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In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter

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In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter

The United States has begun testing a prototype next-generation fighter-bomber. This was reported by Defense News weekly with reference to the statement of the Assistant Secretary of the US Air Force for Procurement, Technology and Logistics Will Roper.


Defense News notes that in an interview given to the publication, Roper announced the first flights of a full-scale demonstration model of the next generation aircraft. At the same time, he refused to clarify how many prototypes of the aircraft were created and by which companies, how many of them took off, when and where, limiting himself to general words.

We've already built and launched a full-scale demonstration model in the real world, and we have broken records in doing so. We are ready to build the next generation aircraft in a way that has never been seen before

- quotes the weekly words of Roper.

The publication writes that all information about the new project is classified, since within its framework it is planned to create a whole family of technology, including space and unmanned vehicles. In addition, within the framework of the same project, it is planned to create computer systems for gaining air superiority.

According to the assistant secretary, the US Air Force has actually proven that it is capable of preparing a prototype of a new generation aircraft and starting testing it just a year after the end of the analytical part.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 September 2020 10: 14 New
    -9
    Phy-35, a flying penguin, flies, no problems with generation # 5? Well, well ..... And the 6th generation, that's good, we draw pictures, we sculpt from what we need breadboards, modelki and ........ we rattle about another victory. fool
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 16 September 2020 10: 21 New
      +5
      Phy-35, a flying penguin, flies, no problems with generation # 5?
      The fifth generation is already 30 years old, there will be other new aircraft of the 5th generation, they will be brought up, but they will not significantly affect the change of the generations themselves.
      1. SAG
        SAG 16 September 2020 10: 51 New
        +5
        The fifth generation is already 30 years old

        The 4th generation is 60 years old according to the same logic ... The most popular and purchased weapon .. So what?
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 16 September 2020 10: 56 New
          +6
          The 4th generation is 60 years old according to the same logic ... The most popular and purchased weapon .. So what?
          So what? Has progress stopped? Ford T was the best-selling car, is it still in production today?
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 16 September 2020 10: 25 New
      -3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Phy-35, a flying penguin, flies, no problems with generation # 5?

      With him, all is well 550 pieces released, the queue for years to come, the next block is being prepared.
      1. figwam
        figwam 16 September 2020 10: 32 New
        12
        Quote: Grazdanin
        All is well with him

        Of course, of course, the United States has already started producing 4th generation aircraft.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 16 September 2020 13: 37 New
          +1
          Are you talking about the F-15ex?
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 16 September 2020 10: 35 New
        +8
        Quote: Grazdanin
        With him, all is well 550 pieces released, the queue for years to come, the next block is being prepared.

        That's your opinion. It's good with the sales, it's not = all is well with the plane.
        F-35B and F-35C pilots are forced to comply with flight speed limits to avoid damaging the airframe itself or the aircraft's stealth coating. Pressure surges in a fighter's cockpit cause excruciating pain for aviators. Problems with the helmet-mounted display and night vision camera make it difficult for the F-35C to land on the decks of aircraft carriers.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 16 September 2020 10: 36 New
          -11
          Another fan of avia.pro and Yandex.Zen.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 16 September 2020 10: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Another fan of avia.pro and Yandex.Zen.

            Are you a fan of kindergarten? , I see nothing, I hear nothing ".....
            The F-35 US fighter was included in the list of the worst examples of weapons being developed by the American army according to the Business Insider portal. The reason for such a negative reputation of the aircraft was its high cost and problems with reliability.
            It was created under the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II program and became the most expensive development in the history of weapons production for the United States. Moreover, the fighter was commissioned seven years later than originally planned.
            The F-35 was heavily criticized by Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan. It was reported that Shanahan characterized the F-35 with an obscene word, the literary translation of which means "screwed up." He argued that Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the F-35, did not know how to implement the fifth generation fighter program.
            This development brought a lot of problems. For example, at the end of October 2018, the Pentagon was forced to suspend flights of 20 fighters due to problems with the fuel system. And about a month before that, F-35 flights were suspended after the crash of the F-35B in South Carolina.
            Moreover, due to the design features of the F-35, they became vulnerable to lightning strikes. This fact led the United States Marine Corps to request lightning rods to protect the F-35.
            The worst thing is that there are frequent cases of crashes of the F-35 fighter.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 16 September 2020 11: 01 New
              10
              Are you a fan of kindergarten? , I see nothing, I hear nothing ".....

              Call him Troll. Just a Troll. bully
          2. figwam
            figwam 16 September 2020 10: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Another fan of avia.pro and Yandex.Zen.

            Another Pentagon propagandist
            1. Letun
              Letun 16 September 2020 21: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: figvam
              Another Pentagon propagandist

              And what is he a propagandist?
              Quote: Grazdanin
              550 units released, a queue for years to come, the next block is being prepared.

              It is not true?
              1. figwam
                figwam 17 September 2020 13: 58 New
                -2
                Quote: Letun
                And what is he a propagandist?

                Quote: Grazdanin
                All is well with him

                Quote: Letun
                It is not true?

                No...
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 10: 46 New
        10
        From a commercial point of view, an undoubted breakthrough. Yes. All vassals have to unscrew their paws and force them to buy the F-35 practically by order. Success is beyond doubt.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 16 September 2020 10: 53 New
          -12
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          almost by order.

