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Promising special chassis SKKSH-586

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Experienced chassis at the exhibition


One of the most interesting exhibits at the Army-2020 forum was the SKKSH-586 special wheeled chassis developed by the Mytishchi Machine-Building Plant. This sample was developed as a base for various air defense systems and other equipment and should show sufficiently high tactical and technical characteristics. In addition, it has a number of important features, thanks to which it has significant prospects.

From initiative to order


It is reported that MMZ (part of the Kalashnikov concern) has begun the development of the future SKKSH-586 on its own initiative. In the future, the Ministry of Defense became interested in this project, which led to the appearance of an official technical task. The final version of the product will fully meet the requirements of the military.

SKKSH-586 is a wheeled floating platform for the installation of one or another equipment. The chassis is proposed to be used for the construction of various anti-aircraft missile systems of the military air defense, for which high mobility and maneuverability are provided, as well as protection against major threats. The target equipment is proposed to be placed in the designated places inside the body and on the roof.

At Army-2020, the development plant presented a prototype of a promising chassis. The car was demonstrated independently, without any target equipment. At the same time, the seat on the roof was covered with a camouflage net. In addition, a commercial was published showing the chassis with the Tor air defense missile system.

According to the announced plans, in the 1st quarter of 2021, the SKKSH-586 prototype will be released for preliminary tests. Also next year it is planned to start testing the chassis with "payload". As the latter, the combat module and other equipment of the short-range air defense system "Tor" will be used. According to current estimates, testing will take about two years. Already at the beginning of 2023, a promising car can go into series.

Technical solutions


The SKKSH-586 project is based on several important ideas that provide an effective solution to the assigned tasks. The result of this was the emergence of a protected vehicle with an 8x8 wheel arrangement, high carrying capacity and high running characteristics.


View of the stern and port side, the water cannon is visible

As the name of the project suggests, the vehicle is based on the original structural body. The body is made of aluminum alloy and has a rear-engine layout. The front and center compartments are dedicated to the control compartment and target equipment. The hull sheets provide protection of the 4th class according to the domestic standard - from 5,45-mm automatic bullets. The department receives armored glass with the same level of protection. The body is sealed and allows you to swim.

The chassis is equipped with a 650 hp multi-fuel engine. produced by the Tutaevsky Motor Plant. The four-axle chassis gets four-wheel drive. A controlled hydropneumatic suspension with the ability to change the ground clearance is used. Normal ground clearance is 400 mm, the range of variation is from 220 to 520 mm. There are two water-jet propellers in the rear of the hull.

The chassis power systems are designed with ancillary equipment and power consumption in mind. To simplify operation, there is an information and control system that monitors the operation of the units and provides the crew with the necessary data.

The length of the chassis reaches 11,2 m, the width is 3,4 m. The own height of the chassis without a combat module is 2,45 m. The total weight, depending on the configuration, will not exceed 43,2 tons. The carrying capacity is more than 17 tons. with such a mass, an armored vehicle can reach speeds of up to 80 km / h, a cruising range of 800 km. Overcoming of various obstacles and water barriers is provided. Self-recovery winch is provided.

A fundamentally new sample


The presented special chassis is of great interest from a technical and operational point of view, as well as in the context of the further development of military air defense. The stated features and characteristics suggest that the SKKSH-586 has great prospects and can find its place in the Russian army or in foreign armed forces.


The proposed appearance of SKKSH-586 with the "Tor" combat module

First of all, it should be noted that chassis of this class with characteristics of this level are not yet produced in our country. The new development of MMZ turns out to be the first modern example of this kind. The emergence of the SKKSH-586 project opens up new prospects and reduces risks.

At present, the domestic industry cannot meet all the needs of the army for special chassis, which is why it is necessary to purchase foreign equipment. The emergence of a new development from MMZ partially solves this problem and allows in the future to do without some imported samples, as well as to insure the army against known risks.

SKKSH-586 can be a very successful platform for the construction of various types of equipment. Carrying capacity of at least 17 tons allows to carry combat modules and other equipment of all existing short-range and medium-range air defense systems, such as "Tor", "Pantsir" or "Buk". In addition, in terms of target load, the new chassis surpasses the main domestic and foreign samples.

With all this, the SKKSH-586 chassis is distinguished by good mobility. It can be thrown over highways and used on rough terrain with water obstacles. Not all modern models of military air defense have such capabilities. However, due to its large size and mass, the combat vehicle can only be transported by air by An-124 aircraft.

Ways of modernization


Thus, the new body chassis SKKSH-586 from MMZ has a great future and can take an important place in the structure of weapons and equipment of the ground forces. With its help, you can create new highly mobile air defense systems based on serial components. For example, advertising materials for the project demonstrate a modification of the Tor combat vehicle on a new chassis. It is reported about the elaboration of the installation of the Buk air defense missile systems.


SKKSH-586 has a solid reserve of characteristics, which will be useful in the development of promising samples. The issue of creating a new MLRS is being worked out. Also, on a similar chassis, you can create radar and radio technical stations for various purposes, command posts, etc. In fact, it will be useful in all areas where a significant carrying capacity is required with high cross-country ability and anti-bullet protection.

However, some applications remain in question. So, it is unclear whether it is possible to fit into the existing body OTRK or another "heavy" sample with specific layout requirements.

