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Pictures of the T-90 tank appeared on the network after the ATGM hit during the exercises near Astrakhan

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Images from one of the polygons in the Astrakhan region appeared on the network, where maneuvers with the use of tanks... In particular, we are talking about the use of T-90A tanks.


According to some reports, anti-tank missile systems were used during the military exercises, including the Konkurs ATGM with the 9M113M ATGM.

On social networks, it is reported that during the exercise, the Konkurs ATGM missile hit a tank involved in the exercise. The photo shows that the combat vehicle was seriously damaged, while there was no armor penetration, but there was obvious damage to the hinged elements of the tank's protection.

Some photos were published on the War News Today page on the VKontakte social network.

Pictures of the T-90 tank appeared on the network after the ATGM hit during the exercises near Astrakhan


In such a situation, when the ATGM "found" a tank as a target, the Shtora KOEP (optical-electronic countermeasures complex) could be triggered.

The network notes that the lateral projection of the tank could have been saved from penetration by a spare parts box. This statement is being actively discussed on the network - on the subject of whether this element is really capable of saving the tank's armor.

At the moment, there are no details of the case at the military training ground near Astrakhan, as there is no data on when exactly this happened.
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  2. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 16 September 2020 17: 19
    20
    It remains to be understood that they were deliberately fired upon or the bunglers screwed up.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 16 September 2020 17: 25
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      Who will fire at a relatively serviceable tank?
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 September 2020 17: 33
        31
        Exactly, exactly, and the machine gun would definitely be removed, I would definitely take it off.
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 16 September 2020 18: 57
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        Quote: alexmach
        Who will fire at a relatively serviceable tank?

        In 1987, during the night firing at the range in the Uruchya region, the T-72, where I happened to perform the exercise, was fired upon twice in the course of one exercise in the rear projection. For the first time from the PCT, the second time from the insert, i.e. as if from a tool. It happened, as often happens in such cases, through the fault of driver mechanics. One pulled ahead too much, and the other, on the contrary, fell behind during the exercise. So the operator-gunner of the latter saw in the night sight a flashlight with the tail number of the advancing vehicle directed backwards and fired without the command of the tank commander. Of course, from the tower there was an expressive command to cease fire and even stop. The mechanic of the lagging tank fulfilled the command, but the mechanic of the leading one did not. The gunners worked the other way around. Your humble servant heard the command and executed it immediately. The gunner of the lagging machine continued firing at the "target" visible through the sight from the insert.
        Nothing like this happened before or later in my presence, however, a lieutenant in the age of 40 served in the battalion. As we later learned, his subordinates long before us got into a similar situation. But with only one exception leading to tragedy. The gunner of the leading tank's gun either closed the hatch loosely, or did not close it at all. As a result, as the soldier's rumor said, a bullet from the PKT hit the slightly open hatch behind and ricocheted exactly to the place where the unfortunate gunner was. Whether this case was true or just a bike - it was not possible to find out for certain. But the aged lieutenant, as it were, constantly reminded by his appearance that instructions were written in the blood of those who did not follow them.
        1. Vladimirsky
          Vladimirsky 16 September 2020 21: 16
          14
          Why, there was nothing in army life ... - only in 1991, in the village of Desna (OTC KVO), when conducting firing, during the mobilization of a partisan tank regiment, they killed 2 (three) T-3s in 64 days - all due to barrel damage. Two months later, there was another case: a "stray" inert tank shell at the end "landed" on the side and got stuck in the engine of an infantry fighting vehicle, which was standing in a marching column at the range. miraculously no one was hurt ...
          1. mishaia_23
            mishaia_23 17 September 2020 00: 31
            -63 qualifying.
            In live-fire exercises, the loss of 5% of personnel is considered acceptable lol
            1. Gray-haired
              Gray-haired 17 September 2020 00: 45
              32
              You would be 5% so that the tongue does not dangle like a dog's tail. Four exercises in a year-20% of the personnel like a cow licked its tongue. And to the wars!
              1. _M_
                _M_ 17 September 2020 01: 53
                +2
                Where do such teachings take place?
                1. Private-K
                  Private-K 17 September 2020 08: 02
                  19
                  Quote: _M_
                  Where do such teachings take place?

                  In Warhammer 40000. Everything is very harsh there.
                  1. _M_
                    _M_ 4 November 2020 14: 52
                    0
                    Checkmate against the sofa good
            2. svp67
              svp67 17 September 2020 10: 52
              15
              Quote: mishaia_23
              In live-fire exercises, the loss of 5% of personnel is considered acceptable

              Nonsense ... the wildest, for every dead you have to answer in CRIMINAL ORDER and that's right
          2. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 17 September 2020 00: 49
            32
            Targets are illuminated at night with a red light. To plant a blank in transmission to a comrade is a holy cause. It is absolutely forbidden to smoke at the tank shooting range at night - no one knows where the gunner will turn the turret. The boxes with zip are not just for fun, they are hung like that, they partially save the tank from the enemy or from another rascal ...... Aya. The armor withstood, well, they smoked a little, they give two unbeaten crews for a broken one. This is the experience of both tankers and anti-tankers.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 11: 06
              0
              In Novograd - Volynskiy, during night shooting, because of the identity of the target illumination and something else (I heard different versions), they fired from the tank in the other direction and turned the corner of the school.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 17 September 2020 19: 20
                +7
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                In Novograd - Volynskiy, during night shooting, because of the identity of the target illumination and something else (I heard different versions), they fired from the tank in the other direction and turned the corner of the school.

                He himself shot at the village at night. I did not look at the azimuth indicator when I sat down in the gunner's place. I managed 2 shells between the lantern and the roof of the house, until we woke up on the "tower". Yes, there were many such cases in the BTV. We and "Zhiguli" were shot when the mushroom picker rolled out onto the target field - fortunately, he got out of the car, the car - into the trash. And on the tank that came forward, they banged the inert into the tower. They did not break through, but the crew "floated". And the most egregious case - a pair of "Crocodiles" worked at the headmistress at night, they did not hit anyone, but they overtook them! laughing It was terribly interesting to serve in the SA laughing
                1. your1970
                  your1970 18 September 2020 07: 58
                  +1
                  1988, during an exercise, tank crews mistook our platoon of sound meters for targets and started shooting. The cars were already in shelters, and there we sat out ...
                  The trick is that the system was already working, the data went to the central processing unit, everything was counted as it should be, transferred to our art division ... belay they gave the planned (we had imitators of shooting on the field - and tanks on the field lol ) 3 shell salvo by division ..
                  Division - 152mm .. repeat angry lol