          It doesn't work that way. The F35A is now one of the cheapest modern aircraft on the market. The F35B has no competitors at all.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 10: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: Grazdanin
            It doesn’t work like that.


            Shouldn't I believe my eyes?
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 16 September 2020 11: 03 New
              -11
              Mathematics.
              The F35A is now worth around $ 100 million.
              F-16V Block70 / 72 120-150 million F15EX 130-160 million Su35 104 million Rafale 120-240 million, Typhoon 124 million. Moreover, the price of Russian and European fighters of 2012-2015, now they are higher.
              F35B there are no alternatives from the word at all.
              What to buy?
              1. Kart
                Kart 16 September 2020 11: 11 New
                +1
                Why should you buy Ukrainians?
                This is the most important question.
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 11: 12 New
                +8
                If from the western, then definitely F-16, there will be several times less problems, starting with the spare parts and accessories and ending with the service staff.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 16 September 2020 11: 21 New
                  -1
                  The capabilities of the F16 are much less than those of the F35, the only one is its + service price. If we proceed from this logic, then Super Toucans are worth buying.
                  1. Thorvlobnor IV
                    Thorvlobnor IV 16 September 2020 11: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    The capabilities of the F16 are much less than those of the F35, the only one is its + service price. If we proceed from this logic, then Super Toucans are worth buying.

                    It is logical if the Super Tucano is a combat training aircraft, the F16 is a multipurpose light fighter, and heavy drones with satellite communications are attack aircraft and bombers.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 16 September 2020 12: 01 New
                      -1
                      What do you mean?
      4. Ali
        Ali 16 September 2020 10: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Everything is fine with him 550 pieces released, there is a queue for years to come, the next block is being prepared

        Grazdanin. How can an aircraft be a 5th generation aircraft if stealth is achieved? to the detriment of other characteristics and requirements for an aircraft of the 5th generation, such as: aerodynamics, maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio, cruising supersonic without afterburner ... In fact, the F-35 is an underplane and not the 5th generation! We need a new glider, and this is a new plane, with all the ensuing consequences! And if we also take into account the development of radar in Russia, then the stealth of the F-35, F-22 is a big question. Only a specific battle will decide everything!
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 16 September 2020 11: 16 New
          -10
          Quote: Ali
          aircraft to be a 5th generation aircraft

          Well, let it be 2 ++ generations, will it calm you down?
          Quote: Ali
          aerodynamics, maneuverability, thrust-to-weight ratio,

          Approximately the same performance as the F16, slightly worse than the twin-engine Hornet. The F35 was created instead of these aircraft.
          Quote: Ali
          cruising supersonic without afterburner

          The F35A has it. If not, don't you give a damn?
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 16 September 2020 11: 22 New
            -8
            Why do we need a new generation of fighters? This is "deprecated". We must look ahead - something is seen in the form of the "Death Star" .... Vaughn Rogozin just now, said that Venus is a Russian planet and it was time to master it (evil tongues, though they say that the subject mentioned and instead of "Venus" had mind - "budget") .... wink
      5. garik77
        garik77 17 September 2020 01: 22 New
        -1
        It's just that the "potential buyers" of the American wunderwafe have nowhere to go laughing
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    4. shahor
      shahor 16 September 2020 11: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      we draw pictures, sculpt models from what we need, and ........ we crackle about another victory.

      Who are you talking about?
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 September 2020 10: 14 New
    -6
    Everything is logical .... F35 on the conveyor belt .... made a prototype. In 10 years there will be a ready plane.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 September 2020 10: 30 New
      +4
      I wonder if Boeing really beat Lockheed in
      competition for the 6th generation?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 16 September 2020 10: 44 New
        -4
        When there is a tender for the supply, then we will find out who bypassed whom. They usually do research with one of these companies, for the sake of secrecy. Both companies have roughly the same potential. The fact that this project was given to Boeing for development is logical, the Lockhets now have a lot of projects, there will be an imbalance.
        It is believed that the F35 program is so expensive because it contains other secret programs. For example RQ170. There is no information in open sources about the financing of this drone, except for rumors.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 16 September 2020 11: 05 New
          0
          If, as always, there should be two prototypes from two offices.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 16 September 2020 11: 18 New
            -6
            Yeah, just at the end itself. Research projects are usually conducted with one company.
      2. SAG
        SAG 16 September 2020 10: 56 New
        +1
        Yes, even 3 weeks ago ... And two days ago Gruman beat everyone in the competition for the 7th generation ... And a minute ago there was a competition for the 14th generation ... Before that, your comment was not naive.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 September 2020 11: 04 New
        0
        They can also join forces. It is expensive and difficult.
      4. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 16 September 2020 11: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I wonder if Boeing really beat Lockheed in
        competition for the 6th generation?

        We will find out in 10 years.
      5. Alex777
        Alex777 16 September 2020 11: 20 New
        +1
        Boeing is not very good at money now ...
      6. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 16 September 2020 11: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I wonder if Boeing really beat Lockheed in
        competition for the 6th generation?

