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Why did Russians hate Donbass?

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Unexpected revelations



There is a thread of comments in the networks, where a Russian woman organizing the training of residents of the DPR in the military schools of the Russian Federation attacks the Donetsk people with biblical anger.


Tatiana Fomina writes:

In the ruble zone for almost 7 years, citizenship is duty-free for a month. You, Donetsk, only need money, but drive your children into the trenches and make a banana republic at our expense. Take your time with Russian citizenship, as well as with DPR passports. Also tell them that they are not bombing you, because the Minsk agreements. Yes, and remind me, where was the well-fed Donbass for 25 years of wars in Russia? In his hut on the edge. People stood up for their identity, not for Russia. I have a project for almost 4 years for young people from Donbass. Not a single Donetsk croaker like you has ever helped his own people. You only sing songs ... Beyond the border is to steal humanitarian aid from your weakest, as you have been successfully practicing for 5 years. Beyond the border - from the school bench to send Donetsk boys to the trenches, as you all love there. "We have fought, now it's your turn, children." Beyond the brink - to steal Russian money for the treatment of Donetsk wounded ... Homeland the size of a vegetable garden. And the brains are the same. It's good that there are more normal Donetsk residents. In any case, there are no others like you in my environment. And Donbass is already part of Russia. Not by your efforts, but by our solutions for system integration.

In response to these revelations, emotions flooded first.

There was still a lot about how the inhabitants of the LPR are to blame for the fact that they do not issue enough Russian passports, and other unfair reproaches.

And then, having cooled down, I involuntarily wondered: are the reproaches so unfair? Obviously not one hundred percent.

About "crypto Bandera


This, of course, smacks of chauvinism and swinishness, when the inhabitants of Donbass put the military leader Steshin in the form of his "Crypto-Bandera" and reproach Russia that she "did not protect so well", "helps little", etc. But no less swinish than when what well-fed people say that “Donbass got up wrong” (it is clear that the Crimeans, having stood for two days with sticks at checkpoints, showed such heroism that they still give each other medals), or talk about “ungrateful Donetsk people”, “ come in large numbers ", etc.

At the same time, it must be admitted that the theft of humanitarian aid is not only a proven fact, but also not completely exterminated (unfortunately, one has to face this phenomenon even today). And what about the misuse of funds allocated for children and the elderly! In general, how should Russians feel about the endless line of Donbass smugglers and embezzlers who trade with Ukraine and / or rob their own people? How to treat the multitude of Donbass residents who have been living in Russia for years, but do not want to legalize? How to understand, finally, healthy men who in 2014 were lying on the Crimean beaches and drinking beer in Tver? A phenomenon that simply does not fit in the head.

Yes, the residents of Donbass have something to reproach. Not only are they sinful, but they also suffer not only from common ailments for the entire post-Soviet space, but also specific ailments nurtured in Ukraine. However, one should not forget that the Russians are also actively taking part in the robbery of the LDNR. In the end, budgets are cut, and coal and metal are sold to the left, not without the participation of people who must control these processes and suppress any inclinations.

Limitrophic syndrome


Yes, it must be admitted that in 2014 not everyone got up and even took weapon - specifically for Russia and for reunification with it. Among the organizers and leaders of the protest there were many who dreamed either about another Ukraine, friendly with the Russian Federation and successfully absorbing Russian aid, or about the same, but in the size of Donbass. There were also those (especially among the militia) who thought little about politics and fired at fascism, nationalism, at the dictatorship of an alien and disgusting order.

But what can I say, in many respects the activities of Alexander Zakharchenko and the disgraced Igor Plotnitsky were aimed precisely at creating independent appanage principalities in the LPNR that would live on their own initiative (but at the same time receiving financial support from the Russian Federation), trading and bargaining in their own way discretion with both Ukraine and Russia. It didn’t work out, of course, but such sentiments are still alive today, although the chances for such a scenario to come true are becoming more and more illusory every day.

Without options


The reality is that the LDNR has a long way to go, during which it will have to finally recover from its vices, acquired during 23 years of cursed "independence". Assimilation is proceeding, albeit not as quickly as we would like. To some extent, Donbass is a mirror, looking into which Russia can see not only its recent past, but also what the country would have become under the careful guidance of liberals and "market people".