Before testing


However, the use of a new special chassis in real projects is still a matter of the future. To date, MMZ has built only a prototype, which has not yet been put into testing. These activities will start only next year and will continue until 2022-23.

Not earlier than 2023, the development plant is able to organize mass production in the interests of the domestic Ministry of Defense. Probably, by this time, together with the subcontractors, he will also create projects of real air defense systems on a new platform, and the first serial chassis will immediately receive the necessary equipment. It is not known which complex will be the first to go into production. Perhaps the army has not yet decided on such plans.

In general, the SKKSH-568 project is about a promising, interesting and important model for the domestic industry and the army. The success of this project will provide new opportunities of all kinds - from the development of advanced models with improved characteristics to reducing dependence on imports. Unfortunately, negative scenarios cannot be ruled out. But in this case, useful experience will be gained.
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  1. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 17 September 2020 18: 14 New
    -2
    Does this company have sufficient experience in the design and manufacture of heavy wheeled vehicles? and then rivet the layout of the lovers is full, and at the exit there is a zilch under the poster of import substitution
    1. Igor sanych
      Igor sanych 17 September 2020 18: 32 New
      +9
      MMZ previously produced tracked chassis GM-569, GM-568, and in principle, this kind of groundwork should remain at the BAZ in Bryansk
    2. iouris
      iouris 19 September 2020 18: 52 New
      -4
      In the Russian Federation, almost everything should be started from scratch, a lot of experience has been accumulated only in the design of the development of budgets of different levels.
  2. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 18: 37 New
    -12
    Maybe you shouldn't have compiled the moscow, but bought the technical documentation MZKT-6922 from the Republic of Belarus and started a licensed release?

    And then those who want to cut OCD on the invention of the bicycle apparently divorced invisibly ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 September 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Maybe you shouldn't have compiled the moscow, but bought the technical documentation MZKT-6922 from the Republic of Belarus and started a licensed release?

      So they wanted to buy the whole plant - it didn't work out. smile
      1. bayard
        bayard 18 September 2020 01: 29 New
        +2
        Now times are different, maybe the Belarusians will be included in cooperation.
        And the car is interesting - almost all military air defense systems of light and middle class (short and medium range) can be placed on such a system ... and quite serious radars.
        In cooperation with Belarusians, it will turn out much faster, you can even establish a joint holding company, combine assets, finances and scientific potential.
        Lukashenka will go to great lengths now.
        1. user
          user 19 September 2020 10: 09 New
          +6
          Now times are different, maybe the Belarusians will be included in cooperation.


          Yes, there are no other times yet, but if another president appears, then in general everything can change.
          Not tired of stepping on the same rake. All military equipment should be produced and developed on the territory of Russia, and not cooperate with someone else. And it's time to stop feeding all these fraternal peoples, let them try to feed themselves, and not produce any kind of non-profit organization and a lot of vector policy.
          1. bayard
            bayard 19 September 2020 13: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: user
            Yes, there are no other times yet, but if another president appears, then in general everything can change.
            Not tired of stepping on the same rake.

            Conclusions should be drawn from the Ukrainian and Belarusian events.
            And to recreate the United State of the Russian People.
            Quote: user
            All military equipment should be produced and developed on the territory of Russia, and not cooperate with someone else.

            And did "themselves" do a lot?
            With aircraft engines in all the range you need?
            With ship / ship engines - gas turbines and gearboxes for them? ... Yes, even with marine diesel engines ...?
            In the energy sector?
            With military optics?
            Heavy wheelbases for a variety of weapon systems?
            Did you get a lot of your own?
            And what is the QUALITY of this something?
            In order to recreate the entire technical process, repeat technologies and restore the culture of production (everything that is called SCHOOL), it takes years and years of LONG, STEADY WORK.
            Do we have them?
            How many years have been lost for the restoration of competencies in gas turbines, and have not yet been fully restored, have not been put into series. There is no NI-OD-NOY working shipboard power plant of domestic production. Not a single working gearbox on ships.
            Maybe this is just for now ...
            May be ...
            But HOW MANY years have already been lost!
            It's also BAD with aircraft engines.
            There are no domestic engines for the An-124, Be-200, Mi-26M, SSJ-100 ... and the created analogues for other aircraft and helicopters are worse than the original.
            Till .
            But the road is a spoon for dinner, and we are already late.

            In 2014, it was necessary to return to Russia not only Crimea, but ALL Ukraine \ Little Russia. And for this there was everything necessary - the legitimate President Yanukovych, who asked Russia for help in suppressing the fascist rebellion and armed coup, highly mobile armed forces and a large part of the population loyal to Russia.
            And Russia would have EVERYTHING.
            - Marine and aircraft engines.
            - Turbines for nuclear power plants, nuclear icebreakers and power engineering.
            - Nikolaev shipyards for the construction of large ships and vessels.
            - Seaports on the Black and Azov Seas.
            - Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye KB for accelerated work on the "Sarmat" and the continuation of work with the "Cyclone", including at the Sea Launch.
            - Already serially built in Ulyanovsk and at the Kharkov and Kiev nuclear power plants, in Voronezh: An-124 (resumption of production), An-70 (the result of joint development), An-148 and other wonderful products of the Design Bureau named after Antonov.
            - There would be no need to build new bypass pipelines to Europe, we would simply modernize the Ukrainian GTS.
            - We wouldn’t bear the costs of supporting the LPR and would not incur losses from the rupture of cooperation ties, loss of markets and transit routes.