        Not the fact that they are creating an aircraft of the 6th generation. Quite possibly - an alternative to the F-35.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 16 September 2020 11: 44 New
          -4
          Completely different classes of aircraft. USA needs to change F15 and F22, Super Hornets. The F35 is destined to be the F16, the main attack aircraft for a couple of decades.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 September 2020 12: 01 New
          +5
          Not. A fighter for air superiority. Replacement of the F-22. And, accordingly, the F-15.
          What generation will it make? - 5+ or 6th - we'll see, it's not clear yet.
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 16 September 2020 14: 15 New
          -1
          In the interests of the Navy, to replace the F18 ... they are not satisfied with the F35S
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 16 September 2020 16: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            F35S does not suit

            It suits everyone. The F35C was created to replace the Hornets, while the Super Hornets are another class of replacements.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 16 September 2020 16: 29 New
              0
              This is one class ... and there were some comments ... sailors.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 16 September 2020 16: 44 New
                -2
                No smile Read about the JSF program and F / A-XX. F35 strike aircraft, Super Hornet support and air superiority aircraft smile It will remain so in the future.
                In April 2012, the Navy issued a formal request for information for the F / A-XX. It calls for an air superiority fighter with multi-role capabilities to initially complement and eventually supersede the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft in the 2030s, while complementing the F-35C Lightning II and UCLASS unmanned aircraft , that can operate in anti-access / area-denial environments. Primary missions include air combat, air to air, ground attack, surface warfare, and close air support.

                In April 2012, the Navy issued an official request for information for F / A-XX. It calls for an air superiority fighter with multiple roles capabilities to initially complement and eventually replace the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet and EA-18g Grunt aircraft in the 2030s, while complementing the F-35S Lightning II and UCLASS unmanned aerial vehicles devices that can work in anti-access / area denial environments. The main tasks include air combat, air-to-air, ground attack, ground warfare, and close air support.


                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_program
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-XX_Program
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 16 September 2020 17: 15 New
                  0
                  These are both medium fighters ..... but a strike fighter or a strike fighter. The edges are erased in all new machines
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 16 September 2020 17: 37 New
                    0
                    It is clear that they are all multirole fighter-bombers. But the tasks for which the aircraft were created are different. In the 5th generation, the classification has changed, only until it has adopted a generally accepted classification.
                    F22 / 15 and F35A differ in missions just like F / A-18E / F (XX) and F35C. Although they can do anything. “Heavy and light” fighter, you might call it that. Although not very true, the F35 is heavier than the F15 and the Super Hornet. The F / A-XX will definitely be heavier than the F35C. They can be called strike IS / IS support or air superiority / strike. In short, there should be more aircraft of the 5th generation to begin to classify them.
                    So far, there are F22, J20, Su57 (air superiority) on the one hand and F35 (shock) on the other.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 16 September 2020 17: 43 New
                      0
                      F35 has become a unified fighter ... and everyone else will be the same
                      1. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 16 September 2020 17: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        F35 became a single fighter

                        More precisely Joint Strike Fighter - Single Strike Fighter
                      2. Ali
                        Ali 16 September 2020 20: 33 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        More precisely Joint Strike Fighter - Single Strike Fighter

                        Grazdanin. You write about something that does not exist at the present time. Or it may not be possible to do it. USA talked a lot about rocket trains, but could not do, knowledge and funds were not enough to make in simple cars, and so that the rails did not melt during the launch of the missiles. The USA with its satellites overwhelmed, and not only in this!
                        Think of the nuclear-pumped X-ray laser - again a failure!
                      3. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 16 September 2020 20: 43 New
                        0
                        I'm talking about what they have already done and will do.
                      4. Ali
                        Ali 16 September 2020 20: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        I'm talking about what they have already done and they will.

                        Grazdanin. You messed up the times in In Russian. If they do it, they haven't done it yet! You cannot know about it!
                    2. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 17 September 2020 15: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ali
                      Quote: Grazdanin
                      More precisely Joint Strike Fighter - Single Strike Fighter

                      Grazdanin. You write about something that does not exist at the present time. Or it may not be possible to do it. USA talked a lot about rocket trains, but could not do, knowledge and funds were not enough to make in simple cars, and so that the rails did not melt during the launch of the missiles. The USA with its satellites overwhelmed, and not only in this!
                      Think of the nuclear-pumped X-ray laser - again a failure!


                      What propagandists will not come up with.




                      The Americans ran their first train on the rails 12 years earlier than ours.
                      We analyzed and understood the complete futility of this direction.
                      Train security is hundreds of times more expensive.
                      Ensuring the passage and cleanliness of tracks - derailment of other trains; snow drifts, landslides, flooding, bridges - all this reduces combat readiness from the very concept of a "rocket train" hundreds of times more than stationary mines.
                      Control over the movement of the train - due to the specifics of the management of railway traffic - is completely transparent for any intelligence.
                      Control from satellites is total.
                      it is necessary to build a large number of service bases for both trains and missiles - and in the mines they are in much more benign conditions.


                      And most importantly, the very concept of the BZHRK is stupid to the point of impossibility.

                      Simply because of the time lag between the first strike and the counter-strike.
                      Regardless of who struck first, each side had at least 20 minutes to retaliate.
                      If our massive strike is the first - then what is the point of firing from the BZHRK, if with the same success - we can strike from the mines?
                      If there will be our massive counter-retaliatory strike - then what is the point of firing from the BZHRK, if with the same success - we can also strike from the mines?

                      In both cases, we can hit from the mines ...