Probably, we will have to understand this parable together in order to finally and irrevocably realize in the near future the fact that Donbass is an integral part of Russia, which has finally nailed to its native shores. Therefore, it is necessary to get rid of both "independent" hallucinations and allusions about "enough to feed Donbass" as soon as possible.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 16 September 2020 18: 11
    27
    Another provocation.
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 September 2020 18: 14
      +5
      What kind of bulk ???
      1. nnm
        nnm 16 September 2020 18: 44
        11
        And what a title! Apparently, tomorrow the Ukrainian media will come out under the headlines "Even the most tight-knit websites in Russia have admitted the hatred of Russians towards Donetsk residents!"
        And it would be interesting to know what exactly it is about:
        Yes, the residents of Donbass have something to reproach. Not only sinful, but also sick not only with common ailments for the entire post-Soviet space
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 September 2020 18: 55
        51
        Quote: Finches
        What kind of bulk ???

        Of course, the article is ambiguous, but humanitarian aid was stolen, there was reket and outright banditry. Undercover, and not so much, the showdown between the leaders was the same. The common people do not live very well there. The Russian Federation, despite the requests of the people of the LDNR, did not accept them into the Russian Federation, and stopped the offensive near Mariupol. Declared an economic blockade on Ukraine? As the Russian Federation traded with Ukraine, so it is trading. As were the banks of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, so they are. Are there our banks in the LDNR? And what about our mobile operators? In your opinion, this should be the Russian World?
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 September 2020 21: 51
          +6
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And what about our mobile operators?

          Who told you that cellular operators are Russian?
          Actually, it's hard to disagree with you. All this was and is. The question is - what is the article about and how is it NAME? In general, everything is correct in the article. And in the title? I strongly disagree with the name. And, I suppose, the author titled it like that for a reason. Threw a pebble and watched the circles go. If there are more "approvals", then the next article will already be in the spirit of the title of the current one. Look, Yegor Makhov, don't overdo it. Whatever happens.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 September 2020 23: 22
            +3
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Who told you that cellular operators are Russian?

            And we also have Rosbank - a French bank and even Gazprom, "Russia's national treasure", in fact, is not quite a Russian company.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            what is it NAME?

            Not correctly named, I agree with you.
        2. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 16 September 2020 22: 26
          +5
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Quote: Finches
          What kind of bulk ???

          Of course, the article is ambiguous, but humanitarian aid was stolen, there was reket and outright banditry. Undercover, and not so much, the showdown between the leaders was the same. The common people do not live very well there. The Russian Federation, despite the requests of the people of the LDNR, did not accept them into the Russian Federation, and stopped the offensive near Mariupol. Declared an economic blockade on Ukraine? As the Russian Federation traded with Ukraine, so it is trading. As were the banks of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, so they are. Are there our banks in the LDNR? And what about our mobile operators? In your opinion, this should be the Russian World?

          And where are the crowds on the streets of Donetsk chanting - we want to go to Russia? Where is the unequivocal position - we are not on the way with Ukraine? Here, not by letters on the network, but in fact? And then we are all * bad people * in Russia, according to some. We don't take donbass. Does Donbass need it? And there they want to go to Russia? When not only humanitarian aid, but also taxes, not only protection, but also laws? I think 50-60 percent will say yes we want. But not 100. Not even 98 as in the Crimea. Many want to come to an agreement with Ukraine on their own terms. Many - to live in freemen like Abkhazia. In my opinion, everyone chooses his own path. If there would have been a general desire to go to Russia, any wrong government would have been demolished and confession would have been demanded from us, especially since we do give passports. If everyone wanted to go to Ukraine, they would agree there. But in fact not ours or yours. Well, why do we need this hemorrhoids, which apparently not everyone needs in the Donbass itself? And what to take away? LDNR within its current borders? All territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions? The whole southeast? All Ukraine? They were waiting for us there. In 14 year it was necessary to take it when everyone was on fire and the options were to take the whole southeast and would be greeted with flowers. And now it is the cursing of the elites and waving fists after the fight ... Today the only sane option is to change the leadership of the LDNR from opportunists to the pro-Russian one, provoke the Ukrainian offensive, repulse it, attack and capture them by forces with our support from the southeast, and then there is a request to join ... All the same, we will ogreb the sanctions and the stench, but at least it will be for what. And all this talk about the LPNR in its current form is just idle talk and nothing more ...
          1. malyvalv
            malyvalv 17 September 2020 20: 39
            0
            And where are the crowds on the streets of Donetsk chanting - we want to go to Russia?