            And this is only with Ukraine, and only the MOST significant and weighty, really - there would be many, many more advantages from reunification.

            And a similar situation with Belarus.
            I will not even paint.

            And NO ONE would have to "feed" anyone - fortunately, these two former republics of the USSR feed themselves and sell their surplus to Russia.
            with the restoration of industrial cooperation, both them and the Russian economy would become SELF-SUFFICIENT and would only enrich each other.
            And without them, Russia is like a disabled person without an arm and a leg - it seems to be alive and swagger, but it is inferior.
            RUSSIA, this is not the Russian Federation!
            RF, this is simply the largest fragment of Russia.
            The shard will never be self-sufficient, no matter how hard you try - there just won't be enough resources.
            The Soviet Union with the Warsaw Pact and the entire World System of Socialism barely had enough.
            Therefore, leave your SEPARATISM (yes, your position is called that) and look at things sensibly.
            You are still too young (judging by your nickname) to talk about who feeds whom. And even more so about what Russia is.
            Russia is ALL OF US.
            This is the largest divided state.
            And the largest divided People in the World.
            And we are in Donbass, we pay for our right to be and remain RUSSIAN with our blood.
            1. Brancodd
              Brancodd 19 September 2020 15: 45 New
              +2
              And Russia would have EVERYTHING.
              - Marine and aircraft engines.
              - Turbines for nuclear power plants, nuclear icebreakers and power engineering.
              - Nikolaev shipyards for the construction of large ships and vessels.
              - Seaports on the Black and Azov Seas.
              - Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye KB for accelerated work on the "Sarmat" and the continuation of work with the "Cyclone", including at the Sea Launch.
              - Already serially built in Ulyanovsk and at the Kharkov and Kiev nuclear power plants, in Voronezh: An-124 (resumption of production), An-70 (the result of joint development), An-148 and other wonderful products of the Design Bureau named after Antonov.
              - There would be no need to build new bypass pipelines to Europe, we would simply modernize the Ukrainian GTS.
              - We wouldn’t bear the costs of supporting the LPR and would not incur losses from the rupture of cooperation ties, loss of markets and transit routes.

              In the fall of 2013, Rogozin brought a proposal for cooperation on almost all of the above topics to negotiations with Azarov. One shipbuilding - for $ 90 billion. In space - $ 40 billion. Deep integration of the aviation industry was proposed. All these proposals by the Azarov / Yanukovych government firm no was said... We (Ukraine) made their civilizational choice and go to Europe... So that's the case. It is now Azarov shedding tears, and then he was cheerful. After the uprising of the reunification of Crimea. We have been actively engaged in public opinion research in Novorossiya. In Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov regions. And only the Zaporozhye region showed the majority with which to work. In the rest, the result was disappointing. The years of Ukrainianness were not in vain. With the use of force, now we would have to deal with a disloyal majority (about 154 million people) with all the ensuing consequences. And the establishment of full control over the Luhansk and Donetsk regions did not happen for another reason. After Izvarino and Ilovaisk, an ultimatum from Merkel followed .. ("if you take Mariupol"). Since pro-German sentiments were still very strong in the Russian elite, the ultimatum turned out to be effective. And only now, after 6 years, the Kremlin sages began to realize that the Ukraine project is primarily a German project,
              not American. And we are dealing with the fourth Reich.
              With regard to the listed economic "problems", then, strangely enough, many have benefited. In place of endless talks about "cooperation", they used the already tested experience of transferring the production of IL76 from Uzbekistan to Ulyanovsk. Long, hard, expensive. But now we manage the process ourselves and are responsible for it ourselves, and do not apologize to China for the disrupted "contract of the century" on the supply of refuelers.
              What has been done is known. Klimov with VK2500 replaced the production of motor sich for helicopters.
              Saturn made the ship's power plant. For all new frigates of the 22 series, there will be a Rybinsk turbine, and not a turbine from dawn mash. project.
              Rosatom has not used the products of Kharkiv Energoatom since 2010. Since the scandal at the nuclear power plant in China. It's not just about turbines, but also boilers. By the way, since 2014, not only Izhora Plants, but also the legendary Atommash have been working on orders for nuclear power plants.
              Roscosmos refused from Hartron's products (control systems) and switched to domestic ones 2 years ago.
              As for Yuzhmash, we definitely don't need it. For Sarmat, the manufacturer was initially selected - Krasnoyarsk KrasMash. Zenith still flew on our engines. And it will be replaced by Union 5. In the first half, Progress promises to send 2023 The Union will take its maiden flight. Considering the role that is assigned to the Union of 5 Yu, I believe that it was definitely impossible to depend on Ukraine here.
              Yes, there are problems with the ports, given that the load on Novorossiysk has grown a lot. But the same situation was in the Baltic. We made Ust Luga, Primorsk. We will also make "Port Taman" on the Black Sea, modernize the Crimean ports.
              All these costs, including temporary ones, are a consequence of our defeat in the war that we lost in 1989-1991. You have to pay. It is hard to part with illusions about unity, and chimeras about the "brotherly" Ukrainian people and the chimera "about pragmatism and readiness for cooperation in Germany." But it's not worth throwing tantrums either. We work ...
              1. bayard
                bayard 19 September 2020 19: 22 New
                +1
                It’s good that you’re working, but you yourself admitted that in 2014 they shouldn’t have listened to Merkel. After the coup and flight from the country, Yanukovych would agree to any conditions, including integration into Russia. And this should have been done.
                Then there would not have been a failure of the frigate building program - the series would have already been completed, and not two, but at least four frigates would have been in service.
                And "Ruslans" would not have stood without motors.
                And the Be-200.
                And they would not suffer with the Il-112, but for a long time they have been serially building the An-140 and An-148.
                The An-70 would be built already.
                And work on the Il76MD90A would go much more fun.
                And they would not postpone the deadlines for nuclear icebreakers ...

