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Poland urged Germany to finally abandon Nord Stream 2

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Poland urged Germany to finally abandon Nord Stream 2

Poland called on Germany and the European Union to finally abandon the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki made a statement on the website of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper.


Moravetsky called on the EU and Germany to finally abandon the Nord Stream 2 project in response to the poisoning of blogger Alexei Navalny by the Russian authorities. In his opinion, the only way out in this situation is "transferring the Nord Stream 2 project to the archive".

You cannot threaten Russia with a finger from afar and then get involved in the Nord Stream 2 project with Gazprom

- said Moravetsky.

The Polish prime minister stressed that the construction of the gas pipeline breaks the energy policy of the European Union from the inside, and makes Europe dependent on Russian gas. In addition, according to him, the launch of Nord Stream 2 will provide a serious financial injection into Russia, which will gain significant influence on one of the important EU partners - Germany.

Moravetsky said that Russia constantly violates international law and standards, therefore it is impossible to conduct a constructive dialogue with it.

Earlier it was reported that Warsaw can offer Berlin its own gas pipeline Baltic Pipe as an alternative to the Russian "Nord Stream-2".

At the same time, Berlin admitted that stopping the construction of the gas pipeline would lead to economic losses and hit Germany's reputation.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 14 September 2020 11: 20
    11
    I wonder what the Germans will answer to the pshek, whom they hate?
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 September 2020 11: 22
      28
      I will die of laughter if the Germans fall under the Poles ... God bless me! Alozic, as if he would dig himself up and go to the Bundestag to find out what is happening in this world! Well, they are lying under the Anglo-Saxons, this is half the trouble - what kind of relatives, but here ... laughing
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 14 September 2020 11: 23
        +9
        Then you hit the very heart of the apple!)))
        1. Temples
          Temples 14 September 2020 12: 22
          -5
          Now we live without this flow.
          And someone in their right mind in Russia believes that we will live better after the commissioning of SP2?

          Put into operation the Turkish Stream and what?

          So, well, fuck this stream together with the Nazis.
          Perhaps they are for the best.

          Only the media cuts loot sucking on this topic.
          1. dauria
            dauria 14 September 2020 12: 50
            +3
            So, well, fuck this stream together with the Nazis.


            These "fascists" know how to draw up contracts. And the courts are "theirs". I think that for such a "refusal" we will pump gas through the remaining pipes for free until it runs out.
            How many ships did Gazprom win? So I don’t remember. Played into the "clean" economy. The US and USSR economies have always been covered with a small "makeweight" - the Strategic Missile Forces and the army. This is not a bad argument in international courts.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 14 September 2020 14: 15
              +2
              Poland called on Germany and the European Union to finally abandon the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki made a corresponding statement

              Trump and Biden should kiss Pan Moravezei right in the ass in a fit of American gratitude! He definitely deserved it from them!
              1. BABAY22
                BABAY22 14 September 2020 22: 38
                +7
                Come on. Pan read from a piece of paper, which the above mentioned gentlemen sent him.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 14 September 2020 23: 01
                  0
                  Quote: BABAY22
                  Come on. Pan read from a piece of paper, which the above mentioned gentlemen sent him.

                  The "great" Polish lords have their own latent Polish national Polish policy - to restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth! Pilsudski's ideology in Poland has not disappeared anywhere - it lives among the Polish Nazis and flourishes.
                  And serving Poland to the interests of the United States is just a means for the great Polish Nazis to achieve their goals.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 14 September 2020 12: 51
            0
            Quote: Temples
            And someone in their right mind in Russia believes that we will live better after the commissioning of SP2?

            did we live better after the launch of SP1? - the answer is obvious!
            Quote: Temples
            Put into operation the Turkish Stream and what?

            Well, at least the fact that they reduced the pumping through Ukraine!
            Quote: Temples
            So, well, fuck this stream together with the Nazis.

            and where to get foreign exchange earnings? - we are not self-sufficient !!!!
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 14 September 2020 13: 18
              +1
              Quote: NEOZ
              and where to get foreign exchange earnings? - we are not self-sufficient !!!!