            Recently in Donetsk there was a concert of Leps. And there is a video where thousands of Donetsk residents sing the Russian anthem together with Leps. We can't even imagine such a thing in Russia. What else do you want?
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 17 September 2020 21: 09
              0
              Quote: malyvalv
              And where are the crowds on the streets of Donetsk chanting - we want to go to Russia?

              Recently in Donetsk there was a concert of Leps. And there is a video where thousands of Donetsk residents sing the Russian anthem together with Leps. We can't even imagine such a thing in Russia. What else do you want?

              An official public request from the LPRN government for recognition / accession. A referendum announced by the leadership of the LDNR, asking its people whether to ask the Russian Federation to accept the LDNR as a member. Something like that, probably ...
        3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 22: 44
          +5
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          In your opinion, this should be the Russian World?

          Do you think that Russians need to hate Donbass for all of the above? Let me remind you that this is not about the problems of Russian policy towards the LPNR, but about the fact that "the Russians hate the Donbass." And this is an obvious stuffing with obvious goals.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 September 2020 23: 26
            +1
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Do you think that Russians need to hate Donbass for all of the above?

            Rather, feel guilty towards them.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 29
              -1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Rather, feel guilty towards them.

              Then why is your "article ambiguous, however ..."?
              The article is unambiguous, and after your "however" on the topic of the article, you have not written anything.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 16 September 2020 23: 40
                +8
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Then why is your "article ambiguous, however ..."?

                Because I disagree with the author of the article too much. Not only with the name. The name, in my opinion, is stupid. Russians do not hate Donbass.
        4. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 17 September 2020 07: 36
          +2
          however, humanitarian aid was stolen, racketeering and outright banditry were

          There is always a "bad boy" who will sell for "a jar of jam and a packet of cookies." And in Afghanistan there were cases in Chechnya. And the quartermasters stole, and the dates extorted "fighting". Traitors and bastards showed themselves at different levels from bottom to top. The question is the mass character of such phenomena. You don’t have to level everybody for a black sheep. No need to stain the memory of heroes because of the individual.
      3. Stalllker
        Stalllker 17 September 2020 04: 47
        0
        Sinister is gone, here again the manure and climbed
    2. Eldorado
      Eldorado 16 September 2020 18: 20
      13
      The tamers have already penetrated the VO ... recourse
      negative negative negative
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      2. German Titov
        German Titov 16 September 2020 22: 26
        +1
        Sorry, Brother! Put a minus by mistake.
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    3. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 16 September 2020 18: 31
      +8
      What is nonsense! Makhov burns. (Is already blowing bubbles into a basin of water)
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      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 17 September 2020 08: 02
        +2
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        What is nonsense! Makhov is burning.

        Quote: Ali
        The author Makhov, as always, in his repertoire of a hybrid war against the LPR and DPR on the VO website!

        There was a case, they turned to me with a request to assess what was written by this author ...

        What do you think, what assessment can be given to the author who writes this? This article is not the first and not the last.
        Obviously, for Makhov, money does not smell, otherwise how can a resident of the region, who allegedly even fought, write something like that?
        And actually, he was looking for information from us, about this person (solely with the aim of finding out the reality of the character) - our "writing fraternity" could not somehow identify him request
        I will not be surprised that "Makhov" is a pseudonym under which even several different authors write, and quite possibly not even from Donbass.
    4. Civil
      Civil 16 September 2020 19: 41
      +3
      There is probably no hatred, but I really feel sorry for people, they did not want this position either.
    5. Ali
      Ali 16 September 2020 21: 08
      +3
      Author Makhov, as always, in his repertoire of a hybrid war against the LPR and DPR on the VO website!
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 12
        +5
        That's for sure. Maybe the author is kindling? So there is a corpus delicti in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And should it, along with the expensive editions, be laid where it should be?
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 22: 47
        +3
        Well, if the site provides such an opportunity, then there will be those who wish.
    6. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 16 September 2020 21: 57
      +7
      The administration of the site is completely out of control, how can this be published? This is the delirium of a madman based on nothing ..
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 22: 54
        +5
        Quote: Senka Mad
        The administration of the site is completely out of control, how can this be published?

        Did you donate money to them when they hung out a banner about financial aid? And someone, you see, "donated" ... Yeah.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 17 September 2020 08: 44
          +2
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Did you donate money to them when they hung out a banner about financial aid? And someone, you see, "donated" ... Yeah.

