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Rogozin announced the development of a mission program to Venus in Russia

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The state corporation "Roscosmos" confirmed that they plan to continue cooperation with the United States on the Venus exploration program. At the same time, it was decided to abandon the connection of large-scale international cooperation on the Venera-D mission.


This was stated to the news agency TASS head of the press service of Roscosmos Vladimir Ustimenko.

This statement is connected with the spread of information that Russia is allegedly curtailing cooperation with the American side on the Venus program.

As the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said today, in addition to the joint Venera-D program with the United States, Russian specialists are simultaneously developing their own project.

The rumor about Roskosmos's refusal to cooperate with the United States was caused by the statement made by the state corporation today, which many interpreted incorrectly:

A decision was made to implement the previously planned Venera-D mission, which includes landing and orbital modules, as an independent national project without extensive involvement of international cooperation.

With this statement, Roscosmos commented on the information about phosphine found in the Venusian atmosphere. It is a colorless poisonous gas that can be of both biological origin and industrial origin.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 15 September 2020 19: 26
    +2
    Some contradictory statements.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 15 September 2020 19: 33
      0
      At the same time, it was decided to abandon the connection of large-scale international cooperation on the Venera-D mission.

      Did I miss something? And when were the missions "Venus-A", B, C, D? belay
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 September 2020 19: 43
        -32 qualifying.
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        And when were the missions "Venus-A", B, C, D?

        A lot was launched to Venus. Only nothing flew request
        How enchanted for us ... recourse
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 15 September 2020 19: 54
          -13 qualifying.
          Only nothing flew

          - it is necessary to provide a capsule with apple seedlings - then the higher forces will let us into Venus and Mars
          1. Temples
            Temples 15 September 2020 21: 11
            10
            The wrong word flew!
            Venus even began to be called the Russian planet.
            Everything worked out there.
            And now it will work.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 16 September 2020 10: 50
              +2
              Rogozin should be sent somewhere, even closer, but as soon as possible ...
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 15 September 2020 19: 55
          32
          It flew perfectly to Venus.



          Only one device flew to Mars, but broke down instantly (a few seconds of the signal).
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 15 September 2020 19: 56
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            It flew perfectly to Venus.

            Sorry confused hi recourse
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 15 September 2020 20: 25
              -3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Sorry confused

              Apparently from Alpha Centauri. There she is very close to Venus. laughing
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 September 2020 17: 19
            0
            It flew perfectly, but on Venus itself it quickly died because of the acidic atmosphere and pressure.
        3. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 15 September 2020 19: 58
          +8
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Only nothing flew

          Well, at least I would read Wikipedia about the exploration of Venus before scribbling comments.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 15 September 2020 19: 59
            +7
            Quote: Mikhail M
            Well, at least I would read Wikipedia about the exploration of Venus before scribbling comments.

            I already apologized
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 15 September 2020 22: 08
            30
            Quote: Mikhail M
            Well, at least I would read Wikipedia about the exploration of Venus before scribbling comments.

            I am very sorry, but what have the Soviet successes in the exploration of Venus and the wet dreams of the patient ragozin to do with it?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 16 September 2020 01: 47
              0
              hi The "wet discharge" of the Rogozin patient is evidently due to the side effects of venereal diseases. For, as usual, "he began for health, ends for peace." (C) "We will amputate." (C) There are no other options.
            2. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 16 September 2020 04: 51
              0
              Quote: Malyuta
              ragozin patient's wet dreams
              turn into quite real billions for development.
        4. Humpty
          Humpty 15 September 2020 19: 59
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Venus has been launched a lot. Only nothing flew
          How enchanted for us ...

          But what about the pictures of the Venusian surface
          ... I often walk along the corridors of one of the buildings where the devices for the Venus program were made. Now there is a utility store and offices. The managers are also sold. The equipment seems to be able to be exported to Russia in due time.
        5. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 September 2020 20: 20
          +5
          Quote: Lipchanin
          A lot was launched to Venus. Only nothing flew

          Well, you at least inquired about the history of flights to Venus, before so categorically asserting that nothing flew there.

          The USSR was the first to receive data on the composition of the atmosphere of Venus and received panoramic images of its surface.
        6. Prisoner
          Prisoner 15 September 2020 20: 47
          12
          Soviet spacecraft flew, and Venera-3 became the first spacecraft to reach the surface of Venus. True kissed when landing in full. And after the Venus-7 "win", everything went on like clockwork. It is not for nothing that the Americans started cooperation. Our Soviet legacy is enormous. The presence of smart professionals and the absence of "effective managers" worked wonders in the Union. hi
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 15 September 2020 23: 30
            +5
            Quote: Captive
            Soviet spacecraft flew, and Venera-3 became the first spacecraft to reach the surface of Venus.

            hi
            I'll add a little: Venus 3.
            The first descent vehicle in the form of a sphere with a diameter of 0,9 m with a heat-shielding coating was delivered by the Venera-3 spacecraft. The descent vehicle carried a radio communications system, scientific instruments, a source of electricity, the coat of arms of the USSR. The station reached Venus in March 1966. But the lander did not transmit any data
            Quote: Captive
            ... And after "rendering" "Venus -7",

            Venus 7 Entry of the Lander into the planet's atmosphere on December 1970, 15, aerodynamic braking, parachute descent. And finally, landing on the surface of the planet. The descent vehicle worked on the planet's surface for 1970 minutes. He transmitted data on the composition of the atmosphere, the temperature of various layers and surfaces, as well as pressure changes.
            Quote: Captive
            to further generally went like clockwork.

            Venus 9 10 - 11.
            Venus 13 14
            Venus 15.16 1983
            Vega 1. 2. 1984
            Amers' successes are much more modest, if they can be called successes at all. hi
        7. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 15 September 2020 21: 07
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And when were the missions "Venus-A", B, C, D?

          A lot was launched to Venus. Only nothing flew request
          How enchanted for us ... recourse

          Maybe I missed something ... but it seems ... the USSR flew to Venus first ... or do I have deafness ?! repeat
        8. bistrov.
          bistrov. 15 September 2020 22: 18
          +8
          Quote: Lipchanin
          A lot was launched to Venus. Only nothing flew

          In the 60-70-80 years in the USSR there was a whole series of automatic interplanetary stations "Venus" (more than 20), many of which not only reached Venus, but also made a soft landing on the planet, transmitting data on the surface temperature to the Earth. pressure, atmospheric composition, radar images of the area. In particular, the temperature on Venus reaches 500 degrees C, the pressure is 90 atmospheres, and the atmosphere consists almost entirely of carbon dioxide. This refuted the idea of ​​Venus, on which a humid atmosphere and the presence of oceans were assumed, in reality there were monstrous conditions, in this regard interest in her sharply weakened.
        9. AVA77
          AVA77 15 September 2020 23: 20
          +3
          Sergei. Only ours and flew and work out. There pressure under 100 atmospheres and temperatures under 500 atmospheres HELL
          1. AVA77
            AVA77 16 September 2020 01: 11
            +2
            the glasses did not stand. melted. specially for venus they came up with a camera with mechanical scanning. it worked a hell of a lot. but these are the only frames. and these are our frames. winked
        10. Unemployed
          Unemployed 16 September 2020 03: 17
          +4
          For you, it can be enchanted. Actually, 30 years ago Venus was called the "Soviet planet" throughout the world.
        11. ALEX_SHTURMAN
          ALEX_SHTURMAN 16 September 2020 07: 52
          0
          You confused it with Mars, it flew to Venus, but with MARS there really is trouble.
        12. Roman13579
          Roman13579 16 September 2020 09: 07
          +1
          Quite the opposite - with Venus in the USSR, everything went more than smoothly ..
          Here Mars somehow kicked constantly ..
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 15 September 2020 19: 43
        +4
        With this statement, Roscosmos commented on the information ...

