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A strike on the anti-missile barrier of the Leningrad and Pskov regions or another round of alarmism? What the RIA FAN expert missed

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As you know, the operational transfer of the 1st rocket artillery division of the 41st field artillery brigade of the US Army from the place of permanent deployment in the German Grafenwehr (the operational headquarters of the 7th Joint Multinational Force Training Center, as well as a training camp and tank the US Army training ground in the European conventional theater of operations) to the key training ground of the Estonian army (Estonian Defense Forces) near the town of Tapa for conducting an artillery operational-tactical exercise "Rail Gunner Rush" was met with a very harsh accusatory rhetoric of the Russian Embassy in the United States, which caught the Pentagon as a whole and the command The US Army in Europe, in particular, in the deliberate provocation of operational and tactical tension in the Baltic conventional theater of operations.


In the context of permanent operational-strategic "sparring" between the Russian Armed Forces and the NATO Joint Forces in various strategic directions, as well as incessant incidents with the forced pushing of the RC-135V / W "Rivet Joint" strategic radio-electronic and electronic reconnaissance aircraft from the north-western and south-western the borders of our state by the crews of the Su-30SM and Su-35S multipurpose fighters, a similar reaction of the Russian embassy in the United States to the transfer of a key rocket artillery unit of the US Army in Europe to Estonia can be considered as a completely ordinary episode of the eternal diplomatic dive between Moscow and Washington. Meanwhile, observers and journalists of numerous domestic news and military analytical publications went all out in search of the spectrum of threats that arose for the strategically important naval infrastructure of the Baltic fleet The Russian Navy, anti-aircraft missile divisions and regiments of the 2nd Air Defense Division of the 1st Leningrad Air Defense Command, as well as for units of the Special Forces and missile forces and artillery of Russia deployed in the western regions of the Western Military District.

Is the anti-missile "umbrella" of the Western Military District ready to repel hypothetical attacks by high-precision rocket artillery of the US Army?


In particular, the military observer of the Federal News Agency (riafan.ru / RIA FAN) Alexei Sukonin came to the conclusion that even the episodic (for the purpose of firing) deployment of the 1st ReADn of the 41st PA Brigade of the US Army near the Estonian Tapa provides the Pentagon with the periodic establishment of conditional fire control of such strategically important objects as the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division, the 2nd Separate Special Forces Brigade, and the 15th Army Brigade. aviation and the headquarters of the Western Military District, stationed in the Pskov and Leningrad regions, which is due to the presence in the above unit of the 41st brigade of 227-mm high-precision multiple launch rocket systems M270 MLRS, the transport and launch box trusses of which are constructively adapted to the use of not only regular uncontrolled rockets of the M28A2 type with a range of 45 km, but also operational-tactical ballistic missiles MGM-164B (ATACMS Block IIA) with a range of about 300 km. The expert said this in his analytical review "The United States has deployed missiles capable of reaching St. Petersburg in Estonia."

Indeed, in service with the 1st rocket artillery battalion of the 41st field artillery brigade of the American army, deployed under Tapu, the M270A1 mobile launchers have improved M269 rotating launch charging modules, the transport and launch trusses of which are adapted to the placement:
- two six-sided 227-mm TPK for standard NURS M28A2, promising guided missiles M30A1 / M31A1 GUMLRS "Unitary" with a range of 70-90 km, as well as advanced GLSDB missiles prepared for operational combat readiness (range 150+ km), detachable warheads of which are equipped with GBU-39B SDB-I high-precision unobtrusive gliding guided bombs (UAB);
- two single 610-mm transport and launch containers for the regular MGM-140 / 164B ATACMS Block IA / IIA (range 300 km);
- finally, two paired 330-340-mm TPKs for promising stealthy operational-tactical ballistic missiles "Deep Satrike" (PrSM) with a range of 500+ km.

Moreover, the software of the combat information and control systems of the M270A1 launchers of the "graphener" unit was updated to the "Software Edition v7.11b" version, the software add-ons of which ensure the integration of the above-mentioned guided missiles M30A1 / M31A1 GUMLRS, and also include specialized applications -simulators for virtual training of MLRS MLRS combat crews to carry out fire work in close to combat tactical conditions using virtual templates of the entire range of unguided and guided missiles, as well as ballistic missiles.

Consequently, the presence in MLRS MLRS ammunition of long-range guided missiles of the M30A1 / M31A1 G / GUMLRS family, as well as OTBR of the ATACMS and Deep Strike / PrSM families, really allows the 1st Rocket Artillery Division to “reach” the above strategically important objects of the Baltic Fleet. MFA and Special Forces of Russia, stationed in the Leningrad and Pskov regions, which makes the concern expressed by Mr. Sukonin quite justified. On the other hand, the RIA FAN expert did not take into account the fact that the strategic objects of the Russian Armed Forces listed by him are covered by the most powerful echeloned anti-missile "umbrella" of the Leningrad zone of restriction and denial of access and A2 / AD maneuver.

So, for example, on the Baltic air route, the western regions of the Leningrad region are covered by at least 12-14 anti-aircraft missile divisions S-400 "Triumph", deployed near Zelenogorsk, Gostilitsy, Ulyanovka and Stekolny and are part of five anti-aircraft missile regiments 2- 92st Air Defense Division of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Attached to these anti-aircraft missile divisions, the 6N72E illumination and guidance radars (RPN) have a total target channel of 84-5 simultaneously intercepted targets, which provides a phased parry of a full-fledged salvo of 270 M15 MLRS MLRS batteries (180 combat vehicles) with the use of 31 M1AXNUMX guided missiles even in difficult jamming environment.

