The Billion Euro Question: Germany Proposes a Deal to the US to Conserve Nord Stream 2

German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz has offered his United States counterpart Stephen Mnuchin a lucrative offer for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. First, it was done orally by telephone, and then backed up by an official letter.

This was reported today by the German newspaper Die Zeit.

The German government is "very concerned" about the threat of sanctions against companies involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

- says the publication.

The meaning of the proposal is that the German side undertakes to invest in the construction of two terminals for receiving American liquefied gas, and in return, the United States should lift sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

It is assumed that in this case the terminals will appear in the German ports of Wilhelmshaven and Brunsbuttel. The cost of their construction will amount to about one billion euros.

So far, nothing is known about the response of the US Treasury Department to Berlin's proposal.

On the other hand, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, demanded that the construction of the pipeline be stopped in connection with the incident with Alexei Navalny. In response, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov called unacceptable attempts to overly politicize a commercial project beneficial to both Russia and Europe:

This is a commercial project that is absolutely in line with the interests of both the Russian Federation and the EU countries. First of all, Germany.

The Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline under construction is designed to deliver natural gas from Russia to Germany along the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Initially, the completion of the project was scheduled for the end of last year, but the completion date had to be moved.

In fact, the German government has decided to speak in Trump's language, which, as we know, is the language of transactions. Moreover, in the Trump variant, the deals can be "good" and "bad". Which option the US president will choose for the one proposed by Berlin will be shown in the near future.

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[Livonetc]

"The meaning of the proposal is that the German side undertakes to invest in the construction of two terminals for receiving American liquefied gas, and in return, the United States should lift sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline."
In in.
And the Germans will allow the Americans to pump liquefied gas into gas carriers at the Sabetta terminal.

[Vend]

Ooooo, now that's it. The US will crush the Germans now. Americans should not be shown weak.

[KAV]

The meaning of the proposal is that the German side undertakes to invest in the construction of two terminals for receiving American liquefied gas, and in return, the United States should lift sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

Nuuu, the US proposal will definitely be ignored. It's not even a proposal. This is some kind of nonsense. Well, Germany will build terminals, but where are the guarantees that they will buy LNG from the United States? Of course they won't. They don't need nafik. This does not bribe the United States. And the goals of the United States are completely different from those that they are asked to achieve.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Totally agree with you! The Americans are not fools, but arrogant maximalists will approve of the construction of terminals (AFTER LONG-TERM GAS SUPPLY AGREEMENTS WITH THEM), but they will simply laugh at the "lifting of sanctions on SP-2".

[krot]

Shame on democracy !!! Buy freedom of choice for your country! USA is a parasite country.

[Livonetc]

Well, even before the unification of Germany, the Germans coped with the pressure from the United States regarding the construction of the gas pipeline.
I also remember how the sanctions were bypassed, "sanctioned" computers from Germany were purchased at the Main Computer Center of the USSR State Committee for Statistics.
Merkel is a very dodgy and experienced individual.
Watch the next act of this florid political ballet.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Livonetc

Germany offered the US a deal

In return, I'm afraid Trump will offer Merkel a nurse.

[Hermit]

Quote: Wend

The US will crush the Germans now. Americans should not be shown weak.

Exactly. And so it will be. In fact, Germany has decided to make concessions to the United States.

[mole]

Quote: Hermit

Quote: Wend

The US will crush the Germans now. Americans should not be shown weak.

Exactly. And so it will be. In fact, Germany has decided to make concessions to the United States.

Only after reading the article did I get the impression that a proposal for a "purely German" style did not fit, rather it was ripening in the depths of Gazprom.

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Wend

Ooooo, now that's it. The US will crush the Germans now. Americans should not be shown weak.

This is coming .. It's time for Merkel to see off her pension, the old woman shit on Germany ..
Although all this fuss since the days of the USSR! We didn't really believe then, but everything turned out to be true .. Here is the Krokodil magazine, as if today ..

Do you know the guys?

[kit88]

I'm somehow not quite in the subject.
And what will Poland or Lithuania say to this proposal? They seem to have already built their terminals and how would they not be overloaded with work?

[Hermit]

Quote: kit88

what will Poland or Lithuania say to this proposal?

Will someone ask them?

[fa2998]

In such matters, the "big guys" are not interested in the opinion of Lithuania and others. Although there is an idea! The terminal can not only be unloaded, but also loaded. So Russian gas is pumped in Germany to gas carriers - and sent to the same Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine (when transit will end). And their terminals with work, and on logistics we will save-the distance is close.