              And to everything you have your own “adjusted party course” answer ... But why the hell do we need an economy that requires foreign exchange earnings to develop? Maybe change priorities? Develop your own sources of profit? To take care of the welfare of most of the 146 million (not 149 !!!) population?
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 14 September 2020 14: 10
                -2
                Quote: ROSS 42
                And to everything you have your own answer "verified by the party course" ...

                my answers are truth (as it seems to me), not slogans.
                Quote: ROSS 42
                .And why the hell do we have such an economy, the development of which requires foreign exchange earnings?

                unfortunately, in our country less than 1 billion ... today, the development of most sectors of the economy requires the cooperation of more than 1 billion people in one economic space.
                in this regard, foreign exchange earnings are needed for cooperation with external markets (spaces)!
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Maybe change priorities?

                back to 19th century technology?
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Develop your own sources of profit?

                what do you mean? give examples.
                Quote: ROSS 42
                To take care of the welfare of the majority of the 146 million (not 149 !!!) population?

                the welfare of Russians has been steadily growing since 2000 !!!!
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                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 14 September 2020 15: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Stop talking nonsense here.

                    you are poorly educated and just as educated.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    No one is going to share technology with Russia for currency, beautiful eyes, or smooth bald patch.

                    we look at the book and see what?
                    Where did I write about buying technology?
                    for you, buying a Mercedes is equal to buying a technology for producing a Mercedes? - in general, it's good that you write this. other readers will see your intellectual level.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Here they can no longer repeat the Soviet technologies of the twentieth century

                    rightly that they cannot, and cannot !!! the population is 40% of the former !!!
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And you still have blinders on your eyes.

                    it is you who are hovering in illusions, you think that everything is bad because the elections are not correct / corruption / theft and so on ... this is from lack of knowledge ...
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    What, besides weapons, wheat and raw materials, can Russia trade?

                    especially nothing
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And what does she buy for the currency?

                    consumer goods, foreign recreation, as well as high-tech goods in the production of which the Russian Federation has no competencies.
                    in the end that in the end you are not able to see the statistics of the FCS? everything is there !!!
                    information is open !!! - even more than necessary ...
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Come to your senses ...

                    I'm more than sane!

                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And you, like some kind of mantra, repeat:

                    you first read the definition of the word "welfare" and then write:
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Go get a good product made at a purely Russian enterprise ..

                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    If someone manages to have a rest on the shores of warm seas twice a year, and I do not even have a foreign passport, then this does not mean at all that we annually rest at the sea.

                    this means that you personally are not capable of anything under today's capitalism (my condolences).
                    statistics show an explosive growth in sales of foreign cars in the cheap segment (see the top 10 best-selling cars in the Russian Federation, their number and cost), construction of economy and comfort class housing, as well as tourist trips to Turkey (Antalya) and India (Goa) - this is a rest lower price category.
                    so the feeling of begging is just your feeling, and by no means a nationwide trend.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 14 September 2020 11: 27
        +5
        I will die of laughter if the Germans fall under the Poles ...

        It's not about the Poles, IMHO. Blackmail on SP-2 because of RB is underway.
        As in Belarus everything will calm down, so with the SP-2 everything will work out. hi
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 14 September 2020 11: 43
          +1
          Earlier it was reported that Warsaw can offer Berlin its own gas pipeline Baltic Pipe as an alternative to the Russian "Nord Stream-2".

          It's like offering your neighbor your sexual favors for his wife! I wonder if a neighbor will simply lower him down the stairs or beat him down? fool
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 14 September 2020 11: 47
            +4
            The Poles have no money on Baltic Pipe.
            Will they pull from Germany again? bully
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 September 2020 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          so everything will work out with SP-2.

          not! SP2 should not be built. it is an end, not a means!
      3. figwam
        figwam 14 September 2020 12: 15
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        I will die of laughter if the Germans fall under the Poles

        Yes, how would they be at these Poles if not for the Americans.
    2. Livonetc
      Livonetc 14 September 2020 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      I wonder what the Germans will answer to the pshek, whom they hate?

      There is no hatred there.
      The Germans were methodically brainwashed for a long time.
      Is that the East Germans have retained partly "clarity" of mind.
      The "elite" will decide, as in fact everywhere.
      The question is how independent it can be and how the US ultimatum is delivered.
      It will be interesting to see.
      At one time, the FRG coped with US pressure.
      New testing now.
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 14 September 2020 11: 50
        +2
        There is no hatred, there is a disdainful attitude, "potato" is about the Poles.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 September 2020 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      I wonder what the Germans will answer to the pshek, whom they hate?

      Nothing. The Germans are smart people and will not talk to frankly narrow-minded people.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 14 September 2020 13: 23
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Alien From
        I wonder what the Germans will answer to the pshek, whom they hate?

