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Denmark may revoke construction permit for Nord Stream 2

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Danish Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen considers it necessary to resume the discussion on the completion of the construction of Nord Stream 2. The reason for this is the incident with the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.


This information is reported by the Danish television and radio company DR.

The Prime Minister of this Scandinavian country proposes to discuss the completion of the pipeline again and, possibly, cancel the permit for it:

I have been against Nord Stream 2 throughout the entire time. I believe that we should not become dependent on Russian gas.

The Danish Energy Agency issued a permit to lay the new gas pipeline in Danish territorial waters in July last year. At the moment, very little remains to be completed, but obstacles constantly arise that do not allow doing this.

The launch of the finished Nord Stream 2 will make it possible to annually supply 55 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia directly to Germany on the bottom of the Baltic Sea through it. After the strange incident with Alexei Navalny, politicians from a number of European countries, including Germany, advocated the closure of the project and the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions. The Danish Prime Minister has now joined them.
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  1. Karaul73
    Karaul73 12 September 2020 17: 34 New
    +5
    With the current consumption of gas and SP-1 it will be enough.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 September 2020 17: 44 New
      15
      Well, today consumption has dropped, and tomorrow there will be a shortage of gas on the market. And sp-2 will definitely not be superfluous.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 18: 42 New
        18
        After all, from the very beginning it was clear that everything "will fly into the pipe." You won't be boring sweet. No, they drowned / buried billions that could be invested in the future - defense, healthcare, education, industry and the rest. Can he get it out before the rust has eaten, melt it down and mince medals "for troubadourism" for "half-citizens"? No, it is better to "blow" them there, together with the "idols", irrevocably, "with the ends", so that on their own skin they can feel the fate prepared by the "eaters of Russia" for the Great People.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 12 September 2020 18: 46 New
          +8
          1. Do not run in front of the locomotive. The project is not closed yet.
          2. Even if they can conserve tomorrow, the day after tomorrow can be reopened.
          3. The project was financed by an international consortium. This is far from being just Russian money. Companies in many countries have contributed billions of dollars.
          4. Forgive me, but who are the "half-pots" whom you want to drive into the pipe?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 18: 48 New
            +4
            who are the "half pots"

            PZh "hangers-on" (which cannot be mentioned aloud).
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 12 September 2020 18: 52 New
              0
              And if you mention what will happen?))) Tell me, who and whose "hanger" who will determine?
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 12 September 2020 19: 05 New
                +2
                Ask the "monsieur" from below - like, not burdened with intelligence, are free to "define". See how easy it is with them: a person thinks with his head, and not with his “lower back” - it means “not Russian”.
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 12 September 2020 19: 07 New
                  0
                  And will you find a difference with those who determine whom to send to which pipe, who and whose henchman? Or, "you don't understand, this is different!"?
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 12 September 2020 19: 23 New
                    18
                    What would you like to show your children? New educational institution, hospital, road, enterprise? Or another palace / yacht / tsatzki "sechenomillers" and "pipe", making them gilded? When you realize the difference between a truly national property and a stolen property, all questions will disappear by themselves. But it is not necessary to "fill in" that the "pipe" "works" for the common good, especially the "cut".
                    1. RUnnm
                      RUnnm 12 September 2020 19: 27 New
                      +7
                      Please stop diverging on cheap demagoguery. Look how white and fluffy you are. I just remember that there were party cards in the pockets of everyone who destroyed the USSR. And it was the former top-level party functionaries who brought those who built palaces and yachts to my country.
                      1. krot
                        krot 13 September 2020 15: 45 New
                        +1
                        We need to talk differently with Europe! To begin with, stop the transit through the ruin .. Or not conclude new contracts for the supply through the Sumerians! There will be little profit loss for Gazprom, but this is an investment in the future!
                      2. Artyom Volgin
                        Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 47 New
                        +8
                        Quote: krot
                        We need to talk differently with Europe!

                        Who will speak differently and who will allow to close gas supplies to Europe through Ukraine?
          2. niki233
            niki233 12 September 2020 18: 54 New
            +2
            You should go to your peacemaker and not spoil the air here!
        2. private person
          private person 12 September 2020 22: 17 New
          -10
          Don't run in front of the locomotive. The project is not closed yet.
          ... Even if they can conserve tomorrow, the day after tomorrow it can be reopened.


          So in the news they wrote that there was nothing to fill the SP-2 with. Gazprom made a mistake with the calculations of the explored fields, the wells are dry.
          1. New
            New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 31 New
            -3
            Quote: private person
            there is nothing to fill the SP-2.

            The resource base for the gas pipeline is the Chayandinskoye and Kovyktinskoye fields in Eastern Siberia. They were not developed in Soviet times, like the fields in Western Siberia. After drilling about 50 wells at the Chayandinskoye field, the company was unable to reach the planned production level.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 12 September 2020 23: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: Silvestr
              The resource base for the gas pipeline is the Chayandinskoye and Kovyktinskoye fields in Eastern Siberia.

              Somehow these fields belong to the Power of Siberia, and here is SP-2 ... As for the Power of Siberia, even at the beginning of construction, Rosneft and other independent producers were ready to provide 40 billion cubic meters. and demanded permission from the Ministry of Energy to this pipe ...
              1. New
                New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 56 New
                +4
                Quote: BrTurin
                Somehow these deposits belong to the Power of Siberia

                rightly noticed, only after all we are talking about all pipes. The problem is systemic
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 13 September 2020 00: 08 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  The problem is systemic

                  And not only about pipes ...
                  the rejection of the contracted supplies of American LNG hits not only the producers in the United States, but also the European traders. Those pay fines, which usually amount to the cost of liquefaction ($ 70-100 per thousand cubic meters). Cheniere, which has the largest exporting capacity in the United States, reported that it cut production by 25% in the second quarter and at the same time raised $ 700 million in fines.
                  https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/09/01/gazprom-otkladyvaet-vozvrashchenie-amerikanskogo-spg-v-evropu
                  those who paid these fines are also not happy with the situation ...
                  In early May, Shell sold all of its assets in Appalachia, a shale structure that produces more than a third of US natural gas. On August 27, Norway's Equinor announced a complete halt to drilling in shale structures in North America.
                  https://1prime.ru/energy/20200830/831968614.html
                  They write that Kuwait also has great financial difficulties ...
        3. vVvAD
          vVvAD 13 September 2020 21: 21 New
          +1
          Plus, if the construction is frozen, they will run into draconian fines in international (western) courts. And then the fork comes: to pay huge sums to preserve the "honor of the uniform" or to wriggle out, make a tight-lipped, such as force majeure, etc. etc. and ... sprinkle ashes on your head: the already repeatedly tarnished authority of the "international" courts will collapse completely (remember at least the trial over Serbia, not to mention the farcical verdict against Gazprom and the SSG on MN-17), the creation of alternative courts will be forced within the BRICS, and Europe will lose Russia as a benevolent partner partner finally and irrevocably, and it will be like with Ukraine: money in advance or a clause of the agreement on the settlement of disputes in BRICS arbitration.
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
        10
        Quote: lexus
        No, they drowned / buried billions that could be invested in the future - defense, healthcare, education, industry and the rest

        And there is no need to look for and figure out where Gazprom needs to invest money. The plan for gasification of the country over the past three years has been fulfilled only by 15 percent.
      3. eklmn
        eklmn 12 September 2020 23: 19 New
        0
        "... Can get it before the rust has eaten"
        Great idea, though not new - Venezuela has already begun to do this!
        Bloomberg yesterday:
        “Venezuela's ability to produce some much-needed gasoline and diesel in-house depends on a single oil field. To take advantage of this, Nicolas Maduro's regime is willing to cannibalize the country's crumbling energy infrastructure in order to pay contractors for scrap. As the US is considering further steps to restrict fuel imports into the country, cash-strapped state-owned producer Petroleos de Venezuela SA is offering to pay for the overhaul of pumping stations and compressor stations in Monagas with scrap and parts from idle oil facilities. An informant familiar with the situation told, asking not to be named, because the information is not publicly available. "
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/venezuela-is-plucking-pieces-off-oil-pipelines-to-sell-as-scrap
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 12 September 2020 19: 22 New
      18
      It would be better to stop the withdrawal of natural resources and raw materials from the country altogether.
    3. malyvalv
      malyvalv 12 September 2020 22: 23 New
      +4
      When there is a shortage of gas, then they will finish construction. Or not completed. SP-2 is a joint venture registered in Germany. And there are only 50% of ours. If the partner decided to withdraw from the case, then he decided so. The only correct response would be to expel the Germans from joint ventures in Russia. Business with them will not work for a long time.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 13 September 2020 03: 56 New
        -2

        malyvalv (Valery)
        Yesterday, 22: 23

        +2
        When there is a shortage of gas, then they will finish construction. Or not completed. SP-2 is a joint venture registered in Germany. And there are only 50% of ours. If the partner decided to withdraw from the case, then he decided so. The only correct response would be to expel the Germans from joint ventures in Russia. Business with them will not work for a long time.
        I suppose there is something in this. Nemchura, bowed under the mericatos, will still remember and howl when their benefactors)) laughing they will vparivayut gas at maximum speed. Then they will remember about the SP-2.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 13 September 2020 06: 37 New
          0
          Oh! nemchura)) did not like it! laughing
    4. New
      New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: RUnnm
      Well, today consumption has dropped, and tomorrow there will be a shortage of gas on the market. And sp-2 will definitely not be superfluous.

