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Venezuelan Defense Ministry confirmed data on downed plane with American symbols

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There are reports from Venezuela that the air defense systems of this Latin American state shot down an unknown plane. The information is confirmed by the Minister of Defense of the country Nestor Reverol.


The minister notes that the air defense command found an aircraft entering Venezuelan airspace using radars, which was moving without coordination with ground services.

From the report:

Further, there was an activation of special CODAI protocols, which are spelled out in the law.

As a result, the plane was shot down by air defense systems. What kind of complexes were used for this is not reported.

At the same time, the official Caracas is confirmed by the information that appeared on social networks that the plane that entered the Venezuelan airspace in the state of Zulia had an American registration number.

Nestor Reverol announced that the plane with the American registration number was carrying illegal substances - drugs.



The photo released by the Venezuelan Defense Ministry shows the American flag on the tail of a downed plane.

The front of the plane was completely burned out:


The fate of the crew is not reported.

There are no comments from the United States on the situation with the downed plane at this hour.
Photos used:
Twitter / Nestor Reverol
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  1. tlauicol
    tlauicol 16 September 2020 06: 37
    18
    Hawker 800. How did you get hit, I wonder? Such an advertisement!
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 16 September 2020 06: 43
      27
      How symbolic! US symbols and drugs! And why am I not surprised?

      By the way, what kind of symbolism? About blacks or about a white eagle?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 16 September 2020 08: 11
        11
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        By the way, what kind of symbolism?

        The picture shows an American "mattress" on the keel.
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 16 September 2020 08: 26
        +4
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        By the way, what kind of symbolism? About blacks or about a white eagle?

        Most likely, the original is something like "signes" - "identification marks". That is, the country flag and registration number: "N" is the US prefix.
      3. businessv
        businessv 16 September 2020 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        By the way, what kind of symbolism? About blacks or about a white eagle?

        About the Stars and Stripes flag, which means that about both! smile
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 September 2020 06: 50
      +4
      Hawker800 is a business jet. Slazil. That the tail is not very similar. Maybe what modification? what hi
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 16 September 2020 07: 26
        19
        No, with modification the plumage does not change so much.
        This is a Bechcraft from the "King Air" family. Most likely, Beech-350, but there are others.
        For example, 300.

        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 16 September 2020 07: 39
          +4
          On the tail unit, this one is closer to the "body". hi
      2. tlauicol
        tlauicol 16 September 2020 07: 39
        +3
        maybe not he request I will not insist
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 16 September 2020 07: 50
          +3
          Quote: Tlauicol
          maybe not he request I will not insist

          The "hawker" has a cruciform plumage.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 16 September 2020 08: 37
            15
            Well done! The Venezuelan Army is protecting its country from aggressors! And from drug dealers!
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 16 September 2020 08: 54
              -6
              Quote: Reptiloid
              protects his country from aggressors! And from drug dealers!

              If.
              The only export item that somehow supports the country with inflation at 30%. It is clear that most of it goes into the pockets of the "bosses", but ordinary workers of the drug industry get something.

              I do not exclude that the major who pressed the "start" button will soon be found hanged in the jungle. Or they won't find it at all.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 00
                +8
                I am for Venezuela laughing good+++++++
          2. tlauicol
            tlauicol 16 September 2020 09: 17
            +2
            I agree, they shot down this one in July. And today screw
    3. cost
      cost 16 September 2020 08: 39
      +2
      Hawker 800

