Chinese press: The use of the Okhotnik UAV fully complies with the concept of future wars

A few days ago, a statement was made from the commander of the Air Force, Deputy Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Lieutenant General Sergei Dronov, that heavy strike Drones will begin to enter the troops in 2021. The information mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China, the Renmin Ribao newspaper, drew attention to this statement.

The publication notes that today the arms race between the leading powers is unfolding in a number of areas, among which one of the most priority is the creation aviation drones. At the same time, People's Daily asked the question of what the Russian general was guided by when he made a statement about the imminent introduction of a heavy multipurpose strike UAV into service with the Russian Aerospace Forces?

Further, trying to answer this question, the Chinese authors consider an example of the Okhotnik UAV being tested in Russia, which is being developed according to the S-70 project. People's Daily notes that the development of a heavy drone in Russia has been going on for many years. The reference point is the "Skat" - a 10-ton unmanned aerial vehicle with a practical ceiling of 12 km. It was noted that the development of the "Skat" faced numerous difficulties, but in the end it allowed to accumulate important experience, to implement the technological developments that are currently used to implement the UAV "Okhotnik" project.

Chinese observers point out that the newest Russian heavy drone is not only a strike drone, it also combines intelligence functions.

At the same time, the greatest attention in the Chinese press is drawn to the possibility of using the Russian "Hunter" in a network-centric operation - when it is used in conjunction with combat aircraft, including 5th generation fighters. As an example, its tests are given, when the UAV was lifted into the air in tandem with the Su-57 fighter.

From the material:

Technologies have made it possible to combine the "Okhotnik" and the Su-57 into a single system for performing combat missions. At the same time, the fighter is able to obtain information about targets without entering the enemy's air defense zone. This allows for a strike with minimal risk to both the fighter and the drone.

It is noted that the use of new Russian engines, the Al-41F, will improve the Russian drone, which will increase such an indicator as the thrust-to-weight ratio.

From the article:

The use of such a drone with the release of human resources is fully consistent with the concept of future wars. There is no need to calculate the loads on the pilot's body when maneuvering, you can not use the life support system. Instead, the aircraft will take more on board. weapons and fuel. This will increase both the radius of its combat use (according to preliminary data, it is over 4 thousand km), and its combat power.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Apparently, the increasingly widespread use of artificial intelligence (AI) in aviation is the general line of development thereof.
The direction of integration of "adult" UAVs with characteristics close to the 5th generation aircraft for their joint use is clearly visible.
Thus, the actions of the slave UAVs ahead of the piloted aircraft, controlled by the pilot and, again, the AI ​​of the fighter, become "an inevitable evil."
To counteract such a "tandem" with conventional manned fighters ...
Fraught!

[Civil]

The information mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China, the People's Daily, drew attention to this statement.

The mouthpiece is some of the propaganda TV channels in a third world country in decline, and People's Daily is the official information portal of the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China, the world's No. 1 economy.
This whole circus story with a UAV in Russia, if anyone does not remember, began with the generals who were harshly criticized, called the UAV toys like their grandchildren's compucters.

[nnm]

Do not remind me, who are these generals? And then I try to remember such statements from the Air Defense / Air Force / VKS and nothing comes to mind. Especially with regard to shock systems.

[hrych]

