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Germany announced the presence of "Novichok" in repeated samples of Navalny

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Germany announced the presence of "Novichok" in repeated samples of Navalny

Russian blogger and opposition politician Alexei Navalny was poisoned with poison from the Novichok group, this was confirmed by the results of studies of three independent laboratories, the German Cabinet of Ministers said in a statement.


According to the statement, the results of Navalny's samples, the study of which was carried out in three independent laboratories in Sweden and France, showed the presence of a substance from the Novichok group. In this regard, Berlin again calls on Moscow to provide an explanation for the poisoning of Navalny.

On this basis, the OPCW (request - approx.) Took samples of Mr. Navalny and took the necessary steps to be examined in reference laboratories. The federal government (...) requested (...) an independent recheck of German data based on new samples from Mr. Navalny. Now there are the results of these tests in special laboratories in France and Sweden and they prove the German data. (...) We again call on Russia to explain what happened

- declared in the Cabinet of Ministers of Germany.

Earlier, the German government said that it did not intend to transfer the results of samples taken from Navalny directly to Russia, since Russian representatives are part of the OPCW and can get acquainted with the results there.

A spokesman for the German Defense Ministry confirmed that the samples were transferred to the OPCW, of which Russia is a member

- said in the message of the Cabinet.

Recall that the data on Navalny's poisoning by Novichok appeared only after he was delivered to a German clinic; Russian doctors did not find any signs of poisoning.
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  1. Obliterator
    Obliterator 14 September 2020 12: 06 New
    33
    No, well, this "Novice" is some absolutely worthless poison, since he cannot send the second person in a row to the grave.
    1. Temples
      Temples 14 September 2020 12: 09 New
      38
      If they were found in repeated tests, it means that the Fritzes had "trashed" the sisyan.
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 14 September 2020 12: 12 New
        28
        Quote: Temples
        So sisyan were trawled in germany.

        I am more interested in whose "bright" head thought of giving it to Germany. Let it be treated in the Russian Federation, and no one would be able to talk about some kind of "Novichek". And when he is with them, it is easy for them and without any evidence to drive away any nonsense.
        1. Temples
          Temples 14 September 2020 12: 13 New
          13
          Quote: Obliterator
          And when he is with them, it is easy for them and without any evidence to drive away any nonsense.

          Who cares where he is?
          They are driving a blizzard for their inhabitants.
          Do not be fooled by this shnyaga and all business.

          Most of the Fritzes hate Russians.

          And we have nothing to love them for. They killed tens of millions of Russians.

          So that they would go with the shisyan to hell.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 14 September 2020 12: 17 New
            +6
            Quote: Temples
            Who cares where he is?
            They are driving a blizzard for the townsfolk.

            Big difference. If he was in a Russian hospital, then these statements from Western journalists about the newcomer would not cost anything at all, even for ordinary people.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 14 September 2020 12: 34 New
              +9
              So think about who the "Russian masters of life" are, why they are in a hurry to fulfill any whim of the "collective West", often to the detriment of Russia and at the expense of its citizens. Wish you luck!
              1. Temples
                Temples 14 September 2020 13: 23 New
                +5
                Quote: Obliterator
                Big difference. If he was lying

                Remember Skripal?
                They had that torso (skripal).
                They announced that the Russians had allegedly poisoned him.
                As a result, there is no skripal, no evidence. There are sanctions.

                They can also "poison" anyone they want on their territory and hysteria again that the Russians have poisoned.
                The result will be the same.

                It does not matter who and where "poisoned".
                The main thing is who "poisoned".

                On this there is no difference.

                As a result, there is no war. And the rest is husk. Fuck.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 14 September 2020 14: 01 New
                  15
                  There is no faith in Germany, namely the results of Navalny's bioanalysis, made in the laboratory of the German Bundeswehr, and cannot be for several reasons.
                  1. It is known that "Russian" "Novichok" is called only from the homeland of his invention, while it is successfully produced in Great Britain, the USA, Germany, etc. - generally in 5 western countries. In this case, the country of origin of the "Novice" can be determined by the degree of its purification on the national equipment of this country.
                  Here It is this information that Germany - as NATO countries - is hiding under the secrecy label.
                  Therefore, Russia needs to boldly counter directly accuse the same Germany or Great Britain / the United States of poisoning by them Navalny "Novichok" foreign - German, British, American, etc. - production. Whose "Novichok" turns out to be - that country and the poisoner of Novalny.
                  The Russian Federation has all the grounds for this.

                  2. A close companion-girlfriend of Navalny, who was the only one of 6 of his companions who deviated from the testimony of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs about the alleged "poisoning" of Navalny, fled from investigators, secretly flew to Germany with Navalny on a German plane ..
                  It is known that this "girlfriend" of Navalny resides in London and is the link between Navalny, Khodorkovsky and foreign intelligence. It was she who supplied Navalny with materials for his revealing videos about high-ranking officials in Russia. from British and American intelligence agencies. All of her photographs and other informational materials about her have been thoroughly cleaned up on the Internet.
                  Simply put, Navalny's girlfriend surrounded by Navalny himself is a British and American SPY. And our investigators of the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply let her out of Russia. Now no longer a witness, but a suspect in the poisoning of Navalny, if there really was such a thing, as they say, catch Russia like the wind in a field!

                  3. Merkel, with a bad game, tries to abandon the "SP-2" with someone else's hands, while maintaining the "face" and "honor of the uniform"
                  1. astepanov
                    astepanov 14 September 2020 17: 17 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    1. It is known that "Novichok" is called "Russian" only from the homeland of his invention, while it is successfully produced in Great Britain, the USA, Germany, etc. - in general, in 5 Western countries. In this case, the country of origin of the "Novice" can be determined by the degree of its purification on the national equipment of this country.

                    Can you ask a question? Who told you that Novice is made in these countries? And where to get samples to determine the degree of purification? Just don't talk about Navalny's analyzes: no degree of purification can be determined from them if you understand anything in chemical analysis. This is where I disagree with you.
                    Now - about the "Novice" authentically. And there is very little reliable. It is known that "Novice" refers to a group of about 60 OM with an alkyl fluorophosphonitrile nucleus and various substituents associated with it. They are recognized by this core. On March 25, 2018, the head of the laboratory for chemical and analytical control of the scientific center of the Ministry of Defense, Doctor of Chemical Sciences Igor Rybalchenko, said that back in 1998, the chemical formula and mass spectrum of the substance A-234 were discovered by Russian specialists in the Spectral Library of the US National Institute of Standards and Technology. They were brought to the base by Dennis K. Rohrbauch, a chemist at the US Army's Chemical Research and Development Center. The same formula is available in the database of the British Royal Society of Chemistry. However, as early as 2008, this NIST # 226889 compound was removed.
                    In September 2020, information emerged that substances from this group were being developed in the United States in the 1970s, which makes the term "Newbie" even less definite.
                    It is believed that some of the "Newbies" are several times more toxic than Vx gases. For Vx, the lethal dose is 70 μg / kg, i.e. per person about 0,005 g. So, for Navalny, IF he was poisoned, less than 0,005 g of poison was consumed, because he survived. "Newbies" are perfectly absorbed by biological tissues (otherwise they would not work), and their concentration in bioassays is so negligible that no hospital will be able to detect them: only mass spectrometry, the same one that is used in the search for anabolic steroids in athletes, allows to find them, and such devices are useless in the hospital.
                    The fact that Navalny was sent to Germany without further ado, and even after Britain's provocation with the Skripals, indicates that the Russian authorities were not involved in the poisoning. But the synthesis of "Novichok" is not so difficult, and the same Khodorkovsky and other local rascals, as well as rubbish could have been delivered from abroad, could have organized it. They could take advantage of the situation and spoil samples in Germany. In general, the matter is extremely murky and politically motivated. It should be recalled that in Germany they are traditionally strong in the development of poison: I had a book das Militterhcemie in the seventies, there were already described analogs of "Novichok". Such "charms" as sarin, soman, herd and the Zyklon-B, which was used to kill people in concentration camps, were developed in Germany before the war, and V-gases were British development. Who shouts loudest "Stop thief"? That's just it.
                    1. astepanov
                      astepanov 14 September 2020 17: 39 New
                      +4
                      By the way, Khodorkovsky is a chemist by training and, apparently, is not bad. In Russia, before his landing, he organized a very well-equipped center for chemical research, geared towards petrochemistry. So organizing a synthesis for him is a snap, and finding a Judas for its implementation in a country with impoverished scientists is easy.
                    2. Shahno
                      Shahno 14 September 2020 18: 14 New
                      +1
                      // But the synthesis of "Novichok" is not so difficult, and the same Khodorkovsky and other local rascals, as well as rubbish could have been delivered from abroad, could organize it. //
                      That is, you still confirm that to deny the poisoning of Navalny chemical. a drug-analogue of the notorious beginner is impossible. So why is there such a judgment here sometimes, in the commentary centers, that they gave a conclusion (and dear ones) “lie” and engage in fraud. There is evidence that they are biased ... Or what?
                      Ps. By the way, Israeli specialists, on the contrary, supported the Omsk colleagues.
                      1. astepanov
                        astepanov 14 September 2020 18: 25 New
                        +3
                        Yes, I think that Navalny could have been poisoned. And further questions are obvious: was he really poisoned? By whom? Where: in Russia or in Germany?
                  2. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 16 September 2020 09: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    There is no faith in Germany, namely the results of Navalny's bioanalysis, made in the laboratory of the German Bundeswehr, and cannot be for several reasons.
                    1. It is known that "Russian" "Novichok" is called only from the homeland of his invention, while it is successfully produced in Great Britain, the USA, Germany, etc. - generally in 5 western countries. In this case, the country of origin of the "Novice" can be determined by the degree of its purification on the national equipment of this country.
                    Here It is this information that Germany - as NATO countries - is hiding under the secrecy label.
                    Therefore, Russia needs to boldly counter directly accuse the same Germany or Great Britain / the United States of poisoning by them Navalny "Novichok" foreign - German, British, American, etc. - production. Whose "Novichok" turns out to be - that country and the poisoner of Novalny.
                    The Russian Federation has all the grounds for this.