        In my opinion, the Korolev Design Bureau did not comment on anything at all before the launch of the spacecraft. Yes, and in general few people knew that this design bureau was headed by Sergei Pavlovich.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 15 September 2020 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          In my opinion, the Korolev Design Bureau did not comment on anything at all before the launch of the spacecraft.

          Then times were different, they kept everything secret
          I served at "Baikonur", I can tell a lot about the secret nonsense
        2. mole
          mole 15 September 2020 20: 03
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          With this statement, Roscosmos commented on the information ...

          In my opinion, the Korolev Design Bureau did not comment on anything at all before the launch of the spacecraft. Yes, and in general few people knew that this design bureau was headed by Sergei Pavlovich.

          But everyone knows Rogozin.
      3. slipped
        slipped 15 September 2020 20: 50
        +4
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Did I miss something? And when were the missions "Venus-A", B, C, D? belay


        D means long-lived.
      4. Karabin
        Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 05
        +7
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Did I miss something? And when were the missions "Venus-A", B, C, D?
        The letter means something else. The most important thing is the fight against the crown. Therefore, the vaccine is called "Sputnik - B". B - Vova. ACS "Coalition-S". S- Seryozha. Rogozin also wants to, so "Venera-D" wink
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 15 September 2020 22: 23
          20
          Quote: Karabin
          Rogozin also wants to, so "Venera-D"

          Ragozin has already mastered a lot of things, in his dreams he mastered space distances, but in reality he was engaged in the usual business of Russian officials - "assimilation" of budget funds for family needs.
          His son, growing up the career ladders, is also smart beyond his years, after his dad he will take the reins of the saw-cosmos in his mighty hands and write a book in verse "memories of the former space power."
          P.S. China has recently launched an analogue of Buran and these are not wet balls of the "journalist", but two days in space.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 16 September 2020 01: 59
            -2
            ragozin has already mastered a lot

            The disease is clearly progressing. Launched form. Needs at least "isolation".
      5. Mustached Kok
        Mustached Kok 15 September 2020 22: 20
        +2
        D means "Long-term". All previous missions to the planet, worked on the surface, within minutes, at best, an hour.
      6. Revival
        Revival 15 September 2020 23: 21
        -3
        G will be ...
        That's for sure, the rest is how it goes
      7. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber 16 September 2020 09: 17
        -1
        "D" is "long-lived".
      8. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 September 2020 08: 50
        +2
        Venus is just one example of the phenomenal success of Soviet cosmonautics.
        Soft landings of devices with that imperfect computer technology ...
        It was a triumph for Soviet science. good
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 15 September 2020 19: 59
      +4
      Quote: Sergey39
      Some contradictory statements.

      All gathered on Mars, and Rogozin on Venus .. why would it?
      But seriously, Rogozin's budget was severely cut .. it remained exactly for the construction of a skyscraper .. probably it will be called Venus ..
      1. slipped
        slipped 15 September 2020 21: 26
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        All gathered on Mars,


        We have the ExoMars project on Mars:

        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 16 September 2020 09: 26
          +1
          "ExoMars-2" - international ESA-led program.
          1. slipped
            slipped 16 September 2020 09: 57
            0
            Quote: Zementbomber
            "ExoMars-2" - international ESA-led program.


            ExoMars is a joint European-Russian project. The reception of data from spacecraft is carried out, among other things, by domestic centers for long-distance space communications under the domestic Mars exploration program. In the second part of the project, the Kazachok landing module (pictured at the top of the composite spacecraft) will deliver to the surface of Mars a domestic long-lived planetary scientific platform with the European rover Rosalind Franklin.
            1. Zementbomber
              Zementbomber 16 September 2020 10: 03
              0
              How does this cancel out that the general customer is ESA (by the way, ESA is "not only the European" Agency) and that ESA's role in the program is the leading one?
              1. slipped
                slipped 16 September 2020 10: 14
                -1
                I see your head does not fit, what is a joint space project? It has no concept of "customer" or concept of "leading role". All decisions are made collectively. Let me explain on my fingers - each country makes its own contribution to the project, and the data from the spacecraft are received by a joint group of scientists. There is also a general program for the search for life on Mars. In addition to the general program, each agency in the project has its own directions of work for scientists. As a result, they present reports on a particular work, while the work may also overlap. Is this clear?
                1. Zementbomber
                  Zementbomber 16 September 2020 10: 27
                  0
                  There is no concept of "general customer" in the technological project? Burn ISHO !!
                  Well, yes - in a joint-stock company, decisions are also made collectively. The number of your votes depends on your shareholding.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 16 September 2020 10: 30
                    -1
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    There is no concept of "general customer" in the technological project? Burn ISHO !!


                    The state customers for our contribution to ExoMars are TsNIIMash and IKI RAN. laughing Producers - Lavka and TsiH.

                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Well, yes - in a joint-stock company, decisions are also made collectively. The number of your votes depends on your shareholding.


                    Well, speaking in your language - we have a very significant package in the second part - this is the Proton launch vehicle with the Briz-M upper stage and the landing module with a scientific platform and many instruments, including on the rover, as well as the ground component of the receiving information. I watch you it jars very much. lol
                    1. Zementbomber
                      Zementbomber 16 September 2020 11: 11
                      0
                      1. And for the project as a whole - ESA. wink laughing
                      2. Doesn't jar at all. Your "stake" (to continue the analogy) in the program really weighs. The majority shareholder is beyond doubt - not "minority shareholder" is pathetic with a hundred "common shares" of some kind. But the controlling stake (at least 50% + 1, or even all 75% + 1) is again owned by ESA. wink
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 16 September 2020 11: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        And for the project as a whole - ESA.


                        Not. Russia has its own part and program in it, no matter how you would like it otherwise. laughing Go read our website, everything is clearly written there http://exomars.cosmos.ru/index.php?id=1263
                      2. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 16 September 2020 13: 05
                        -1
                        There is certainly (its own part and program). And the general coordinator and customer is ESA. "as if you would not like it otherwise." Go to the ESA portal and "read".
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 16 September 2020 13: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Go to the ESA portal and "read".


                        Oh, pothead, I see. laughing We read the link above, the site is official by the way:

                        "Joint Russian-European project for the exploration of Mars from the orbit of an artificial satellite and the surface of the planet. "

                        "The agreement provides full participation of Russian scientists and engineers in all international scientific and technical groups that are created within the framework of the ExoMars project, as well as equal rights of Russian and European project participants on scientific data. Russia participates in the launching of vehicles into space and in the scientific program of both stages of the project. Within the framework of both stages, a ground-based scientific complex of the ExoMars project, combined with ESA, will be created in Russia to receive and process scientific information. "

                        Allocated with the aim of breaking through the pan. Or is it useless? laughing
                      4. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 17 September 2020 06: 22
                        -3
                        Russian Patriot? Judging the World by Russians, ghm ... well, let it be "media, blogs and sites"? Well, the clinical picture is quite clear.
                        And now - open: https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration - turn on Google-auto-translate pages and try to find at least some confirmation of your "quotes".
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 17 September 2020 12: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        turn on Google-auto-translation of pages and try to find at least some confirmation of your "quotes".