          Personally, I did not sacrifice anything, moreover, with the help of an anti-advertiser, I simply hid the intrusive button.

          There is no need to produce begging, let the editorial board learn to earn money with their mind and work.

          Quote: Confucius
          If you want to feed a person once, give him a fish. If you want to feed him for life, teach him to fish.
  2. NF68
    NF68 16 September 2020 18: 11
    10
    Did you hate it?
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 September 2020 18: 12
    27
    Probably, we will have to understand this parable together

    It's time to understand literally that the Russians should not abandon the Russians, no matter what anyone says about it ...
  4. Asad
    Asad 16 September 2020 18: 13
    13
    Minus to the author, pondergal from all the problems on a piece, piled in a heap and happy!
  5. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 September 2020 18: 15
    15
    "Why did the Russians hate Donbass?"
    Well you, mister author, in and on.
  6. codetalker
    codetalker 16 September 2020 18: 23
    25
    Well, for the sake of justice, I must say that my aunt does not swear at Donetsk and its inhabitants, but at a part of the local elite, which in such a difficult period for the region solves its selfish issues at the expense of common interests. Actually, this is enough everywhere. We don't have that? The federal center allocates money to doctors for covid ... well, then you know, without connecting the IC, the money did not reach the doctors.
    1. businessv
      businessv 16 September 2020 21: 32
      0
      Quote: codetalker
      Actually, this is enough everywhere. We don't have this?

      Yes there is, of course, this does not require additional questions, everything is clear, but ours are ours, and all the others are not! This is the most offensive thing - Donbass and its people, including some Russians, protect the Russian world, Russia helps them survive, and those who lead this in the LPNR reap the fruits of all this according to their own understanding. The title of the article, in my opinion, sounds very provocative, but this is the author's business.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 16 September 2020 21: 51
        +2
        Yes, this message and the title of the article surprised me too.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 22: 57
      +3
      Quote: codetalker
      aunty is not on Donetsk and its inhabitants swears

      The article was concocted for the sake of the title. And they filled it with what they could
  7. Camrad
    Camrad 16 September 2020 18: 26
    0
    it is clear that the Crimeans, having stood for two days with sticks at the checkpoints, showed such heroism that to this day they give each other medals

    To declare this, the author needs to make public his personal merits in protecting the Motherland, and not hide behind pseudonyms.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2020 18: 29
    +6
    The problem is more complicated than you want to think about it !!!
    People are different everywhere! An imperfection lasting such a long time will only make it worse !!!
    There is no easy solution to the problem.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 19: 52
      +8
      Victor, is there at least one among the listed shortcomings that is not common? Not only for the Russian Federation and the republics, but for the entire post-Soviet space? The author writes about those who cannot answer ..... reminds of the daughter of an officer or whom negative
      From the article, a feeling of bitterness and insulting for the "exposure" of the author, he "exposes" the republics, but he could expose someone higher with these words.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 September 2020 20: 33
        +2
        Standard. Nothing new.
        One determinant, people cannot live indefinitely in uncertainty! It will stagger and where it will fall is not at all clear.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 September 2020 20: 39
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          ...... people cannot live indefinitely in uncertainty! It will stagger and where it will fall is not at all clear.
          100% agree.
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 September 2020 18: 29
    +9
    The author has long ceased to understand. Chronic denigration of Donbass seems to have become an implicit goal for Yegor. Why he needs it - only the person signed "Egor Makhov" knows.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 19: 56
      +6
      Why is it an implicit goal? Quite, in my opinion, it has become a conscious goal. negative
      1. Proxodnoi
        Proxodnoi 16 September 2020 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Why is it an implicit goal? Quite, in my opinion, it has become a conscious goal. negative

        That's right .. They pay well for it, that's the goal of such hackers
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 00
          0
          Quote: Proxodnoi
          Pay well for it

          I think it's pretty mediocre. Exactly as much as such authors cost.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 16
        +3
        You think we are talking about 30 silver tetradrachms.
  10. Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 16 September 2020 18: 36
    +9
    M-ya, the headline farthed into a puddle
    1. Proxodnoi
      Proxodnoi 16 September 2020 20: 09
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      M-ya, the headline farthed into a puddle

      And the liberal likes to write like that .. The main thing is to throw in, and then prove it))))
  11. Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 September 2020 18: 49
    15
    Who, where, when did they hate Donbass in Russia? I don't know such people among my acquaintances. request
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 20: 00
      +7
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Who, where, when did they hate Donbass in Russia? I don't know such people among my acquaintances. request