                    2. A close companion-girlfriend of Navalny, who was the only one of 6 of his companions who deviated from the testimony of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs about the alleged "poisoning" of Navalny, fled from investigators, secretly flew to Germany with Navalny on a German plane ..
                    It is known that this "girlfriend" of Navalny resides in London and is the link between Navalny, Khodorkovsky and foreign intelligence. It was she who supplied Navalny with materials for his revealing videos about high-ranking officials in Russia. from British and American intelligence agencies. All of her photographs and other informational materials about her have been thoroughly cleaned up on the Internet.
                    Simply put, Navalny's girlfriend surrounded by Navalny himself is a British and American SPY. And our investigators of the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply let her out of Russia. Now no longer a witness, but a suspect in the poisoning of Navalny, if there really was such a thing, as they say, catch Russia like the wind in a field!

                    3. Merkel, with a bad game, tries to abandon the "SP-2" with someone else's hands, while maintaining the "face" and "honor of the uniform"

                    For me, the only question is, are these exposing materials about Russian officials and leaders true? If true, then what questions to Navalny? By the way, he was in our hospital with what diagnosis? And who poisoned him in the kpz? Questions, questions ...
                2. Obliterator
                  Obliterator 14 September 2020 20: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Temples
                  Remember Skripal?
                  They had that torso (skripal).
                  They announced that the Russians had allegedly poisoned him.
                  As a result, there is no skripal, no evidence. There are sanctions.

                  They can also "poison" anyone they want on their territory and hysteria again that the Russians have poisoned.
                  The result will be the same.

                  It does not matter who and where "poisoned".
                  The main thing is who "poisoned".

                  On this there is no difference.

                  I repeat to you once again that there is a difference, because when they have it in their hands, they can make any statements. And if he turned out to be locked up in one of the hospitals, without access to foreigners and dubious personalities there, then nothing but speculation. Can you catch the difference between the actual assumptions and the documented conclusions of the examinations from scientists?
              2. Kart
                Kart 15 September 2020 09: 35 New
                -1
                Quote: lexus
                So think about who the "Russian masters of life" are, why they are in a hurry to fulfill any whim of the "collective West", often to the detriment of Russia and at the expense of its citizens. Wish you luck!

                It is about this that the so-called. West. In addition to weapons at the borders, they work inside, they offer to "think".
                Do you understand with them?
            2. mavrus
              mavrus 14 September 2020 12: 45 New
              +3
              For our inhabitants, they do not cost anything anyway, and for the brainwashing of the western man in the street, their mass media absolutely does not matter where this Sisyan is.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 September 2020 12: 34 New
            +6
            Quote: Temples
            They are driving a blizzard for their inhabitants.
            Do not be fooled by this shnyaga and all business.

            As if the townsfolk in Germany care about Navalny. The German lives his own life, and he does not care where and who the Lotsiks are, they have a headache from migrants.
          3. archergoo
            archergoo 14 September 2020 13: 01 New
            +9
            do not drive snowstorms, normal Germans respect Russia, the trouble is that they are now a minority, tk. over the years of the occupation of Germany, the media controlled by the globalists have brainwashed many, as, by the way, in other countries, and Russia is no exception. And historically Germany was the main ally of Russia, the trouble is that the hardworking Germans turned out to be too suggestible, the despicable Anglo-Saxons have always used this.
          4. Motorist
            Motorist 14 September 2020 21: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            Most of the Fritzes hate Russians.

            At first I wanted to argue, then I thought that I would spend a useless mnogabukf, and just "minus" you. Do not exact! hi
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 14 September 2020 12: 39 New
          +7
          Quote: Obliterator
          I am more interested in whose "bright" head thought of giving it to Germany. Let it be treated in the Russian Federation, and no one would be able to talk about some kind of "Novichek".

          1. There would be a stench that "hide" the poisoning: if they don't let it out, then they poisoned it.

          2. They would still insist on the tests and would still "find"

          3. The OPCW after recognizing the "use" of chemical weapons in Syria (even without going there) is NOTHING.

          4. Russia in a note to the German Ambassador clearly stated:
          lack of the above materials will regarded as a refusal of the Federal Government of Germany to establish the truth as part of an objective investigation, and his previous and further actions in connection with A. Navalny - as a gross hostile provocation against Russia, fraught with consequences for Russian-German relations, as well as a serious complication of the international situation.


          4. Where in France and Sweden ... Newbie? Or what did they compare the bulk samples with?
          1. vic02
            vic02 14 September 2020 13: 50 New
            +5
            Where in France and Sweden ... Newbie? Or what did they compare the bulk samples with?
            Read the article carefully. Poisons from this group belong to organophosphates and have long been known throughout the world. If you have not yet, read, for example, this one: https://www.popmech.ru/science/482331-kak-spastis-ot-novichka-yady-i-protivoyadiya/ Their production for research purposes is not prohibited. More details about the "newbie", etc. binary OB and how you could get it and its analogs read for example here. https://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/6263068 The toxicity of this type of OM can vary significantly.
            And as for complications in relations, even if they were already complicated specifically for the Russian ruling elite, and not for the country, by cutting off the flows of "dough" from Russia to offshores and squeezing the foreign property of Russian officials.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 September 2020 14: 13 New
              0
              Quote: vic02
              Poisons from this group belong to organophosphates and long known all over the world... If you haven't yet, read, for example, this: https://www.popmech.ru/science/482331-kak-spastis-ot-novichka-yady-i-protivoyadiya/

              What are you saying? belay

              What's new in this article? request

              Quote: vic02
              Their production for research purposes is not prohibited.

              So tell me how in Germany, France and Sweden they set up its production for "research" purposes.
              Quote: vic02
              . Details about the "newbie", etc. binary OB and how you could get it and its analogs read for example here. https://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/6263068

              What nonsense, there are generally two lines
              1. vic02
                vic02 14 September 2020 15: 16 New
                0
                there are two lines
                that is, you haven't read more than two lines? Sad crying
          2. Obliterator
            Obliterator 14 September 2020 20: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            1. There would be a stench that "hide" the poisoning: if they don't let it out, then they poisoned it.

            2. They would still insist on the tests and would still "find"

            1) Don't give a damn about this stink, because they stink so much. It's even worse now, because we gave it to them ourselves.
            2) We do not owe them anything. This is our citizen, and our internal affair.
        3. Roman13579
          Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 47 New
          -5
          You don’t understand ..))
          Now, if he was like Skripal, he was trawling there with them .. then it would be possible to yell - bring him back to us here .. on all TV channels tell that we are not given a person and are not shown him, etc.
          Well, since Lyoshyk was trawling here with us, in order to be able to spit on the West, and bl-e about violations, he had to be sent there first ..

          Now that this Trojan horse has been abandoned in Germany, the Nashin authorities have all their hands untied .. you can blame the West for not returning it to us, and for poisoning it themselves, and in general, whatever ..))
        4. halpat
          halpat 14 September 2020 13: 44 New
          -3
          Quote: Obliterator
          Quote: Temples
          So sisyan were trawled in germany.

          I am more interested in whose "bright" head thought of giving it to Germany. Let it be treated in the Russian Federation, and no one would be able to talk about some kind of "Novichek". And when he is with them, it is easy for them and without any evidence to drive away any nonsense.

          The one to whom it occurred to him has already received money and gratitude from the corresponding department of the Washington regional committee.
          Sits and, quietly rejoicing, waits for the opportunity to dump beyond the limits of 1/6 of the earth's land.
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 14 September 2020 13: 49 New
            -3
            It's funny .. and here Washington is to blame ..))
            Ours gave permission to fly .. and it was clearly not some head doctor of the Omsk hospital .. But the Washington regional committee is again to blame ..))


            Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, who is in a coma at the BSMP-1 hospital in Omsk, was allowed to be transported to Berlin for treatment. This was reported on Friday evening, August 21, by the Omsk online edition "City 55" with reference to the head physician of the hospital, Alexander Murakhovsky.

            "The team (of German doctors who arrived in Omsk on the night of August 21 to take Navalny for treatment in Germany. - Ed.) Considered the patient transportable, possible for transportation. They guaranteed that they would take him to the specified destination," the newspaper quotes Murakhovsky. "The observation of the patient has been stable for some time, and, having a request from relatives to allow transportation somewhere, we made a decision that we do not object to his transfer to another hospital, which will be indicated to us by relatives," added the head physician of the Omsk hospital.

            Earlier, lawyer Pavel Chikov said that the ECHR confirmed the receipt of a complaint by Alexei Navalny's associates for the ban on his transportation for medical treatment abroad, and the press secretary of the Navalny Foundation for the Fight against Corruption (FBK) Kira Yarmysh wrote on her Twitter page that "negotiations about the transportation of Alexei got off the ground. " "It is likely that Navalny will now be transferred," she added.

            German doctors, who flew to Omsk last night to take Russian politician Alexei Navalny to Berlin for treatment, believe that he is in good enough condition to be transported by air. This was announced on August 21 by the German foundation Cinema for Peace, which sent a plane with doctors for Navalny from Germany to Russia.
          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 14 September 2020 19: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Halpat
            from the corresponding department of the Washington regional committee.