                        Once again, for pots, this is a joint mission, and this is written on the Russian project website, which is a full-fledged official mission website. If you don't understand such simple things, then these are your problems. lol Further, I see no reason to talk to the pan. laughing
                      6. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 17 September 2020 13: 36
                        -2
                        Once again, for walking anecdotes "patriyotov" - this information will become reliable when and if it is published on the ESA website or in independent universally recognized sources. The value of "reports on epic successes" on Russian information washes (official or not - notit is absolutely important) and the level of trust in them among minimally sane people is not even zero, but a negative value.
                        PySy. Further - I see no reason to talk with the above a walking anecdote "patrietom"
                      7. slipped
                        slipped 17 September 2020 16: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        (official or not - notabsolutely important)


                        She is not Russian in Africa, not Russian. lol
                      8. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 18 September 2020 01: 19
                        -1
                        Exactly (Glory to the Mighty Solar Gods). Today's Russians - to my 13-14-year-old Yomba girls in the Belgian Congo in 1996-97. - and the worn soles of army boots are not suitable.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 16 September 2020 14: 11
    0
    ISS is not involved in this project?
    1. slipped
      slipped 16 September 2020 15: 05
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      ISS is not involved in this project?


      ISS has created a complex for automation and voltage stabilization of the power supply system, and also manufactured an on-board cable network for the Russian landing module.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 16 September 2020 16: 10
        0
        Thank you for your answer .. I just saw the sticker on the Thales Alenia Space module .. - they are long-standing partners .. well, I thought that probably it could not have done without the Reshetnevites ..)))
        1. slipped
          slipped 16 September 2020 19: 50
          0
          Quote: Dikson
          Thank you for your answer .. I just saw the sticker on the Thales Alenia Space module .. - they are long-standing partners .. well, I thought that probably it could not have done without the Reshetnevites ..)))


          By the way, on the VK page on the Shop page https://vk.com/laspace?z=video-53783948_456239034%2Fb1f4e305d18e489c9d a video of the device's assembly appeared.
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 16 September 2020 09: 23
    -3
    All gathered on Mars, and Rogozin on Venus .. why would it?
    But seriously, Rogozin's budget was severely cut .. it remained exactly for the construction of a skyscraper .. probably it will be called Venus ..

    By the same principle. that the USSR also continued the Venusian program even when it became clear that there was little interesting on Venus: "it is better to be the first guy on village Venus than 21st in the catch - in the city on Mars".
  • Finches
    Finches 15 September 2020 20: 00
    +1
    Here I will act as a critic of the current government - we have already conquered the Moon, we can take Venus ... laughing However, today such a reality - first we conquer the planets on Facebook, gain likes and followers, but we will not fly - it's the tenth thing ...
    1. tanki-tanki
      tanki-tanki 15 September 2020 20: 51
      0
      [quote] However, today such a reality - first we conquer the planets on Facebook, gain likes and followers, but we will not fly - it's the tenth thing ... / [quote]
      Sadly, but true.
      1. tanki-tanki
        tanki-tanki 16 September 2020 19: 34
        -1
        However, today such a reality - first we conquer the planets on Facebook, gain likes and followers, but we will not fly - it's the tenth thing ...

        Sadly, but true.
    2. slipped
      slipped 15 September 2020 21: 30
      -1
      Quote: Finches
      Here I will act as a critic of the current government - we have already conquered the Moon, we can take Venus ... laughing


      Next year, the Luna-25 station will fly to the moon with a landing in the Boguslavsky crater. Venera-D is a draft of the future federal space program, and is currently being worked on.
      1. Finches
        Finches 15 September 2020 21: 33
        0
        Good! I'm all for it! But I have more and more confidence in the old fashioned way - we sat in the crater of Boguslavsky - they announced - TASS was authorized to declare .... And so tomorrow we will sit there, after tomorrow here ... Elon Musk will strain if only with these statements!
        I was taught so - better to be than to seem! hi
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 September 2020 21: 45
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          Good! I'm all for it! But I have more and more confidence in the old fashioned way - we sat in Boguslavsky's crater - they announced - TASS is authorized to declare ...


          Are you not interested in preparing for landing? laughing How is the apparatus made, what difficulties do they cope with in the process? Or are you ready to watch the result on TV with popcorn? laughing In general, three stations in a row are planned on Venus.
          1. Finches
            Finches 15 September 2020 21: 52
            -4
            I apologize -You either do not read my comments very carefully or just write to write! hi What is your claim to me, will you be so kind?
            1. slipped
              slipped 15 September 2020 23: 21
              +2
              Quote: Finches
              I apologize -You either do not read my comments very carefully or just write to write! hi What is your claim to me, will you be so kind?


              Most likely - you do not want to understand my answers laughing I just wanted to tell you that Russia is preparing for the Moon and Mars and Venus, the station will fly, is it clear? laughing
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 17 September 2020 12: 23
            0
            Quote: slipped
            In general, three stations in a row are planned on Venus.

            ===
            Why is Venus so much attention? Mars is more promising in terms of development and resources.
            1. slipped
              slipped 17 September 2020 12: 40
              +2
              Quote: Victorio
              Quote: slipped
              In general, three stations in a row are planned on Venus.

              ===
              Why is Venus so much attention? Mars is more promising in terms of development and resources.


              Why only Venus? We are carrying out an extensive program for Mars and now, and for the Moon it will begin in the near future. In the future, after the launch of the nuclear tug Nuclon - the moon of Jupiter.

              Venus is a separate program within the framework of basic scientific research
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 17 September 2020 20: 24
                +1
                Quote: slipped
                Why only Venus? We are carrying out an extensive program for Mars and now, and for the Moon it will begin in the near future. In the future, after the launch of the nuclear tug Nuclon - the moon of Jupiter.

                Venus is a separate program within the framework of basic scientific research

                ===
                well, if so, thanks for the info.
        2. Revival
          Revival 15 September 2020 23: 24
          -2
          This is the first time, I absolutely agree, but this is Mr. Govrorun "white noise", ugh
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 16 September 2020 10: 04
          0
          Quote: Finches
          it's better to be than to seem

          You don't understand anything, we have a "post" era. Postmodernism, post-industrialism, post-irony, post-truth, finally.
          And therefore, the correct post on social networks means much more than any real deal. laughing
    3. Astra55
      Astra55 15 September 2020 21: 32
      +1
      Eh, don't tell me, brother.
      Space is nothing for you. Space is Wow!
      It smells like a billion. And what manager will indifferently walk past Billion?
      So there are serious people working here, we will not get off with one face-forgive God-book.
      Plans, Presentations, fellow .... budget approval at the very top.
      And then. And then what? Then there will be later. Then it will be seen that the main thing is to correctly report on what was spent and why more is needed. repeat
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 33
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      Here I will act as a critic of the current government -

      You, Evgeny, are more careful with criticism, otherwise you can reach the point of denying Putin himself.
      1. Finches
        Finches 15 September 2020 21: 36
        -3
        Where I believe that the Supreme was wrong, I write that I do not agree ... So do not distort, please! hi
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 48
          +9
          Quote: Finches
          Where I believe the Supreme was wrong, I write like this,

          ... that the pindos, boyars, aliens, bulk, winter, oil prices, liberals, reptilians, agents of the State Department are to blame. Joke. laughing
          1. Finches
            Finches 15 September 2020 21: 54
            -6
            Sorry, but not an appropriate joke, in this case! hi
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 57
              +6
              Quote: Finches
              not an appropriate joke, in this case!