      exactly?
      Germany reduced fuel imports in July by 43%, and in relation to 2019 - by 2,2 times. For the first time in the history of Germany, it ceased to be the largest client of Gazprom.
      Together with Germany, imports of Russian gas were reduced by all European customers: Austria - by 33% versus June and by 23% versus last year (693 million cubic meters), France - by 31% versus June and three times less than in 2019 (364 million cubic meters). Total exports to Europe amounted to 11,5 billion cubic meters, which is 2 billion less than in June. The decline in annual terms is 20%.
      Russian gas is replaced by gas from Norway and LNG from the USA and Qatar. The share of Gazprom in Europe fell to 27,8% - this is at least 20 years. In 2000, the monopoly occupied 48% of the market!
      For January-August of this year China imported 2,3 billion cubic meters of gas via the Power of Siberia. Under the contract, he must buy 4,25 billion - 5 billion cubic meters. The situation is aggravated by the forthcoming drop in gas prices. The price is tied to the oil basket - fuel oil and gas oil, and changes with a delay of 9 months. In the first half of the year, Gazprom sold gas to China at $ 183-184 per thousand cubic meters, and in July it was already 20% cheaper. In addition, after drilling about 50 wells at the Chayandinskoye field, the company was unable to reach the planned production level.
      1. Alber alber
        Alber alber 13 September 2020 01: 20 New
        +1
        That's why write nonsense, for many years Rossneft has been trying to get it allowed to export pipe gas over the hill according to Gazprom's quotas, but they are not allowed to, so they found where the gas was, if everything is empty, drive through western and eastern Siberia, as they burned along the way, and they burn gas on the Sakhalin shelf, like grandmother's pies for a holiday, as many as two joint ventures plow
    5. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 13 September 2020 22: 01 New
      -1
      All the same, Lech Miller will use the fruits with a group of gentlemen ...
    6. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 45 New
      10
      Quote: RUnnm
      consumption has dropped today, and tomorrow there will be a gas shortage

      Not only depends on this. Consumption in the future depends on such a process as the transition to alternative sources.
  2. figwam
    figwam 12 September 2020 18: 06 New
    +2
    After the strange incident with Alexei Navalny

    If a strange case is investigated, then the West will come out on itself, but it is convenient when Russia is to blame.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 September 2020 18: 22 New
      -3
      I have been against Nord Stream 2 throughout the entire time. I believe that we should not become dependent on Russian gas.

      Hope for the "American shale gas" you bought from us? Wait a minute: Russia will refuse to sell its liquefied gas to the USA - you will wait for gas from the USA until the "carrot plot"! And when Russia builds new gas carriers, then we ourselves will not need SP-2. Then we will remember who shouted "Hell him!" The most.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 September 2020 18: 27 New
        +9
        Six months ago, like the majority, I expressed confidence that SP2 would be completed "anyway" ...
        Now I apologize - I'm not so sure anymore ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 12 September 2020 19: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Six months ago, like the majority, I expressed confidence that SP2 would be completed "anyway" ...
          Now I apologize - I'm not so sure anymore ...

          Yes, fullness to you. How easy it was that some kind of dummy from Denmark could disappoint you! There were a couple of options for laying the pipe - through the territorial waters of Denmark and bypassing, but bypassing a little longer, i.e. with standard daily pipe laying, it can increase the construction time from 15 to 30 days, which is not critical. Another issue is that for the second option, time is needed to agree on changes in the project documentation with the settlement of financial issues. Gas will go a little to the side, and Denmark will suck its paw instead of money for transit. These "whims" of Denmark, such as "neither yes" - "no," are aimed at deliberately creating obstacles that slow down the laying of the SP-2. When the necessary approvals are almost completed, then Denmark will again nod its mane, like - and we again do not mind. It was necessary to bypass them at once, since the economic damage from these "whims" would exceed the "savings" that they hoped to get by laying a pipe along the shortest path through the territorial waters of Denmark.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 12 September 2020 19: 41 New
            +9
            But notice how the number of obstacle options has increased!
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 12 September 2020 20: 05 New
              0
              Once again, who was this clever person who allowed to take out of Russia both the object of the scandal and the main suspect? OH, I forgot - this is a multi-move of such an "infallible", "great grandmaster in the international political arena", another HPP that will add to Russia's authority in the world, show the adversaries its strength and power, and so on and so forth ...
      2. Postum
        Postum 12 September 2020 19: 58 New
        +3
        Where do such "malicious geniuses" come from, maybe you are at the Foreign Ministry? Europe calmly and without our pipe and without American shale gas, you can buy a lot of liquefied gas from anyone
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 12 September 2020 22: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Wait a minute: Russia will refuse to sell its liquefied gas to the USA

        Interesting! How much gas was sold?
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Hope for the "American shale gas" you bought from us?
        Do the Americans resell our LNG?
        1. sledak
          sledak 12 September 2020 22: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: WIKI
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Hope for the "American shale gas" you bought from us?
          Do the Americans resell our LNG?

          Have you read about this, even here? Well, yes, it's all from the series: "and the dead stand with braids" ... nonsense
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 12 September 2020 23: 57 New
            +2
            I read it here. And what would be in the press, I do not know such facts. Can you share?
          2. WIKI
            WIKI 13 September 2020 16: 14 New
            +1
            "and the dead stand with braids" ... nonsense, you get it. Where are the facts?
            1. sledak
              sledak 13 September 2020 19: 40 New
              +1
              And you, not only lazy, as you correctly noted here, but also stuck.

              In google, the second link from the top: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2643631.html
              US sells "undemocratic" Russian gas to the EU

              There are many, so for the laziest I quote extracts:
              "At the same time, both the British and German leadership cannot but know the fact hidden from the general European public: American gas for Europe is not American. In 2018, the United States began to buy gas from Russia itself... And Britain has become a transit point for the supply of Russian gas to the United States. In January 2018, the first French tanker Gaselys with Russian liquefied natural gas with a volume of 100 million cubic meters stood for unloading in the American port of Boston. This fuel was produced at the end of 2017 at the plant of the Russian company Novatek as part of the Yamal LNG project. Then it was acquired by the Malaysian company Petronas and transported to England on the Christophe de Margerie tanker. The French concern Engie bought LNG from the Malaysians to ship it across the Atlantic to the United States. ... But this is not the only factor in Russia's icy calm over the US sanctions. There, in contrast to the “free European press,” the open press presents it as a routine fact that, under anti-Russian rhetoric, the United States is killing the European economy with Russian gas sold under the guise of American gas with a corresponding speculative margin.

              Tankers from the United States supply liquefied gas to the Belgian port of Antwerp, which they buy from Russia at the Ust-Luga terminal in the Leningrad region, passing it off as American. This is evidenced by the results of the investigation published back in 2017 by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

              So I answered for my "nonsense".
              My memory can still let me down, but, in my opinion, it was the same in analytical programs on TV, but there is neither desire nor time to look for video, from you, lazy person, and this will become.

