Miller reported to Putin on the start of construction of Power of Siberia - 2

Alexey Miller, Chairman of the Management Board of the state-owned Gazprom, informed President Vladimir Putin about the start of design and survey work in the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic. It is planned to lay the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline through this country, connecting the gas fields of the Yamal Peninsula with Chinese consumers of natural gas.

This was reported by the Kremlin press service.

According to the Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom, the launch of the Power of Siberia-2 project will make it possible to unite the gas transmission pipelines of the western and eastern parts of the country into a single network. This new export corridor, with a capacity of 50 billion cubic meters, will allow not only to supply Russian gas to the Asian market, but also open up new opportunities for gasification of Eastern Siberia and Transbaikalia. The fact is that the main line is planned to be built from the Yamal Peninsula through Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude and the Mongolian steppes to China.

Initially, they planned to lay a pipeline to the PRC through Altai, but then they changed the route. The new version is about a thousand kilometers shorter than the previous one, and it is easier to lay pipes in the steppes of Mongolia than in the Altai mountains. In addition, the Chinese side also supports Gazprom's decision to lay the pipeline along a new route.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the gasification of regions in our country is most often referred to in relation to the implementation of projects for the supply of gas abroad. If China did not support the Power of Siberia, would the large-scale gasification of Eastern Siberia and the Far East be called into question?

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[Olgovich]

the launch of the Power of Siberia-2 project will allow to unite the gas transmission pipelines of the western and eastern parts of the country into a single network. This new export corridor, with a capacity of 50 billion cubic meters, will not only allow the supply of Russian gas to the Asian market, but also open up new opportunities forfor gasification of Eastern Siberia and Transbaikalia... The fact is that the highway is planned to be built from the Yamal Peninsula through Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude and the Mongolian steppes to China.

We need to gasify our own, but with China, for now, perhaps, we can wait - until the time of better, higher prices.

Moreover, the Power of Siberia1 is already working there.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

There, with the power of Siberia 1, not everything is simple, but they already want to pull power 2.

The large-scale Power of Siberia gas project of the state-owned Gazprom is under threat: the Chayandinskoye field, one of the largest in Russia, may not have enough fuel to fill the pipeline. This, in turn, is fraught with the breakdown of the strategic contract between Russia and China, which will result in losses for the gas giant of 1,5 trillion rubles, similar problems are noted at another resource point of the Power of Siberia - the Kovykta field.

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

[tralflot1832]

We will wait for the end of the year in 2020. Today, a command was given to drill 103 wells in the Chayandinskoye field. 19, they discovered the Power of Siberia, 4.6 billion were pumped, the plan was 5 billion. For 2020, the plan was 10 billion. Only cats are born quickly.

[nnm]

+ Bovanenkovskoe

[Furious bambr]

Gas from the Bovanenkovskoye field does not go to the Power of Siberia, from there it is pumped into Yamal-Europe and SP-1

[nnm]

Gazprom somewhere on its page has already made a message that Bovanenkovo ​​can go to the SS. In principle, it will not be difficult to implement such a project. But this must be done after Chayandinskoye and Bovanenkovo ​​itself reach maximum production.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tralflot1832

We will wait for the end of the year in 2020. Today, a command was given to drill 103 wells in the Chayandinskoye field. 19, they discovered the Power of Siberia, 4.6 billion were pumped, the plan was 5 billion. For 2020, the plan was 10 billion. Only cats are born quickly.

What a joy! Amazing successes for the "energy superpower"! Honestly, I would understand your pride if we built a new machine-building giant in Russia, or mastered the production of chips using 7-nanometer technology, and to drive raw materials "over the hill" and the budget, while sawing, are not great merits.

[aybolyt678]

++ I join you. when in the 50s they gasified Moscow, gas came from the Saratov field. Now from Yamal. So then Moscow and then China! What will we leave to the children? People have lost the ability to see one or two generations ahead. But we have a cold country! September, I heat my house in Siberia until May.

[not main]

Quote: aybolyt678

++ I join you. when in the 50s they gasified Moscow, gas came from the Saratov field. Now from Yamal. So then Moscow and then China! What will we leave to the children? People have lost the ability to see one or two generations ahead. But we have a cold country! September, I heat my house in Siberia until May.

Similarly, but in Karelia. I will add that in the summer you have to "heat", by the way, during the "summer" it takes up to a cubic meter of firewood!

[Rubi0]

Leave the hydrogen economy, to which Germany will be switching right now, or have you not seen the signing of the relevant contracts between Germany and Russia? then you are blind and do not see 1-2 steps forward ...

[ycuce234-san]

But we have a cold country! September, I heat my house in Siberia until May.

This is one of the reasons why you need to participate in the ITER project - the first experimental industrial thermonuclear reactor is being built in it right now, and in the next 50 years, generations of industrial installations will appear. Orgchemistry, apparently, will have to switch to hard-to-reach and deep-seated ancient oil and marine gas hydrates.

[Olgovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What a joy! Amazing successes for the "energy superpower"!

and America, for some reason, is proud and strongly supports its shale oil / gas and their export.
Turaks, probably, yeah .....

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Olgovich

and America, for some reason, is proud and strongly supports its shale oil / gas and their export.

And you look at the structure of its exports and imports, then you will tell what it is proud of and what it supports, and to what extent.

[CSKA]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

frankly, I would understand your pride if a new machine-building giant was built in Russia

And the Zvezda plant is not an engineering giant?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

or mastered the production of chips using 7-nanometer technology

It would not be bad, just name a lot of countries who have such technology?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

and to drive raw materials "over the hill" and the budget, while sawing, not great merits.

Well, of course. There is no need to touch the budget at all, let it lie. The budget is formed for that, what would then be mastered.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: CSKA

And the Zvezda plant is not an engineering giant?

http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/ Если Вы эту Звезду имеете ввиду, то построена она при СССР. Дальневосточный завод Звезда, специализирующийся на ремонте подводных лодок, то же основан в 1954 году. Какой машиностроительный гигант "Звезда" построен после развала СССР?

Quote: CSKA

It would not be bad, just name a lot of countries who have such technology?

I was born in the USSR and got used to the fact that my country was the first to go into space, the first to launch a man into space, the first to master the peaceful atom, etc. We were the second largest economy in the world and sought to catch up and overtake America. We had a lot to be proud of. Today you are suggesting who should be equal to, Brazil? Or Papua New Guinea? They don't produce the same chips.

Quote: CSKA

Well, of course. There is no need to touch the budget at all, let it lie. The budget is formed for that, what would then be mastered.

Mastering and sawing are two different things. Or do you think differently?

[CSKA]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/ Если Вы эту Звезду имеете ввиду, то построена она при СССР. Дальневосточный завод Звезда, специализирующийся на ремонте подводных лодок, то же основан в 1954 году. Какой машиностроительный гигант "Звезда" построен после развала СССР?

I have to enter SSK Zvezda.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I was born in the USSR and got used to the fact that my country was the first to go into space, the first to launch a man into space, the first to master the peaceful atom, etc. We were the second largest economy in the world and sought to catch up and overtake America. We had a lot to be proud of. Today you are suggesting who should be equal to, Brazil? Or Papua New Guinea? They don't produce the same chips.

I was also born in the USSR. It is very good that we were the first in space and the peaceful atom, but it is very bad that at the same time we made bad household appliances, useless cars, that cities were supplied with food in three categories, that peaceful demonstrations were shot. So there was something to be proud of and something to be ashamed of.
Don't look up to anyone. We must develop ourselves without looking back at anyone. Unlike many countries, we manufacture processors and the state invests a lot of money in further development. And mechanical engineering plants are opened every month.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Mastering and sawing are two different things. Or do you think differently?

Oh, okay. All these speculations about cuts. Directly personally the government saws. And if on the ground any of the contractors is engaged in overstatement of estimates, then this is not the fault of the authorities. Or do you suggest not to build anything at all?