        It's nothing.Germans are smart people and will not talk to openly narrow-minded people

        I won't say for all the Germans, but Grandma Merkel will talk to those with whom she is ordered to talk in the Washington Regional Committee. Painfully tight, they hold her wrinkled ass. I have a version of what, but even I myself understand that it hurts with conspiracy theory. Here is, in my opinion, the papa-pastor with a secret confession, her Komsomol past and the "Stasi", in which the Pope himself is somehow undignified to go. "Father, do you hear, chops, and I take away ..." And when the Germans, drunk with the happiness of the unification of Germany, allegedly burned the archives of the "Stasi" - such papers do not burn. And daddy is lying somewhere in Langley with the Stasi seal and the surname of grandmother Angels, holding the Chancellor firmly on the kukan. The contents are made public - and the death of the grandmother may not be political at all. The theory, of course, is so to itself ... But I can not find another explanation for the fact that the grandmother is obedient to America so that she competes with the Humpbacked Spotted Dog ...
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 14 September 2020 14: 11
          +2
          Humpback spotted dog ...... tagged?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 14 September 2020 17: 08
            +1
            Quote: Alien From
            Humpback spotted dog ...... tagged?

            Naturally. About him, the late bitch, who pathologically hated Russia, M. Thatcher said: "We do not have time to ask any concessions from the USSR, but Gorbachev himself offers and does it himself." She longed for the Humpbacked Dog in hell ...
    4. askort154
      askort154 14 September 2020 12: 10
      +4
      Moravetsky called on the EU and Germany to finally abandon the Nord Stream 2 project in response to the poisoning of blogger Alexei Navalny by the Russian authorities. In his opinion, the only way out in this situation is "transferring the Nord Stream 2 project to the archive".

      "The hat is on fire for a thief" is a wise saying, and the second is "look for someone who benefits from it."
      The Poles did not have enough endurance, they began to pierce stupidly. Poland is rolling downhill. She began to accuse Russia of the murder of their president, and slipped into the personality of the "bulk", about which the people in Poland have no idea. Trump said -
      I will not let you build SP-2, and immediately, the Polish leadership began to zealously fulfill this message. In the 21st century, Poland has become the center of Russophobia in Europe. They understand that this is their main hobby, to become the first Anglo-Saxon "hyena lady" in Europe
    5. Civil
      Civil 14 September 2020 12: 22
      0
      So what? Will the pipes there rot now? Also an idiotic proposal.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 September 2020 12: 57
        0
        Quote: Civil
        So what? Will the pipes there rot now?

        JV2 is like a needle in a vein in our economy to bleed ...
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 14 September 2020 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      I wonder what the Germans will answer to the pshek, whom they hate?

      They will advise this crooked man to get out from under the ass of the Lithuanian horse. It smells. repeat
    7. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 September 2020 14: 07
      +1
      It is not so important for us what they will answer there.
      The conclusion is clear. Because of the far-fetched reason that someone is poisoning someone, they develop restrictions in cooperation with the Russian Federation. What did Putin's agents harass Navalny? And not to death for some reason. There are more likely agents of the United States and it is precisely to disrupt a well-known project.
      No hugs with the West, Mistrals, the pipelines have already shown everything. Self-reliance, coercion into peaceful coexistence through nuclear deterrence and pragmatism in trade, based on a limited market for Western consumer goods and food.
      The Fritzes, it seems, like masochists, are ready amerskoy g ... is and still make a smart face.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 14 September 2020 11: 20
    +7
    Lyosha's tummy, of course, rumbled, but as much gas as SP-2, it will not generate Germany smile
  3. Don karleone
    Don karleone 14 September 2020 11: 23
    +3
    Poles point to Germans ........ Brad
  4. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 14 September 2020 11: 24
    +2
    And who is Navalny in the concept of an ordinary German? Nobody. And the reduction in utility bills and new opportunities for the economy cannot be compared with fantasies about "poisoning".
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 40
      +2
      And who is Navalny in the concept of an ordinary German?
      Navalny is nobody, but the Novice who poisoned Navalny three times, which is confirmed by three independent laboratories of the Federal Republic of Germany this trend smile ... I'm just surprised belay a chemical warfare agent poisoned one person in a public place without hurting the surrounding people ... miracles ... at what stage did they slip this pig in Germany to the Germans? ... I suppose there was no MI6 agent here.
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 01
      -9
      And the reduction in utility bills and new opportunities for the economy will not be compared with fantasies.