                      By the way ... earlier it was planned to place 150 Polaris on the railway in Europe.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 16 September 2020 10: 15 New
    +2
    on the beginning of tests of a new generation fighter

    It's about time, otherwise Korea is already going to do the 5th generation, so soon it will come to Nicaragua.
    1. SAG
      SAG 16 September 2020 10: 58 New
      -1
      Did you mean the 4th generation with chopped shapes, what would look like the 5th apparently ?! Turn on your head, do not be like everyone who determines generations from pictures.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 16 September 2020 14: 16 New
      0
      China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, Europe ... with allies and India.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2020 10: 19 New
    +3
    In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter
    no longer funny, TIRED
    the fifth to the way did not work out and already super-duper-new generation
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 16 September 2020 10: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter
      no longer funny, TIRED
      the fifth to the way did not work out and already super-duper-new generation

      And it should be so. The previous should not interfere with the new
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2020 11: 22 New
        0
        what does it have to do with it, what does the 6th generation mean? !!
        who prevents you from simply engaging in promising developments?
        it seems that the task is not to make a new one, but to crawl that we have come up with a NEW generation
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 16 September 2020 13: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          what does it have to do with it, what does the 6th generation mean? !!
          who prevents you from simply engaging in promising developments?
          it seems that the task is not to make a new one, but to crawl that we have come up with a NEW generation
          So an article that they are just engaged in promising developments
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2020 14: 50 New
            0
            In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 September 2020 10: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter
      no longer funny, TIRED
      the fifth to the way did not work out and already super-duper-new generation

      Do you think that all further research and development should be stopped before the 5th generation is finished? request
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2020 11: 23 New
        -2
        what does it have to do with it? !!!!
        firstly now, I would say not grinding, but creation; secondly, can you name the signs of the 5th generation and the signs of the 6th generation, what are the cardinal differences?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 16 September 2020 11: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          can you name the signs of the 5th generation and the signs of the 6th generation, what are the cardinal differences?

          According to experts, the main thing is the presence of AI and the absence of a pilot.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2020 14: 50 New
            0
            already AI created
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 16 September 2020 15: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              already AI created

              No need to be ironic. Research in this area is underway, there is progress, and the 6th generation has not yet been created, but only in the form of OCD. So, perhaps all these developments will be combined over time. Progress does not stand still.
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 16 September 2020 13: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        In the United States announced the start of testing a new generation fighter
        no longer funny, TIRED
        the fifth to the way did not work out and already super-duper-new generation

        Do you think that all further research and development should be stopped before the 5th generation is finished? request

        If the article mentions the United States, then the main thing is to cough up at least something, even if it's utter absurdity
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 17 September 2020 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Vol4ara

          If the article mentions the United States, then the main thing is to cough up at least something, even if it's utter absurdity


          Don't you think what is in your head just from the fact that this is how the article is presented by the author of the news ???

          If there is one thing in the original source, and the author of the news alters everything, with his own meaning, and the result is completely different ???
          Who is to blame?
          Maybe the author of the news?
          Who came up with 80% and stuck his conclusions ...
  • apro
    apro 16 September 2020 10: 20 New
    -5
    Loud statements by amers are backed by an unlimited budget and a powerful scientific and production base ... but how are the Russian bondholders ???
    1. SAG
      SAG 16 September 2020 11: 13 New
      -3
      $ 26 is $ 720 that amount for this minute the US national debt, corporate debts are an order of magnitude larger, add here guarantees for futures, which most likely will never be backed by oil (perhaps there is not so much on the planet). As a result, you will receive the amount that you can give in 624 years in all limiting yourself.
      backed by an unlimited budget and a powerful scientific and industrial base ...

      Now add here "for now, but obviously not for long." And the scientific component, like a wave, will wash away everything under a clean ...
      1. apro
        apro 16 September 2020 11: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: SAG
        As a result, you will receive the amount that you can give in 1000 years in all limiting yourself.

        But Russians invest in amerov's debts ... vbuhivaya there that they saved on social science.production ... thereby helping amers to create weapons.which ........
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 16 September 2020 11: 26 New
          +1
          Have you been in a coma for 5 years? Are you awake?
          There is almost nothing in these debts. bully
          1. apro
            apro 16 September 2020 11: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: Alex777
            There is almost nothing in these debts

            Are you sure of this? Then google help ...
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 17 September 2020 15: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            Have you been in a coma for 5 years? Are you awake?
            There is almost nothing in these debts. bully


            The Treasuries themselves contain a little - 4-5 billion.
            In gold - 100 billion.

            But in the international banking system there are almost 500 billion ... The so-called "international reserves" ...
            What are international reserves?
            The country's international reserves are called “... external assets that are freely available to and controlled by the monetary authorities
            to meet balance of payments financing needs, intervene in foreign exchange markets to influence
            on the exchange rate and for other relevant purposes (such as maintaining confidence in the currency and the economy, as well as as a basis for external borrowing)


            External assets ... External ...

            Which will be instantly unavailable, at the command of "Fas" from the Washington Regional Committee.
            They will give the command to the IMF and Swift - to close all operations for Russia - and we will be left with only gold ...

            We will lose almost 500 billion dollars that no one will return to us.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 18 September 2020 11: 43 New
              0
              The Treasuries themselves contain a little - 4-5 billion.

