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Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars

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Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars

Heavy interplanetary ship as seen by the artist


The mission to Mars could have been the salvation of Soviet civilization. However, for the sake of "stability" and a consumerist "golden age", the Kremlin has abandoned its thrust into the future, toward the stars, and from winning the Cold War.

Heavy Martian Ship


In the Soviet Union, the first variants of spacecraft for an expedition to Mars were first considered in 1959 at Korolev's OKB-1. The project of a heavy interplanetary ship was created by two groups of engineers: the first was led by Gleb Maksimov, and the second - by Konstantin Feoktistov.

In 1960, a group of developers led by Feoktistov proposed a project for a Martian expedition. It included a heavy main ship, five descent vehicles of a segment-conical shape, from which an expedition train on large inflated wheels was assembled on Mars. Five large self-propelled platforms: a flight deck, a platform carrying an aircraft, two platforms carrying the main and spare rockets to return the three Soviet cosmonauts to orbit, and the last platform carrying a nuclear power plant. The expedition was supposed to study the Red Planet for a year. The information was transmitted to the main ship, and he would relay it to Earth. Soviet researchers planned to use electric jet engines, which are highly economical, thanks to which it was possible to reduce the launch mass or increase the flight mass.

It must be said that K. Feoktistov was a unique personality characteristic of that great era. A participant in the Great Patriotic War, a military intelligence officer, he was captured, miraculously survived. He dreamed of creating spaceships and interplanetary flights. In 1949 he graduated from the Moscow Higher Technical School. N.E.Bauman (MVTU). He worked at a research institute together with a designer in the field of rocketry Mikhail Tikhonravov. Later he worked with him in the "Special Design Bureau No. 1" together with Sergey Korolev. Participant in the development of the first artificial Earth satellite, spacecraft Vostok, Soyuz and Progress, orbital stations Salyut and Mir. Pilot-cosmonaut, in 1964 he made a space flight on the Voskhod spacecraft, in the development of which he participated himself. He became the first civilian cosmonaut. Hero of the Soviet Union.

Maximov's project involved the creation of a heavy 75-ton ship and a rocket unit designed to accelerate an expeditionary vehicle with three pilots on board. The power of the heavy Martian spacecraft (TMK) was provided by a compact nuclear reactor. Food and oxygen for the crew were produced by the original greenhouse with chlorella algae. In flight, the spacecraft rotated around its axis, providing the astronauts with artificial gravity. Maximov's project did not provide for the landing of the crew on the surface of the god of war planet.

The Soviet Union then rushed to the Red Planet. The Russians were supposed to be the first on Mars. In June 1960, the CPSU Central Committee and the USSR Council of Ministers set the launch day - June 8, 1971, with a return to Earth on June 10, 1974. It is clear that the first projects of Maksimov and Feoktistov were too daring and grandiose. They would later develop simplified designs. Maximov's group will develop the Mavr project (a flight to Mars with a passing flyby of Venus), Feoktistov's group - the Aelita plan.


Konstantin Feoktistov (second from the right in the front row) with other Soviet cosmonauts. July 1, 1965

Project development


The lunar race has pushed back flight plans to Mars for a while. But they returned to them. After the Americans were the first to fly around the moon in 1968 and landed on it in 1969 (or skillfully imitated the landing), Moscow decided that it was necessary to return to the Martian expedition. In May 1969, V. Mishin, who headed the Central Design Bureau of Experimental Mechanical Engineering (TsKBEM) after the death of Korolev, signed a preliminary design of the N-1M rocket and space system. There were considered ways to modernize the base carrier for the sake of significantly expanding its capabilities and projects for creating new ships for flights to the Moon and planets of the solar system.

The project of the Martian expeditionary complex (MEC) by Feoktistov was recognized as successful. The six-seater ship was supposed to make an expedition to Mars and back in 630 days. And the lander with three cosmonauts will stay on the Red Planet for 5 days. The MEK consisted of an interplanetary spacecraft weighing 60 tons, a landing module of 50 tons, and a vehicle with a mass of 8,6 tons to be returned to Earth. The ship used an onboard nuclear reactor, electro-jet and auxiliary liquid-jet engines. The two-hundred-meter MEK was going to be built in space by docking two unmanned units weighing 150 tons each in Earth's orbit, which were launched into space by the H-1M carriers. The total length of the ship reached 128 meters. The first block is the Martian Orbital Complex (MOC) and the Martian Landing Complex (IPC); the second is a nuclear installation and electric propulsion engines (ERE). After the docking of the blocks, under the action of the thrust of the ERE, the ship began to accelerate along a gradually unwinding spiral. After the spacecraft left the Earth's radiation belts, they were going to deliver the crew to MEK using the "lunar" ships of the 7K-L1 type, which had rendezvous and docking facilities in high orbit. It was planned to launch them on the flight trajectory using the Proton launch vehicle with the D upper stage.

At the same time, having lost hope of success in the lunar race, another famous designer, Vladimir Chelomey, decided to become the first on Mars. On June 30, 1969, order No. 232 of the Minister of General Machine Building S. A. Afanasyev was issued on the development of the Aelita project. According to it, the development of the project for the UR-700M launch vehicle and the MK-700 Martian spacecraft began. Studies have shown that the use of the UR-700 rocket will delay the assembly time, since 10 launches of this rocket are required. The much heavier version of the UR-700M required only two launches.

Cancellation of an expedition to Mars


However, at the same time, the Kremlin decided that the effect of the impact of the first man's flight on the Red Planet on world public opinion would be too small in comparison with the material costs. According to various estimates, a manned flight to Mars would have cost the country 30-40 billion rubles, which is almost an order of magnitude higher than the cost of the lunar program H1-L3. In 1974, the N-1 development program was closed, and with it the development of the Martian expedition was completed.

According to the Russian scientist and historian Andrey Fursov, large-scale space programs of both the USSR and the United States were dangerous for the world elite. Therefore, they were gradually phased out, leaving mainly small scientific projects, the military and commercial sectors. A breakthrough in space created a powerful layer of scientific and technical elite on the planet and led to the creation of a new society of creation, which was a threat to the world financial plutocracy and the consumer society. In the USSR, after the successive liquidation of the Stalinist project, the nomenklatura took a course towards "stabilization" and normalization of relations with the West, refusing to develop and leap towards the stars. What became the basis for the gradual decay and subsequent catastrophe of Soviet civilization.

As a result, Moscow itself abandoned the possible scenario of winning the big game. The success of the Soviet Martian expedition would have dealt a fatal blow to the United States, thereby ensuring the Russians' victory in the Cold War. Russia would give humanity a dream, an opportunity to grow. But someone preferred to grow fat and degrade ... The costs of space exploration would justify themselves, and many times over. It was easy to find the funds: to save on the issue tanks and aircraft (there were plenty of them); curtail the appetites of various African kings, "socialist builders" whom the Kremlin enthusiastically helped, and so on. To fend off the Russians' success on Mars, the United States would have to create an inhabited base on the Moon or fly to Jupiter.

