com/1081.html

        Right.
        Abandoned workshops with trams - well, there can't be VTZ.
        Well, only because the building itself survived, and there it was as if the Germans had bombed it, although you shouldn't be proud of that either.

        However, huge workshops are clearly redundant for needs.
      2. Alvis07
        Alvis07 19 September 2020 23: 45
        -5
        Could you please give a link to a photo of the ruins of the Volgograd Tractor Plant, purely for comparison, dear?
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 20 September 2020 11: 38
          -1
          Certainly can. And not only in the photo, I can also take pictures from the drone. But why? I did not dispute the fact that such a plant was destroyed. I know about this trouble. I just really didn’t like how you disgustingly trying to slip a fake, such as to throw a shit up unnoticed and in passing.
          1. Alvis07
            Alvis07 20 September 2020 13: 11
            -5
            But all the same - come on! At least the ruins will not become faceless and in the future it will be possible to accurately identify and compare))