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Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

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Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

In the United States, they found a possible replacement for the MQ-9 Reaper drones. According to Aviation Week, Northrop Grumman has presented a project of a promising SG-2 strike drone.


According to the newspaper, the company plans to create a new drone based on the X-47B UCAS-D deck vehicle, which the American company was developing in the first half of the 2010s. For this, a reduced deck aircraft glider will be taken as a basis. The drone will receive a slightly elongated wing with a narrow chord.

Among the parameters of the future drone, its mass is announced - 9,1 tons, as well as the flight range declared at 1,9 thousand km.

It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike. In addition, electronic warfare will become another function of the new drone. According to the developers, the SG-2 will be able to join groups with other similar devices.

To control the new drones, Northrop Grumman is developing DA / RC (Distributed Recovery / Responsive Control) systems, which are responsible for the automatic management of drone groups and the distribution of tasks. Computer tests have shown that the DA / RC is capable of controlling 100 drones at the same time. Nothing is known about practical tests of the system.

The new drone must meet the requirements of the US Air Force, i.e. to be autonomous with high onboard intelligence, to have systems with an open architecture and to be relatively cheap.
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  1. pytar
    pytar 12 September 2020 15: 09 New
    +2
    Artificial intelligence, robots, more and more occupy a place in military affairs!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 12 New
      -2
      Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

      It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike.


      Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
      At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Grazdanin
          And so it remains. Until.

          Please indicate the source where you got the information, what exactly on this UAV the final decision to defeat the chosen AI target will still be accepted by a person as the last resort?

          The material in the article suggests otherwise. yes

          It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without operator involvement.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 12 September 2020 15: 29 New
            -1
            At least at present, the general idea is still to have a human operator in the 'kill chain' making decisions about how to act on such information, including whether or not to initiate a lethal strike. The Air Force has been emphatic about ensuring that there will be an actual person in the loop at all times, no matter how autonomous a drone or other unmanned vehicle may be in the future.

            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36205/reaper-drone-flies-with-podded-ai-that-sifts-through-huge-sums-of-data-to-pick-out-targets
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 12 September 2020 15: 53 New
              0
              This is a different drone with a different system.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 12 September 2020 15: 33 New
        -5
        Well, all right, tales of AI are being sold to stupid Americans, their brains are filled with fat! .. AI will manifest itself not in choosing a target, but in choosing ways to destroy it! The UAV can change the route, direction, postpone the strike due to external factors, for example: the operation of the air defense system, the presence of patrol aircraft, the operation of the electronic warfare system, etc., etc. And the images and portraits of the target are "loaded" into the computer beforehand, transmitted via digital communication channels! All questions of target selection, determination of "friend or foe", consequences ... are performed off-board ... This is also AI, but not all-encompassing! And you turn on your imagination and do not really assess the situation ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 37 New
          0
          Quote: VO3A
          This is also AI, just not all-encompassing!

          And the real AI, "all-embracing" in nature does not yet exist. Otherwise, this "megamind" would at least already be hovering the brains of us, people, humanity ...
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 12 September 2020 15: 43 New
            -5
            Everything is simpler. Example. You buy clean water from the store in your container. If the device is equipped with a control system for the presence of containers or its non-axial installation, or a low height so that splashes do not fly, then water will not be poured when the "start" button is pressed, or the supply will stop if water flows out! Here, gray inhabitants, will already start yelling about AI. But is it really so?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 47 New
              -3
              Quote: VO3A
              Yes, everything is simpler. Example. You buy clean water from the store in your container. If the device is equipped with a control system for the presence of a container or its non-axial installation, or a low height so that no splashes fly, then water will not be poured when the "start" button is pressed, or the supply will stop if water flows out! Here, gray inhabitants, will already start yelling about AI.

              You are confusing AI with conventional automation that uses primitive algorithms.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 12 September 2020 15: 51 New
                -1
                It's not me! These are they and our dreamers.
                You are confusing AI with conventional automation that uses primitive algorithms.

                Some do not even know how to read ... I tell you on my fingers, and you draw amazing conclusions and attribute them to me! Heal ...
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 12 September 2020 15: 58 New
                  -3
                  To explain to no purpose. For most AIs, magic.
                  1. VO3A
                    VO3A 12 September 2020 16: 08 New
                    0
                    There is no AI, there are complex automatic systems, with a choice of work algorithms, with their analysis, with the possibility of synthesizing these algorithms based on a library in a memory, based on high-speed VUs, which are attributed to the properties of intelligence and are called AI! Early, rest ...
                  2. lucul
                    lucul 12 September 2020 20: 48 New
                    0
                    To explain to no purpose. For most AIs, magic.

                    This AI cannot bypass a simple captcha yet, and you are already going to give him the choice of target))))
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 12 September 2020 15: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

        It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike.


        Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
        At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...

        Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 September 2020 16: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Vol4ara

          Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person

          Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
          I don't remember that ...

          As an exception, of course, you can give an example of the "Perimeter" system (aka "Dead Hand"), but that is a different song. Completely different, and with a different ending.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 12 September 2020 16: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Vol4ara

            Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person

            Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
            I don't remember that ...

            As an exception, of course, you can give an example of the "Perimeter" system (aka "Dead Hand"), but that is a different song. Completely different, and with a different ending.

            And this will be undoubtedly, if your enemy's drones shoot after 2 seconds, and they are waiting for a response from the operator, then you will either make drones on AI that will work without an operator and shoot in 1 second, or you will die
            1. vVvAD
              vVvAD 12 September 2020 17: 09 New
              +1
              They made such a cute holivarch laughing
              According to the publication, the company plans to create a new drone based on the X-47B UCAS-D deck vehicle, which the American company was developing in the first half of the 2010s. For this, a reduced deck aircraft glider will be taken as a basis. B

              Expected. First, we wanted to make the IP X-47 a deck drummer. It did not grow together. Converted into a gas station. Now, a drummer is dreaming on its basis again - if competitors bypass Skyborg or just to run deeper into a budget pocket bully
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 12 September 2020 17: 30 New
                -1
                It is in the Skyborg program that they have little chance of winning; they can fit into the new program. For example, a replacement with enhanced capabilities of the RQ170.
      4. Postum
        Postum 12 September 2020 16: 06 New
        -1
        There is no breakthrough without a path into the unknown
      5. eklmn
        eklmn 13 September 2020 02: 41 New
        -1
        "Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?"
        I, being overseas, completely agree with you !!!
        "Specialists of the RF Ministry of Defense intend to train the robot to conduct combat operations in an autonomous mode - at a distance of hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the commander-operator. As a payload "Marker" is capable of carrying various combinations of small arms, grenade launchers, cassettes for launching unmanned aerial vehicles and loitering ammunition. Development and testing of the Marker robotic platform will be completed in 2021. ”
        https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/columnists/20200727/23902109/Rossiya-sovershaet-proryv-v-proizvodstve-robotov-dlya-armii.html
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 September 2020 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: pytar
      Artificial intelligence, robots, more and more occupy a place in military affairs!

      Nobody wanted to die ...
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 September 2020 15: 23 New
      -6
      By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Grazdanin
        By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.

        We watch from 4:15. Nothing has changed No.

        1. Reviews
          Reviews 13 September 2020 08: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Grazdanin
          By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.

          We watch from 4:15. Nothing has changed No.

           
          “We won the battle. More of them have been killed than us. And that's all.
          - Don't you care that we needed so many people and equipment to break the DIA? With the same equipment, we would have lost.
          - Yeah, but it is not the same and they lost.

          © Robert Mason on Vietnam
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 13 September 2020 08: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Avis
            “We won the battle. More of them have been killed than us. And that's all.
            - Don't you care that we needed so many people and equipment to break the DIA? With the same equipment, we would have lost.
            - Yeah, but it is not the same and they lost.

            © Robert Mason on Vietnam

            Undoubtedly, the casualties of Vietnam in the battles were too great, partly due to the technological backwardness of the Viet Cong.
            But at the same time, it should be noted that most of the Vietnamese who died were still victims of the American unprecedented terror against the civilian population.

            And nevertheless, Vietnam, even in such obviously unequal conditions, withstood, won, and forced the United States to actually surrender.

            Technology, in a non-nuclear, not global war, decides a lot, but not everything.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 13 September 2020 08: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: Insurgent

              And nevertheless, Vietnam, even in such obviously unequal conditions, withstood, won, and forced the United States to actually surrender.

              Technology, in a non-nuclear, not global war, decides a lot, but not everything.

              Yes, I, in fact, laid it out in support. :) In Vietnam, the US won almost all the battles, but lost the war.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2020 15: 11 New
    +2
    The robot in the sky will decide whether to kill people or not? And will the notorious democrats and liberals send him on a voyage? Doesn't it seem like overkill?
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 September 2020 15: 18 New
      +1
      And I used to always think that "Terminator" with its "Skynet" is a fantasy. But it seems that we are striving towards this ourselves.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 12 September 2020 15: 44 New
        0
        Quote: RUnnm
        And I used to always think that "Terminator" with its "Skynet" is a fantasy. But it seems that we are striving towards this ourselves.

        Ahaha, well, nothing, Elon Musk has already solved this problem - a symbiosis of a man and a machine, but all that will be necessary to stick a chip in the brain: D the pig has already been stuck
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 September 2020 15: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Doesn't it seem like overkill?