The possibility of victory for a new model of civilization and society


If the Soviet Union were the first to be on Mars, then humanity would be able to get out of the dead end of capitalism, the Western degradation-parasitic model of society. To respond to probable Soviet success, America would have to dramatically increase spending on space and science, education and advanced industries. The Western elite would have to abandon the course of degradation of culture, society and education, which began in the 60s. We would have had to cut the appropriations for the arms race at our bases around the world. Develop hundreds and thousands of technologies needed for the space program, not just computers and mobile communications. Refuse wild spending on entertainment (in fact, decomposition). To rebuild their economy on a planned, in essence, socialist basis, to cut the overconsumption of the rich, to take away most of their private profits. That is, the West would have to copy the Soviet development model in order to survive.

A new scientific and technological revolution would create a powerful creative production class (elite). In the process of preparing an expedition to Mars and other planets, many new technologies would appear. In particular, even then a new carbon-free power industry would have been born - based on hydrogen fuel cells, compact nuclear reactors and solar batteries. It is possible that on other physical principles. New materials, medicines, technologies for obtaining clean water and food, autonomous life support systems, energy saving would appear.

Thus, socialism would triumph on the planet. In society, the first place would be not capital and money, but knowledge and skills. The society that Stalin built would have taken the upper hand: a society of service, creation and knowledge. The main thing in such a society would be not an oligarch-capitalist or a bureaucrat, but a creator-scientist, designer, engineer and teacher. A powerful creative impulse would give new life to the entire planet, unleash creativity, break the old economy and system. The very foundation of capitalism would disappear — the distribution of resources and benefits in favor of a handful of “chosen ones”. Energy sources would be inexhaustible and environmentally friendly, the production of living goods would be extremely cheap. The world of capitalist predators and marauders, the world of globalization and slavery, hedonism and degeneration would be doomed to death. And the Russians, with their incredible ability to create, creativity and risk, with their colossal creative energy, would become complete and final winners!

However, such exciting prospects were dangerous not only for the western elite, but also for the decrepit Soviet nomenklatura. The Kremlin has given up its thrust into the future, towards the stars, and from winning the Cold War for the sake of "stability" and a consumerist "golden age."

The money was burned in the construction of thousands of guns, tanks and aircraft (which ultimately did not save the USSR) to help "friendly" regimes in Africa and Asia. Astronautics has become ordinary, philistine, without expeditions to other planets. Moscow, abandoning its space mission, gave the United States the opportunity to win in 1991 and prolong the existence of the Western "golden billion". The West plundered the Soviet Union and the countries of the socialist bloc, postponing its next systemic crisis for a decade. And humanity found itself in a dead end of the western (now global) development model.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 17 September 2020 12: 01 New
    +2
    Why did Moscow refuse to fight?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 10 New
      -6
      Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars
      patamushtarogozinicompany ...
      1. Yura
        Yura 17 September 2020 12: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        patamushtarogozinicompany ...

        And Rogozin turns out to be a "Macropolus agent" which, on the contrary, indulges in your opinion, commanded Rosskosmos before he was born?
        However, such exciting prospects were dangerous not only for the western elite, but also for the decrepit Soviet nomenklatura. The Kremlin has given up its thrust into the future, towards the stars, and from winning the Cold War for the sake of "stability" and a consumerist "golden age."
        Money was burned in the construction of thousands of guns, tanks and aircraft (which ultimately did not save the USSR) to help "friendly" regimes in Africa and Asia
        By the way, I do not completely agree with the above quote, it was not about money and not about the Soviet nomenclature, but about the risk that was not justified, if the project did not succeed, it is even more terrible if the astronauts died, it would cause enormous harm to the USSR during all aspects. It was just too early.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 52 New
          -2
          Quote: Jura
          And Rogozin turns out to be a "Macropolus remedy" which, on the contrary, indulges in your

          this is not Korolev, but a journalist who is clearly out of place.
        2. Roman13579
          Roman13579 17 September 2020 13: 18 New
          -1
          And now it's too late ..
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        patamushtarogozinicompany ...

        Patam that capitalism does not want.
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 17 September 2020 13: 46 New
          +5
          Generally an article about the Soviet Union
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 18 September 2020 06: 59 New
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            Quote: _Sergey_
            about the Soviet Union
            Yes, the USSR was on Mars.
            Mars 3, 1971. The first ever soft landing on Mars. AMC re-entered the atmosphere, slowed down, used all the required parachutes, got rid of the fairings, and paraded. Alas, then the station worked for a very short time - 14.5 seconds.
            The Soviet Union was the first on Mars, as well as on Venus, on the Moon. As for manned flights, this is what Vladimir Putin said in an interview with Sergei Govorukhin (2017.04.03).
            Sergei Govorukhin: Who will be the first to fly to Mars?
            Vladimir Putin: A car. Why? Because everyone is planning flights to Mars, but few people know that in today's conditions and in today's spaceships, a living cell is unlikely to fly. It's just that a living cell in such a hard space, in the far, is not protected by a spaceship. Probably, everything is changing and, probably, such opportunities will appear, but there are still problems. Therefore, for now, probably, research will still be carried out using technology.
            This explains a lot, both in a manned flight to Mars and to the Moon, which is much closer, but to which the United States has completely lost interest, even in terms of practicing control of mobile robots. The further the target is, the more difficult it is to track and test it, the better the Americans do ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 September 2020 18: 05 New
          +3
          "Patam what capitalism doesn't want." Strangely, the capitalist Musk needs it, and all the other millionaires and billionaires are slowly pulling up to space.
          1. mark2
            mark2 17 September 2020 18: 48 New
            -3
            Strange, but capitalist Musk needs it

            And he doesn't need it. It is necessary that the money would flow. And that's all. With that technical background and competencies, it is not necessary to start with this.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 18 September 2020 14: 29 New
              0
              Quote: mark2
              do not start with this
              Why?
              1. mark2
                mark2 18 September 2020 18: 54 New
                +1
                From the training of specialists who can embody this project in hardware and deliver it all to Mars. Those. start with education. There are fewer specialists, few new ones. The new ones simply did not have time to adopt the experience and do not have all the competencies. This article describes what and how the USSR wanted to send to Mars. Now answer the question, can Musk, having the technology of the 20th century, do this?
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 19 September 2020 10: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: mark2
                  From the training of specialists who can embody this project in hardware and deliver it all to Mars.
                  And why did you decide that Musk has no specialists? Successful trials of Starship's prototypes show the same thing.
                  Quote: mark2
                  There are fewer specialists, few new ones. The new ones simply did not have time to adopt the experience and do not have all the competencies.
                  Who told you that? Do you personally know statistics on American universities and the competence of graduates? lol
                  Quote: mark2
                  Now answer the question, can Musk, with the technology of the 20th century, do this?
                  Musk has long overtaken 20th century technology. As for "can - can not", some 20 years ago everyone mocked him and called him a naive dreamer who can do nothing. Some 2-3 years ago, no one believed that he would launch a man into space. Now Musk is crushing the entire commercial freight market and will take over the transportation of astronauts in the near term.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 September 2020 18: 47 New
              -1
              "And he doesn't need it." Well, yes, a man and his office dealing with manned spacecraft rocket engines returned by the head fairings by the returned first stages - it turns out that the main thing is not necessary that just money would go - "Logic" go treat your head.
              1. mark2
                mark2 18 September 2020 18: 55 New
                0
                Your belief in the success of the Mask touches the faith of other offices.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 19 September 2020 11: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: mark2
                  Your belief in Musk's success
      3. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 17 September 2020 13: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Dead Day
        patamushtarogozinicompany ..

