Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

In the US, they found a possible replacement drones MQ-9 Reaper. According to Aviation Week, Northrop Grumman has presented a project for a promising strike drone SG-2.

According to the newspaper, the company plans to create a new drone based on the X-47B UCAS-D deck vehicle, which the American company was developing in the first half of the 2010s. For this, a reduced deck aircraft glider will be taken as a basis. The drone will receive a slightly elongated wing with a narrow chord.

Among the parameters of the future drone, its mass is announced - 9,1 tons, as well as the flight range declared at 1,9 thousand km.

It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike. In addition, electronic warfare will become another function of the new drone. According to the developers, the SG-2 will be able to join groups with other similar devices.

To control the new drones, Northrop Grumman is developing DA / RC (Distributed Recovery / Responsive Control) systems, which are responsible for the automatic management of drone groups and the distribution of tasks. Computer tests have shown that the DA / RC is capable of controlling 100 drones at the same time. Nothing is known about practical tests of the system.

The new drone must meet the requirements of the US Air Force, i.e. to be autonomous with high onboard intelligence, to have systems with an open architecture and to be relatively cheap.

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[pytar]

Artificial intelligence, robots, more and more occupy a place in military affairs!

[Insurgent]

Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike.

Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Grazdanin

And so it remains. Until.

Please indicate the source where you got the information, what exactly on this UAV the final decision to defeat the chosen AI target will still be accepted by a person as the last resort?

The material in the article suggests otherwise.

It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without operator involvement.

[Grazdanin]

At least at present, the general idea is still to have a human operator in the 'kill chain' making decisions about how to act on such information, including whether or not to initiate a lethal strike. The Air Force has been emphatic about ensuring that there will be an actual person in the loop at all times, no matter how autonomous a drone or other unmanned vehicle may be in the future.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36205/reaper-drone-flies-with-podded-ai-that-sifts-through-huge-sums-of-data-to-pick-out-targets

[The eye of the crying]

This is a different drone with a different system.

[VO3A]

Well, all right, tales of AI are being sold to stupid Americans, their brains are filled with fat! .. AI will manifest itself not in choosing a target, but in choosing ways to destroy it! The UAV can change the route, direction, postpone the strike due to external factors, for example: the operation of the air defense system, the presence of patrol aircraft, the operation of the electronic warfare system, etc., etc. And the images and portraits of the target are "loaded" into the computer beforehand, transmitted via digital communication channels! All questions of target selection, determination of "friend or foe", consequences ... are performed off-board ... This is also AI, but not all-encompassing! And you turn on your imagination and do not really assess the situation ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: VO3A

This is also AI, just not all-encompassing!

And the real AI, "all-embracing" in nature does not yet exist. Otherwise, this "megamind" would at least already be hovering the brains of us, people, humanity ...

[VO3A]

Everything is simpler. Example. You buy clean water from the store in your container. If the device is equipped with a control system for the presence of containers or its non-axial installation, or a low height so that splashes do not fly, then water will not be poured when the "start" button is pressed, or the supply will stop if water flows out! Here, gray inhabitants, will already start yelling about AI. But is it really so?

[Insurgent]

Quote: VO3A

Yes, everything is simpler. Example. You buy clean water from the store in your container. If the device is equipped with a control system for the presence of a container or its non-axial installation, or a low height so that no splashes fly, then water will not be poured when the "start" button is pressed, or the supply will stop if water flows out! Here, gray inhabitants, will already start yelling about AI.

You are confusing AI with conventional automation that uses primitive algorithms.

[VO3A]

It's not me! These are they and our dreamers.

You are confusing AI with conventional automation that uses primitive algorithms.

Some do not even know how to read ... I tell you on my fingers, and you draw amazing conclusions and attribute them to me! Heal ...

[Grazdanin]

To explain to no purpose. For most AIs, magic.

[VO3A]

There is no AI, there are complex automatic systems, with a choice of work algorithms, with their analysis, with the possibility of synthesizing these algorithms based on a library in a memory, based on high-speed VUs, which are attributed to the properties of intelligence and are called AI! Early, rest ...

[lucul]

To explain to no purpose. For most AIs, magic.

This AI cannot bypass a simple captcha yet, and you are already going to give him the choice of target))))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Insurgent

Northrop Grumman presented a possible replacement for the drone MQ-9 Reaper

It is assumed that the new drone will operate autonomously, without the participation of the operator. The drone will conduct reconnaissance itself, find targets and identify them, and then strike.

Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...

Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vol4ara

Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person

Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
I don't remember that ...

As an exception, of course, you can give an example of the "Perimeter" system (aka "Dead Hand"), but that is a different song. Completely different, and with a different ending.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Vol4ara

Putin apparently also went crazy, since he talked about the need to vigorously develop this topic, because the speed of decision-making at a computer cannot be compared with a person

Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
I don't remember that ...