      It would be much more interesting to hear about the reduction of utility bills in Russia.
      For some reason, they don't even tell us any fantasies for "non-reduction".
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 00
        0
        Quote: Roman13579
        It would be much more interesting to hear about the reduction of utility bills in Russia.

        there is no reduction and will not be ... live with it ...
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 14 September 2020 13: 22
          -2
          We live .. And some also worry about the Germans ..))
    3. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 14 September 2020 12: 16
      0
      The German leadership will have a problem if JV 2 is not completed. All firms that have invested in construction (and this is billions of dollars) will begin to sue, and Germany will have to fork out. And I would also advise Gazprom (or Russia) in this case to claim damages.
      And with Navalny, ....., yes, someone was interested in giving Russia an "eye". I think that we need to seriously take up the investigation and bring customers and executors to clean water.
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 26
        -4
        All firms that invested in construction (and this is billions of dollars) will begin to sue, and Germany will have to fork out


        You can already go and sue Alseas ..)) Doesn't it work ??
        Well, the same will happen with others !!
        Gazprom has already paid for all this.

        PS Well, the Kremlin did not manage to weld on this business .. invested and burned out ..
        This happens in any business .. Tea is not pawned their last pants, but people's money .. So no one has lost anything ..
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 14 September 2020 12: 29
          +1
          It is not evening yet, construction has not yet been officially stopped. Let's do a look.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 02
        -4
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        start to sue

        in a tall London one? .... funny .... he admits the guilt of Russia and Putin personally ...
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        I think that we need to seriously take up the investigation and bring customers and performers to clean water.

        Do you get richer? ...
      3. Brturin
        Brturin 14 September 2020 13: 55
        +2
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        And I would also advise Gazprom (or Russia) in this case to claim damages.

        Yes, they are already suing - Nord Stream 2 filed a lawsuit for eight billion euros against the European Union for the protection of investments in the permanent court of arbitration, it was decided to hold the meetings in Toronto ... not to confuse this case with the Court of General Jurisdiction of the European Union, where in May Nord Stream 2 was refused and they filed an appeal ... only the courts are not quick and, as practice shows, not reliable ...
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 24
    +2
    Let's see what will prevail in this case ... economics or politics.
    The Germans are practical people and I would be surprised if they break this rule. smile
    Well, Poland fully justifies the nickname given to her by Churchill ... he is a hyena and in Europe a hyena.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 05
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      economics or politics.

      politics is a consequence of economics ...
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Germans are practical people

      but not sovereign ...
  6. Romka
    Romka 14 September 2020 11: 27
    -6
    And what does an ordinary Russian get from whether there will be SP-2 or not? If possible, then specifically.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 29
      0
      And what does an ordinary Russian get from whether there will be SP-2 or not? If possible, then specifically.
      Well, if the proceeds from gas sales are not stolen ... then pensions and various state aid programs and other state projects.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 14 September 2020 12: 04
        -1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Well, if the proceeds from gas sales are not stolen ... then pensions

        Are you saying that if SP-2 is closed, then pensions will be covered? laughing or will it be doubled? laughing
        A simple Russian in general does not care about this SP-2, but the oligarchs who supervise it and those who stuck to them .... yes ..... the profit will increase several times, because chasing his motherland's bowels does not need much mind !!
        1. Romka
          Romka 14 September 2020 12: 23
          -6
          If anyone loses, it is German capital invested in this pipe. The money from the budget was regularly transferred to the Russian capitalists, crumbs were thrown to the commoners.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 14 September 2020 12: 29
            -1
            Quote: Romka
            Money from the budget was regularly transferred to Russian capitalists

            good
            Quote: Romka
            crumbs are thrown to commoners

            request
        2. Roman13579
          Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 31
          -5
          Are you saying that if SP-2 is closed, then pensions will be covered?

          Yes .. they want to say about this .. but they are shy ..))
          For, with some part of the body, they still understand that other countries live without all these flows .. and they pay their residents a pension unlike our 150 bucks ..
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 03
      -7
      Didn't you feel anything from the launch of the Turkish Stream and the Power of Siberia ??
      Here from SP-2 it will be the same, but 2 times more ..))
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: Romka
      If possible, then specifically.

      specifically, every Russian will receive: 1) the realization that Russophobia in Ukraine is not due to our gas 2) an increase in foreign exchange earnings can be invested in projects in the Russian Federation, which will create a multiplier effect.
      enough?
      1. Romka
        Romka 14 September 2020 14: 40
        -4
        Say "our gas"? Are you a Gazprom shareholder? And who is not the owner of "your" gas? How much are all these pipelines from the budget? What effect (and most importantly - who has?) Is obtained from the development of state money?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 September 2020 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: Romka
          Say "our gas"?

          national treasure (means common)
          Quote: Romka
          Are you a Gazprom shareholder?