      Yes, the world has long been unclear where it is rolling
  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 12 September 2020 15: 12 New
    0
    Computer tests have shown that the DA / RC is capable of controlling 100 drones at the same time.

    Afiget belay
    What progress has come to ...
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 September 2020 15: 15 New
      +3
      On the other hand, hacking the system turns into the loss of the entire flock
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 September 2020 15: 17 New
        0
        Quote: RUnnm
        On the other hand, hacking the system turns into the loss of the entire flock

        But I really think no one will launch so much
        In that chile and for the reason you said
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 12 September 2020 15: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Afiget
      What progress has come to ...

      Rather, there was a decline in morals and morals.

      Quote: Insurgent
      Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI? At least the decision to use weapons was left to the person (operator) ...

      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The robot in the sky will decide whether to kill people or not? And will the notorious democrats and liberals send him on a voyage? Doesn't it seem like overkill?
    3. Genry
      Genry 13 September 2020 08: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      What progress has come to ...

      Managing thousands of drones is no longer a problem.

      This is done even in Ukraine.
  4. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 12 September 2020 15: 20 New
    -2
    Another loud headline comparing a snake with a hedgehog. Where did you get the information that this UAV was made to replace the MQ-9? Completely different classes. Here is a program to create a mass attack jet drone asks for, but for it the flying wing scheme will not work. And a bunch of options for this Predator C, MQ-25, XQ-58, etc.
  5. Stena
    Stena 12 September 2020 15: 24 New
    -8
    An analogue of our Hunter. The Americans are already lagging behind in drones ...
    1. Gorecc
      Gorecc 12 September 2020 16: 24 New
      +2
      funny, the United States is ahead of the rest of the world in terms of UAVs and aviation in general. And the hunter is a visual copy of the American UAV smile
      1. Stena
        Stena 12 September 2020 17: 31 New
        -6
        Quote: Gorecc
        And the hunter is a visual copy of the American uav

        That is, the copy appeared before the original? wink
        Northrop Grumman presented a project of a promising SG-2 strike drone

        Quote: Gorecc
        The United States is ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of UAVs and aviation as a whole.

        I will not argue.
        But the Russian Federation, from catching up in the field of unmanned aviation at the beginning of the 2000s, became the leader in 2020.
        Just a few analogies: on leadership in bomber aviation:
        The creator of bomber aviation was imperial Russia with the plane of I. Sikorsky "Ilya Muromets" - the beginning of the era of bomber aviation (we do not take airships into account).
        The world's best subsonic bomber - B-29 (USA).
        The best multi-mode supersonic bomber aircraft in the world is the Tu-160 (its closest American counterpart, the B-1A).
        Whatever the Americans do, Russia is catching up and overtaking (both in nuclear (atomic) charges and in the means of their delivery) and in most critical technologies. This reduces the time period for "catching up and overtaking".
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 12 September 2020 17: 44 New
          +2
          Such funny. At the same Northrop Grumman, the X-47B sat down and took off on the deck of an aircraft carrier back in 2013, and in the same year it refueled in the air. The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Lockheed Martin RQ-170 began service in 2007.
          Hunter's first flight in 2019. Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future. laughing good
          1. Stena
            Stena 12 September 2020 18: 09 New
            -2
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Such funny. At the same Northrop Grumman, the X-47B sat down and took off on the deck of an aircraft carrier back in 2013, and in the same year it refueled in the air. The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Lockheed Martin RQ-170 began service in 2007.

            Are they all heavy and percussive and supersonic at the same time?
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future.

            wink
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 12 September 2020 18: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Stena
              heavy and percussion

              Where is the S-70 shock? laughing It still needs to be made like this. Find the weapons bays in the prototype, here on the X-45 and X-47 find them without problems lol


              Quote: Stena
              supersonic

              Dreamer laughing A flying wing scheme cannot be supersonic. 920 km / h maximum theoretically possible speed for the S-70 wink https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
              1. Stena
                Stena 12 September 2020 18: 40 New
                -3
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Dreamer laughing The scheme of a flying wing cannot be supersonic. 920 km / h maximum theoretically possible speed for the S-70

                Right?
                What is the cruising speed of the SU 57? And at what speed will it interact with the Hunter BPA? wink
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 12 September 2020 18: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stena
                  Right?

                  Absolutely.
                  Quote: Stena
                  what is the SU 57's cruising speed?

                  In the region of 900-1000 km / h like any modern fighter.
                  1. Stena
                    Stena 12 September 2020 18: 52 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    In the region of 900-1000 km / h like any modern fighter.

                    And with the second stage engine?
                    SU 57 is not a modern fighter, but a promising one. As well as BPA Hunter.
                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    Absolutely.