Taking into account the probability of hitting the low-maneuverable American URS M30A1 GMLRS with a 48N6DM anti-aircraft missile at 0,8-0,9, it is easy to come to the conclusion that in the event of a hypothetical attempt to deliver a massive missile and artillery strike, about a third of the missiles will be intercepted on the ascending branch of the trajectory (in the airspace of Estonia, or in the airspace of the Russian Federation over the western regions of the Leningrad region), while the remaining two thirds will be safely destroyed on the march and terminal sections of the trajectory. At the same time, batteries of Pantsir-S30 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems and Tor-M1U self-propelled air defense systems covering the "dead zones" of anti-aircraft missiles can be used to intercept guided missiles of the M1A2 line that broke through the anti-missile barrier regiments with S-400 complexes.

As for the timely detection, "tie-in of trails" and the capture of small-sized 227-mm guided missiles M30 / 31A1 for precise auto-tracking, then for the combat crews of the S-400 "Triumph" this range of tasks should not cause significant difficulties, because the new radar illumination and guidance 92N6E (more high-energy and anti-jamming modification of the RPN 30N6E / 2 complexes S-300PM1 / 2) was equipped with a more powerful microwave klystron feeding the "emitting" array of transmitting and receiving modules of the passive HEADLIGHT, as well as a more advanced element base of the receiving path.

The above measures provided 92N6E radars with an almost 2-fold increase in the detection range of targets with an effective scattering surface of 0,05-0,1 sq. m (equivalent to 227-mm M30A1 missiles) from 100-125 to 200-250 km, as well as more effective selection of small airborne objects against the background of intense frequency-targeted noise, imitation and barrage interference. Conclusion: in the event of a hypothetical escalation of the conflict in the Baltic theater of operations, the S-400s on alert in the Leningrad region will be able to begin the process of detecting, escorting, “capturing” and intercepting M30A1 guided missiles in the very first seconds after the latter have entered their trajectory. It is also worth noting that in the course of assessing the spectrum of threats emanating from MLRS MLRS deployed to the Tapa area, the RIA FAN expert missed the fact that after the very first salvo MLRS battery positions would undergo a massive counter-battery response from the Tornado-S MLRS, as well as a strike by the Iskander-M operational-tactical ballistic missile.
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  1. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 16 September 2020 06: 04 New
    -1
    We shouldn't be afraid for Petersburg and the region as a whole ... soldier
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 September 2020 06: 55 New
      +7
      Remembered! For a long time it was possible to tell in general terms without details - I was a liaison officer of the Commander, we played a military toy on maps, we just stuck a smart computer on the command post, where intelligence loads data about the enemy, operators load their troops, setup ... well ... etc., and the car buzzing gives the result - like in football, like 1: 1! So then we fought with an adversary in the Western direction and the smart machine constantly disappointed the Commander, all 1: 3, yes 1: 3 ... We already drove everything that we could from the whole district, 2: 3 - what an infection! Then Commander in the heat of the moment, let's poke nuclear bombs everywhere ... Poke them - 3: 3, and if we strengthen them - 4: 3! Hurray! The enemy will be defeated and victory will be ours! laughing
      1. Blue fox
        Blue fox 16 September 2020 09: 14 New
        10
        Specialists for nuclear bombs were trained by the only VVUZ - the Kamyanets-Podolsk Higher Military Engineering Command School named after Marshal of the Engineering Troops V.K. ... So now this card will be difficult to play. By the way, in addition to the installation of our nuclear forces, the school's specialists were trained to detect and neutralize NATO nuclear forces when preparing routes for the dash of our tanks to the English Channel.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 16 September 2020 11: 07 New
          +1
          By and large, there will be more sense from nuclear warheads for Iskander
      2. snake
        snake 16 September 2020 12: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Finches
        Then Commander in the heat of the moment, let's poke nuclear bombs everywhere ... Poke them - 3: 3, and if we strengthen them - 4: 3! Hurray! The enemy will be defeated and victory will be ours!

        Strategists, turn it into raspberries ..! In the heat of the moment ... We poke the YaF everywhere ... Hooray! Hooray! Talleyrand was right when he said: War is too serious a matter to be trusted by the military.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 September 2020 12: 18 New
          +7
          She needs to be entrusted, for example, to you - right? laughing And then, another reduction of the Red Banner took place, because politicians, such as the clever Talleyrand, considered that Russia did not need so many troops, there were only friends around, they further reduced that one motorized rifle brigade with the task of covering the state border had up to 3 km of this the border itself ... - and on the other side, NATO did not cut anyone, but on the contrary strengthened its grouping ...
          1. snake
            snake 16 September 2020 12: 37 New
            -3
            But how did Suvorov's "hit not with numbers, but with skill" turned into "pushing nuclear bombs everywhere"?
            Quote: Finches
            And then, another reduction took place in the Red Banner

            Was it after the collapse? Well, you didn’t fulfill the oath, you didn’t defend the Soviet Motherland, so you reaped the fruits of your own inertia.
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 September 2020 13: 01 New
              +3
              No, that was much later! And about the oath, it's not for you to judge ... you then completely fulfilled it laughing
              1. snake
                snake 16 September 2020 13: 09 New
                -1
                Quote: Finches
                No, that was much later!

