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Western observer: Georgia's updated air defense will be able to inflict great damage on Russian military aviation

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The Forbes edition published an article by David Ax, discussing the modernization of Georgia's air defense system.


The author recalls that during the armed conflict in 2008, the Russian military aviation in Georgia suffered serious losses. Then, according to official data, the Russian Air Force lost three Su-25 attack aircraft and a Tu-22M3 bomber, which was carrying a special container with reconnaissance equipment, in a few days. It was also previously reported that two Su-24s were shot down, but officially information about the loss of these particular aircraft was not confirmed.

The American publication says that in 2008 Georgia possessed Soviet air defense systems, which had not been modernized for a long time, but this did not prevent it from inflicting damage on Russia's military aviation. Now, as observer D. Ex writes, the Georgian troops have modern anti-aircraft systems of foreign production - supplies from France and Israel. And the updated Georgian air defense, it is argued, will be able to inflict great damage on the combat aviation of the Russian Federation. Earlier it was reported about the readiness of the Israeli company "Rafael" to modernize the air defense system of Georgia.

The article says that the Russian army has also undergone major modernization since then, but the author adds that "Georgia is still ready for war."

From an article in the American edition:

Georgia is still armed with Soviet air defense systems, including the Buk, but if Russia and Georgia enter the war today, it must be said that the Georgian army is already better equipped. Aviation actions in the air will meet active opposition from the Georgian air defense. The calculations of the Georgian air defense systems are better prepared today than in 2008.
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 06: 46
    57
    I fully admit that Georgians are better prepared today. But I am sure that today our aerospace forces will not make mistakes on 08.08.08, and in this case, the Georgian air defense has a chance to cause serious damage ... let's say, extremely small
    1. Finches
      Finches 15 September 2020 06: 52
      43
      Western observer: "The updated Georgian air defense will be able to inflict great damage on the Russian military aviation!" and at the end added - "I swear by my mom!" laughing
    2. cost
      cost 15 September 2020 06: 54
      20
      The updated air defense of Georgia will be able to inflict great damage on Russia's military aviation


      Taking into account what Andrei said, it can be summarized - Russia's combat aviation will be able to inflict irreparable damage to the updated air defense of Georgia
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 07: 33
        24
        Quote: Rich
        Combat aviation of Russia will be able to inflict irreparable damage to the updated air defense of Georgia

        Everything is very simple here. Ground air defense is a very useful component of a country's air defense, but it should complement the "air" component - fighter aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft, AWACS, electronic warfare, and so on. But by itself, ground-based air defense, no matter how modern and echeloned, will not protect the country from air threats. And the Georgian air defense system is neither particularly modern, nor particularly echeloned. In the event of a proper air war, it can be destroyed practically without losses by our aviation. If there are losses, it will rather become a consequence of our mistakes. So the whole question is how competently our videoconferencing will work, and they, after 08.08.08, and even experience in Syria, may well work competently
        1. Stena
          Stena 15 September 2020 12: 16
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Everything is very simple here. Ground air defense is a very useful component of a country's air defense, but it should complement the "air" component - fighter aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft, AWACS, electronic warfare, and so on. But by itself, ground-based air defense, no matter how modern and echeloned, will not protect the country from air threats. And the Georgian air defense system is neither particularly modern, nor particularly echeloned. In the event of a proper air war, it can be destroyed practically without losses by our aviation. If there are losses, it will rather become a consequence of our mistakes. So the whole question is how competently our videoconferencing will work, and they, after 08.08.08, and even experience in Syria, may well work competently

          If the above is correct, I note that it is not necessary to destroy ground-based air defense from aircraft, but, first of all, to take into account the capabilities of artillery, in relation to this theater of possible military operations.
          PS Some of the aircraft are not air defense of Georgia, but their own fire.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 13: 55
            +4
            Quote: Stena
            If the above is correct, I note that ground air defense does not have to be destroyed from aircraft

            No doubt about it. And OTR, and long-range MLRS, and cannon artillery, and special forces, for that matter. hi
            Quote: Stena
            Some of the aircraft are not air defense of Georgia, but their own fire.