                    And there is no exact data here. And there are only design and test results.
                2. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 12 September 2020 18: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stena
                  920 km / h


                  https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5824644
                  https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22093902/russian-combat-drone-allegedy-set-to-fly-this-year/
                  1. Stena
                    Stena 12 September 2020 19: 00 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
                    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5824644
                    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22093902/russian-combat-drone-allegedy-set-to-fly-this-year/

                    Saw it a little earlier. Thank you for your efforts.
                    I won't argue, but I see a contradiction, namely: such a speed (920 km / h - maximum), fortunately or unfortunately, contradicts the prospective work with SU 57.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 13 September 2020 09: 31 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Stena
                      I see a contradiction, namely: such a speed (920 km / h - maximum), fortunately or unfortunately, contradicts the prospective work with SU 57.

                      There is no contradiction. If you want the greatest stealth, you will fly at 300 km / h.
          2. Genry
            Genry 13 September 2020 09: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future.

            The Americans showed in 2013.
            And Russia ...
            Model of UAV "Skat", Ramenskoye, August 23, 2007

            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 September 2020 09: 34 New
              0
              Russia won the model race, there is no dispute laughing
              1. Genry
                Genry 13 September 2020 09: 37 New
                -1
                The Americans lost in the idea, but the loot won.
                If "Skat" had been financed, the model would have become a flight copy in 3 years.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 13 September 2020 09: 43 New
                  0
                  The Americans put the RQ170 into service and went into production in 2007, and we have a layout laughing and they lost in the idea fellow
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 13 September 2020 09: 48 New
                    0
                    Quote: Grazdanin
                    The Americans had RQ170

                    Information about him appeared only when Iran "landed" it in 2011.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 13 September 2020 09: 51 New
                      -1
                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_RQ-170_Sentinel
                      Yeah, in 2011 he made the first flight, passed the entire set of tests and flew on a combat mission laughing okay, the first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Did the Skat model overtake him too? lol
                      1. Genry
                        Genry 13 September 2020 10: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002.

                        And when was his presentation ???
                        In Russia, even then, many things were not yet presented ...
                      2. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 13 September 2020 10: 24 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Genry
                        when was his presentation ???

                        What other presentation? laughing the plane should fly, not be a model. By the way, Skat is a copy of the X-45, the Hunter is a copy of the X-47B. I'm just laughing at you, uryaklov laughing https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-45
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 12 September 2020 15: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Insurgent
    Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
    At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...


    Well, why did they "go crazy"? Quite the opposite, they think clearly and clearly as never before: it is obvious that the use of such a drone will take place far from the US borders. Perhaps in Europe, perhaps in Asia or somewhere else, but in any case, much further than the range of this apparatus. This means that if something goes wrong, then God is with him - the United States itself cannot be seriously threatened, therefore it is not so important hi
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 September 2020 15: 35 New
    +2
    I wonder what country hackers will blame for cases when these drones "accidentally" shoot for the wrong purpose ...?
    1. mihail_mihail0620
      mihail_mihail0620 12 September 2020 16: 01 New
      0
      Quote: RUnnm
      when these drones "accidentally" shoot for the wrong target ...?

      A drone cannot accidentally shoot at the wrong target, a programmer can accidentally mess up in the program. In my opinion.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 September 2020 16: 30 New
        +2
        That's why I put it in quotation marks. For example, "accidentally" fires at the Chinese delegation, or the German, or Boeing will shoot down .... and the United States will simply declare that the management has been hacked. It is clear by whom. Even now, they don't bother with proof. And even then even more so.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 September 2020 19: 56 New
    0
    X-47B is an aircraft that has successfully passed the full cycle of tests on aircraft carriers.
    The sailors did not take it into service, they were afraid of such radical
    innovations. But in vain.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 September 2020 20: 04 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The sailors did not take it into service, they were afraid of such radical
      innovations. But in vain.

      In vain from the point of view of a potential enemy. Unfortunately, they have adopted a more suitable version from Boeing. The Mq-25 Stingray has a better design for an aircraft carrier and further upgrades.
  • Crash
    Crash 13 September 2020 07: 34 New
    0
    Isaac Asimov rolled over in his coffin
    1. A robot cannot harm a person or, through inaction, allow a person to be harmed.
    2. The robot must obey all orders given by a person, except in cases where these orders are contrary to the First Law.
    3. The robot must take care of its safety to the extent that it does not contradict the First or Second Laws.
  • Andrey Kudelya
    Andrey Kudelya 13 September 2020 14: 55 New
    -1
    The time will come when people will sit in front of the TV and watch World War 3.
  • certero
    certero 14 September 2020 14: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
    I don't remember that ...

    He shouldn't say that at all.
    Because this is not the president's business.
    Whoever will be the first to create fully autonomous aircraft will rule in future wars.
    For example, the selection of air targets is the simplest task for modern computers.