      small twin-engine corporate jet developed by British Aerospace, based on the BAe 125. Currently produced by Hawker Beechcraft
      TECH SPECS
      Crew: 2 pilot
      Passenger capacity: 8 passengers
      Capacity: 989 kg
      Length: 15,6 m
      Wingspan: 15,66 m
      Height: 5,36 m
      Wing area: 34,75 m²
      Wing Extension Ratio: 7,1
      The base chassis: 6,41 m
      Track Chassis: 2,79 m
      Weight empty: 7 380 kg
      Curb weight: 8 369 kg
      Maximum takeoff weight: 12 701 kg
      Maximum landing weight: 10 kg
      Fuel tank capacity: 5 700 L
      Power plant: 2 × turbofan Honeywell TFE731-5BR-1H
      Thrust: 2 × 20,73 kN
      Dimensions of interior
      Length: 6,5 m (without cockpit)
      Width: 1,83 m
      Height: 1,75 m
      Salon area: 5,11 mXNUMX
      Interior volume: 17,1 m³
      Flight characteristics
      Maximum allowable speed: 0,87M
      Maximum speed: 845 km / h
      Cruising speed: 741 km / h
      Stall speed: 170 km / h (with flaps and landing gear extended)
      Practical range:
      with maximum load weight: 4 km
      with maximum fuel weight: 5 472 km
      Ceiling: 13 100 m
      Rate of climb: m / s 15,75
      Wing loading: 365,5 kg / m² (maximum)
      Thrust-to-weight ratio: 0,33 (306 kg / kN) (maximum)
      Length of takeoff: 1 533 m
      path length: 808 m
      1. cost
        cost 16 September 2020 08: 47
        +9
        The Venezuelan military often shoot down unidentified planes used by the drug mafia. The last such case, when an aircraft with an American tail number was also "neutralized", occurred in July this year.
        In 2013, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro authorized the shooting down of any drug mafia plane in the country's airspace. The initiator of the bill was Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez.
  2. Avior
    Avior 16 September 2020 06: 40
    +5
    And in the States, the prize is due for the fight against drug traffickers?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 06: 45
      20
      Quote: Avior
      And in the States, the prize is due for the fight against drug traffickers?

      from profit ...
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 16 September 2020 06: 44
    -7
    I wonder why the fighters were not sent to intercept? The plane could be landed and the crew arrested. The Americans can now howl about the bloody regime and all that.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 06: 47
      +4
      this is not for you to carry in a cello case. wassat
      1. borberd
        borberd 16 September 2020 08: 56
        +3
        And not by diplomatic mail from Argentina laughing
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 16 September 2020 09: 53
          +1
          I apologize, are you a diplomat by any chance?
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 16 September 2020 09: 51
        +2
        And that means you carry it like that?
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 16 September 2020 08: 30
      +5
      Quote: Herman 4223
      The plane could be landed and the crew arrested. The Americans can now howl about the bloody regime and all that.

      Then there would definitely be a howl. Arresting Americans in Venezuela is not a reason for howling. And about drugs everyone would deny. And now it looks like they will generally swallow everything, no comment.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 September 2020 06: 47
    +9
    There are no comments from the United States on the situation with the downed plane at this hour.
    Americans only comment on what they think is necessary. Therefore, waiting for any comments, and even more so about drug trafficking, is pointless. In the best case, the "office" for the fight against drugs can be noted and perhaps thank the Venezuelan air defense (irony). Well, the Venezuelan air defense officers can only be congratulated.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 08: 42
      +4
      Well, of course!
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ....... Americans comment only on what they think is necessary. ..... Well, the Venezuelan air defense officers can only be congratulated.
      The staff will say ---- we have information, but they are secret! What is standard for them
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 September 2020 08: 54
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Venezuelan air defense officers can only be congratulated.

      And they have regular graters with amerovsky planes: in July hawker was done, now king air - people are working as expected. They probably remember that the Soviet air defense was confused - and all the top leadership of the Armed Forces "cleaned out"
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 September 2020 06: 58
    +8
    Not bad, not bad. A good addition to morning coffee. They filled up a narcotov cargo, and even an American one. I hope the whole day will be spent on positive emotions.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 04
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Captive
      Not bad, not bad. A good addition to morning coffee. They filled up a narcotov cargo, and even an American one. I hope the whole day will be spent on positive emotions.

      if you do not recall the article by R. Skomorokhov, about the fleet ... of course you can rejoice in trifles, but these are trifles.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 16 September 2020 07: 09
        +8
        winked Why should I ruin my mood by remembering an article from a person I don't know? His level of awareness, competence, interest, etc. etc. I do not know. And here it is downed amerovsky apparatus with drugs. hi
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 14
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: Captive
          winked Why should I ruin my mood by remembering an article from a person I don't know? His level of awareness, competence, interest, etc. etc. I do not know. And here it is downed amerovsky apparatus with drugs. hi

          Roman is actually a normal journalist, but the information bureau of "Venezuela" is so-so ...
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 16 September 2020 07: 16
            +6
            winked All the same I am glad.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 45
              -7
              Quote: Captive
              winked All the same I am glad.