[Lexus]

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

There is such a profession - to plunder the Motherland ...

[CSKA]

Quote: lexus

There is such a profession - to plunder the Motherland ...

The humorist at least gave you new pictures there, otherwise you mold one and tighter.

[Varyag71]

And your brains and conscience

[CSKA]

Quote: Varyag71

And your brains and conscience

And I have both. But you whine whineers just do not have any of this. If there were brains, they could compare the economy, defense industry, the standard of living, what was in the early 00s and what is now. And if it were a piece of advice, then they wouldn't open their mouths.

[Varyag71]

If you had a conscience, then you would keep your mouth closed. Or maybe you like bureaucrats who more and more think of themselves as God's chosen ones? Or maybe you like the immeasurable number of billionaires sitting on the neck of ordinary people? Or pension reform? Or the bleating of the Foreign Ministry at the repeated humiliations of the country? Or maybe free medicine. which is not very free. Or do you like total control? Who are you? A bureaucrat, a security officer or their admirer, hoping for a bone from them?

[Varyag71]

Wow how many minuses got !!! 41 snout apparently from those at the trough

[Lexus]

The main backbone of the Urya-Skakuas is the WORKERS (s) of the sphere of "oral" services and the "blessed" ones, whom medicine is not able to help. Therefore, it is easy for them to live in the world. The character, tangled underfoot, is unremarkable. So, "rear exhaust".

[alexmach]

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

Well, in fact, it is from another field.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

One pipe half empty

Is it okay that the Power of Siberia reaches its design capacity only by 2025? Or are you not interested in such subtleties, the main thing for you is to criticize?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

Is it okay that the Power of Siberia reaches its design capacity only by 2025?

Designed for occupancy, or consumption? So it is that even with the current filling of the pipe, the Chinese do not need so much gas.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Designed for occupancy, or consumption? So it is that even with the current filling of the pipe, the Chinese do not need so much gas.

And the Chinese, then, are such id *** s that they intended to finance the construction of a gas pipeline in advance to pump the gas they do not need?
"Brilliant" thought ...

PS The power of Siberia is not only about exports to China, it is also the Amur Gas Processing Plant (2024) and the Amur Gas Chemical Complex (2025).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

that the construction of the gas pipeline was financed by prepayment

As far as I know, they have not invested a dime in laying a pipeline through our territory. Correct me if not right ..

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Ded_Mazay

that the construction of the gas pipeline was financed by prepayment

As far as I know, they have not invested a dime in laying a pipeline through our territory. Correct me if not right ..

However, there was such a message in the media.

... as reported, Gazprom was to receive from CNPC an advance payment for gas in the amount of $ 25 billion, which was supposed to be used for the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. However, in the future, Gazprom refused to pay in advance in order not to reduce the price of gas planned for delivery via the pipeline. ...

And even if it did not correspond to reality, then the amount does not change from a change in the places of the terms - the fundamental document in this matter is an agreement between Gazprom and CNPC of 2014, for the supply of 38 billion cubic meters per year (design power of Siberia) in force and changes was not exposed.
So it is still unclear what kind of "unnecessary gas" you are talking about.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

as reported, Gazprom had receive from CNPC an advance payment for gas in the amount of $ 25 billion

Got?

Quote: Ded_Mazay

what kind of "unnecessary gas" are you talking about.

The contracts stipulated the volumes of gas purchased by China. Now China buys less gas than it planned. These are facts.

[Ded_Mazay]

The facts are that the treaty is in force and no one is torn to revise it. All the rest is talk in favor of the poor.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

The facts are that the treaty is in force and no one is torn to revise it.

Yes, the agreement is in force. But China is consuming less gas than it was announced and prescribed. China simply does not fulfill all the conditions, a fact recognized by Gazprom.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes, the contract is in force. But China is consuming less gas than it was announced and prescribed. China simply does not fulfill all the conditions, a fact recognized by Gazprom.

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.

[bayard]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.

I'm afraid that for Gazprom, settling "scores" will not be very happy:
- The Turkish stream does not work normally, and Turkey buys more and more Qatari gas through dumping. As a result, the new pipeline will not pay off in the foreseeable future, and may turn out to be completely unclaimed (they found a lot, VERY much gas in the Mediterranean Sea, and it may well replace the Russian one for the entire south of Europe).
- Nord Stream 1 operates at half its capacity.
- "Nord Stream-2" is not allowed to be completed, and its fate - a pitchfork on the water.
- "Power of Siberia" - the resource potential of the fields is in question.
- "Power of Siberia-2" is a very expensive undertaking for the sake of China in the context of the collapse of hydrocarbon prices and the constant reduction in the cost of LNG and the expansion of supplies and infrastructure for it.
As a result, Gazprom spent between $ 100 and $ 150 billion on its pipelines. and even the very recoupment of these projects is now under a BIG question. Not to mention the profit.
There is an obvious fact - we are being squeezed out of the hydrocarbon markets. And clinging with a stiff hand to something that (ultimately) cannot be held back ... just the whole complex of circumstances is against us ... instead of developing our own production, building a self-sufficient economy of a large / deep redistribution ...
In any case, for the same money, you can build additional gas-liquefying capacities and transport gas carriers to ANY buyer at a better price, it is better than being tied with a pipe to one that will twist your hands with the price, like a monopoly consumer.
But with agriculture, something is happening, and exports are growing, and not all of the land has been put into circulation yet.

[Ded_Mazay]

Hmm

"Nord Stream 1"
Design capacity - 55 billion m³ per year
At the end of 2018 - 58.8 billion cubic meters - 106.9% of the design capacity.
At the end of 2019 - 58.5 billion cubic meters - 106.4% of the design capacity.
So what did you say there about "working at half capacity"?

And the rest of your "analytics" is at about the same "level".

[bayard]

Have you heard today's news?
From the European Parliament?
Do you think they will let us finish building the SP-2?

And what about the Turkish Stream?
Turkey has reduced purchases several times.
And it builds up only from Qatar, which it saved from S. Arabia and now receives payment in kind for dumping.

You yourself know about the Power of Siberia, everything is "ambiguous" there too.
But the saddest thing is that the gas price has fallen dramatically and is not going to win back. On the contrary, more and more gas fields are being discovered.
And it's getting closer to Europe.
In the same Eastern Mediterranean.
Iran's gigantic gas reserves can also enter the markets at any time ...
These are realities and they must be taken into account even in the medium term.

So what's wrong with my analytics?
The fact that the 50% restriction from SP-1 has been lifted for two years?
But they REMAIN as solutions, and are removed as temporary (one-time) exceptions to the rules.
What do you think, in the light of recent events in the European Parliament, what is the future in Gazprom's plans in Europe?
And do not think that I am gloating.
It is just that some problems may have very different solutions than those that are being taken.
The solution to the "Ukrainian question" would be much cheaper and would bring many more bonuses than just maintaining reliable gas transit. Much more .
The creation of new gas liquefying capacities (not only in the Arctic and St. Petersburg) and LNG shipping ports would probably cost less than pipelines (though with gas carriers, prices would probably equalize), but then there would be complete freedom in LNG supplies to any consumer.
But the decline in world prices for hydrocarbons is ruining all plans of the Russian Federation for the status of an energy superpower. And then it will only get worse and more difficult - our "partners" will definitely take care of this.
So is it worth investing in more and more new pipes if future deliveries on them will not even pay off their construction?
Maybe you should invest in your own economy?
... Although what I mean ... it's so ... out of date ... not fashionable ...

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: bayard

Do you think they will let us finish building the SP-2?

So you think that Berlin will let the Brussels bureaucracy bend itself? Did I understand you correctly?