              I see no point in discussing with you further, and there is no desire either, thank you.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 13 September 2020 20: 05 New
                +1
                In order to pass off the goods as American, it was necessary to import it into the United States, while completing all customs documents and paying taxes. And for this, in your opinion, the tankers rolled gas back and forth. Stupidity. In this case, a trader (read a speculator), having a place of registration in the United States, simply bought gas in one place and sold in another. The trader in this case acts as the owner of the goods. Russia remains the owner. Learn economics. I see no point in discussing with you further, and there is no desire either, thank you.
                1. sledak
                  sledak 13 September 2020 21: 46 New
                  0
                  Hmm ... trader, owner of goods ... what does the economy have to do with it?
                  No, these concepts are certainly closely related to the economy, but all the same, these terms define the type of activity of an economic entity (trader) and the person's attitude to property (owner).
                  As far as I am, a mediocrity in economics, I understand that a trader trades contracts - futures and / or options (for you, a motherfucking economist, it’s probably very funny, but I even know what is the difference between one and the other) with their derivatives for gas on commodity exchanges and for direct They (traders) have no relationship with LNG transportation.

                  I decided to answer so that it would be clear how rubbish what you write ... but I teach economics, though unfortunately not at a university and I'm not ashamed of it, but you seem to be completely out of topic, from a word at all.

                  I read your opuses, there are a lot of substitutions of concepts, at first I thought you were doing this on purpose, then I see no, I was mistaken, and these bots of yours write about whom and what to learn above, and they write more competently.

                  Themselves do not understand the essence and do not want, you face the facts, but for you it is God's dew.
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 13 September 2020 22: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: sledak
                    and they (traders) certainly have no relation to the direct transportation of LNG.

                    For example. Forbes named the largest buyers of Russian oil.
                    The first in the rating was the Swiss oil trader Litasco, owned by LUKOIL (the largest trading division of the company). https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5715f0459a7947c5559ed69b I hope you understand how the product moves around the market.
                  2. WIKI
                    WIKI 14 September 2020 07: 45 New
                    +2
                    This is proof that traders are trading physical, not paper, oil.
                    https://neftrossii.ru/content/lukoyl-pervym-postavil-arkticheskuyu-neft-v-kitay-po-sevmorputi
                    http://www.oilru.com/news/425485/
        2. Alber alber
          Alber alber 13 September 2020 01: 23 New
          0
          And they buy oil for themselves, too, this is a miracle of wonderful discoveries for you. And he shares what the laziest person, without falling into demagogy and freebie about the media, can open for himself in Google, somehow from the world of handouts to the poor, a la Panikovsky
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 13 September 2020 08: 27 New
            +2
            I don't need to read morality. Of course you cannot give a link, because it is only in your head.
            1. Alber alber
              Alber alber 13 September 2020 20: 50 New
              0
              Give, do I really owe you? And I usually serve the poor or the poor. You, dear, do not demagoguery, do not petty rudeness, I can also do this, but simply out of laziness, because you are too lazy to read and search, take the annual report of Novatek and the Ministry of Energy for the last year, it is clearly written there that tankers delivered oil to the territory of the United States to 7lyard, about which the Fritzes were very indignant, in conjunction with sp2
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 13 September 2020 21: 02 New
                +1
                You are our talker. The question was: "Do the Americans resell our LNG?" What does oil have to do with it. The poor and the poor are unlikely to be served like you are boorish.
                1. Alber alber
                  Alber alber 13 September 2020 21: 05 New
                  0
                  With the same to do with gas, you are a lazy citizen. Resell. Those who are probably definitely not worth serving, you will be too lazy to pick up
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 13 September 2020 21: 08 New
                    +1
                    And again yours does not dance. Read my answer above to the same stoned as you.
                    1. Alber alber
                      Alber alber 13 September 2020 21: 13 New
                      -1
                      For the same stubborn person like you, freedom of religion is spelled out in our basic law, you can and have the right to believe in anything, this is your belief not in my line. If you are lazy and do not bring proofs yourself, you demand them to bring someone else, then there is another generally accepted designation for you, then I will not disturb you in your lazy little world.
                    2. WIKI
                      WIKI 13 September 2020 21: 22 New
                      +2
                      What a messy way of expressing your thoughts. "It is not at all a sign of soullessness - silence. Only that which is empty inside thunders." - William Shakespeare
                    3. Alber alber
                      Alber alber 14 September 2020 21: 01 New
                      0
                      "It is not at all a sign of soullessness - silence. Only that which is empty inside thunders." - William Shakespeare.
  3. New
    New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 39 New
    +7
    Quote: SRC P-15
    will wait for gas from the USA

    how so! Where will Qatar, Norway and the United States go?
    Poland, whose total gas consumption is 19 billion cubic meters, has increased LNG supplies from Qatar, the United States and Norway by 58%, to 2,7 billion cubic meters. From 2022 to 2023, the Polish state-owned company PGNiG expects to buy large volumes of liquefied natural gas from the United States.
    Turkey: reduced the volume of natural gas supplies from Russia by 36% (to 7,99 bcm), while LNG supplies to Turkey increased by 14%, to 7,14 bcm. To Turkey. the market remains Algeria and Qatar. LNG imports from the United States grew by 363%, with 884 million cubic meters coming to the Turkish market in the first half of the year. Turkey has become the second (after Spain) largest importer of American liquefied natural gas to Europe.
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 12 September 2020 21: 23 New
    16
    Every time you read this topic, the question arises: how can such a gas pipeline be built from Russia to Germany (in the EU) without reinforced concrete guarantees for laying, connecting and buying at least a minimum. Even during the "cold win" Western Europe did not slip such a g *** for the USSR. Multi-billion dollar losses, loss of image, blackmail of the Russian Federation with or without reason, and efficient managers are at the helm and receive donations. I don’t want to indulge in fantasies, but maybe it’s not without reason that their money, relatives and dreams have long been abroad, and not in Germany, but much further.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 13 September 2020 11: 06 New
      +3
      I agree with you - the betrayal of Russia is carried out at the very top of our power.
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 13 September 2020 13: 26 New
        +2
        I wish I could be wrong, but facts are stubborn things. They cannot be replaced with proclamations, banners, hours of speeches and meetings with the people.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 September 2020 14: 44 New
    0
    And if there is no SP-2, then why do we need this country?
  • Terenin
    Terenin 12 September 2020 17: 35 New
    14
    Denmark may revoke construction permit for Nord Stream 2

    No no , who would have thought ... it doesn't look like Denmark what
    That's good for me. Whether you like it or not, the domestic demand for hydrocarbons will have to be developed.
    1. Azis
      Azis 12 September 2020 21: 01 New
      -3
      Quote: Terenin
      That's good for me. Whether you like it or not, the domestic demand for hydrocarbons will have to be developed.
      Do you work for Gazprom-Mezhregiongaz by any chance? Prices on the domestic market will have to compensate for the unprofitable export of Gazprom
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 12 September 2020 22: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: Azis
        Do you work for Gazprom-Mezhregiongaz by any chance?
        No, buddy, my dreams ... have all come true long ago winked

        Quote: Azis
        Prices on the domestic market will have to compensate for the unprofitable export of Gazprom
        Of course, he will try to act like any commercial company, focused on maximizing profits and will seek to reduce costs or start "milking" his own country.
        But Gazprom is no longer a monopoly on the domestic market. no .
        In parallel, Rosneft and NOVATEK have been operating for 6-7 years. Moreover, if Gazprom is obliged to sell gas strictly at FAS tariffs, then its competitors have the right to give a discount. Therefore, large industrial gas consumers are gradually switching over to them.
        Thus, its market share will decline. So it’s not a fact that tariff growth is beneficial to him.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 September 2020 17: 36 New
    17
    The whole circus with Navalny was started for that. All questions to Germany - if they want to continue to play a secondary role in European politics and miss the chance to embark on the path of real independence - will close the project. And they will miss an incredible chance for economic stability. They will not be scared - everything will be fine. And personally, I would not want to see Navalny in Russia again.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 12 September 2020 17: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: RUnnm
      All questions to Germany - if they want to continue to play a secondary role in European politics and miss the chance to embark on the path of real independence - will close the project. And they will miss an incredible chance for economic stability.