                Don't scare me ... Under ... Putin ..?
            2. nikolai.shupenin
              nikolai.shupenin 16 September 2020 14: 12 New
              +2
              there was no television under Suvorov. in our time, we will watch the war on TV, before the nuclear strike, and then darkness ...
            3. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 16 September 2020 14: 18 New
              10
              Was it after the collapse? Well, you didn’t fulfill the oath, you didn’t defend the Soviet Motherland, so you reaped the fruits of your own inertia.

              People have sworn to defend their homeland from an EXTERNAL enemy. And blaming them for not going to kill their own citizens is despicable. Well, if you didn't know.
              1. snake
                snake 16 September 2020 16: 38 New
                +3
                It is strange to hear about such a humane attitude towards the people from a monarchist ... Something the imperial officers did not suffer from such "weaknesses" ...
                And their citizens did not need to be killed. It is enough to arrest and try the instigators.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 16 September 2020 17: 43 New
                  -3
                  Remember the Decembrists were hanged? It was a shameful spectacle; they had forgotten by that time in Russia how to execute people by death, but nevertheless they hanged someone. And for what, remember? For rebellion against the legitimate government. They hung up a little, of course, it came back to haunt us in the end, but it's a matter of principle.
                  There is nothing worse than a civil war. In which the army participates. "Is it enough to arrest"? Oh well. There are also military units loyal to the authorities. And the blood will flow like a river ... No matter how much I talked to humanists and democrats, that's why it always smells of blood from their humane and democratic ideas. Whole rivers. Well, that's how it is with you.
                  1. snake
                    snake 16 September 2020 19: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    There is nothing worse than a civil war.

                    More terrible than an open civil war is only a war between the invisible government and the people.
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    No matter how much I talked with humanists and democrats, that's why it always smells of blood from their humane and democratic ideas. Whole rivers.

                    Turn to social Darwinists and totalitarians - maybe they have methods that are acceptable to you.
                    1. Mikhail3
                      Mikhail3 17 September 2020 09: 00 New
                      +2
                      Yes there is. These bad people, totalitarians, prefer to kill one-two-ten, instead of torturing, mocking, and killing millions, as democrats and humanists do. Just recently, in the 90s, by methods acceptable to you, the USSR was destroyed, which led to hell on earth for a huge number of people. Everything was democratic, right?
                      When people are not ready to die for their idea and, consequently, kill for it (this is inextricably linked), but the idea is still persistently "moved", then in social practices for some reason it leads to suffering and death of many people. Such sweet kindness ...
                      1. snake
                        snake 17 September 2020 11: 45 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        These bad people, totalitarians, prefer to kill one-two-ten

                        One-two-ten million you wanted to write? Did the Democrats unleash the civil war of 17? And in general - do not ascribe democratic views to me. You wouldn't even stutter about humanity, after your words about the Decembrists:
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        Hung up a little

                        You, modern monarchists, lovers of a whip and a kind gentleman, like those clowns who remained, while the circus left a long time ago.
                      2. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 17 September 2020 11: 55 New
                        +2
                        Yes, Democrats, of course. The democrats, who had reached an agreement with the tsarist generals, overthrew the tsar. Not Bolsheviks. Not a revolution. Democracy! Further, the Democrats organized their own government, with the help of which they tried to rule the country. The attempt completely and completely failed, the country experienced a complete paralysis of power, and its economy, including its army, headed by the very generals who threw off totalitarian power in favor of democratic power, began to simply collapse. There was an ever-accelerating disintegration of the state, a little more, and Russia would simply disappear.
                        Among the institutions destroyed by the Democrats, namely the Democrats, who at that time were at the top of the power pyramid, were practically all the organizations that were obliged to protect the government. At the moment when the Bolsheviks decided to save the country, no one, no structure, interfered with them. Nothing worked for anyone! The serious fault of the Bolsheviks is that they then promoted "Great October", which did not exist, yes. But...
                        And the civil war did not start immediately. It began when the generals and democrats who had ruined the State were taken by the gills! Then the generals and democrats called the invaders from the country, and it started. The hell of the Civil War in Russia entirely, to the last drop, lies with the democrats.
                        And the Democrats know it, hehe ...
                      3. snake
                        snake 17 September 2020 12: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        The hell of the Civil War in Russia entirely, to the last drop, lies with the democrats.

                        And the White Guards-monarchists have nothing to do with it ... Another idealist with a black-and-white perception of the world. Some have Jews to blame for everything, some have liberals, and some have democrats.
                        Calm down already. Go put a candle for your innocently murdered Nikolashka ...
                      4. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 17 September 2020 13: 28 New
                        0
                        The monarchists did not overthrow the tsar. And in the "white movement" they did not rule. There were a lot of them there, because where could they go? Although many monarchists joined Stalin when they understood how something works. It's hard to argue with a person who knows a lot, right? All that remains is to try to offend and provoke) Honey, I'm an engineer. The real one. I'm not interested in labels, and not in the information noise that the vast majority of people take for their beliefs. I'm looking for what works best of all. Pure systems engineering - the best organized system wins in life.
                        Democracy is generally unworkable and completely dysfunctional. Because the United States, in which democracy has never been, is not and never, never will be, so it is promoting it around the world. That's all. You can use the candles as you like, honey ...
                      5. snake
                        snake 17 September 2020 15: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        It's hard to argue with a person who knows a lot, right?

                        As one friend of mine (the deceased) said: I knew too much. (C)
                        Arguing with a stubborn fanatic is generally a useless exercise - you yourself become such.
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        Democracy is generally unworkable and completely dysfunctional.