              I talked about them.
              All investments of someone, wherever, are insured by counter investments.
              Why does China have so many US debts? Because so much has been invested in it.
              As they begin to withdraw production from China, it will begin to sell off US debts. hi
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 16 September 2020 10: 23 New
    +1
    Will Ropper is the local Rogozin?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2020 10: 31 New
    +2
    Malasy, even when the cartoons show!
    They are pushing the development of aviation technology, combat, forward and only forward!
    Mistakes, failures, are inevitable, because the new, because the first!
  • Ervin
    Ervin 16 September 2020 10: 36 New
    -7
    When 1000 5th generation aircraft are built - then let them talk about the 6th generation! All are experts in chatting, but there are no brave ones to do something new!
    1. forest1
      forest1 16 September 2020 10: 43 New
      +5
      Even so. It won't be long. 22 F-195s were produced. And the number of F-35s exceeded 500 in the spring. Probably next year your wish will be fulfilled.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 16 September 2020 10: 47 New
      13
      Quote: Ervin
      When 1000 5th generation aircraft are built - then let them talk about the 6th generation! All are experts in chatting, but there are no brave ones to do something new!

      Reminds of the epic about the Mask. That's when the engine is built and then we'll talk. That's when the first rocket flies, that's when we'll talk. That's when the first step descends, that's when we'll talk. That's when they start flying into orbit, that's when we'll talk. The next point is when they fly to Mars, that's when we'll talk.
      So f35 is already over 500. How much is there in service in the Russian Federation of the 4th generation and su 57 combined?
      And chatting this to Rogozin and Serdyukov, they not only chat much, but cut denyuzhek
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        4th generation RF

        Built in the last 10 years? Serial only? Then so - 20 MiG-29 SMT + 22 MiG-29KUBR + 12 Su-27cm3 + 20 Su-30m2, 115 Su-30SM, 128 Su-34, 90 Su-35 ...
        As a result, there are 405 multi-functional fighters of the 4th generation in the region ...
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 16 September 2020 23: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Quote: Vol4ara
          4th generation RF

          Built in the last 10 years? Serial only? Then so - 20 MiG-29 SMT + 22 MiG-29KUBR + 12 Su-27cm3 + 20 Su-30m2, 115 Su-30SM, 128 Su-34, 90 Su-35 ...
          As a result, there are 405 multi-functional fighters of the 4th generation in the region ...

          Well, that year the Americans made 134 only some f35, not counting others. Since the start of production, only Ф35 has been built more than 500
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 23: 29 New
            +1
            Was there perestroika in the United States, the collapse of the state, privatization?
            Here's how it will be. We will return to this topic later.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 17 September 2020 08: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              Was there perestroika in the United States, the collapse of the state, privatization?
              Here's how it will be. We will return to this topic later.

              What the hell is the difference. When NATO soldiers chase you with rifles and will you tell them this? You didn't have perestroika, did you?
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 08: 40 New
                +1
                And do you seriously suppose that we will do poo-pew with the Americans on their terms?
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 17 September 2020 09: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  And do you seriously suppose that we will do poo-pew with the Americans on their terms?

                  And who will ask you on what conditions do you want piu piu? These conditions will impose on you
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 10: 52 New
                    0
                    And they will receive a blow at their naval base, for example, with a salvo of several ICBMs. This is called an escalation in the name of de-escalation ...
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 17 September 2020 11: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      And they will receive a blow at their naval base, for example, with a salvo of several ICBMs. This is called an escalation in the name of de-escalation ...

                      So then say goodbye to your relatives, all cities will burn down and nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants in addition, you will live in Magadan beyond the Arctic Circle on a stone pile, because everything else will be fouled, because a response will come for you, because we have parity with NATO countries for non-nuclear weapons and didn't smell
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 11: 23 New
                        0
                        But I understand Katz is offering to surrender. So they would say right away. I just don’t understand why to have parity in non-nuclear weapons with the West, if it’s just stupid with TNW in marketable quantities.

                        you will live in Magadan beyond the Arctic Circle

                        Doesn't scare me - I lived there for a quarter of a century

                        because a response will arrive for you,
                        And then a massive volley at them is cool, yes, you at least read the doctrines of using tactical nuclear weapons or something ...
                      2. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 17 September 2020 13: 30 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        But I understand Katz is offering to surrender. So they would say right away. I just don’t understand why to have parity in non-nuclear weapons with the West, if it’s just stupid with TNW in marketable quantities.

                        you will live in Magadan beyond the Arctic Circle

                        Doesn't scare me - I lived there for a quarter of a century

                        because a response will arrive for you,
                        And then a massive volley at them is cool, yes, you at least read the doctrines of using tactical nuclear weapons or something ...

                        Really why was there a need for parity in tanks at 41 when chemical weapons were piled high?
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 16 September 2020 10: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Ervin
    When 1000 5th generation aircraft are built - then let them talk about the 6th generation!

    In 3-4 years this figure will be. Now in the area of ​​750 pieces of already released fives.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 10: 43 New
    +6
    The sixth generation is how?
    Well, now they have the EPR type = 0.000000000000000000000 1 sq. M., And it will become like 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 sq. M. ...
    1. apro
      apro 16 September 2020 10: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      The sixth generation is how?

      Artificial intelligence elements and unmanned options.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 10: 55 New
        +3
        So why should you do an airplane? What prevents them from being introduced to the F-35, and one should not forget about the renewed release of the 4th generation for the US Air Force. I'm talking about Hornet and Eagle
        1. apro
          apro 16 September 2020 10: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          So why should you do an airplane?

          That would be the best. And the people from idleness did not toil.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 11: 07 New
            +5
            And that's true. Well, cut, where without it. We do not know how to saw as much as in the USA. Only bastards learn.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 16 September 2020 17: 15 New
          +1
          So why should you do an airplane?