              Why is it inappropriate? Have I touched on religious feelings?
              1. Finches
                Finches 15 September 2020 21: 59
                -10 qualifying.
                Not appropriate, then not appropriate! I have the honor!
                1. Karabin
                  Karabin 15 September 2020 22: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Finches
                  Not appropriate, then not appropriate!

                  laughing laughing laughing
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 15 September 2020 22: 09
                    -6
                    However, I am pleased with you, it is they who are to blame! Keep watching soldier
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 15 September 2020 22: 34
              19
              Quote: Finches
              but not an appropriate joke, in this case!

              Why?
              1. Roman13579
                Roman13579 16 September 2020 09: 16
                +1
                Because some do not know how not to take offense at the truth ..))
          2. Roman13579
            Roman13579 16 September 2020 09: 15
            +1
            What a joke this is ..
            Nuuu .. in accordance with the canons - there is some joke there .. about reptilians ..
            And the rest is true ..
  • Civil
    Civil 15 September 2020 20: 29
    +2
    Rogozin announced the development of a mission program to Venus in Russia

    Did you promise the moon? Mars promised. Now Venus. In principle, there are 5 additional planets. You can also return the status of the planet to Pluto by the decision of the State Duma.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 15 September 2020 22: 38
      20
      Quote: Civil
      Did you promise the moon? Mars promised. Now Venus. In principle, there are 5 additional planets. You can also return the status of the planet to Pluto by the decision of the State Duma.

      Brilliant, Comrade !!! It would be necessary to reassign, by decree, Mikhal Ivanych Pluto to "putinOm"!) Although no, this is not its scale, only a black hole. fellow
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 September 2020 17: 22
        -2
        "Putin" - this is how our scientists will name a new element in the periodic table.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 15 September 2020 23: 36
    -2
    Rogozin's journalistic acumen is felt: what's on his subordinate's mind is on the tongue.
    The state corporation "Roscosmos" confirmed that they plan to continue cooperation with the United States on the Venus EXPLORATION program.
    Under the development, in accordance with the prevailing domestic traditions, we mean the dough pilezh, as well as endless verbal chatter. Well, what else could be the "development" of a planet with an insanely hot, dense and acidic atmosphere? You can launch a Venusian satellite, you can leave a balloon in the upper atmosphere, you can finally land a device that will live there for several hours (at best) - but this is called learning, not mastering.
    I think that they will develop a descent vehicle (modeled on the Soviet one) for ten years, then a competition for the best name will be announced, then for several years Mr. Rogozin will rename it, and after that the budget will be exhausted, and "development" will end.
  • halpat
    halpat 16 September 2020 07: 24
    -1
    Please tell me who is in the subject: Does Mr. Rogozin have any achievements in the headed corporation?
    Or did he only deserve the nickname "Batutych"?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 September 2020 19: 26
    14
    "She looked a little like a goddess, but there was something venereal in her ..."
    From folk art ...
  • al3x
    al3x 15 September 2020 19: 29
    +7
    The whole country is waiting impatiently for his statement "on its own". And he is still trying to imitate Lem.
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 15 September 2020 19: 30
    +6
    I propose Rogozin as the crew commander!
    As the coolest dude in our astronautics!
  • Ervin
    Ervin 15 September 2020 19: 33
    -4
    It seems to me that when Rogozin talks about Venus, he means bad "venereal" diseases.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 September 2020 19: 34
    -1
    Do not listen ... trampoline lover, at night, do not send your stomach acidity !!!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 September 2020 19: 35
    -6
    Something Ragozin has nothing to comment on from the word at all. But phosphine is interesting, what kind of reptilians on the surface of Venus "Novichok" are being used to, again Russia is to blame!repeat fellow drinks
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 15 September 2020 19: 36
    0
    Venus rover driven by thermoelectric generator ...
  • Shkworen
    Shkworen 15 September 2020 19: 40
    +4
    there is also phosphine of volcanic origin, and there are active volcanoes on Venus :)
  • demo
    demo 15 September 2020 19: 40
    +4
    It would not be bad to develop a landing module for Venus and send Rogozin in it. One way.
    As soon as I see this name, the mood immediately deteriorates.
  • GREG68
    GREG68 15 September 2020 19: 48
    +2
    Someone take the microphone away from him ... fool
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 September 2020 19: 52
    +3
    Well, Rogozin in projects wherever he flew, that he just did not build, which only rockets he launched ............. he would write books, there would be no price
  • Undecim
    Undecim 15 September 2020 19: 54
    +8
    The state corporation "Roscosmos" confirmed that they plan to continue cooperation with the United States on the Venus exploration program. At the same time, it was decided to abandon the connection of large-scale international cooperation on the Venera-D mission.
    Some kind of casting a shadow on the fence. There has never been any large-scale international cooperation under the Venera-D program. Questions of participation in the program of France, ESA and Japan did not advance further and died in 2010, after which they no longer arose.
    As the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said today, in addition to the joint Venera-D program with the United States, Russian specialists are simultaneously developing their own project.
    And again Mr. Rogozin "veils" something.
    The Venera-D program is purely Russian. NASA participates in the Venera-D Joint Science Definition Team, established in 2013. To date, its activities on the American side glimpse at the level of certain general concepts, on the Russian side it died due to lack of funding.
    Today, the executive director for promising programs and science of the State Corporation "Roscosmos"
    Alexander Bloshenko announced that a decision was made "to implement the previously planned Venera-D mission, which includes landing and orbital modules, as an independent national project without widespread involvement of international cooperation."
    It is followed by a statement that Roscosmos plans to continue cooperation with the United States on the Venera-D mission, which will search for life on the planet, but the American participation will be reduced.
    Will it be so or not?
    1. Liam
      Liam 15 September 2020 20: 04
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      Will it be so or not?

      It will not.

      I was surprised to learn about the new Venusian project, the scientific director of the Institute for Space Policy, Ivan Moiseev.

      “It was an impromptu, characteristic of the head of Roscosmos. When he is asked about something, for example, about Mars, he says that we also do this. Since all this is not included in the space program, it is a shaking of the air, ”Moiseev said.
      According to Moiseev, even the Venera-D project still exists only as an idea, until 2025 no work will be carried out on it, there are only assurances that the project will take place.

      “This is the first time I've heard about a new device, and this is not the first time this has happened. We also have news about the Amur reusable rocket. Dmitry Olegovich is not holding back anything, if the Americans say that they will fly to Pluto, he will say that we also have such a program for a long time, he will also promise, - the expert added. - We have no science. There are only promises
      1. slipped
        slipped 15 September 2020 21: 08
        0
        Quote: Liam
        I was surprised to learn about the new Venusian project, the scientific director of the Institute for Space Policy, Ivan Moiseev.


        Well, this expert with his self-proclaimed "institute" can do just that - with surprise laughing
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 16 September 2020 09: 34
          -3
          Learn:
          http://ispolicy.ru
          - any IKP more authoritative "space thinker" from the political economy of socialism DOR.
          1. slipped
            slipped 16 September 2020 10: 01
            0
            Quote: Zementbomber
            Learn:
            http://ispolicy.ru
            - any IKP more authoritative "space thinker" from the political economy of socialism DOR.