              Yes, I, too, but, Roman do not Hovnite, he is normal.
              1. Prisoner
                Prisoner 16 September 2020 09: 41
                0
                Not my god. In my thoughts was not.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 16 September 2020 13: 17
            0
            Quote: Dead Day
            A novel is actually a normal journalist

            A person, he may be normal, but as a marine painter ... nothing at all!
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 16 September 2020 14: 46
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Dead Day
              A novel is actually a normal journalist

              A person, he may be normal, but as a marine painter ... nothing at all!

              As an aviator, too.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 16 September 2020 14: 53
                -2
                Quote: Avis
                As an aviator, too.

                I suspect .. yes!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 16 September 2020 13: 15
        -4
        Quote: Dead Day
        if you do not recall the article by R. Skomorokhov

        Do not read Skomorokhov at night, read Murzilka better! wink
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 16 September 2020 13: 17
          -1
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: Dead Day
          if you do not recall the article by R. Skomorokhov

          Do not read Skomorokhov at night, read Murzilka better! wink

          and your chip, apparently 1 channel and "nightingale".
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 16 September 2020 13: 24
            -2
            Quote: Dead Day
            and your chip

            I wrote to you .. MURZILKA! wink Soothes!
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 16 September 2020 13: 24
              -1
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Dead Day
              and your chip

              I wrote to you .. MURZILKA! wink Soothes!

              happy for you...
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 16 September 2020 13: 26
                -1
                Quote: Dead Day
                happy for you...

                Yes, and I'm glad! laughing Anything better than second-rate fiction!
                1. Grandfather
                  Grandfather 16 September 2020 13: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: Dead Day
                  happy for you...

                  Yes, and I'm glad! laughing Anything better than second-rate fiction!

                  yes ... 1st channel and "russia" ... still fantastic ...
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 16 September 2020 13: 48
                    -2
                    Quote: Dead Day
                    yes ... 1st channel and "russia" ... still fantastic ...

                    Can you beat Solovyov?
      3. forester1971
        forester1971 16 September 2020 16: 19
        +2
        And what is the relationship of the American plane with drugs, shot down in Venezuela and Mr. Skomorokhov's article about the Russian submarine fleet?
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 16 September 2020 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: Captive
      Not bad, not bad. A good addition to morning coffee. They filled up a narcotov cargo, and even an American one. I hope the whole day will be spent on positive emotions.

      As far as I remember, white powder is exported from Venezuela - cash or various kinds of specialists could be transported to Venezuela.
      1. businessv
        businessv 16 September 2020 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: Lesorub
        As far as I remember, white powder, exported from Venezuela

        Remember wrong, colleague! Most of the traffic comes from their neighbor, Colombia.
    3. cost
      cost 16 September 2020 08: 54
      +3
      not the fact that the plane is American. In general, where the aircraft is registered does not matter. Russia is also full of aircraft registered in some Cyprus.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 16 September 2020 09: 07
        +3
        Quote: Rich
        not the fact that the plane is American. In general, where the aircraft is registered does not matter. Russia is also full of aircraft registered in some Cyprus.

        Bermuda (VP-B **), Caymans (VP-C **), Ireland (EI - ***) and Fr. Maine (the latter is mostly VIP aircraft, M - ****). There is no Cyprus. Volga-Dnepr had one for a long time, but no longer.
        And the States are not a "flag of convenience," including, most likely, the board is US.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2020 07: 05
    +4
    Ha, this has happened before ... drug traffickers were brought down and no one, in any way, even tweeted. Because this is a generally recognized EVIL, the officials will not get dirty with this, and the tihushniki are simply silent ... they can take revenge, but also quietly.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 16
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Ha, this has happened before ... drug traffickers were brought down and no one, in any way, even tweeted. Because this is a generally recognized EVIL, the officials will not get dirty with this, and the tihushniki are simply silent ... they can take revenge, but also quietly.
      in that region, EVERYONE sells "rubbish", in a quiet one ... they don't have such a cunning scheme for money. The CIA is angry that they are being moved there, in "Afghan" they control and distribute, and in Venezuela or there, Nicaragua .. the locals also want.
    2. Andrea
      Andrea 16 September 2020 07: 19
      +4
      Perhaps, about the officials, I would not say unequivocally.
      There, in Afghanistan, with the arrival of amers, drug traffic has jumped at times ... why would it?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 September 2020 07: 32
        +2
        Quote: Andrea
        Perhaps, about the officials, I would not say unequivocally.