      Something resembles the situation with Bulgaria, with its joyful cry "no pipe!". And then I felt sad winked
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 12 September 2020 18: 21 New
        16
        And, then I felt sad


        Even so? For me, as a Bulgarian end consumer, this year the heating prices were lowered 3 times and the money was returned to the bank account. It turned out mom, don't worry, straight ...
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 12 September 2020 19: 09 New
          11
          "Even so?"
          It's not at all the price for your heating, but the status of the transit country, i.e. in fees for spending, workplaces, etc., which Bulgaria profited by refusing to implement South Stream at one time.
          Will Germany bend over with such provocations?
          Time will tell. The Americans at one time successfully fucked Volkswagen, fined Deutsche Bank, etc. Yes, and the gold reserve of Germany is kept in the USA.
          The Germans have the prospect of becoming a pan-European gas hub. Refusal means colossal losses and, besides, everyone understands that Navalny is just an excuse that Germany is only a vassal.
          But Denmark cannot just revoke the permit. The UN convention does not order. Yes, and claims against governments can be filed not small.
          We have a lesson. Don't count on economic integration with the West. They can always restrict our exports for political reasons. Restrict their imports (however, a decrease in gas purchases reduces imports from Germany, for example, better than any counter-sanctions).
          Reliance on domestic consumption and cooperation with emerging economic forces in Asia.
        2. RUnnm
          RUnnm 12 September 2020 19: 34 New
          +2
          AND? Do you draw any conclusions from one short time period? Or is there a desire to say that the country would be worse off if it became a gas hub?
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 12 September 2020 20: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          For me, as a Bulgarian end consumer, this year the heating prices were lowered 3 times and the money was returned to the bank account.

          Well, then the country's budget was sad ... twice winked
        4. New
          New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          For me, as a Bulgarian end consumer, this year the heating prices were lowered 3 times and the money was returned to the bank account.

          it is not good to deceive! you can't see, it seemed to you.
          Quote: Terenin
          Something resembles the situation with Bulgaria, with its joyful cry "no pipe!". And then I felt sad
        5. Alber alber
          Alber alber 13 September 2020 01: 30 New
          +3
          Yes to you, but our friends in the Varna region bought land plots, in the places where the pipe will run, they wanted to make money, it didn't work out, well, your prime minister was begging for something, and now he is riveting the pipe, and this is not to mention the economy of poor bulgaria
    2. Guards turn
      Guards turn 12 September 2020 18: 09 New
      0
      It is unlikely that anyone will see him (bulk) at all.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 12 September 2020 19: 31 New
        -9
        Berezovsky's scarf shines on Navalny.
      2. Clear
        Clear 12 September 2020 20: 33 New
        -9
        Quote: Guards turn
        It is unlikely that anyone will see him (bulk) at all.

        Yes, Andrey, sorry. Oh, I really want to catch him and ... tame him crying
        1. Guards turn
          Guards turn 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
          -1
          Where all this was started, they quickly realized that Russian doctors would be able to pull him out and he would speak, so they hurriedly sent a plane and evacuated.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 13 September 2020 11: 12 New
            0
            Stop making up fables. Navalny was evacuated to Germany because Merkel and Macron personally demanded this from Putin. I understand that Putin is your idol and you are offended that someone can force and force him.
            1. Guards turn
              Guards turn 13 September 2020 13: 24 New
              0
              Putin is the Great Master of the World, God of the Ukrainians.
          2. Igor Semenov
            Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 00 New
            +1
            The request for the arrival of the ambulance in Moscow was received at 14:00 on August 20. "Good" was given on the same day at 17:00. So someone really wanted to get rid of the patient as soon as possible.
            1. Guards turn
              Guards turn 14 September 2020 10: 08 New
              0
              IN THESE CIRCLES, IT IS ACCEPTED TO RESPOND FOR BABLO, ASHURKOV WILL HAVE TO BEATHED BY LESHIK, SERIOUS PEOPLE WILL STOP RESPECTING, THE GIRL DIDN'T CALCULATE THE POSSIBILITY OF AN EMERGENCY LANDING IN OMSK, OR THE DADDY WAS INCORRECTED.

              The identity of the mysterious companion of opposition politician Alexei Navalny has been declassified. It is reported that a friend of the oligarchs could become a possible "poisoner".

              The mysterious companion of opposition politician Alexei Navalny, who accompanied him on his fateful trip to Tomsk, Maria Pevchikh, has been working for the Anti-Corruption Political Fund since 2011. However, she never spoke in public, unlike other investigators.

              "The entire department consists of only three employees. In addition to the Singers, there are Georgiy Alburov, who" launches drones and regularly appears in Navalny's videos, "and Nikita Kulachenkov, who lives abroad and deals with documents, databases and extracts from the registers. question: why are Alburov and Kulachenkov listed among the FBK employees on the official website of the foundation, while the Singers have not received such a mention? " Although formally she is the head of the department.

              Recall that Maria Pevchikh arrived in Russia from London to accompany Alexei Navalny on his trip to Tomsk. However, the woman for some reason did not fly to Moscow on the same plane as the oppositionist. But she did not leave Navalny's wife in Omsk, and then, together with the oppositionist, flew away on a German plane under the guise of a translator.

              Ashurkov Vladimir, British citizen lives in London. FBK finances the project. After his ward Navalny successfully merges the project, serious tensions arise between these two gentlemen of the liberal kind and Russophobes.

              Ashurkov sends from London a certain Masha Pevchikh, a British citizen, who travels to Russia and accompanies Navalny on a tour of Western Siberia. Also, she is on a Bundeswehr plane that transports Navalny from Omsk to Germany. And then this lady knocks from Germany to London, and does not want to testify to the police. It turns out that Masha Pevchikh works in the field of biotechnology and is associated with the Skinport startup, which has developed microneedles for painless injections.
              The father of the likely poisoner of Navalny, Maria Pevchikh, turned out to be the head of the biolaboratory. Accordingly, Mary also has access to chemicals and viruses.
              Also, there were practically no photos of Maria Singers on the Web, which is extremely strange at present and leads to certain suspicions.
        2. sledak
          sledak 12 September 2020 23: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Guards turn
          It is unlikely that anyone will see him (bulk) at all.

          Yes, Andrey, sorry. Oh, I really want to catch him and ... tame him crying


          Dear Yasnaya, yes you are ... that, this ... have found someone to tame ... you understand! :-)))
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 12 September 2020 19: 29 New
      0
      I don't think he will appear here. It will dissolve somewhere in Europe, at best, if it still remains alive.
      1. sledak
        sledak 12 September 2020 21: 33 New
        -4
        Quote: 4ekist
        I don't think he will appear here. It will dissolve somewhere in Europe, at best, if it still remains alive.


        Not a fact (without, unfortunately, t). Khodorkovsky needed a fresh liberation there, no way for the government in exile ... the khodor stinks somewhere out there ... so the defeated did not accidentally extradite the bulk to themselves (no way the spawn in the Second World War does not give rest).
        With stream 2, I don't know how it will be either, about "love".
        But the famous "Belarusian double-ass" (you understand that this catch phrase is not about brothers-Belarusians) confused us a lot - the whole Baltic riffraff with the Polish hyena has lifted their spirits, they spoil their people with mutivod.
    4. A.K.
      A.K. 12 September 2020 19: 35 New
      +2
      Yes, I completely agree for Germany, it's just an hour X will go their own way and mind, or as always. And what about us, as if we only need it? The European economy with a more expensive energy carrier is not so capable of a competitor, and even the crown of the economy has already collapsed. So that ........................
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 13 September 2020 11: 14 New
        +2
        For their own, the Russian economy would be chewed.
        And then you are here in full worries about the German, Ukrainian, Belarusian, etc. economy.
        There is a good proverb: "We don't notice a log in our own eye, but we noticed a straw in someone else's."
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 12 September 2020 17: 41 New
    +2
    I have been against Nord Stream 2 throughout the entire time. I believe that we should not become dependent on Russian gas.

    Mette Fredriksen - presses on the sore corn of Merkel's grandmother - "begging" for preferences in gas distribution.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 12 September 2020 17: 43 New
    16
    The Danes are masters of their word, they gave it, and they took it back. But I don't know how Navalny got caught on the gas pipeline. Sounds like a dumb excuse. On the other hand, the failure of the project can only rejoice, because the sale of irreplaceable natural resources is a betrayal of future generations. In order to get drunk from the belly now, and not to everyone, but only to a handful of oligarchs, we doom our descendants to poverty.
    1. Stena
      Stena 12 September 2020 17: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Michael m
      The Danes are masters of their word, they gave it, they also took it back

      How is Thor Heerdahl?
      "Heer gave - heer took"? S (DLSH). wink
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 12 September 2020 22: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Michael m
      The Danes are masters of their word, they gave it, and they took it back.