[halpat]

First, it was done orally by telephone, and then backed up by an official letter.

recalled an old joke about the director and the secretary:
At the end of the working day, by speakerphone.
- Helen, come to me ...
- Vasil Petrovich, I can't today ... I have a monthly report ...
- Come in, come in. Submit verbally and retroactively ...


So much for a sovereign / independent Germany.

[tralflot1832]

The Germans can only allow themselves to buy gas from Sabetta. And we will allow the Americans to take Sabetta gas from the Novotekov gas carriers near the island of Kildin, it is at the exit from the Kola Bay on the right. There is another option for an American gas carrier to be registered in the register of Russia, then bypassing Kildin we will let it into Sabetta .Novatek made a flag exception for its gas carriers. Transit along the NSR, please, under any flag. Only with payment for ice escort. Something like this.

[eklmn]

Yes amer deeply spit on the building of terminals! Let me remind the forum how it all started. The United States requires (and under NATO terms) from Germany to spend 2% of GDP on its Armed Forces, and Germany spends 0.8% of GDP. But NATO was created for confrontation with Russia, and Germany, it turns out, does not want to “resist” with its 0.8%, and moreover, itself climbs into “bondage to the enemy, supporting him financially,” with the construction of the SP-2. As a result, amers have to keep more of their troops in Germany and for the United States it is expensive.
The United States wants one thing from Germany - to spend its 2% of GDP on its own army and trade / build whatever you want ...

[Livonetc]

NATO exists to keep in check and rob the NATO members themselves.

[And why do you need]

Quote: eklmn

Yes amer deeply spit on the building of terminals! Let me remind the forum how it all started. The United States requires (and under NATO terms) from Germany to spend 2% of GDP on its Armed Forces, and Germany spends 0.8% of GDP. But NATO was created for confrontation with Russia, and Germany, it turns out, does not want to “resist” with its 0.8%, and moreover, itself climbs into “bondage to the enemy, supporting him financially,” with the construction of the SP-2. As a result, amers have to keep more of their troops in Germany and for the United States it is expensive.
The United States wants one thing from Germany - to spend its 2% of GDP on its own army and trade / build whatever you want ...

Do not confuse soft with warm

[Sergey39]

A good idea! Maybe it will.

[Jaromir]

Quote: Sergey39

A good idea! Maybe it will.

Hardly. The States want a complete monopoly on gas supplies to Germany.

[Yaro Polk]

Vassals are ugly, so be it)

[Hermit]

Quote: Yaro Polk

Vassals are ugly, so be it)

For a tolerant Germany, this is normal.

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Hermit

Quote: Yaro Polk

Vassals are ugly, so be it)

For a tolerant Germany, this is normal.

There, protests are clearly brewing ... Recently, Putin was shouting and so on.
Germany is simply being milked insolently, and Russia is offering them cooperation and very profitable ... How many times have we fought to the death with each other (pitted us) and know each other well ...
The union of Germany and Russia is a nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons and others ..

[Fungus]

Germans are afraid of amerikosov

[Roman13579]

"It is better to be a coward for 5 minutes than a dead man all his life" (c)

Those who are not afraid have pensions of $ 150.
So the Germans are not afraid in vain ..))

[NEOZ]

Quote: Roman13579

Those who are not afraid have pensions of $ 150.

where did you get the idea that by giving up, you will receive a pension like in Germany?
we already have a country with European salaries and pensions nearby ... they also gave up, by the way!

[Roman13579]

With the fact that our pensions and salaries since the age of 14 "did not give up" as a result of all sorts of useful sanctions, so much sagged .. This is an obvious fact ..
Ykry, hooked up with amers, and having received similar sanctions, would have slipped to North Korea ..
Actually, the Germans are not fools .. and their "fear" only emphasizes their prudence ..
In our mentality, everything is not so .. we are ready to lose money, but "do not bend" .. Then who lives for what ..))

[Jaromir]

Quote: Roman13579

In our mentality, everything is not so .. we are ready to lose money, but "do not bend" ..

That is, do you think that our ancestors should not have resisted Western aggressors?

[Roman13579]

I think if Merkel came out and said "We are not afraid of sanctions, they are only for our benefit," and in a year ten euros in the pocket of the Germans would have turned into the top five, then the Germans would not have asked themselves such stupid questions .. Of course, they would realized that their ancestors fought in vain, if in the end they produced such idiots !!
And only a Russian Vanka with an open mouth listens to tales that a cheap ruble is good ..
Kia Rio has grown from 450 to a million ?? Decent computer instead of 30 - became 70 ?? Yes, this is all garbage .. Sanctions are only for our benefit, our cheap ruble is everything, the Germans are cowards and fools, and we are great ..))