            Oh, not Washington.
        5. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 14 September 2020 14: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Obliterator
          I am more interested in whose "bright" head thought of giving it to Germany. Let it be treated like this in the Russian Federation,

          Indeed, it was necessary to transport him to the toxicology department of the Sklifosovsky Research Institute.
          They would have put me on my feet and published the diagnosis.
          1. halpat
            halpat 14 September 2020 15: 35 New
            0
            But someone made a decision and said: Send.
            Loaned?
            Or was this someone convinced that there would be no problem?
            After all, they were trying to transport something clearly in order to find a "newcomer", as it turns out now.
            Or was it ... um ... a collegiate decision?
      2. Sibguest
        Sibguest 14 September 2020 12: 18 New
        +1
        Do not go to Fritsev's grandmother: either they themselves once again rolled this "lesovichka", or after the sauerkraut with sausages, gases hit the head and the samples were beguiled.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 14 September 2020 12: 30 New
        +4
        I spoke about this for a long time. It is necessary to send samples of the environment from Omsk to the same laboratories and include our experts in the commission. Then compare the results. It's elementary ... And besides, the opinions of their experts are not given anywhere. Politicians carry the whole blizzard. And their opinion is not covered either by everyday logic or by criminal legislation. They lied from three boxes, unleashed wars, killed millions of people, but did not even receive a fine ... What faith do they have ?!
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 59 New
          -1
          It is necessary to send samples of the environment from Omsk to the same laboratories and include our experts in the commission


          It was not for this that our Leshiks were sent to the Germans, so that later samples from Omsk with our own experts could be sent there ..))

          It’s possible to go so far as to sit with amers at the same table, and in half an hour find out who shot down the Boeing .. But then everyone will get bored right away ..))
        2. vic02
          vic02 14 September 2020 13: 58 New
          -3
          blizzard are politicians
          This is true on both sides. That is why your proposal is unrealizable. There is no guarantee that the samples from Omsk will be genuine, just like the German ones.
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 September 2020 15: 00 New
            -3
            it is difficult to remove something from the analyzes
            1. vic02
              vic02 14 September 2020 15: 06 New
              +1
              tell it to the doping experts
              1. Avior
                Avior 14 September 2020 15: 11 New
                -1
                nothing was removed from the doping samples, except the samples themselves
                but nowadays DNA cannot be forged.
                add - you can, like a child.
                1. vic02
                  vic02 14 September 2020 15: 13 New
                  +1
                  as you said yourself, "you can add", including genetic material.
      4. figwam
        figwam 14 September 2020 12: 32 New
        +8
        In this regard, Berlin again calls on Moscow to provide explanations about the poisoning of Navalny.

        Let them in England ask the Singers' spy
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 September 2020 15: 25 New
          +2
          and who bothered to ask? she was in Russia.
          1. figwam
            figwam 14 September 2020 15: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            and who bothered to ask? she was in Russia.

            On what basis to ask? Germany insists on the poisoning and let them interrogate her.
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 September 2020 15: 44 New
              +1
              And what to ask her about? And to whom? They demand an investigation from Russia in general.
              1. figwam
                figwam 14 September 2020 15: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Avior
                They demand an investigation from Russia in general.

                Investigation of what? Russian doctors did not find the poisoning, it was not there, and Russia asks for German data on Navalny's poisoning, but they do not give them, but ask us to take our word for it, we have already gone through this with the Skripals.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 14 September 2020 15: 55 New
                  -1
                  they propose to obtain the results in the OPCW, of which Russia is a member, and the results of the German laboratory in Russia will not have formal legal force, obviously.
                  There is also a simple counter question - why the control samples of Navalny from Omsk have not yet been transferred to the OPCW, or at least to another independent laboratory of a serious level, for verification. This is an obvious step.
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 14 September 2020 16: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Avior
                    There is also a simple counter question - why the control samples of Navalny from Omsk have not yet been transferred to the OPCW, or at least to another independent laboratory of a serious level, for verification. This is an obvious step.

                    Russia handed over the whole Navalny to the west in a stable state, what could we hide in this case?
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 14 September 2020 18: 56 New
                      +3
                      there is a statement from several different laboratories about the presence of OM.
                      We can say that this is a worldwide conspiracy, but it does not look very convincing.
                      but you can simply prove that at the time of Navalny's admission to the hospital, there was no OS.
                      To do this, you need to submit Navalny's control samples from a hospital in Omsk to an independent laboratory. This is an obvious step that has not yet been taken for some reason.
                      1. figwam
                        figwam 14 September 2020 19: 35 New
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        there is a statement from several different laboratories about the presence of OM.

                        The West is fighting against us, which Western laboratories can be independent from the West)
                        Quote: Avior
                        To do this, you need to provide control samples of Navalny from the hospital in Omsk

                        And traces of OV will immediately appear in them, and we will be accused of lying. We are unprovenly accused of all sins, that we shot down a Boeing, we poisoned the Skripals, Navalny, only our athletes are doping, the scenario is the same
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 14 September 2020 21: 03 New
                        +1
                        maybe the eastern one?
                        or is it still a worldwide conspiracy against Russia?
                      3. figwam
                        figwam 14 September 2020 21: 17 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior
                        or is it still a worldwide conspiracy against Russia?

                        Do you really think that the Russian authorities first poisoned Navalny in Omsk, then saved his life, and then transferred him for treatment to Germany? And all this is for what?
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 14 September 2020 21: 30 New
                        +1
                        I think that if to prove the absence of poisoning, then an independent examination of the samples is the primary task.
                2. MMX
                  MMX 14 September 2020 19: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  there is a statement from several different laboratories about the presence of OM.
                  We can say that this is a worldwide conspiracy, but it does not look very convincing.
                  but you can simply prove that at the time of Navalny's admission to the hospital, there was no OS.
                  To do this, you need to submit Navalny's control samples from a hospital in Omsk to an independent laboratory. This is an obvious step that has not yet been taken for some reason.


                  The most important question that stands now is why, if they wanted to poison, they were sent to the hospital first, reanimated, and then to Germany?

                  Without an answer to this paramount question, the rest of the messages will be all false.
                3. Avior
                  Avior 14 September 2020 21: 28 New
                  +1
                  the main question to begin with, was the poisoning or not?
                  If it is proved that no, then this requires an independent examination.
                  and everyone else falls away
                4. MMX
                  MMX 15 September 2020 11: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  the main question to begin with, was the poisoning or not?
                  If it is proved that no, then this requires an independent examination.
                  and everyone else falls away


                  Now it became unclear. There, like, foreigners sing in chorus that "poisoning". Doubt?
                5. Avior
                  Avior 15 September 2020 16: 24 New
                  +1
                  Who cares about my opinion in the world?
                  But the official confirmation of an independent laboratory would greatly change the situation. This would be a real step, and serious, and not reasoning from the couch.
                6. MMX
                  MMX 15 September 2020 16: 31 New
                  0
                  Yes, the question is not about your opinion. There is no investigation yet. No results. And they are already talking about sanctions for the Russian Federation.
                  With this approach, they will find anything in our samples. Here in Germany they were arguing with might and main about Nord Stream 2 (to cancel or not).
                  But what is the connection between Navalny and JV 2?
                  What do you see from the sofa on this issue?
                7. Avior
                  Avior 15 September 2020 16: 37 New
                  0
                  Obvious. It is necessary to immediately conduct an independent examination of Navalny's samples from Omsk.
                8. MMX
                  MMX 15 September 2020 16: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  Obvious. It is necessary to immediately conduct an independent examination of Navalny's samples from Omsk.


                  Already researched. Found nothing.
  • MMX
    MMX 14 September 2020 19: 53 New
    +2
    they offer to get results at the OPCW


    Who offers ??

    the results of the German laboratory in Russia will not have formal legal force, obviously.


    To whom is it obvious? To you personally?
    Any factual data can serve as a reason for initiating a case and verification. And we have here the whole results of the examination. They are trying to get them.

    There is also a simple counter question - why the control samples of Navalny from Omsk have not yet been transferred to the OPCW, or at least to another independent laboratory of a serious level, for verification. This is an obvious step.


    And where does the OPCW ???? Intentional poisoning is a crime against life and health. In this case, the RF IC should deal with this.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2020 21: 07 New
      +3
      the use of BOV is a war crime. Prohibited by convention.
      OPCW is an official international organization with the participation of Russia.
      and in order for Russia to receive the results of the examinations, it is necessary to execute them.
      in the same laboratory, for example.
      in Omsk there are samples of Navalny, you need to order their examination in the same place, and that's it.
      1. MMX
        MMX 15 September 2020 11: 47 New
        0
        the use of BOV is a war crime. Prohibited by convention.


        First, not all BOV, but only those on the banned list.
        Secondly, a war is being waged against Navalny, or what?

        OPCW is an official international organization with the participation of Russia.

        Nobody argues with this. What are you for?

        and in order for Russia to receive the results of the examinations, it is necessary to execute them.

        And if they are, then let them provide the results. What's the question?

        in Omsk there are samples of Navalny, you need to order their examination in the same place, and that's it.

        Why should we do this?
      2. Avior
        Avior 15 September 2020 16: 30 New
        +1
        Newbie - in several variants is on the OPCW list.
        Russia is a member of the OPCW and has access to materials, including sample results. You just need to take it.
        The accusation of using CWA, confirmed by the OPCW, undoubtedly damages Russia's reputation and is fraught with economic consequences. Therefore, the question of samples from Omsk is obvious.
      3. MMX
        MMX 15 September 2020 16: 36 New
        0
        Newbie - in several variants is on the OPCW list.


        More precisely, three positions from the "Newbies". And there are 60 of them for a second. Therefore, if you were poisoned by a beginner, but not from the list, then truncate, dry the oars.