Quote: Civil

UAVs with toys like their grandchildren's compucters

This is the case. This rubbish has no future. The renaissance of this theme happened in the era of wars with poorly armed rebels. Therefore, Israel has succeeded and the United States. When the Russian Federation created a compact nuclear reactor of high power (Eggs Kiriyenko), which is under the power of a cruise missile, the era of the UAV ended. You don't know about it yet, but it started. The compact laser Peresvet became possible, where most of the capacitors are occupied, remove the laser (quantum) emitter, put the railgun and go ... Remove the railgun, put the magnetron and here's the EMP gun. It was recently announced that our EMP cannon has reached a range of 10 km. All these units were invented in the middle of the 20th century, but they were bulky and after each shot a long reloading was required. Now, with a compact YSU of high power, all this economy has reached the size of a truck. For intercontinental torpedoes and cruise missiles, ours are building a planetary spacecraft. Photon engines with this source are no longer a mockery, but a real thing.
https://german-kmw.livejournal.com/112316.html
https://youtu.be/1pRcIStdFbw
Of course, in the very near future, jet aircraft will also switch to engines ala Burevestnik, when the plane can be in the air for years, and the rotation of the crew, for example, the "strategist" will be without landing, but docked with a shuttle. It is clear that laser blasters, railguns, and especially EMP guns, are ending the age of drones. And not only the control of the UAV will be violated, but the entire electronic filling will be burned out. And without it, the UAV is a lousy and uncontrollable projectile. The future has already arrived. Peresvet has already gone to defend the mines of the ICBM, this is the first thing. And so soon this entire economy will replace all current models.

[CBR600]

Here is the limitation. How do you call it? Not at all in the subject. UAVs are not only INTELLIGENT (!!), but already cut (yes, that very rocket with knives). And the scaling of the AFR radar is exactly what is needed for aircraft controlled by pilots. That would be further and better to see. The hunter is doing just this reconnaissance, otherwise what kind of stealth is he? This is exactly what we are talking about.
We don’t need to shaggy grandma. YASU has nothing to do with it.

[zwlad]

And not only the control of the UAV will be violated, but the entire electronic filling will be burned out. And without it, the UAV is a lousy and uncontrollable projectile. The future has already arrived. Peresvet has already gone to defend the mines of the ICBM, this is the first thing. And so soon this entire economy will replace all current models.

Have you read a lot of science fiction?
Give some physics lessons. The pre-light went to defend ...
all electronic filling is burned out ...
Trust less propaganda.

[hrych]

What do you believe? So show off your intellect, tell and prove that this is impossible. There people have already collected installations, and you are all stuck in denial Laser installation Peresvet, dear man, has been on experimental combat duty for two years already. Realize this, accept and continue to live on.

[zwlad]

I did not poke you like. And about Peresvet, maybe it's worth it, maybe on alert. Only now she can't knock down a thing. Disable optics, yes. She can do that.
And you can continue to believe everything written in the media.

[hrych]

Quote: zwlad

I didn't poke you like

Polite, you are ours, but send to teach physics and reproach reading science fiction, like polite. Kind of rude, but offended? Contacting you, you did not deserve in dialogue with me. For enlightenment. Whether the Laser, the railgun or the EMP cannon, all this is not fiction and has already been invented and made in the middle and second half of the 20th century. But it all came down to the source of energy. And for such a battery, its own power plant was required. That does not give mobility, etc. Therefore, the laser was mounted on a ship and an airplane, in which the power plant gave power, but this did not work either. And only when a compact megawatt power source appeared, did this whole economy become possible. Moreover, in the near future, all this will go into space. And SDI will become a reality, but for the Russians. Due to the blinding of optics, such a powerful and dimensional installation is not required. Enough ala laser pointer, well, a little more powerful and that's it, optical illumination is provided. If you were more advanced in this matter, you would know about the problem of astronomy, when the stars twinkle, passing light through the atmosphere. And cunning astronomers came up with the idea of ​​creating a laser such a thing as a Laser Reference Star. This laser reference star is a luminous point artificially created in the mesosphere, which serves to minimize distortion of observed objects caused by atmospheric turbulence. This point is created at an altitude of 90 km, i.e. in the area of ​​the border with space and forward. It is clear that these lasers are of low power and small dimensions, but it is no problem to illuminate the optical balls to a satellite in low orbit. And when you look at Peresvet, you see not a fig, but a powerful device, a quantum generator, with the same sideways powerful enough laser designators and rangefinders. Which balls themselves are able to light up. You understand that most of the "truck" is occupied by capacitors. For what? You are smart and understand that this is for a powerful impulse. Blinding an impulse is not needed, shine on yourself, well, take the heat into the radiators with coolant, but to burn through the metal, you need an impulse. Short-term and high power, which is why capacitor banks are strong. The same applies to the railgun, EMP cannon, etc. Change the quantum generator to a magnetron and here's not a laser, but an EMP cannon. Place an electromagnetic mass accelerator and bombard the enemy with a cheap conductive projectile. And all this was done 50 years ago, but it gave off an impulse and the next shot in an hour while you charge the capacitors. Therefore, they refused ... then, but now there is such a small megawatt thing, and even within the power of the CD. So it allows you not to hit with bursts, as in Star Wars, but still maintain an acceptable rate of fire in order to attack warheads and heavy decoys, while protecting your ICBM mine. Therefore, outwardly, Peresvet is clearly a powerful, impulse device. I repeat, to illuminate and dazzle the optical device of the satellite, and even more so, the lousy drone is not needed at all. And what kind of drone, mines specially stand in the depths of our territory, in the zone of echeloned air defense.