[Hermit]

Quote: Roman13579

"It is better to be a coward for 5 minutes than a dead man all his life" (c)

Those who are not afraid have pensions of $ 150.
So the Germans are not afraid in vain ..))

Each of us invents his own life, his woman, his love and even himself.

[Roman13579]

Deep thought..))

[Essex62]

Ours, I don't know about yours, sagged much earlier. Since the late 90s. And we have always lived under sanctions, only they did not bother the USSR at all. Stable system, no priority of broth extraction. Planned.
And how do you imagine the reality of these fears? If the Germans balk and stop listening to the Amerzians, will the American occupation contingent press them down with tanks?

[Roman13579]

And is someone pressing us with tanks ??)
In the post above, I already answered what is the reality of fears of sanctions .. that 10 euros will turn into 5 ..

[Essex62]

So that's the question. If the Germans remember that they are sovereign and self-sufficient, will they send the occupants through the forest, will the Masons declare war on them? This also concerns us. We restore the fence and live by our own mind.

[Lipchanin]

In fact, the German government has decided to speak in Trump's language,

But he doesn't seem to understand the other

[rocket757]

And yours and ours ... nothing good, neither the one nor the other!
That is, the choice is a shame or a fight ???? the choice is clear! the result, by the way, too!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

Choosing a shame or a fight ???? the choice is clear! the result, by the way, too!

Yeah ... the Teutons are not the same ... The English left teeth fell out from old age, the Teutons' armor rusted ...

Have you decided to buy off the world extortionist with just a billion? Yes, America will not even notice that billion to print, and there is no need to strain. You can't buy America for a billion. They need power. Either they demand so much that Germany does not have so much, or they impose so many additional demands that even Merkel will not be able to bend so much. Well, for example, so that my grandmother personally cleaned Trump's shoes every morning ...

[Proxodnoi]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Yeah ... the Teutons are not the same ... The English left teeth fell out from old age, the Teutons' armor rusted ...

Don't tell Igor ..

Quote: Zoldat_A

Have you decided to buy off the world extortionist with just a billion? Yes, America will print that billion - it won't even notice, and there is no need to strain

And how much has the United States pumped out of Germany in 75 years? Horror ..
I always remember this anecdote very symbolic.

But Putin is still patiently looking for ways to get closer to Germany and is doing the right thing ..

[rocket757]

And who are TE left now ???
Perhaps only those who were all crazy, not THOSE, tried to break ... that's who did not break, THEME and stayed !!!
I want to believe that we are all the same .... for our people, I have no doubt, but for the Christmas tree to say something, yes, I don’t want to, tf-y!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

I want to believe that we are all the same ...

We, a long time ago of non-recruiting age, and in the overwhelming majority already excluded from the mob-reserve are still the same. It's partly worrisome about the youth, but I think if, God forbid, there is a global danger, it will put everything in its place. At least for my son, a future airborne officer, I'm sure. He will not disgrace me or the Motherland and will not sell.

Quote: rocket757

but for the Christmas tree to say something, yes, I don't want to

Yes, it has always been like that, throughout the history of Russia there was such a tree. Only this elite has one way - to run away with the new owners, when they begin to get in the neck not like a child. If they have time. Look, in Belarus, the elite is doing quite cleverly and rightly. You don't need to run anywhere - initially they are trying to lead the country from the enemy's trench.

[ANB]

... throughout the history of Russia there was such a tree.

Time of Troubles, Seven Boyars

[Ryaruav]

who would shut this Ursula's mouth, the gynecologist of the sucks

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ryaruav

who would shut this Ursula's mouth, the gynecologist of the sucks

Well, everything is logical - why would she just say anything? She's not an expert on mouths ...

[antivirus]

I often read the comms later as a specialist - for stuffing the skull with my mind - they write a lot of tricky things. it turned out, I can just as well on my couch .. evolution has not raised everyone 3 steps higher than me.
gas, pipes, rock and roll.
once again: the gas pipeline "itself" will be depressurized on the outskirts - and there will be no need for a yard.
a peaceful Ukrian tractor must harrow at the depth of the pipeline more often.

[NEOZ]

Quote: antivirus

A Ukrian tractor must harrow more often at the depth of the pipeline.

here is the current Ukrainians are against ......

[thinker]

Quote: KAV

The US will definitely ignore it.