        If only to be noted. An article about the times when Rogozin was still studying the Primer ....
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 17 September 2020 13: 34 New
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          Quote: Vladimir61
          Quote: Dead Day
          patamushtarogozinicompany ..

          If only to be noted. An article about the times when Rogozin was still studying the Primer ....

          he smoked it - "primer".
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 17 September 2020 13: 37 New
            +8
            Quote: Dead Day
            he - "primer" - smoked

            But that's not the point! Some kind of meaningless remarks, boyish ...
            1. bk316
              bk316 18 September 2020 21: 33 New
              +3
              Some kind of meaningless remarks, boyish ...

              Vladimir, why are you surprised. He has ALL the comments so meaningless.
              It's a shame for the site: it has two big stars and you have two small ones.
              Clip thinking .....
              1. archergoo
                archergoo 22 September 2020 10: 06 New
                0
                here would be a function to turn off comments from users who got them with their stupid statements
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 17 September 2020 14: 26 New
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            Quote: Dead Day
            he smoked it - "primer".

            With a brother for two.
      4. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 September 2020 17: 06 New
        +4
        Mars is a cold stone, without air and water. But Callipso and other moons of Jupiter are much more interesting. Rogozin announced the sending of the module there ..... this is certainly not a manned flight, but if now you do not spend resources to create a rocket with a nuclear engine, then the whole system will be available
      5. ZAV69
        ZAV69 18 September 2020 07: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Dead Day
        patamushtarogozinicompany ..

        Rogozin was still in kindergarten at that time. No need to juggle.
    2. snake
      snake 17 September 2020 12: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      Why did Moscow refuse to fight?

      There is no gas or oil on Mars. Therefore, it is economically unprofitable to explore Mars. Be aware of this.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 53 New
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        Quote: serpent
        Quote: iouris
        Why did Moscow refuse to fight?

        There is no gas or oil on Mars. Therefore, it is economically unprofitable to explore Mars. Be aware of this.
        but there is no time for buildup ...?
        1. snake
          snake 17 September 2020 14: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Dead Day
          but there is no time for buildup ...?

          No pumping, but pumping (subsoil) is.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 17 September 2020 15: 24 New
            +4
            For science, it is much more interesting to study Venus than dead Mars. Therefore, in the Soviet Union, AMS (automatic interplanetary stations) was sent to Venus. And even though most of them were lost (about 20 probes and AMS), but there is an atmosphere, volcanic activity, etc. hi
            1. snake
              snake 17 September 2020 19: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              For science, it is much more interesting to study Venus than dead Mars.

              Maybe. But in my opinion, Mars is better suited as a test site for interplanetary flights and landings. The conditions are not as extreme as on Venus. And if you follow the optimal strategy "from simple to complex", then it turns out - first Mars, then Venus.
            2. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 18 September 2020 10: 05 New
              0
              more interesting is the study of Venus
              It is much more difficult to study, but, in principle, you can not even dream of landing people. Flights to the moon are more promising.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 24 September 2020 17: 56 New
                0
                Sooner or later, but Mercury and, later, Venus will have to collide on the Sun - when the "fuel" on the star does not start to run out. hi
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 24 September 2020 18: 11 New
                  -1
                  Sooner or later, but Mercury and, later, Venus will have to be pushed into the Sun - when the "fuel"
                  The idea is very good, but won't the movement of these objects lead to a shift in the orbits of others?
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 24 September 2020 20: 42 New
                    0
                    The distance is too great, which practically does not affect our orbit.
    3. astepanov
      astepanov 17 September 2020 15: 19 New
      +8
      A powerful creative impulse would give new life to the entire planet, unleash creativity, break the old economy and system. The very foundation of capitalism would disappear — the distribution of resources and benefits in favor of a handful of “chosen ones”. Energy sources would be inexhaustible and environmentally friendly, the production of living goods would be extremely cheap. The world of capitalist predators and marauders, the world of globalization and slavery, hedonism and degeneration would be doomed to death. And the Russians, with their incredible ability to create, creativity and risk, with their colossal creative energy, would become complete and final winners!

      Ah, how it looks like the perspectives deployed in Vasyuki by the Great Combinator! "Dazzling prospects unfolded in front of the Vasyukin amateurs. The limits of the room expanded. The rotten walls of the horse breeding nest collapsed, and instead of them the glass thirty-three-story palace of chess thought went into the blue sky. In each of his halls, in each room and even in the elevators sweeping by the bullet, thoughtful people sat and played chess on boards inlaid with malachite. The marble staircases really fell into the blue Volga. There were ocean steamers on the river. Faced foreigners, chess ladies, Australian fans of the Indian defense, Indians in white turbans climbed the funiculars into the city ..."
      In the USSR, there was a catastrophic lack of housing, clothes (even shoes from "Bolshevichka" and skewed suits were purchased without choice - they grabbed what was, having defended a long queue), but what is there - even the newspaper "Pravda" was bought because there was no toilet paper ... Mars conquerors who have nothing to wipe their asses with - what's it like? All right, ass, but in my city there were still some people who lived in huts, and in the surrounding villages they turned on a diesel generator for two hours a day, and this is in central Russia in the late sixties! Most were unaware that people in the west were richer, but the Internet was on the doorstep, and only an iron curtain modeled on the North Korean would have allowed them to continue to powder their brains.
      Nevertheless, the government understood that "traditional" astronautics was close to exhaustion of possibilities, and therefore work was carried out on ships with nuclear power sources. This was the groundwork for the future. The technologies of that time did not allow to implement the project in full. There were no efficient ion engines, compact reactors, light composites ... Yesterday there was an article about the space electric transport system - so ill-wishers and all-fledged people came across the darkness, vilified Rogozin so that his ears wilted. But Rogozin has nothing to do with this project, it was started when Rogozin was sitting on a pot. And if we implement it, then both Musk and others will remain in the ass and Mars will be ours - and not only Mars.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2020 12: 19 New
    +5
    Astronautics has become ordinary, philistine, without expeditions to other planets. Moscow, abandoning its space mission, gave the United States the opportunity to win in 1991 and prolong the existence of the Western "golden billion".

    The country's leadership of the councils was shrinking, for a long time and thoroughly.
    There was no aspiration upward, but simply on the ground, a creeping hydra to capitalism, turned out to be .... turned out, in short, remained and crawls further!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 17 September 2020 12: 57 New
      -9
      Quote: rocket757
      The leadership of the country of councils was shredded,

      is suspended animation still active? shock yourself or something ... buried the Land of the Soviets long ago ...
      .
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2020 13: 03 New
        +5
        Someone seems to have buried his memory ... it happens.
        Not interesting.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 17 September 2020 13: 03 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Someone seems to have buried his memory ... it happens.
          Not interesting.

          soglashen.kto pogoronil.Stranu Soviets why dragged?
      2. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 17 September 2020 13: 47 New
        +4
        Generally an article about the Soviet Union. You must first read the article, and then comment
  3. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 17 September 2020 12: 35 New
    -3
    Refuse wild spending on entertainment (in fact, decomposition).