                And I don't know what kind of monitoring was carried out about the mood in the regions after the coup, but I know that the Ukrainian army would not have offered any resistance to the Russian troops. That's for sure . And then the Maidan scum that had crawled out into the light of day would have been transferred by their own forces - by the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, special services (by no means all turned out to be traitors there) and caring citizens.
                The fact that the uprisings took place only in Donetsk and Lugansk regions does not at all indicate the mood in other regions - we ourselves discouraged our comrades from abstaining, because we would not have had time to help. And in order for the Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs to go over to the side of the people, it was necessary to show them the legitimate power (Yanyk then fled) ...
                If the unity of the Russian People was restored then, it is even difficult to imagine what kind of power we would represent today - both economic and military ... and as a single internal market - a necessary condition for autarky.
                But for this, WILL was needed.
                And not the Germanophilism of the leaders.
                And with monitoring, you were ... cheated. request
                The troops would have greeted them with flowers.
                And in the Ukrainian army then there were moods to go to serve in the Russian Federation. It was "zapadlo" for us to surrender to them, they themselves said - "if Russia came in - without hesitation and with joy.
                But this had to be done in the spring. The edge is at the beginning of summer. Then everything would go like clockwork.
                I know and remember too well the mood of that time.
                You have been deceived by your monitors.

                You just count the total amount incurred due to a wrong decision, losses - both material and geopolitical, and financial, and moral ... At least estimate ...
                Now imagine that starting in the spring-summer of 2014, these issues would not have been raised, but all the previous problems in the coordination of joint projects ... would have disappeared ALWAYS.
                For from that moment, ALL projects would be ... joint. .. All the then unused potential of Ukraine would work for the common Russian state.
                And questions about feeding ... In a single economic space and within a single state, all prices (including those for energy resources) would be domestic prices, so there would be no question of any "subsidies". But all export duties, excise taxes and unnecessary bureaucracy would disappear.
                In Ukraine, before the coup, the standard of living was on average the same as in Russia - average wages and income were two times lower, but prices were also 1,5 - 2 times lower. So no one would have suffered during the unification and guest workers would not have rushed in a wave.
                These are all missed opportunities.
                Putin and the leadership of the Russian Federation in general showed weakness and indecision, but most importantly, they were NON-VISIBLE.
                How much Russia has lost over these 6,5 years ... it was possible to rebuild the country with that kind of money ...
                Road spoon for dinner.
                Now it looks like we will have to fight.
                With the West.
                For what is happening in the EU can only be called a pre-war pumping.
                And in what has the Russian Federation succeeded during this time?
                Upgraded 72 T-XNUMXs?
                Have you built a couple of hundred fighters (without AWACS and tankers)?
                Then, if the leadership had taken the RIGHT decision, now the Russian Army would be at least one third stronger (and with Belarus - one and a half times) ... and instead, the army of the state U will be one of the main opponents of Russia, and the army groupings of the Russian Federation are linked on its borders ...
                Once again - the road is a spoon for dinner.
                And not in the distant "bright perspective".
                The Russian Federation today found itself in the position of RI on the eve of the Russo-Japanese War, when neither the fleet has yet been built, nor the Circum-Baikal Mainline for the transfer of troops and equipment ... and the war is already under the door ...
                All this COULD NOT BE.
                Russia would be a truly Mighty State, with a full-fledged, balanced Army and, in principle, not a weak Navy.
                ... Maybe now at least through Belarus it will reach ...
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 23 September 2020 17: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  ... Maybe now at least through Belarus it will reach ...

                  I agree with you completely.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 19 September 2020 21: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: bayard
          Now times are different, maybe the Belarusians will be included in cooperation.

          What kind of cooperation? The old man said that the Russians have neither the mind nor the money to make a wheelbase for tractors and military equipment ...
          1. Brancodd
            Brancodd 19 September 2020 22: 57 New
            0
            The old man said that the Russians have neither the mind nor the money to make a wheelbase for tractors and military equipment ...

            Yes it's true. Luca said exactly that. Almost literally. And the maintenance of the "union social state" has cost us about $ 150 billion over 20 years. There were years when we subsidized both directly and indirectly Belarus for $ 10 billion. annual subsidies approximately exceed transfers to all regions of the Russian Federation. What do you think, if at least 1% of this amount were given to the Bryansk BAZ, would Lukashenka have an instrument of pressure?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 19 September 2020 23: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Brancodd
              What do you think, if at least 1% of this amount would give Bryansk BAZ, would Lukashenka have an instrument of pressure?

              Here you are right, there is nothing to say, if you still remember the ditched KZKT ...
              But it seems that the Party and the Government are now investing in BAZ, with a delay of course ...
          2. bayard
            bayard 20 September 2020 11: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Lara Croft
            What kind of cooperation? The old man said that the Russians have neither the mind nor the money to make a wheelbase for tractors and military equipment ...