As an exception, of course, you can give an example of the "Perimeter" system (aka "Dead Hand"), but that is a different song. Completely different, and with a different ending.

And this will be undoubtedly, if your enemy's drones shoot after 2 seconds, and they are waiting for a response from the operator, then you will either make drones on AI that will work without an operator and shoot in 1 second, or you will die

[vVvAD]

They made such a cute holivarch

According to the publication, the company plans to create a new drone based on the X-47B UCAS-D deck vehicle, which the American company was developing in the first half of the 2010s. For this, a reduced deck aircraft glider will be taken as a basis. B

Expected. First, we wanted to make the IP X-47 a deck drummer. It did not grow together. Converted into a gas station. Now, a drummer is dreaming on its basis again - if competitors bypass Skyborg or just to run deeper into a budget pocket

[Grazdanin]

It is in the Skyborg program that they have little chance of winning; they can fit into the new program. For example, a replacement with enhanced capabilities of the RQ170.

[postum]

There is no breakthrough without a path into the unknown

[eklmn]

"Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?"
I, being overseas, completely agree with you !!!
"Specialists of the RF Ministry of Defense intend to train the robot to conduct combat operations in an autonomous mode - at a distance of hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the commander-operator. As a payload "Marker" is capable of carrying various combinations of small arms, grenade launchers, cassettes for launching unmanned aerial vehicles and loitering ammunition. Development and testing of the Marker robotic platform will be completed in 2021. ”
https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/columnists/20200727/23902109/Rossiya-sovershaet-proryv-v-proizvodstve-robotov-dlya-armii.html

[Lipchanin]

Quote: pytar

Artificial intelligence, robots, more and more occupy a place in military affairs!

Nobody wanted to die ...

[Grazdanin]

By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Grazdanin

By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.

We watch from 4:15. Nothing has changed

[Reviews]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Grazdanin

By the end of the decade, UAVs will become the main striking means that devalue all ground equipment.

We watch from 4:15. Nothing has changed

 
“We won the battle. More of them have been killed than us. And that's all.
- Don't you care that we needed so many people and equipment to break the DIA? With the same equipment, we would have lost.
- Yeah, but it is not the same and they lost.

© Robert Mason on Vietnam

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avis

“We won the battle. More of them have been killed than us. And that's all.
- Don't you care that we needed so many people and equipment to break the DIA? With the same equipment, we would have lost.
- Yeah, but it is not the same and they lost.

© Robert Mason on Vietnam

Undoubtedly, the casualties of Vietnam in the battles were too great, partly due to the technological backwardness of the Viet Cong.
But at the same time, it should be noted that most of the Vietnamese who died were still victims of the American unprecedented terror against the civilian population.

And nevertheless, Vietnam, even in such obviously unequal conditions, withstood, won, and forced the United States to actually surrender.

Technology, in a non-nuclear, not global war, decides a lot, but not everything.

[Reviews]

Quote: Insurgent

And nevertheless, Vietnam, even in such obviously unequal conditions, withstood, won, and forced the United States to actually surrender.

Technology, in a non-nuclear, not global war, decides a lot, but not everything.

Yes, I, in fact, laid it out in support. :) In Vietnam, the US won almost all the battles, but lost the war.

[Mountain shooter]

The robot in the sky will decide whether to kill people or not? And will the notorious democrats and liberals send him on a voyage? Doesn't it seem like overkill?

[RUnnm]

And I used to always think that "Terminator" with its "Skynet" is a fantasy. But it seems that we are striving towards this ourselves.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: RUnnm

And I used to always think that "Terminator" with its "Skynet" is a fantasy. But it seems that we are striving towards this ourselves.

Ahaha, well, nothing, Elon Musk has already solved this problem - a symbiosis of a man and a machine, but all that will be necessary to stick a chip in the brain: D the pig has already been stuck

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Doesn't it seem like overkill?

Yes, the world has long been unclear where it is rolling

[Lipchanin]

Computer tests have shown that the DA / RC is capable of controlling 100 drones at the same time.

Afiget
What progress has come to ...

[RUnnm]

On the other hand, hacking the system turns into the loss of the entire flock

[Lipchanin]

Quote: RUnnm

On the other hand, hacking the system turns into the loss of the entire flock

But I really think no one will launch so much
In that chile and for the reason you said

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Afiget
What progress has come to ...

Rather, there was a decline in morals and morals.

Quote: Insurgent

Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI? At least the decision to use weapons was left to the person (operator) ...

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The robot in the sky will decide whether to kill people or not? And will the notorious democrats and liberals send him on a voyage? Doesn't it seem like overkill?