    Yeah. Decomposition. Like the goal of a person - to be born, unlearn, get up at the machine and die there?
    For what?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 17 September 2020 12: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      Yeah. Decomposition. Like the goal of a person - to be born, unlearn, get up at the machine and die there?
      For what?

      What do you think is worth living for? For the joys of the womb and phallus?
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 17 September 2020 12: 45 New
        +1
        What do you think is worth living for? For the joys of the womb and phallus?

        And what exactly is wrong with the joys of the womb and phallus?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 18 September 2020 14: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          And what exactly is wrong with the joys of the womb and phallus?
          At least in what labor made a man out of a monkey. And if a person were guided only by instincts: to devour, sleep, multiply - and he would remain a monkey with primitive instincts.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 17 September 2020 12: 42 New
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      “Comrade Stalin sets a great task - to achieve a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, then it will be a great coup. At nine I began work - at 2 o'clock it was already over, without a break.

      I had lunch - and free time. We will bypass capitalism on this one, they cannot do that, give them a profit, and give them the workers - but how can the Russians live well in 5 hours?

      No, give us socialism and Soviet Power too, we also want to live like people. This will be the peaceful offensive of communism. "

      “Communism is possible if the number of communists grows in life, not for fear, not for a bonus, but for conscience - those who are interested in working and living, who know how to work and relax, but not like that, on dances, but with a soul, to develop. "

      “Sport is a must for everyone; if the working day is 5 hours - enough for everything, you will have to study all your life. 10 years have passed - sit down again for a couple of months at the desk, remember history, geography. And if you know - pass the exam and walk for these two months. We don't need ignoramuses, we need communists without exception, but what kind of communist are you if you don't know anything and clutch at your heart at forty? We didn't have time, but you have, come on, develop, dear, Soviet Power gave you, use it and strengthen it yourself. "

      "And so - all over the world"

      From the records of L.P. Beria.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: paul3390
        We will bypass capitalism on this one, they cannot do that, give them profit, and give them the workers - but how can the Russians live well in 5 hours?

        Great ideas, but capitalism could not afford that this would be realized in the USSR.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 17 September 2020 12: 47 New
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      Once a Spartan athlete was offered a huge amount of 30 talents so that he lay down in the final battle at the Olympic Games. He refused and won. Then he was asked irritably:
      - What do you want in victory, Spartan, if you have rejected enormous wealth?
      And he, smiling, answered:
      “Now I will go in the center of the first line of the phalanx, covering my king with a shield. You can not understand..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2020 13: 07 New
        +3
        It is foolish to regret what was lost ... but one must remember that more such losses would not be allowed.
        Let not now, because we are in a creeping floor, but this is NOT FOREVER !!! then the great ideas of the ancestors will only help, and not for regret, as now.
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 17 September 2020 13: 22 New
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        Nowadays, very few people can understand this ..
        Moreover, the nonesh tsar also prefers the bunker over the first line of the phalanx.
        1. iouris
          iouris 17 September 2020 15: 29 New
          0
          Chapaev explained: "Where should the commander be?"
          At present, the political structure consists of "teams", and in the "economy" the project approach to the development of money has won. Therefore, it is appropriate to recall the words of the song (from another era): "We will die if we are destined for Russia, for the tsar and for the faith, although there is already nothing."
    4. archergoo
      archergoo 22 September 2020 10: 18 New
      0
      for the sake of the children to live better, for the sake of a brighter future, for the sake of a clear conscience and the absence of torment about wasted years. At that time, everyone knew that a better world was being built on his work and on the work of millions like him. Unfortunately, the post-war generation is used to living by orders, without criticizing the decisions of the leadership. Today technologies allow building a new system, where the voice of everyone will be heard, and the voice of the scientist will be decisive, bringing to the judgment of the people the conclusions and the probabilities of the analysis / research carried out with its dryness and impartiality.
  4. iouris
    iouris 17 September 2020 12: 36 New
    +1
    Thanks for the answers to the question posed by the author.
    Now a famous anecdote.
    After an unsuccessful battle, Napoleon called the chief of artillery and sharply asked him why the guns had not fired.
    He began to make excuses: “We had several reasons for this. Firstly, the gunpowder has ended ... "
    “Enough!” - interrupted Napoleon ...
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 September 2020 12: 43 New
    +4
    Purely funny!
    Mars energizes me for the whole day. After all, it contains milk, which gives strength, and a filling of selected malt and cream and glucose to relieve fatigue, and a thick thick layer of chocolate. This is why Mars is so nutritious. I always have Mars with me, and I know no matter what changes this day may prepare, I will have enough strength for any trials.
    Mars is class!

    The projects of flights to Mars and Buran-Energia will charge Roskosmos until the death of the head of Rogozin. After all, they contain billions of dollars in appropriations, which make the eyes of “effective managers” and those who managed to retrain from journalists to become “trampolines” of space helmsmen to shine. Selected in the form of taxes Selective filling from budget items to remove arrears, and a thick thick list of reasons hindering the creation of a product. Many billions can be written off under this - that's why Mars is so attractive. I always have at hand either the project for the construction of the Angara rocket, or the project for a flight to the moon, or the rules for using a trampoline, but the main thing is the Mars exploration program. And no matter what rearrangements the current president is preparing for me, I know that I will have the strength to endure all the humiliations without showing any results.
    Mars is class!
    With love, yours Dmitry Olegovich.
    laughing
  6. prodi
    prodi 17 September 2020 12: 44 New
    +2
    the question, of course, is an interesting one: mankind abandoned the arms race and entered Mars. Would life be better?
  7. Last centurion
    Last centurion 17 September 2020 12: 46 New
    +1
    Because, unlike Mars: 1. there is air and water on earth 2. the population density of Siberia is 2 wolves per 1 square kilometer 3. it is easier to build something on water or under water than to go over half the solar system for life in a tin can. 4.because no one wants to live in a tin can, and who wants to start with themselves 5. there is no oil, yachts and girls available. So many arguments not to go to Mars enough?
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 17 September 2020 13: 47 New
      -5
      Enough to recognize you as a traitor
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 September 2020 18: 12 New
      +1
      To fly there, you need to solve many technical and biological problems - until they are solved, a person's flight there will be dangerous. In 10 years, transport ships may begin to fly there to prepare a future base, but so far only robotic stations.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 18 September 2020 10: 10 New
        +1
        To fly there
        One question, why?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 18 September 2020 14: 37 New
          +3
          And why did the navigators conquer the seas and oceans in the Middle Ages? They discovered new lands, risked their lives, died, went missing. Why all this??? We would sit in Europe and drink wine. And in general, why did the monkey come down from the tree and learn to walk on two legs, use a stick and light a fire? I would sit further in the tree and eat bananas.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 18 September 2020 14: 59 New
            +2
            Why did the monkey come down from the tree and learn to walk on two legs, use a stick and light a fire?
            That would not stretch paws from hunger.
            They discovered new lands, risked their lives, died, went missing. Why all this???
            To get rich, to become famous, well, a little idle curiosity.
            And yet, why fly to Mars when you first need to master the Moon. By the way, flying to Mars from the Moon is much easier.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 September 2020 18: 49 New
              0
              On Mars, conditions are much better than those on the Moon, and there is no razor sharp dust for all equipment.
              1. Trapp1st
                Trapp1st 18 September 2020 18: 55 New
                0
                On Mars, conditions are much better than on the Moon.
                For what? Just do not talk about terraforming (especially on a planet without a magnetic field) and colonization, flights to other galaxies and everything else that is not achievable in the next few years.
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 19 September 2020 11: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Trapp1st
              That would not stretch paws from hunger.
              What hunger? There are bananas, there are many of them. The climate in Africa is good.
              Quote: Trapp1st
              To get rich, to become famous, well, a little idle curiosity.
              Hmm, it is felt that some people skipped the story, and they did not read books either. All these expeditions were usually equipped with state money and discoveries were made primarily in the interests of the state. Although, of course, the captains had the opportunity to enrich themselves considerably. The countries were looking for new lands for themselves, opportunities to strengthen their power, the development of trade, control over trade routes and resources. In parallel with this, there was a scientific study of new Lands, nature, peoples, flora and fauna. The future exploration of Mars pursues the same goals, but on a more global scale, taking into account the development of humanity in the 21st century.
              Quote: Trapp1st
              why fly to Mars when you first need to master the moon.
              Share your vision of the situation with Roscosmos, NASA, SpaceX, Blue Origin, as well as the Chinese, Japanese and European space agencies. They will undoubtedly take your opinion, as an eminent space specialist, into account and will be guided only by it in their future activities. lol
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 18 September 2020 22: 17 New
          +1
          One question, why?