      And I don’t know. In addition to the author and the invented aunt, ---- not only did I not see, but I also did not hear anything like that, I did not have time for the author's articles, but there is one provocative title, now a lot is clear ...
  12. Rheinmetall
    Rheinmetall 16 September 2020 18: 53
    16
    I was surprised to learn that I hated Donbass. It seems that the author of the article knows something about us that we do not know about ourselves.
  13. Skif
    Skif 16 September 2020 19: 08
    +8
    Something I did not see the author at our checkpoints either with sticks or without them. It would not hurt to start writing, use not only Ukrainian sources.
  14. Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 16 September 2020 19: 09
    +1
    Strange article. They would write how a simple Russian man in the Dnieper, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Sumy looks out the window and waits for the liberators to come and do everything as in Donetsk and Lugansk. Eh, it will heal then!
    And the end is funny. As I understood the author, it was the liberals and the market people of the LPNR who started it. So-so happened among the villains and infidels.
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 16 September 2020 19: 10
    +7
    The author, it is not necessary for one post, to judge all.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2020 20: 02
      10
      Quote: parusnik
      The author, it is not necessary for one post, to judge all.

      I think these are the fantasies of the author, Alexey hi
  16. north 2
    north 2 16 September 2020 19: 10
    +6
    Do not be, Russia, nobody's prey!
    Don't follow the rules of those propriety
    What a predator dictates to its victims -
    Don't be edible! ... Don't trust the EXPERTS,
    Whose experience is glorious for verbal fornication, -
    Then you won’t be a dish
    Snack, a victim of bestial passion
    Break with enthusiasm you to pieces!

    Do not be sinless! ... Of those who are alive,
    No one is an angel, reproaches are false.
    Don't be fluffy, but be toothy!
    Fascists are pure, like a tube of paste,
    The fascists are clean, like a tooth with a seal,
    Like in heaven, orderlies with a bomb.
    Don't say it gets worse! ...
    Do not wait for mercy in the global puddle.

    Don't be, Russia, a plate country,
    Broken to pieces by a mean deal
    By a land shard, taken separately
    In the disconnected Russian states.
    Don't be detachable! ... Don't trust the EXPERTS,
    Do not follow the rules of decency
    What a predator dictates to its victims ...
    Do not be, Russia, nobody's prey!
  17. demo
    demo 16 September 2020 19: 15
    10
    Especially for the author.
    We must recall the events in world history associated with coups d'etat (Chile, Guatemala, Venezuela, etc.), as well as successful and unsuccessful attempts to separate territories from the metropolis (Ireland, Kosovo, Catalonia).
    The success of the coup and the success of the separation is always ensured by the military.
    People who know how to hold weapons in their hands, obeying orders, professing order are more likely to succeed than yesterday's miners, drivers and grain growers. Even despite their service in the Armed Forces.
    The events in Donbass are pure riot.
    It happened spontaneously and without any plans for the future.
    And in such an unformed state, these territories are to this day.
    Cause?
    Obvious.
    The people went against the authorities in Kiev only in the hope of help from Russia and for that. that in the future Russia will take them into its composition.
    It didn't work out.
    And what do you order me to do?

    Getting rid of illusions is always more useful than living with them.
    But where is the objective reality for which it is necessary to change these fantasies?
    1. Nestor
      Nestor 16 September 2020 19: 58
      -6
      I disagree a little, not spontaneously, but initiated by the special services of the Russian Federation, on the aspirations of citizens, following the example of Crimea, to become a part of the Russian Federation and created as a trigger for Ukraine
      1. demo
        demo 16 September 2020 20: 18
        +1
        Maybe you are right.
        I do not argue.
        I do not have comprehensive information.
        To a greater extent, the perception of the situation based on life experience.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 21
        +2
        Quote: Nestor
        but initiated by the special services of the Russian Federation,


        Are you trying to drag citizen Strelkov into the Russian special services? So I will disappoint you - that track record of comrade "colonel" roaming the networks, to put it mildly exaggerated. And the number on the pension certificate is also extremely strange. I have never seen such numbers in my life.
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      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 37
        +3
        At best, it was a kind of private initiative .... On the part of a number of individuals.
        But this is not the main thing, it was a movement on the ground, on the part of the Russian people living in the south-east of Ukraine. You could say an uprising ..
      4. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 16 September 2020 22: 54
        +2
        Quote: Nestor
        Slightly disagree, not spontaneous

        spontaneously little happens, usually there are reasons and authors.
        Moreover, organizing people is painstaking work.
        Quote: Nestor
        on the aspirations of citizens, following the example of Crimea, to become part of the Russian Federation