      It is possible to pick it up, but then losses are possible, they were already hinted earlier - "Nord Stream 2 AG has hinted that investments have already been made and delays in laying due to the coordination of the pipeline route may result in losses that will have to be compensated sooner or later" ... permission was issued (although there were Skripals and ...) ... investments have been made and substitute yourself for your beloved by revoking the permission ... that's why Mette Fredriksen is looking for whom it will be possible to "turn the arrows"
      The Prime Minister of this Scandinavian country proposes to discuss the completion of the pipeline again
      if the EU decides then ...
  • Curt
    Curt 12 September 2020 17: 53 New
    +3
    maybe not cancel
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 12 September 2020 18: 07 New
    -3
    As long as foreign investors dominate our economy, they will "wipe their feet" about us ... Politicians are the mongrels of wealthy owners, so you shouldn't pay much attention to them.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 12 September 2020 18: 50 New
      +5
      As if rich Ivan instead of rich John would be better off.
    2. Revival
      Revival 12 September 2020 20: 05 New
      +2
      Oh, look, there is an article for insulting the authorities, be careful!
    3. sledak
      sledak 12 September 2020 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      As long as foreign investors dominate our economy, they will "wipe their feet" about us ... Politicians are the mongrels of wealthy owners, so you shouldn't pay much attention to them.

      Unfortunately, dear, the word "boss" in our economy is not true, they do not manage, but they take an active part - the global capital market exists and Russia LIVES in it and will LIVE, the main thing is that according to its own rules. And for global capital, only profit is important ...
      Here is only one thing you are right, the legs of glaubal capital are in the cement basin of the world's largest = American investment companies.
      Feel free to take the top 10 from any rating - their donkey ears in the form of investments of world candy wrappers with portraits of the dead in many spheres of the economy of our startups and invest. And we cannot do without such investments, for now.
      By the way, this is not as scary for us as the bureaucratic capital and their children are held hostage by them. This topic does much more economic harm to Russia.
  • HAM
    HAM 12 September 2020 18: 07 New
    -1
    Soon everything will come to light: why was Navalny "poisoned" by "Novichok" ?? - because the "brand" "Novichok" has already been promoted by the British ...
    Why exactly was they poisoned ?? - because (it was the British who used the accusation method successfully, imagination is no longer enough) .... then polonium, then "Novice" ... envy, elementary envy of the Britons ..
    Who poisoned it ?? This will be revealed soon ... I won't be surprised if it's 007 ...
    1. Revival
      Revival 12 September 2020 20: 06 New
      +3
      Didn't poison it, or you are against the official version, it was said that diet, moonshine
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 13 September 2020 11: 21 New
        +1
        I remember, remember, our liars instantly, literally the next day, diagnosed - metabolic disorders due to abuse of moonshine and coffee, as well as drugs dragged to the heap.
        Although the ambulance doctor clearly said - poisoning.
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 16 New
          +1
          And judging by the fact that it was atropine that he had introduced, I even understood why. Yeah ... give this Dr. Lesha to drink until his death.
      2. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 14 New
        +1
        Bathing has affected. Swimming in unfamiliar, unfamiliar water can seriously undermine any organism.
  • bukhach
    bukhach 12 September 2020 18: 07 New
    0
    Navalny gave them a good excuse, maybe the Fritzes trawled him so that they had a reason to jump off the SP-2 and not make Uncle Sam angry, otherwise, without a good reason, all their cowardice will come out for show, and so they will save their face even if money cannot be saved, they will have to expensive pokup.Hot and puffed up, swagger and gave them to the USA.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 18: 23 New
    0
    I have a suspicion that due to the forthcoming redivision of the world, the rupture of transparent global logistics, there will be no more pipes. The risks are too great. Steamer or railway composition - yes, please make 100% prepayment and get it. Tomorrow's deliveries? Come and discuss it tomorrow. The game "we want gas at the market price at the moment on the stock exchange" can (and should!) Be played together.

    Further, why sell gas in bulk at a low price through a pipe when you can retail at a high price? And finally, vague transit countries are automatically removed, reducing costs and removing a lot of geopolitical risks.

    The EU thinks that with its third energy package and other sanctions it is bending over Russia, but in reality it is digging an energy grave for itself, however, the wind, sun, dung, cow cakes and fart gas will cope. It is not Russia who is on the oil and gas needle, but the EU. What we are now seeing. laughingIn secret. Pipeline tanks are already being built.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 12 September 2020 18: 51 New
      +2
      It was not us who wiped our feet, but we outplayed everyone!
    2. sledak
      sledak 12 September 2020 22: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      laughingIn secret. Pipeline tanks are already being built.

      You here do not disclose the state secret, conductives from the IDF intelligence will begin to publicly torture you about the appearance and characteristics of this ultra-modern development yes
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 18: 31 New
    -2
    Denmark may revoke construction permit for Nord Stream 2

    ... and when the whole flock flew south to winter for the winter, one small but proud bird said ...

    Who is there closer to the "top", start telling why one "European superpower" once again poses a "regional gas station"? It had to come to such a state that wood lice, which will be covered with a wave and EVERYTHING !!! begins to puff up and dictate the conditions of Russia ...
    Well ... Those Gazprom shareholders who will not be able to provide the laying, those hundreds of structures tied to the project will receive their profit from the taxes of ordinary citizens of Russia, and members of the board of directors will receive millions of bonuses, as was the case at the beginning of 2020 .. .Do not leave them without a piece of bread ...
    Or, perhaps, disperse these departments, which cannot do a damn thing in the current international situation? Or caulk and put the SP-2 pipe on the bottom, until better times?
    Clownery ... Tell me, where to rejoice, whom to thank for our "happy"?
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 12 September 2020 19: 46 New
      +2
      whom to thank for our "happy"?
      and if you "reset" again ?!
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 19: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Who is there closer to the "top", start telling why

      It’s a strange state, as if I’m talking to the deaf and dumb ... With “whisperers-minusers” ...
      Straight after Gogol:
      Russia, where are you rushing? Give an answer. Doesn't give an answer. The bell is filled with a wonderful ringing; air ripped into pieces thunders and becomes the wind; everything that is on the earth flies past, and, looking sideways, sideways and give her way to other peoples and states ...

      We will not answer because we consider this occupation beneath our dignity, or because the arguments are over? So we, by and large, will not wait for answers from your idol either. Everything ahem, ahem, lingo jargon and jokes.
      I repeat:
      "How long will small Denmark dictate its will to Russia?"
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 12 September 2020 21: 03 New
        -1
        "Whisperer minusatlry" laughing
        That's right!
        They, you see, are indignant, they say, Denmark and ask "they crushed the makryna, they say, the bad leaders in Russia and Gazprom ... they know and do not want to know.There is such a category, only to stink unsubstantiated and from this to assert oneself on the couch.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 18: 42 New
    +6
    People are fixated on the sea area and forget that the whole "Stream" is three parts.

    1. From Yamal to Vyborg - already working. Gas supply to the Russian province increased along the pipe. A gas chemical plant and a gas liquefaction plant were built and received raw materials. Judging by the fact that the construction of the second with a capacity of 45 billion m3 has begun, Russia is really preparing for the fact that JV2 will not be launched, and the gas intended for it will be liquefied. Again, with the completion of the second stream and the limitation in the third energy package, at 50% load, the second half will have to be liquefied

    2. The offshore section is questionable, but not only Gazprom's money is there.

    3. Continuation of the flow through the territory of Germany, Czech Republic and Austria. It was built, except for the Chekhovs, but they are also completing it. The money has been invested, not ours, but there is no gas. Now it is loaded by half with gas from SP1, reducing the flow through OPAL, in the worst case, the German gas pipelines will work at half the load.

    Conclusion: It is the Europeans who need to be smart and butt with their bureaucracy to save their own investments. They are not overwhelmed with Gazprom. We liked it with France and Bulgaria. Here too - the Germans will violate the contract, ours will take the loot from them with fines and forfeits, and then they will complete the construction for an additional payment. Profit)
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 September 2020 19: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      People are fixated on the sea area and forget that the whole "Stream" is three parts.
      Explanatory post! Thank you colleague! good
    2. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 20: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      People are fixated on the sea area and forget that the whole "Stream" is three parts.

      1. From Yamal to Vyborg - already working. Gas supply to the Russian province increased along the pipe. A gas chemical plant and a gas liquefaction plant were built and received raw materials. Judging by the fact that the construction of the second with a capacity of 45 billion m3 has begun, Russia is really preparing for the fact that JV2 will not be launched, and the gas intended for it will be liquefied. Again, with the completion of the second stream and the limitation in the third energy package, at 50% load, the second half will have to be liquefied

      2. The offshore section is questionable, but not only Gazprom's money is there.

      3. Continuation of the flow through the territory of Germany, Czech Republic and Austria. It was built, except for the Chekhovs, but they are also completing it. The money has been invested, not ours, but there is no gas. Now it is loaded by half with gas from SP1, reducing the flow through OPAL, in the worst case, the German gas pipelines will work at half the load.