          Good question
  8. bar
    bar 17 September 2020 12: 50 New
    +2
    A mission to Mars could have saved Soviet civilization

    ?? what
    After such a loud statement, the desire to read further disappeared. Maybe then somehow ... sad
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 53 New
    -2
    The money was burned in the construction of thousands of guns, tanks and aircraft (which ultimately did not save the USSR) to help "friendly" regimes in Africa and Asia. Astronautics has become ordinary, philistine, without expeditions to other planets.
    As always, a good undertaking was ruined to please the West and the United States, as well as the promotion of "socialism" in Africa and Asia. Everything led to a dead end and the collapse of the Union.
    Thanks to A. Samsonov for the detailed article.
  10. Dizel200
    Dizel200 17 September 2020 12: 54 New
    0
    Yes ... there were people in our time, not like the current tribe laughing I wonder now there are such
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 September 2020 13: 09 New
      0
      Now even the memory of them is trying to erase ... because their achievements are not ah, there is NOTHING to be proud of!
  11. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 17 September 2020 12: 55 New
    +2
    Astronautics has become ordinary, philistine, without expeditions to other planets.
    ... Orbital. It should be noted that the space powers are not going to build the CEC star in orbit.
  12. bairat
    bairat 17 September 2020 12: 57 New
    +2
    "The mission to Mars could have saved the Soviet civilization"
    What stupidity. If this flight had taken place, and even some kind of "elite" had grown up, the peasants, at the expense of whom the USSR loved to save money, would go all over the world to seek alms.
  13. pytar
    pytar 17 September 2020 13: 07 New
    0
    Author's thesis about "the victory of socialism and the USSR over the West" , with eventual successful landing of owls. astronauts on Mars look to put it mildly unfounded ... No. first - it would require colossal resources that would have to be redirected from the already not bottomless budget of the USSR! In this case, the United States undoubtedly had an advantage, since they had much more financial capabilities! The USSR simply could not stand the race in one more direction! Second - landing on Mars, except for the propaganda effect, would not have had any other effect! After all, it was not the landing of the Americans on the moon that led to the defeat of the USSR in WW3! The third - The flight of people to Mars, landing on the surface of the red planet, and now it is a very difficult engineering task! It is doubtful how the Soviet science of the level of the 70s and 80s could cope with it. The risks of failure were too, too great! hi
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 September 2020 13: 29 New
      -2
      And yet the United States could easily overtake. They were preparing the Nova launch vehicle, they had a NRM ready for flight according to the Nerva project, they already had a successful experience of flying to the moon. They had bottomless pockets for the space race to win.
  14. mag nit
    mag nit 17 September 2020 13: 08 New
    +3
    Did Moscow have a space mission? Rave. She has always been a tax collector.
  15. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 17 September 2020 13: 09 New
    +4
    At that technical and scientific level, it was almost impossible. A compact nuclear reactor in 1960 is a year sitting on a volcano without the opportunity to carry out repairs. In our near orbit, emergency situations and failures are above the roof
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 17 September 2020 13: 27 New
      -3
      Then a lot of things were impossible ..))
      I've been reading Chertok "Rockets and People" for so long - it's like that ..
  16. Roman13579
    Roman13579 17 September 2020 13: 10 New
    -5
    Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars


    Because you can't put a pipe there ..
  17. Free wind
    Free wind 17 September 2020 13: 16 New
    +2
    Well, first of all, not Moscow, but rather the USSR. And secondly, they could not make a super-heavy rocket, all launches were unsuccessful, and the last time it launched itself but was extremely unsuccessful. The money poured in huge. Solar panels, hydrogen cells, pocket nuclear reactors were not forbidden to be invented, for this it is not necessary to go to hell. man has nothing to do either on the moon or on Mars. For starters, you can explore satellites, landing modules. I will be proud of our country if people live well. Our country will be respected for our science and technology. And not because we blow up our cheeks, we have the most tanks and s-840/5. But we have one indisputable advantage, we are a northern country, we can explore the sun. It's not hot in the sun in winter, but it's still light, even though the days are short. wassat plagiarism of course, but I like it.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 September 2020 13: 26 New
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Simon Schempp
    Yeah. Decomposition. Like the goal of a person - to be born, unlearn, get up at the machine and die there?
    For what?

    What do you think is worth living for? For the joys of the womb and phallus?

    Everything is like a baboon.
  19. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 17 September 2020 13: 28 New
    +5
    The mission to Mars could have been the salvation of Soviet civilization.

    Would you build socialism on Mars?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 18 September 2020 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The mission to Mars could have been the salvation of Soviet civilization.

      Would you build socialism on Mars?

      Aelita and how it ended there
  20. Per se.
    Per se. 17 September 2020 13: 28 New
    -2
    However, such exciting prospects were dangerous not only for the western elite, but also for the decrepit Soviet nomenklatura.
    In space, the Soviet Union was in the lead, the Americans acted in the role of catch-up, but ... Everything changed from the very moment when the leadership of the USSR, convinced of the US lunar scam, did not make the case public, but, having decided to get political and economic benefits, made a deal with Americans. Thus began the era of detente, in which the "defeated" in space, the USSR received unheard-of concessions and open help from the "winners", and personally Leonid Ilyich and expensive American gifts. Only the space authority of the Soviet Union, the recognition of the "landing" of the Americans on the Moon, saved these Hollywood clowns from world shame, and the United States itself from a possible collapse, over the advantage of socialism in such an important and science-intensive development as space.