[bayard]

If the European bureaucrats were on their own, I would not take it so seriously, but the United States and England are pressing on Berlin, and the European Parliament has just caved in. There is also ferment in the German parliament on the same topic, and very, very radical - Rahr in general already considers the current situation a catastrophe, and he is well aware of German affairs.
There is now a struggle ... but already a rearguard - on the retreat. Therefore, with a high degree of probability, SP-2 will be hacked to death. And even SP-1 may be questionable.
What collective Europe is now carrying is SUCH nonsense that it cannot be called a declaration of war. And the economy in such cases ALWAYS fades into the background - there is a POLITICAL DECISION.
And this is already a fact.

And this could have been discerned and measures had been foreseen much earlier, but ... the interests of corporations won out over common sense.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: bayard

the USA and England are pressing on Berlin

Anyone can press, but the fact is that this is exactly the case when "choosing between shame and war - shame, you get both shame and war." If Berlin surrenders JV2, it will thereby demonstrate its bankruptcy as the informal political leader of the EU.

[bayard]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

... If Berlin surrenders SP2, it will thereby demonstrate its failure

Yes, and I, as it were, for his viability. But the Anglo-Saxons have always broken the Deutsches. And the Germans remember that.
You must always prepare for the worst.
Didn't you believe in due time that hydrocarbons will become cheaper?
That many new gas fields will be discovered, and LNG will still compete with pipe gas?
That Europe, despite its obvious benefits of cooperation with Russia and the unprofitability of its confrontation, despite its obvious military weakness and insulting inequality on the part of the United States and Great Britain ... despite the mortal threat of a new global war, where it will become the main theater of operations and simply disappear as a political phenomenon. .. With the stubbornness of a madman, he will continue to click trouble and challenge Russia to a "mortal battle" to the last European ... for some "values" ...

THEY WILL ALWAYS AGREE AGAINST US.
This is the nature of the West.
It was possible in June 1941 to broadcast as much as one wanted about the "benefits of cooperation" and "the horrors of the previous war", about the "friendship of peoples" and the selfish interests of business ...
BUT THE WAR WAS INEVITABLE.

... When at the end of 1941 the United States imposed sanctions on Japan, they knew very well that THIS was a DECLARATION OF WAR.
And now they know it very well.
And you ?
Do you know?

[CSKA]

Quote: bayard

As a result, Gazprom spent between $ 100 and $ 150 billion on its pipelines.

))))) Where did you get these numbers from?

[bayard]

At Martsenkevich's.

[CSKA]

Quote: bayard

At Martsenkevich's.

Do you mean Maksim Martsenkevich?

[bayard]

At Boris.
And not only .

[CSKA]

Quote: bayard

At Boris.
And not only .

The fact that someone wrote something there and took a figure from the ceiling does not mean that it is so. What is 100-150 if Northern molasses is the first and second in total, according to various estimates, from 17-20, half of which are paid by EU companies. Turkish cost 7. The power of siberia together with related infrastructure projects 50.

[bayard]

Quote: CSKA

Turkish at 7 cost

Did you count it from Novorossiysk?
And up to Novorossiysk, the entire highway, piping and infrastructure?
From the deposit?
The projects you listed, together with the accompanying infrastructure, are OFFICIALLY estimated at about $ 100 billion. And unofficially, taking into account unaccounted and unreported expenses - up to 150 billion (the entire project of the Power of Siberia is estimated at one and a half times higher than the named one). But this is of course an expert opinion, not an accounting statement. So we will consider official spending at $ 100 billion.
And the fact that this is not only budget spending, but also loans, the situation does not change - loans will be paid according to the payment schedule and, moreover, with interest.
And all these projects will not reach their design capacity very soon (except for SP-1). And gas prices fell VERY strongly and there are no upward trends in the future - on the contrary, its proven reserves are growing and LNG delivery is getting cheaper.
The dream of an energy superpower is slowly but steadily being covered by an aluminum basin.
But solving the "Ukrainian question" in 2014 was much cheaper.
And there would be no need to pull the bypass pipelines against everyone.
And the funds saved only on this would be quite enough for those "National Projects" for which they still cannot find money.
Just the above amount.
Stalin built the Soviet Economy based on internal forces, for he knew that there were enemies around. He built the AUTARKIA.
And he built the Great Country.
Without OIL and GAS for export.
And our sun-faced, having gigantic profits at the peak of oil and gas prices, managed to get everything down the PIPE. And almost literally.
It seems that they have a pipe - the meaning of life ...

[Alexey from Perm]

So we are these poor ... for our money another Miller obser ... or are you from another country?

[Ded_Mazay]

Personally, Miller did not borrow money from me for the construction of the gas station. And what, borrowed from you and did not return?

[Roman13579]

Yes, exactly .. Miller from the moon brought this money for the construction of the GP ..))
"Well, stupid" (c)

[Ded_Mazay]

PS By the way, you were not interested in the hour, how are they doing there in the budget of the Russian Federation 2.6 trillion. "your" rubles listed by Gazprom for 2019?

[Alexey from Perm]

in my opinion there is not enough money that Miller and his friends put into their pockets

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

to my mind

Extremely "convincing" and "concrete" argument.

[Alexey from Perm]

it would be strange if in my comment I expressed someone else's opinion

[Ded_Mazay]

Opinion must be based on facts. At least this should be the goal. And if there are no facts, then this is not an "opinion", it is "speculation".

[Alexey from Perm]

The bonuses and salaries of Miller and his accomplices are known, and this is a fact, not speculation, I express my opinion that they get too much and I really do not like it. So very clear, agree?

[Ded_Mazay]

Against the background of tax deductions and dividends paid to the budget by his office, there is a very sluggish reason for dissatisfaction.

[Roman13579]

his office

Firstly, not to them personally .. but to the office .. These are hundreds of thousands of people !! And it's Miller and his accomplices who row.
Secondly - "it" she became as a result of what, tell me ??

[demo]

The construction cost was initially estimated at 800 billion rubles, but in 2018 it was revised to 1,1 trillion rubles. The total cost of infrastructure projects related to the gas pipeline (in particular, field development, construction of a gas processing plant) is estimated at between $ 55 billion and $ 70 billion.

In May 2014, the project was given a new impetus in connection with the signing of a 30-year contract for the supply of gas to China between Gazprom and CNPC. According to the contract, 38 billion cubic meters of gas should be supplied annually. The total amount of the contract is $ 400 billion. At the same time, as reported, Gazprom should have received from CNPC an advance payment for gas in the amount of $ 25 billion, which was supposed to be used for the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. However, in the future Gazprom refused prepaymentin order not to reduce the price of gas planned for delivery via the pipeline.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8

It is planned that in At least 2020 billion cubic meters of gas will be supplied to China in 5, in 2021 - 10 billion, in 2022 - 15 billion cubic meters of gas, reaching the design capacity in 2025.
In December 2019, Gazprom supplied 328 million cubic meters to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. m of gas.
As of May 27, 2020, the volume of Russian gas supplies to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline exceeded the first 1 billion cubic meters, according to the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of Russia.

So at whose expense is the banquet?

[Ded_Mazay]

Did you see the word "intended"? Or did it get "between your eyes"?

[demo]

I have not seen this word.
I saw the word - it was planned.
And I also saw the initial figure of 800 billion rubles, and then the second figure of 1.1 trillion rubles.
He also remembered that before the start of construction, the Program for Gasification of Siberia and the Russian Far East had been adopted.
Where the tasks were set to stretch the network gas to those places that never saw it.
And in the process of implementation they simply "forgot" about it.
I recommend watching an interview with Shtyrov, a senator, the former head of Yakutia.

Don't pay attention to words. You are looking at the essence.
A certain gentleman has been sending messages to the people of Russia for 20 years in a row. But no one believes him.
And there are words! Do not count.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

Or are you not interested in such subtleties, the main thing for you is to criticize?

we want to conquer the cosmos, as we brought up in childhood

[The popuas]

Two half-empty is one full

[Blanket]

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

Then why and the first one - look who owns the construction company.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

the more we pull, the more we cut. Movement is everything, the result is nothing

[sustav75]

There will be no better times for Putin and his friends! They need to have time to grab now, at least something! What gasification of Eastern Siberia are we talking about? If only taking into account the fact that we have no forests left in Siberia! All were taken out to China. There will soon be nothing to heat the stoves in the villages! Then yes! Millerovo gas is our assistant ...