Already, it is. The letter was sent on August 7th. And in response to silence ...

[Jaromir]

Quote: thinker

silence in response ...

This was to be expected. The states don't need a piece of the German pie, they want the whole “pie”.

[askort154]

So far, nothing is known about the response of the US Treasury Department to Berlin's proposal.

Merkel made a knight's move, declaring "check" to Trump. If he refuses, then their sanctions against SP-2 are not so much economic in nature,
how much political.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: askort154

Merkel made a knight's move, declaring "check" to Trump.

And he answered her with obscenities ... For, according to America, some kind of Germany has not grown to independence. She shouldn't have her own opinion.

[AshPoseidon]

In vain is Germany with them. The Americans will build a terminal for themselves at their expense, and then they will again impose sanctions on SP-2, but there will be a reason.

[Polite Moose]

The actions of the German side are absolutely pragmatic. The proposed solution from the category "And the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe." If the n-s accept the conditions, then personally I regard this as our joint victory with the Germans. There will be gas in Germany, we will have sales. The Germans know how to count money, and in my personal opinion, the first time they will buy the Peninsula LNG in the amount of "Get out", and in their thermal power plants they will burn our undemocratic one. And then we'll see what kind of new Chancellor comes and what he will do with all these unprofitable sanctions, "poisoning" of Navalny and other crap.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Polite Elk

If the n-s accept the conditions, then personally I regard this as our joint victory with the Germans. There will be gas in Germany, we will have sales.

This is not our peremoga, and, moreover, not German. Above, I said that you can't buy America for a billion. They will not even notice if they print it. They need much more - to rule Europe. Now Germany is the "locomotive of Europe", and the "most democratic" one wants to be the sole hegemon. But is Germany ready to bend in front of America in such a Kama Sutra? We will see...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zoldat_A

You can't buy America for a billion. They won't even notice if they print it.

Igor! There is even nothing to argue about. They add an extra lard to the national debt - like 2 fingers on the asphalt. But the offer was made for a reason. And the amount, I suspect, did not come from the ceiling. I am very interested in how the Germans will act out the refusal of the n-owls (if it follows) from the deal on the terminals and the gas pipeline? In my amateurish opinion, the situation looks like sl. way: if the n-s say "No" to the deal, the Germans will say: "And then ... you, not the terminals." And before the approaching cold weather and the inevitable demobilization of Frau Merkel, with all their might they will push through the completion of the SP-2. Or another option: they will demand compensation from the n-owls for their companies that have invested in the gas pipeline. Also bread.

[Zoldat_A]

Alexander, !

Quote: Polite Elk

I am very interested in how the Germans will act out the refusal of the n-owls (if it follows) from the deal on the terminals and the gas pipeline?

Quote: Polite Elk

if n-s say "No" to the deal, the Germans will say: "And then ... you, not the terminals"

My humble opinion is that "no" from Ameria will be unambiguous. The stake in the liquefied gas scam is not lard or ten. This is the prospect for many, many years to put Europe on its gas needle, overturning us at the same time. So America itself will build terminals to whom it wants - if only they took gas ...

20 years ago I bought an apartment - I did not want to live in a cottage with my parents, but somehow myself, on my own. I wanted a landline phone. So for a "three-ruble note" of an improved layout in the most prestigious area of ​​a million-plus city, the house at that time was 3 years old, windows on 2 sides, three balconies, I then gave 65 thousand green money. For 10 it was possible to take a killed "Khrushchev" -two on the outskirts. And then I gave 800 American money for the landline phone of Rostelecom. Today they put their phones on for free so that people get hooked on the monthly fee and pay under 500 rubles a month. Times have changed, now the children in the kindergarten have cell phones, homeless people on the street shoot fifty-fifty to put them on the phone.
.
Do you feel, Alexander, what am I for? America is ready to stick terminals to the entire coast of Europe for its money, if only Europe pays it for a long, long time and a lot, a lot.

So, in my opinion, America’s consent to such nonsense is out of the question, and on the part of the Germans this is just a gesture to show that "we also plowed," "we tried," "we tried." I mean, they tried to find a solution to the issue. Only this is not an option when one proposes at the negotiations, and both know in advance that it will be across to both. This is so for complacency. Like a girl who in a deep forest at night persuades a maniac strangler: "Well, please, well, don't, well, please, my mother is sick ..." And such persuasion will not work on any maniaa.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zoldat_A

America is ready to stick terminals to the entire coast of Europe for its money, if only Europe pays it for a long, long time and a lot, a lot.