        This illusion was created on the territory of Ukraine from Kharkov to Odessa. It's just that someone believed in it, someone did not. I would add that this illusion was destroyed not by the Ukrainians, but by the Russians themselves. At the grassroots level.
        Quote: Nestor
        created as a trigger for Ukraine

        In case of fire, it is easy to hide the ends.
        The smoldering fire does not allow tackling the first problem. Although they tried from the very beginning.
      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 12
        -1
        Oh, Nestor. Here, you see, all ukrobots brought out the "article" to support. Baths - I don't want to.
        And this "I don't want" worries people.
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2020 19: 22
    +7
    There is a comment thread on the networks, where a Russian woman organizing training for residents of the DPR in military schools of the Russian Federation ...
    So there! belay How's that? winked What kind of "Russian"? Deputy Shoigu? lol
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 16 September 2020 20: 00
      +6
      Most likely, another intermediary is paid. True, I wonder who is paying.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 September 2020 20: 01
      +7
      Quote: Radikal
      What is it like? What kind of "Russian"? Deputy Shoigu?

      Crimean woman. The daughter of an officer.
  19. Jaromir
    Jaromir 16 September 2020 19: 57
    12
    Why did Russians hate Donbass?

    Well, you must ... Ento sho is that?
    No that's not true. One comment is not worth drawing such a conclusion.
    Therefore, it is necessary to get rid of both "independent" hallucinations and allusions about "enough to feed Donbass" as soon as possible.

    I have never met those who say something like that. On the contrary, all the acquaintances say only one thing: Donbass must be officially accepted into Russia.
  20. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 16 September 2020 19: 59
    +2
    They say they don't seek from goodness. What are we waiting for? That all the inhabitants of the region, without exception, should bow down to Russia? Was it all for this?
  21. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 16 September 2020 20: 16
    0
    There is no hatred. But I'm still not used to "wild" cars with Donetsk license plates and without insurance. I didn’t read Fomin, perhaps she was boiling over.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 18
      +2
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      to "wild" cars with Donetsk license plates

      As for me, only chew-blocking numbers are wild. Hike a reconnaissance group in the heart of the enemy imagine themselves on their nags. There are no problems with the DNR numbers.
  22. Revolver
    Revolver 16 September 2020 20: 20
    +4
    Yes, it's time to decide. If we assume that Donbass is part of Ukraine, then give it up, but at the same time let in Russia all who cannot or does not want to live under the Bandera. Then it will become clear what the majority of the population wants or does not want.
    And if we assume that it is part of Russia, then take it into the composition according to the Crimean precedent. And accordingly, let Ukraine accept everyone who cannot live without nenki and embroidered shirts.
    Haim, you either take off the cross, or put on your panties.
    Although, as an option, recognize the independence of the LPR and conclude an official agreement on mutual assistance, including military. Because faith is not in panties and not on a chain, but in the soul.
    1. Machito
      Machito 16 September 2020 20: 49
      +1
      Donbass is a long-acting torpedo on board Ukraine. Sooner or later, he will drown Ukraine.
      1. Feliks m
        Feliks m 16 September 2020 21: 15
        +1
        And Ukraine is a torpedo on board Russia. Who will drown who first?
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 16 September 2020 22: 56
          +2
          both are right. 1/3 of the regions (because the main Donbass in the territory controlled by Ukraine) weakens Ukraine.
          Ukraine itself weakens the Russian Federation.
          Everyone plays to the best of their ability.
        2. Machito
          Machito 18 September 2020 01: 51
          0
          Quote: Feliks m
          And Ukraine is a torpedo on board Russia. Who will drown who first?