[Vadim237]

There will be enough forest for another 1000 years at the current rate of deforestation, and a new one is planted in tens of thousands of hectares a year.

[sustav75]

I live in the area of ​​Bratsk. And I see it all with my own eyes! Thieves cut down the entire forest in direct accessibility for technology! And about planting seedlings, you have seen enough of Russia-24 channels! On Google and Yandex maps, you can see terrible bald spots, wastelands! Trains with carriages full of round timber with pine and spruce are constantly running! And this has been for decades! At all dead ends, the owners are Chinese mixed with our thieves! So, don't la la ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

a new one is planted in tens of thousands of hectares a year.

Vadik, is it possible with numbers? Where the forest is planted, in what quantities, and the ratio of plantings to felling. Or do you, as usual, blurt out in support of the authorities, and in the bushes?

[nnm]

I'll tell you from my own experience. When the felling is officially carried out, the compensation is transferred to the forestry (I don't remember the correct name) and only then the project is approved. How much they plant a year, I think you can find on the Internet

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: nnm

and only then the project is approved.

Well, you know how our projects are "coordinated".

[Roman13579]

You don't have to search ..
I just saw how it was sawed and taken out .. And so that tens / hundreds of people walked from morning to evening, saplings stuck in - I did not even see something like that in YouTube ..))

[Vadim237]

Bad means looking for.

[Vadim237]

"The total areas of restored forests in the Krasnoyarsk Territory have grown over the past year," Governor of the region Alexander Uss told reporters during the National Forest Forum in Krasnoyarsk.

“The volume of planted forest planting material has been increased by 20% per year and we intend to double these volumes in the next three years,” he said. By the way, earlier Uss stated that the destruction of forests from fires and pests cannot be compensated for by the existing volumes of reforestation.

Mikhail Zakhlystin, deputy head of the reforestation organization department of the Ministry of Forestry of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, clarified: if in 2017 53 thousand hectares were planted, then last year there were already about 70 thousand hectares of forest. “Both figures include the results of not only artificial, but also natural reforestation. At the same time, natural reforestation, without human participation, predominates to a large extent, ”he said.

As the representative of the regional Ministry of Forestry Svetlana Gorokhova noted at the forum, “by 2024 the volume of reforestation should grow to 156 thousand hectares”. Meanwhile, Zakhlystin said that in the future it is planned to achieve 100% reforestation every year.

“The Krasnoyarsk Territory has already joined the Federal Forest Conservation Program. This program aims to achieve 2024% annual reforestation after deforestation and forest fires by 100. And it doesn't matter how much forest will be cut down and burned in a year. The restoration must be complete, ”said a representative of the regional Ministry of Forestry.

Reforestation in the Krasnoyarsk Territory is carried out only with coniferous species. “Deciduous trees are not economically valuable species for the region. In addition, they themselves are perfectly restored. They do not need artificial cultivation, ”Zakhlystin explained.
Now the region is fully self-sufficient with seedlings and seeds. There are 30 forest nurseries on its territory. About 29,6 million seedlings of pine, cedar, spruce, larch are grown annually, part of the production of regional nurseries goes to other regions. "As for the numbers, the total timber reserves in Russia are about 82 billion m3, of which 81,3 billion m3 - reserves of the country's forest fund.
In the forest fund of the Russian Federation, there are 329,8 million hectares of forests that can be exploited. In 2017, about 198 million m3 of industrial roundwood was harvested in Russia. This year, we launched a monitoring program using UAVs for the entire forest fund.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

Governor of the region Alexander Uss told reporters about it.

You would be wondering who you are linking to! It was he who declared that it is not profitable to extinguish forests! There is nowhere to be branded from corruption scandals.
Vadik - the figures of the hectares of forest cut down, and hectares of planted hectares?

[Vadim237]

Well, he personally is not involved in the reforestation program - he is just aware of its implementation - but to be engaged in extinguishing all fires in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East every summer is really an expensive and even dangerous business for the firefighters themselves, because the areas are huge and this requires airplanes and helicopters as well as troops for extinguishing fires in the taiga, because the turntable can sit in few places, you need to extinguish fires that form in settlements, all fires cannot be extinguished.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, he is not personally involved in the reforestation program.

Quote: Ingvar 72

You would be wondering who you are linking to!

he is engaged in arson of forests

[parusnik]

At the beginning of 18, Petr Alekseevich issued a decree on who would be engaged in industrial planting of forests, grow trees for the fleet, and money and eternal nobility, the decree lasted until October 1917, during which time not a single application was submitted. The felling is now going faster, so that the planted seedlings do not have time to grow.

[Vadim237]

In 400 years, they will have time to grow four times before the previous ones cut everything down, and in the distant future, the wood itself may not be obtained by deforestation, but by the industrial cultivation of the wood material itself. Now, for example, they have learned to grow meat in a test tube and are preparing for mass production of this method.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Vadim237

There will be enough forest for another 1000 years at the current rate of deforestation, and a new one is planted in tens of thousands of hectares a year.

And oxygen? Siberian forests are the lungs of the planet!

[Vadim237]

And oxygen? Siberian forests are the lungs of the planet! There are more forests in Brazil than in Russia, and in 100 years more than I am sure mankind will no longer have to cut wood to grow wood material on an industrial scale, like meat from crops and other not plants but the product itself.

[Roman13579]

in 100 years, I am more than sure mankind will no longer have to cut wood

Apple trees will bloom on Mars .. 60 years have passed, by the way .. since the day everyone was sure of it ..
Trees were sawed 100 years ago, and now they are sawing only more .. so far, there is no point in talking about recession ..

woody material to be grown commercially like meat

True, this is not quite the same meat .. and its quality is so-so ..
"Wood" printed on a 3D printer will never become a tree either ..

[Vadim237]

True, this is not quite that meat .. and its quality is so-so .. You haven’t even tried it - but you already declare something and yes the meat remains meat because the process of formation and growth of mass is absolutely the same as in animals.

[Sacrifus]

The lungs of the planet are an ocean, it has long been proven!

[demo]

It is necessary to cut the forest.
I started working with the forest about 25 years ago.
When the forest reaches its ripeness, then it must be cut down. Otherwise, it will turn into a source of fires and pollution.
And it is not a fact that the forest ready for felling is in the vicinity or in a convenient place.
Then it is necessary to build timber roads. And this is money.
Nobody wants to spend them.
And as a result of the fact that the forest was "shaved" in convenient places, processes begin that lead to floods.
The forest takes up to 70% of the moisture that falls out in the form of precipitation.
There is no forest, and moisture flowed into rivulets, those into rivulets, and those into rivers.
And then Amur drowns Komsomolsk and other settlements.
One only reassures that those ghouls who cut down the forest, and those who gave such permission, suffer on an equal basis with everyone.
Although, it would be better if they, together with their relatives, were simply washed into the sea.

[private person]

They need to have time to grab now, at least something!

Do you think that in 20 years they have not grabbed much? And why should they grab something when everything belongs to them and they are not going to give something back. Vaughn and rewrote the Constitution for themselves.

[Lexus]

Rats have no sense of proportion at all.

[private person]

Rats have no sense of proportion at all.

The rat is a very dangerous and cunning rodent.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: lexus

Rats have no sense of proportion at all.