[zwlad]

Ltd! It turns out that everything is running.

[vVvAD]

compact nuclear reactor of high power (Eggs Kirienko)

Of course, in the very near future, jet aircraft will switch to engines ala Burevestnik, when the plane can be in the air for years

Have you heard anything about biological defense?

put the railgun and go ...

All these units were invented in the middle of the 20th century, but they were bulky and after each shot a long reload was required.

Yeah, reloading - change the guides (barrel) And so far not a single country has solved the problem - judging by the lack of serial samples.

when the plane can be in the air for years

The British scared themselves, but did you pick it up?

And so soon this entire economy will replace all current models.

Well, this is how it will displace - then throw your hats, chewing popcorn in front of Monique -
if only replaces us

[hrych]

Quote: vVvAD

Have you heard anything about biological defense?

Have you heard anything about nuclear submarines, or about cruisers with aircraft carriers with nuclear reactors. And we heard about strategic aviation, there are nuclear charges on bombs and CD in the bomb bay. Or you definitely need to stick your nose in there, as Buratino did

Quote: vVvAD

judging by the lack of serial samples.

Did they show you a serial sample and use it? I still didn't believe it. Peresvet has been on combat duty for two years, and what have you been doing these two years? What and what did you play around with?
Where do you come from ... commentators

[vVvAD]

Quote: hrych

compact laser Peresvet

As if it has at least 1 more van of "vigorous batteries" and 1 control, or both with small-sized YSU.

remove the laser (quantum) emitter, put the railgun and go ahead ... Remove the railgun, put the magnetron and here's the EMP gun.

Well, bet, if you're so smart, we'll see how you do it.

Have you heard anything about nuclear submarines, or about cruisers with aircraft carriers with nuclear reactors. And we heard about strategic aviation, there are nuclear charges on bombs and CD in the bomb bay

Do not confuse warm with soft: on AB and nuclear submarines, the nuclear reactor has 2 HP circuits, the external one is cooled by seawater, the biological protection circuit is installed along the perimeter of the reactor core. There is no reactor in nuclear ammunition, there is no movement - the nuclear defense is actually a continuous shell of YaBZ. Burevestnik's YSU is a completely different story: 1 air-cooled circuit, and the question is about an adequate coolant so that the isotopes are not cooled by air directly and do not leave a radioactive trail, so that they do not glow like "Chernobyl in flight". To put this on an airplane, you need heavy biological protection from penetrating radiation. Well, show off your knowledge, what kind of breakthrough has been in this area since the 1950s, or have I missed something?
Or look for fools who will fly for 5-10 years with guaranteed oncology at the end, and the state will train pilots more often, they have less experience in these 5-10 years, spending more on their treatment for oncology is not at all profitable.
because

It is clear that laser blasters, railguns, and especially EMP cannons, are ending the age of drones.

do not finish, but just the opposite - until they invent biosecurity against penetrating radiation of the mass acceptable for aircraft.

Where do you come from ... commentators

I do not know Same question.