            Here, unfortunately, I did not understand your idea (but I already feel that I will agree with it laughing )
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 15 September 2020 21: 32
            +2
            Quote: Stena
            Air defense does not have to be destroyed from aircraft

            From the side of the Black Sea, the Black Sea Fleet will definitely strike at any military facilities of the Georgians, including air defense facilities. I.e . a blow will be struck by different forces, from different sides at the Georgian air defense. Complex blow.
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 15 September 2020 19: 50
        +1
        Yes, in the war 08.08.08. underestimated the air defense of Georgia and made unforgivable mistakes - remember. What could they supply them? Mistrals, Rolands, Crotali? To upgrade what is available? In the event of hostilities, they will be quickly opened and shot from afar.
        Barack, Spider? It is highly doubtful. So: what kind of Georgian air defense? laughing
    3. Hto tama
      Hto tama 15 September 2020 06: 57
      +7
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I fully admit that Georgians are better prepared today. But I am sure that today our aerospace forces will not make mistakes on 08.08.08, and in this case, the Georgian air defense has a chance to cause serious damage ... let's say, extremely small

      Last time they also shouted that the Georgian army had switched to NATO standards, they were trained this way, this way they were trained wassat Another Western company to send Georgian meat to the war with the Russian Federation, let's hope that the Georgians will not lead, although the hope is weak what
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 September 2020 07: 22
        -15 qualifying.
        The only question is what losses the Russian Army will incur in this case. About this and the article.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 15 September 2020 07: 51
          17
          Dobrogo Zaur. And what losses can there be? In the "Olympic" operation the Georgians had a bad air defense? The article is paid. Before 08.08, the same Jews modernized and reduced the air defense control, the Outskirts put the newest "Kolchuga", which covered the entire territory the use of SU-34 on the station) .Ukrainian beeches after modernization, they fired 3-4 missiles at the planes (there was an interview with the pilots, so they were shocked by the number of launches on them). Do you think that Georgia really has enough money for an echeloned system? Jews for the idea don't work, they don't even blow their nose for free.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 September 2020 07: 58
            10
            You forgot about providing Georgia with intelligence from NATO, BUKs were working on external radar data. But the mess was in our Air Force .... and MO. As for the money, Georgia receives it from the United States under a bilateral agreement. The State apparatus, the Police and the Army are funded by the State Department. Directly.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 15 September 2020 08: 16
              +4
              Yes, there was still a mess in the army, but it stopped (I hope wink After Georgia and Syria, the stupid went into the national economy. At the expense of the Israeli system, the main human factor. Most of all, I was amused by the statement of the Deputy Minister on account of the fact that Jews will share technologies and that Georgians will be able to make some of the equipment at home.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 15 September 2020 11: 02
                +3
                Quote: zadorin1974
                Yes, there was still a mess in the army

                These were the times of Serdyukov, and at that time the headquarters were renovated. In general, the mess was from the very top + reconnaissance underestimated the air defense of Georgia. Well, when they got burned, then they did it right. They used electronic warfare, and under his umbrella they gouged everything they could, including Kolchuga.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 15 September 2020 21: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  These were the times of Serdyukov, and at that time the headquarters were renovated.

                  Serdyukov's times began after Georgia. Reform of the Russian Army.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 16 September 2020 11: 22
                    0
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Serdyukov's times began after Georgia. Reform of the Russian Army.

                    "....From February 15, 2007 to November 6, 2012 - Civil Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. A.E. Serdyukov was appointed Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation by the decree of the President of the Russian Federation V.V.Putin No. 177 of 15.02.2007 ..... "

                    That is, at the start of the war, Serdyukov had been minister of defense for a year and a half.
            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 15 September 2020 08: 28
              +7
              And for some reason the question of the operators of these air defense systems is kept silent. The main reason that the planes were shot down was the Ukrainian Bukov operators.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 30
                10
                The participation of Ukrainians in Chechnya and Georgia, as it has always been hushed up.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 15 September 2020 15: 04
              0
              All serious air defense systems are now being suppressed with the help of OTRK.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 15 September 2020 15: 43
                +2
                Or missiles from a HARM-type aircraft
        2. Hto tama
          Hto tama 15 September 2020 08: 39
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          The only question is what losses the Russian Army will incur in this case. About this and the article.