          So maybe they didn't? Recently, there was news about how the robot won a training dogfight. Can we assume that they are talking about it?
        3. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 17 September 2020 15: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          So why should you do an airplane? What prevents them from being introduced to the F-35, and one should not forget about the renewed release of the 4th generation for the US Air Force. I'm talking about Hornet and Eagle


          The aircraft, among other things, is designed for both a person and his ability to transfer overloads ...

          There is no sense in making an aircraft with an overload tolerance of 15G - if the pilot is not able to fully control the aircraft during prolonged overloads over 7G.
          Overloading during a single maneuver in 9-10G is not a constant work of the pilot, but a single and transient period of time, after which the pilot still needs time to "recover" ...

          And here all the time ...

          That is why, when developing a combat fighter drone, you cannot rely on a person ... and what was created for a person ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 September 2020 10: 47 New
    0
    According to the assistant secretary, the US Air Force has actually proven that it is capable of preparing a prototype of a new generation aircraft and starting testing it just a year after the end of the analytical part.

    How many years have the F-35 been produced? Let it be massive, but it is not devoid of critical flaws, and then it will generally be a wunderwaffe
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 16 September 2020 10: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    The sixth generation is how?
    Well, now they have the EPR type = 0.000000000000000000000 1 sq. M., And it will become like 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 sq. M. ...

    6 E is AI, I think so, plus all the advantages of the 5th, and most likely 6 these are already drones
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Vol4ara
      and most likely 6 these are already drones


      Honestly, I don't believe from the word at all. A more adequate option is a manned aircraft - the leader of the unmanned flight.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 16 September 2020 13: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Quote: Vol4ara
        and most likely 6 these are already drones


        Honestly, I don't believe from the word at all. A more adequate option is a manned aircraft - the leader of the unmanned flight.

        and where is the difference from the 5th?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 13: 30 New
          +2
          And what is it in the fifth?
          In general, all these generations are sheer convention.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 16 September 2020 17: 18 New
            0
            A more adequate option is a manned aircraft - the leader of the unmanned flight.

            And what is it in the fifth?

            Well .. this .. They already seem to have manned aircraft.
            Data transmission systems are available, developed and implemented.
            Well, now, as I already mentioned, the recent news about a training battle between a robot and live pilots ...
            What's left? put all the pieces of the puzzle together?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 17: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: alexmach

              What's left? put all the pieces of the puzzle together?

              Exactly. Here in the piggy bank are joint flights of the Su-57 and S-70
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 16 September 2020 17: 22 New
                -1
                And what is there to add?
                Drones can
                - independently take off and land
                - fight independently
                - follow the route, behind or after the leader
                - Accept-receive commands ...

                In my opinion there is very little left. To work on real samples? despite the fact that for 10 years they have been working out exactly in various stimulations (when controlling from the ground, for example) this is not a question at all in my opinion.
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 16 September 2020 11: 05 New
    +1
    Good. We will see. Let's compare. (Let's see)
  • AML
    AML 16 September 2020 11: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Mavrikiy

    That's your opinion. It's good with the sales, it's not = all is well with the plane.

    What if they don't buy it? They won't buy, turn off the gas
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 16 September 2020 11: 17 New
    -1
    Preparing a flying prototype in a year is of course very cool, but how true is it? In the States, they can lie no worse than ours.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 16 September 2020 11: 22 New
      +1
      Where did the prototype come from?
      Written "demonstrator" This is not a prototype. (although further there are "prototypes", but this is more of a journalist)
      That is, they did it for themselves, to clarify the concept. From concept to specification. And then prototypes on a competitive basis. Everything is as usual. Nobody canceled the stages of product creation.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 September 2020 12: 17 New
        +2
        In the original - namely, the prototype.
        The Air Force has already built and flown a prototype of its first new fighter jet in two decades
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 16 September 2020 12: 41 New
          0
          Then I don't understand at all what is in this case
          1. Liam
            Liam 16 September 2020 12: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: Engineer
            Then I don't understand at all what is in this case

            https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/
          2. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 16 September 2020 13: 01 New
            -2
            Roper speaks as if they are ready to launch almost into the series in '22
            Now, the Next Generation Air Dominance program, or NGAD, sits at a decision point. Roper declined to say how quickly the Air Force could move its next-gen fighter into production, except to say “pretty fast.” But before the service decides to begin producing a new generation of fighters, it must determine how many aircraft it will commit to buy and when it wants to start purchasing them - all choices that could influence the fiscal 2022 budget.

            Another thing, they don't use the words "6th generation", they say "next generation". So it's not at all clear what will happen.
            https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 16 September 2020 13: 18 New
              0
              Liam, Grazdanin
              After a quick look. Smells like a revolution in R&D. I can't believe it, of course. Even if this is not a full-fledged 6th generation, but a kind of side concept. Pretty cool for everyone, including the Yankees.
              Even if the Mask is cloned, it hardly helps. Moreover, Elon often failed deadlines.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 16 September 2020 13: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Engineer
                After a quick look. Smells like a revolution in R&D. I can't believe it, of course.

                So I sit and digest the information, yesterday I read it on Thedrive, I thought it was just another demonstrator, and the original articles say more about the revolution in R&D. This is much more important. We are waiting for more info in the future, while there is a lot of unknown.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 17 September 2020 16: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: Grazdanin
                  Quote: Engineer
                  After a quick look. Smells like a revolution in R&D. I can't believe it, of course.