        Russia is a member of the OPCW and has access to materials, including sample results. You just need to take it.


        Where to get it? There is nothing in the OPCW. So far, nothing at all. What are you about?????????

        The accusation of using CWA, confirmed by the OPCW, undoubtedly damages Russia's reputation and is fraught with economic consequences. Therefore, the question of samples from Omsk is obvious.

        Well, yes, I remember washing powder in a test tube became the basis for the actual destruction of Iraq. Are you talking about some research? wassat
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 September 2020 12: 33 New
    +3
    I'm already worried about myself - Newbie is everywhere.
    I quit drinking tea.

    choose drinking companions stricter
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 12: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: Temples
    If they were found in repeated tests, it means that the Fritzes had "trashed" the sisyan.


    Quite right. And I'm afraid for Lesha, too obviously the Fritzes want to solemnly shake the samples from the autopsy ...
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 14 September 2020 12: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Temples
    If found in repeated samples, then

    "If you tell a person all the time that he is a 'pig', then he really does end up grunting." (c) M. Gorky repeat - probably this is their calculation!
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 14 September 2020 13: 01 New
    -3
    If they were found in repeated tests, it means that the Fritzes had "trashed" the sisyan.


    And ours let him go there for slaughter .. if we really adhere to such a legend ..
    A multi-port, however ..))
  • halpat
    halpat 14 September 2020 13: 41 New
    +1
    They are sent to the OPCW, and there they say that they did not receive anything laughing
  • atakan
    atakan 14 September 2020 14: 01 New
    +1
    Temples
    If they were found in repeated tests, it means that the Fritzes had "trashed" the sisyan.



    Is not a fact . It is very likely that the Fritzes are playing. since this so-called. "fool.ok" was made in Naglia ..
  • Finches
    Finches 14 September 2020 12: 14 New
    +6
    Does he eat it for breakfast or what? Furious oppositionist! laughing
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 14 September 2020 12: 23 New
      +2
      The Germans put Alekha on the "newbie" ??? But seriously, why do they not want to analyze the samples made in Russia? There is no trust in them, these Europeans!
      1. svoit
        svoit 14 September 2020 12: 48 New
        +2
        Have they already sent the samples? Something I missed this moment, share the link ...
  • Civil
    Civil 14 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +1
    Why are they pulling the cat by the tail, it is clear that the sanctions ...
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 14 September 2020 12: 34 New
    -6
    This is a survivor's fault. It is not known how many people were successfully poisoned. We only learn about failure
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 14 September 2020 12: 41 New
      +3
      Who poisoned? Whom poisoned? So far, one Mr. with a test tube at the UN pops up in my memory. Later it turned out that his speech was a blatant lie. But the "light elves" have killed enough people, and what is left of the state ... When should I answer? Hitlerites were tried, and nonesh democratizers, when ???
    2. Russian Bear_2
      Russian Bear_2 14 September 2020 13: 42 New
      +4
      Why did he give up, poison him again.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 14 September 2020 12: 56 New
    +1
    No, well, this "Novice" is some absolutely worthless poison, since he cannot send the second person in a row to the grave.

    Looks like our Novice have forgotten how to produce: we poison, we poison, but we cannot poison everything. It is necessary to ask the Anglo-Saxons, let them help to develop a suitable one, otherwise it somehow even turns out indecent ... Even the Skripals cat was not poisoned, but the cat, you see, was good. It's a pity that human rights activists, greens and animal activists did not stand up for him. So maybe the Anglo-Saxons would not have sent him to the knackery ...
  • Maz
    Maz 14 September 2020 13: 01 New
    +7

    Well, something like that goes on.
    "Hello. This is a bulk dog .... I have long dreamed of hitting the road with the owner in Germany ...
  • Bar1
    Bar1 14 September 2020 13: 41 New
    +2
    these analyzes do not show our exporters, as well as with doping for the Olympic team, but on these facts they will force Putin to repent and bow.
    And Putin would need to screw the valve for the non-tapping, so it would be fair.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 14 September 2020 14: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Obliterator
    The "newbie" is some absolutely worthless poison, since he cannot send the second person in a row to the grave.
    They cannot pick up the concentration. You need three liters.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 14 September 2020 18: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Simargl
      Quote: Obliterator
      The "newbie" is some absolutely worthless poison, since he cannot send the second person in a row to the grave.
      They cannot pick up the concentration. You need three liters.

      Well, 3 liters and moonshine would be enough! laughing drinks
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Doliva63
        Well, 3 liters and moonshine would be enough!
        Who do you have to be to strangle 3 liters of Sam into one helmet?
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 September 2020 19: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          Quote: Doliva63
          Well, 3 liters and moonshine would be enough!
          Who do you have to be to strangle 3 liters of Sam into one helmet?

          But - for sure, not like some kind of Newbie laughing
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            But - for sure
            This is not a fact: he is a trained person.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 14 September 2020 19: 22 New
              0
              Neither training nor the Newbie will save you from zl., Drunk within 3-4 hours "in one helmet", I think laughing
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                no training, no beginner will save, I think
                And again it all comes down to concentration ...
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 14 September 2020 19: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  no training, no beginner will save, I think
                  And again it all comes down to concentration ...

                  3 liters of 70% moonshine is sufficient concentration, I'm sure.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    70% moonshine
                    Wow !!! It can be very different
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 14 September 2020 19: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      70% moonshine
                      Wow !!! It can be very different

                      Don't drink anything horrible laughing And whoever needs it, they won't give Navalny anything.
                    2. Simargl
                      Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 44 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Don't drink anything horrible
                      Well, the blue and green snakes don't stick to me - I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, from drugs - only seeds ... hi
                    3. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 15 September 2020 18: 01 New
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Don't drink anything horrible
                      Well, the blue and green snakes don't stick to me - I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, from drugs - only seeds ... hi

                      In Borz, I remember, I suffered from your brother, a drug addict: when you go to see a movie, there are ankle-deep husks! laughing But I respect to drink and smoke a pipe, reading the Military obscenity drinks
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 September 2020 12: 06 New
    +3
    Earlier, the German government said that it did not intend to transfer the results of samples taken from Navalny directly to Russia, since Russian representatives are part of the OPCW and can get acquainted with the results there.
    Ie nemchura plays dark, and the game is marked with cards.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 September 2020 12: 09 New
    +5
    And what kind of "Novice" did you find?
    It seems that they wrote that some kind of not the one who is a "newbie", but a new "newbie" who is another "newbie".
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 14 September 2020 12: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It seems that they wrote that some kind of not the one who is a "newbie", but a new "newbie" who is another "newbie".

      But what kind of BOV is this, if a person not only woke up, but also in his right mind? And if not BOV, then what kind of OPCW? Sharpie at work ...
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 33 New
        -6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And if not BOV, then what kind of OPCW?


        At least a couple of Rookie varieties are on the OPCW's 1 list. So she has a lot to do with it.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 14 September 2020 12: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          At least a couple of Rookie varieties are on the OPCW's 1 list. So she has a lot to do with it.

          It's new! As we are told ... And where is he from then on the lists?
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 44 New
            -5
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            It's new! As we are told ...


            They say that it is different from the previous case.
            1. Arthur73
              Arthur73 14 September 2020 12: 50 New
              +3
              They say that in Moscow, chickens are milked, but no one has seen milk, so you never know what they say.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 52 New
                -4
                You didn't understand, but you didn't need to.
                1. Arthur73
                  Arthur73 14 September 2020 13: 14 New
                  +1
                  Yeah, where do I care about the light elves and the faithful two-percent ones :))) They are unique :)))
            2. MMX
              MMX 14 September 2020 20: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              It's new! As we are told ...


              They say that it is different from the previous case.

              If not on the list, then the OPCW - by.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 12: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Sharpie at work ...


        No, these are stupid clowns. Sharkers work more elegantly. And with this you can immediately hit the face with a brick, or insert something somewhere ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 September 2020 12: 13 New
    +8
    the results of Navalny's samples, the study of which was carried out in three independent laboratories in Sweden and France, showed the presence of a substance from the "Novichok" group
    When they only have time. And most importantly, they act insolently, lie openly and cynically. According to the Skripals, the British were at least furnished with a visual picture - a cordon, weirdos in spacesuits (against the background of unprotected inhabitants), the destruction of a shop, house animals, etc. , and these (the Germans) are exclusively unfounded without bothering themselves with paraphernalia. And at the same time they scream about the combat OV of the Novichok group. They act like pop music - people go for it.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 September 2020 12: 14 New
    +9
    Once upon a time, the British decided to take a rather stupid step. To further cover up Russia, they said that it had used BOV to eliminate the traitor. That is, in fact, they said that “the Russians are so wild that they cut their nails with a garden pruner.

    Even then it smelled like insanity. Especially after their own statements that once the terrible Ke-Ge-Be and his minions used ricin, much more adequate to the situation, to kill Markov

    But the Germans, we must give them their due, brought the level of insanity to unattainable heights.
    For the alleged use of BOV took place on Russian territory. And the Germans will not be able to arrange an "OZK show" with the destruction of the crew and passengers of a regular plane instead of an innocent cat.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 28 New
      -6

      Quote: Spade
      much more adequate ricin


      Ricin have learned to detect well.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 September 2020 12: 36 New
        10
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Convicted, served and released traitor.

        Who cares. It's still a traitor.

        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Ricin have learned to detect well.

        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
        Under the table.