        If an official board loaded with drugs crashes into a quiet one, the officials will disown him at the speed of sound ... unofficially, official, they are engaged in this BUSINESS, no doubt, but ...
        IT HAS ALREADY BEEN! is and will be.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 40
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          official, they are engaged in this BUSINESS, no doubt about it, but ....
          IT HAS ALREADY BEEN! is and will be.

          Let's face it, the CIA! money is out of the budget, you can sponsor all the revolutions in the world, eliminate leaders, feed compradors and much can be done with billions of uncontrolled money.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 September 2020 07: 52
            +3
            Quote: Dead Day
            a lot is possible with billions of uncontrolled money

            Do you think the unmercenaries work there ??? Yes sticks there to the hands more than the "case" goes! And for the "case" there is a machine at "Uncle Sam".
            The standard scheme of seduction of all those involved in the process ... some more, some less, the proportions are standard.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 08
              -7
              Quote: rocket757

              Do you think the unmercenaries work there ???

              and our army! yes It’s sad that ours don’t know how, to tear the current from pennies of a penny ...
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 16 September 2020 08: 52
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              ..... Do you think the unmercenaries work there ??? Yes sticks there to the hands more than the "case" goes! And for the "case" there is a machine from "Uncle Sam" .......
              There were once the words of observers about the traditional hidden kickbacks in the American Defense Ministry, about hidden items of expenditure that do not correspond ... ... a lot of things! Good morning news, Victor hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 16 September 2020 09: 10
                +2
                In addition to the official one, in any Goss structures there is quiet accounting, to one degree or another. Where more, where less, so they told us, aha!
                By the way, what's the good news in the morning, the sun has risen?
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 23
                  +4
                  .... the sun has risen ...
                  lol laughing Yes, about the Venezuelan air defense, the downed plane, in my opinion, the news is very good. We learned to identify and suppress. And there are opportunities for this.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 16 September 2020 09: 30
                    +2
                    Dmitry, it is believed, it has always been like this ... just about it in the press, especially, did not write.
                    If you walk through the waves of my memory, there are episodes ... with a continuation, by the way.
                    Drugs have always been EVIL.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: rocket757
                      ...... If you walk through the waves of my memory, there are episodes ... with a continuation, by the way. Drugs, it was always EVIL.
                      Their use only switches to solving this problem, everything else is not so significant. So what are the conclusions?
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 16 September 2020 07: 37
        +3
        Quote: Andrea
        There, in Afghanistan, with the arrival of amers, drug traffic has jumped at times ... why would it?

        Well, how many mouths have added and everyone wants to eat
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 September 2020 07: 54
          +2
          Wherever the Yankees did not climb, they row under themselves everything possible and impossible.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 16 September 2020 08: 48
            +2
            They have such a policy. Come rob and dump. Look how oil is pumped out of Syria.
            What did they do to Iraq
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 16 September 2020 08: 54
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            Wherever the Yankees did not climb, they row under themselves everything possible and impossible.

            The printing press is not enough for them.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 16 September 2020 09: 06
              +2
              Hi Dmitry soldier
              The paper, even if it is colored, AUG backed up, still remains PAPER!
              And any physically tangible, natural, even "guano", is a great asset!
              The Yankees have shouted this for a long time and do not miss the opportunity to reward everything material, more and more.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 18
                +4
                ......guano.......

                A well-known historical fact. At the end of the 3th century, the so-called. Pacific War, in which XNUMX states - Peru, Bolivia and Chile revised the borders, divided the territory where they mined guano! and chilean saltpeter --- sodium nitrate NaNO3. As a result of the war Bolivia lost its access to the sea. Guano is a very important thing in the economy and an expensive one.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 16 September 2020 09: 27
                  +2
                  Natur product, quality raw material for fertilizers.
                  Now synthetics are mainly, but also not out of thin air, natural raw materials are required.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 42
                    +4
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Natur product, quality raw material for fertilizers.
                    Now synthetics are mainly, but also not out of thin air, natural raw materials are required.