          Losses in any war are inevitable, if the Russian Federation in the 8th year responded without looking back at its Western partners, I think Georgia would have turned into a plain. Personally, for me, the issue of updating the Georgian air defense system is secondary. , and this is obvious. And not only Georgia, but also Ukraine, the Banderlog are already excited, they believe that NATO and America will fight for them. The fact that they will try to drag Russia into the war is clear as daylight, the only question is when, with by whom and on how many fronts.
      2. Arthur73
        Arthur73 15 September 2020 07: 51
        +7
        Georgia wants to fight again ??? Well, the Russian Aerospace Forces are no longer the same as 12 years ago, and in general the army has become more prepared and equipped. Or is it they are just trying to cheer up Georgians. Like, look, you are awesome now .. . buy something else. You can on credit :)))
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 September 2020 08: 39
        +4
        Quote: Hto tama

        Last time they also shouted that the Georgian army had switched to NATO standards, they were trained this way, this way they were trained

        And in the end
        "Timid Georgians Fled" M. Yu. Lermontov
    4. GREG68
      GREG68 15 September 2020 07: 03
      +5
      This is yes. I hope that in the future, for combat missions, aircraft will always fly with electronic warfare units. And who allowed the aircraft to take off on 08.08.08. without these blocks, he suffered a well-deserved punishment.
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 15 September 2020 07: 23
        +6
        I hope for the earliest possible introduction of attack drones so that the lives of pilots do not risk
        1. GREG68
          GREG68 15 September 2020 07: 27
          +2
          Yes, that's a good option. Many NATO countries have come to this long ago, but unfortunately we are lagging behind once again. But on the other hand, there is time to study their experience and eliminate certain design mistakes and create a good drone. Let's hope and wait.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 15 September 2020 08: 30
          +2
          It depends on what unmanned drummers! If something like Bayraktar, how will he help you on a modern battlefield, where both opponents have fighters and echeloned ground air defense? You need something completely different
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 00
        0
        I think he got a medal for winning ...
    5. 1976AG
      1976AG 15 September 2020 07: 38
      +2
      They are interesting people. As if they were re-equipped, and we have remained at the 2008 level. If anything, we will first destroy their air defense, and only then we will work with aviation.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 15 September 2020 07: 55
        +6
        Quote: 1976AG
        they re-equipped,

        Sure ! All have dark glasses, electronic watches, NATO uniform ... Anyone scared!
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 15 September 2020 07: 40
      +5
      Russia can only be "dropped" by Russia itself.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 01
        +2
        Which he does periodically. It is enough not to make revolutions ..... about the war, even, I am silent.
    7. halpat
      halpat 15 September 2020 08: 02
      +1
      it is worthy to become a meme - "Georgian air defense"
      laughing
      like, at one time, the car "Colchis"
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 19
        0
        Tu22, about five Su25 .... I don't remember helicopters. Completely shot, not having fighters.
        1. GREG68
          GREG68 15 September 2020 08: 29
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Tu22, about five Su25 .... I don't remember helicopters. Completely shot, not having fighters.

          Yes, that's right. But there the reason is not in the backwardness of our technology, but in the banal ordinary Russian slovenliness. The machines were produced in flight without electronic warfare units. If they were installed, there would be no losses at all, or several times less.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 33
            +5
            There are many "W"
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 15 September 2020 09: 32
            +2
            Quote: GREG68
            the reason is not in the backwardness of our technology, but in the banal ordinary Russian ...

            For the losses of the first days, it is necessary to ask the operational management of the 4th army - their area of ​​responsibility: they had to prepare
            1. GREG68
              GREG68 15 September 2020 09: 41
              +1
              Let's hope they asked and made the organizational conclusions. Only now, alas, those who died from this are no easier ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 15 September 2020 09: 56
                +3
                Quote: GREG68
                asked and made conclusions ...