                  Out of 4 tanks, one of them broke the caterpillar, two of them had their rollers torn off, there were no casualties / wounded .. Everything that stuck out behind the parapets - antennas, handrails and others - was torn off from our cars.
                  Allegedly confused the direction and went to the wrong place of shooting

                  From an unconfirmed story, supposedly the divisional commander (the artilleryman himself) said, "So they need the fuel oil! Nefig to ride on other people's target fields !!". In any case, we were given "excellent" for the exercises, which rarely happens in the army ..
                  Z. Y. How we got 12 people under GAZ 66 - I still can't understand lol
                  And scary - a tank shell tore against the car - there would be a mass grave
                  1. Kostya Lavinyukov
                    Kostya Lavinyukov 19 September 2020 18: 40
                    0
                    On one of the Len polygons. area, there was a tower shooting incident with observing officers. They also sat with a searchlight. Then several people died.
            2. Vladimir Tkachev
              Vladimir Tkachev 17 September 2020 15: 46
              +1
              Yes, during the night firing it happened that neighboring tanks were shot at. At night, nothing is visible. I saw the rear light bulb, thought it was the target. Well, if from a machine gun or an inset barrel. But I do not remember that someone was put on the lip because of this. Most likely, the commanders were hiding and limited by their own measures. Well, apparently there was no big damage. Otherwise it would not have been hidden. As for smoking, it was already in our platoon. The boy lit a cigarette in the VOB car next to the headmistress's command post and lost part of his head. By some miracle, he survived, but whether he got to his feet and whether his brain recovered I don't know.
          3. Knives
            Knives 18 September 2020 08: 49
            +1
            Hello colleague! It was also there ... Trampled Ostersky sand! laughing
        2. Letun
          Letun 16 September 2020 21: 24
          11
          Quote: Shuttle
          the battalion served as a lieutenant at the age of 40

          Quote: Shuttle
          But the aged lieutenant

          There was an awkward pause ...
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 17 September 2020 01: 59
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            Quote: Letun
            Quote: Shuttle
            the battalion served as a lieutenant at the age of 40

            Quote: Shuttle
            But the aged lieutenant

            There was an awkward pause ...

            In the old, "pre-perestroika" times, this was sometimes encountered. In aviation, this is generally a career of a technician in three stages; lieutenant-senior lieutenant - Petrovich. And about 15-year-old captains, who have been captains for 15 years, in general, you can not even remember. What can I say there was a captain in our OBS, or rather, from the beginning, he was an elder, got a captain, a month later he went on a business trip to Khabarovsk, returned, a couple of weeks later an order came - again a starley, a year later again a lieutenant ... retired as the captain left ...
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 17 September 2020 06: 46
              +2
              Quote: Fitter65
              Quote: Letun
              Quote: Shuttle
              the battalion served as a lieutenant at the age of 40

              Quote: Shuttle
              But the aged lieutenant

              There was an awkward pause ...

              In the old, "pre-perestroika" times, this was sometimes encountered. In aviation, this is generally a career of a technician in three stages; lieutenant-senior lieutenant - Petrovich. And about 15-year-old captains, who have been captains for 15 years, in general, you can not even remember. What can I say there was a captain in our OBS, or rather, from the beginning, he was an elder, got a captain, a month later he went on a business trip to Khabarovsk, returned, a couple of weeks later an order came - again a starley, a year later again a lieutenant ... retired as the captain left ...

              My father retired as a captain, and not because he was stupid, but because they were counterproductive with the authorities and did not assign the next rank upon leaving
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 17 September 2020 08: 38
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                Quote: Pilat2009
                My father retired as a captain, and not because he was stupid, but because they were counterproductive with the authorities and did not assign the next rank upon leaving

                Stupid sons of tough parents become regiments by the age of 30. I had a more interesting case for my service. Normal techies are plowmen from dawn to dawn on concrete, but who is the right specialist, who are not enough to tear themselves away from themselves, and an order has come to present a candidate for short-term courses to such and such a number ... Whom to send? And there is a dullness over there, it’s useless to just walk on outfits. six months later he returned, then a new one urgently, again him ... then another couple of retraining, then out of competition in the academy ... After a while a young major appears in the unit, for the post of deputy commander of the regiment, and his classmates, we are much more literate than him and they stick out as starlets on the concrete, but the specialists are golden hands ... It seems like the commander worked for the good of the unit, and as a result, a stupid tyrant comes to replace him - he survived three of these in his service, and so it is now. Only now the "necessary" ones are being moved, and the interests of the service ...
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 17 September 2020 08: 55
                  0
                  It seems like the commander was working for the good of the unit

                  just this commander that's all.
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav 17 September 2020 09: 38
                0
                This happened more often than as a result of regret.
              3. Avior
                Avior 17 September 2020 10: 48
                +3
                there was such a problem with the academy, as our company commander said.
                The major will not be given until they are in the major position, but they do not want to put the captain in the major position. They won't be accepted into the academy until they take a major position.
                and received a major for "demobilization".
            2. Subtext
              Subtext 17 September 2020 13: 54
              0
              Lieutenant Schmidt was the same, from the thugs dunce
            3. Doliva63
              Doliva63 17 September 2020 19: 38
              -1
              Quote: Fitter65
              Quote: Letun
              Quote: Shuttle
              the battalion served as a lieutenant at the age of 40

              Quote: Shuttle
              But the aged lieutenant

              There was an awkward pause ...

              In the old, "pre-perestroika" times, this was sometimes encountered. In aviation, this is generally a career of a technician in three stages; lieutenant-senior lieutenant - Petrovich. And about 15-year-old captains, who have been captains for 15 years, in general, you can not even remember. What can I say there was a captain in our OBS, or rather, from the beginning, he was an elder, got a captain, a month later he went on a business trip to Khabarovsk, returned, a couple of weeks later an order came - again a starley, a year later again a lieutenant ... retired as the captain left ...