                    So after all, this natural product is more useful laughing , and it is easier, more economical in mining and production than to produce from air - the production of ammonia from nitrogen and hydrogen, its oxidation is catalytic, not only is it costly, but also harmful. And in general, nitric acid is not produced for this.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 16 September 2020 09: 55
                      +2
                      Natur product has an unpleasant property, OVER!
                      And the greens / environmentalists are strongly opposed and they have good reasons for this! So sho will be "synthetics" basically.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 16 September 2020 10: 37
                        +4
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Natur product has an unpleasant property, OVER!
                        And the greens / environmentalists are strongly opposed and they have good reasons for this! So sho will be "synthetics" basically.

                        Well yes! AND ENDS, and more and more are required, and the ecology has deteriorated greatly since then
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 16 September 2020 10: 39
                        +2
                        The extraction of any minerals does not bring benefits to nature.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 16 September 2020 11: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: rocket757
                        The extraction of any minerals does not bring benefits to nature.

                        Unfortunately this is the case.
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 16 September 2020 11: 49
                        +1
                        Let's leave the planet hanged to the descendants, this is also not a trivial task.
              2. Tamer
                Tamer 16 September 2020 10: 19
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And in general, nitric acid is not produced for this.

                And for what, if not for fertilizers?
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 16 September 2020 10: 42
                  +3
                  For what? O-O-O such a wide range of applications ------ for industry (very different, even illegal.) Search engine to help you. Read not reread wink winked
                2. Tamer
                  Tamer 16 September 2020 11: 15
                  -1
                  Themselves first read about Basically the use of nitric acid, with Google or in the library, and then let the mystery and secrecy, yeah.
                3. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 17 September 2020 23: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Tamer
                  Themselves first read about the main use of nitric acid, with Google or in the library, and then let the mystery and secrecy, yeah

                  The basis of mass wars in Europe (and the world) is black powder.
                  This is 75% saltpeter.
                  Gunpowder was not always made in saltpeter. (I think everyone here knows what it is)
                  And most importantly, the best raw material was ... human excrement.
                  But

                  A valuable product in the production of both fertilizers and military affairs (gunpowder / explosives / pyrotechnics)
                  The Pacific Wars ended with Bolivia robbing and killing many innocent Bolivians, unable to defend itself.
                  Well, we thank the German Fritz Haber for his trial.
                  Which allowed not to wage war over guano.
                  Nobel Prize in Chemistry!
                4. Tamer
                  Tamer 18 September 2020 16: 53
                  0
                  Main use of nitric acid - 75% - gunpowder / explosives / pyrotechnics? Do you understand that?
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 16 September 2020 09: 13
    +4
    Quote: Reptiloid
    The printing press is not enough for them.

    There is never a lot of money. Especially when there is someone you can rob
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 09: 31
      +4
      ..... who to rob ...
      trying to rob everyone, but to varying degrees it turns out, still there is always not enough.
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 16 September 2020 07: 13
    -3
    Nestor Reverol announced that the plane with the American registration number was carrying illegal substances - drugs.

    Well, given the fact that Venezuela is one big drug den, it is not surprising.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 16 September 2020 07: 37
      +5
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      that Venezuela is one big drug den is not surprising.

      Venezuela, Colombia is no better
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 16 September 2020 08: 00
        +2
        Venezuela, Colombia is no better

        In fact, if, then all of Latin America.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 16 September 2020 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          In fact, if, then all of Latin America.

          In principle, it is
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 40
      +5
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Nestor Reverol announced that the plane with the American registration number was carrying illegal substances - drugs.