No Lesch, they are not rats, they are a colonial government that very competently and successfully fulfills its tasks. Look, the recommendations of the IMF are being implemented, allegedly conspiracy plans to degrade and stupefy the population are being carried out. If we take Hitler's plan "Ost" as an example, then the current government works almost exactly according to the goals indicated there. True, they declare goals alone, but it turns out quite another. It is convenient for them to write off everything on "they wanted the best, it turned out as always", and pretend to be fools. At most, the president will stomp his feet, shake his finger, and transfer the guilty to another department. No Alexey, this is intention, evil talented, directed, like the doctrine of Alain Dales, to the destruction of the Russian people.

[Lexus]

Igor, they harm by incitement - this suggests that they are trained.

[parusnik]

[B]

this suggests that they are trained. [

/b / ... you are wrong, this is a new look ..

[aybolyt678]

Quote: lexus

Rats have no sense of proportion at all

if a rat is implanted with an electrode in the pleasure center in the brain, and a button is shown, it will press the button to death. The source of pleasure for the "Elite" is immense power and money. And our sense of proportion, they do not know, they will press any buttons, they will bring the people to the grave, cut them down at the root of the forest, but will expand the source of pleasure.

[And why do you need]

Quote: private person

They need to have time to grab now, at least something!

Do you think that in 20 years they have not grabbed much? And why should they grab something when everything belongs to them and they are not going to give something back. Vaughn and rewrote the Constitution for themselves.

What do you mean why? For 20 years the children have grown up, (daughters-in-law, sons-in-law) have appeared grandchildren. What can they live on?

[Roman13579]

everything belongs to them and they are not going to give something

Lukashenka wasn't going to either ..
Sooner or later, people will come for theirs anyway !!
Well, in general, this is, of course, a disease .. sitting on the throne for dozens of years .. receiving billions .. and will not calm down .. Here any clinic is powerless .. and we all choose and choose as shepherds ..))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Olgovich

Moreover, the Power of Siberia1 is already working there.

Something is not heard about specific pumpings on it. Yes, there is a pipe, but what does it pass through itself?

[tralflot1832]

Too lazy to look. I will give 4.6 billion for 19 years. For 20 years the plan is 10 billion.

[hrych]

Here the Russian Federation, represented by Gazprom, received a large advance payment for construction from the PRC, represented by CNPC. With regards to the First Power of Siberia. Those. including gasification of our Siberia and Transbaikalia is underway, incl. and at the expense of the Chinese. They offered more, on account of future gas, but ours refused. For some reason, some irresponsible persons accused that gas would go to the Chinese at a cheap price, but analysts point to the profitability of this contract, the prices of which practically do not differ from the average European ones.

[sustav75]

The cost of gas for the Chinese partners was specially classified! What other analysts are damn it? Those that promised to launch Nord Stream 2 by 2019? Don't make people laugh!

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

Do not make people laugh!

I, like you, a sofa expert and am not afraid of this word. Non-sofa experts are now assembling the planetary craft and the doomsday torpedo. Also build the Power of Siberia. They have no time to chat and they are sealed with obligations to preserve the State Secret. Therefore, I use open sources, and if these sources told me this, then why should I be afraid to believe some anonymous commentator with a low rating, who doesn't like something and is always unhappy

[sustav75]

But you are always happy! Rating pancake is not anonymous! I rarely come here! But one thing makes me happy! This is that there are fewer and fewer bastards like you, licking thieves and talkers, even on sites like this one! And it's really cool ...

[hrych]

Quote: sustav75

But you are always happy!

And why should I be unhappy when there is a parallel gasification of the country, moreover, districts remote from the center? Why should I be unhappy if money is earned on free gas for the country? If many thousands of our citizens are involved in construction and receive salaries, should I be against it? With regards to the site, it was a big mistake to remove the flags of the countries, so it was flooded with bloggers from the Independence Square and the Israelis. Therefore, as expected, comments became critical in relation to the achievements of our technology and simply the State system. Also, the country's flag was a feature of the site. But, as they say, the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on. Those. The Crimean bridge was built, the Power of Siberia is being built, Peresvet and Dagger are on experimental combat duty, and Poseidon and Petrel are going through the final part of the tests. The Russian Federation defended its integrity, achieved Control of the Caucasian ridge, seized bridgeheads in the Transcaucasus, captured Crimea, the Syrian shelf and Donbass will be ours. Do not you like it? You're not happy? And I am happy and glad that you are unhappy And what's the point of lousy commentators?

[snake]

Quote: hrych

If many thousands of our citizens are involved in construction and receive salaries, should I be against it?

Well ... not exactly our citizens ... and not quite getting ...
At the Amur plant of Gazprom, 300 workers staged a pogrom.
https://www.rbc.ru/society/13/07/2020/5f0c55d49a79475f36cce982

[hrych]

These are daishaks in disguise, they repainted their white helmets

[snake]

Well no. These are your fellow citizens, in your own words, are involved and receive a salary. You are Uzbek, you bastard. Salaam Alaikum!

[hrych]

These are low-skilled specialists, mixing concrete, etc. Design, control of construction and maintenance of networks - specialists with education, of course, the overwhelming majority of Russians. The production of large-diameter pipes, gas turbines, etc. are assembled in our factories, where from engineers to workers are our citizens. So what? Well, go mix the concrete yourself, drip with a shovel and sweep the garbage if you like. Nobody forbids. Therefore, there are specially trained guest workers for this.

[snake]

Quote: hrych

The design, construction control and maintenance of the networks are specialists with education, of course, the overwhelming majority of Russians.

Maybe so, but how many are those specialists in percentage terms? After all, you stuttered about the "many thousands" of jobs for our citizens?

Quote: hrych

The production of large-diameter pipes, gas turbines, etc. are assembled in our factories, where from engineers to workers are our citizens.

Is that correct? Or is there again low-skilled work done by Uzbeks like you?

[hrych]

Quote: serpent

stuttered about "many thousands" of jobs for our citizens

There are many thousands, in factories for the production of pipes, valves, gas turbines, electrical appliances, cables, pipe layers, drilling rigs, etc. For pipe maintenance, at gas distribution stations from operators to other technical personnel. The pipe runs through half of the country, you just have imagination and apparently lack of knowledge to understand what this industry is and what is required to maintain this industry, etc. Well, okay, there is no time. Go get somebody else.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

Well, okay, no time. Go get somebody else.

you directly infect me with your optimism but the question is: is this modern technology? this is the last century in my mind of course. Where are the breakthroughs in science here? where is the social progress? I understand we are buying time, but are we losing it too?

[Vadim237]

Progress in science and technology here and here

[Vadim237]

It seems like the contractor threw these guys on the grandmother.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

If many thousands of our citizens are involved in construction and receive salaries, should I be against it?

in 1951, Stalin refused to build an oil and gas pipeline to representatives from the CMEA countries, saying that it would spoil them, that the infrastructure did not develop during the construction of pipelines and that this was not included in the development plan of the Soviet Union.
How can you rejoice in pipes? I would be happy if we would drag the best scientists and technologists to Russia, create conditions for our own ... but here the opposite is true.

[hrych]

Stalin is not an absolute authority. For giving the PRC to Uyguria and Manchuria and actually donating the technology for producing nuclear weapons, this siskin should have been impaled. What are the oil pipelines, if the deposits of Western Siberia were opened after the death of Stalin, and the deposits of the Volga region only began to be developed in the post-war period. Then there was no surplus of oil in the USSR.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

For giving the PRC to Uyguria and Manchuria

do you miss Uyghur Islamists in Russia?

Quote: hrych

actually donated nuclear weapons production technology

but the Chinese respect and honor him Khrushchev even offered the Chinese Stalin's coffin to Beijing at the congress of fraternal parties, for which he received a demarche. With the right policy, we would be one country.