              The coolest technician in our regiment was junior lieutenant. After college he served until senior lieutenant, wanted to quit. And he is not fired. They said that the talent was good. To get fired even for a bad article, he began to drink. As a result, they were not fired, but simply demoted. And now - another "flight". He was already rubbing his hands - there is nowhere below the junior lieutenant, they will fire him right now. And to him - bam, incomplete official. And this was during the "fight against drunkenness" under Andropov! Looks like he was really smart. And only when the commander flew to Syria on a business trip as an adviser, he was finally fired.
              1. Cossack 471
                Cossack 471 17 September 2020 20: 57
                -1
                I do not believe in what you have written. The primary rank "lieutenant" is awarded by the Minister of Defense. and then to the major - to the army commander.Accordingly, only the Ministry of Defense can demote the lieutenant
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 18 September 2020 18: 43
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                  Quote: Cossack 471
                  I do not believe in what you have written. The primary rank "lieutenant" is awarded by the Minister of Defense. and then to the major - to the army commander.Accordingly, only the Ministry of Defense can demote the lieutenant

                  Did I say that he was demoted? He was demoted. Only a tribunal could demote, it seems. And the commander had nothing to do with the assignment of ranks to officers - he could only petition, for example, for early assignment. When I left in 91, the order was generally signed by the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, not the Ministry of Defense, but the pension was paid by the Ministry of Defense laughing As for "I don't believe", I myself saw a junior lieutenant with a "diamond" VVUZ for the first and last time. drinks
            4. Letun
              Letun 18 September 2020 09: 06
              +2
              I'm not talking about that at all. A man calls a man at 40 an old man.
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 17 September 2020 11: 23
            +2
            I served in the 70th anti-aircraft missile brigade in measures (dmb-82), I was under 40 - I sent many of them, because I went through Egypt and Syria and knew HOW IT SHOULD BE in war.
        3. Living7111972
          Living7111972 17 September 2020 07: 22
          0
          An elderly lieutenant is a strongly grown warrant officer, although they are usually junior lieutenants (after school), but maybe he did a feat ...
      3. venik
        venik 16 September 2020 20: 31
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        Quote: alexmach
        Who will fire at a relatively serviceable tank?

        =======
        Yes, the question is not only in THIS! With "this" just and figure it out (who is supposed to be in the position!). Interesting - OTHER: It comes out "Competition" (T-90A) - "does not break through" !!! But 9M113M has armor penetration at an angle of 90 °, with a probability of 0,5 - 750-800 mm!
        It turns out the T-90A - quite yourself not sickly a machine!!! hi
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 16 September 2020 21: 53
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          I'm inclined to think it's more of luck here. As the commentators said above, the armor is practically not touched at all, which means that the "body kit" dispersed the cumulative jet.
          Well, the ATGM most likely accidentally flew into this tank, that is, the operator did not target any vulnerable zones there.
          Thank God if the crew is alive and well. They wrote about burns here ...
          1. venik
            venik 16 September 2020 22: 18
            +8
            Quote: alexmach
            I'm inclined to think it's more of luck here.

            =====
            May be!
            --------
            Quote: alexmach
            Thank God if the crew is alive and well. They wrote about burns here ...

            ======
            Hope the guys are okay! HEALTH to them !!! Who time survived in an incredible situation - at least TWO lives!
            Guys,tank crews! Ten lives to you! soldier
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 17 September 2020 04: 43
            +3
            I'm inclined to think it's more of luck here. As the commentators said above, the armor is practically not touched at all, which means that the "body kit" dispersed the cumulative jet.
            Luck, is an integral part of any battle.
          3. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 17 September 2020 05: 25
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            Quote: alexmach
            I tend to think

            The photo is clearly visible. that he burned on the tower, and the whole body kit was simply blown away by the explosion.
            1. svp67
              svp67 17 September 2020 10: 56
              0
              Quote: pmkemcity
              The photo is clearly visible. that he burned on the tower, and the whole body kit was simply blown away by the explosion.

              The external fuel tank served as an anti-cumulative shield, otherwise the tower would have been broken
          4. Kostya Lavinyukov
            Kostya Lavinyukov 19 September 2020 18: 49
            0
            Maybe the ATGM was without a cumulative warhead. It looks like a small land mine on the armor went off.
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 00: 45
          +5
          Quote: venik
          The T-90A turns out - not a sick car at all !!!

          Either the tank is good, or the complex is bad.
          Well, or really - luck. Well, or bad luck, that's also how you look.
        3. svp67
          svp67 17 September 2020 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: venik
          "Competition" comes out (T-90A) - "does not break through" !!! But 9M113M has armor penetration at an angle of 90 °, with a probability of 0,5 - 750-800 mm!
          The T-90A turns out - not a sick car at all !!!

          The car is good, but here it is VERY, VERY lucky. So I see that the blow fell on the external fuel tank, and not on the spare parts box, the ATGM went off and the cumulative pest, having wasted its power, fell into the niche of the tower, the place of impact is clearly visible, this is the so-called "kiss of the witches".
          1. venik
            venik 17 September 2020 11: 11
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            The car is good, but it's VERY, VERY lucky.

            ========
            Here, in an amicable way, from the organizers of the exercises it is necessary not only to rip off the shoulder straps, but also to rip off the pants - and whip them properly! At exercises, of course, anything can happen, but to allowto tank with crew came under fire fighting ATGM-oh ?! For this - you have to beat a stick on the head! am
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 17 September 2020 19: 43
              -1
              Quote: venik
              Quote: svp67
              The car is good, but it's VERY, VERY lucky.

              ========
              Here, in an amicable way, from the organizers of the exercises it is necessary not only to rip off the shoulder straps, but also to rip off the pants - and whip them properly! At exercises, of course, anything can happen, but to allowto tank with crew came under fire fighting ATGM-oh ?! For this - you have to beat a stick on the head! am

              Exercise organizers are awesome! good laughing
          2. Beregovic_1
            Beregovic_1 17 September 2020 16: 59
            0
            Not quite an expert, but it may be that the rocket was .... Practical? Without warheads.
            1. venik
              venik 17 September 2020 18: 47
              +2
              Quote: Beregovyhok_1
              Not quite an expert, but it may be that the rocket was .... Practical? Without warheads.

              =========
              In this case, it is UNIFORMAL. combat!
              And about firing at tanks with training ATGMs - I don't know how now (after all, different simulators appeared), but before (back in the days of the USSR) this was practiced. I had a friend at the university (after school I managed to serve as a mechanic in the Army, in a training center near Chernigov), so they had that (he himself participated in this). For this, the truth was used the old tanks decommissioned from combat units (they had T-54 and T-55 for these purposes). They put 2 people (commander and mechanized driver) in them, and drove around the shooting range, spinning around as best they could, and ATGM crews tried to hit them with training missiles (with an inert warhead) - the so-called. "blanks". And although everything was carefully checked before shooting, he still said: it was dumb - what if a combat one gets caught? But they had no emergency!
          3. vova1973
            vova1973 19 September 2020 13: 07
            0
            then everyone in the army must be fired. did he serve? For two years of service in exercises, they threw rings instead of grenades, threw hails at their own people at 700 m, the first explosions lay down, the battalion commander stopped the movement of BMP combat formations, and at night they shot at the tower when the mechanics and commanders of the vehicles lost their orientation, and they shot from mortars like this that the mines in the combat formations of the BMP were exploding, it is good that people had not yet landed from the troop squads, the gunner confused my batteries so that a shell fell into the ground 100 m from the gun, the ground flew so that the soldiers immediately lay down and crawled helmets from each other took away. if a part is deployed and 9 months a year at the landfill, then there will be many such cases.
        4. Alekseev
          Alekseev 17 September 2020 10: 56
          +1
          Quote: venik
          "Competition" comes out (T-90A) - "does not break through" !!! But the 9M113M has armor penetration at an angle of 90 °, with a probability of 0,5 - 750-800 mm