      Conclusion: It is the Europeans who need to be smart and butt with their bureaucracy to save their own investments. They are not overwhelmed with Gazprom. We liked it with France and Bulgaria. Here too - the Germans will violate the contract, ours will take the loot from them with fines and forfeits, and then they will complete the construction for an additional payment. Profit)

      Or maybe the problem of point two, to remove the partial dismantling of old and worn-out pipes by Gazprom for gas transit through Ukraine? winked
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 21: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      People are fixated on the sea area and forget that the whole "Stream" is three parts.

      Really... wassat Obsessed people ... Why do we need three sources, three components Marxism "SP-2", when in the absence of the whole gas transit is impossible?
      Who is there to butt? Germany? In today's pandemic, it has enough gas from SP-1, but it will need to - it will be supplied to the terminals in the form of LNG. The rest of the European countries are members of the US-financed NATO bloc (mostly) and are very happy that no one will demand them.
      Ours have already removed the money for the Mistral. How did this help the development of our fleet? Believe me, the unfinished "SP-2" is not the lightest burden, not the most convenient clamp. As for fines and penalties, you ask Miller why he subsidized Naftogaz. You will take from the EU both fines and penalties.
      Aha! Slice the bacon from grandfather's "scratched" ... wassat
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 12 September 2020 18: 46 New
    +2
    Uh-huh. And the Germans will tell them a big and tasty "thank you".
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 18: 48 New
    -1
    Well, the consumer does not want to go through the pipe that you have moored, he wants LNG. expensive and rich The client is always right laughing
    1. New
      New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 51 New
      +8
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Well, the consumer does not want to go through the pipe that you have moored, he wants LNG. expensive and rich The client is always pr

      the customer is so stupid that he buys himself more expensive? laughing Would you like to compare prices for pipe and LNG?
      At Europe's largest gas hub, the cost of LNG with immediate delivery has plummeted 57% in a year and barely exceeds $ 110-120 per thousand cubic meters m. The official forecast of the US Department of Energy assumes that in 2020 the export of LNG will double, Qatar in November announced plans to increase its liquefaction capacity by 1,5 times. And under such conditions in Europe, the gas price may fall to $ 90 per thousand cubic meters m.
      The average cost of pipeline gas from Gazprom in the European Union in the third quarter of 2019 was $ 169,8.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 13 September 2020 00: 46 New
        +2
        Gennady is simply a peremogy - such Putin's plan is always a victory for Russia.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 September 2020 18: 50 New
    0
    I think they will close the pipe. They really want to, and they are not ceremonious in their methods. Maybe ours, under the pretext of not shown samples of a fool, and until we receive all the answers that suit us, raise prices and cancel discounts? Balls of course, but their balls do what they want to come true with us.
  • Nestor
    Nestor 12 September 2020 18: 56 New
    +2
    Frau Merkel said that in light of recent events, Germany does not have the right to independently decide the fate of SP-2, therefore the issue will be resolved at the European level.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 19: 01 New
    -1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Denmark may revoke construction permit for Nord Stream 2

    ... and when the whole flock flew south to winter for the winter, one small but proud bird said ...

    Who is there closer to the "top", start telling why one "European superpower" once again poses a "regional gas station"? It had to come to such a state that wood lice, which will be covered with a wave and EVERYTHING !!! begins to puff up and dictate the conditions of Russia ...
    Well ... Those Gazprom shareholders who will not be able to provide the laying, those hundreds of structures tied to the project will receive their profit from the taxes of ordinary citizens of Russia, and members of the board of directors will receive millions of bonuses, as was the case at the beginning of 2020 .. .Do not leave them without a piece of bread ...
    Or, perhaps, disperse these departments, which cannot do a damn thing in the current international situation? Or caulk and put the SP-2 pipe on the bottom, until better times?
    Clownery ... Tell me, where to rejoice, whom to thank for our "happy"?

    The money was not ours, the business was financed by "the whole world", ours only received salaries, so we don't bother, let them figure out who is when bankrupt.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 September 2020 19: 16 New
    +1
    Malasy minke! also those who played along with them !!! Play YOUR game clearly!
    You don't have to buzz about gas and so on! But about THOSE who played along with those co / Z / lamas, I REALLY WANT to know !!!
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, won't you show you those who prompted and whispered such an "amazing" idea to you, humanely ??? Well, I really want to know who is on the TOP with you / us, such a "humanist" !!!
    And the same is the same, now it will break to power with its "humanistic" slogans !!! And he will be HELPED, apparently!
    PS and ours, with proof they will send, once again, and even sarcastically, they will advise to shove something somewhere .... ts. practice in advance! Maybe in some places, they will not mind, but me, and many other normals, this prospect does not inspire.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 September 2020 19: 25 New
    +3
    There are many factors, apparently. Australia has increased the production of liquefied gas. Having come to the second place in the world, Algeria and Qatar increased production, America is far from being in the first roles, liquefied gas is not much more expensive than pipeline gas and the price is decreasing, they are looking for the use of secondary resources, and they will come to something. In a year, Merkel is likely to leave, who will be unknown. They may also prohibit laying. European firms will receive reimbursement of deposits at the expense of insurance. The guarantor of Gazprom is the state, that is, we. Insurance companies will want to return insurance payments and will refund, at the expense of the guilty ..........
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  • businessv
    businessv 12 September 2020 19: 46 New
    0
    The Danish Prime Minister has now joined them.
    So that no one joins anything, it is necessary to redouble efforts to complete the SP-2 in order to quickly and completely close the issue!
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 12 September 2020 19: 48 New
    -2
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Six months ago, like the majority, I expressed confidence that SP2 would be completed "anyway" ...
    Now I apologize - I'm not so sure anymore ...

    Yes, fullness to you. How easy it was that some kind of dummy from Denmark could disappoint you! There were a couple of options for laying the pipe - through the territorial waters of Denmark and bypassing, but bypassing a little longer, i.e. with standard daily pipe laying, it can increase the construction time from 15 to 30 days, which is not critical. Another issue is that for the second option, time is needed to agree on changes in the project documentation with the settlement of financial issues. Gas will go a little to the side, and Denmark will suck its paw instead of money for transit. These "whims" of Denmark, such as "neither yes" - "no," are aimed at deliberately creating obstacles that slow down the laying of the SP-2. When the necessary approvals are almost completed, then Denmark will again nod its mane, like - and we again do not mind. It was necessary to bypass them at once, since the economic damage from these "whims" would exceed the "savings" that they hoped to get by laying a pipe along the shortest path through the territorial waters of Denmark.

    I will say this, bypassing also needs permission from Denmark. And yet, has permission been received long ago, even though the meter was laid? We could have finished already, we have no technology, we cannot build.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 12 September 2020 23: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: imobile2008
      we have no technology, we cannot build

      Everything is or will be in the near future. My neighbor found out from an acquaintance of a high-ranking crew member of one of the pipelayers that an active re-equipment is underway. And here I am for you - in confidence ...
      1. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 52 New
        +2
        Caustic you, colleague laughing
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 14 September 2020 18: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Igor Semenov
          Caustic you, colleague

          Hello! hi I reread my comment: hmm ... what really sounds like sarcasm. But you will not believe: every word is true! Ugh, damn it ... Again some kind of pun ... request
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 12 September 2020 19: 51 New
    -8
    Quote: rocket757
    Malasy minke! also those who played along with them !!! Play YOUR game clearly!
    You don't have to buzz about gas and so on! But about THOSE who played along with those co / Z / lamas, I REALLY WANT to know !!!
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, won't you show you those who prompted and whispered such an "amazing" idea to you, humanely ??? Well, I really want to know who is on the TOP with you / us, such a "humanist" !!!
    And the same is the same, now it will break to power with its "humanistic" slogans !!! And he will be HELPED, apparently!
    PS and ours, with proof they will send, once again, and even sarcastically, they will advise to shove something somewhere .... ts. practice in advance! Maybe in some places, they will not mind, but me, and many other normals, this prospect does not inspire.