                        By itself! And the monarchy is the most advanced. Look, in Swaziland, how gorgeous they live to the envy of the rest of the world.
                        Adieu, monsieur engineer ...
                    2. Zementbomber
                      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 53 New
                      0
                      And the White Guards-monarchists seem to have nothing to do with it ...

                      And the "monarchist White Guards" should have surrendered the country without a fight to a handful of marginalized defeatists, among whom prevailed were people with a very unloved people entry in the "confession" column in the passport? Seriously?
                    3. snake
                      snake 18 September 2020 21: 05 New
                      0
                      Well, did Soviet soldiers and officers surrender the Union to a handful of marginalized defeatists?
                2. Zementbomber
                  Zementbomber 18 September 2020 16: 00 New
                  -1
                  when the generals and democrats who had destroyed the State were taken by the gills!

                  Well, here I personally - when trying to "take me by the gill" - will discharge the drum of my R-93 into those who take it. And then - from "Saiga" I will add. The normal reaction of a normal bourgeois who went through the Great 90s. smile
                  It is not clear why the "democrats" - and even more so the "generals" - in 1917-18. should have done otherwise?
              2. 72jora72
                72jora72 17 September 2020 16: 51 New
                +2
                Did the Democrats unleash the civil war of 17?
                Well, in fact, yes, the Civil War began under Kerensky, and not after October ...
              3. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 18 September 2020 09: 04 New
                +1
                Not worth it. Belief in democracy does not accept reasonable arguments, this is not training, but psychocoding. You should not argue with the spoiled one. You see - instead of reasoning and arguments, jokes and anger. It's good that a person cannot show aggression in the network yet, otherwise they would have caught many deadlines. I do not hope to shake the spoiled one, here it is necessary to remove the haze, and not to influence with logic. It's just that in such a "dispute" everyone becomes visible from all sides. And those who read can draw their own conclusions.
              4. snake
                snake 18 September 2020 21: 21 New
                +1
                I wrote to you that I am not a Democrat, but you, in your fanatical frenzy, must have not noticed this.
                Quote: Mikhail3
                It's just that in such a "dispute" everyone becomes visible from all sides.

                There was no "dispute". From scratch you arranged a srach on the topic "democracy is bad", enrolled me in the camp of democrats and started pouring out their "progressive" views on the world order. Well, they boasted that you are a wonderful engineer and, in general, clever. Play yourself, don't understand what. A sort of Ponasenkov at the minimum wages. Or Mikhalkov.
  • sheridans
    sheridans 20 September 2020 09: 22 New
    -2
    White Ticket cut through, your blood. I remembered the Soviet Motherland. Forgot how to go to Turkey with a checkered bag? That's where you sold yourself.
  • Incompetent
    Incompetent 19 September 2020 09: 49 New
    0
    Those. even at that time (as I understand it, the USSR) when the army was as strong as ever and then lost to the NATO army? So what then would you want from today's Russia?
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 16 September 2020 07: 18 New
    -12
    If they start, they will get it themselves ... Well, if not what will remain ... soldier

    Then Peter ceases to exist anyway. However, like Moscow, and many cities in Russia.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 16 September 2020 07: 25 New
      +4
      Even St. Petersburg and Moscow are not all of Russia, but what will remain of the states, is this a question? I am silent about the small-shaven, a pair of Tu-160s will free their bomb bays from missiles and there is no Cook, i.e. British islands.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 16 September 2020 07: 59 New
        -15
        Even St. Petersburg and Moscow are not the whole of Russia

        Actually, everything.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 16 September 2020 09: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Actually, everything.

          Did you go to school with a bad grade in geography?
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 16 September 2020 22: 04 New
            -2
            Did you go to school with a bad grade in geography?

            Clearly, you must not be from St. Petersburg or Moscow. As they say - your village is like a city.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 16 September 2020 12: 44 New
          +1
          Seriously, open the map and look, and at the same time read the history.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 16 September 2020 14: 10 New
            +3
            A map is a map, but the fact is this: the population of the United States is more dispersed over its territory than the population of Russia. Therefore, their and our equal blows will lead to the fact that more of us will die. And if we take into account that there are 300 million of them, and we are 145, then we will be absolutely bad.
            1. Ryaruav
              Ryaruav 16 September 2020 16: 40 New
              +5
              the US population lives along the coast very crowded, so no need to hang up
              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 49 New
                0
                the US population lives along the coast is very crowded

                Nope. Learn US social geography. wink
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 16 September 2020 17: 45 New
              +4
              That's really who it is easy to wet, it's the Yankes. The highest population density is in the coastal areas. Than Poseidon is relevant ...
              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 41 New
                -1
                It is immediately evident that social geography (both the United States and in general) is absolutely not your ... bully
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 18 September 2020 18: 31 New
                  0
                  Try to refute it with facts, not fabrications.
            3. Ros 56
              Ros 56 16 September 2020 18: 52 New
              0
              That you will feel bad, I have no doubt.
      2. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 19 New
        -1
        Pathetic 24 X-55s with special warheads with a maximum of 550 kT TE will "wipe off the damn, damn small Britain"? What an enchanting pron! laughing
        And half of the population remained from the States, even when simulating the exchange of MNUs in the mid-1980s.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 16 September 2020 07: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      many cities in Russia