[hrych]

Firstly, you do not know the structure of the Petrel's engine, but only assume. If, for example, liquid metal circulates in the circuit and radioactive materials have no outlet in the atmosphere, then what the hell is contamination? Or do you think that the Petrels standing in the launcher will be the active part of the reactor in direct contact with the atmosphere? If you think so, you are wrong. Apart from the flight, the petrel is assembled, transported, serviced and launched, and since we have no smart androids, then all this will be done by people and ... as you already guessed, the safety of personnel at all stages is provided. This is called logic. Do not forget to turn it on sometimes. And let's imagine that the coolant heated in the reactor in Petrel, generally turns the turbine, but not like at a nuclear power plant, the turbine rotates the generator, but rotates the blades. Didn't think about it? Why immediately according to the scheme of the last century? Think outside the box.

[vVvAD]

Are we already on you?
Maybe 2-contour, yes. But harder and harder. I assumed the simplest.
Logic ... it suggests that the reactor, in the absence of biosecurity on a biosecurity rocket, can be stored in a separate, for example, lead container, before launch, and a mechanism for its rapid loading into the rocket can be provided, and this is within the power of existing industrial robots - also an option, eh?
Let's imagine .... You can, but why? The ramjet engine is structurally simpler. In addition, in favor of the ramjet is the launch from a solid-fuel accelerator - in the case of a turbofan engine, it simply would not be necessary due to the presence of gearboxes, and in the case of a turboprop, also a variable pitch of the blades. But the turbines are not very compact, and the propellers and stealth in the radar range are generally a song.

[hrych]

The ramjet is easier to use for liquid fuel. Not here. The solid-propellant accelerator is universal, for a ramjet engine, for a turbojet turbojet engine and even for a pulsating one, i.e. PuVRD. Remember the launch of the V-1. By the way, who said that this is not its nuclear version. Therefore, the accelerator is a turbojet engine, in the case of a ramjet engine it accelerates to the required speed, but in all cases it is responsible purely for a quick lift off from the ground. Even a mortar launch of an ICBM is the same, stupidly thrown into the air before turning on the main engine.

[Kart]

Quote: Civil

The shout is some propaganda TV channels in a third world country in decline

In Ukraine or what?

[Civil]

Quote: Carte

Quote: Civil

The shout is some propaganda TV channels in a third world country in decline

In Ukraine or what?

And there, too, by the way, yes

[3danimal]

The Communist Party of the People's Republic of China, the world's No. 1 economy.

All the same # 2 for now.

[Ren]

This is very symptomatic, Commander of the Air Force, Deputy Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Lieutenant General Sergey Droneov told about the UAV (drones).

[Grandfather]

I would very much like to believe in all this, but what we were not promised ... as intentions and deeds diverge. dig-some problems. but propaganda is already at the level of North Korea. Only for S. Korea, the USA is an enemy, but for our government it is a partner. Moreover, the "partner" seems to be on top ...

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Dead Day

dig-some problems. but the propaganda is already at the level of North Korea.

Why dig? You just need to look at the photo in this news. Do you see the hatches for the arms? Nobody sees, except for the uryaklov. Those. what took off is not even a prototype, just a drone for testing flight technologies.

[rocket757]

The robotization of dangerous combat processes is proceeding at an accelerated pace.
This is a global trend and everyone who can participate in the process.
The exclusion of the physical presence of the military from real hostilities, the prospect ..... but fig knows when and how much this can happen!

[Grandfather]

Quote: rocket757

The robotization of dangerous combat processes is proceeding at an accelerated pace.
This is a global trend and everyone who can participate in the process.
The exclusion of the physical presence of the military from real hostilities, the prospect ..... but fig knows when and how much this can happen!

and will win in this race, the one who has elementary power in the element base, he will simply be one step ahead no?

[rocket757]

What options? A lot, a lot, stupid, cheap, but also dangerous technology, or to pervert and make the technique smarter, faster, more lethal, but undoubtedly much more expensive?
So far there are NO answers, such as should be taken into account! The development of the concept has just begun .... oh yes, Hollywood examples !!! It's just MOVIE!