Quote: hrych

Then there was no surplus of oil in the USSR.

information I have taken from Katasonov's book "Stalin's Economics" somewhere in the fifties. so sorry

[hrych]

In Russia, taking into account the Crimea, the LDNR and the outflow from the rest of Ukraine, the Slavic population of the Russian Federation will reach 90%, and by unification with White Russia it will take away for 90%. Mono-ethnicity is a guarantee of state stability. Why the hell do we become minorities among the Maoists? It was necessary to create the Uyghur People's Republic and the Manchurian People's Republic, such as the Mongolian People's Republic. Why is the Mongolian People's Republic bad for you? Even a common border with the PRC would not exist. Stalin was sure that the PRC would burn in the furnace of the world revolution during the Korean War. He said so openly, after the Second World War, that Russians are not suitable as "the firewood of the world revolution", but an oriental person is more suitable. But he died and immediately the war ended, Korea was divided, etc. Typical Marxist.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

that the Russians are not suitable as "the firewood of the world revolution", but an oriental person is more suitable.

stupid Chinese, they do not think so and are building their socialism, without firewood

[hrych]

The Chinese are very smart, just the party members have become billionaires and that's all, or rather their wives and kids. And the majority of the population is in poverty and many (many in China are hundreds of millions) do not have social security at all, in a socialist state. Otherwise, they destroyed the soil, created rotting backwaters with cascades of dams, and by adopting the world production of semiconductors, they poisoned the water, the soil, the air and the Chinese. And so, everything is fine. The wrong side however. They give birth to children with defects every year, just like all of us are born. Those. for each of our children, ur ... invalid is born there. Over the past twenty years, ugliness has grown by 40%. The policy of one family - one child, has led to the fact that young men are now a hundred million more young women (in infancy they were in a rag and in a ditch). In extreme poverty in China, like our population. The Gobi Desert is growing due to the predatory deforestation. Every year it increases by 3,6 thousand square kilometers. Well, so on. And so, a socialist paradise and nothing more. We hate their happiness.

[And why do you need]

Captured Crimea? Is it like this? Maybe joined after the referendum?

[Deniska999]

She is not the first to be loaded in full force ...

[Civil]

Hooray! Happiness is what raw materials to sell to Geyrope) This is Victory!

[maykl8]

We need to gasify our own, but with China, for now, perhaps, we can wait - until the time of better, higher prices.

Gasification must be PROFITABLE.

[Livonetc]

It would be an honor to be offered, but it will grow, but there will be an inexpensive, efficient and relatively environmentally friendly energy resource.

[voyaka uh]

How Miller got out of an embarrassing situation when it turned out
that there was little gas in the fields of Power of Siberia-1?
Did you fire the officials who deceived the management from Gazprom?
Or was everyone there?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: voyaka uh

Or was everyone there?

In the share. All modern projects are for the sake of cutting money. They have no economic effect.

[tralflot1832]

Stop lying, deal with your Goliath. This is not the province of Israel.

[Vadim237]

"That there was little gas in the fields of Power of Siberia-1." There was a lot of gas there, just the field was not fully explored - if you are talking about the RBC article.

[hagen]

If China did not support the Power of Siberia, would the large-scale gasification of Eastern Siberia and the Far East be called into question?

It was exactly so. The pipe is expensive. It begins to justify itself when large-scale volumes of gas are pumped through it. And since there are not many domestic consumers in the Far East, only export can act as the main "locomotive". At the same time, this project will save the main feeding artery of Lake Baikal, which is also not bad at all.

[yfast]

Then we will build SP-3, then Power of Siberia-3, then SP-4, etc. Until the Putin and Millers run out.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, how many of you are here, how to vote on the amendments to the constitution! What do you have against Putin VV and his subordinates?

[Vadim237]

Most likely, this will be the last gas pipeline going to another country for export - then Gazprom will switch to increasing the production of hydrogen and LNG.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

then Gazprom will switch to increasing the production of hydrogen and LNG.

Which will also be exported. But when the settlement of Mezhdurechensk will be provided with gas, and Vadik? They will not gasify (it is officially gasified), but will they provide? The entire (!) Private sector sits on firewood and electricity, and this is actually about 300 houses. And the main gas pipeline is nearby.
The whole country is like one Mezhdurechensk, but as always you will repeat about the unprofitability of gasification of your own population. Maybe it's enough to lie and lick the authorities, which are quietly killing the country? The country in which you also live, Vadik?

[Vadim237]

But when the settlement of Mezhdurechensk will be provided with gas, and Vadik? - Ask these questions to the local administration and regional municipalities. Almost everything in the Volgograd region is gasified.

[GRIGORIY76]

The Power of Siberia is not working halfway. Why build this? Well, yes, friends from childhood.

[Free wind]

Things seem to be bad with the power of Siberia, because there was not enough gas. Therefore, they will urgently pull the branch from the Yamal. But there may not be enough gas for all these flows, and for the lng plant. Projection is bearing fruit.

[antivirus]

you go to figs, you can not see do not zgi.
working conditions are not much better in the steppes, especially in winter.
we are building northern China for ourselves, bypassing western

[Connor MacLeod]

The demand for gas is growing! The main thing is to solve all these shirli-myrls with SP-2 and with the Balkan Stream, and then it will be possible to look to the Future with confidence! How many gas reserves does Russia have? For 300 years ahead in my opinion, right?

[Connor MacLeod]

Well, it's not really global warming from coal and oil! Gas is the energy of the XXI century!

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Connor MacLeod

Well, it's not really global warming from coal and oil! Gas is the energy of the XXI century!

Well, coal and oil are also widely used in the chemical industry, etc.
So let's stay in positive territory and huge ..

[sustav75]

And then Mongolia will remember that it rocked Russia for 300 years! And it will include Ukraine-2 for transit! And Putin will twist his hands! Whereas?!

[Fungus]

Putins are Russians, as I understand it. Whose will you be?

[sustav75]

Putintsy are Millers, Sechins, Grefs, Rotenbergs and Chubais! Russians! If you like! And we will be Russian! I have not offended right now, anyone with the word Russian? Articles for Russianness have not yet come up with?

[Alf]

Quote: sustav75

Have you yet come up with articles for Russianness?

282 Art of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. For inciting ethnic hatred.

[sustav75]

Are Russians a nationality? Or how? Well, Putin seems to be a Russian! Yeltsin is a drunk too Russian! Already the nationality has turned out.

[Alf]

Quote: sustav75

Well, Putin seems to be a Russian! Yeltsin is a drunk too Russian! Already the nationality has turned out.

No, those who live in the Kremlin are one nationality, and those who live BEYOND the Wall are completely different, that's why the 282nd was written for her, so that no one would dare to openly say that he is Russian.

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: sustav75

Putintsy are Millers, Sechins, Grefs, Rotenbergs and Chubais! Russians! If you like! And we will be Russian! I have not offended right now, anyone with the word Russian? Articles for Russianness have not yet come up with?

I'll tell you so, you're yelling in the wrong steppe ..Like you like here)))))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

LOOKED !!!!
supply gas to everyone, part of the country is heated with FIREWOOD

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

LOOKED !!!!
supply gas to everyone, part of the country is heated with FIREWOOD

Here is another guardian for Russia
Like he himself lives and stokes the stove with wood ..?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

but like I'm drowning, not sand of course - a boiler, but still with firewood

[poquello]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but like I'm drowning, not sand of course - a boiler, but still with firewood

the same type of house? or in the country?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

tried to pin up ?!
it turned out stupid and most importantly without knowledge of the topic
so, after all, at home, I will tell you a terrible secret, in the Kaliningrad region there are MULTIPLE-APARTMENT houses with stove heating
I live in the countryside myself

[poquello]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

tried to pin up ?!

no, I didn’t believe it, well, you have a circle of firewood makers along the way, I sympathize

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, I don't give a damn, believe it or not, the fact is that it's true, I live here, unlike you

[bar]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

One pipe is half empty, why another one will be needed?

They wrote:

the launch of the Power of Siberia - 2 project will allow to combine gas transmission mains of the western and eastern parts of the country into a single network

Gas from Yamal will be pumped to China instead of Europe. Maybe that's why SP-2 was stopped.