          "Breaking through" in practice differs from theoretical and even data obtained during field tests. The angle of the missile's meeting with the armor, the moment of the warhead detonation, where the cumulative funnel was directed at that moment, etc. After all, the projectile can prowl along the course and pitch, change its position in space when interacting with spare parts boxes, screens, grilles or damage the warhead about them more an instant before the explosion.
        5. svoit
          svoit 17 September 2020 11: 01
          0
          This KOEP together with the spare parts helped, it's good at least everyone is alive.
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 16 September 2020 17: 37
      27
      They can when they want! The result of hitting the combat ATGM "Competition" with the BMP-2. The Orthodox ZIP box took the blow.
      1. figwam
        figwam 16 September 2020 18: 18
        +7
        The armor in the place of impact is thin, maybe the missile worked abnormally, otherwise the tank commander could die if it penetrated.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 32
          16
          Quote: figvam
          The armor in the place of impact is thin, maybe the missile worked abnormally, otherwise the tank commander could die if it penetrated.

          Maybe the ATGM first got into the fuel tank? There were already precedents for this:
          In two days of fighting in the area of ​​the railway depot, the tank with side No. 611 was hit three times by the Fagot ATGM and six times by RPG-7 grenades.
          The hits occurred in the following parts of the tank.
          ATGM - to the left under the tower (all):
          - two - in the fuel tanks on the fenders under the tower, which during the fighting tankers always kept "dry". The tanks swelled and exploded, then the elements of the mounted explosive reactive armor on the tower worked, there was no armor penetration;
          -one - on board under the tower; it is reflected by the activated element of the mounted dynamic protection mounted on rubber-metal side screens.
          Grenades from RPG-7:
          -one - on top of the commander's hatch of the tower; a cumulative jet pierced the hatch and, without hitting the tank commander, went into the aft wall of the tower;
          -two - to the left in the upper frontal part of the tower; neutralized by triggered elements of mounted dynamic protection;
          -three - to the side of the hull, 2 on the left and 1 on the right; all are reflected by elements of dynamic protection, fixed on rubber-metal side screens
          © Gennady Zhilin
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 September 2020 18: 47
            12
            Clearly hitting the side projection of the tower.
            1. Saxahorse
              Saxahorse 16 September 2020 23: 14
              +2
              Quote: figvam
              Clearly hitting the side projection of the tower.

              In my opinion these are the remnants of remote sensing elements. They are bolted to the right of the T-90. And the radiance is not a trail of a hit, but a trail from an explosive inside a pancake of dynamic protection.
              1. Saxahorse
                Saxahorse 16 September 2020 23: 44
                +4
                I looked specifically for the scheme of the T-90 tower, there is no DZ in this place! 70 mm plus additional walls. Miracles and more!
              2. rzaruba
                rzaruba 18 September 2020 14: 23
                +1
                There is no DZ in this place. There a box with tools hangs, to the right of it there are fastenings from the Cloud, and only after the cloud are the elements of the DZ. So it turns out the spare parts box played the role of a screen.
                1. Saxahorse
                  Saxahorse 18 September 2020 23: 09
                  0
                  Quote: rzaruba
                  So it turns out the spare parts box played the role of a screen.

                  Or the rocket went past the tower and only for this box of spare parts and snaps. Then we see only traces of the detonation of the charge itself and the jet of godfather whistled further. Fortunately! good
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 19 September 2020 14: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Saxahorse
                    Then we see only traces of the detonation of the charge itself and the jet of godfather whistled further.

                    She hit the tank, the consequences of this hit are clearly visible at the rear of the tank turret, only she leaves such a mark
                    1. Saxahorse
                      Saxahorse 19 September 2020 22: 42
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      She hit the tank, the consequences of this hit are clearly visible at the rear of the tank turret, only she leaves such a mark

                      In this case, we do not see a characteristic hole with bulging edges. I hope you will not prove that the 70mm armor in this place of the tower successfully deflected the cumulative jet?

                      The only real option is a tangential strike.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 20 September 2020 01: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        I hope you will not prove that the 70mm armor in this place of the tower successfully deflected the cumulative jet?

                        In order to penetrate the armor, the cumulative pest must form at a certain distance from the armor, a little more, a little less, and that's it, it won't penetrate the armor. Anti-cumulative screens work on this principle, in this case it was a box for spare parts and accessories and personal belongings. As a result, the box was torn apart, and the pestle "kissed" the armor scattered ...
                      2. Saxahorse
                        Saxahorse 20 September 2020 19: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        Anti-cumulative screens work on this principle, in this case they served as a box for spare parts

                        Nothing like this. The so-called "anti-cumulative screens" usually do not work at all. And even from the same supposedly anti-cumulative gratings, the effect is also scanty. The cumulative jet penetrates at least 2-3 meters and the spare parts box is very weak protection here.
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 21 September 2020 03: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        The so-called "anti-cumulative screens" usually do not work at all.

                        Do not make me laugh...
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        The cumulative jet penetrates 2-3 meters minimum and

                        Only in your fantasies ... Each charge has its own penetrating ability, but 2-3 meters is only engineering ammunition that can
                      4. Saxahorse
                        Saxahorse 21 September 2020 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        Each charge has its own penetrating ability, but 2-3 meters is only engineering ammunition that can

                        In Berlin, in the museum, there is an ISU-152 "St. John's wort" pierced through, from left to right through both sides, by a faustpatron. What's its width? And its side is 75 mm, even slightly more than that of the T-90 tower in this place.

                        In general, it would be useful for you to take a look at the hulls of the BTR-60, which are often lying around on training grounds as a target for grenade launchers. You will quickly notice that a bunch of holes there are through, from side to side.

                        After that, you can laugh if you insist so. laughing
                      5. svp67
                        svp67 22 September 2020 09: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        In Berlin, in the museum, there is an ISU-152 "St. John's wort" pierced through, from left to right through both sides, by a faustpatron.

                        I won't believe it until I see it myself ...
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        In general, it would be useful for you to look at the hulls of the BTR-60, often

                        Would you also cite cardboard targets as an example ...
                      6. Saxahorse
                        Saxahorse 22 September 2020 23: 37
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        Would you also cite cardboard targets as an example ...