            Blah-blah-blah (there should have been another word here) don't roll bags, right? lol They are experts. laughing
            1. Zementbomber
              Zementbomber 16 September 2020 10: 17
              -3
              Translated from Russian into Russian: you have nothing to cover from the word "absolutely". laughing
              1. slipped
                slipped 16 September 2020 10: 18
                +1
                Quote: Zementbomber
                Translated from Russian into Russian: you have nothing to cover from the word "absolutely". laughing


                Also an expert? laughing Well, if you cover it, then that expert is nothing about some and does not know devices to Venus.

                We can make out the words of this expert, it's not difficult for me:

                "When he is asked about something, for example, about Mars, he says that we do this too."

                Project "ExoMars", landing module "Kazachok". And already done.

                "This is the first time I hear about a new device, and this is not the first time this has happened."

                You always learn something new for the first time. laughing

                "We also have news about the Amur reusable rocket."

                Eksperd doesn't even know that this rocket is NOT called that. Now the Amur space rocket complex is being built as part of the second stage on the Vostochny with missiles of the Angara series.

                "if the Americans say they will fly to Pluto, he will say that we also have such a program for a long time."

                Speculation, speculation. No Pluto exists. Exists on Jupiter.

                "We have no science. There are only promises."

                He should visit the Space Research Institute more often. laughing
                1. Zementbomber
                  Zementbomber 16 September 2020 11: 02
                  -2
                  "When he is asked about something, for example, about Mars, he says that we do this too."

                  Project "ExoMars", landing module "Kazachok". And already done.

                  Is it able to launch without ESA participation?

                  "This is the first time I hear about a new device, and this is not the first time this has happened."

                  You always learn something new for the first time. laughing

                  And even then - here's the "new":
                  On the Russian side, due to the implementation period of the program only after 2025, funding for the coming years is not provided


                  "We also have news about the Amur reusable rocket."

                  Eksperd doesn't even know that this rocket is NOT called that. Now the Amur space rocket complex is being built as part of the second stage on the Vostochny with missiles of the Angara series.

                  On September 9, 2019, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin told the media that Soyuz-6 could be named Amur


                  "We have no science. There are only promises."

                  He should visit the Space Research Institute more often. laughing

                  If we understand by "science" of space exploration with the help of an AMS - then apart from a few shaky plans to launch Luna-25 next year - you really don't really have a nifig right now. And the IKI RAN is disgraced by the fact that it is actively preparing a kidney for the campaign "the landing on Mars was filmed in Hollywood!" bully
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 16 September 2020 11: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    Is it able to launch without ESA participation?


                    It was made as part of a joint program with ESA. Why run it separately? belay

                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    And even then - here's the "new":


                    This is not "new", it is "old" and only says that as a result of the budget sequestration in 2016, no work on the project is envisaged in the current FKP. We have a new FKP since 2025. Hence, the work on the project is planned for this period.

                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    On September 9, 2019, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin told the media that Soyuz-6 could be named Amur


                    And what does a reusable rocket have to do with it? laughing The missile that is reusable is called Soyuz-LNG.

                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    If we understand by "science" of space exploration with the help of an AMS - then apart from a few shaky plans to launch Luna-25 next year - you really don't really have a nifig right now.


                    Oh well, what we don't have there laughing We are doing great work on Mars from the TGO orbital probe. Work reports are regularly posted at http://press.cosmos.ru/ekzomars-obnaruzhil-novye-polosy-pogloshcheniya-uglekisloty-i-ozona and if this expert does not read them, then this is his problem. And work is also underway on the Moon.
                    1. Zementbomber
                      Zementbomber 16 September 2020 11: 31
                      -2
                      It was made as part of a joint program with ESA. Why run it separately? belay

                      Well, that is, without the participation of ESA, it is of no value. ChiTD.
                      This is not "new", it is "old" and only says that as a result of the budget sequestration in 2016, no work on the project is envisaged in the current FKP. We have a new FKP since 2025. Hence, the work on the project is planned for this period.

                      Translated from Russian into Russian: work on the project will begin no earlier than 2026. Maybe. ChiTD.
                      And what does a reusable rocket have to do with it? laughing The reusable missile is called Soyuz-LNG.

                      Soyuz-LNG is Soyuz-7". He is "Cupid" (already the second).
                      Let me remind you: earlier you stated that the Amur launch vehicle did not exist even in the projects.
                      Come on, we don't have laughing. We are doing great work on Mars from the TGO orbital probe. Work reports are regularly posted at http://press.cosmos.ru/ekzomars-obnaruzhil-novye-polosy-pogloshcheniya-uglekisloty-i-ozona and if this expert does not read them, then this is his problem. And work is underway on the Moon too ...

                      Let me remind you: TGO is the ESA apparatus. The contribution of IKI RAN is two scientific instruments.
                      Well, yes - "the work is on the moon." How was helium-3 supposed to be mined there for several years - to remind?
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 16 September 2020 11: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Well, that is, without the participation of ESA, it is of no value. ChiTD.


                        It seems to me that you are just a lamer in this matter. CHTD. laughing This is part of the overall project.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Translated from Russian into Russian: work on the project will begin no earlier than 2026.


                        So it is said about it. In the meantime, studies and consultations are underway. All projects start like this. Including "Venera-D".

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Soyuz-LNG is Soyuz-7


                        What kind of "Soyuz-7" ?! laughing do not come up with. At the moment, production work is underway on Soyuz-5, only next year they will start sketching for Soyuz-6. And Soyuz-LNG is still a preliminary project.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Let me remind you: earlier you stated that the Amur launch vehicle did not exist even in the projects.


                        I looked and did not find it. laughing The name Amur is now assigned to the KRK on Vostochny.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Let me remind you: TGO is the ESA apparatus. The contribution of IKI RAN is two scientific instruments.


                        Let me remind you that TGO was launched to Mars by a Proton-M rocket. And "two scientific instruments" have already provided a large amount of interesting data.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Well, yes - "the work is on the moon." How was helium-3 supposed to be mined there for several years - to remind?


                        I don't know about helium-3, but our LAND device has compiled a map of the location of water ice on the Moon - that's a fact. laughing
                      2. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 16 September 2020 12: 15
                        -3
                        It seems to me that you are just a lamer in this matter. CHTD. laughing This is part of the overall project.

                        Which cannot be realized without ESA. ChiTD.
                        So it is said about it. In the meantime, studies and consultations are underway. All projects start like this. Including "Venera-D".

                        T..e - there is no project yet. There are only loud statements. ChiTD.
                        What kind of "Soyuz-7" ?! laughing don't come up with it. At the moment, production work is underway on Soyuz-5, only next year they will start sketching for Soyuz-6. And Soyuz-LNG is still a preliminary project.

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7-7_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7-6_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%88_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)
                        I looked and did not find it. laughing The name "Amur" is now assigned to the KRK on "Vostochny"

                        See links above E. wink
                        Let me remind you that TGO was launched to Mars by a Proton-M rocket. And "two scientific instruments" have already provided a large amount of interesting data.

                        AND?? How does this cancel out the fact that TGO is ESA's apparatus?
                        I don’t know about helium-3, but our LAND device has compiled a map of the location of water ice on the moon - this is a fact. laughing

                        And it would be necessary to raise your old links. despite the official "Federal Law on Oblivion" and many unofficial "Requests for Oblivion" - RuNet is still very poorly cleaned up ... laughing
                        .
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 16 September 2020 13: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Which cannot be realized without ESA. ChiTD.