    The entire "landing" in the lunar scam is sewn with white threads, continuous inconsistencies and bloopers, for which NASA does not have time to make excuses for which, to come up with new excuses, even now, in the ever-increasing questions and doubts of the public. The scandalous confession of Kubrick, the strange loss of kilograms of allegedly brought lunar soil, the loss of kilometers of photos and film, everything that could be the primary proof. The miracle rocket, Saturn-5, whose "carrying capacity" has not been beaten to this day, turned out to be further unclaimed. F-1 engines, wonderful in power and reliability, have disappeared, without a hitch and a hitch "worked" on the Moon.

    The mere fact that the Yankees unknowingly faked the return of their astronauts so that the brave cowboys did not seem to have returned from space, but from the resort, is already a reason for doubt. This is during "flights" to the Moon with diapers, in rag spacesuits, in an oxygen atmosphere with reduced pressure! Then they had no idea about a long stay in space, in their suborbital jumps, did not know how our cosmonauts feel when they actually return from orbit. The "conquerors" of the Moon did not have the technology of returning cargo to the Earth from space speed 2, they did not practice a soft landing on the Moon and a reverse start. But, they took and "flew", on a powerful rocket that suddenly appeared, which did not pass full tests, with diapers, so much so that it was a whole show of trouble-free missions, only on the unlucky "13". an intrigue arose that made the inhabitants nervous, but, with the same happy ending. And, hurray, capitalism won, represented by the United States. The "defeated" USSR, which actually worked on the Moon with automatic machines (Lunokhod), which took and brought real lunar soil to the Earth, worked out an automatic flyby of the Moon, subsequently curtailed its programs, having held a joint show "Soyuz-Apollo" the apotheosis of detente, in fraternization with a mortal enemy. Then their own professional storytellers-artists appeared, "witnesses" of the conquest of the moon by friends from the USA. All criticism and doubts about the impossibility of the Americans to be on the moon are muffled.

    Nevertheless, the most important thing, in what the "conquerors" of the Moon were pierced, and what our institutes already knew about, the trajectory of the Earth's radiation belts at the equator, declared by NASA, would give a lethal dose of radiation by sievert. In addition, the Yankees "flew" to the Moon during the years of maximum solar activity, which is commensurate with the risk of playing Russian roulette. The brave cowboys "flew" without bothering, judging by the photo "from space", even to wear their rag spacesuits, inside thin capsules, with explosive oxygen.

    Now Mars, where the Americans have ruled their "rovers" for many years, despising the monstrous Martian winds and sandstorms, the time for the passage of signals for the operators who masterfully rule, and either Canadian lizards from Devon Island or traces of alien life come into view. ..
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 September 2020 13: 36 New
    +5
    I don’t think it’s about the fears of the world's elites. Everything is much simpler N-1 has shown itself to be an extremely unreliable product, the attitude to its creation at the state level can only be called mediocre indifference, flavored with money. As a result, an unreliable rocket came out based on a poor compromise of solutions (too many engines), the rocket itself was incredibly expensive - if the N-1 had at least one successful launch at the very beginning, and the story could have gone into a different direction (like not funny) - but building a serious and costly program on such an unreliable product, and even more so getting involved with the development of an analogue, no less costly and time-consuming, for the sake of absolutely fantastic plans, was beyond the patience of the USSR leadership.
    The Americans, however, did not climb to Mars due to the fact that we did not create a competitive "Saturn" carrier - they had no need to invest in such an expensive expedition, they perfectly understood that more pragmatic people came to power in the USSR after Khrushchev, who would keep things in focus earthly - and specifically the arms race and the expansion of social. camp. Those countries for which scientific and technical superiority was really important - and so were already for the most part "in the US basket" and a flight to Mars would not be required to strengthen their prestige among allies.

    In general, objectively, the state of the USSR's economy did not allow treating the Martian project with the same ease with which the more well-fed USA could have treated it. But even for them it would have cost a pretty penny. If we had invested a little less in tanks and "allies", if we had been a little more attentive to the competitive idiocy between Korolyov and Glushko - perhaps all this would have been more likely and there would have been one more big heroic page in the history of our country. It is worth drawing a conclusion from this story about how scrupulously one should treat priority projects for the state and the state of one's own economy.
  22. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 17 September 2020 14: 01 New
    0
    Why? I do not know. But I hope in order to give way to idiots!
  23. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 September 2020 14: 03 New
    +1
    IMHO, correctly refused.
    And the money would have been spent, and would not have flown.
    50 years have passed, and even now no one really expects to go to Mars, there is nothing to do there with modern technologies
  24. Undecim
    Undecim 17 September 2020 14: 09 New
    +7
    Delirium ejections have reached interplanetary space.
    The author, in his Martian impulse, forgets that, among other things, one must fly to Mars.
    From 1960 to 1970, the USSR made eight attempts to reach Mars. We flew only once. Out of eight. Seven vehicles either did not fly in, or disappeared into the vast expanses of space.
    And after 1971, not everything was smooth either.
    If the Soviet Union was the first to be on Mars, then humanity would be able to get out of the dead end of capitalism
    And if not the first? The author somehow forgot about the presence of other countries. In the United States From 1957 to 1965, General Atomics worked on the Orion project, a nuclear-powered pulsed spacecraft for interplanetary flights.
    In 1962, Aeronutronic Ford, General Dynamics and the Lockheed Missiles and Space Company detailed a real manned flight to Mars.
    Von Braun also dealt with this issue. So American astronauts could meet Soviet cosmonauts on Mars. And what about socialism in this case? Who would receive the killing blow?
    In a word, instead of writing a normal article about the history of the issue of a manned flight to Mars, an eruption of fabrications is issued about what is unknown.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 17 September 2020 14: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Undecim
      So, American astronauts could meet Soviet cosmonauts on Mars. And what about socialism in this case?

      Nothing special would have happened. We would have sat in their "houses" (I don’t know what to call - in "residential units"?), Both of them. There was nothing special to do there, by and large.

      As for socialism, then with that, everything is in order.
      A group of "communists, non-party and advanced workers' intelligentsia," limited in a confined space, under the leadership of party members, would be engaged in some kind of necessarily creative scientific and socially useful activity. We would send letters of welcome and telegrams, adopted at the general meeting of the collective, to the leadership of the Communist Party and the Soviet government. Everyone is in sight, everyone is busy, everyone is full, dressed and shod alike, there is no way to leave. In a word, socialism in all its glory.
      We read the story of Mikhail Weller "Mauser Papanin", interpolate and begin to have a good idea of ​​what is happening.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 17 September 2020 14: 37 New
        +4
        We read the story of Mikhail Weller "Mauser Papanin", interpolate and begin to have a good idea of ​​what is happening.
        Great! Very suit. It's time to write "PM Rogozin".
      2. MBRSS
        MBRSS 18 September 2020 04: 06 New
        -3
        We read the story of Mikhail Weller "Mauser Papanin"