                I read the article, I can't find the link: order in the organization of the air operation was restored, after by the end of the second day centers arrived. It is clear that the dead are not easier and three eights operation will not be included in textbooks as a positive example. It is also clear that only after that Crimea, Syria became possible ..., I hope the lessons have been learned
          3. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 15 September 2020 12: 51
            0
            There, it seems, the stub brushed aside everything like a kaldyr at one time from Yugoslavia, the command themselves made an emergency decision therefore they did not prepare, although when the Fashington pigs are nearby, you need to be always ready to drive them away ...
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 49
          +3
          Tu22, about five Su25

          do not forget that a pair of SU-25s were killed by friendly fire.
          The pilots, knowing that the air defense was working there, turned off the identification systems. The paratroopers, following in the columns, did not turn off their systems. As a result, the flying planes did not respond to the request.
          As a result, the launch of the Eagle and the retaliation of the attack aircraft on their own.
          I don't know if this mess was eradicated or not.
    8. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 15 September 2020 08: 25
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      But I am sure that today our aerospace forces will not make mistakes on 08.08.08, and in this case, the Georgian air defense has a chance to cause serious damage ... let's say, extremely small


      On the whole, I can agree with this assessment.
    9. g1v2
      g1v2 15 September 2020 13: 14
      +1
      Of the 6 lost aircraft and two helicopters. The helicopters collided at the airfield. 3 su25 and one su 24 were shot down by their own troops. The carcass was hit by a Ukrainian beech crew. Tch at the expense of the Georgians themselves, you can write down only one su24 and then whoever shot him down. Well, yes, Georgian air defense is a "terrible force". belay
      As for the general possible re-conflict with gabunistan, our base in South Ossetia is within the range of a missile defense and now also artillery fire. There is about 45 km to Tbilisi. That is, right from our positions, you can hit the center of the capital of Gabunistan with artillery and tornadoes. I think that the air defense of the Gabunis will definitely not play any serious role here. request Again, the sky over Gabunistan is closed by a triangle of air defense of our bases in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Armenia. request
      In general, if the Gabounists want to jump on the rake, then how can we interfere with them? Moreover, it is high time to officially admit South Ossetia to the RF. And then the citizenship of all Ossetians has long been Russian, all South Ossetia are officially part of the RF Armed Forces. They held a referendum on joining the RF long ago. It's time to move the border legally. request
      1. Black_hawk
        Black_hawk 15 September 2020 22: 27
        0
        Really ours shot down their planes? I thought the recognition system was on everyone. And if it was with NATO, how then the air defense began to work, it's scary to think. Here at least there was time to think
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 16 September 2020 00: 45
          +4
          This was the situation in the army then. Many units communicated by mobile. SU25 was shot down from the column guards. No identification systems will help here. The Georgians had their own su25 and we were told that they could be bombed from rooks. The columns were hitting all the su25 they saw. Even the video is about bringing down their rook, when the guys are happy at first, and then they realize that they were shot down. If one plane was shot down by the shilka guarding the bridge, they decided that they wanted to bomb the bridge. In general, there was no good connection between air and ground. Serdyukov's reform did not appear out of nowhere. request
          PM by what progress has occurred in our Aerospace Forces can be understood by comparing operations in Georgia and Syria.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 September 2020 06: 50
    +8
    Western observer: Georgia's updated air defense will be able to inflict great damage on Russian military aviation
    Right now, we will stroke the laces and trample on Georgia)) laughing
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 September 2020 06: 51
    +7
    If the Georgians decide to repeat 08.08.08, Russia will not stop on the outskirts of Tbilisi. And he will not leave Batumi and Poti either. So - risk your health ...
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 15 September 2020 06: 52
    +8
    but if Russia and Georgia go to war

    In the war for what, for Borjomi? laughing
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 15 September 2020 06: 57
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      In the war for what, for Borjomi?

      Yes, and for "Borjomi" is already useless ... belongs to the owners from the Russian Federation
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 15 September 2020 07: 14
      +2
      Borjomi has long been ours - belongs to the Friedman Alpha group. That's why they lobbied for her return to our market
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 15 September 2020 08: 25
        +1
        And they pour it on Novaya Arnautskaya?
  5. askort154
    askort154 15 September 2020 06: 54
    +2
    ...... but if Russia and Georgia go to war today, then ....