            This character said a lot, especially on the eve of the election. But Luka is not an integral part of Belarus. Tomorrow it will not be - it will simply go under guarantees like Yeltsin.
            And what should we do next with such moods as you do?
            Continue to squander Russian lands?
            Little Russia has already been lost - a new generation has been raised there for 6,5 years - in the "war with Russia."
            And will we give up White Russia to the enemy as well?
            At their first request?
            And then other Russian regions, especially if they are subsidized?

            Now about the wheelbase.
            If you remove Luke's offensive phrases, then he told the truth - they could not. Although it has long been efforts and efforts, but ... "stone flower" does not come out. And what we have just been shown is a prototype. Nice and interesting, but it still has to be tested and developed for several years at best. Waste money, time, human resources and WAIT.
            And all this just to prove to Luka that - "mogYom"?
            Now there are accelerated processes of unification, about a truly United State. Therefore, joining efforts and ASSETS into a single holding will benefit everyone.
            Do not forget that earlier there was a talk about the PURCHASE of a Belarusian state enterprise by "Russian" capitalists. Moreover, the purchase for a price cheaper than Lukashenka agreed.
            They twisted his arms, but he stood his ground and supplied wheelbases and technologies to China and North Korea.
            Now we are talking about something else.
            In the very foreseeable future, we will live in ONE state with the Belarusians. According to uniform laws and regulations. And everything that Lukashenka SAVED and BUILT will work for the common state interest.
            There will no longer be a question of any subsidies - duties, allowances and "bonuses" to the bourgeoisie will disappear. All prices within the Single State will be DOMESTIC. There will be nothing to speculate with.
            And if we lock ourselves in our own separatism, then soon Siberia, the Far East, and the Urals will fall off along with Kaliningrad ... also go "subsidized" ...
            And together with the Belarusians, it will be faster, cheaper, better quality to bring this car. Such machines are needed.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 20 September 2020 12: 11 New
              -1
              Quote: bayard
              This character said a lot, especially on the eve of the election. But Luka, this is not an integral part of Belarus .

              This is a problem or an achievement of the Republic of Belarus, the Belarusian people chose it, tea knows what it was doing ...
              Tomorrow it will not be - it will simply go under guarantees like Yeltsin.

              His right. He can leave and watch from the side as BNE, not answering for anything ...
              And what should we do next with such moods as you do?

              What kind of moods, write specifically ...
              Continue to squander Russian lands?

              I personally have not squandered an inch of Russian land ...
              They began to squander it even under the Tsars, then continued under the Bolsheviks ...
              Little Russia is already lost - there over 6,5 years a new generation is already being raised - in the "war with Russia".

              We woke up. When the Russian lands under the Tsars and the Bolsheviks, together with the Russian population, for some reason they did not ask for the opinion of this very population ... neither under the Tsars, nor under the Bolsheviks, no one asked, no one paid attention to the opinion of the Russian people ...
              Over the centuries, many of them have ceased to feel like a part of Russia and their connection with it as with their Motherland (with the exception of Crimea, where, after the collapse of the Union, they always tried to get back autonomy and return to the Russian Federation) ...
              With the collapse of the Union, the entire Russian-speaking population, the constituent majority of the Baltic States and Ukraine, voted for independence from the Russian Federation, and then began to resent that their rights were being infringed ...
              Now the descendants of those Russians who were transferred along with their lands are fighting against the same Russians in the Donbass, they are fighting fiercely, sparing neither themselves nor their splemenniki ... Ukraine is "khatoskrainiki", after the collapse of the Union Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia could be saved from interethnic conflicts only by the Finnish foreign policy and foreign economic development path, i.e. outside the bloc status and normal partnership with the EU and the Russian Federation. (CIS) ...
              And will we give up White Russia to the enemy as well?
              At their first request?
              And then other Russian regions, especially if they are subsidized?

              You probably slept for about 1/4 of a century, the Republic of Belarus is an independent state, if it wants to join the EU and NATO, then it will be there, and you won't do anything about it ...
              Previously, you had to think when the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR were created ...
              And what does the other subsidized regions of the Russian Federation have to do with it, and since when did Belarus become a part of the region of the Russian Federation?
              In the regions there are no normal leaders (with rare exceptions), and the governors (even those who were born in this region) do not care about their fellow countrymen, their countrymen are offended, they go to live and work in other regions for a place in order to demand changes for the better (as in Khabarovsk) ....
              Each region should develop its own program of economic development, which together should fit into the general development plan of the Russian Federation and federal districts ...
              I am not an economist, so I cannot offer any models, but there are examples of successful development of a region after a strong leader came to power in the Russian Federation ...
              It may be necessary to enlarge the weak and strong constituent entities of the Russian Federation by merging and reduce their number, more about this Yu.V. Andropov thought ...
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 20 September 2020 12: 34 New
              0
              Quote: bayard
              we have just been shown - this is a prototype. Nice and interesting, but it still has to be tested and developed for several years at best. Waste money, time, human resources and WAIT.