          I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation is a shareholder of Gazprom, is it difficult to deduce this logic by ourselves?
          Quote: Romka
          And who is not the owner of "your" gas?

          not residents
          Quote: Romka
          How much are all these gas pipelines from the budget?

          as much as necessary! more than 50% of the state's shares in Gazprom!
          Quote: Romka
          What effect (and most importantly - who has?) Is obtained from the development of state money?

          all citizens of the Russian Federation to varying degrees. an example is the growth in the well-being of citizens since 2000.
          1. Romka
            Romka 14 September 2020 14: 55
            -3
            "National" was under the Union, but now it is "Millerovo". And the welfare of the citizens of the Russian Federation at the moment will return to 2000, as soon as the oil becomes $ 20 per barrel.
  7. AVA77
    AVA77 14 September 2020 11: 30
    0
    Poland.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZi0ut5LoyY
  8. Kamarada
    Kamarada 14 September 2020 11: 31
    -6
    It seems to me that the pipe was drowned for nothing. Moreover, this is not the first case with pipes. Well, it's good that the Russian oligarchy will not become poorer. Otherwise, there won't be enough for new yachts and palaces.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 09
      +2
      Quote: Kamarada
      It seems to me that the pipe was drowned for nothing

      whoever is not wrong does nothing!
  9. unhappy
    unhappy 14 September 2020 11: 31
    -2
    But Leon Trotsky is generally an ice pick am
    Why Stalin was not staged, where have you been before!
  10. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 11: 31
    +2
    Moravetsky said that Russia constantly violates international law and standards, therefore it is impossible to conduct a constructive dialogue with it.

    Muravetsky did not confuse much. He wanted to say this about Poland (constantly violates international legislation and standards, therefore it is impossible to conduct a constructive dialogue with her.). But for some reason he said about Russia. wassat
  11. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 14 September 2020 11: 32
    +2
    It will be a big nonsense if the Germans "fall" under the Poles. It's "fun" in Europe today, and you would think that perhaps the "color revolution" was started in order to kill two birds with one stone.
  12. Wolverine
    Wolverine 14 September 2020 11: 35
    +2
    Poor Leshik ... There will be so many bankrupt shareholders in the event of the cancellation of SP-2, and so many people who want to unscrew his stupid liberal head ... The line will probably be long
  13. Kamarada
    Kamarada 14 September 2020 11: 36
    -2
    (Moravetsky said that Russia constantly violates international laws and standards, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE to conduct a constructive dialogue with it) And in the Kremlin, everything is somehow trying to conduct a dialogue with the PARTNERS. D .... B ....
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 September 2020 11: 38
    +2
    Yeah, Poles want the Germans to depend on them laughing Fantastic, and the Germans will take it?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 14 September 2020 13: 27
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yeah, Poles want the Germans to depend on them laughing Fantastic, and the Germans will take it?

      The Washington Regional Committee will give orders and they will. First time or what? Not a girl already Angela, go - grandmother. Why be ashamed of something?
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2020 11: 39
    +1
    This circus is simply not interesting ... however, let's look at the bottom line.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 43
      +3
      however, let's look at the result.

      And so it is clear ... the hailey like the Russians are to blame ... and specifically, Putin personally poured BOV to Navalny ... with the dose, he was mistaken ... it was necessary to pour two hundred grams, but he poured a hundred ... so he did not poison Lesha.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 September 2020 11: 50
        +2
        The topic about the micro Fuhrer was inflated above the roof. In principle, a dashing special operation in the style of nasty, from the islands.
        It can be admitted that they managed to cheer up the entire nervous audience, and they gave their tame organizations an excuse, one might say, they gave the FAS command!
        I'd spit on all this, but ONE QUESTION haunts me! Who is covering all this sharashkin's desk ..... it is obvious that this is so. For the cunning game of our services, I do not believe from the definition AT ALL!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 54
          +2
          It's hard to say who poured shit into this swamp ... but billions of euros have been invested in SP-2 and investors are unlikely to give them up ... too much money is tied there.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2020 12: 32
            +1
            The striped people do not care who is there and what has invested. They are especially happy to rip off Gay Europeans!
            The law of the jungle is harsh, and the striped vulture now behaves the strongest, which almost never open up.
            We will see in short.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 14 September 2020 13: 33
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          In principle, a dashing special operation in the style of nasty, from the islands.