    ... then Russian tanks will no longer stop at 40 km. from Tbilisi.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 07: 59
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      Russian tanks will no longer stop at 40 km. from Tbilisi.

      Have their vaccinations ceased to work for 12 years? It's time to send "doctors" again ...
  6. Nikita, f
    Nikita, f 15 September 2020 06: 55
    +2
    I wonder what chances the Georgian air defense crews have to survive if the range of the Russian anti-radar missiles is further than the Georgian air defense, hmm, maybe the skill will help them to rewind the head that was torn off on tape
  7. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 September 2020 06: 57
    +4
    Who needs them? Tangerines, water and wine do not provide much income, he was already whining about the resumption of flights.
  8. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 15 September 2020 07: 00
    +1
    The updated air defense of Georgia will be able to inflict great damage on Russia's military aviation

    This is possible, if only if the Georgian air defense-shniki sit down in an adult way with our pilots. And then, the damage will be temporary. wink
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 September 2020 07: 24
      0
      Behind the Buks sat Ukrainian air defense shniki. What will happen when the Georgians sit down?
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 15 September 2020 07: 43
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Behind the Buks sat Ukrainian air defense shniki. What will happen when the Georgians sit down?

        Well, they will sit a little. And then - how the chip will fall. We can go home and barracks. And we can not be destiny. Even if we assume, well, quite hypothetically, that at the moment Georgian operators of BUKs are better prepared than Ukrainian ones, it raises strong doubts that they will have a chance to show their military skills and please the western man in the street with stars on the PU. Agree, it is naive to believe that the headquarters of our VKS are full of rams, who do not know how to draw conclusions from the sad experience and our aviation will again trample on embrasures, as in 08.08.08.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 September 2020 07: 49
          0
          Agree, it is naive to believe that the headquarters of our VKS are full of rams, who do not know how to draw conclusions from the sad experience and our aviation will again trample on embrasures, as in 08.08.08.

          I would like to believe in this .... the army that passed through Afghanistan also fought in Chechnya.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 15 September 2020 08: 02
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            I would like to believe in this .... the army that passed through Afghanistan also fought in Chechnya.

            Do you remember who was at the helm then and who was the Minister of Defense? (I mean the 1st Chechen. The most bloody and muddy).
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 11
              +1
              There was a lot of muddy things ... and I don't think we will ever find out. Starting from the offshore in Ichkeria, Aviso, the trade in weapons of the Western Group of Forces through the Grozny airfield, the smuggling of clothes through the same airfields ... etc.
              I gave an example of how quickly an army that successfully fought in Afghanistan suffered gigantic losses in Chechnya ...
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 15 September 2020 08: 28
                +5
                Quote: Zaurbek
                I gave an example of how quickly an army that successfully fought in Afghanistan suffered gigantic losses in Chechnya ...

                Do you think that this is due to the loss of professional skills by our servicemen (including Afghan veterans)? Or from the super training of Chechen fighters? negative Our army then the corrupt creatures from the environment of EBNa simply merged in the most disgusting way. Yes, to whom I am telling, you yourself know perfectly well. Remember the saying, "An army of rams led by a lion will defeat an army of lions led by a ram"? And then not that the army, the whole country was ruled not just by a ram, but by a drunkard ram named Judas. hi
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 29
                  -1
                  The Vetrans were washed away, the militants were trained ... and armed.
                  1. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose 15 September 2020 08: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    The Vetrans were washed away, the militants were trained ... and armed.

                    And now Ukrainians and Turks are being frightened by the name of Kadyrov.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 32
                      0
                      Oddly enough, it was a wise decision.
                2. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 46
                  +1
                  our army then the corrupt creatures from the environment of EBNa simply merged in the most disgusting way

                  Yes, there was such a thing. But it also happened that the commanders of all levels simply did not know how to fight, or fought as in 41. The actions of a company-battalion in battle do not depend on the will of politicians.
                  1. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose 15 September 2020 08: 53
                    0
                    Quote: glory1974
                    The actions of a company-battalion in battle do not depend on the will of politicians.