                  So I sit and digest the information, yesterday I read it on Thedrive, I thought it was just another demonstrator, and the original articles say more about the revolution in R&D. This is much more important. We are waiting for more info in the future, while there is a lot of unknown.


                  This is called the 6th (sixth) technological order.
                  The development of technology in it is in a hyper-leap.
                  And it will be impossible to catch up.
                  It is a set of related industries that have a single technical level and develop synchronously. The change in the dominant technological structures in the economy is predetermined not only by the course of scientific and technological progress, but also by the inertia of society's thinking: new technologies appear much earlier than their mass development.

                  If your science is not at the level, if your industry is not at the level -
                  and in all areas ...
                  And in microelectronics, and in materials science, and in nanotechnology, and in programming, and in AI, and in global data transmission networks, and in machine-tool building, and in personnel training
                  if at least in something you will lag behind - you will never have the 6th (sixth) technological order ...

                  We still have not learned how to modularly (block) build ships, airplanes ... And competitors have been doing this for over 20 years ...
                  And so in everything.
                  If we still believe that the history of wars (from sabers to horse attacks, the level of the mobilization industry - without thinking about which tanks were needed then for aircraft, and which are needed now) - will help us ... then such inertia of thinking - we will simply be thrown into the background of history ...
                  And our country will indeed be torn apart into a dozen specific principalities.
                  Simply because the country is headed by people who do not understand what is really going on in the world.

              2. Liam
                Liam 16 September 2020 13: 25 New
                -2
                The revolution is only in the speed of production and, accordingly, in prices.
                And purely in technical aspects, the terms of reference for a new generation of air superiority aircraft (replacing the F-15 and 22, F / A-18SX) were issued 15 years ago, NGAD for the Air Force, F / A-XX for the Navy.
              3. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 16 September 2020 14: 28 New
                +1

                "It smells like a revolution in R&D. I can't believe it, of course" ////
                ----
                The same is with the Raptor B-21, by the way.
                They haven't shown a flying prototype yet, but a hefty assembly plant is already under construction.
                Let's see what happens ...
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 13: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      In the States, they can lie no worse than ours.


      It's better...
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 17 September 2020 15: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Preparing a flying prototype in a year is of course very cool, but how true is it? In the States, they can lie no worse than ours.


      The promising ATF program began in 1978.
      For three years, the TK was formed.
      American prototypes began to be created in 1986.
      The YF-22 and YF-23 made their first flights in the fall of 1990.
      And the first flight of the serial was in the fall of 1997 ...
      These are the terms.
      Almost 20 years ...


      And what could be a lie?
  • K-50
    K-50 16 September 2020 11: 55 New
    0
    Heh, we taught the model to build in the Houses of the Young Technician back in the days of the USSR. It didn't seem to work out badly. It is a pity the models and remained. lol
  • mvg
    mvg 16 September 2020 13: 08 New
    +1
    At the same time, without cartoons and 10-year PR in the press. Without a trillion dollar budget, etc. On-the-go will get up on the wing earlier than "those who do not have analogs"
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 16 September 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      I advise you to read the original. There, more important are the new engineering technologies used to create the "next generation" aircraft (no one in the US calls it the 6th generation)

      https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/
      https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/
      1. mvg
        mvg 16 September 2020 17: 44 New
        -2
        I advise you to read the original

        All I understood was that they would invent something new every 3-5 years. Not one platform for 30-50 years, but every 5 years a new competition. Plus specialization.
        I think it's nonsense. The zoo will be assembled, and even from different manufacturers.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 13: 37 New
      0
      Quote: mvg
      and 10 years of PR in the press. Without a trillion dollar budget, etc.

      Che nonsense you say. It feels like everyone present does not remember how it all began. Then they also said that flocks of F-22 and other turbidity would fly, then they forgot that it was right tomorrow, and it was in 1996-1998 that JSF would take off. I recommend it to believers. No, it's useless for you to say. Adequate - How many projects have already ended with nothing like Comanche, A-12, Aurora and other dregs, and what an epic fail came out with LCS, well, the funny thing is how they will get out of it all ...
      And most importantly, and the funniest of all, the timing creeps to the right.
      1. mvg
        mvg 16 September 2020 17: 37 New
        +2
        And most importantly, and the funniest time is creeping to the right for everyone

        Crawling. But someone can see the edge, and then there were hundreds of pies, and someone had their first flight in 2010 and that's it ..
        There are hundreds of such news as A-50U, A-100 Premier, Burevestnik. and then the programs get up.
        For F-22, the beginning of the competition is 1986, the first prototypes, 1990, serial production, 1997. Anything faster than the epic MiG 1,41, Su-37, Su-57.
        projects have already ended with nothing like Comanche, A-12, Aurora

        The projects ended due to the end of the active phase of the Cold War. Interesting projects. And now China will make the ass off the chair.
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 17 September 2020 19: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Quote: mvg
        and 10 years of PR in the press. Without a trillion dollar budget, etc.

        Che nonsense you say. It feels like everyone present does not remember how it all began. Then they also said that flocks of F-22 and other turbidity would fly, then they forgot that it was right tomorrow, and it was in 1996-1998 that JSF would take off. I recommend it to believers. No, it's useless for you to say. Adequate - How many projects have already ended with nothing like Comanche, A-12, Aurora and other dregs, and what an epic fail came out with LCS, well, the funny thing is how they will get out of it all ...
        And most importantly, and the funniest of all, the timing creeps to the right.