              Well, so we need to start where, the question is why they did not start earlier, everything is like with Ukrainian gas turbine engines ...
              And the products of the MZKT are not completely manufactured in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, they contain both components and from the Russian Federation ...
              Work is underway at both BAZ and KAMAZ, don't worry, the Russian Federation has a strong engineering school and eternal dependence on MZKT will become a thing of the past (like MZKT itself, however) ...
              Many air defense systems, radars and other wheeled vehicles are already being transplanted to BAZ products ...
              It could not have been otherwise, as you said yourself
              Tomorrow it will not be - it will simply go under guarantees like Yeltsin.

              And all this just to prove to Luka that - "mogYom"?

              God forbid, there are orders for the Russian military equipment from other countries, why should the Russian Federation depend on the MZKT in this matter, and the Russian Federation also needs to rearm its armed forces ...
              Now there are accelerated processes of unification, about a truly United State.

              I do not see confirmation of this, while the Russian Federation rescues the "skin" of the Old Man ...
              Therefore, joining efforts and ASSETS into a single holding will benefit everyone.

              This was relevant 10 years ago, now the Russian Federation has invested enough in the development of its prototypes MZKT ...
              Do not forget that earlier there was a talk about the PURCHASE of a Belarusian state enterprise by "Russian" capitalists. Moreover, the purchase for a price cheaper than Lukashenka agreed.
              They twisted his arms, but he stood his ground and supplied wheelbases and technologies to China and North Korea.

              Well, probably after the purchase of the MZKT, its modernization was anticipated, but the information is possible about the underestimation by the Russians of the MZKT, is there an assessment of the MZKT by an independent audit company?
              In the very foreseeable future, we will live in ONE state with the Belarusians. According to uniform laws and regulations. And everything that Lukashenka SAVED and BUILT will work for the common state interest.

              Are you by any chance a communist who promised us a bright future until the end of the 20th century ...?
              We will not talk about any subsidies any more - duties, allowances and "bonuses" to the bourgeoisie will disappear.

              The question of whether you are a communist or not is no longer a question ...
              And together with the Belarusians, it will be faster, cheaper, better quality to bring this car. Such machines are needed.

              Those. For the sake of the MZKT, you are ready to unite with the Republic of Belarus, whether the price for the MZKT is expensive, and judging by the protesters in the Republic of Belarus, they do not want in the Russian Federation ...
              The citizens of the Republic of Belarus are tired of waiting for a full-fledged Union State of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation to work, they are tired of Batka and want to try themselves in the EUU ...
              1. bayard
                bayard 21 September 2020 00: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Lara Croft
                You are not a communist by any chance

                No, not a communist, and even left the Komsomol early in his time, but I have great respect for the economic policy of Comrade Stalin. It was the adherence to this policy that showed the world the "economic miracle of China." When state ownership of the means of production of strategic importance was in the hands of the state, as well as strategic planning of economic development, it was combined with collective ownership (cooperatives, of which there were a great many) and personal initiative of citizens.
                The economic situation, when some Deripaska transfers his assets to the Americans, and the whole industry in our country falls into the hands of the enemy, I am absolutely not satisfied.
                ... But it suits the authorities.
                Therefore, I consider it inappropriate to argue about "how we can better equip Russia". Moreover, you agree (or sincerely believe that):
                Quote: Lara Croft
                The citizens of the Republic of Belarus are tired of waiting for a full-fledged Union State of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation to work, they are tired of Batka and want to try themselves in the EUU ...

                This is called the "hut on the edge" position and banal separatism. For the Russian Federation is only a PART of historical Russia. And I never gave my Soviet passport to anyone.
                ... it was seized from me during the arrest of the SBU in 2014.
                Therefore, now I am in Donetsk.
                Already the seventh year.
                And to be honest, I'm not sure that in such conditions Crimea could have held the front for so long ... although many of us were there during the Crimean Spring ... But the Kremlin NEEDED Crimea.
                And the rest he ... didn't care.
                Deeds speak about this, not loud and indistinct statements in the past.
    2. stalki
      stalki 17 September 2020 18: 47 New
      +9
      There are suspicions that ours already have all the documentation, or get it if they want, that's not the point. There is no production base, almost from scratch you have to work out.
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 17 September 2020 20: 26 New
        -14
        Who are ours? Yours are ours and mine are different ours. Yours are ours in Petah-Tykva and Haifa, mine are in Ivanovo and Krasnodar, what are you talking about now?
        1. stalki
          stalki 17 September 2020 21: 19 New
          14
          Yours are ours and mine are different ours, yours are ours in Petah-Pumpkin and Haifa, mine are in Ivanovo and Krasnodar, oh
          You poke it somewhere in your kitchen. You can immediately see "very well-mannered" hi
    3. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 17 September 2020 18: 50 New
      0
      maybe it still makes sense (?)
      developers of the Tor air defense system, hide the missiles in the SKKSH-586 hull, and also make a retractable radar.
      It will turn out into a circular armored air defense system from small arms and shrapnel, as an option, you can also add KOEP Shtora and KAZ Afghanit or Arena-M to counter ATGMs
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 17 September 2020 20: 19 New
        +2
        here the shell and its analogues need it, but the torus does not, the torus, according to the conditions of use, is either far from the DRG or has protection / protection / cover and can catch it either during the march or when breaking through fortifications when the voiced means of protection are already useless.
        1. Grits
          Grits 18 September 2020 12: 21 New
          0
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          here the shell and its analogs need this, but the torus does not, the torus, according to the conditions of use, is either far from the DRG or has protection / protection / cover and can catch it either during a march or when breaking through fortifications when the voiced means of protection are already useless