      Your list is incomplete. You have forgotten about decision-making centers in Europe and North America.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 September 2020 11: 08 New
        +1
        Here it is also necessary to remember that the attack of TNW should be followed by an offensive ....... they just don't shoot them.
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 16 September 2020 12: 28 New
          -1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          an offensive must follow

          Amendment - COUNTER-offensive. We're talking about a defensive scenario. We don't need the Turkish coast ... We don't need someone else's land. Separately, a crazy NATO member will receive all the different types of "Lyuli-Lyuli" due to him to exclude his opportunity to continue his aggression. Who did not give up - I am not to blame. The rest of NATO members can start licking the wounds of their puppy ... well, or eat the wounded animal themselves, which is quite acceptable for cannibals. Next - The Hague and distribute history textbooks to everyone to retrain material from Alexander Nevsky to the top.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2020 07: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Then Peter ceases to exist anyway. However, like Moscow, and many cities in Russia.

      Just like Warsaw, Berlin, half of Estonia and Latvia, as well as many other cities in the West, for the population density in Europe is much greater than in Russia.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 September 2020 07: 58 New
        +2
        (Estonian Defense Forces)


        Who, I am ashamed to ask, are they trying to imitate so clumsily?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 September 2020 08: 48 New
          -1
          I read it, looked at my own commentary, and spontaneously an addition was born.

          Here is the revised and expanded version. A trifle, but essential.

          (Estonian Defense Forces)


          Who is this, I'm ashamed to ask, they are so clumsily trying to imitate (parody belay ?)?
    4. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 16 September 2020 08: 21 New
      -5
      And for an hour you are not a character from your filmmaking: "Dumb and even dumber", if you are drilling this, you did not know or forgot about the change in the Defense Doctrine of the Russian Federation, where KASNY on WHITE wrote about a retaliatory strike against the "decision-making centers" of the US and NATO! So it won't be possible to sit behind the Big Puddle and God forbid a new strait will form between Canada and Mexico! Think about it, my poorly educated but very arrogant and stupid is not a friend at all !!!
    5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      and many cities in Russia

      So our task is to make sure that not only Russia. And even better: not so much Russia.
      This is called nuclear deterrence.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 16 September 2020 06: 13 New
    +6
    In other words, the armor is strong ... But you already get tired of such hypotheses. Yesterday, the hypothesis of how Belarus and Poland will fight, today is the hypothesis of an escalation of the conflict in the Baltic theater of operations.
    1. depressant
      depressant 16 September 2020 09: 02 New
      +4
      Colleague, the military is so customary. I remember that elderly retired veterans of the Great Patriotic War and young officers from a neighboring military unit gathered in our house. They say that the participants of the Second World War were reluctant to share their memories of the war or did not share at all. Everything was different in the house. There were noisy battles, arguments of everyone with everyone: it was necessary this way, not this way, tactical plans were changed, major operations of the bygone war were considered. And then, after drinking sweet homemade wine, some old people cried, remembering their dead comrades ...
      I, a teenager, did not really listen. And then the war touched me with its edge, since then I've been listening. I don’t know what the dear Author wanted to say, but if earlier I perceived standing on the western border as air parades from both sides, now I tensed.
  • bairat
    bairat 16 September 2020 06: 18 New
    12
    The modern situation gives me the following analogy: the villain strangles the victim, beats his knee in the stomach, cleans the pockets of cash, and at the same time looks carefully to see if the victim’s eyes twitch or the hand rises in defense. And the victim is all so tolerant, does not give any cause for concern for the villain.
    It is necessary to raise rates, sharpen them. And we will not last long to endure this quiet strangulation. Shoot down to hell with these scouts that you are flying here, want to fight? Well then, fight. It will not be worse, they will not come to us yet, from the sanctions they have only to turn off the banking system and freeze the accounts, well, figs with them, you can't humiliate yourself all the time, there were times worse, somehow we will get out.
    1. mark1
      mark1 16 September 2020 06: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: bairat
      we will not last long to endure this quiet suffocation.

      I also try to convey this idea - not everyone gets it. It’s painfully good and blissful to sit in the warmth and not see the surrender of positions one after another, the "bridgeheads" are practically taken (surrendered) without a fight, all that remains is to get Aegis in the upper latitudes (NSR) and lose Belarus and we are not. It is necessary to issue an ultimatum with all decisiveness about the withdrawal of NATO troops to the borders of the times of the existence of the ATS and start mass production of new TNW. The persecution (with the use of REP forces) of all sorts of scouts and the demonstration of cartoons about how we will clean up the territories in Eastern Europe and the States are welcome
      1. nikolai.shupenin
        nikolai.shupenin 16 September 2020 14: 17 New
        0
        you are right. it's time for an ultimatum
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 39 New
          -1
          Actually, an ultimatum only works when it is accepted. But the public arrogant and contemptuous rejection of the ultimatum is a great humiliation and defeat for the state. And to your possible ultimatum - NATO, with the probability of Churov's Number, will react in this way.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 18 September 2020 16: 12 New
          +1
          Well, if you shove him inside Satan, then I'm for. Otherwise they will not understand.
      2. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 16 September 2020 15: 22 New
        -4
        In general, the bridgehead fortifications are independent states. You decided to win them or what? Have you ever wondered why they suddenly rushed to NATO? M. b. To seize Belarus? They really forgot to ask the Belarusians themselves, but why waste time on trifles? So you are proposing to start production of a new TNW - but what, its production was stopped? Are there analogues of Iskander in the West? Or m. Are you proposing to withdraw from the nuclear weapons limitation treaty? But then the adversary will also expand his production! And he has more opportunities than we do! You propose to jam radio communications in neighboring countries - in fact, this is a war! And the adversary will respond in kind at best. And he will be right. Do you want to leave half the country and half of the army without communication? Show every day cartoons about the destruction of Europe and America - then they will respect us! They will take care of us! Will the sanctions be lifted right away, will they stop sending scouts to us, will they give up all of Eastern Europe without a fight and disband NATO? Yes, nichrome like that, you just play into the hands of the hawks from the United States, who sleep and see how to overthrow Trump and start a new arms race, a new Cold War and a bunch of smaller hot wars to cash in on them.
        1. bairat
          bairat 16 September 2020 16: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
          And he has more opportunities than we have! ...