        For the first time, Russia allegedly used polonium. Which is not only easy to detect, its origin can be uniquely identified. In theory, up to the time when it was mined, not to mention the place.
        For the second time, Russia allegedly used a nerve bomb. Which is not only easy to detect, its origin with a very high probability points precisely to Russia

        And now I have a big question, who is stupid here?
        Russian special services? British propagandists? Target audience of British propagandists?
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 41 New
          -9
          Quote: Spade
          Who cares. It's still a traitor.


          The difference is that after the trial and the term, there can be no claims from the side of justice against him.

          Quote: Spade
          Under the table.


          Are you badly hurt?

          Quote: Spade
          For the first time, Russia allegedly used polonium.


          First, it doesn't make ricin any harder to detect. Secondly, then no one assumed that polonium could be used for poisoning, and they did not look for it. They found him a day or two before Litvinenko's death, when it was already too late.

          Quote: Spade
          For the second time, Russia allegedly used a nerve bomb. Which is not only easy to spot


          It's hard to find it. Very. You didn't seem to be following the events.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 September 2020 12: 52 New
            +7
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            The difference is that after the trial and the term, there can be no claims from the side of justice against him.

            But he's still a traitor.


            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            First, it doesn't make ricin any harder to detect.

            Doesn't.
            But at the same time, ricin cannot clearly indicate "it is Russia to blame." Apparently, this is why the Russian special services do not use it. laughing laughing laughing laughing

            In addition, ricin does not belong to the category of generally dangerous ones, from which many people around them can suffer, like CWA or radioactive materials. Apparently, this is why the Russian special services do not use it, because thanks to Hollywood, everyone has long known that real villains should not use an effective awl for murder, but an effective chainsaw ... laughing laughing laughing laughing

            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            It's hard to find it.

            Nonsense!
            It is very easy to find it. Moreover, there is a huge backlog in detection methods.
            Once again, this is BOV.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 12: 58 New
              -8
              Quote: Spade
              But at the same time, ricin cannot clearly indicate "it is Russia to blame."


              So what? The murder is being investigated, Petrov and Boshirov are still being calculated.

              Quote: Spade
              It is very easy to find it.


              So easily that in Germany exactly one laboratory was able to do it. Military.

              Quote: Spade
              Once again, this is BOV.


              Word game. A substance from the OPCW list 1, but call it even jam.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 September 2020 13: 37 New
                +7
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                So what? The murder is being investigated, Petrov and Boshirov are still being calculated.

                Yes, at least they enroll ... The British can lie whatever. Up to the point that on each molecule of the "Novichok" brand was found "Made in Russia".

                And a traitor remains a traitor. As the saying goes, "John built houses and forged iron, but as soon as he retired behind a stable with a sheep, they stopped calling him a builder or a blacksmith" ...

                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                So easily that in Germany exactly one laboratory was able to do it. Military.

                laughing laughing laughing laughing
                No, they just decided if Europeans were stupid enough to believe in this insanity. And in the end they decided that it was so.

                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Word game.

                laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                Under the table again.
                This is not a "word game", it is a fact.
                Not having a means of quickly detecting CWA is like not having, for example, a radar to detect enemy aircraft. That is, this is a direct path to loss.

                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                A substance from the OPCW list 1, but call it even jam.

                Exactly!!!
                And try to hang noodles about that BOV "from 1 list of the OPCW"they did not learn to quickly detect this disrespect, first of all, for oneself.
                It means lying, knowing that others will unequivocally identify it as lying.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 02 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Spade
                  And a traitor remains a traitor.


                  Sure. Only to this particular traitor ... see above.

                  Quote: Spade
                  Not having a means of quickly detecting CWA is like not having, for example, a radar to detect enemy aircraft.


                  Nonsense. Because aircraft have not ceased to be used over the past 100 years. And when was the last time BOV was used there - in 1918? Not to mention the fact that Novice became known after the Cold War.

                  Quote: Spade
                  they just decided if the Europeans were dumb enough to believe in this insanity. And in the end they decided that it was so.


                  Here. And that's all you have - "the enemies are trying to deceive us."

                  Quote: Spade
                  And trying to hang noodles about the fact that BOV "from 1 OPCW list" did not learn to quickly detect


                  Whether you learned how to detect quickly or not, you don't know. Be that as it may, the military found him. But if Navalny died on the plane, he would be posthumously diagnosed with a heart attack with a clear conscience. Because the civilians don't have the means to locate the Novice. Perhaps the same would have happened with Skripal, if his daughter had not fallen down with him.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 September 2020 18: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    And when was the last time BOV was used there - in 1918?

                    laughing
                    And again under the table.
                    You have obviously turned away from the army.
                    They never stopped preparing for use by the enemy.
                    Including in Germany


                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Here. And that's all you have - "the enemies are trying to deceive us."

                    Are you sure that I am obliged to believe even the most idiotic statements like the poisoning of one person on the plane with a military agent?
                    At the same time, everyone else should not receive the slightest harm to health.

                    Once again, we would like to poison these characters, they would stupidly buy rat poison in this very Salisbury, and poison them. Death. And without a trace to Russia.


                    Quote: Eye of the Crying

                    Whether you learned how to detect quickly or not, you don't know. Be that as it may, the military found him. But if Navalny died on the plane, he would be posthumously diagnosed with a heart attack with a clear conscience. Because the civilians don't have the means to locate the Novice. Perhaps the same would have happened with Skripal, if his daughter had not fallen down with him.

                    It's just some kind of holiday
                    laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                    That is, you say that in Germany anyone can be poisoned, no one will understand anything if the military does not intervene. And I am far from thinking that they are all being driven through analyzes in the Bundeswehr laboratory.

                    It's enchanting
                    And this is already a diagnosis
                    laughing laughing laughing laughing
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 21: 03 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      And again under the table.


                      Take care of your head.

                      Quote: Spade
                      They never stopped preparing for use by the enemy.
                      Including in Germany


                      This means that BOV has not really been used since 1918. That is why there is a radar station under every bush, and there is one laboratory for analysis of BOV in the whole country.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Are you sure that I am obliged to believe even the most idiotic statements like the poisoning of one person on the plane with a military agent?


                      I'm sure you can believe whatever you want. And trust - too.

                      Quote: Spade
                      And without a trace to Russia.


                      Twice to answer this too lazy. Search this thread.

                      Quote: Spade
                      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing


                      You seem to be hysterical.

                      Quote: Spade
                      That is, you say that in Germany anyone can be poisoned, no one will understand anything if the military does not intervene.


                      Not sure about "anyone", but if you act carefully, the symptoms of death are not particularly suspicious (unlike rat poison), so they don't do much analysis. So yes, a Newbie can poison people quietly and with impunity. Perhaps that is why the Newbie was used. And perhaps that's why May and Merkel took it seriously.
              2. Dima68
                Dima68 14 September 2020 13: 42 New
                +5
                Quote: The Eye of the Crying One. "So what? The murder is being investigated, Petrov and Boshirov are still being calculated." A mistake in a word, they DO NOT CALCULATE, but ASSIGN. No serious evidence of their guilt was provided.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 06 New
                  -8
                  Let them appoint, that's not the question now. The main thing is that they were there at the time of the crime. What kind of poison the crime was committed does not matter.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 14 September 2020 14: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Ricin have learned to detect well.
        So the "Newbie" finds out! Even if it's not there.
  • Abdula
    Abdula 14 September 2020 12: 15 New
    +2
    Why haven't they fired the sweet couple Bashirov and Petrov, the second miss is already, hands are growing from one place
    1. Russian Bear_2
      Russian Bear_2 14 September 2020 13: 47 New
      +2
      And do not say that the skipal has not completely trawled the bulk now, a mess in one word.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 14 September 2020 12: 16 New
    +7
    In Germany announced the presence of "Novichok"

  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 14 September 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    How long will this madhouse continue?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 September 2020 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Pavel73
      How long will this madhouse continue?

      This is just the beginning.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 September 2020 12: 21 New
    +4
    On this basis, the OPCW (request - approx.) Took samples of Mr. Navalny and took the necessary steps to be examined in reference laboratories. The federal government (...) requested (...) an independent recheck of German data based on new samples from Mr. Navalny. Now there are the results of these tests in special laboratories in France and Sweden and they prove the German data. (...) We again call on Russia to explain what happened

    Anyone can take tests from Navalny, but not the Russians
    In both!
    1. svoit
      svoit 14 September 2020 12: 42 New
      +1
      The Russians took the very first, but for some reason they did not send them to the reference laboratories, the opportunity to prove that the Germans were poisoned, but someone is slowing down
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 14 September 2020 12: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: svoit
        The Russians took the very first, but for some reason they did not send them to the reference laboratories, the opportunity to prove that the Germans were poisoned, but someone is slowing down

        What are you talking about ? Where to send what? The verdict has already been passed, we are guilty for any, send, do not send
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 September 2020 19: 09 New
          +3
          send the results taken in Omsk to an independent laboratory.
          this is an obvious step, which for some reason was not taken.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 14 September 2020 19: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            send the results taken in Omsk to an independent laboratory.
            this is an obvious step, which for some reason was not taken.