                        Project from our side initially was implemented with ESA. I see you do not understand this by definition. laughing For some reason it doesn't fit in your head. lol Earlier, our rockets launched other ESA projects in which Russia took part with its contribution - Integral, Mars-Express, Venus-Express and in which Russia had its own scientific program - on Integral - 25% of the observation time, and the AMS fulfilled our requests ...

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        T..e - there is no project yet. There are only loud statements. ChiTD.


                        There is a preliminary project on which consultations are underway, a scientific program is being worked out. This is how any projects begin.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7-7_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7-6_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%88_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C)


                        You don't give me a set of percentages with letters and numbers. laughing There is no such rocket - "Soyuz-7" from the word at all. There is "Soyuz-5", "Soyuz-6" is planned, then the name of the avaproject from the RCC "Progress" - "Soyuz-LNG". Is that unclear to you? laughing The rest was invented by the journalists.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        See links above E. wink


                        Here it is - it was exactly exiled. lol

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        AND?? How does this cancel out the fact that TGO is ESA's apparatus?


                        And it is successfully working within the Russian Mars exploration program, but I gave you a link to the official website above. laughing Read.
                      4. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 16 September 2020 13: 34
                        -3
                        The project from our side was originally implemented with ESA. I see you do not understand this by definition. laughing For some reason it doesn't fit in your head. lol

                        Why not "understand"? everything is clear. Without ESA, the project would not existed.
                        There is a preliminary project on which consultations are underway, a scientific program is being worked out. This is how any projects begin.

                        Translated from Russian into Russian: no project. There are "Wishlist", "general considerations" and "loud applications".
                        You don't give me a set of percentages with letters and numbers. laughing There is no such rocket - "Soyuz-7" from the word at all. There is "Soyuz-5", "Soyuz-6" is planned, then the name of the avaproject from the RCC "Progress" - "Soyuz-LNG". Is that unclear to you? laughing The rest was invented by the journalists.

                        And even then - what can be "numbers with letters"? When it is clear that it is not. What is ... laughing
                        And it is successfully working within the Russian Mars exploration program, but I gave you a link to the official website above. laughing Read.

                        So I say - read! On the ESA website. How does it really work successfully - within the framework of the "conditionally European" (for ESA - not "purely European" Agency) of the Mars exploration program.
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 16 September 2020 15: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Why not "understand"? everything is clear. Without ESA, the project would not existed.


                        Without ESA, there would be another project. As there are many other projects without ESA.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Translated from Russian into Russian: no project. There are "Wishlist", "general considerations" and "loud applications".


                        However, there is work on it. laughing As with other projects.

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        And even then - what can be "numbers with letters"? When it is clear that it is not. What is ... laughing


                        I understand the pot is tight, but not as much. laughing

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        So I say - read! On the ESA website.


                        I gave you Russian the site of this project, not the site of ESA. Read on.
                      6. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 17 September 2020 06: 34
                        -3
                        Without ESA, there would be another project. As there are many other projects without ESA.

                        Not Martian. Any independent Martian project of Russia was beyond the power neither then, nor now, nor for the foreseeable depth of planning.
                        However, there is work on it. laughing

                        This is yes. To generate wishlist and loud statements - also Job.
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        And even then - what can be "numbers with letters"? When it is clear that it is not. Of what is ... laughing

                        I understand the pan is tight, but not as much. laughing

                        Yes, of course, the Russian Patriot cannot be confused by some indisputable and well-known facts! laughing
                        I gave you the Russian site of this project, not the ESA site. Read on.

                        Usually - I still use AI. AI in this case - acc. section of the ESA website, not the "Russian project site". hi
                      7. slipped
                        slipped 17 September 2020 12: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Not Martian. Any independent Martian project of Russia was beyond the power neither then, nor now, nor for the foreseeable depth of planning.


                        Well, well laughing your pan presses a lot, you know nothing about the "foreseeable planning depth" laughing

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Yes, of course, the Russian Patriot cannot be confused by some indisputable and well-known facts! laughing


                        Sucked from my finger laughing

                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        Usually - I still use AI. AI in this case - acc. section of the ESA website, not the "Russian project site". hi


                        I live in Russia and use Russian network resources. Including space projects.
                      8. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 17 September 2020 13: 28
                        -3
                        Well, well, laughing your pan presses heavily, you know nothing about the "foreseeable planning depth" laughing

                        The fact of the matter is that I just know - in contrast to the happy owners of brainwashed patriotism.
                        Finger-sucked laughing

                        Well-known and confirmed AI level 80. Incl. even from native official sources.
                        I live in Russia and use Russian network resources. Including space projects.

                        Well - if you prefer to eat spoiled food from the trash heap in a rural canteen, and not in a Warsaw top-class restaurant - these are your and only your problems. bully
                      9. slipped
                        slipped 17 September 2020 16: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        and not in a top-class Warsaw restaurant - these are your and only your problems. bully


                        Pan nove poliak? laughing Now it's clear where the pan comes from. lol
                      10. Zementbomber
                        Zementbomber 7 October 2020 22: 21
                        0
                        Yes, a Pole. And the old pots from the frying pan from home - I handed out long ago as humanitarian aid to the employees of "Roscosmos". Because the new wife and our chef decided that the house also needed new dishes - European quality.
  • GREG68
    GREG68 15 September 2020 19: 57
    +2
    It is a colorless poisonous gas that can be of both biological origin and industrial origin.

    The Chinese are already there on Venus. Underground iPhones rivet.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 September 2020 20: 12
    +3
    why not directly in the sun?
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 15 September 2020 20: 20
      +4
      why not directly in the sun?


      The sun is busy - the DPRK is flying there. Everyone has already staked out ...
  • Alien From
    Alien From 15 September 2020 20: 14
    +3
    We have a new science fiction writer .... though not entirely new))
  • Free wind
    Free wind 15 September 2020 20: 14
    +3
    The gas is phosphine, and there are also venereologists on earth, these can definitely establish whether there is a venereology of this figure.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 15 September 2020 20: 23
    +4
    Phosphine is too unreliable a marker of life, like cyanides, for example.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 September 2020 21: 37
      -1
      Phosphine is secreted by bacteria that feed on phosphorus.
      And no other way of producing this gas is known.
      It is assumed that in the atmosphere of Venus at an altitude of 50 km
      bacteria live. To prove this, you need to fly there. fellow
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 16 September 2020 01: 05
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        no other method of producing this gas is known.

        It seems, as far as I remember, you can inadvertently get it if you vzbrandit with phosphorus compounds to indulge in.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 September 2020 08: 59
          -1
          Chemists get it in some cunning way. But natural ways have not been noticed.
          When lightning strikes, tiny portions are sometimes released.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 17 September 2020 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Chemists get it in some cunning way... But natural ways have not been noticed.
            When lightning strikes, tiny portions are sometimes released.

            ===
            have been surprising lately. phosphine gas is released when wet ferrosilicon (a type of ferroalloy used in steel production). to this ferroalloy there are special requirements for storage, transportation. first encountered him in the mid-80s in the port of Ventspils.
      2. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber 17 September 2020 06: 41
        0
        The atmosphere of Venus is hot and dense enough to admit the possibility of stable presence of fine suspended matter, droplets or gaseous phosphorus in it at high altitudes and its reaction with hydrogen chloride. And there will be phosphine.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 15 September 2020 20: 25
    +1
    It should be directly to the sun. Nobody has been there yet.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 16 September 2020 02: 04
      -3
      It should be directly to the sun. Nobody has been there yet.