This is quite logical if you look from the point of view of n-owls. But, as they say, there is a nuance. Europe (offhand Poland, Lithuania) builds LNG terminals at its own expense. In your allegory, it would look like the girl's offer to the maniac her belt for better strangulation. those. n-s are already going overboard. But you cannot compare Poland or Lithuania and Germany there. Both Lithuania and Poland live on subsidies from the EU, and therefore can only bark on command and do as ordered. Otherwise, the leash will be shortened. And Germany, which to a large extent pays for the banquet, has the right to lift its feet against the host. And at her own expense she does not intend to make a noose for herself. Plus there are also refugees, plus losses from sanctions. So, I think that after the refusal of the p-owls from the deal, the course of events will not be so unambiguous. Wait and see.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Polite Elk

So, I think that after the refusal of the p-owls from the deal, the course of events will not be so unambiguous. Wait and see.

We stock up on popcorn ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zoldat_A

We stock up on popcorn ...

If the show takes place, then it's not a sin to stock up on beer.

[Kelwin]

Well, true Aryans. under the threat of abuse in a sophisticated form, they offered a compromise - by the cheek ... ugh ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

For them, the problem is that all sorts of Wintershall, Uniper and others will be sued. That is why Merkelikh is shouting about the responsibility of the EU, not Germany. 

[Gennady Fomkin]

In the meantime, the EU, represented by Merkel, is a painful fighter with SP-2, the Ukrainian GZTS is slowly giving "oak"

In the village of Chabany, Kiev region of Ukraine, the high-pressure main gas pipeline (Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod), through which gas from Russia enters Europe, was depressurized. This was reported on Tuesday, September 15, on the website of the Chabanovsky Village Council (CHS). According to him, there was a powerful release of gas into the environment. The head of the heart rate, Alexander Kirizliev, went to the scene. Meanwhile, the UNIAN agency, citing eyewitnesses, reported that “a strong hum, and then a loud explosion” was heard. Ex-Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Volodymyr Omelyan also wrote on Facebook about the incident. "In the Vasilkovsky district of the Kiev region, especially in the area of ​​the villages of Ivankovichi, Khotov, Chabany, from 00.20 (coincides with Moscow time - Ed.) - very loud low-frequency noise, reminiscent of the sound from burning gas in large volumes or the operation of a megapower diesel generator", - he said. "The flame is not visible yet," Omelyan added. Yazh warned that full of holes

[Avior]

... KIEV, September 15. / TASS /. Problems in the gas pipeline sealing system near Kiev will not affect gas transit to the European Union. This was reported on Tuesday by the press service of the operator of the gas transmission system (GTS) of Ukraine.

"Depressurization of the gas pipeline in the village of Chabany near Kiev will not affect the transit of gas to the countries of the European Union. Gas supplies for consumers are organized through other gas pipelines," the press service said.

[bar]

Germany offers the US a deal to preserve Nord Stream 2

Late, "Annushka has already spilled the oil." And Miller began construction of Power of Siberia - 2 to pump "German" gas from Yamal to China. But now the Germans will need the terminals. They will eat truly democratic American gas and not speak.

[varakin_54]

Why did everyone decide that they would accept LNG from the USA, and not Russian from Yamal. Gas carriers are being built in Russia.

[iouris]

SP-2 - forget. Build SP-3. Let the damned aphid choke!

[Karabin]

So far, nothing is known about the response of the US Treasury Department to Berlin's proposal.

I will assume that "bargaining is not appropriate here" (C)

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Avior

... KIEV, September 15. / TASS /. Problems in the gas pipeline sealing system near Kiev will not affect gas transit to the European Union. This was reported on Tuesday by the press service of the operator of the gas transmission system (GTS) of Ukraine.

"Depressurization of the gas pipeline in the village of Chabany near Kiev will not affect the transit of gas to the countries of the European Union. Gas supplies for consumers are organized through other gas pipelines," the press service said.

Down and Out trouble started

[babylon]

Trumpet! Trumpet! pipe!
how much you can shout about this pipe, it will primarily bring income to the oligarch, but not to the country's budget, but it is financed, of course, from the country's budget. So draw your conclusions now

[Freedim]

And then the Germans will build a plant for the production of LNG from Russian gas, and will trade from these terminals, competing with the Americans. .

[Dmitry Makarov]

The Americans were shown a place, like here are two terminals, you can bring your own gas, but don't count on more. The Americans were left with a gate in the gateway, and the doors were thrown open for Gazprom from the front door.
It is difficult to name what is happening otherwise.