[Connor MacLeod]

the launch of the Power of Siberia - 2 project will allow to combine gas transmission mains of the western and eastern parts of the country into a single network

This is cool by the way! It only remains to connect Turkmenistan, Qatar and Iran to this gas transmission system, and in general everything will be magical!

[Fungus]

Great news. Extra money in the budget will not hurt.

[sustav75]

Yes! Yes! We'll tighten the belt a little more, throw on some retirement age! And we will last! Not a pipe, but legs!

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: sustav75

Yes! Yes! We'll tighten the belt a little more, throw on some retirement age! And we will last! Not a pipe, but legs!

Yes, cry for heaven's sake about pensions and roads. ..And Russia is moving forward! These are new jobs and new technologies in the development of Siberia and the Far East .. Everything will pay off a hundredfold in the future ..

[rocket757]

Attention is drawn to the fact that the gasification of regions in our country is most often referred to in relation to the implementation of projects for the supply of gas abroad. If China did not support the Power of Siberia, would the large-scale gasification of Eastern Siberia and the Far East be called into question?

National property, tyry pyry raspers!
You cannot answer the right questions for those who are experienced, they have dissociated themselves from the people by their ranks of servants.
What to do?

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: rocket757

What to do?

Well, go out to the marsh with white tape ...
What are you sold out Victor! Father's candle factory was taken away in the past, or what ..?

[rocket757]

Ha, again, but what about Janus many-sided? not tired ...

[rocket757]

Come on, you are a local, big-headed detective ...
The writing style needs to be changed, you will be recognized at one, two, three times by local regulars, repeats, standard.
So it's cool, especially when the caring ones begin to warn that they are hanging on to the fruit.
Okay, joke and that's enough.

[Undecim]

Miller reported to Putin on the start of construction of Power of Siberia - 2
Here are the scribblers - do not feed bread, let the crackling headline be stamped.
Nobody has started to build anything yet. And it is not known whether it will start. Started design and survey work on the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic.
Design and survey work - a set of works on conducting engineering surveys, developing feasibility studies for construction, preparing projects, working documentation, drawing up estimates for construction.
With China's position, everything is very vague. No Chinese investment has yet been agreed.
China is constantly reducing the consumption of pipeline gas and increasing the consumption of liquefied gas and its own production. Qatar Petroleum has placed orders for 100 LNG carriers at the shipyards of South Korea - most of them will go to the PRC.
By the way, Turkey has reduced the import of pipeline gas by 41% in six months, and increased the consumption of liquefied gas from Algeria and Qatar. The Turkish Stream is half empty. So the constant stories that gas from a pipe is cheaper than liquefied gas, to put it mildly, are far from reality.

[Undecim]

Less, as I understand it, are the employees of Gazprom. A little about Gazprom. In the first half of the year, the company's profit decreased 20 times, and the debt increased by 16%. So the minus should get ready for the gas price hike - after all, someone needs to save the company.

[Undecim]

panicky libertarian comment in your head. Mixed with turbopatriotic. I just wrote that the gas pipeline is not being built yet and it is unknown. will they build it or not. But chronic turbopatriotism strongly affects perception. All the best!

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Undecim

panicky libertarian comment in your head. Mixed with turbopatriotic. I just wrote that the gas pipeline is not being built yet and it is unknown. will they build it or not. But chronic turbopatriotism strongly affects perception. All the best!

Have a nice one you too ..

[tralflot1832]

With Qatar, with their contract for gas carriers with China, everything is simple. This is their plan Barbarossa and at the same time as with Liberty-class ships. Let's start with gas carriers in construction 16. Who went to sea on the Chinese, over 5 years old if there is a choice, they would better go for a 6 year old The plan is designed for a maximum of 5 10 years. Therefore, the contract costs 100 Hiley Likly gas carriers. The main blow to Australia's LNG with expensive gas. The second is under the distribution of the United States. We will also get it, but to a lesser extent. In addition to coastal China, there is Central China. China is driving from the Siberian forces. the pipeline is to the center and to the south. So the Chinese market has already divided itself on the basis of economic benefits. If this was a long-running project of Qatar, then they ordered gas carriers in South Korea. There are about 100 gas carriers in total 900 thousand, and that part is due to a drop in gas demand In the states, only one plant works a little more than 50%, the rest live on fines for refusing to receive cargo. Sabetta, by the way, does not stop, by the way, we have the cheapest LNG, harsh climate The Arctic helps. All my life I have worked in refrigeration plants, I know what I say. To liquefy gas, cold is needed. For reference in Sochi, a cube of gas is 6.61 rubles. You did not put any estimates.

[Nastia makarova]

in Sochi 6.43))))

[tralflot1832]

SNT 6.61. For me and kW. H 6 rubles in all different ways.

[Nastia makarova]

in one city, from one company we get gas how can it be different?

[tralflot1832]

Before the increase on August 1, it was 5 rubles, it became 61 rubles.

[Nastia makarova]

Why do I have 6.43 for September?

[ZVS]

They are in a hurry, in a hurry to sell the subsoil of Russia, and in fact the fund for future generations. And all this for the sake of one hundred richest families in Russia. For this, the deadlines for Putin were reset.

[Vadim237]

And "tomorrow" in 50 years thermonuclear energy will appear - gas, coal, as well as oil as a fuel for energy generation will begin to disappear into oblivion both in Russia and around the world.

[mark2]

And "tomorrow" in 50 years thermonuclear energy will appear - gas, coal, like oil as a fuel for energy generation, will begin to fade into oblivion both in Russia and around the world

Oops and here you guessed wrong. In the area of ​​the atom, the Russian Federation is ahead of the whole planet. ROSATOM is a monopolist and leader in reactor building.

[Vadim237]

And that this somehow changes the situation with the rejection of coal, oil and gas when thermonuclear energy appears and begins to spread around the planet - in Russia they are doing the same, and actively in 22 the most powerful laser installation will be launched in Sarov to obtain controlled thermonuclear fusion. While there is a demand for raw materials, it must be realized - because tomorrow this demand may no longer exist.

[ZVS]

Only and ... iot believes that hydrocarbons are needed only for energy production. Putin will leave future generations with nothing, and by doing so he will buy indulgences from the West, realizing Albright's dream that Russia's wealth belongs to the whole world.

[Vadim237]

"Only and ... iot believes that hydrocarbons are needed only for energy production." Apparently you do not know how to read again carefully read "Gas, coal, like oil as a fuel for energy generation, will begin to fade away" and no one claims that the demand for gas, oil and coal will drop to zero - it will sharply decrease due to its absence use as a fuel and yes from coal in 100 years in most countries will get rid of completely as an environmentally friendly product. And Russian gas will last for hundreds of years, however, as well as oil - no one knows exactly how oil appears, there are no exact formulas and descriptions of the processes.

[ZVS]

Anyone who believes that gas, oil and coal are needed only for energy is a complete fool. This is primarily a raw material for the production of industrial designs for various fields of application. apparently, besides the use of hydrocarbons in the energy sector, you have no idea what can be made of them.

[fruc]

This new export corridor, with a capacity of 50 billion cubic meters, will allow not only to supply Russian gas to the Asian market, but also open up new opportunities for gasification of Eastern Siberia and Transbaikalia.

Hmm, I doubt very much about the new features. What else to take out of the country?

[Odysseus]

This, of course, is absolutely enchanting news.
Having completely failed the construction of 3 gas pipelines, which, having fabulously enriched the contractors, will hang around the neck of Russia with a heavy weight for another dozen years, the thieves are starting the construction of the fourth!
But from the point of view of the gang that seized Russia, everything is correct - you need to pump out everything to the maximum while there is still an opportunity.