      How? Judging by the awards, "fireman" Shoigo has already "localized" him more than once. winked
  • Humpty
    Humpty 15 September 2020 20: 29
    -2
    Quote: Ryaruav
    why not directly in the sun?

    Do you think that Rogozin does not know that you can fly there only at night!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 16 September 2020 02: 05
      0
      Do you think that Rogozin does not know that you can fly there only at night!

      hi Citing poor visibility, you can get off with a cartoon for "believers". wink
  • Million
    Million 15 September 2020 20: 40
    +4
    An energetic, stupid chatterbox!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 16 September 2020 02: 07
      0
      An energetic, stupid chatterbox!

      hi Match the boss. This is the main thing, and do not care about space. wink
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 September 2020 20: 48
    -1
    I'm so wondering ... who else believes in Rogozin's words ?! repeat laughing lol
    He sawed all the money .... turned Russia into a "space cab" ... As for the Eastern one, even YOURSELF !!! indignant ... repeat and then believe him ?! am
  • Alf
    Alf 15 September 2020 20: 50
    +4
    The state corporation "Roskosmos" confirmed that they plan to continue cooperation with the United States on the Venus exploration program.

    They sanction us, and we are their joint program ... I don't understand something in this Russia ..
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 16 September 2020 02: 09
      0
      They sanction us, and we are their joint program ...

      hi The sanctions are the "joint program". The deeper the "perspective" is.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 15 September 2020 20: 58
    +2
    this (e) effective manager as a generator of random words and thoughts, even if he brings the federation to mind, fucking tramp
  • slipped
    slipped 15 September 2020 20: 59
    +4
    In the meantime, while they are deciding whether the Americans will be involved in the project, the Optical and Physical Research Department of the Space Research Institute (IKI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences is considering the possibility of installing cameras on the Venera-D automatic station, which will be able to take a panorama of the planet's surface and video of the landing.

    From a technical point of view, the television system for Venus-D will differ from the lunar one. In particular, cameras will be installed inside the spacecraft to protect against high temperatures and pressures on the planet's surface. The lens is essentially planned to be divided into two parts. The front will be mounted outside, followed by the light guide and rear of the lens.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 08
    +4
    Roscosmos commented on the information about phosphine found in the Venusian atmosphere. It is a colorless poisonous gas ...

    That's not enough for us "Newbie"! Now they will reproach with phosphine. wink
    1. dauria
      dauria 15 September 2020 21: 24
      +2
      Now they will reproach with phosphine.

      Will not. The British discovered it. It is hoped that extremophiles have settled down in acid clouds (sulfuric acid) at an altitude of 60 kilometers. There temperature and pressure are normal, "earthly". So they produce so-so probability, but scientists are so happy.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 15 September 2020 21: 09
    0
    Send already the Rogozin to Venus. Or at least into orbit, the main thing is away from the post of the head of Roscosmos.
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 September 2020 22: 36
      +1
      Quote: silver_roman
      Send already the Rogozin to Venus.

      Together with the Kremlin crew.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 15 September 2020 21: 17
    +3
    Rogozin said

    Space Stargun.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 15 September 2020 22: 06
    0
    Amerikosov if you have a drill and drill. A woman with a cart is easier for a mare. Behold at the root. Continue to continue? ...
  • AnderS
    AnderS 15 September 2020 22: 07
    -2
    I’m wondering if anyone else takes seriously the statements of this bre.hu.na? It is not for nothing that they say, pi ... do not move bags ...
    1. solzh
      solzh 15 September 2020 22: 54
      +7
      Quote: AnderS
      does anyone else take seriously the statements of this bree.hu.na?

      Power? If they didn’t believe him and didn’t take him seriously, he would have left Roscosmos long ago.
  • rruvim
    rruvim 15 September 2020 22: 15
    -3
    Rogozin is becoming more and more a politician. It's no secret that the USSR and the USA divided the planets. We were dealing with Venus, they were with Mars. Rogozin follows this paradigm.
  • AML
    AML 15 September 2020 22: 29
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    Phosphine is too unreliable a marker of life, like cyanides, for example.

    We must first give a definition of what life is, otherwise there are organosilicon bacteria on earth, which also seem to be like life. Or not? :)
  • Yuri Stepanov
    Yuri Stepanov 15 September 2020 22: 29
    +1
    Moon Mars Venus .... the only place where it will fly 100% is the Kremlin and the Ministry of Finance.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 September 2020 22: 30
    -3
    The "mission program" can be called "venereal". Rogozin is a journalist by education. He's probably trolling like a specific journalist. But it is impossible to imagine that any journalist was in charge of a space exploration program.
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 September 2020 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      But it is impossible to imagine that any journalist was in charge of a space exploration program.

      Why is it impossible ?
      "Russia is a country of opportunities".
      Can you imagine THIS?




      First he is the manager of the "singing cowards", then he is not the last person in the construction business, but at his leisure he builds aircraft at the UAC ..
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 15 September 2020 23: 07
        18
        Quote: Alf
        First he is the manager of the "singing cowards", then he is not the last person in the construction business, but at his leisure he builds aircraft at the UAC ..

        I am very sorry, but in Putin's Russian Federation, many people think that playing with thimbles and building airplanes are matters of equal complexity.
        After all, the head of the club turns out to be a foreign country, and his sparing friend turns out to build "masterpiece" bridges, a deaf and fat penguin can "surf" the expanses of the universe and build a helicopter against this background is a trifling matter.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 15 September 2020 22: 49
      20
      Quote: iouris
      But it is impossible to imagine that any journalist was in charge of a space exploration program.

      I am very sorry, but no one could have imagined the role of the "lord of the rings" as a head club. However, it happened .... And now he lives not only in blue screens and in many "fiery" hearts.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 15 September 2020 22: 44
    0
    Something "Boni-M" remembered ...
    "Night flight to Venus".
    "Wai-wai, Ra-go-zin, rashn gretest love machines!"
  • Revival
    Revival 15 September 2020 23: 20
    +2
    "It is a colorless, poisonous gas that can be of biological or industrial origin."

    Undoubtedly industrial!))
  • AML
    AML 15 September 2020 23: 49
    +2
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Alf
    First he is the manager of the "singing cowards", then he is not the last person in the construction business, but at his leisure he builds aircraft at the UAC ..

    I am very sorry, but in Putin's Russian Federation, many people think that playing with thimbles and building airplanes are matters of equal complexity.


    From the first lines you can feel the experience of a senior manager :)

    Yes maybe. Yes, equal in complexity. There is no need to understand the little things, there are engineers, technologists and other comrades for this. Don't believe me? And it is not necessary. Read Western literature. You can trust her.