                    Yeah. Especially when, after prolonged offensive battles with serious losses, an order comes to retreat to the previously occupied positions.
                    1. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 15 September 2020 09: 02
                      +1
                      Especially when, after prolonged offensive battles with serious losses, an order comes to retreat to the previously occupied positions.

                      What does the order to retreat to previously held positions have to do with the fact that the commander put the infantry on the armor and drove the tanks into the city? I got in the teeth in the city, I lost people. And which of the politicians recommended doing this?
                      I am not saying anything about the strategy, I know that politicians intervened. But big losses are a consequence of stupid commanders.
                      1. Polite Moose
                        Polite Moose 15 September 2020 09: 14
                        0
                        Quote: glory1974
                        What does the order to withdraw to previously occupied positions have to do with the fact that the commander put the infantry on the armor and drove the tanks into the city?

                        The most direct. When the commander has an order from the very "top" to bring tanks into the city, he has nowhere to go, he must fulfill it. And the losses in this case for this very commander will be unambiguous. Though he is sensible, though stupid.
                      2. Glory1974
                        Glory1974 15 September 2020 10: 03
                        +1
                        When the commander has an order from the very "top" to enter the tanks into the city, he has nowhere to go, he must fulfill it.

                        Do you think the politicians in Moscow directed the actions of the company-battalion in Chechnya?
                        You are very mistaken.
                        When Major Zotov's company went into the gorge and an order came from Moscow to start another truce and stop shooting, her death can be attributed to the betrayal of politicians.
                        But when the battalion is marching in marching order, without cover, without reconnaissance, with untrained fighters, the direct commander is to blame. And that's exactly what I'm writing about. Don't blame everything on corrupt politicians.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 08: 08
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          the army also fought in Chechnya, which passed through Afghanistan

          The difference is that today there is no Pasha-Mercedes who sent tanks to Grozny. They didn’t fight on Salanga and in Khost, because the authorities didn’t betray and sell their soldiers like in Chechnya. What kind of war is there, what kind of army is there, if one slogan flew over the country - "GET RICH !!!!"
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 14
            0
            You can enrich in different ways - derban your country and derban foreign countries.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 08: 30
              +2
              Quote: Zaurbek
              You can enrich in different ways - derban your country and derban foreign countries.

              In the 90s, you remember, derbanili exactly his... The more impudent, unprincipled, thieving and meaner - the more they managed to get rich. After all, EVERYONE who today has a slightest fortune, with a pure heart, will subscribe to the words of J. Rockefeller - the very same founder of the dynasty
              I can explain the origin of any of my millions. Except for the first one.
              Still would! Who wants to remember theft, extortion, bribes, and other outright crime. Well this is today, 25 years later, they are all respectable ... As one of THESE said on TV: "There can be no negativity in my noble house ..." Only 25 years - and from thieves and bandits to "noble".

              And further.
              Quote: Zaurbek
              trade in weapons of the Western Group of Forces through the Grozny airfield,
              I did not see it myself, but witnesses to the withdrawal of the Western Group of Forces said that small arms were sold not in pieces - in bags ... Pasha-Mercedes is not in vain a Mercedes ...
        3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 08: 13
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          . in Chechnya, the army also fought, which passed through Afghanistan.

          I don’t think so. EMNIP there, even the commanders who passed the Afghan were few
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 20
            +1
            And not much time has passed ... 5 years.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 08: 40
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              And not much time has passed ... 5 years.

              The USSR collapsed with the transfer of the most efficient districts and troops to Ukraine and Belarus. I think a lot of people stayed there.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 15 September 2020 08: 42
                0
                I don't remember which formations fought in Afghanistan .... In my opinion, not the ZGV.
              2. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 15 September 2020 11: 43
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                The USSR collapsed with the transfer of the most combat-ready districts and troops

                Right off the bat ...
                15th brigade SpetsNaz, Chirchik (Uzbekistan)
                22 SpetsNaz brigade, Kapchagai (Kazakhstan)
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 44
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            there even were few commanders who had passed afghan

            This is scary. People change, and combat experience should be analyzed and applied in combat training. It should not all depend on the people who have participated somewhere in the battles before.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 September 2020 07: 13
    +1
    "Georgia is still ready for war."