          Only the technology itself had to be invented somehow. With the Skripals, the "Newbie" somehow looked unconvincing, although the Naglo-Saxons tried. And the Germans do not look like themselves - not only do they eat a banana already eaten for the second time, they also did not bother to wrap it in a beautiful wrapper ... Everything is somehow clumsy. It seems that the Germans specifically want to show - "Stupid people are eating, and whoever knows how to think will understand that we are not ourselves, we were forced ..."
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 September 2020 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And the Germans are not like themselves

            they have a steep redistribution of power is planned! and Angela 1 will not want to leave his party at a broken trough! those. there is an alliance with the GREEN !!! and who are they all has long been clear ... in their plans our gas and oil DOESN'T MEAN! Everything is clear and logical, you don't want to lose power, so they prepare in advance.
            It has been warned about this for a LONG time, those who know how to predict .... but what the result will be now is not clear.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 14 September 2020 17: 15
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              there is an alliance with the GREEN !!! and who are they all has long been clear ... in their plans our gas and oil DOESN'T MEAN! Everything is clear and logical

              The most interesting and logical (from the point of view of the logic of the inhabitants of specialized closed medical institutions) is that our gas and oil are not environmentally friendly and harmful. But American oil and liquefied gas at exorbitant prices are environmentally friendly and useful. Almost as pure as water from Baikal and air in Tibet.

              Wonderful are your deeds, Lord ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 September 2020 20: 15
                +1
                Well, yes, to someone the industry and the well-being of citizens are more important, while other "molecules of freedom" were introduced into ecstasy!
                The sect, however. You cannot understand them with your mind, without a glass of pervac.
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 September 2020 11: 45
    -2
    How much money has already been thrown in, it has already turned into a babble-pipe without any hopes for recoupment.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 51
      +3
      How much money has already been thrown in, it has already turned into a babble-pipe without any hopes for recoupment.

      Five European energy companies - Gazprom's partners in the Nord Stream 2 project - have already invested almost a billion euros in its implementation, that is, almost the entire capital budget for the project in the amount of € 8 billion has already been invested. TASS was informed about this by the official representative of the company - the operator of the Nord Stream 2 AG project.

      “European energy companies from Austria, Germany, France, Great Britain and the Netherlands each have invested almost a billion euros.

      https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6427621
      What do you think investors will do in this case? hi
      1. Liam
        Liam 14 September 2020 11: 53
        -3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        What do you think investors will do in this case?

        They will take money from Gazprom. This money was given to Gazprom as loans at interest. And loans are returned regardless of how the borrower is doing
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 14 September 2020 11: 58
          +4
          This money was given to Gazprom as interest-bearing loans.
          Well, this is just a part of the capital investment ... only 12 billion euros have been invested and not all of the funds belong to Gazprom ... so many other investors will suffer from the actions of the United States ...
          https://www.ng.ru/economics/2020-07-21/1_4_7916_sanction.html
          1. Liam
            Liam 14 September 2020 12: 03
            -7
            They will not suffer. The onshore section of the gas pipeline was also paid for by Gazprom on the "pump or pay" principle. That is, Gazprom pledged to pay even if there is no gas
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 14 September 2020 12: 04
              0
              Let's look at the results of the completion of the construction of the SP-2 ... in six months a year, at most, the picture will become completely clear.
              1. Roman13579
                Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 10
                -4
                Everything was finally cleared up a year ago ..
                Well, for those who have not cleared up, the next few years will not be enough to come to terms with reality.
                As they say - this music will play forever.
              2. Liam
                Liam 14 September 2020 12: 17
                -4
                And what to watch. The contracts have been signed for a long time. Firstly, the company building Eugal (the ground-based continuation of SP-2 is called Gascade Gastransport GmbH with headquarters in Kassel - a joint venture Wintershall (the share of a 50,02% subsidiary of the German chemical concern BASF is XNUMX%) and Gazprom.
                And secondly

                If, on the contrary, Nord Stream 2 stalls and EUGAL goes into operation, then Gazprom will have to pay the full price for the empty pipe. "The client is obliged to pay for the contracted gas transmission capacities. Whether they are used or not is a secondary issue for us," said project manager Ludger Hümbs in an interview with DW. This is what makes EUGAL especially attractive to foreign investors: Gazprom's long-term booking strategy provides them with a win-win.
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 08
        -2
        What is 5-8 billion.
        Gazprom has been slobbering over the West over the past few years.
        So - investors will not do anything .. they will do like Alseas .. so as not to lose even more ..
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        What do you think investors will do in this case?