[nnm]

And if you remember how the Iranians landed a super-secret American UAV with a program for $ 30, then it makes sense to think about it.

[askort154]

On the topic of UAVs, today is an article on the website "World Review". Its essence, in short:
In the Astrakhan region. completed the flight (19 min) UAV "DAN-M", takeoff weight 370 kg, at an altitude of 2000 m. max. the speed was 676 km. But the most interesting thing is that it has the MGTD-125E engine, the main parts of which are made by 3D printing, from powdery compositions of various metals. Making this method from the usual one is 20 times faster and 2 times cheaper. The development of this project began in 2015. Let's see what happens next with this UAV and engine.

[Bez 310]

"A statement from the commander of the Air Force-Deputy Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Lieutenant General Sergei Dronov, that heavy attack drones will begin to enter the troops in 2021."

Generals have long since learned to cheerfully report on future victories.
Unfortunately, our troops do not have a lot of things planned,
here and "Hunter", most likely, will not be in the specified time. So what?

[Cyril G ...]

There, and the task as far as I heard is more difficult than just a drummer - as I understand it, we are talking about an unmanned slave.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Cyril G ...

speech about the unmanned slave

There is also no host ...

[Kart]

And they will enter at the age of 21 - then what? Little and late? Wrong color? Name?

[tralflot1832]

Zhemin Daily is already serious. Here is the first buyer of the SU 57 complex and Hunter is drawing.

[Bez 310]

Quote: tralflot1832

complex SU 57 and Okhotnik

Is there already such a complex?
But the troops do not have either the Su-57 or the Hunter ...

[tralflot1832]

The smart ones get in line in advance. There are others who sing and dance well.

[voyaka uh]

I think the Chinese will buy the Su-57. And they will be sold, there is no escape.
The "power of Siberia" in problems.
And the Hunter will develop themselves. They already have prototypes.

[tralflot1832]

There are no problems with the forces of Siberia. The Chinese are driving the pipeline from north to south from four points at Stakhanov's pace. You cannot see well from Israel. What can I say about you, here and our "everything is lost" is hard to see.

[voyaka uh]

The pipeline is being driven cheerfully, but the gas in the fields turned out to be half as much as stated. Gazprom cheated when reporting the results of exploration.
Some of the wells were empty. For this reason, they are urgently running pipes for Power of Siberia 2. In order to achieve the total productivity promised to the Chinese.
Google it yourself, you will find the material.

[tralflot1832]

It depends on where and what to read? And how to submit! Yes, for a start, 4,6 billion is very little. But this turned out to be enough for the Chinese operator Power of Siberia to gain profit in Manchuria. This year, 10 wells will reach 103 billion. XNUMX wells will be laid. And now I will submit material on your technology. proposed to nominate Nataniyahu for the Nobel Peace Prize for the deal with the UAE. The Israelis have an ambivalent attitude towards this award. The last Israeli laureate of this award, Yitzhak Rabbin, shared it with Yasser Arafat. The latter you know well, but after the award, all his sins were written off. Rabbin after I lived a bright life, but not for long. Before the shots of a fanatic Israeli student. Something like this. Continue in the same spirit. You can't creep me through with lies.

[_Ugene_]

Technologies have made it possible to combine the "Hunter" and the Su-57 into a single system for performing combat missions.

yes, the legend is fresh, if in 15 years it will be brought to mind, it is good, but it is doubtful

[CBR600]

It's not a fact that delays in advanced weapons are true. We can assume that this is all a cover.
And then there will be a disclosure of military secrets. So we think.

[voyaka uh]

We must hurry.
Leaked to the press that the Americans have already experienced in the air
prototype (on a scale of 1: 1) of an air superiority fighter
sixth generation.
Which will replace both the F-22 and the F-15.
The Air Force has already built and flown a prototype of its first new fighter jet in two decades

This is a picture. Probable appearance. No photos.

[Grazdanin]

Well, how it leaked. This was stated by Dr. Will Roper, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Procurement, Technology and Logistics. So the information is official.