          Russia will drown Ukraine because it has more resources and more Russians in Ukraine. For 6 years, Ukraine has not come a step closer to joining the European Union. She was stupidly thrown and torn apart. More and more people remember how they lived under Yanukovych.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 19
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      If we assume that Donbass is part of Ukraine

      Donbass - Russia. And no if
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 17 September 2020 00: 16
        -1
        The Russian leadership does not think so.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 00: 25
          +1
          Quote: Kronos
          The Russian leadership does not think so

          You are not up to date.
          But even this is not the main thing. Russia thinks.
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 17 September 2020 05: 01
      0
      Crimea was autonomous within Ukraine, according to international law, had the right to self-determination. And Donbass is part of it (Ukraine), now also in a truncated form. Of course (by me) that a referendum is needed in Russia on the issue of adoption, it was held in Donbas. It also sometimes surprises when I listen to the records of different bloggers, it is announced that now a resident of Donbass will turn to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I think, well, now, he will say, and he: guys, who are you shooting at, guys, is it possible, guys, look what you are do ... Can you imagine what kind of opus you could sprinkle on this ...
  23. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 16 September 2020 20: 39
    +8
    "Why did the Russians hate Donbass?"
    What the hell is this? Why does someone decide for me? This is pure provocation.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 23
      +3
      That's right!
  24. Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 September 2020 21: 28
    10
    My heart and soul are with the inhabitants of the LPR and DPR!
    The article and especially the provocative headline is a huge minus. Something in the wrong articles began to be published, it seems to me.
  25. irontom
    irontom 16 September 2020 21: 40
    +5
    Author's sketch, no fan even required.
    Typical - a "journalistic" title that does not match the content of the article. Not to mention the smell of the article itself.
  26. German Titov
    German Titov 16 September 2020 22: 03
    +7
    Hey, crap "ukropovskaya"! This "podmahov" you have in "sore happens." I do not know who the "Russians" are, I know the "RUSSIAN". I am Russian, I was born and raised on the "Free Donetsk Land". I defended my Motherland from all "utyrks", I will defend and "cleanse".
  27. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 22: 25
    +4
    Russian woman

    So the Russian woman or the Russians? Extrapolation on the verge of fantasy. One in 140 million.
    The author has notably labored with his cheeks, sucking it out from where it is usually sucked out.
    The question to the site is - how so?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 September 2020 22: 43
      +4
      This is not the first time in the last couple of months.
      Last time, the editors cowardly rubbed the comments and removed the article somewhere ..
  28. German Titov
    German Titov 16 September 2020 22: 36
    +2
    Guys! And where is "Egorka", and where is DONETSK. Yegorka is of course a Person Morally Sense. In Odessa they say: "The Guy is Especially Valuable."
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 23: 21
      +2
      Quote: German Titov
      And where is "Egorka"

      Indeed, where is Yegorka?
  29. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 September 2020 23: 33
    +3
    An officer's daughter?
  30. Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 16 September 2020 23: 53
    +2
    Bandera propaganda is already on Military Review
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  32. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 17 September 2020 01: 53
    +3
    internet trash can and collect all the dirt from there, for someone masochism, but for someone just dirty business and nothing personal
  33. Stalllker
    Stalllker 17 September 2020 04: 46
    0
    One woman shouted something horrible, all Russians signed. In general, I have a good attitude to Ukraine and Donbass, and there and there there are "heroes" who should be put up against the wall.
  34. Mimoxod
    Mimoxod 17 September 2020 04: 50
    0
    who gave little thought to politics and fired at fascism, nationalism, and the dictatorship of an order alien and disgusting to them.
    I do not agree with this, this is also a policy, only radical.
  35. Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov 17 September 2020 09: 01
    0
    "Hated" is the wrong word. A specific Russian got the folk customs of the development of humanitarian aid ... Guys, she's yours already, do whatever you want with her. You live ...
  36. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 September 2020 11: 49
    -1
    And I'll give you the words of a guy from Donbass (all Eastern Ukrainians said this) ala 1991 - You Russians will die of hunger without us and they rejoiced at the alleged death of the Russians, waiting for it. There are no Russians in Donbass, there are the same Ukrainians with hochloideology, redneck, shtetl, and they are fighting because they are afraid to return to Ukraine. Ukraine will return and they all as one will go to paint fences in the same blockade, curse Russia and tell how hundreds of thousands of Russians fought, and they were poor people who sat in the occupation and waited for release.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 12: 20
      -1
      The work of site administrators in this topic is very indicative. This obvious incitement to hatred and enmity was left:

      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      You Russians will die of hunger without us and they rejoiced at the alleged death of the Russians, waiting for it.

      And the reasoned impartial remarks about the site itself were rubbed.