        wipe ... as wiped themselves more than once ...
        or like this:
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        They will take money from Gazprom.
      4. Free wind
        Free wind 14 September 2020 13: 44
        -3
        All investments are insured, insurance companies will pay out to investors, this is a long-standing practice. And insurance companies will demand payments from the culprit, that is, Gazprom, and Gazprom is the guarantor of the state, that is, you and I. A year later, Merkel leaves, who will come unknown, there may be greens and neo-Nazis. Greens need little gas. The LNG market is saturated, prices are falling. So investors will receive payments from insurance companies, minus the insurance premium, and not received interest.
      5. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 September 2020 18: 55
        0
        In this case, Western investors can easily sue the Russian Federation for a quarter plus penalties.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 September 2020 11: 46
    0
    This "rubber boobyaga" with Navalny will obviously drag on for a long time, but the main thing is both on time and to the delight of the opponents of the SP-2.
    Poland called on Germany ...
    Can't old Merkel see who wants to take Germany's place to be the European locomotive? He sees perfectly well and still goes to the stupidest actions up to the severance of relations with Russia. A complete mess and bacchanalia.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 14 September 2020 11: 59
      0
      who aspires to take Germany's place as a European powerhouse?


      Poland did not and does not have the potential to be a European locomotive. Their economy is doing well only thanks to Germany.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 14 September 2020 12: 06
        +2
        It's strange. All worthwhile political scientists, including European ones, openly talk about Poland's aspiration to dominate Europe. By "locomotive" in this case, I meant not the economy, but political leadership. Let's assume that we did not quite understand each other.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 14 September 2020 13: 00
          +1
          By "locomotive" in this case, I meant not the economy, but political supremacy


          In that case, yes. hi But France really wants this too ... Macron cannot eat directly. laughing Yes, no one pays attention to him, but what to say about Poland? Aspiration is one thing, but opportunities ... in general, let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities ...
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 14 September 2020 13: 09
            +1
            in general, let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities ...
            Totally agree! hi
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 14 September 2020 12: 46
        -3
        Their economy is doing well only thanks to Germany.

        It's true.
        Poland did not and does not have the potential to be a European locomotive.

        Ambition, they are Ambition. And also the history that Poland wants to rewrite.
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 September 2020 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Their economy is doing well only thanks to Germany.

        rather the United States.
  18. Svetlana
    Svetlana 14 September 2020 11: 58
    +1
    IMHO, we need to do what we did a couple of years ago by closing the South Stream. How long can you listen to their claims. Well, no renewals through Ukraine and Poland. Also deliver until the end of the current agreements.
    Let our gas remain for our descendants, they will only be grateful.
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 14 September 2020 12: 13
      -3
      Well, no renewals through Ukraine and Poland. Also deliver until the end of the current agreement.

      This was already passed a year ago ..
      Then they paid a fine and signed a new contract ..))
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 September 2020 13: 31
      +1
      *Too deliver before the end of the current arrangement.
      .
      Fucking phone I.e should stand
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 14 September 2020 12: 02
    +3
    Smoky Poles cannot distinguish between the main technical capabilities of the Baltic Pipe and Nord Stream 2. Pumping gas above the performance characteristics by 300% through the Baltic Pipe, this is a Nobel prize, gentlemen!
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 14 September 2020 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Smoky Poles cannot distinguish between the main technical capabilities of the Baltic Pipe and Nord Stream 2. Pumping gas above the performance characteristics by 300% through the Baltic Pipe, this is a Nobel prize, gentlemen!

      The Poles want to preserve the full transit through Yamal-Europe, the investment contract (when the price for transit was minimal), the Poles expressed great dissatisfaction with these prices and promised to raise them .... Now the capacity is being booked according to European rules. The Poles offered to book for 15 years, Gazprom refused, booked for a year (from October to October) ... And then it gives the Poles the opportunity to use a vertical reverse to take this gas from the pipe -
      This happened in the first half of this year. According to PGNiG, the company imported 1,15 billion cubic meters from the southern and western directions. However, as the statistics of ENTSOG, the united platform of European GTS operators, show, only 220 million cubic meters came in the form of real supplies - from the Czech Republic. The rest was made by a virtual reverse from Germany.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/08/11/polsha-peredumala-snizhat-zakupki-u-gazproma
      In 2022, the Poles' contract with Gazprom ends, so that the virtual reverse can and will increase ... and when the SP-2 is launched, there are no transit guarantees in the absence of long-term booking ...
  20. lelik613
    lelik613 14 September 2020 12: 03
    +1
    I don’t like this Winnit ... I don’t like it, don’t eat (c) folk wisdom
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 September 2020 12: 03
    0
    At the same time, Berlin admitted that stopping the construction of the gas pipeline would lead to economic losses and hit Germany's reputation.
    The ball is on the side of the nemchura. And if they follow the lead of the Merikatos and their accomplices, Gazprom will be hit below the belt.
  22. Sibguest
    Sibguest 14 September 2020 12: 22
    0
    SP-2? I-ah-ah.
    Poland-gas-pipe? I-ah-ah.
    I-ah-ah-ah ... from you the Hans just fall with laughter. Well, you have a fascist flag in your hands, a European drum around your neck ... and - drang nah fucking.
  23. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 14 September 2020 12: 22
    +2
    And Baltic Pipe won't depend on Norwegian gas? SP-2 is just an alternative and competition. Clean economy and no politics.
  24. zwlad
    zwlad 14 September 2020 12: 35
    +2
    The Polish prime minister stressed that the construction of the gas pipeline breaks the energy policy of the European Union from within and makes Europe dependent on Russian gas.