          It is a fact. What do you suggest? Continue a peaceful policy and ignore?
        2. mark1
          mark1 16 September 2020 16: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
          then they will respect us! They will take care of us!

          You are not, and not when, because "nothing" is not afraid and not respected
        3. user
          user 16 September 2020 16: 43 New
          0
          Show every day cartoons about the destruction of Europe and America - then they will respect us!


          I just propose to stop showing cartoons, and start talking seriously and without preamble about what will happen if. ... ... ... ...
      3. Moore
        Moore 17 September 2020 03: 59 New
        0
        The author of the article considered the possibility of intercepting missiles from one division. And if there are two of them? Three? And what if a blow not only at the troops, but also at the Leningrad nuclear power plant? Will we burn all of Estonia in response? And who among the organizers of this pile of carcasses of some non-European natives are interested in?
        J.V. Stalin was three times right when he pushed the starting line of possible aggression to the outskirts of Lithuania and the Karelian forests.
        Bad times are coming. The fact that it is not us, but our children, who will have to fight, is becoming clearer.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2020 07: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: bairat
      It won't get worse, they won't come to us yet

      Worse not where, it will not be better. The answer must be applied now.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 September 2020 08: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Worse not where, it will not be better. The answer must be applied now.

        In Estland? But you live there, as far as I understand ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2020 12: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          In Estland? But you live there, as far as I understand ...

          We will survive somehow, for a great cause and be patient.
          1. Andrey Grad
            Andrey Grad 16 September 2020 13: 54 New
            0
            What signs should we use for the roofs of our houses, so as not to get under fire?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 September 2020 14: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrew Grad
              What signs should we use for the roofs of our houses, so as not to get under fire?

              Missiles do not disassemble signs, run into the forest or swamp.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 17 September 2020 08: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Missiles do not disassemble signs, run into the forest or swamp.

                Considering the tactics of the Armed Forces announced in your "resisting the Russian invasion"by the method of partisan actions, forests and swamps will already be occupied by your military.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 16 September 2020 12: 29 New
      +4
      It’s interesting - the Israelis without any hesitation wet everything that they consider a threat on the territory of foreign countries .. And nothing, everything gets away with it. And ours are even afraid to sneeze in response to the most impudent provocations .. Why is that?
    4. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 16 September 2020 15: 02 New
      +2
      Are you or a provocateur? How are you going to get out of a nuclear war? Having turned into a heap of radioactive ash, you hell will get out. Who the hell is choking you, hitting you in the gut, clearing your pockets? What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Our borders are locked, no one dares to violate them, our Strategic Missile Forces are stronger than ever. And that their scouts fly - so they are in their own right, and ours also fly. They do not want to trade with us - are you going to force your gas and oil on them? We also do not want to trade with everyone. They do not like our President - so he is not a red girl, so that everyone would like it. They arm themselves because they are afraid. The Yankees deployed their troops in the Baltic States - well, so the Balts themselves called from. It is not out of place to think, why are they calling more and more amers, and we are being driven more and more. It is not necessary to start a war with a great mind, mind is needed to live in peace.
      1. user
        user 16 September 2020 16: 45 New
        +1
        What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Our borders are locked, no one dares to violate them, our Strategic Missile Forces are stronger than ever.


        What is it you are so excited, probably afraid to lose the grand?
    5. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 35 New
      -1
      Shoot down to hell with these scouts that you are flying here, want to fight?