[Fungus]

Burning up? It's good. And what did you fail? The power of Siberia will reach full capacity in 2025. JV 2 left a little house. The Turkish stream is one pipe to Europe. Another to Turkey. So far, Azeri is being taken, but this is temporary. What failed is not clear. The Vlasovites always have farts burning from gas pipelines for some reason ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Fungus

The Vlasovites always have farts burning from gas pipelines for some reason ...

Vlasovites in the Kremlin. Over which the tricolor. They are building gas pipelines.

Quote: Fungus

And what did you fail? The power of Siberia will reach full capacity in 2025. SP 2 left a little house. The Turkish stream is one pipe to Europe. Another to Turkey. While Azeri is being taken, but this is temporary

1) Turkish Stream. Instead of 4 pipes, one. And that one is empty.
2) SP-2 Not built at all, and it is not known when it will be built. And in the finished form after the EU gas directive is not needed.
And for both, indemnities are paid to Ukraine and Poland.
3) SS. It's better with him, he is simply unprofitable and will never pay off.
You can familiarize yourself with the current indicators of Gazprom and its debts if you know how to use a search engine.

Quote: Fungus

Burning up? It's good.

The problem is that if the Millero-Putin-Chubais had to pay for these crimes, no one would be particularly upset.
However, the "top managers" of Gazprom live and will live in London, and Russia will pay and repent. To repent and pay will be Russia.

[Fungus]

In short, the drain is counted that 3 gas pipelines have failed. The Vlasovites are just against the gas pipelines. The Kremlin is FOR. Gazprom, like global companies, has also suffered from the pandemic. But not critical. Over time, gas consumption will rise again as will the price. So your whining is incomprehensible.

[Vadim237]

"SS. It's better with him, he's just unprofitable and will never pay off." Who told you that it won't pay off - that's who? "You can familiarize yourself with the current indicators of Gazprom and its debts if you know how to use a search engine" He has his own funds under 13 trillion rubles - so don't worry about him, he will definitely not go bankrupt - and everything that you listed in your writings is nothing more than shaking the air chatter of one day.

[Old partisan]

One team, one breakthrough.
And what do you call it?
Nobody needs the power of Siberia.
Let's throw in another 100500 lard and everyone will be happy at once.
In addition to the residents of the country of Russia.

[Vadim237]

"Nobody needs the power of Siberia." You don't need it - but China needs it, just like the Amur Gas Processing Plant and the Amur Gas Chemical Complex, which are now building products of which the whole world and Russia as well will need.

[iouris]

And the slogan of metallurgists: "Our strength is in swimming trunks!"

[bar]

Quote: Odyssey

Having completely failed the construction of 3 gas pipelines, which, having fabulously enriched the contractors, will hang around the neck of Russia with a heavy weight for another dozen years, the thieves are starting the construction of the fourth!

Duc is like an investment in the "fund for future generations." When the gas runs out, grateful descendants will cut these pipes, turn them over to ferrous metal and feed on that.

[iouris]

Quote: bar

grateful descendants will cut these pipes

There will be no descendants.

[Vadim237]

But where will they go in 100 years and beyond?

[fruc]

And the proceeds should be invested in US government bonds and taken offshore.

[Gray-haired Zinnik]

Does China need such volumes? IBD again? An imitation of Rough Activity?

[Vadim237]

China itself asked to build - and if he did not need it, no one would build it.

[Reserve buildbat]

I remember that in 2011 I was in a village on the border of the city of Obninsk. This is about 100 km from Moscow. And there is no gas in the village. I ask - how so? Can you spit it to Moscow right there? The guys explain that the local "rulers" have seen everything in the coffin and, apparently, are waiting for the metro to be dug to them.

[123456789]

Quote: bar

Gas from Yamal will be pumped to China instead of Europe.

From Yamal it is more expedient along the Northern Sea Route: at least to Europe, at least to China, at least to India. It's just that each event has at least two reasons:
Noble - gasification of Siberia, etc., etc. and
The real one - Rotenberg sold Stroygazmontazh (SGM) to Miller, becoming the Bridge Builder of All Russia. Here Miller and toil what SGM download. Next in line is the Bridge to Sakhalin.

[Dzafdet]

In our city, not all parts of the city are still supplied with gas, especially where there are low-rise buildings ... Miller, what country do you live in?

[7,62x54]

Gasification of Russia will begin in the Far East, when the Chinese begin to equip the territory abandoned by residents.

[rruvim]

Quote: hrych

And why should I be unhappy when there is a parallel gasification of the country, moreover, districts remote from the center?

170 km. from Moscow, 60 from Vladimir. Several villages, no gasification. Cylinders only.

[GUSAR]

Where is the sawmill!

[7,62x54]

... "Chinese Energy Minister Lu Jiang praised the cooperation between Gazprom and the China National Oil and Gas Corporation, which resulted in the commissioning of the Power of Siberia gas trunkline." We are very pleased with the cooperation with the Russian company. Thanks to Gazprom, we plan to supply gas all the villages in the country. Ten years ago we could not even dream of such a thing, but soon in a Chinese village there will not be a single peasant who uses firewood. I understand that for our friends from Russia, full gasification of villages is not something special, because they have large deposits that allow them to sell it to other countries, but for the PRC this is a great success, "Lu Jiang said ....
In the Russian Federation, gasification is only a dream. In the vaunted Krasnodar, many private houses are heated with solid fuel, and it's good if it's coal, not firewood. With the onset of cold weather in the city there is a smoke and a burnt smell.

[bobba94]

I read the comments and thought. How many disgruntled, protesters, indignant commentators ... ... write about the senselessness of construction, about sawing, the sad example of Nord Stream-2, etc. etc. I remembered the Baikal-Amur Mainline. This venture cost the country about $ 40 billion, now it is a burden for Russian Railways
(unprofitable). On the other hand, the budget of the Power of Siberia-2 is approximately 10-12 billion dollars, it is building, or rather, ordered and paid by the giant corporation Gazprom, pays from its own profits.

[Vadim237]

Yes, such a "burden" that Russian Railways is building the second Severomuisky tunnel on the Baikal Amur Mainline.

[Nastia makarova]

what kind of nonsense about BAM's burden? Russian Railways has now begun to invest and expand a lot of money in it

[cat Rusich]

They have not yet completed the construction of the SP-2 ... they started the Power of Siberia-2. First, we need to finally sort out the SP-2 - YES - it means we will finish building the USA in spite of it, NO - it means that we were "thrown over the Euro-thigh".

[Vadim237]

No one bothers Russia to build the power of Siberia 2 - and as for JV 2, it will definitely be completed, since Germany and other countries are interested in it, there is only 160 kilometers left to lay and then they will build themselves.

[cat Rusich]

Vadim

Quote: Vadim237

JV 2 will definitely be completed, since Germany and other countries are interested in it, there is nothing left to lay 160 kilometers and then they will build it themselves.

At the end of December 2019, 160 km remained, today on September 17.09.2020, 160 - 2020 km are left ... this year not a single meter (kilometer) has been laid yet, they promised to start gas in XNUMX ... Hope is the last to die.

[jetfors_84]

The country's chief gas fitter reports.

[modun]

on the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic. For a long time there is no state with such a name - there is Mongolia

[Mimino]

And he did not inform about the start of SP-2?

[anrykaluga]

I cannot understand one thing, such a salary is received by this manager and such management ... The Turkish stream is not filled, SP2 is in question, the courts are almost all lost, even in large cities new micro-districts (I'm talking about villages in the suburbs) do not have gas, I am silent villages ... Well, the federal gasification program is working and there is a sense in the village there is a gas pipeline and residents do not have the means to connect to it ... where does the pensioner get that kind of money ... ... No one is responsible for failed projects, it would be better if these funds were directed to defense (

[Vadim237]

Gazprom is not involved in connecting to houses - these are local offices, they also create projects, register, and so on. So the claims are clearly not to those.

[Tavi]

Quote: Olgovich

It is necessary to gasify its own,.

so there are 2 birds with one stone and kill. route for China and saturate the settlements along the route.