    Does Musk know how to personally design rockets? Can not. But Musk is great, and Rogozin is incompetent for opening his mouth too. How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 16 September 2020 00: 09
      19
      Quote: AML
      Does Musk know how to personally design rockets? Can not. But Musk is great, and Rogozin is incompetent for opening his mouth too. How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

      Sorry, colleague! Why are you trying to shift your head bifurcations onto your opponents?
      Let's take the facts! Musk (his engineers) launched a manned spacecraft to the ISS - it's a fact!
      Musk (his engineers) have built a line of launch vehicles that are pushing the Russian Federation out of the space launch market - this is also a fact.
      And what about ragozin? Eastern is not built - a fact! There are no real programs for the exploration of deep space, and this is a fact
      And Angara doesn't fly anywhere ...
      Well, where and who has that doubled in the head?
      1. AML
        AML 16 September 2020 00: 28
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        Quote: AML
        Does Musk know how to personally design rockets? Can not. But Musk is great, and Rogozin is incompetent for opening his mouth too. How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

        Sorry, colleague! Why are you trying to shift your head bifurcations onto your opponents?
        Let's take the facts! Musk (his engineers) launched a manned spacecraft to the ISS - it's a fact!
        Musk (his engineers) have built a line of launch vehicles that are pushing the Russian Federation out of the space launch market - this is also a fact.
        And what about ragozin? Eastern is not built - a fact! There are no real programs for the exploration of deep space, and this is a fact
        And Angara doesn't fly anywhere ...
        Well, where and who has that doubled in the head?


        Chukchi is not a reader, is a Chukchi writer? They really say that the number of population on the planet is growing, but the amount of reason remains in the same place. Read reread.

        PySy. If you find where I wrote something about the split in my head, I will apologize. Not. Please.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 16 September 2020 00: 40
          19
          Quote: AML
          How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

          Are these your words ?! The interpretation can only be that the controversy in your opinion is more than two, is it right? In this case, I used the word "bifurcation", because calculation does not sound very good, colleague.)))) laughing
          Quote: AML
          If you find where I wrote something about the split in my head, I will apologize. Not. Please.

          you are welcome) hi
          PySy. Colleague, believe me, it’s so lazy and sad for me to read pearls praising and justifying the current Russian reality that I can’t even eat.
          I am taking my leave for the sim. hi And good night to you. yes
    2. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 16 September 2020 00: 12
      +1
      Does Musk know how to personally design rockets? Can not. But Musk is great, and Rogozin is incompetent for opening his mouth too. How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

      They are respected and hated not for the fact that they open their mouths, but for their deeds.
      Beria also did not understand anything about the technologies for creating a nuclear bomb. However, she appeared. Musk is probably not smart about creating reusable missiles, but they are and have appeared with him.
      What breakthrough came under Rogozin, apart from loud statements about theft from the East? Just don’t talk about projects like Mars-500, where people were locked up. It may be important, but there is not a single drop of breakthrough in this.
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 16 September 2020 00: 18
    -1
    As the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said today, in addition to the joint Venera-D program with the United States, Russian specialists are simultaneously developing their own project. From the article. Rogozin's further projects will be announced on Ren TV
  • AML
    AML 16 September 2020 00: 22
    +3
    Quote: Angelo Provolone
    Does Musk know how to personally design rockets? Can not. But Musk is great, and Rogozin is incompetent for opening his mouth too. How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

    They are respected and hated not for the fact that they open their mouths, but for their deeds.
    Beria also did not understand anything about the technologies for creating a nuclear bomb. However, she appeared. Musk is probably not smart about creating reusable missiles, but they are and have appeared with him.
    What breakthrough came under Rogozin, apart from loud statements about theft from the East? Just don’t talk about projects like Mars-500, where people were locked up. It may be important, but there is not a single drop of breakthrough in this.


    Initially, the question was different. Can a construction manager run the space industry? If you read it inattentively, then I replied that it can.

    I am absolutely indifferent to Rogozin and others, but there is no need to operate with things about which you have no idea. So, for example. In the USSR, atomic bombs were created not by the Ministry of Defense, but by the Ministry of Agriculture. I hope the analogy is clear.
    1. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 16 September 2020 01: 45
      -3
      Can a construction manager run the space industry?

      Well, you just mentioned Rogozin, and not an abstract person in the first message. Abstract man and Rogozin are fundamentally different things.
  • Charik
    Charik 16 September 2020 00: 37
    -3
    On the moon was on Mars it was now on Venus promises (I promise to promise promised)
    1. AML
      AML 16 September 2020 00: 41
      +1
      Quote: Charik
      On the moon was on Mars it was now on Venus promises (I promise to promise promised)

      And only the blind did not notice today's news about the space tractor. Well, okay then.
  • Praetorian4
    Praetorian4 16 September 2020 01: 31
    0
    It would be better if he kept quiet more often.
  • AML
    AML 16 September 2020 01: 49
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: AML
    How do you manage so many contradictions in your head?

    Are these your words ?! The interpretation can only be that the controversy in your opinion is more than two, is it right? In this case, I used the word "bifurcation", because calculation does not sound very good, colleague.)))) laughing
    Quote: AML
    If you find where I wrote something about the split in my head, I will apologize. Not. Please.

    you are welcome) hi
    PySy. Colleague, believe me, it’s so lazy and sad for me to read pearls praising and justifying the current Russian reality that I can’t even eat.
    I am taking my leave for the sim. hi And good night to you. yes


    Do you know how a boy differs from a man? The man is responsible for his words, but the boy is not. My fi to you.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 16 September 2020 20: 53
      16
      Quote: AML
      Do you know how a boy differs from a man? The man is responsible for his words, but the boy is not. My fi to you.

      Oh, you yeshkin cat! you were dunked in your own analyzes.! and he "fi ... makes the people smaller, however. request
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 16 September 2020 02: 20
    0
    And what he was going to fly on, those enterprises that made unique electronics for descent vehicles capable of being on Venus have long been in ruins
    Another zilch, it's good if the moon-27 is launched, I would be silent about Venus already
  • Unemployed
    Unemployed 16 September 2020 03: 12
    -1
    Will he really fly himself? Not. Venus is undesirable. It's hard to breathe there. Better directly to the sun. Only at night, so as not to be hot.
  • Andrew 40
    Andrew 40 16 September 2020 03: 31
    0
    a church on the territory of the rocosmos will be able to build, but a spaceship, and even before Venus, is not. The times are not right.
  • Rheinmetall
    Rheinmetall 16 September 2020 04: 56
    -2
    Somehow, Roskosmos swings too far at once, the moon is not mastered, Mars is not mastered, and then - bam - to immediately master Venus, with its Über-aggressive atmosphere ... and why? Scientific study is understandable and commendable, but mastering ...
  • Mimino
    Mimino 16 September 2020 07: 28
    +1
    I hope Rogozin himself will fly first? And then, suddenly there again myrykansky shpiens will drill a hole.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 16 September 2020 07: 34
    -1
    As soon as the Americans became interested in Venus and announced their program, the head of Roscosmos issued a response statement ... there is no end to the work! .. The reusable ship has already been done, the lunar program has been exceeded, and two whole cosmodromes have been built and they flew to Mars .. What else ? Only Venus .. With Venus, just everything can work out - they will take out the drawings from the cabinets, insert a newer filling, and they will start it .. If the old calculations remain in the archives, it may fly ... In general, the head of Roscosmos can be understood .. - he, as an experienced journalist and PR specialist, understands perfectly well that in the current situation, against the backdrop of an endless series of ridiculous fiascoes and troubles, even a modest repetition of the forgotten successes of Soviet cosmonautics will be perceived as a grandiose victory of modern Russian science and engineering ...
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 16 September 2020 09: 07
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      With Venus, just everything can work out - they will take out the drawings from the cabinets, stick in a newer filling, and they will launch it .. If the old calculations remain in the archives, it may fly ...

      This is provided that the defective managers not all the specialists were killed.
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 16 September 2020 08: 13
    +3
    The general of trampoline centers decided to swing at William our Venus ...
  • zwlad
    zwlad 16 September 2020 09: 04
    0
    Shall we build a joint trampoline to Venus?