      Well - "they" will shoot down those trying to shoot down. And they will say to you: why are you flying here - did you want to fight? OK, let's fight! What are your suggestions for further action?
    6. Titus_2
      Titus_2 19 September 2020 01: 09 New
      0
      So my seditious thoughts were flying fly, we are watching. It is clear that over time they will climb further and further .... probing, well, and making advertising with-400 at the same time.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2020 06: 38 New
    +3
    Why DO NOT FLY? Because it is dangerous, because it will definitely fly in response!
    We do our job as it should and come what may!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 September 2020 07: 09 New
    +1
    It seems that in the pontogon pentagon the opinion of experts from the military has strengthened that the Strategic Missile Forces will not shoot at Europe and America, where officials have business, real estate and children. not "overload." Yesterday Patrushev clearly said: Negotiations on the extension of START 3, only with the linkage on the American missile defense system. So Pompeii's bleating about the excellent negotiations on START 3 on the side. There will be no great elections in the United States. twice, the population is strenuously preparing for vborams. It is only necessary to deliver armored cars to the central station in Washington on time. hi good
  • Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 16 September 2020 07: 45 New
    +7
    If a war starts with NATO, it will be worse than World War II, everyone will have huge losses and it is not realistic to predict them
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 16 September 2020 07: 52 New
      +2
      The United States, on the other hand, let it slip, they say, get ready for a war that will be similar to World War II. Like, we will sit out overseas, Europe will burn and in the end we will come like that to help the victors.
      So I strongly doubt the desire of Europe to burn for the sake of overseas democracy. If some particularly rabid American mongrel rushes at the command "face", the rest will pretend that they just passed by, maximum - they will "neutral" resources to support, so God forbid they did not fly.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 16 September 2020 09: 33 New
        0
        If the "rabid American mongrel" arranges a big fight with us, then all the rest will be involved automatically.
        None of them will be able to sit out, because the Americans.
        If it came to firing by American MLRS at the positions of Russian troops in the Leningrad region, then a submachine gun arrives in response to American troops.
        Other units of American troops in Poland, Germany, Britain ... etc. are automatically involved.
        Accordingly, the otvetka flies there, and at the same time to the "decision-making center" that is, the whole world is in dust.
        Who needs it?
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 16 September 2020 10: 26 New
          +1
          Not a minus, but not so simple. Examples:
          As recently as, the Americans themselves admitted that all their modeling of limited strikes ended with the first reciprocal use of nuclear weapons. I will note that they do not plan to develop a local conflict, that is, they allow a local exchange of TNW, but they themselves do not want to bring about a global exchange of nuclear weapons, they will extinguish it (although they are puffed up that Russia does not have the courage to hit Washington). We are considering our defensive and counterstrike option?
          The EU is aware of where the Russian missiles will fly if suddenly they suddenly harness their obligations to NATO for some (for example) Poland, which will send troops (for example) into the very desired areas of Belarus, and Russia will start giving the Poles cracks ... or to Kaliningrad (but this is absolutely fantastic) - here we simply declare at the UN about our right to defend our sovereignty and eliminate the threat HOW and TO WHAT BORDER we ourselves consider necessary.
          This point of "NATO unity" in peacetime works as a market mechanism for the sale of weapons, it makes sense in a global scenario, but in local limited scenes, participation in the company of the insane carries more threats than "losing face" and will only work if (for example) Great Britain understands that the collection of Queen's caps is in danger. Therefore, if some bad firing begins, the same (for example) Germany is the first to be interested in declaring neutrality and blocking the Americans at the bases along with their TNW.
    2. svoit
      svoit 16 September 2020 10: 03 New
      0
      Do they need it? They do not want the territory of Russia, they just need to plant a pro-American government here and completely dispose of resources, and this can be achieved by the proven methods of color revolutions. Well, as a maximum, skirmishes with the "ex".
    3. seacap
      seacap 16 September 2020 11: 17 New
      -1
      But it will be fast, and what should be very offensive for our elite and boyar class, that the money was kept in the wrong banks and villas were bought in the wrong banks, the temperature at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion is up to 6K degrees.
    4. Firelake
      Firelake 19 September 2020 12: 49 New
      0
      Are you seriously? See the production cycle of modern technology. What kind of war is it? ) Economically, it is much easier and cheaper to choke. It is good to play war with the Papuans, and not with an enemy who has at least 30% of your military potential.
  • 1536
    1536 16 September 2020 08: 02 New
    +3
    Let the Americans be afraid for Philadelphia and San Francisco, because in the event of their aggression against Russia from any territory, the answer must be given in their cities.
  • Ervin
    Ervin 16 September 2020 09: 48 New
    0
    So far, NATO has not conducted operational-tactical exercises in Konotop. It will be really scary if, in the face of electronic warfare countermeasures, Private Bill does not correctly enter the coordinates for the M270 MLRS or MGM-164B (ATACMS Block IIA) operational-tactical ballistic missiles with a range of about 300 km - fly almost there and a little further than planned ...
  • seacap
    seacap 16 September 2020 11: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
    We should not be afraid for St. Petersburg and the region as a whole.

    Urya-urya, checkers bald, bare ass on a cactus. No air defense and missile defense system will provide 100% coverage of an object from a massive strike, this is physically impossible. Having some idea of ​​the practical side and the essence of the issue, I do not cherish special bright hopes for a successful solution of this problem in the foreseeable future, in the event of a massive concentrated strike (as it is planned in reality) by all ground forces and space forces using all types of sea and land carriers. , air and space-based, there are no such systems for guaranteed 100% protection, and even taking into account the reaction time due to distance.
  • seacap
    seacap 16 September 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: 1536
    Yes, let the Americans for Philadelphia and San Francisco

    these are not priority goals, there are no strategic targets, Hollywood and sex minorities are not a priority for a massive nuclear strike.
  • rusboris
    rusboris 16 September 2020 14: 06 New
    +2
    Colleagues, we must not forget who we are dealing with. Let me remind you: 1. Trump admitted that he wants to eliminate the President of Syria (keeping the President of Russia in mind). 2. They really need Pearl Harbor in Estonia or Poland. 3. There is a slow strangulation of the Russian economy. This is the initial data of the problem. What are our colleagues going to do? Comp says unequivocally, without a nuclear war, the Russians will end. And worse than Japan in 1945. Will be like the North American Indians. Smallpox-Infected Blankets and Reservations. Russia does not need a nuclear war and will not. The eternal book "The Art of War" suggests. Don't let the enemies rally, create real and imaginary problems for the aggressor. Don't let yourself be dragged into the war until you're ready. What Vladimir Vladimirovich is doing. Let's wish him success and support him from our couch, an intelligent person ..
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 September 2020 01: 49 New
      0
      Quote: rusboris
      2. They really need Pearl Harbor in Estonia or Poland.