    And at the same time it makes Poles and Outskirts less dependent on American LNG and freaks.
    Moravetsky said that Russia constantly violates international law and standards, therefore it is impossible to conduct a constructive dialogue with it.

    And your partners from the United States do not violate the type of niche.
    Earlier it was reported that Warsaw can offer Berlin its own gas pipeline Baltic Pipe as an alternative to the Russian "Nord Stream-2".

    But it turns out that everything is so simple, someone wants to raise money at the expense of Germany.
  25. Lesorub
    Lesorub 14 September 2020 13: 34
    +4
    Earlier it was reported that Warsaw can offer Berlin its own gas pipeline Baltic Pipe as an alternative to the Russian "Nord Stream-2".

    The Germans can hint at the closure of their factories in Poland - it will be interesting - will the Poles be smart after that?
  26. Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 September 2020 14: 03
    +2
    "Hyena Europa" opened its mouth, but it is unlikely that its squeals will be heard by literate and thinking people ..
  27. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 September 2020 14: 59
    0
    If Germany had only listened to advice from Poland just once, the very existence of Germany would have been in great danger!
  28. fa2998
    fa2998 14 September 2020 16: 34
    0
    Quote: NEOZ
    did we live better after the launch of SP1? - the answer is obvious!

    Are you from the management of Gazprom? That the majority of Russians in recent years have not become better off!
  29. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 14 September 2020 17: 01
    0
    Somebody put in an enema to this Polish Gurvinek, otherwise his guano has been going on in his mouth for a long time. ))
  30. chingachguc
    chingachguc 14 September 2020 19: 14
    0
    that's who the main beneficiary is! This is who trawled Navalny!
  31. razved
    razved 14 September 2020 21: 17
    +2
    Warsaw can offer Berlin its own gas pipeline Baltic Pipe as an alternative to the Russian Nord Stream 2.

    That's where we need to start. And then Russia is that Russia. Psheki stupidly care exclusively about their wallet!
  32. Zhan
    Zhan 14 September 2020 22: 08
    +1
    Quote: NEOZ
    the welfare of Russians has been steadily growing since 2000 !!!!

    Of course it grows, in 10% of the population! That's right, maternity capital, they are going to index again! Women don't want to give birth! Straight everything is in prosperity, I already can not ... Do not tell ... hi
  33. sleeve
    sleeve 15 September 2020 01: 19
    -1
    In fact, now, in the moment, it is more profitable to quit. Moreover, to force to become the initiators of the "wigs", which is already inevitable.
    1. Immediately there are short-term litigation for compensation of losses, where you can get a lot, taking into account the investment structure, but it would be more honest to restore your own.
    2. The pipes will remain unfinished for only 160 km. The status of the built is determined. Dismantling is not required and maintenance of the "new" is not so expensive.
    3. The economic effect will become evident only with a relatively recovered economy of the European Union. That is, 4-5 years.
    4. Ideally, sell "unfinished" Europeans altogether.
  34. fif21
    fif21 15 September 2020 12: 35
    0
    Psheki are afraid that the gas hub will be in Germany and the gas will go to the Panamas at a premium! wassat And for the transit of gas they will break off as well as fat eaters. wassat They will impose sanctions, receive counter-sanctions and lose the huge Russian sales market. hi
  35. NF68
    NF68 15 September 2020 16: 11
    0
    As soon as the crayfish on the mountain whistle, the Germans will refuse from the SP-2. And the Poles compensate the Germans for all losses in 100%.