No joint inspection, no implemented ultimatum: about the situation near the village of Shumy near Gorlovka

The situation that has developed in the area of ​​the Shumy settlement near Gorlovka is being discussed. The degree of discussion is also added by the statements that have been made recently by the head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Denis Pushilin. The head of the DPR twice announced an order to destroy the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Shumov area, but the matter never came to fruition.

The last withdrawal of the order was due to the fact that the Ukrainian side and the OSCE agreed to jointly inspect the territories near Horlivka. This initiative, we recall, came from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR Natalia Nikonorova. But as soon as it came to direct monitoring, Kiev withdrew the decision on the joint inspection.

The head of the Ukrainian representative office in the Trilateral Contact Group, Leonid Kravchuk, said that the withdrawal of the decision was due to the fact that the representatives of the DPR “wanted to inspect not only the Noises, but also the surroundings”. In fact, the withdrawal of the decision is connected with the next threats from the radicals against Zelensky. The radicals called the decision on a joint inspection with the DPR "a betrayal of Ukrainian interests," and the Ukrainian president once again played back under pressure from radical circles.

Now the situation looks like a stalemate: no implemented ultimatum, no joint inspection.

In the DPR, they once again announced that they received data on new engineering work of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the village of Shuma - with the creation of new fortifications. But Pushilin's order to destroy these fortifications on September 9 was withdrawn. And this is against the background of the fact that no joint inspection is foreseen, just as it is not expected that the Ukrainian military themselves dismantle the fortifications, which should not be in accordance with the agreements concluded. Moreover, this is another evidence that negotiating with Kiev, by and large, is meaningless, since the Ukrainian side did not comply with the agreements, does not comply and, apparently, is not going to comply. At the same time, political scientists constantly say that "Zelensky does not have the proper opportunities to influence the security forces." And who, then, is this president and supreme commander in chief? .. What is the point of negotiating? It looks like nothing.

Comments

[Avior]

Pushilin puffed and deflated.
Maybe it was necessary to puff quietly, and not so loudly and with pathos, or just be silent?

[Alexey Sommer]

He's a puppet. What do you want from him? That he would lie down on the embrasure alone?

[Avior]

If he just kept quiet, it would be much more useful.
Well, or the DNR got involved in the economy in order to raise salaries somehow, or something.
And he did not give loud but empty threats.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Avior

If he just kept quiet, it would be much more useful.

Again 25!))
He's a puppet! Well, the kid's nerves could not stand, he issued an order last week .. Because his local people are asking .. They say how many more Russian people will be killed by the Nazis? ..
And then they pulled it back from Moscow, and he went for it too.
Don't you really understand this?

[Alexey Sommer]

Russian people will pass by.
We are proud of you compatriots!

[Revival]

So that I can talk less in vain, just ..

[Same lech]

Yeah ... Pushilin published one big bunch ... serious politicians don't do that ... I have no respect for such empty delusions. The policy of the LPRNR leadership sometimes causes shock ... Zakharchenko was killed, which was done by the LPRP leadership to find and punish the killers .. . Absolutely nothing ... just empty words ... I have ceased to understand the logic of thinking of the LPNR politicians ... they kill their citizens and they get off with idle talk.

[Finches]

"This music will last forever if ... you replace the batteries."

[Alexey Sommer]

If you choose between disgrace and war, you get both. Not literally, but to the point.
For 6 years, the Nazis took root in Ukraine, even cockroaches began to respect them.

[Victor_B]

What are the joint inspections with the OSCE?
Observers are leaking the Ukrainian Armed Forces all intelligence information about the locations of the DPR / LPR facilities!

[Daniil Konovalenko]

There are many statements, no actions whatsoever, neither in terms of violent destruction, nor in terms of the work of the OSCE Commission

[Ryaruav]

most likely this is the result of Russia's half-hearted policy towards the republics, without a decision from Moscow they will not undertake anything radical

[Same lech]

this is the result of Russia's half-hearted policy towards the republics, without a decision from Moscow they will not undertake anything radical

The Kremlin is balancing between the strengthening of sanctions from the WEST and support for the LPNR and it wants to and pricks ... this is obvious.
The Kremlin does not want to sever (worsen) relations with the West because of the LPNR ... this is as obvious as God's day.

[Free wind]

No one needs peace in these republics. already everyone has mutual grievances. We want Russia to help us. Don't you want to help yourself? Maybe for a start unite yourself, we do not want this, we are so correct, but they are not correct. How can you resolve issues with someone if there is no agreement among themselves.

[base1]

Hey, smart guy, who do you think gave the go-ahead to stop the offensive? Locals at that time could and wanted to go to the end. Everyone understood that there was no turning back, and no mercy should be expected from the Natsiks.

[aszzz888]

to negotiate with Kiev, by and large, is meaningless, since the Ukrainian side did not comply with the agreements, does not comply and, apparently, not going to comply.

This is not why the Ukronazis lick for ... the boots of the Merikatos and Co. in order to comply with the agreements.

[kamarada]

It is in the Kremlin that enemies have settled, and for a long time. It is because of their mediocre and policy that all this mess is happening. They are the ones who are to blame for the current situation at all borders. It is they who have been playing partners with enemies for many years. It is with them that the great country has been rocked. It is because of their oversight and disregard that Bandera came to power in Ukraine. And it is because of them that there will be a riot in Russia. And he will ...

[Alexey Sommer]

It's five! You are a super

[Ham]

if all the couch warriors took up machine guns and went to fight - the war would have ended long ago!
very cool sitting on the couch with a coffee to write - "pushilin was scared"

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Not quite so. They write that it is not worth making such loud statements, since you cannot confirm them with deeds.

[Revival]

And no one pulled his tongue, so do not try to justify the obvious shame

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ham

if all the couch warriors took up machine guns and went to fight - the war would have ended long ago!

[Kronos]

Was there an ultimatum? Yes, then we must act.

[Mastrer]

Some kind of crap. Well, if you called yourself the main one, then either the steering wheels or lick your asses.

If you absolutely can't live without Moscow, then sit quietly in a corner and don't shine without a command. If it itches in some place, well, ask an intelligent guy who will tell you what is possible and what is not from a political point of view. And so, well, why go into an unfamiliar jungle?

[BAI]

apparently not going to comply.

Ukraine initially did not intend to comply with these agreements, which it has repeatedly stated. She needs them for sanctions against Russia. Those. the process is needed, but the result is not.

[APASUS]

Ukraine has achieved its goal, Pushilin set himself up, you have to think when you speak.

[Egoza]

Quote: APASUS

Pushilin set himself up, you have to think when you speak.

Well, since I said - do it without looking back! then "Ukraine" would have scratched its turnip.

[rotkiv04]

You can also express deep concerns, this is an already tested option

[evgen1221]

That our propaganda did not cheat there, and the policy of the Russian Federation is toothless. They have no will to do anything, they are afraid of everything.

[zwlad]

On the one hand, war is very bad. On the other hand, not keeping your word is also bad.

[Mark kalendarov]

No ultimatums are needed ... Many mines are needed in the direction of advance and exact coordinates for the "Hurricanes" and "Tornadoes".

[Vladimir61]

Pushilin did what was needed, drew attention to the problem that needs to be solved within the framework of the agreements signed by the guarantors! There is a noise around the Noises, let the guarantors think now, since the OSCE mission practically does not fulfill its functions.