      Well, given the fact that Venezuela is one big drug den, it is not surprising.

      read out the entire list ... and from everywhere, stars and striped ears will stick out.
  • Andrea
    Andrea 16 September 2020 07: 15
    +1
    Not the first and, unfortunately, not the last.
    Here are just a bad smelling nuisance, as usual, quietly, swept under the carpet.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 September 2020 07: 16
    +3
    My personal opinion is, let them supply more drugs to the states! repeat good
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      My personal opinion is, let them supply more drugs to the states! repeat good

      I'm the last one ... but + set ... to burn me in hell, together with Ranevskaya ...
  • Fedorov
    Fedorov 16 September 2020 07: 40
    +4
    And over Cuba, U-2 was shot down 2 times, after that they stopped flying. Ancient s-75. It was a long time ago, I was only in my parents' thoughts.
    I will say one thing - if they were lupanuli, then definitely - the Rossiskiy complex. It is not for nothing that there are advisers from the Ministry of Defense.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 September 2020 07: 53
      +4
      The lieutenant who is one of the U2 in Sochi lives on retirement. I am proud! hi
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 01
        +2
        wassat
        Quote: tralflot1832
        The lieutenant who is one of the U2 in Sochi lives on retirement. I am proud! hi

        from the crew, or what?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 16 September 2020 08: 59
          +2
          I’m sorry. I missed the word. He pressed the start button of the C75. There, in general, a muddy story, the decision was made by the operational air defense officer on duty. hi
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 07: 59
      -4
      Quote: Fedorov
      And over Cuba, U-2 was shot down 2 times, after that they stopped flying. Ancient s-75. It was a long time ago, I was only in my parents' thoughts.
      I will say one thing - if they were lupanuli, then definitely - the Rossiskiy complex. It is not for nothing that there are advisers from the Ministry of Defense.

      such a pelvis can be knocked out of the "Kalash" ... I cut a birch at 700m, and the civilian board, depending on the height, can be easily overwhelmed, prepared, remind flight 17? they are still looking for it, although what to look for there ...
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 16 September 2020 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Fedorov
      if they lupanuli, then definitely - the Rossiskiy complex.

      "Vicky" writes that of ours there are in service with the S-125 "Pechora-2M", Buk-2ME and S-300VM. Any of them will tear such small things (~ 15x20m) into ribbons. And here is absolutely a whole tail unit, and it fell, most likely, almost controllably and burned up on the ground. He was shot down with something lighter.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 17
        0
        Quote: Avis
        He was shot down with something lighter.

        and what am I for? really from a "cliff" or similar ...
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          Reviews 16 September 2020 08: 19
          +1
          Quote: Dead Day

          and what am I for? really from a "cliff" or similar ...

          Well, judging by the intact plumage, they were shot down at low altitude and speed, otherwise the plumage would have been wrinkled. So, either he was landing or taking off. If he was cruising at low altitude (hiding from radars), it is very unlikely that an MZA or a machine gun would be in his way. And the bald patch on which the wreckage lies is very similar to an unpaved runway.
          The Venezuelans are obscuring something ...
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 16 September 2020 09: 28
            +2
            Quote: Avis

            Well, judging by the intact plumage, they were shot down at low altitude and speed, otherwise the plumage would have been wrinkled. This means that he was either landing or taking off.

            vooot.
  • Avior
    Avior 16 September 2020 07: 59
    +4
    Are drugs imported or exported to Venezuela?
    Because judging by the text of the article, the plane flew to Venezuela.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 03
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      Are drugs imported or exported to Venezuela?
      Because judging by the text of the article, the plane flew to Venezuela.

      if they were taking the presidents, I think we would not know.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 16 September 2020 08: 34
        +2
        They could carry PMCs, and drugs as currency for payments. They only bring honey to the apiary to feed the bees. Knocked down, the first ones after the emergency disappeared into the jungle, and the plane was set on fire ... like a version.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 36
          +1
          Quote: g1washntwn
          and the plane was set on fire ... as a version.
          Reply
          Quote

          yeah ... right now they will be interested ...
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          Reviews 16 September 2020 08: 52
          +1
          Quote: g1washntwn
          the plane was set on fire ... as a version.

          It is quite plausible. The remains lie on something very similar to an unpaved runway, the plumage is intact, the plane was burning from the inside - the belly was burnt, but not burnt.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 16 September 2020 09: 51
            +1
            We have a minimum of information. I hope the local specialists are not more stupid, they have more experience in driving different "partisans" through the jungle. Where did the pilots go, are there bullet holes in the back of the heads of the burnt corpses and in which direction the bamboo is broken in the bush they probably know. Obviously, they are combing the whole area, but in the jungle this is still a fun activity.
        3. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2020 09: 47
          +2
          Wasn't it cheaper to take this "currency" on the spot?
          And then as in Tula with his samovar.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 16 September 2020 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            Wasn't it cheaper to take this "currency" on the spot?