                        You seem to contradict yourself. The armored personnel carrier is a "cardboard" through and through, and the box of spare parts is supposedly held by the godfather. laughing
                      7. svp67
                        svp67 23 September 2020 06: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        You seem to contradict yourself

                        This is because you do not understand the physics of the process.
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        The armored personnel carrier is a "cardboard" through and through, and the box of spare parts is supposedly held by the godfather.

                        And the box does not hold. But he makes the fuse go off, and he is VERY sensitive on these projectiles. So much so that they are forbidden to shoot through bushes and trees.
                        Once again I will repeat to you, and you will read and comprehend. In order to penetrate (push through) the armor, the cumulative pestle must have time to form at a certain distance from the pierced barrier. Changing the distance in any direction not only reduces the armor penetration of the pestle, but generally may not allow it to form.
                        The shell hit the box, the detonator fired at a much greater distance than was required, as a result, the pest, reaching the main armor of the tower, simply shattered into pieces, leaving a mark on the armor. Its thickness was quite enough not to let itself be simply broken, which does not happen on armored personnel carriers, the composition of the armor on them is worse and the thickness, that is, the rigidity is not the same. And modern armor with a thickness of 70 mm is much superior to that used during the war years, even if it was 75 mm
  • Sam-07
    Sam-07 17 September 2020 21: 22
    0
    the advertisement is engine of the trade? )))) as one of the options for the appearance of a photo)))
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 16 September 2020 20: 12
    +1
    rather old rocket, first versions
  • loki565
    loki565 16 September 2020 18: 26
    +8
    Yeah, and they stew it like that on raslabon, where they took such a hose, in the country they water cabbage better)))
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 16 September 2020 20: 13
      +3
      But why should they strain? There is no penetration, the engine is not touched, they put out and lei until they are ordered to stop ..
  • snake
    snake 16 September 2020 20: 01
    +4
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    They can when they want!

    That's who you need to take to tank biathlon. And then the local tankers did not cope with the ATGMs.
    1. Letun
      Letun 16 September 2020 21: 27
      +3
      Quote: serpent
      That's who you need to take to tank biathlon. And then the local tankers did not cope with the ATGMs.

      Yes, they were notoriously disgraced there.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 September 2020 21: 54
    +3
    What is the jet in the photo? Does it really extinguish naturally?
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 16 September 2020 17: 55
    -24 qualifying.
    The curtain worked, but it's no use, there is a hit
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 03
      16
      Quote: Vol4ara
      The curtain worked, but it's no use, there is a hit

      The ATGM hit the side of the tower - that is, it passed outside the sector protected by the KOEP.
      For the "Curtains" emitters work only in the sector plus or minus 20 degrees from the axis of the gun barrel.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 16 September 2020 18: 07
        -8
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Vol4ara
        The curtain worked, but it's no use, there is a hit

        The ATGM hit the side of the tower - that is, it passed outside the sector protected by the KOEP.
        For the "Curtains" emitters work only in the sector plus or minus 20 degrees from the axis of the gun barrel.

        Then why write about it, that it worked
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 13
          20
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Then why write about it, that it worked

          The article says "could work".
          Besides, who will dig the operating principle of the "curtain" optical channel and the sector of its emitters. They saw that the tank was equipped with KOEP - they would write that "it could have worked." And the fact that the emitters looked at the sectors "11-12" and "12-1" o'clock, and arrived from "3" o'clock - but who will understand this. sad
          1. Old Skeptic
            Old Skeptic 17 September 2020 02: 25
            +1
            Can i ask you?
            What does the "Competition" emit, is it like a wire, and the curtain is triggered by laser irradiation (or I don't know something?)?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 17 September 2020 10: 07
              +4
              Quote: Old Skeptic
              Can i ask you?
              What does the "Competition" emit, is it like a wire, and the curtain is triggered by laser irradiation (or I don't know something?)?

              The Curtain has two methods of suppression.
              1. Against ATGM guided by laser illumination - radiation sensors and aerosol curtain grenade launchers.
              At the moment the radiation from the enemy's laser emitter hits the vehicle, precise indicators determine the direction to the laser emitter and transmit a signal to the countermeasures control system unit. The control system provides notification of the crew about irradiation (sound - through the intercom equipment and light - through the light indicators on the control panel, and the control panel also displays the direction of irradiation), selects the launcher, the barrel axis of which is closest to the direction to the emitter, and issues a command to shoot ammunition from selected PU.
              © Baron
              2. Against ATGM with wire guidance - modulated optical signal emitters. The fact is that to guide even a wired ATGM, the guidance system on the launcher needs to know its position relative to the target. Usually this "feedback" is carried out by tracking the coordinator on the launcher for the IR tracer installed in the tail section of the ATGM.
              The emitters of the tank clog this signal with their own, after which the control system begins to issue signals for correcting the trajectory to the ATGM, having in the initial signal from the tank. The end is a bit predictable.. ©
              The searchlight of the searchlight installation provides radiation with parameters (modulation frequency and spectral range) similar to the characteristics of tracer shells or missiles used in anti-tank guided weapon systems. This radiation is perceived by the coordinator. The radiation power of the searchlight installation significantly exceeds the radiation power of the tracer, therefore, as the rocket approaches the protected vehicle, the signal level from the tracer on the coordinator decreases, while the signal level from the searchlight remains constant.
              At the moment when the signal level from the searchlight installation on the coordinator exceeds the signal level from the projectile tracer, the coordinator intercepts the searchlight signal instead of the tracer signal, and false motion correction commands begin to be sent to the projectile, which leads to disruption of projectile guidance.
              1. Old Skeptic
                Old Skeptic 17 September 2020 21: 16
                0
                Well, how pressing, I know that. How does Shtora know about the shot? The wire does not radiate, the tracer looks back, then how?
                1. kytx
                  kytx 18 September 2020 07: 18
                  0
                  As I understand it, the rocket goes to a laser marker that is projected onto the target, and the wires are just a missile control channel.
                  in systems of the 1st generation of the Baby type, there was no interaction with the target, the operator simply controlled the flight of the rocket. Accordingly, the target did not know that it was being attacked.
                  1. Old Skeptic
                    Old Skeptic 18 September 2020 16: 12
                    0
                    There is no laser marker there, at most there is a laser rangefinder (although why the heck he is there ... maybe it is not there, but if there was, it could be measured, somewhere on the sidelines, or you can not measure it, because why the heck he is there). The "Metis" rocket is as simple as an orange (blind and deaf) all the electronics are in the PU, it has only servos, that's why it is interesting - it is cheap. Laser on "Cornet".
                    1. kytx
                      kytx 19 September 2020 17: 19
                      0
                      There above it seems about the "competition" he emnip with backlight
                      on the "cornet" there generally a laser with a rocket works cleverly, even the Jews praise, but they know a lot about it. Although just like an ax
                    2. kytx
                      kytx 19 September 2020 17: 33
                      0
                      Merkav 2-3 was amazed by the obsolete pturs
                      Merkava 4 amazed competition
                      Selectively

                      Are the lumps so dumb?
                    3. kytx
                      kytx 19 September 2020 17: 34
                      0
                      Sorry
                      cornet
    2. rzaruba
      rzaruba 18 September 2020 14: 32
      0
      Duc journalists are writing. They are allowed. Wild, illiterate people. When the Curtain is triggered, the turret of the tank automatically turns its head towards the incoming projectile and fires off the Cloud.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 16 September 2020 18: 26
    +9
    Apparently it was not even included in the exercises.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 26
      20
      Quote: Vadim237
      Apparently it was not even included in the exercises.