      what for? firstly, because of Estonia or Poland, the US will not go further than expressing concern, as well as with Georgia. secondly, the United States is so unprepared for war that it cannot afford it even with the DPRK or Iran. there is even nothing to discuss about the EU ...
  • Postum
    Postum 16 September 2020 17: 38 New
    +1
    Already by the title you can recognize Damantsev
  • iouris
    iouris 16 September 2020 18: 23 New
    0
    These complexes will gouge the barrier, and then everything else. They must be destroyed after passing the traverse of Kaliningrad.
  • TT62o
    TT62o 16 September 2020 18: 49 New
    +1
    The S-400 is unlikely to fire at such targets.
  • certero
    certero 16 September 2020 19: 22 New
    +1
    Waste an S-400 missile to intercept such crap as a 227 mm missile?
    This is just the sparrow cannon.
    It seems to me that in the event of a conflict, the s-400 complex will have a lot of other work, and the American missile battery should be preemptively destroyed by something like an Iskander even before it reaches the position.
  • certero
    certero 16 September 2020 19: 23 New
    0
    Quote: seacap
    there are no such systems for guaranteed 100% protection, and even taking into account the reaction time due to distance.

    so you need not bring it to this, and if God forbid, then strike first
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 September 2020 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: certero
      so you need not bring it to this
      I say: to drown when passing the Kattegat and Skagerrak straits.
  • Incompetent
    Incompetent 16 September 2020 21: 01 New
    +2
    Damantsev repels a volley of artillery from the entire air defense of the Western Military District, well, great. BUT! What about the missiles fired from airplanes? And what about cruise missiles? After all, all this will be applied in a complex!
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 17 September 2020 02: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Incompetent
      BUT! What about the missiles fired from airplanes? And what about cruise missiles? After all, all this will be applied in a complex!

      very simple! you need to use your head for its intended purpose, make a thought process and understand that such a scenario is possible only if nothing flies in response to them, understand that neither the United States nor the entire NATO alliance has the resources to deliver a disarming strike, understand that the author of the article, an expert on spherical horses in a vacuum, is once again delirious and will calm down wink
      take care of your nerves and don't panic hi
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 16 September 2020 21: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    If they start, they will get it themselves ... Well, if not what will remain ... soldier

    Then Peter ceases to exist anyway. However, like Moscow, and many cities in Russia.

    And almost all the largest European and American cities of NATO countries will disappear from the face of the earth.
  • Volder
    Volder 16 September 2020 22: 45 New
    +3
    To shoot down unguided and guided missiles of MLRS with such a system as the S-400 air defense system is stupidity and an impermissible luxury. The S-400 is designed to counter medium and short-range aircraft and missiles. Let's spend S-400 anti-missile missiles on rockets, and how are we going to shoot down planes and missiles? "Shells" and "Torahs"? This way they won't reach the planes ...
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 17 September 2020 10: 25 New
    0
    We should have already worked it out to automatism. They threw, we threw, they fired, and we fired at the borders of England and the United States, preferably. Learn from the DPRK. They respond to any exercises and firing on their borders with a salvo of their missiles. And this concern will continue indefinitely. You have to shoot yourself!
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 September 2020 14: 42 New
    0
    It is very difficult to come up with a more untenable (to put it mildly) idea - to intercept a 227 mm MLRS using the S-400?
    Real defense is when it is clear and intelligible to explain that the state from whose territory they will shoot at Russia then should only blame themselves.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 September 2020 16: 25 New
    0
    Maybe it's time to conduct joint exercises with Cuba in the Gulf of Mexico ... From Havana in the direction of Houston or New Orleans ... well, in the direction of Miami, so close at all ..
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 24 New
      -1
      Remained a mere trifle - to get "good" from Raoul. laughing
    2. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 18 September 2020 15: 29 New
      -1
      Remained a mere "trifle" - to get "good", and not "bige fig" from Raoul. laughing
  • MakStVik
    MakStVik 17 September 2020 20: 23 New
    0
    In the Balts, suicidal schizophrenia is aggravated every year, they are already late for the doctor.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 17 September 2020 23: 32 New
    0
    As soon as I see such a headline, I immediately look at who the author is - and it's immediately clear that Domantsev is a copy-poster dreamer. And I don't even read the text, because there is a jumble of abbreviations and symbols, which the author himself does not even understand. Another fabulous nonsense of a man who imagines himself to be the one who "I saw it all, that's how I remember it now." Little advice - Clancy is even more interesting to read, take an example of fantasy from him.
  • rusboris
    rusboris 18 September 2020 00: 01 New
    0
    A useful article because it draws attention to the holes in the air defense of the Russian ground forces. I have repeatedly pointed out the irresistibility of an enemy MLRS strike. Regarding the dream of turning the Baltics into Pearl Harbor, I explain the following. NATO will not provide soldiers to fight with Russia, but it will send large quantities of equipment and any volunteers. So, not only will they not raise our pensions, but they will quickly put on cards. Here the Russians' stomachs stick to the spine. And personally, I have long lost the habit of this. So, no preemptive strikes. Only soft power in the Baltic States and the Russian member between the buns.
  • Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 Yesterday, 15: 50 New
    0
    To inflict unacceptable damage on Russia without the use of nuclear weapons is an unpromising undertaking, otherwise they would have done it. And they have already calculated this for a long time.