        Why are you lying all the time then?

        How about the F-22 now?
        The F-22 was developed when we had the Soviet Union ...
        Nobody could "forget" anything ...

        It was put on the wing, albeit in Russian time, but of the accessible Internet and sites like Topvar. The airbase only appeared in 1997, aka Balancer, and was an unknown resource.
        Internet coverage in 2000 was only 2% of the population.
        And these were not uryatics ...
        These were computer specialists and system administrators in those years.
        Dialapers.
        Accordingly, there was no "bliss" for either the F-22 or the F-35 until about 2013-2014 ...
        Until the Internet became more accessible.
        Accordingly, just by time lags - you are lying, like Trotsky ...


        If you look at the history of articles on this resource - about 2012-2013 - then the "gagged comment" - was one in 50 .... The remaining 49 were purely technical discussion ....

        You uryatics have appeared on the site. only after the Ukrainian events ...
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 17 September 2020 19: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          You uryatics have appeared on the site. only after the Ukrainian events ...


          It is strange, why should it be, if you constantly carry nonsense. You don't need to lie, you. You are lying constantly losharik.
          It seems that you don't even know about the ZVO, which I personally read for about 35-37 years ...
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 17 September 2020 19: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: SovAr238A
            You uryatics have appeared on the site. only after the Ukrainian events ...


            It is strange, why should it be, if you constantly carry nonsense. You don't need to lie, you. You are lying constantly losharik.


            Those. there are no arguments in fact?

            Ahrenno ...
            I butchered you like a nut in your lies just by years and the scheme of life at that time, including the use of the Internet ...
            And you accuse me of nonsense ...
            Are you really that eccentric with the letter different?

            He called me a Losharik, decided to offend me, petty grass?

            You've done it well, Kirill G !!!!!

            (G probably from the word ..... YGyyyyyyygoooooo ..... nnnnnnnnnnnoooooo)


            )))))
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 16 September 2020 13: 24 New
    -1
    It was the Americans who began to take an example from the Chinese - the fifth generation has not yet been mastered, but the next one is already flying! But as always, everything is classified, as always tomorrow they will say about very "smart" planes, but since they are, well, very much secret, no one will ever know about them, although everyone must and should be "afraid" of them. laughing laughing laughing
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 16 September 2020 15: 42 New
      +1
      This is an example from the current level of marketing in a modern market economy.
      Competition however.
      Ordinary waffles that are already flying cannot be sold "in years".
      But, something special, super duper outstanding.
      It will be in demand.
      And actually it does not matter whether the product has real, different from others, qualities.
      For example, the outstanding phenomenality of invisibility has been sold in years.
      And how really effective it is, who knows.
      Only a real, serious military confrontation, comparable in terms of the level of opponents, will show.
    2. Adimius38
      Adimius38 16 September 2020 18: 23 New
      -2
      you have not mastered it fool Su-57 is one show-off that lasts for years. Where are the serial machines in combat units ??? then this and that. And their F-22 has been flying for twenty years and the F-35 has been flying for about 6 years and the number has more than 555 machines. They have just mastered everything and the technologies are run in. And they are more than ready for the sixth generation, unlike us.
      1. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 19 September 2020 15: 30 New
        -1
        And their F-22 has been flying for twenty years and the F-35 has been flying for about 6 years and the number has more than 555 vehicles.
        And also the oldest Soviet s-125 complexes, which are in service in Yugoslavia, did not really know that the B-1 was declared as "invisible" of the stealth type and they banged at it as apparently. But if they (these same C-125s born in 1975) knew that this flying trough was "invisible", then of course they would not have seen it. Although today in the networks there is not at all secret statistics of the deaths of F-22 and F-35 - like dry leaves in a storm, orcas fall on the surface of our planet, even pilots do not always have time to save their most valuable places, that is, their asses.
        1. Adimius38
          Adimius38 19 September 2020 21: 11 New
          0
          A simple question - where is your Yugoslavia now? there is no such country anymore! Ancient trash cannot be won in modern war. You should have also remembered about the Yugoslav T-34 tanks. And as for the fifth generation, I repeat that they beat us. They have many years of experience in using fifth-generation equipment in combat units. Well-established mass production, many hours of flight time, which reveals deficiencies and allows further decisions to be made to eliminate them. We have nothing of this and is close. All we have is on the strength of two dozen Su-57s with a limited number of pilots who fly them, without experience of use in combat units
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 17: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Engineer
    Smells like a revolution in R&D.

    It smells like noodles.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 16 September 2020 18: 20 New
    -1
    Well, the United States is great, in the fifth generation we have already lost them to the F-22 for twenty years (195 cars), the F-35 has been in operation for more than 555 for about 6 years. And we have some show-off about the MiG-35, or about the Su-57 which last for years. And I am sure in this situation we have already lost to them in the sixth generation with a great lag.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 16 September 2020 22: 23 New
    -1
    If there was something to show, they would show. And since the donut hole can also be classified, it is quite possible that they broke records in terms of bluff PR, or the speed of the pilot's climb into the cockpit, or, most often, at the estimated unit price
  • persei
    persei 18 September 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    The presence of a full-scale demonstration model of the next generation aircraft is alarming.