          Quite the opposite - Thor moves in battle formations, covering the columns on the march. But the shell is the protection of objects. For example S-300, S-400 from the Kyrgyz Republic.
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 17 September 2020 20: 28 New
        -8
        Absolutely correct proposal. But a bunch of degenerates in the military-industrial complex do not bother with this, they shove a single USSR development module both on ships and on a wheeled chassis, without changes ...
    4. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 18 September 2020 10: 00 New
      +5
      The Belarusians have a good chassis, yes, but maybe that's no worse.
  3. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 17 September 2020 18: 42 New
    +8
    Looks nothing ... A good addition to the (8x8) KAMAZ-6560 and BAZ-6909, - its closer to the "body".
  4. letter-to-vovan
    letter-to-vovan 17 September 2020 18: 46 New
    +8
    Prayed. and HOW will you STE be transported by railway to the place of service ??
    after all, the width is 3,4 m. and the railway takes up to 3,1.
    because even tanks are no more than 3,1 m in size for this very reason
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 17 September 2020 18: 54 New
      +5
      HOW will you STE transport by railway to the place of service ??

      And who cares now, the main thing is to use the money allocated for the development of "new samples", and the fact that what they have created is not needed by anyone, it is from a completely different opera. Yes, moreover, the railway still took a width dimension of 3300 mm. But they could demand to remove the side screens from the tanks, then the car turned out already.
    2. venik
      venik 17 September 2020 20: 15 New
      14
      Quote: letter-to-vovan
      Prayed. and HOW will you STE be transported by railway to the place of service ?? after all, the width is 3,4 m. and the railway takes up to 3,1.

      =======
      HOW are "Torahs" transported? GM-322 has a width of 3,3 meters!
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 17 September 2020 22: 15 New
        11
        Quote: venik
        Quote: letter-to-vovan
        Prayed. and HOW will you STE be transported by railway to the place of service ?? after all, the width is 3,4 m. and the railway takes up to 3,1.

        =======
        HOW are "Torahs" transported? GM-322 has a width of 3,3 meters!

        How we transport, how we transport - we give a telegram for the transportation of oversized cargo, along the route we check the overall dimensions, write memoranda, report and transport! Nothing complicated.
        1. venik
          venik 18 September 2020 23: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: ioan-e
          How we transport, how we transport - we give a telegram

          =========
          Neither add nor subtract!
          So it was done "from time immemorial"! And here some - "hysteria" (Sorry! wink ): More than 3.1 meters ......., more than 3.1 meters! Yes, it WILL BE - and 4.5 meters will be transported! Here - the main thing - HOW to "approach the question" !!! wassat
          Yes if - "from the right side".... Yes, and with"weighty arguments"..... ( bully ) ...... So - EVERYTHING IS NECESSARY and will be transported! At least four atomic bombs on one platform!
          The ensign said: "To ship! "It means;"SHIP!!! " laughing
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 18 September 2020 00: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: letter-to-vovan
      and HOW will you STE be transported by railway to the place of service ??
      after all, the width is 3,4 m. and the railway takes up to 3,1.

      Or is it possible that the width of 3,4 m is with bulging mirrors?
    4. Alexey K
      Alexey K 21 September 2020 13: 21 New
      0
      And where did the figure of 3.1 meters come from? For gauge 1520 (on railway transport), the dimension is 3750 mm (width) × 5300 mm (height). And about tanks, the same T-72 has a width of 3460mm (along the side screens) and 3370mm (along the tracks).
      1. letter-to-vovan
        letter-to-vovan 22 September 2020 16: 01 New
        +1
        open platform width 3,1. (and any other car, except for specialized container carriers - those have 2,5)
  5. Sergey39
    Sergey39 17 September 2020 18: 50 New
    +2
    Concern Kalashnikov has finally turned into a business project.
  6. garri-lin
    garri-lin 17 September 2020 18: 57 New
    0
    A bit high. With weapon. It is not clear why.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 17 September 2020 19: 44 New
    +5
    Could the exhibition sample be made normally or cleaned at least?
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 September 2020 12: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Could the exhibition sample be made normally or cleaned at least?

      Galaz was cut too
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2020 20: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Ryaruav
    Does this company have sufficient experience in the design and manufacture of heavy wheeled vehicles? and then rivet the layout of the lovers is full, and at the exit there is a zilch under the poster of import substitution

    Doesn't have. From the word - in general. sad
  9. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2020 20: 16 New
    +6
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Maybe you shouldn't have compiled the moscow, but bought the technical documentation MZKT-6922 from the Republic of Belarus and started a licensed release?

    And then those who want to cut OCD on the invention of the bicycle apparently divorced invisibly ...

    Unfortunately this chassis is not floating. sad
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 21: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      Unfortunately this chassis is not floating.

      Why should a divisional air defense system swim?
      1. user
        user 19 September 2020 10: 18 New
        +1
        [quoteArgument why should the divisional air defense system swim?] [/ quote]

        We do not have all of Russia in the European part, the farther from Moscow the fewer bridges, and if you take Siberia and the Far East, especially the northern regions, then this is still a problem.