            You know how many formalities must be followed to send these analyzes, and still at any stage it can be denied that these analyzes are by Lesha himself. And sending analyzes after a verdict has been passed is useless.
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 September 2020 21: 47 New
              +3
              no problem to transfer to the laboratory
              But the fact that the analyzes are foreign, so DNA has long been solving this problem, this is not a problem.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 September 2020 12: 22 New
    +3
    Well, just like that unexpectedly. Repeated analysis and again Novichok. Someone Novice in the west is rotten. If you check no cockroaches, rats will not die from him. A cheap parade, but Russia will get it to the fullest. Sisyan may not need to come, the owners will bother you there in the west. or maybe they will poison you. They need you dead more. wassat drinks
  • 1536
    1536 14 September 2020 12: 22 New
    +2
    The provocation was a success! But if provocations are committed, does it mean that someone needs it?
    Soon, apparently, every alcoholic in the West, having drunk a liter of Russian vodka in the evening, will demand an account from the Russian government why the consumer of this drink has a headache in the morning and make claims. And our "incompetent authorities" will say that it is necessary to conduct an "international investigation" into this fact.
    It is necessary either to remove the information of these Germans from the headlines of news sites, or send someone to the "waters", to improve their health.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 14 September 2020 12: 51 New
      +3
      If my memory serves me, then the vodka that is officially sold in the West in the West is also made. So let them show their producers. Ours have something to do with it.
      1. Andrey Grad
        Andrey Grad 14 September 2020 13: 45 New
        0
        That western Russian vodka is made here in Riga, but from Russian alcohol, so what's more :)))
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 14 September 2020 13: 48 New
          +1
          No no no! It is not necessary to smear the alcohol manufacturer.
          Ktozh knows what your tama has stirred up with him before bottling.
          The manufacturer of the products is responsible for the quality, not the manufacturer of the raw materials.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 14 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +3
    It all started with a test tube at the UN ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2020 12: 27 New
    +3
    BOV poisons at once and on the spot .... could stir a wash with traces of a specific group of BOV, in fact, that is not.
    There is an order, but there is someone to fulfill.
    This is no longer interesting, because no one WILL understand!
    We are waiting with with.
    PS Such a condition "Who benefits" from anyone is already their interesno, they will not understand. Everything is predictable.
    1. cniza
      cniza 14 September 2020 14: 23 New
      +3
      It is clear who benefits, everyone only serves the chief ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2020 14: 44 New
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        Now, discuss, do not discuss ... how Merkel decides, so be it. She can finally slam the door ... just in front of whose nose ???
        1. cniza
          cniza 14 September 2020 16: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          that's just in front of whose nose ???


          It's a good question, but it looks like they are holding her tightly once she took such steps ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2020 20: 09 New
            +1
            Her choice is not special. Bow to the overseas or keep the German industry competitive.
            One and two, nothing else.
            1. cniza
              cniza 14 September 2020 20: 58 New
              +3
              It looks like she was not given a choice at all ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 September 2020 21: 56 New
                +1
                She doesn't care about retirement !!!
                Maybe he can slam the door for the last time.
                And so, the trouble of all coalition formations, there are no capital obligations to each other! Everyone pulls the blanket towards their party. This is exactly what is happening there now!
                They also have elections on the nose, and in the same place, green ones are stepping on their heels! And they know whose creature.
                So sho as Merkel 1 does, so it will be at this point in time, and then .........
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2020 19: 10 New
      +3
      Read how "on the spot" BOV poisoned in the Tokyo subway.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2020 20: 12 New
        0
        Ha, and they care? They, either with a bottle or with their cowards, will shake in front of the nose of the one who is ready to grab this bullshit and voila, goodbye to the competitive German industry .... but the overseas "big brother" will be pleased!
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 14 September 2020 12: 30 New
    +6
    Citizens Germans, stop poisoning our opposition! ... and how do you know all the OB formulas of the "beginner" family? Are the test samples from a British laboratory?
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 14 September 2020 12: 30 New
    -10 qualifying.
    In Russia, they did not even start a case, which indirectly indicates the involvement of those in power. A rather high rank has access to such a poison. But who exactly is not yet clear ...
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 14 September 2020 12: 49 New
      +5
      How incomprehensible?
      Yes, it's a no brainer that Putin is to blame. Th you absolutely!
    2. Dima68
      Dima68 14 September 2020 13: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Prahlad
      In Russia, they did not even start a case, which indirectly indicates the involvement of those in power. A rather high rank has access to such a poison. But who exactly is not yet clear ...

      The culprit has long been known, it is the one who made the moonshine, from which Navalny got caught. That's just, the culprit is covered by the security forces, in the person of the local precinct.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Prahlad
      not even a case was opened, which would indirectly indicate the involvement of those in power.


      Are you a clown too? While he was on our territory in the blood, uh, "BOV" was not found. Accordingly, we have no reasons to start a criminal case to this day. To this day, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not been presented with any documents or any even intelligible evidence. And in Germany they immediately found a chemical warfare agent !!!!!!!!!!! So the conclusion is simple. The Germans poisoned him in the name of triumph, not of democracy, but of the US power over the whole world.
      If he had been hounded on the orders of those in power in Russia, he would not even have made it to the Omsk airport, something had happened .... But this is stupid clownery.
  • askort154
    askort154 14 September 2020 12: 32 New
    +4
    A spokesman for the German Defense Ministry confirmed that the samples were transferred to the OPCW, of which Russia is a member

    I remember that the video of the long "dying" Litvinenko was played for a whole year in all Western
    MASS MEDIA. "Test tube" - the same amount. "White helmets", already under the auspices of the OPCW, 5 years "caught Saddam" in the use of chemical weapons, although before that they themselves signed an act on its complete destruction in Syria. Now the tactics have changed - Skripal is not shown at all.
    Apparently, Navalny will follow the same pattern. tongue
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 September 2020 12: 44 New
    +3
    Newbie found in repeated tests laughing So, they themselves added. How much time has passed. Everything would have happened naturally long ago, if it had been. And so we see: In Russia, they found that the anal had fought unsuccessfully with a hangover, and so he got caught. BUT as soon as this rotten carcass was delivered to a circus clinic in Germany, a newcomer was immediately found, but they continued to treat in the same way as in Omsk. And then they again took samples (already like after the freak was brought out of a coma) - and again a beginner! It is necessary to submit to the Hague Tribunal, to the ECHR and wherever, right up to Sportloto, that the Gadynians are poisoning an innocent Russian urk wassat laughing
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 14: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      So, they themselves added.
      Rather, the body produces.
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 14 September 2020 12: 47 New
    0
    How did they get ... winked
  • zwlad
    zwlad 14 September 2020 12: 47 New
    0
    I guess we need to shoot someone for a low-quality Newbie.
  • iouris
    iouris 14 September 2020 12: 48 New
    0
    If this is a war, then something must happen with the "transit" (and with the "reverse"). The time is right. Otherwise, the gas will flow only after the supplier is gone.
  • Ham
    Ham 14 September 2020 12: 55 New
    +2
    Today I listened to Lavrov - he openly said that we would no longer be fooled by the Eurogees ... if they don't want to - don't, we will find those who want equal cooperation ... he said bluntly and bluntly
    and also said an interesting thing:
    we just want to limit the negative influence of various Western structures and states and numerous so-called non-governmental organizations on the plans that exist in our country that exist among our allies

    roughly speaking, there will be a cleanup of the media space and not only ...
    the liberals still called their 37th year to the campaign ...
    everything is done everything for the better - our leadership apparently realized that there can be no talk of any "equality" in relations with the West
    strains another - the war is already on the threshold and most likely not avoided, because when diplomacy is powerless, guns begin to speak! the configuration is already emerging - the collective west against russia and china and this is the third world alas (((
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 14 September 2020 18: 52 New
      0
      and why the West to fight with the Russian Federation, explain. he has everything from here that he wants.
      1. Ham
        Ham 14 September 2020 19: 25 New
        0
        do you mean trade? or what?
        they need us to pay resignedly and repent - as in the 90s when the Khodorkovskys-Berezovskys drove resources to the west for FREE ...
        and it is even better that we would not be on the globe at all, as old Lyakh Bzezhinsky dreamed ... maybe your memory is letting you down - but this figure in the early 2000s, in all seriousness, argued that Russia would fall apart by 2010 ... or maybe you recall the words of Madeleine Albright who spoke in all seriousness about the need to take Siberia away from Russia because "it is unfair for one country to have so many resources"?
        here the conversation is about geopolitics and world influence, otherwise you understand some kind of "gas station country" climbs around, muddies the waters denying the "hegemony" of one superpower obsessed with sexual perversion ...
        all world wars began because of the redistribution of spheres of influence in the same way as now ...
        we are not satisfied with the world order in which there is no place for Russia - and they no longer have any measures of influence to stop us except for war
        in addition, it is a question of ideology and the conservative ideology that Russia now professes is a terrible challenge to total tolerance and gender perversions imposed by the collective West ... this is worse for them than communism - if people suddenly remember that they are HUMANS and not asexual beings
  • iouris
    iouris 14 September 2020 13: 00 New
    +4
    As he heals, the concentration of the "Novice" in the samples will steadily increase.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 14 September 2020 13: 01 New
    +1
    Germany announced the presence of "Novichok" in repeated samples of Navalny
    Lech, run from the Fritzes. Everyone has already forgiven you! The Fritzes deliberately prick you as a beginner so that you become, you know ... Run ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 14 September 2020 14: 22 New
      +1
      It's too late, now everything will be squeezed out of him ...
  • Operator
    Operator 14 September 2020 13: 04 New
    -2
    The Russian Foreign Ministry is solely to blame: the consul of the Russian Federation has not yet been allowed to the Analny in accordance with international law, the Germans have not provided any documentary information, the request of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation about the results of the tests and the text of the medical opinion under the agreement on mutual legal assistance was blatantly ignored by the Germans, still chews snot.

    The anal one was removed from the plane in Omsk with the absence of an unconditional symptom of the use of a nerve agent - constriction of the pupils, during the entire time of his stay in the Omsk clinic, this symptom did not arise in Anal, examination by German doctors and loading the carcass of the Anal in a state of medicinal coma into the plane The Bundeswehr in Omsk also occurred without pupillary constriction.