        found something to recommend. Weller is an ardent anti-Soviet and nonsense. And "Mauser" is a libel against the communist Papanin and his expedition. Although he writes cool - the only merit of lying stories.
        1. indy424
          indy424 18 September 2020 14: 59 New
          +1
          Weller is an ardent anti-Soviet - you talk like it's bad :)
  25. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 17 September 2020 14: 30 New
    0
    If the Americans were on the moon, they would have built democracy there long ago, at the same time taking out a good half of the minerals)))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 September 2020 18: 16 New
      0
      At the same time, I would have taken out a good half of the minerals))) They were there in the late 60s and early 70s, but for that time it was very difficult and super-expensive measures, since the era of manned astronautics was just beginning - and at the expense of fossils on the Moon, a mining program will begin in 2026 has already.
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 18 September 2020 08: 01 New
        +1
        The window of opportunity for human flights towards the Moon will be open, somewhere until 2035-38, and again for the flight you will need a steep protection from the hard radiation of a star named the sun .. Eating the payload to zero.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 September 2020 18: 51 New
          0
          You somehow look at what this very radiation of cosmic radiation is made of and then write about the cool protection.
        2. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 18 September 2020 21: 33 New
          0
          Not so large doses of radiation can be grabbed when flying to the moon. The main thing is to build a good shelter there. Here it is interesting to show the maximum permissible concentration of radiation doses and the period of their receipt, as well as the approximate thickness of the sheathing of the spacecraft and space suits.
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ec81fa81c6c0b05eff079c2/dozy-izlucheniia-poluchennye-amerikancami-pri-poletah-na-lunu-i-sposoby-zascity-ot-radiacii-5f20616b8e325d3eae26fb8a
  26. Alien From
    Alien From 17 September 2020 14: 48 New
    0
    Because gladioli ......
  27. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 September 2020 15: 17 New
    +5
    According to Russian scientist and historian Andrei Fursov, large-scale space programs of both the USSR and the United States were dangerous for the world elite
    And other hat. There were many things in the world that were dangerous for the world elite. But feeding until the end of the "space industry" in its current form was definitely not included in this list and is not included! You can understand the people that they languish without funding for their Wishlist. But guys ...
    Well you educated type! Let's not cite nonsense like "the project would give unique technologies" as a justification for our thirst for money and benefits. Well, let's say I would. Did you manage to use in the national economy a lot of unique technologies that HAVE ALREADY BEEN developed in the space industry? Hehe ...
    In the Stalinist USSR, many large-scale projects were developed. However, they had something in common. Practically all of these projects strongly moved the national economy forward. And astronautics? And astronautics on chemical rockets is a dead-end and extremely costly game that people need only and exclusively for propaganda. There is no sense in this super-expensive fun and cannot be.
    A "whole layer" of parasites and idlers, letting the people's wealth down the wind on all sorts of stupid experiments, was created in the USSR without any cosmonautics. Another such project, besides the CPSU, would simply hasten the collapse of the USSR as a uniquely poorly managed structure.
    A threat to the world elites ... Even the intelligentsia has forgotten how to invent jokes.
  28. wow
    wow 17 September 2020 17: 42 New
    +1
    "... and apple trees will bloom on Mars ...", I was very small then, but I still remember this song!
  29. DWG1905
    DWG1905 17 September 2020 17: 57 New
    +1
    Then it was, as it is now, not technically feasible. As soon as you leave the protective electromagnetic field of the Earth, you will die from X-rays! Article is nonsense. Any attempt to jump over the stage of lunar exploration will end in failure. Launching from Earth to Mars on a manned spacecraft is nonsense. In the future, this is possible from the orbit of the Earth or the Moon, i.e. the ship must be assembled in orbit. In general, we are still a long way from even manned flights to the Moon, it may be possible to create a circumlunar orbital station. There is nothing to catch without creating new efficient engines.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 September 2020 18: 22 New
      +1
      "In general, we are still a long way from even manned flights to the moon; it may be possible to create a circumlunar orbital station." The Americans have already done this, the Lunar Orbital Station will begin to be built according to the Artemis project until 2026, it will also be used for re-landing on the Moon. But in this regard, Russia has only one project ala 2030 and the UAV UAV of the Roscosmos officials.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 18 September 2020 09: 19 New
        -1
        Americans have done a lot of things with the help of their favorite building tool - a long tongue. So far, all their space achievements are at the level of testing the next version of the space toilet, on which they again spent, not for the first or tenth time, more than $ 20 million. By the way, they themselves are afraid to test their toilet, they brought it to the station, but the astronaut will not be there. They demand a report from our unfortunate ones. But even if they finally succeed in the construction of space, this great achievement will not solve anything. No engine - no astronautics. And there is no engine, because the development of physics has stopped. Dead end.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 September 2020 18: 53 New
          0
          Those who simply don’t have a head - here is all sorts of crap and how much they spent on them as examples. For you, Dragon 2 is already worth it.
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 18 September 2020 22: 23 New
        +1
        The Americans have already done this, the Lunar Orbital Station will begin to be built according to the Artemis project until 2026, it will also be used for re-landing on the Moon.

        I think that by the 30th year the Americans will not have a station near the moon. Well, or there will be a parody of that. Without people.
  30. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 18 September 2020 05: 10 New
    -1
    The second part of the article was written by the great combinator O. Bender laughing
  31. 1536
    1536 18 September 2020 07: 52 New
    -1
    It is good to sprinkle with salt on the wounds from the morning. It invigorates and obliges to continue the treatment until its logical conclusion. Then it will be possible not to forget about any flights into space, no. Just start thinking that it can't be.
  32. Siberian54
    Siberian54 18 September 2020 07: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Jura
    ngas burned in the construction of thousands of guns, tanks and aircraft

    And who told you that the country's modern independence is not built on these thousands?
  33. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 September 2020 08: 53 New
    +1
    Indeed, if you spend billions of Soviet rubles on solving highly specialized problems, such as the survival of the crew of an interplanetary spacecraft during flights lasting several years, or its landing in a specific Martian atmosphere, then, of course, this will solve problems on Earth. At the same time, the source of energy for a ship with a couple of people on board can be arbitrarily expensive, like many other materials. For single launches, when the throw weight is a critical parameter, you can do just laboratory production. And no conventional carbon nanotubes through space can be explored. Because, once again, the space industry won't care about mass producing them. Space gives practical results here and now only when it solves specific problems, and there are thousands of the same satellites for various purposes in space, but the space station on which 3.5 people move science is only one, and that one has been jointly built by the world. And what could be learned about the work of man in space was learned back in the 70-80s. Well, orbiting telescopes, which are being built for 20 years ahead, in the amount of several pieces. They give a lot of interesting data, which, however, will acquire practical value it is not clear when.

    In particular, even then a new carbon-free power industry would have been born - based on hydrogen fuel cells, compact nuclear reactors and solar batteries. It is possible that on other physical principles.


    And hydrogen cells do not require hydrogen production, which requires a lot of energy ?? Nuclear reactors have evolved beautifully and are developing without any space. A nuclear reactor for the population should not be compact; it should be very powerful, cheap and safe. New physical principles are discovered in laboratories, but people seem to see space for billions of light years, and they have not found any sources of energy based on unknown principles.