        Well, this is if you still decide to defend these territories.
    2. Grits
      Grits 18 September 2020 12: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      Unfortunately this chassis is not floating

      Earlier I was impressed by this Belarusian unit. Probably because I didn't have my own. But looking at our new device, I come to the conclusion that it is more interesting. Floating, in contrast to the Belarusian - 6 driving wheels. Accordingly, the permeability is higher. Bulletproof protection is available. And he looks like something more brutal, more military
      1. letter-to-vovan
        letter-to-vovan 18 September 2020 12: 49 New
        +3
        at MZKT there is also an 8-wheel all-wheel drive from the same family.https: //www.volatdefence.com/katalog/semejstvo-6922/MZKT-692250/
    3. krillon
      krillon 18 September 2020 15: 20 New
      +1
      With such a ground clearance, only move along the crossed path.
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    The body is sealed and allows you to swim. The chassis is equipped with a 650 hp multi-fuel engine. produced by the Tutaevsky Motor Plant. The four-axle chassis gets four-wheel drive. A controlled hydropneumatic suspension with the ability to change the ground clearance is used. Normal ground clearance is 400 mm, the range of variation is from 220 to 520 mm. There are two water-jet propellers in the rear of the hull.
    .
    With this bow configuration, this pepelats will be buried in a wave along the roof. sad
  11. Elturisto
    Elturisto 17 September 2020 20: 24 New
    -7
    The stupidity of the developers has reached unprecedented heights. Why ... bl ... why install a rotating missile launcher module on a wheeled chassis? What prevents it from being integrated into the hull, leaving only the radar unit to rotate. chassis, then on the wheel it looks stupid ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 September 2020 09: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: ElTuristo
      If the indicated solution - a single launching module + radar was justified on a tracked chassis, then on a wheeled chassis it looks stupid ...

      the problem is that then the "diamond" will have to redo the entire layout of the complex (to do as you described), and so they hung up the standard module with the MZKT-6922 and voila ...
      1. Passing
        Passing 19 September 2020 09: 35 New
        0
        To recompose not from scratch, it is decided in a couple of years, the question is why. And why is there something very important. First, an increase in the ammunition load, we add two more rows of launching cassettes, and we get not eight, but sixteen missiles. That is, if there are four missiles in a cassette, or maybe five or six, consider how huge the ammunition load can be. Given the sad experience of the Shells in Syria, which were destroyed with impunity after using up their ammunition, the task is vital. Secondly, we reduce the transport dimensions, and it becomes possible to transport them on IL-76.
  12. 123456789
    123456789 17 September 2020 20: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: APASUS
    Could the exhibition sample be made normally or cleaned at least?

    The body is made of aluminum alloy soldier
  13. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 17 September 2020 21: 54 New
    -5
    A pebble in Lukashka's garden means that soon we will stop feeding our little younger brothers! Let's prepare for Belarusian import substitution better than for Ukrainian one.
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2020 22: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: Radikal
    Unfortunately this chassis is not floating.

    Why should a divisional air defense system swim?

    The question is at the wrong address - send it to the customer. lol
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  15. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 18 September 2020 00: 06 New
    +3
    But the dirt from the rear wheel will get on the jet engine, then they are not afraid of problems with cleaning? - or ordered to clean and that's it ...
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 18 September 2020 01: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: cat Rusich
      But the dirt from the rear wheel will fall on the jet engine,

      At first, the BTR-90 had water cannons, then they were changed to those taken out.

      The jet is more difficult to clean, especially dirt in winter. Everything is outside, it's easier to clean.
  16. Free wind
    Free wind 18 September 2020 05: 20 New
    +5
    Aluminum body, piece production, the price will be prohibitive. in civilian life it is not necessary at all, it seems to me that swimming is not necessary. I didn't deal with aluminum welding, but what I saw, the seams are much more accurate, here, judging by the seams, ordinary sheet steel 5 mm thick, and the electrodes are the cheapest used. MMZ remembered dump bodies for Zily produced and installed. The machine was called MMZ-555, I don't remember the numbers at all.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 18 September 2020 10: 04 New
      +2
      Hmm, the trouble is now with the quality of welding. Guest workers can't do better.
  17. Rzzz
    Rzzz 18 September 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    And this pepelats is included in the railway gauge? I found that the maximum width for transportation by rail is 3.15 m. Correct me, knowledgeable people.
    1. Nikita Dmitriev
      Nikita Dmitriev 19 September 2020 14: 49 New
      0
      Main dimension 3250mm
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 September 2020 15: 02 New
    0
    If greater integration with Belarus is coming, then MZKT will not disappear
  19. letter-to-vovan
    letter-to-vovan 22 September 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Lara Croft
    This is a problem or an achievement of the Republic of Belarus, the Belarusian people chose it, tea knows what it did (s) ..

    fuck who chose him. he himself was elected. 20 minutes after the closure of the polling stations, the faithful Lydia Mikhailovna gave an election result of 80%. That is why the people go to protest actions. I would draw myself at least 54% would not have booted, because Tikhanovskaya is objectively weak. I put the banker in prison for nothing, and the second stupidly cut off the voices, because there was nothing to even get to know
    I am from Minsk.
  20. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 23 October 2020 18: 14 New
    0
    But where did the Thor air defense missile system shown at the Army-2019 forum on the BAZ wheeled chassis go?

    BM 9A331M SAM 9K331M Tor-M2 on a wheeled chassis BAZ 8x8