    Shaw learned new songs, still trained well in long-distance running ... won the championship "The fastest hares"?
  • Charik
    Charik 15 September 2020 07: 16
    +1
    so you-avas will be starring motorized rifles
  • Charik
    Charik 15 September 2020 07: 21
    +1
    and even now they will not be "played" with the air defense of the churekia-calibers have grown up-stuck in the very vaziani, tbilisi-lochini
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 15 September 2020 07: 27
    +1
    The renewed army of Russia is able to eat Georgia and not frown.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 15 September 2020 07: 32
    +4
    Quote: RUnnm
    Borjomi has long been ours - belongs to the Friedman Alpha group. That's why they lobbied for her return to our market

    A bit sorry for Borjomi lovers. Did you drink good water? However, also with ordinary Georgian cuisine and wine, in which they promised to defecate.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 September 2020 07: 36
    +3
    To be honest, I don’t know how the Georgian air defense will affect our aviation, but the fact that our aviation is able to influence the very existence of the whole of Georgia is beyond any doubt. Moreover, our aviation does not even need to fly out of Russian territory. Poor, well, what to take from them.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 September 2020 07: 36
    0
    Next time we will reach Tbilisi, so that we can completely discourage us from fighting.
  • varakin_54
    varakin_54 15 September 2020 07: 47
    0
    A Caliber. Why send aircraft, especially as they are like the Elusive Joe. Nobody needs it.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 15 September 2020 07: 54
    +3
    I think that in the event of a real need to strike at the territory where the air defense system built according to Georgia's version will operate, the Russian Aerospace Forces will not even enter their zone of operation by manned aircraft. First, they will open and suppress air defense with drones. And only then, if necessary, they will come in as usual. In addition, the excellent experience of using Barmaley Calibers in Syria shows that everything you need can be obtained from the Caspian Sea in Georgia. And it's very accurate to get it. And guaranteed. So the article is solely for raising the morale of the Georgian Armed Forces, and not at all about the concept of their combat effectiveness. Yes, by 08.08.08 they have prepared tons, no doubt about it. But today the situation is completely different. Incl. and with South Ossetia, and with the Crimea, which is from Georgia ts. not far away.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 15 September 2020 08: 02
      +1
      Quote: Shuttle
      that from the Caspian you can get everything you need in Georgia

      ===
      yes, ships from the Caspian Sea can now get a lot, increase the number a little more
  • Victorio
    Victorio 15 September 2020 08: 00
    0
    from the photo, sunglasses are now an indispensable attribute of the gallant NATO soldier and their adherents.
  • 1536
    1536 15 September 2020 08: 01
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    There is a "good" Israeli experience of how to drive someone else's air defense to a frenzy. You can shoot at Georgian air defense systems both from Tskhinval and from the Black Sea. At night. Just let the American advisers leave their positions at night to rest. It is not even an hour, they will mix up the time and remain.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 15 September 2020 08: 12
    +2
    All this sitia is just a provocation and incitement of Georgia to a new war. The West is setting fire to the perimeter of our country.

    If we need to fight with Georgia, no air defense will save them now.