    And yes, without space and the military, there would be no computers, since only the army could pay for super-expensive computing systems in the early stages of their existence, when all of humanity was perfectly treated by people-computers. But since the 90s, all progress in computer technologies is due first to their widespread introduction (technologies have fallen in price enough for commercial and domestic use, which gave positive feedback, an increase in serial production and an even greater reduction in price), and then somewhere in the 2000s , almost exclusively by computer games. That is, the presence of massive demand for a computer as a means of entertainment.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 18 September 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      And yes, without space and military men, there would be no computers,

      Sweet Soviet naivety! How did you manage to preserve it through all these years ?! Army ... It's not even funny, comrade. Are you really sure that the army provided the development of computers? Oh my God...
      In general, firstly, the funding came from decryption. States are ready to pay huge sums of money to break all kinds of ciphers, and in the shortest possible time, which people decryptors, in principle, are not able to provide.
      And secondly ... Billions of dollars were invested in computers, even those full-fledged ones, by some people who were interested in financial audit programs. Just simply. This funding was dozens of times more funding for the stupid fun - space flights. Millionaires, and even more so billionaires, do not like passion when they are robbed even in trifles. They believe that only they are allowed to steal. And computers allowed them to fulfill their age-old dream - to double-check the work of auditors themselves, albeit partially.
      As for the rest, I completely agree with you.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 18 September 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        States are ready to pay huge sums of money to break all kinds of ciphers, and in the shortest possible time, which people decryptors, in principle, are not able to provide.


        This is the army. And the first computers were created for ballistic calculations. Space flights are primarily ICBMs and satellites, including reconnaissance ones. And a bunch of bricks were laid at the Pentagon after the launch of the first satellite in 1957, precisely because now the issue of delivering a nuclear charge to the United States has moved from the plane of "somehow flying a bomber" into putting a bomb into a rocket and correctly calculating where the cargo will fall. Well, to build rockets in hundreds.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 18 September 2020 09: 48 New
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          No, this is not an army. Army men are only really interested in ciphers in war. And the authorities need to break diplomatic ciphers around the clock. The ratio is approximately 1 to 99 in favor of diplomacy and trade deals. Bronze Venus, the first modern computer, was breaking military codes because there was a war. But I'm sure she broke diplomacy with all her might) There was no question of any ballistics, primarily because ballistic calculations are incomparably simpler than breaking codes. And it's funny to compare ...
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 18 September 2020 10: 11 New
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            In this matter, I do not divide into the army itself and the special services, especially the line between them is thin, the same Turing, building a machine for decoding the Enigma, worked for the military. At the same time, the special services are few in number compared to the army. There are negligible few people who are engaged in cryptanalysis, etc., but there is a need in the army for a huge number of fire control systems. For example, the B-29 airborne gunners had analog ballistic computers. On an airplane built by the thousands. We can recall our Soviet "anti-aircraft artillery fire control device". "Artillery", apparently, because without it the abbreviation would be PUZO, as well as PUAZO. X) The army buys from industry a huge number of samples of military equipment, its development is mathematics in its purest form. The army had a need, and it could pay for it without thinking about profit.

            Accounting calculations were not close here, especially since they are conducted according to rules that were invented specifically so that a person could count on a piece of paper, and in principle there is no solution to a system of 1000 equations, or tabulation of a billion points. Well, business needs profit, preferably quickly.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 18 September 2020 11: 59 New
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              You are confusing fundamentally different things. A lot of people do this) You are confusing the need for some kind of installation, software, some kind of thing, and funding. This is not the USSR, where the need for quite a long time after Stalin was decisive. Why does any office slop cost hundreds of times more than its cost? Because the office hamster sits on the bank of the money river! And they will always draw from there. And specialists, hated by the owners in their utter mystery, have been begging for fifteen hundred years for a controller that is badly needed in their work.
              Diplomatic codes should be stabbed in the interests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the highest authorities. The needs of these guys cover the army like a bull a sheep) And you are not in trend at all. This army exists for money. Not money for the army. If the enemy has not yet grabbed the owner of the money by the throat with a military hand, then the needs of one accountant slightly outweigh the needs of a hundred generals, and even more so it doesn't matter if a million or two soldiers will be killed.
              This is real life, not a communist dream, wake up ...
  34. Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 09: 24 New
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    Stupid article title and stupid article. All and sundry, even the Emirates, send spaceships to Mars. Charlatan Musk announces the imminent colonization of Mars. And Moscow only announces the names of the projects "to Mars" and the dates of launches "to Mars". Nobody is pressuring Moscow to abandon the Martian program. It's just that when the slogans, the deadlines for the Martian expeditions ended and it became clear that Russia was not the "shmogl" Mars, a new idea was born: Venus is the Russian planet. So now all forces are on Venus. Moreover, for Rogozin it is a feasible task))))

  35. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 18 September 2020 14: 27 New
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    Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars

    Because only galoshes were produced in the USSR. This is what our president said. And he will not lie.
  36. Lynx33
    Lynx33 18 September 2020 22: 06 New
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    Prototypes of electric propulsion engines are still being tested and so far they have not gone beyond the limits of mock tests, what kind of use of them on Mars are we talking about ????? Elon Musk recently announced that a flight to Mars is a one-way ticket. Mankind is not ready to fly there purely technically, and Russia is also not financially ready. I mean manned flights.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 20 September 2020 16: 25 New
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      Quote: Lynx33
      Prototypes of electric propulsion engines are still being tested and so far they have not gone beyond the scope of mock tests.


      Electrojet engines (ionic) have long been used in real vehicles.
  37. garik77
    garik77 18 September 2020 22: 08 New
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    Technologically, at the level of the late 50s - early 60s, the Martian ship turned out to be insanely expensive ...
  38. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 19 September 2020 13: 25 New
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    As for the flights of Americans to the moon, watch their movie "Capricorn One" (one should not be typed in a number). The movie is true about Mars, but the hint is obvious.
    drinks
  39. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 20 September 2020 16: 23 New
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    landed on it in 1969 (or skillfully imitated the landing)


    Another believer in the lunar conspiracy has uncovered.
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  42. Pushkar
    Pushkar 21 September 2020 09: 31 New
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    laughing Unscientific fiction.
  43. geologist
    geologist 21 September 2020 09: 44 New
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    The coming years for a flight to Mars are 2035 or 2051. Celestial mechanics must be reckoned with, not just politics. Perhaps by 2035 they will make trucks of 100 tons into orbit, the station will be an assembly shop for a nuclear ship that can reach the planet in 2 months, set off a watch for 2 months and take it back. For the rotational exploration of Mars, it will take a lot of ships to drive there back. Therefore, the real year is 2051, but this task will be solved by the next generations, if they want.
  44. Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 22 September 2020 16: 39 New
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    Renounced Mars and thank God.
    There is nothing to satisfy your empty curiosity at the expense of the people ...
    The program of automatic devices and no more !!!
    If you want to arrange tourist walks on empty Martian stones - this is to the Mask.
  45. indy424
    indy424 24 September 2020 07: 55 New
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    for the most part, the author got to the point. just didn’t write about the New Marsyuki and the intergalactic chess tournament on Soviet Mars
  46. Misha Kvakina
    Misha Kvakina 2 November 2020 18: 32 New
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    The West has plundered ?? !! They robbed their Kremlin lackeys !!!