      Guys, do you all already live in Israel? Our law is not written to you? Not so long ago, people in uniform came to see you on the light. The hour is not even, they will come and on a more serious issue.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 17 September 2020 17: 53
        0
        Where do you see the kindling here? I wrote what I saw and heard with my own eyes. It was in this style that Russians and Ukrainians argued. Don't you like the truth? It was at the Dnepropetrovsk Command School (DVZRKU), graduated in 1991 and studied with me in the same battery such Yura Bereza (a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, complete scum). So we didn't have a single Westerner, only Easterners, but they all said the same thing.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 22: 42
          0
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Where do you see the kindling here?

          I directly quoted.

          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Don't you like the truth?

          You mean this, for example:
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          There are no Russians in Donbass

          Any source on this topic will tell us that half of the population of the DPR and LPR are ethnic Russians. And then someone on the Internet climbs out with a statement that there are no Russians there. There are all Ukrainians and everyone hates Russians. Then this someone asks if the interlocutor likes the truth. You are not just a troll, you are a very narrow-minded troll. Confused in their own two posts.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 18 September 2020 07: 19
            -2
            All your trouble is that you see a mark in your passport under the term "Russian". Russian is a state of mind. The Ukrainians are the same Russian (originally) goons who, for 700 years of servitude and change of master, thought only of themselves. Any "Ukrainian" dreamed only of getting himself slaves. The Cossacks whom modern "Ukrainians" love so much are the kulaks who had their own slaves, that is, the dream of any Ukrainian. Currently, the Ukrainian thinks only of himself, how he can get rich and the state for him is only an enemy, which is why Ukraine will never become a state, but will remain a colony, changing gentlemen of the highest order and local overseers.
            All of the above applies to residents of Donbass. Under the communists, they lived just fine, during the time of independence, Donetsk people also ruled, good salaries, everything is fine, but after the overthrow of Yanukovych (and they sat and watched as a bunch of homeless people seized power, understanding how it would end for them) and on May 2 they realized that the following are they. And here the question arises: did many residents of Donbass come out to defend themselves? Russians and Chechens arrived, and these "Russians" continued to work and watched others die for them.
            The population of Donbass was about 6 million, that is, according to normal, even removing those who supported Ukraine, it was possible to expose several hundred thousand people and sweep the Armed Forces of Ukraine from their territories. But these goons and parasites were all waiting for Russia.
            As I already said, your brain is not capable of logical thinking and understanding of something beyond the plane, the third dimension is beyond your control.
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 18 September 2020 08: 21
              +1
              The Kremlin didn’t give the sweep (at the time of the negotiations in Minsk there was no longer an organization called “armed forces” near the outskirts, the officers fled, the conscripts almost surrendered in columns, and at that time Petunya announced the explosion of the pipe), which concluded some secret agreements that Kiev buried, as the statement of the GDP about the deception slipped.
  37. saygon66
    saygon66 18 September 2020 00: 15
    0
    - They don't hate Donbass ... They hate what was done with Donbass ...
    - For that. that the Donetsk events showed a complete inability to organize and order what was happening.
    - For the "suspended" situation, when "there is no peace, no war," not with Russia and not with Ukraine, for the "muddy" reshuffle of appointed leaders, for general painful uncertainty.
    - After all, don't believe that all this is a private war between Gazprom and others like it ...
  38. Siberian54
    Siberian54 18 September 2020 08: 13
    +1
    Among my acquaintances there are no people "hating", there are indifferent people, there is a fighter from there (that's why he got married at home), there are those who are interested actively and just along the way. But !! There is a latent dissatisfaction with the actions of the Kremlin (more often due to the lack of exclusive information) with half-hearted and some kind of crooked actions, such as the continuing increase in trade with Kiev and Tribalts.
    1. Feliks m
      Feliks m 18 September 2020 09: 27
      0
      A provocation, not an article. In general, for me personally, it is very important that Donbass remains part of Ukraine. Only then will there be a chance to make the country normal, not frostbitten-Bandera as it currently exists. Well, we can’t cope here on our own while America is dancing us.
  39. ism_ek
    ism_ek 18 September 2020 12: 46
    0
    How many I have not met refugees from Donbass, all as one rare. Perhaps the normal people stayed, but dumped.
  40. certero
    certero 19 September 2020 12: 42
    0
    That LPR and DPR well shows that in politics you need to act decisively. bring the border of these regions to the natural border of the nistru river in 2014 and the problem would be closed.
    And now there is simply no good solution.