      By the way, yes. Resource conservation - our everything. smile
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 17 September 2020 08: 42
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        By the way, yes. Resource conservation is our everything

        The materiel is sacred. Each commander in peacetime must protect materiel from the crooked hands of personnel.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 September 2020 21: 30
      +6
      Quote: Vadim237
      Apparently it was not even included in the exercises.

      Why include it?
      It will not protect against "friendly" in the stern. Well, targets don't shoot.
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 16 September 2020 18: 09
    10
    In combat conditions, shooting at friendly (friendly fire) is unfortunately a common occurrence. But this also happens in training. In my time, during exercises, from one T-62 they hit another T-62 with a blank, in the back of the tower. I did not pierce the armor, but the loader's arm was broken by the blower that came off.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 September 2020 18: 13
      +6
      Quote: Bad_gr
      In combat conditions, shooting at friendly (friendly fire) is unfortunately a common occurrence.

      This is "cured" by combat training
      And normal target designation transmission systems.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 16 September 2020 20: 12
        -5
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Bad_gr
        In combat conditions, shooting at friendly (friendly fire) is unfortunately a common occurrence.

        This is "cured" by combat training
        And normal target designation transmission systems.

        Like the Americans on the Abrams?
        1. loki565
          loki565 16 September 2020 20: 39
          +5
          Like the Americans on the Abrams?

          No, they periodically shoot at their own people and in the exercises too
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 16 September 2020 23: 17
            -1
            Quote: loki565
            Like the Americans on the Abrams?

            No, they periodically shoot at their own people and in the exercises too

            So I'm about the same
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 September 2020 21: 28
          +3
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Like the Americans on the Abrams?

          Including.
          In general, this is a really big problem. Both during hostilities and during exercises.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 16 September 2020 20: 32
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        This is "cured" by combat training
        And normal target designation transmission systems.

        Treatment is a lengthy process. And not all 100% of patients are treatable.
  • Misha Bushmanov
    Misha Bushmanov 17 September 2020 02: 21
    +3
    If the ATGM's wire comes off, the rocket can fly anywhere.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 17 September 2020 11: 47
    +1
    EXPLOSION AT A MILITARY FIELD UNDER THE MEADOW: ONE URGENT KILLED, ANOTHER FIVE HURTED
    During tank firing, one of the shells ricocheted off the ground and flew into a shelter where there were six people


    We have it all the time, not so long ago it was.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 16 September 2020 17: 21
    13
    ,, the most important thing as a crew. I hope no one was seriously hurt.
    If the news is not fake.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 16 September 2020 18: 03
      +7
      Quote: bubalik
      most importantly as a crew.

      The commander received burns, the others were not injured.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 17 September 2020 10: 25
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      most importantly as a crew.
      Everybody is alive. It means, perhaps, they will beat. Probably kicking ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2020 17: 31
    +6
    Go figure it out, whether the ATGM is a kosyachny / training, or the tank is well protected, or lucky !!!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 16 September 2020 17: 35
      18
      there was a spare shovel handle in the spare parts box - he saved the tank,
      And what are the properties of the shovels themselves? as a spare blade for a helicopter?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 16 September 2020 17: 55
        21
        Quote: antivirus
        there was a spare shovel handle - he saved the tank,

        Incidentally, the board of the newest T-90M is equipped with an Orthodox log, which provides an unsurpassed level of protection.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 September 2020 17: 58
          25
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Incidentally, the board of the newest T-90M is equipped with an Orthodox log, which provides an unsurpassed level of protection.

          An extremely useful thing, by the way.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 16 September 2020 18: 06
            +6
            Yeah. A thing known since the First World War. If no joke, the log was attached to its side as it covers the view of the rear view camera.
            1. Vladimir Tkachev
              Vladimir Tkachev 17 September 2020 15: 57
              +2
              functionality has decreased. Now the log needs to be dragged under the tracks. Previously, it fell where it needed to.
        2. businessv
          businessv 16 September 2020 18: 08
          +7
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          T-90M is equipped with an Orthodox log

          It is not for nothing that it is called a "self-pulling log"! Pulls it out by itself! smile
        3. lego2
          lego2 16 September 2020 18: 40
          +6
          a log on a tank is a useful thing in all respects
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 September 2020 20: 20
            +5
            Quote: lego2
            a log on a tank is a useful thing in all respects

            Speak correctly.
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 17 September 2020 05: 31
              0
              Why are the soldiers' shoulder straps red? Partisans?
              1. figwam
                figwam 17 September 2020 14: 01
                0
                Quote: pmkemcity
                Why are the soldiers' shoulder straps red? Partisans?

                Yes, most likely.
                1. Armored beast
                  Armored beast 17 September 2020 15: 49
                  +1
                  I served in a reinforced tank battalion of a motorized rifle regiment with red shoulder straps. Only on demobilization blacks have changed. True, it was a long time ago. 76-78.
              2. HaByxoDaBHocep
                HaByxoDaBHocep 17 September 2020 14: 15
                0
                These are komendachi, cropped regiments, my Kent served in this in Nizhneudinsk, the equipment was in storage, they kept it in a combat-ready state
              3. Livonetc
                Livonetc 17 September 2020 14: 16
                -1
                Quote: pmkemcity
                Why are the soldiers' shoulder straps red? Partisans?

                It looks like the shoulder straps of the Internal Troops of Internal Troops.
              4. Skyscream
                Skyscream 17 September 2020 18: 47
                +1
                Because they are motorized rifles.
        4. antivirus
          antivirus 16 September 2020 18: 48
          0
          all laughed. tank men.
          there are no helicopter pilots.
    2. certero
      certero 17 September 2020 04: 41
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      Go figure it out, whether the ATGM is a kosyachny / training,

      Most likely, the rocket was inert. That is, there was no cumulative explosion. Otherwise, the results would have been much more serious than those shown in the photo.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2020 05: 06
        +2
        Here I am about that. Not like the effects of a real ATGM warhead!
  • bubalik
    bubalik 16 September 2020 17: 34
    +5
    where maneuvers took place with the use of tanks.