            "To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary, but we have no money"(c) Prostokvashino.
            This is about the fact that non-cash and banknotes are monitored, and the task of the agents is to bribe goods, not to privatize them. You summoned a plumber, take 0,5 by force (our version of freely convertible currency) and then give it back to pay him back? So what? lol
            1. Avior
              Avior 16 September 2020 15: 36
              +2
              You have a strange analogy.
              In reality, it will be like this - you, through security, bring to the distillery where alcohol is a shaft, your 0.5, to pay off, knowing that it will be difficult for him to take it back through the security.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 17 September 2020 06: 33
                +1
                Analogy - 0,5 x 40 turns. For the underworld of Venezuela, kilograms of this powder are considered currency. It is safer to pay with this imported "currency". Those who import it do not care about the problems of conversion and laundering, they need to pay so that they will not be pinched later. Therefore, not suitcases with dollars and not cashless transfers from secret accounts of the CIA, but pure barter with goods that were cashed abroad shortly before (read - already cashed and laundered in different offshore companies). There was an option - weapons and special means for the drug mafia, but this is cumbersome and difficult, and the bags of what goes for a gram almost like bitcoin are an ideal replacement for banknotes for a "distillery".
                1. Avior
                  Avior 17 September 2020 06: 59
                  +1
                  Your logic is iron :)
                  In order for the Venezuelan underworld to sell drugs, you need to pay him with drugs.
                  smile
                  I will not bother you
                  PS start here with this, and the drugs were found on the plane? Or traces of their presence? Not a word about it.
                  1. g1washntwn
                    g1washntwn 17 September 2020 07: 16
                    0
                    ... the military personnel of the air defense command found with the help of radars entry into Venezuelan airspace an aircraft that moved without coordination with ground services.
                    .
                    Nestor Reverol announced that the plane with the American registration number carried prohibited substances - drug.

                    So if my version has not yet been proven, then yours that was transported FROM, and not B is completely untenable. For refutations, you should contact the Venezuelan officials.
                    Quote: Avior
                    I will not bother you
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 17 September 2020 08: 12
                      +2
                      Who told you that I wrote that from?
                      I clearly wrote that in.
                      And your version - why were they taken?
                      Who said that, it's interesting, the only question remains - the drugs were found?
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 16 September 2020 08: 19
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Are drugs imported or exported to Venezuela?

      eeeee ... "see Yura ..." (C)
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 September 2020 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Are drugs imported or exported to Venezuela?
      Because judging by the text of the article, the plane flew to Venezuela.

      Maybe not imported or exported, but in transit, for example, from Colombia flew through Venezuela request
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        Reviews 16 September 2020 08: 39
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        Quote: Piramidon

        Maybe not imported or exported, but in transit, for example, from Colombia flew through Venezuela request

        Where and from where?



        The plane was shot down in the province of Zulia (upper left corner of Venezuela, where Maracaibo is). Where / from where? The Lesser Antilles? :)
        So, most likely, the plane was shot down on takeoff or landing in Venezuela itself - the plumage is intact, that is, the altitude / speed was small. The Venezuelans are dark.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 16 September 2020 09: 17
          -1
          Quote: Avis
          Where and from where? ...
          So, most likely, the plane was shot down on takeoff or landing in Venezuela itself - the plumage is intact, that is, the altitude / speed was small ...

          I'm not the drug lord who sent this board. I was just making a guess. He could fly from the eastern part of Colombia to Florida, at least to some island in the Caribbean. Who knows what kind of traffic they have. As for the tail, in case of disasters it is usually alone and remains intact, even if everything else burns out. And if the plane was damaged and did not crash like a stone, but made a very hard landing, then even more so. Height in this case means little.
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            Reviews 16 September 2020 09: 29
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            Quote: Piramidon

            I'm not the drug lord who sent this board.

            I was thinking purely geographically. For most of the possible destinations, Venezuela is easier to bend around than to cross its airspace.
            As for the tail, in case of disasters it is usually alone and remains intact, even if everything else burns out. And if the plane was damaged and did not crash like a stone, but made a very hard landing,

            That's it. If shot down at a high altitude, it will collapse. And here it looks like a landing, albeit a hard one. Your picture also shows clear signs of destruction already on the ground.
            Height in this case means little.