    And what do you think the version that there is nothing to build the stream, but to admit to the people, it was a failure, the country was razed. Poisoned, what would be blocked, so as not to suffer and blame the Danes?
    1. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 20: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: imobile2008
      And what about the version that there is nothing to build a stream,

      I think the ANDROID version is better.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 12 September 2020 21: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: imobile2008
      And what about the version that there is nothing to build the stream

      Pipes to lay, the final section, there is something ... where did you get the idea that the two vessels that are there cannot do this?
      There, in general, at the moment, only "cracking affairs" interfere!
      But when they will announce again, whatever, then we'll see.
  • venik
    venik 12 September 2020 19: 54 New
    -2
    "....Danish Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen considers it necessary to resume the discussion on the completion of the construction of Nord Stream 2. The reason for this is the incident with the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny...... "
    =====
    So that's what it is !!! Can it was necessary to this "moron"and really" bang "? request
  • bar
    bar 12 September 2020 20: 00 New
    +2
    While the permit is still valid, the pipe still does not stretch, only time drags on. Apparently in anticipation of either winter storms, or the same cancellation of the permit. As I understand it, for Gazprom itself, this SP-2 is already like a suitcase without a handle, and it is inconvenient to drag and throw it dumb. So Mr. Miller and his comrades are looking for a reason how to get off this project, and how, at the same time, it is more appropriate to write off the costs of it without sitting in a turmoil.
  • Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 12 September 2020 20: 05 New
    0
    And Navalny was not poisoned, and they want to close the gas pipeline! The guys are working well!
    1. Clear
      Clear 12 September 2020 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Moskal 55
      And Navalny was not poisoned, and they want to close the gas pipeline! The guys are working well!

      Where is it clear !? Two things in total, and they did not finish request
  • book
    book 12 September 2020 20: 44 New
    +2
    yes, let them collect the pipes. and let them buy liquefied. what to worry about Europe
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 September 2020 20: 52 New
    0
    This is what I understand the jurisprudence of the EU, they put all the laws with cancer! Now the main argument in any business is highly likely
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 39 New
      +1
      highly likely it is not "may be" or even "very likely". The British say so when they are quite sure, but want to leave themselves a loophole just in case. Well, or so as not to offend.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 14 September 2020 08: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Igor Semenov
        ... The British say so when they are quite sure, but want to leave themselves a loophole just in case.

        It can be highly likely in the yard with a neighbor, but in the modern world, each such highly likely costs a lot of money, and the consequences can be up to war
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 09: 50 New
          +1
          I was just trying to convey to you the lexical meaning of the idiom. Not more.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 12 September 2020 22: 08 New
    0
    I believe that we should not become dependent on Russian gas.

    I must have missed something ... Denmark also depends on Russian gas, and even against its will? belay
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
    -1
    Denmark is easier to "reunite" with the FRG, and Fr. Bornholm, about. Greenland, Faroe Islands with Russia good
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 50 New
      10
      Quote: cat Rusich
      ... Bornholm, about. Greenland, Faroe Islands with Russia

      What for are they to us? We have a lot of our own territory.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 15 September 2020 19: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Artem Volgin
        We have a lot of our own territory.

        Artyom, remember about Crimea, about Japan and its "dreams of the Northern Territories" - N. S. Khrushchev also "reasoned" and "gave away the land" ...
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 12 September 2020 22: 24 New
    0
    Aaaa ... so that's why they talk about the boob ..))
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 22: 36 New
    -7
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    People are fixated on the sea area and forget that the whole "Stream" is three parts.

    Really... wassat Obsessed people ... Why do we need three sources, three components Marxism "SP-2", when in the absence of the whole gas transit is impossible?
    Who is there to butt? Germany? In today's pandemic, it has enough gas from SP-1, but it will need to - it will be supplied to the terminals in the form of LNG. The rest of the European countries are members of the US-financed NATO bloc (mostly) and are very happy that no one will demand them.
    Ours have already removed the money for the Mistral. How did this help the development of our fleet? Believe me, the unfinished "SP-2" is not the lightest burden, not the most convenient clamp. As for fines and penalties, you ask Miller why he subsidized Naftogaz. You will take from the EU both fines and penalties.
    Aha! Slice the bacon from grandfather's "scratched" ... wassat

    Е
    Quote: imobile2008
    Quote: rocket757
    Malasy minke! also those who played along with them !!! Play YOUR game clearly!
    You don't have to buzz about gas and so on! But about THOSE who played along with those co / Z / lamas, I REALLY WANT to know !!!
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, won't you show you those who prompted and whispered such an "amazing" idea to you, humanely ??? Well, I really want to know who is on the TOP with you / us, such a "humanist" !!!
    And the same is the same, now it will break to power with its "humanistic" slogans !!! And he will be HELPED, apparently!
    PS and ours, with proof they will send, once again, and even sarcastically, they will advise to shove something somewhere .... ts. practice in advance! Maybe in some places, they will not mind, but me, and many other normals, this prospect does not inspire.

    And what do you think the version that there is nothing to build the stream, but to admit to the people, it was a failure, the country was razed. Poisoned, what would be blocked, so as not to suffer and blame the Danes?

    laughing
    Quote: imobile2008
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Six months ago, like the majority, I expressed confidence that SP2 would be completed "anyway" ...
    Now I apologize - I'm not so sure anymore ...

    Yes, fullness to you. How easy it was that some kind of dummy from Denmark could disappoint you! There were a couple of options for laying the pipe - through the territorial waters of Denmark and bypassing, but bypassing a little longer, i.e. with standard daily pipe laying, it can increase the construction time from 15 to 30 days, which is not critical. Another issue is that for the second option, time is needed to agree on changes in the project documentation with the settlement of financial issues. Gas will go a little to the side, and Denmark will suck its paw instead of money for transit. These "whims" of Denmark, such as "neither yes" - "no," are aimed at deliberately creating obstacles that slow down the laying of the SP-2. When the necessary approvals are almost completed, then Denmark will again nod its mane, like - and we again do not mind. It was necessary to bypass them at once, since the economic damage from these "whims" would exceed the "savings" that they hoped to get by laying a pipe along the shortest path through the territorial waters of Denmark.

    I will say this, bypassing also needs permission from Denmark. And yet, has permission been received long ago, even though the meter was laid? We could have finished already, we have no technology, we cannot build.

    That is why Russia has already built and continues to build the largest chemical plants in Europe / the world for the processing of hydrocarbons into various polymers. Throw out your training manual, it is outdated 20 years ago
    1. New
      New Year day 12 September 2020 23: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      That is why Russia has already built and continues to build the largest chemical plants in Europe / the world for the processing of hydrocarbons into various polymers.

      and ... continue your thought
  • seacap
    seacap 12 September 2020 22: 41 New
    +6
    They have already turned up their pipes, and "the property of the republic" which is no longer ours. The financial divisions of the company are in the Dutch jurisdiction and pay taxes there, and profits in Cyprus. With billions of losses, they write out small dividends and bonuses for themselves, the overseas owners ordered not to build, so with their tail between their legs, whimpering, burying a billion at the bottom of the sea and stopped. And I have to listen and read every day about the mythical "heroic" efforts of these poor and mediocre "effective managers. "who profiled everything and everything they could, have lost all the courts in absolutely absurd cases, unless the penguins from Antarctica have not yet crawled into their pockets. And these are ready to pay even for one intention, to bring homeless people "passing by the pipe" to some court, all the same not from their own pockets. The property and pride of the republic has turned into its shame and a cash cow of crooks and swindlers of all stripes. It is already starting to shake from all these streams and the sheer helplessness and wretchedness of the homegrown "masters of life" who simply rent out entire industries and bowels of the country for next to nothing at any shout from overseas, and even with such a speed that they do not have time to grab. Half of Europe "hicks", pouring slop on our country, humiliating the people, just brazenly twist their pockets, and puffing cheeks in front of us and trying to pretend to be smart and not fall asleep at various "parties" so-called. forums, whining and wiping snot on whipped cheeks, quickly pay off all sorts of homeless people from the "gateway. A disgrace of the republic."
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 September 2020 22: 43 New
    -3
    I am in a hurry to please Trump, the decision was made to build the Baltic gas processing plant.The project cost is $ 11,5 billion. The date of the planned launch has changed many times, according to the latest plans, the first stage will start working in 2023, the second stage - in 2024. ... How many garbage treasuries we still have there, well, there is where to invest. Hey nemchura quickly build LNG terminals in the Baltic laughing
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 12 September 2020 22: 55 New
    +3
    Eh. In my youth, such a Nord Stream could have canceled Denmark.
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 12 September 2020 23: 32 New
    +3
    The funny thing is that it is not profitable even for Gazprom to operate SP2. The market in Europe is now saturated, and the emergence of a new player with large volumes will lead to a "repainting" of the market, and as a consequence - a decrease in prices. Considering that gas is already being sold by Gazprom from other sources, Gazprom will receive a reduction in its already not very large profits.