    So the poisoning (if it was) was carried out by the Germans, who got their hands on the massive use of poisonous substances on tens of millions of prisoners of their concentration camps in WWII and received all the information on the Novichok family from Yeltsin in the early 1990s.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 13: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Operator
      The anal one was filmed in Omsk from an airplane with the absence of an unconditional symptom of the use of a nerve agent


      How do you know? Nowhere. And the ambulance team in Omsk immediately injected Navalny with atropine.
      1. Operator
        Operator 14 September 2020 13: 38 New
        -1
        Before being removed from the plane in Omsk and injecting atropine, Analny's pupils were also not constricted.

        What did you want to say with your comment - that the Mengeleevites with a portfolio of ten million poisonings never lie? laughing
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 13: 43 New
          -3
          Quote: Operator
          Before being removed from the plane in Omsk and injecting atropine, Analny's pupils were also not constricted.


          You do not know this and you cannot know :)
          1. Operator
            Operator 14 September 2020 13: 45 New
            0
            You don't know anything at all and you won't be able to find out anymore laughing
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 33 New
              -4
              Well, why ... suddenly Putin decides to find the scoundrels, present them to the public and arrange an honest open trial at which they will repent of the poisoning of Navalny (at the instigation of the Polish intelligence, as is customary). Then we'll find out the whole truth :)
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 September 2020 14: 45 New
                +2
                I’m all for - to find the German scoundrels, put them on the international wanted list, send them to Russia and award them five years in camps for damage to the health of a Russian citizen.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 57 New
                  -5
                  Are you sure they are German? Are they British? Or American? Or did the Anglo-Saxons come from the depths of centuries to poison the Russian citizen Navalny?


                  Quote: Operator
                  Mengeleans


                  You watch The Living Dead too often lol
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 14 September 2020 15: 00 New
                    0
                    If they were small-shaven or African-American, then the Deutsches would have published their lab reports on anal blood testing long ago.

                    Yes, and small-shaven / African-Americans clearly could not poison the Anal on the Bundeswehr plane laughing
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 15: 03 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Operator
                      If they were small-shaven or African-American, then the Deutsches would have published their lab reports on anal blood testing long ago.


                      They posted the result lol
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 14 September 2020 15: 16 New
                        +2
                        The result is the exact name of the chemical compound (various types of phosphorus-organic compounds are known to hell and more). And where did you see this "miracle of St. Jorgen"?
                      2. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 17: 33 New
                        -1
                        [quote = Operator] The result is the exact name of the chemical [.quote

                        Because you want it? It doesn't work that way.

                        [quote = Operator] And where did you see this "miracle of St. Jorgen"? [/ quote]

                        What a "miracle", what nonsense you are talking about.
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 15 September 2020 10: 23 New
                        -2
                        The German business, which built SP-2 at its own expense, will put the piston in Angelka's ass and everything will work as it should.

                        After which your delirium will gradually develop into a twilight state. bully
                      4. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 15 September 2020 10: 27 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Operator
                        German business, which built SP-2 at its own expense


                        Are you ... really? At your own expense? Tell us more about this.

                        Quote: Operator
                        inserts the piston in Angelka's ass


                        Merkel will do what she thinks is right. She has already announced her departure, and she does not care at all.
                      5. Operator
                        Operator 15 September 2020 10: 35 New
                        -1
                        About the fact that Angelka is working off her severance pay from the overseas boss.

                        Everyone knows this very well, as well as the sharp drop in energy consumption in Europe in connection with the ongoing pandemic, therefore, preventive work is carried out at SP-1 with a temporary cessation of gas supply, and construction work on SP-2 has been suspended.

                        The main thing is not to supply our vaccine to the Federal Republic of Germany until Angelka recognizes the poisoning of the Anal by her order by the BND officers.
                      6. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 15 September 2020 10: 59 New
                        0
                        You constantly find new topics of delirium smile
                      7. Operator
                        Operator 15 September 2020 11: 11 New
                        -1
                        You constantly find new reasons for hysteria.
                      8. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 15 September 2020 11: 13 New
                        +1
                        You never told how German business built SP-2 for their money. smile
                      9. Operator
                        Operator 15 September 2020 11: 14 New
                        0
                        Damn, and you, it turns out, do not know basic things.

                        With the next explosion of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline near Kiev, you bully
                      10. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 15 September 2020 11: 16 New
                        +1
                        You’re ready to talk about everything from vaccines to gas pipeline explosions, but not about how German business is ... you get the idea.
                      11. Operator
                        Operator 15 September 2020 11: 18 New
                        -1
                        I'm not an information desk.
  • Dima68
    Dima68 14 September 2020 13: 55 New
    +4
    Atropine is treated according to symptoms, and the substance can be different, ranging from Dichlorvos and herbicides. Cholinesterase inhibitors have such a wide range of applications that Navalny could in fact be poisoned by mixing moonshine with the medications he was taking in his stomach.
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 14 September 2020 14: 16 New
      +1
      Somewhere in the press there was infa that Lesha was treating his eyes ... Perhaps taking medications plus alcohol ... Although, I am more inclined to believe that in this case there may be "more to do" with the one who spent the night with him now, quite possibly returned to England.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 31 New
      -3
      Quote: Dima68
      Navalny could, in fact, get sick by mixing moonshine with the medications he was taking in his stomach.


      Do you think you could? And what medications did he take?
  • chingachguc
    chingachguc 14 September 2020 19: 11 New
    0
    there will be a joke if Navalny, when oklematsya, declares that he was poisoned by the CIA
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 September 2020 13: 06 New
    +2
    It is illogical to poison a person with a poison that has already shown its controversial effectiveness - and in an environment that allows the use of a firearm or explosives.
    The only more or less reasonable that this may be - that no one wanted a lethal outcome, it was the "shutdown" for a certain period that was considered.
    But for these purposes it was possible to choose a more suitable substance - a weaker but less noticeable poison, which quickly disintegrates in the blood. One figs of him were mutilated in Omsk for several days.

    So far, this whole story, seasoned with "Yellow Headlines" looks like one continuous nonsense going on around one poisoned (amazingly in time) person.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 14 September 2020 14: 09 New
      -4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It is illogical to poison a person with a poison that has already shown its controversial effectiveness - and in an environment that allows you to use a firearm or explosive


      As Mueller said, "we cannot understand the logic of the layman." smile And there is no reason to believe that we can understand the logic of the intended customers and performers.
      1. alean245
        alean245 14 September 2020 14: 30 New
        +1
        Leave the already poor owl alone.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 14: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It is illogical to poison a person with a poison that has already shown its controversial effectiveness.
      Why? Sanctions, according to their logic, can already be imposed. And endured reusable turns out.
  • Moonsund
    Moonsund 14 September 2020 13: 29 New
    +1
    Some kind of nonsense, reinforced super newcomer, some kind of biomaterials, some kind of tinkering, they would like to kill, all the possibilities were
    1. cniza
      cniza 14 September 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      Insolent political fuss ...
  • zwlad
    zwlad 14 September 2020 13: 36 New
    +1
    the research was carried out in three independent laboratories in Sweden and France

    So independent-independent! It already became visible.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 14 September 2020 13: 54 New
    +2
    Nonsense!))))
    If they wanted to remove it, they would have removed it without "noise and dust" and this is dirty political fuss
  • cniza
    cniza 14 September 2020 14: 15 New
    +1
    According to the statement, the results of Navalny's samples, which were examined in three independent laboratories in Sweden and France, showed the presence of a substance from the Novichok group.


    To conduct this study, you need to have samples, and where did they get them from? and why didn't anyone else get poisoned? , got it already ...
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 14: 49 New
      0
      Quote: cniza
      and why didn't anyone else get poisoned?
      He was wearing a mask and gloves ... wassat
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 September 2020 16: 46 New
        +1
        The British even staged a masquerade, but these with their bare hands ...
      2. chingachguc
        chingachguc 14 September 2020 19: 08 New
        0
        in a chemical protection suit, gi-gi))
    2. Clear
      Clear 16 September 2020 09: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      According to the statement, the results of Navalny's samples, which were examined in three independent laboratories in Sweden and France, showed the presence of a substance from the Novichok group.


      To conduct this study, you need to have samples, and where did they get them from? and why didn't anyone else get poisoned? , got it already ...