            How does it mean. If the HCF did not come off in the air, as was the case with Spring Vulovic, then the plumage will still be noticeably dented. And here it is intact. Even the tip of the RV, on which the HCF rests, is not crumpled. Although, it is composite.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 16 September 2020 10: 49
              -1
              Quote: Avis
              If shot down at a high altitude, it will collapse.

              When shot down, the plane may not necessarily crumble and crash, but simply get damaged, remain controllable and make an emergency landing. And what kind of landing, on what surface and what will happen to him after it depends on these damages and the skill of the crew. hi
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                Reviews 16 September 2020 11: 10
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                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Avis
                If shot down at a high altitude, it will collapse.

                When shot down, the plane may not necessarily crumble and crash, but simply get damaged, remain controllable and make an emergency landing.

                That's exactly "damaged", well, or "knocked out". And "knocked down" it has already fallen here and now. But in another place on the branch, I also wrote that a landing is most likely: around the remnants, it seems, the main runway is visible and the belly of the fuselage was burned, but not burned, and the plane caught fire from the inside. Even the gangway door survived and still hangs on hinges. So, either they hit on takeoff / landing or damaged it uncritically, they could stay in the air.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 16 September 2020 11: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Avis
                  That's exactly "damaged", well, or "knocked out". And "knocked down" it has already fallen here and now.

                  Do not get to the bottom of the terms used by news authors on VO. Or are you not "local" and have not met their many blunders? Well, if you are so meticulous, if the aircraft, when the weapon was exposed to it, could not continue its flight, then it is considered to be shot down. Roughly the same with the term "interception". How many copies have been broken on this topic. Some believe that interception = destruction, although it can also be done for identification purposes, forcing a landing, etc. Our crews, during the post-flight report, said so - "in such an area it was INTERCEPTED by a pair of F-18s ..."
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                    Reviews 16 September 2020 11: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Or are you not "local" and have not met their many blunders?

                    No, I've been here for five years with interruptions.
                    About "interception" - I agree; I also started explaining until I got tired of it. About "knocked down / knocked out / damaged" - no. However, "knocked down" are not terms. There is "destroyed" and "forced to leave the battle" (I'm not sure about the second, however).
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 16 September 2020 16: 28
          +1
          The propellers were intact, not on takeoff, and not on landing, he stood still, these two trees were scorched, the plane had to demolish them. Nobody knocked down anyone there, there is an ordinary fire. In addition to the whole seizure, he also has to plow and set fire to the grass, but there is nothing there. Venezuelans are not obscene, they are simply bullshitting.
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            Reviews 16 September 2020 16: 54
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            Quote: Free Wind
            The propellers were intact, not on takeoff, and not on landing, he stood still, these two trees were scorched, the plane had to demolish them. Nobody knocked down anyone there, there is an ordinary fire. In addition to the whole seizure, he also has to plow and set fire to the grass, but there is nothing there. Venezuelans are not obscene, they are simply bullshitting.

            What other "whole propellers"? What kind of "trees", why and to whom was he supposed to take them down? What grass, why plow, and why can't you see the GWPP?
            What are you talking about?
            1. Free wind
              Free wind 16 September 2020 17: 13
              +2
              Photo of the plane burned down, posted by one of the commentators, look much higher.
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                Reviews 17 September 2020 21: 56
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                Quote: Free Wind
                Photo of the plane burned down, posted by one of the commentators, look much higher.

                Well, what do these "whole propellers" prove? And what kind of "two trees"? I didn't understand what I was talking about. In general, you have not answered any of the questions.
  • Proxodnoi
    Proxodnoi 16 September 2020 14: 29
    +3
    As a result, the plane was shot down by air defense systems. What kind of complexes were used for this is not reported.

    Yes, we all guessed it already ...
  • NF68
    NF68 16 September 2020 16: 12
    0
    With whom this does not happen. He flew to himself, counted the raven and then he was shot down. We must expect US sanctions for the fact that Venezuela shot it down and for the fact that it deliberately moved its border in order to be able to shoot down a peaceful American plane.