    But the process of building a pipe was profitable. Moreover, the government supported it as an argument for negotiations with Ukraine.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 September 2020 00: 20 New
    +3
    "Independent Europe" as it is))). And to hell with her. I will go fishing, I love my country, and the rest does not matter.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 September 2020 01: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: Guards turn
    hurriedly sent the board and evacuated

    .... evacuated.
  • viktor.
    viktor. 13 September 2020 01: 23 New
    0
    The best way in this humiliating situation for Russia! is to stop the construction of the pipe by Russia itself! no matter how hard it was for us, but this is a Fact!, to gasify enterprises and the population of Russia at least 99.9%, to prohibit all negotiations on the export of hydrocarbons outside the territory of Russia, to organize a platform for these negotiations strictly on the territory of Russia no more than once a year from 2022. Countries supporting sanctions against Russia are required to purchase hydrocarbons at a special price (5 bucks cheaper than the American one) and at least 99% of the annual amount before payment!
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 45 New
      +1
      In the current conditions of a surplus of energy resources in the world, your proposals look ... mmm ... somewhat inappropriate
  • mark1
    mark1 13 September 2020 02: 23 New
    +1
    Purely amateurishly - [quote] [/ The total amount of Gazprom in North. The flow for the 19th year amounted to 106 billion rubles or 1,4 billion euros.

    Foreign partners of the Russian monopoly financed the project for 3,274 billion euros: quote]
    In addition, Gazprom is only 50% state
    Maybe that's why we're not really afraid?
    The muzzle is hit mostly not to us.
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 13 September 2020 02: 30 New
    +2
    This is all nonsense! There, such money is at stake that at least 10 Navalny poisoning no one will blink an eye. When it comes to billions of US dollars, human life is like insect life. The Germans traditionally try to bring down the gas price. Danes, too, cannot calmly watch how money flows through their fingers. The best combination would be to start negotiations with the Danes on the continuation of the gas pipeline through Denmark to Holland and beyond. In this case, either the Germans will become more accommodating or an alternative route for gas supplies will arise and the pipeline will not be lost.
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You 13 September 2020 03: 44 New
    +2
    The reason for this is the incident with the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.

    Isn't it the American sanctions thanks to which construction has been frozen for half a year?
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 49 New
      10
      Quote: Alex_You
      Are not American sanctions

      All together, both sanctions and bulk. yes
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 15 September 2020 02: 47 New
        0
        Navalny lost his temper on the strength of 2 weeks ago, and SP 2 has been standing since December 19th. Navalny has nothing to do with it.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 September 2020 09: 05 New
    -1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    That is why Russia has already built and continues to build the largest chemical plants in Europe / the world for the processing of hydrocarbons into various polymers.

    and ... continue your thought

    Sound the troll.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 September 2020 09: 12 New
    -3
    Quote: rzzz
    The funny thing is that it is not profitable even for Gazprom to operate SP2. The market in Europe is now saturated, and the emergence of a new player with large volumes will lead to a "repainting" of the market, and as a consequence - a decrease in prices. Considering that gas is already being sold by Gazprom from other sources, Gazprom will receive a reduction in its already not very large profits.

    But the process of building a pipe was profitable. Moreover, the government supported it as an argument for negotiations with Ukraine.

    We fix that the construction (not operation) of the SP-2 in the economic sense is over. Everything that could be here (in the construction of the facility) to win / lose, miss / get - ALREADY happened.

    "... Gazprom's European partners on the project are German Uniper and Wintershall, Austrian OMV, French Engie and Anglo-Dutch Shell. Gazprom's partners will finance 50% of the project."

    Yes, all ordinary people know this, but we will just remind ourselves again. Half of the investments in construction are not Russian. Thus, Gazprom's costs (if the laws of arithmetic are not abolished) are in the region of $ 5 billion. Five billion is an impressive figure, on the scale of a single person, astronomical. But, excuse me, it makes sense to compare when correlating with the scale of the industry.
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 14 September 2020 14: 35 New
      0
      We fix that the construction (not operation) of the SP-2 in the economic sense is over.

      That's just really - no, not finished. Still under 100 km (or even from above) both the sea and the land section remained ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 September 2020 09: 17 New
    -3
    There will be no breakdown.

    1) The average German will hang himself for 5 euros. For five billion euros, any German corporation - even more so.

    2) The Germans have very bad feedstock for petrochemicals, their own reserves are small, Holland ran out long ago, Norway is running out. The production of oils, plastics, organics - gas fits perfectly here, because, in general, these are cleaner processing processes than the original oil. And they make it possible to produce high value added products with minimal costs. The German economy is tailored just for this. Almost all of the low-value industry has been pulled from Germany to other countries.

    3) German plans to build a European gas transportation hub have not gone anywhere. This is a lifetime transport rent. But not only everyone can think about it.

    The Germans now have a daunting task: how not to get into trouble with the Americans over the Russians, while the Americans can hit German exports to the United States (by business, organize another Volkswagengate) and cause tens of billions of euros in damage; and how not to mess with the Russians because of the Americans: The pipe is here, just hold out a hand.

    Dieselgate caused VAG 30 billion euros in losses.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 September 2020 09: 55 New
    -3
    Quote: Kronos
    Gennady is simply a peremogy - such Putin's plan is always a victory for Russia.

    Heroiam SALA. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 September 2020 10: 19 New
    -2
    Quote: seacap
    They have already turned up their pipes, and "the property of the republic" which is no longer ours. The financial divisions of the company are in the Dutch jurisdiction and pay taxes there, and profits in Cyprus. With billions of losses, they write out small dividends and bonuses for themselves, the overseas owners ordered not to build, so their tail between their legs, whimpering, burying a billion at the bottom of the sea and stopped. And I have to listen and read every day about the mythical "heroic" efforts of these poor and incompetent "effective managers "who profiled everything and everything they could, have lost all the courts in absolutely absurd cases, unless the penguins from Antarctica have not yet crawled into their pockets. And these are ready to pay even for one intention, to submit "passing by the pipe" homeless people to some court, all the same not from their own pockets. The property and pride of the republic has turned into its shame and a cash cow of crooks and swindlers of all stripes. It is already starting to shake from all these streams and the sheer helplessness and wretchedness of the homegrown "masters of life" who simply rent out entire industries and bowels of the country for next to nothing at any shout from overseas, and even with such a speed that they do not have time to grab. Half of Europe, "hicks" pouring mud on our country, humiliating the people, are simply brazenly turning out their pockets, and puffing their cheeks in front of us and trying to pretend to be smart and not fall asleep at various "parties" of the so-called. forums, whining and wiping snot on whipped cheeks, quickly pay off all sorts of homeless people from the "gateway. A disgrace of the republic."
    Yeah ....... an exhaustive "analysis", late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed tobish mosk laughing laughing
  • alexmach
    alexmach 13 September 2020 22: 18 New
    +1
    At the moment, very little remains to be completed, but obstacles constantly arise that prevent this from being done

    And there was nothing to drag the pipe-layer ship around Africa, they would move faster, you look and spawning of cod would not interfere, maybe they would have already completed the construction.
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 48 New
      10
      Quote: alexmach
      maybe they would have finished already.

      Maybe yes, maybe no. All this is fortune telling on the coffee grounds. It turned out the way it happened.
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 00: 23 New
    +1
    The key is that Denmark can. And nothing can be done about it
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 47 New
      10
      Quote: Igor Semenov
      Denmark can.

      Denmark can only do exactly what the EU or the US will allow it
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 14 September 2020 14: 30 New
    0
    It is interesting here not position of the Kingdom of Denmark. Here - absolutely. It’s really interesting - what kind of fun will come from 00:01 Washington time on 01.10.2020/2021/XNUMX. When the United States Federal Law "On financing the federal budget for fiscal year XNUMX" comes into force ...
    1. Artyom Volgin
      Artyom Volgin 15 September 2020 00: 47 New
      10
      Quote: Zementbomber
      what fun fun will come from 00:01 Washington time

      Nothing will happen. Absolutely. yes
      1. Zementbomber
        Zementbomber 15 September 2020 09: 45 New
        0
        So it is not long left to wait - everything will be clear soon. wink