    We will be the first to send reconnaissance UAVs and use other means of reconnaissance, speed up the ground air defense system and erase it into dust with the help of tactical and cruise missiles, finishing off the remnants with aviation without entering the enemy air defense zone.
  • demo
    demo 15 September 2020 08: 19
    +2
    The main message of the article is Georgians, you can step on the same rake again!
    Forward, valiant knights!
  • KCA
    KCA 15 September 2020 08: 51
    +3
    Will it make sense to use aviation after a more meaningful boom in rocketry than under Khrushchev? They throw over all the fucking strong air defense of Georgia with "Caliber" and the white flag over Tiflis will be equal in area to two or three football fields
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 September 2020 08: 53
    0
    A rusty "iron dome" for Georgia? Oh well.. repeat
  • Esaul
    Esaul 15 September 2020 08: 57
    +2
    A strike with calibers, iskanders and daggers will simply destroy the entire air defense system of Georgia without entering the zone of its destruction.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 15 September 2020 09: 15
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    Western observer: Georgia's updated air defense will be able to inflict great damage on Russian military aviation
    well, let them try, I think after the last time they will never have a desire to check this statement again
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 September 2020 09: 17
    0
    The author of the material is trying to build a logical chain and praise the Georgian army, Israeli and French armaments. At the same time, he forgets to mention that it was the losses in this conflict that led to the biggest reform of the RF Armed Forces and this is also a different army.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 15 September 2020 10: 25
    +2
    Today is not 2008, and even then the very first strikes of the new Su-34s of the Russian Air Force sounded like a death knell for the Georgian military. Today, the first adar will be launched with cruise missiles, rather than conventional aerial bombs. Georgia today is the Pug, which barks at the elephant in search of adventure on its fifth point!
  • Nevolnik
    Nevolnik 15 September 2020 11: 01
    +1
    The updated air defense of Georgia will be able to inflict great damage on Russia's military aviation

    It is quite possible, but Russia is no longer 08.08.08. This time everything will be lightning fast and inevitable!
  • Campanella
    Campanella 15 September 2020 11: 11
    +1
    Ready for war, what does that mean?
    Is it time to fight again?
    That is, the Georgians are ready to set fire to the Caucasus? What did the author mean? Strange article.
  • BABAY22
    BABAY22 15 September 2020 11: 52
    +6
    Pictured is the Georgia National Guard?
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 15 September 2020 12: 45
    0
    Now and with these clowns, no one will be sure, they will drive rodents like mice with a broom.
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 15 September 2020 12: 55
    0
    Of course he can, but who will give him
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 15 September 2020 14: 16
    0
    If we talk about this seriously, then Georgia has no chance, even with the updated French and Israeli air defense systems. Firstly, the reconnaissance will be carried out in advance, the targets will be selected, some will be suppressed by electronic warfare systems, A powerful missile strike will precede the airstrike, which will bring almost all Georgian air defense systems to zero, and then the work of our VKS ... well, that's all. This is not 2008.
  • Hiller
    Hiller 15 September 2020 14: 29
    +1
    As the classics put it: "Practice is the criterion of truth," and the practice of 2008 is a disaster for Georgia.
  • viktor.
    viktor. 15 September 2020 14: 41
    +1
    It would be better to speculate this western observer how to grow tea for Georgians yes
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 September 2020 16: 55
    0
    laughing Let them think so.
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 15 September 2020 17: 20
    0
    Well, why does Georgia need air defense and even modern air defense? There is absolutely nowhere to put the money and there are so many of them? And as if there are no other problems in the country, especially of an economic and social nature? Well, who should Georgia defend itself against with the help of new weapons? From Turkey? Turkey is already pursuing an economic and creeping occupation. From Russia? Well, why does Georgia need Russia? What did it lose there, except for the presence of the Americans and NATO members there, who came to Georgia not for its development and progress? And instead of investing money in the economy, in social programs, in ordinary people, the Georgian government is spending it on unnecessary weapons, from which the overwhelming majority of the population will not live better. Absolutely.
  • Alexander Schumacher
    Alexander Schumacher 15 September 2020 20: 18
    0
    Well, if they fly for a moment, then yes. Or does the author think that all pigs are still flying? there are drones, air defense suppression, a rocket strike to destroy air defense, SU21
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 16 September 2020 07: 54
    0
    Are the mimos going to war with Russia again?
  • Valentin Tveryakov
    Valentin Tveryakov 16 September 2020 09: 44
    +1
    Who needs this Guzia?
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  • Rage66
    Rage66 16 September 2020 14: 53
    0
    And we have been sitting since 2008 and watching how they are equipped ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2020 19: 09
    +1
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Quote: GREG68
    the reason is not in the backwardness of our technology, but in the banal ordinary Russian ...

    For the losses of the first days, it is necessary to ask the operational management of the 4th army - their area of ​​responsibility: they had to prepare

    Are you not interested in what the l / s of the Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces did in the days preceding the aggression, including on August 8, 2008, in what capacity was the Head of the Directorate, and where was the Minister of "Defense"? winked