    Tank units of the Southern Military District (YuVO), as part of a bilateral brigade tactical exercise, destroyed armored vehicles of the advancing simulated enemy at the Ashuluk training ground in the Astrakhan region.

    In the course of practical actions with live firing, tank subunits of the 49th combined-arms army of the Southern Military District worked out a tactical rally of transition from defense to offensive with consolidation on the flanks.

    Crews of T-72B3 tanks, supported by 9P140 Uragan and BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems, as well as 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, inflicted fire damage on the columns of the advancing enemy, constraining its actions, after which they created encirclement rings , preventing the infliction of fire damage to the flank.

    The most important remote enemy targets were destroyed by missile and bomb strikes of the Su-34 multifunctional fighter-bombers and Mi-28N helicopters of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army.

    Up to 4,5 thousand servicemen take part in the bilateral brigade tactical exercise and about 1,5 thousand units of combat and special equipment are involved, including the Uragan and Grad-M MLRS, Msta-S self-propelled guns, Msta-B ", anti-aircraft guns ZU-23, tanks T-72B3, BTR-82AM, armored vehicles" Tiger "and" Lynx ", tactical aircraft and helicopters of army aviation.

    https://ens.mil.ru/education/[email protected]
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 16 September 2020 17: 50
    +2
    So there is not even a crater on the armor. Most likely an inert warhead.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 September 2020 17: 55
      +7
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Most likely an inert warhead.

      It's unlikely.
      No, theoretically they exist, but really in the troops ...
      1. loki565
        loki565 16 September 2020 18: 15
        +2
        Here is a funny video, here at 2.10 minutes a grenade from a fly flies to the target sideways and the cumulative jet went into the ground. Maybe in this case, the spare parts box deployed the rocket)))
        1. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 16 September 2020 21: 46
          +2
          She flew sideways, as the grenade launcher turned out to be a cross-handed, the video clearly shows how the projectile hits the ground before hitting the target. Shots do not fly sideways.
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 16 September 2020 19: 55
        0
        Yes, that's just for such a case. Well, it is much easier for bureaucrats to write off training ammunition (grenade, blank cartridge).
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 September 2020 21: 48
          +4
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Yes, that's just for such a case.

          Very few of them are distinguished. Therefore, they are used for ostentation. Well, there it is simply stupid to use "practice".

          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Well, it is much easier for bureaucrats to write off training ammunition (grenade, blank cartridge).

          This does not apply to ATGM.
          On them number registration goes.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 September 2020 17: 54
    13
    But "Tank Biathlon" this year was especially spectacular ....
    laughing

    By the way, where does KOEP have to do with it? And where does "work" here?
    First, it works constantly.
    Secondly, both "eyes" look where the tank's gun is directed, that is, judging by the photo, the KOEP could not help.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 06
      +6
      Quote: Spade
      Secondly, both "eyes" look where the tank's gun is directed, that is, judging by the photo, the KOEP could not help.

      For clarity, here is a diagram of the sectors of the "Curtains" emitters (thanks to the Baron):

      In our case, "alpha" = 20 degrees. That is, the "Curtain" covers the sector 40 degrees, 20 degrees to the left and right from the axis of the gun barrel.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 September 2020 18: 09
        +4
        Exactly.

        And to our great regret, KOEP does not "work" in this case, but works constantly. Greatly facilitating the work of ATGM with IR seeker
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 23
          +5
          Quote: Spade
          And to our great regret, KOEP does not "work" in this case, but works constantly. Greatly facilitating the work of ATGM with IR seeker

          And what to do?
          Either the emitters are constantly driving interference - and then, even if we miss / don't detect the ATGM, its feedback from the launcher will still be clogged with this interference.
          Or you have to equip the tank with a set of sensors or a radar that would record the launch of the ATGM and give the command to turn on the emitters. Moreover, taking into account the fact that the emitters most likely require warming up before entering the mode, you will have to be perverted like on a radar - in standby mode they will "work for an equivalent", and after receiving a signal from the ATGM detection system, they will switch to "work on the air" ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 16 September 2020 18: 25
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And what to do?

            Install UV sensors.

            Quote: Alexey RA
            emitters most likely require warming up

            If they are not diode.

            By the way, the operating system already exists ...


    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 38
      +7
      Quote: Spade
      But "Tank Biathlon" this year was especially spectacular ....

      And Army 2020 too.
      However, not everything is so bad - now we know that, unlike tankers, motorized riflemen are able to hit the target with ATGMs. smile
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 September 2020 21: 49
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        motorized riflemen know how to hit the target with ATGMs.

        Precisely BMPshka?
        It is possible that the anti-tank.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 16 September 2020 17: 59
    +5
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Incidentally, the board of the newest T-90M is equipped with an Orthodox log, which provides an unsurpassed level of protection.

    If Orthodox, then oak. Thing!!! laughing
  • Hey
    Hey 16 September 2020 18: 01
    +7
    Recently, they laughed at the Americans, who hit a tank with a shell during an exercise, so a response from higher forces flew in. You cannot laugh at the mistakes of others and even at the enemy.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 September 2020 18: 06
      +3
      Quote: MUD
      Recently, they laughed at the Americans, who hit a tank with a shell during an exercise, so a response from higher forces flew in. You cannot laugh at the mistakes of others and even at the enemy.

      Remind me, in what year was the ASUNO equipment similar to the one installed on the Abrams installed at the "Competitions"?
      1. Hey
        Hey 16 September 2020 18: 13
        +4
        Remind in what year the ASUNO equipment was installed at the "Competitions"

        What is the difference or not there are different pribluds on the weapon, and most importantly, that your shell hit your tank. And there is no need to laugh at others. For as it comes around, it will respond.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 September 2020 18: 14
          +7
          Quote: MUD
          What is the difference or not there are different strands on the weapon

          Awesome.
          It is one thing when you could not dig a hole with your hands, another thing when you could not do it with an excavator.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 September 2020 18: 14
      +2
      Here a whole series looms, in Ukraine BMP VS BMP, the total is XNUMX, the Yankes have a VS tank, the total is XNUMX, we have a tank VS BMP, the result is not yet known.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 16 September 2020 18: 04
    +4
    in the struggle of special officers with telephones, as I understand it, telephones won? soldier
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 September 2020 10: 13
      +3
      Quote: Tlauicol
      in the struggle of special officers with telephones, as I understand it, telephones won? soldier

      The telephones defeated the special officers even in their nest: after the shooting at the FSB building on Lubyanka and the filming of it, a formidable paper came out of the building windows: how long will employees ignore the order to ban cell phones with cameras in the building !?
  • zenion
    zenion 16 September 2020 18: 16
    -32 qualifying.
    This is not Russian armor and not Savetskuya, this is armor from Ukraine. What was ripped off the roofs was fused into armor for Russia.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2020 18: 25
      14
      Quote: zenion
      This is not Russian armor and not Savetskuya, this is armor from Ukraine. What was ripped off the roofs was fused into armor for Russia.