      That's it. And more questions to the EU:
      · Is there any justification for the alleged decision of the Russian authorities to poison Alexei Navalny with a military chemical nerve agent of the Novichok group, subject to the CWC ban, in a Russian city of half a million people, and then do everything possible to save his life and release him to further treatment to Germany, where can a “novice” be identified?
      · What would be the reason for the poisoning of Alexei Navalny by the Russian authorities, given that his actual popularity rate is unlikely to reach 2%, according to a recent poll conducted in July 2020 by the independent non-governmental organization Levada Center?
      · Why is the German government so reluctant to provide the Russian authorities with the results of the toxicological analysis carried out by a specialized laboratory of the German armed forces, or to make them public if Berlin is sure that Mr. Navalny was poisoned? On August 27, 2020, the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation sent an official request for legal assistance to the German authorities. However, Berlin did not want to respond promptly and constructively to this request, first delaying the answer, and then stating that no evidence would be provided due to confidentiality, and ultimately declaring the whole case secret?
      · At the same time, we constantly hear that the Russian government needs to thoroughly and transparently investigate the attempted murder of Mr. Navalny. It is argued that all evidence and witnesses must be found "somewhere in Siberia."
      Was it a coincidence that at the same time, some of the persons accompanying Mr Navalny on his trip to Siberia immediately left Russia for Germany after the incident?
      · Why do German doctors from the Charite hospital shy away from a professional dialogue with their Russian colleagues, despite the obvious inconsistencies in symptoms, toxicological analysis and Mr. Navalny's diagnosis? The German Federal Medical Chamber rejected the proposal of Russian colleagues to create a joint group to conduct a medical examination in the case of Mr. Navalny.
      · Why is it claimed that the military chemical nerve agent of the Novichok group was developed by the Soviet Union and then by Russia, neglecting the fact that for a number of years experts from Western states and relevant NATO centers have been developing chemicals belonging to the Novichok group? For example, the United States has issued more than 150 patents for the military use of these chemicals.
      · Why was Mr. Navalny accompanied to the Charité hospital by the police and special services when he arrived in Berlin? Why were emergency security measures taken, and the hospital itself was turned into a high-security facility long before Novichok “opened”? Does this mean that Berlin knew something that neither Moscow nor Omsk knew about? It is worth noting that more than 60 biochemical tests were carried out in the Omsk hospital, none of which showed any signs of poisoning.
      * What is behind the story with the “bottle of water” supposedly with traces of poison on it? Neither CCTV cameras nor photographs show that Mr. Navalny used it before flying to Tomsk airport. If it was used before, or aboard a plane bound for Moscow, how did it get to Berlin?
      * Why not a single toxicology specialist, civilian or military, not a single Charite doctor at all gave a qualified opinion on this case (as did Russian doctors)?
      Allegations that any evidence can only be transferred to Russia with the patient's consent are incompatible with the numerous political statements made in Germany while he was still in a coma.
  • Operator
    Operator 14 September 2020 14: 42 New
    +1
    Anal in a trip to Tomsk was accompanied by his girlfriend Pevchikh Maria Konstantinovna, born in 1987, from Moscow, graduated from the sociological faculty of Moscow State University, since 2010 has been permanently residing in London, visits his homeland two or three times a year, works for Khodorkovsky, oversees funding NPO "FBK".

    In connection with the multimillion-dollar debts of NPO FBK, its head Analny began bankruptcy proceedings, which, according to Russian law, are accompanied by a mandatory audit of financial activities. In order to prevent auditors from accessing the internal documentation of the NPO and in connection with Analny's plans to leave the opposition, foreign sponsors finally decided to promote him as a sacred victim.

    Knowing about Analny's chronic diseases, the composition of the drugs he was taking and the diet he used, Khodorkovsky's agents, led by Masha Pevchikh, provoked alcohol poisoning and the subsequent sharp rise in Analny's blood sugar, which caused him acute pain in the pancreas. In the Omsk clinic, they took tests, did not find any poison, stabilized the patient's condition, put him into a medical coma, and allowed him to be transported to Germany. On the Bundeswehr plane on the way to Berlin, the Germans administered a non-lethal dose of an organic phosphorus compound similar to the Novichok BOV.

    After the landing of a Bundeswehr plane in Berlin, this compound was detected in anal blood samples by several European laboratories. The laboratory reports are not subject to public disclosure, since it will be immediately apparent that the organophosphorus compound does not belong to the Novichok family.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 14 September 2020 14: 53 New
      +3
      And I mean the same. If the test results are provided, we clearly have a control sample before sending the patient for treatment over the hillock. If something really appeared there, then this is already a reason to initiate a serious case. Only those who have brewed all this provocation will not like it. The more they lie, the more they lie - a classic.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 September 2020 14: 47 New
    +4
    The fundamental jamb of this technique is the same as that of the Banderlog in Mowgli. Instead of publicly describing a coherent and reproducible method of analysis, they shout in chorus "We are worthy of admiration! Worthy of admiration like no other people in the jungle! We all say so - so it is true!" laughing
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 September 2020 14: 48 New
    +2
    If Western and domestic puppeteers have already outlined a sacred sacrifice, then the bulk remains to be finished then wassat

    ... The big question is, who benefits from this sacrifice? Looks like puppeteers!
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 14 September 2020 14: 54 New
    +1
    I read the statements of a doctor from the Omsk hospital, where Navalny was given first aid. The doctor said that the samples of this patient were checked on a spectral analyzer manufactured in the USA and having the appropriate certification. And this equipment did not detect poisoning. If the Germans found poison on exactly such a spectral analyzer, then the conclusion suggests itself that the poisoning occurred during the flight or in a German clinic. It is enough to provide for comparison the results of spectral analysis from Omsk and Berlin and find out where the poisoning occurred.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 September 2020 14: 56 New
    +1
    Somehow not professional in anal. They would have given a log on a pumpkin and business. Now, for another week, snot-moans will be smeared on the media.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 14 September 2020 19: 06 New
      -1
      if it were Putin, he would have arranged an accident for him, like Evdokimova, or his wife would have shot him, like Rokhlina. Well, he is not so stupid, Putin is ours ...
  • Avior
    Avior 14 September 2020 15: 34 New
    +3
    unclear. There are control samples in Omsk. Why have they still not been presented to an independent laboratory to confirm that there was no newcomer? along with DNA analysis to confirm that Navalny's sample? All questions would be removed.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Why haven't they been presented to an independent laboratory yet?
      Revenge is a cold dish. And let them perverted in every way, so that later it would be easier to break through the bottom.
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 September 2020 19: 13 New
        +3
        a good spoon for dinner.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 15 New
          0
          it's more like a shootout.
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 September 2020 21: 09 New
            +2
            moreover, the examination needs to be carried out
  • BABAY22
    BABAY22 14 September 2020 16: 40 New
    +9
    Well, no one actually doubted that they would "find".
    And they will find exactly the Novice. It was questionable whether they would find an ampoule from under the Novice with VVP fingerprints in his pocket.
    Another thing is interesting here. If all the hedgehogs near Moscow knew that this was exactly what would happen, then why did the Big People, who are hardly more stupid than hedgehogs, allow the carcass to be taken to Germany?
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 01: 01 New
      11
      Quote: BABAY22
      allowed to take the carcass to Germany?

      Maybe it got bored (just kidding)wassat
      Seriously, this fact says only one thing, we didn't poison him.
  • depressant
    depressant 14 September 2020 16: 50 New
    +1
    The West needed Navalny alive. Apparently, he has not yet worked out the funds spent on it.
    I think it is appropriate for the political leadership of our country to raise the question in a harsh tone to the FRG, and in fact to NATO: how did it happen that Russian doctors did not find any traces of Novichok in Navalny's analyzes? And how did it happen that German military doctors, who had access to any chemical warfare agents, found traces of the poison? Including - to the "Newbie". And, finally, how did it happen that Navalny's internal organs do not have any traces of the effects of this poison, taking into account the fact that a considerable time has passed from the moment of the onset of the disease to the provision of primary medical care (request for landing, time of arrival, landing, arrival of the ambulance, etc. etc.).
    For some reason, it seems to me that it is time for our politicians to move from making excuses to direct accusations of the Federal Republic of Germany that, on the territory of this country, a chemical warfare agent was mixed into Navalny's analyzes in the amount necessary to create a so-called trace. Or, at least in the form of the above questions, express suspicion of this. Directly and unambiguously. And only then regret, they say, it's a pity that you have such things happening. And the main thing is complete conviction that you are right.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 September 2020 16: 52 New
    +2
    In the West, they think that in Russia they will poison someone (with an unclear result). Yes, we have so many bridges (here Nemtsov loved to walk) and thousands of "hang-ups" for murders (and missing) - why do we need this "Novichok". Why complicate everything ?
  • chingachguc
    chingachguc 14 September 2020 19: 04 New
    +1
    What an idiot you have to be to use the Novice to bait your enemies. It's like leaving a business card at the scene of a murder. And still not finish it off. I don't have much sympathy for Putin, but I don't think he is an idiot either. Stupid provocation of the West, focused primarily on stupid Western TV viewers. I feel sorry for Navalny. He was hounded by the CIA, or the Ukrainians, or someone else ... With such friends and enemies are not necessary.
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 01: 00 New
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      Quote: chingachguc
      I'm sorry for Navalny

      I don't care. He himself went to this. Nobody forced him to play in opposition.
  • VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV
    VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV 14 September 2020 20: 03 New
    -4
    And what do they try, if not a secret? Feces? Urine? And How? Does it taste or smell?
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 01: 00 New
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      Quote: VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV
      Does it taste or smell?

      You know it belay
  • Nitten
    Nitten 14 September 2020 22: 02 New
    +2
    After being injected with a microneedle, Navalny's body began to develop "Novichok" ....
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 59 New
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      Quote: Nitten
      After being injected with a microneedle, Navalny's body began to develop "Novichok" ....

      I am ashamed to ask, but I will ask: From what place does a beginner develop in him? wink
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 14 September 2020 23: 49 New
    0
    The German politician cuts the truth about Navalny: so that Russia, AGAIN, becomes our enemy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMZVzDf1Q8
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  • Disorder
    Disorder 15 September 2020 00: 06 New
    0
    And from where in France and Sweden the samples of "Novichok"? Especially Sweden, which is not a NATO member.
    How was it done in the Czech Republic for research?
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 15 September 2020 00: 09 New
    +1
    The German politician cuts the truth about Navalny: so that Russia, AGAIN, becomes our enemy!
  • high
    high 15 September 2020 01: 14 New
    0
    The presence of poison in Navalny was confirmed by laboratories in Sweden and France
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 15 September 2020 06: 43 New
    +1
    ***

    "... The messenger is drunken

    And in his empty bag

    They thrust another letter ... "

    ***
  • Campanella
    Campanella 16 September 2020 09: 41 New
    0
    Splash witchcraft into the crystal gloom of the glass ...
    All and sundry found a newcomer in Navalny and his things (by the way, they do not write where the samples are taken from, blood, mucous membranes, panties, socks, hair) and only Russian doctors could not do this.
    This suggests that the Novice virus, not the coronavirus, is roaming Europe.