      Armor from Ukraine - this is:
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 September 2020 19: 59
      +2
      Pans from Ukrainian armor for you on the "cockpit"
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 16 September 2020 18: 30
    +3
    Oh, someone good zvezdyulins will fly for damage to military property through negligence.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 16 September 2020 19: 50
    +1
    There, if you look closely for 4 hours, even a certain rocket-shaped contour is guessed.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 16 September 2020 21: 39
    +2
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: Shuttle
    the battalion served as a lieutenant at the age of 40

    Quote: Shuttle
    But the aged lieutenant

    There was an awkward pause ...

    On the fifth ten and not even an old man - it's not casual.
  • Mimino
    Mimino 17 September 2020 07: 41
    0
    Judging by the traces, the CURTAIN did not work or was not used. And now, having slightly modified the spare parts box, you can use it instead of active armor. Double benefit!
  • Kosty
    Kosty 17 September 2020 08: 22
    +3
    Do you really think that a missile with a warhead was used during the exercises and at the same time did not "burn" a single millimeter of armor?
    They were shooting a training one, either the mechanic drove into the line of fire, or the operator decided to aim at the "live" tank and accidentally fired. I see a burn from the remnants of the mixture of the main engine and no more. Perhaps something else caught fire on the armor
  • Crimea26
    Crimea26 17 September 2020 10: 14
    +1
    So the external body kit is parallel and serves for this option. This is how it is laid. Well, everything was scattered around - it should be so. It's one thing to hang a new tin box, and quite another to have new tanks and a new crew))))
  • Poruchikgt
    Poruchikgt 17 September 2020 10: 42
    +1
    Stop fantasizing. Missiles 9M113M in the army - NO! Those that are, for a long time with expired GSH. The mark looks like a land mine hit, but a land mine and DZ demolished the entire superstructure!
  • Badger
    Badger 17 September 2020 10: 44
    +1
    And how can we understand what kind of tank is in the photo, and therefore whether to believe what is written?
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 17 September 2020 11: 14
    0
    "Contact" - worked as it should.
  • Squelcher
    Squelcher 17 September 2020 11: 54
    +2
    The main crew is alive and well.
    And exercises cannot do without incidents, and exercises for this, so that in a real battle this does not happen.
  • Kaw
    Kaw 17 September 2020 13: 04
    0
    Did you save the box from being broken? What kind of ATGM was this?
  • Grei
    Grei 17 September 2020 14: 26
    +2
    Not weak exercises among tank crews, so to speak, are close to combat conditions wink ... In general, the most terrible weapon in the army is gouging.
  • pepel79
    pepel79 17 September 2020 15: 06
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    The combat vehicle was seriously damaged not from being hit by a gun, but from a combination of factors. The warhead of the rocket did not pierce the car, but initiated the tank ... the tank was in training and the tanks on the fenders were either full, which led to an external fire (the rubber on the rollers also burned like the hull), or were already completely or partially drained, in connection with which they had vaporization. which again led to an explosion of vapors, which was superimposed on the high-explosive action of the missile warhead and the remaining fuel scorched the car.
  • Maxim73
    Maxim73 17 September 2020 16: 41
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    Combat shooting they are. Even more "frenzy" at night.
  • Mark68
    Mark68 17 September 2020 17: 19
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    It's good that they are alive thanks to the active armor, although the ATGM fulfilled its task, disabled the combat unit. We also had an emergency during the exercises in 88 ... During the exercises, seven combat high-explosive fragmentation weapons were issued for the tank. As the battalion turned around in a battle chain, raised the targets, the battalion zhahnul, and there are no targets. Someone didn't even have time to shoot, it's a shame. Here is the gunner of one tank and then saw a red flag on a hillock, which is not a target, and let's shoot at it with high-explosive fragmentation, released three, the commander says, good, hit, don't shoot. Before the exercises, no one had instructed them that it was forbidden to shoot at the red flag. As it turned out, there were signalmen sitting in the dugout, who were lifting targets. They came to us in the evening in the battalion, smoked and shell-shocked, to find out who almost sent them to the next world. They said it was good that after the second round they realized that they would be the khan if they stayed in the dugout. They reacted and ran out of the dugout, rushed into the trench. As it turned out, it was not in vain that the third shot was accurate and an iron door flew into the concrete dugout from the explosion ... The gunner was eventually put on trial, but the harm was done away with, the senior lieutenant was demoted ... Well, the entire battalion was forced to restore the destroyed dugout .. According to the stories, during the same exercises, one infantryman died from an explosion of a grenade in his hand and the driver while towing from a cable break ... So it was lucky that without casualties, weapons and equipment rarely forgive mistakes and sloppiness, especially in combat conditions ...
  • pogis
    pogis 17 September 2020 18: 16
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    Quote: PoruchikGT
    Stop fantasizing. Missiles 9M113M in the army - NO! Those that are, for a long time with expired GSH. The mark looks like a land mine hit, but a land mine and DZ demolished the entire superstructure!

    And a false board. It doesn't look like a practical pturs.
  • pogis
    pogis 17 September 2020 18: 32
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    In the 80s, a bike went about how one tanker during an exercise forgot a can of minced sausage (tourist's breakfast) in the barrel of a gun after eating. And then a green rocket. Tanks ahead, BMP-1 200-250 m behind. But, because of the mv of the tank, it loses its direction and fugs out idle. As a result, the BMP board was pierced. In my opinion, if the distance to the target was 200-300 m, then it's easy.
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 18 September 2020 08: 15
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    But what kind of ATGM is this, if there is no penetration, shoot at armored Hummers and Mercedes. It is certainly good that the armor saved the crew, but the point is in such an ATGM.
  • nalogoplatelschik
    nalogoplatelschik 18 September 2020 16: 46
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    I'm not a tanker but I'm wondering why they miss when firing rockets from a cannon? There, in my opinion, laser guidance. I'm just curious.
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 18 September 2020 23: 22
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      Quote: nalogoplatelschik
      There, in my opinion, laser guidance.

      There is no laser guidance. With the laser, only the command to control the rocket is transmitted, and the aiming with the handles through the optics .. We combine the cross with the tank and do not tremble while the rocket is flying.
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  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 18 September 2020 22: 24
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    If in battle then bullshit no damage.