[Genry]

Quote: Lipchanin

What progress has come to ...

Managing thousands of drones is no longer a problem.

This is done even in Ukraine.

[Grazdanin]

Another loud headline comparing a snake with a hedgehog. Where did you get the information that this UAV was made to replace the MQ-9? Completely different classes. Here is a program to create a mass attack jet drone asks for, but for it the flying wing scheme will not work. And a bunch of options for this Predator C, MQ-25, XQ-58, etc.

[Stena]

An analogue of our Hunter. The Americans are already lagging behind in drones ...

[gorecc]

funny, the United States is ahead of the rest of the world in terms of UAVs and aviation in general. And the hunter is a visual copy of the American UAV

[Stena]

Quote: Gorecc

And the hunter is a visual copy of the American uav

That is, the copy appeared before the original?

Northrop Grumman presented a project of a promising SG-2 strike drone

Quote: Gorecc

The United States is ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of UAVs and aviation as a whole.

I will not argue.
But the Russian Federation, from catching up in the field of unmanned aviation at the beginning of the 2000s, became the leader in 2020.
Just a few analogies: on leadership in bomber aviation:
The creator of bomber aviation was imperial Russia with the plane of I. Sikorsky "Ilya Muromets" - the beginning of the era of bomber aviation (we do not take airships into account).
The world's best subsonic bomber - B-29 (USA).
The best multi-mode supersonic bomber aircraft in the world is the Tu-160 (its closest American counterpart, the B-1A).
Whatever the Americans do, Russia is catching up and overtaking (both in nuclear (atomic) charges and in the means of their delivery) and in most critical technologies. This reduces the time period for "catching up and overtaking".

[Grazdanin]

Such funny. At the same Northrop Grumman, the X-47B sat down and took off on the deck of an aircraft carrier back in 2013, and in the same year it refueled in the air. The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Lockheed Martin RQ-170 began service in 2007.
Hunter's first flight in 2019. Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future.

[Stena]

Quote: Grazdanin

Such funny. At the same Northrop Grumman, the X-47B sat down and took off on the deck of an aircraft carrier back in 2013, and in the same year it refueled in the air. The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Lockheed Martin RQ-170 began service in 2007.

Are they all heavy and percussive and supersonic at the same time?

Quote: Grazdanin

Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Stena

heavy and percussion

Where is the S-70 shock? It still needs to be made like this. Find the weapons bays in the prototype, here on the X-45 and X-47 find them without problems

Quote: Stena

supersonic

Dreamer A flying wing scheme cannot be supersonic. 920 km / h maximum theoretically possible speed for the S-70 https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya

[Stena]

Quote: Grazdanin

Dreamer laughing The scheme of a flying wing cannot be supersonic. 920 km / h maximum theoretically possible speed for the S-70

Right?
What is the cruising speed of the SU 57? And at what speed will it interact with the Hunter BPA?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Stena

Right?

Absolutely.

Quote: Stena

what is the SU 57's cruising speed?

In the region of 900-1000 km / h like any modern fighter.

[Stena]

Quote: Grazdanin

In the region of 900-1000 km / h like any modern fighter.

And with the second stage engine?
SU 57 is not a modern fighter, but a promising one. As well as BPA Hunter.

Quote: Grazdanin

Absolutely.

And there is no exact data here. And there are only design and test results.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Stena

920 km / h

https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5824644
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22093902/russian-combat-drone-allegedy-set-to-fly-this-year/

[Stena]

Quote: Grazdanin

https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5824644
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22093902/russian-combat-drone-allegedy-set-to-fly-this-year/

Saw it a little earlier. Thank you for your efforts.
I won't argue, but I see a contradiction, namely: such a speed (920 km / h - maximum), fortunately or unfortunately, contradicts the prospective work with SU 57.

[Genry]

Quote: Stena

I see a contradiction, namely: such a speed (920 km / h - maximum), fortunately or unfortunately, contradicts the prospective work with SU 57.

There is no contradiction. If you want the greatest stealth, you will fly at 300 km / h.

[Genry]

Quote: Grazdanin

Yes, the Americans invented the time machine and stole what we will invent in the future.

The Americans showed in 2013.
And Russia ...
Model of UAV "Skat", Ramenskoye, August 23, 2007

[Grazdanin]

Russia won the model race, there is no dispute

[Genry]

The Americans lost in the idea, but the loot won.
If "Skat" had been financed, the model would have become a flight copy in 3 years.

[Grazdanin]

The Americans put the RQ170 into service and went into production in 2007, and we have a layout and they lost in the idea

[Genry]

Quote: Grazdanin

The Americans had RQ170

Information about him appeared only when Iran "landed" it in 2011.

[Grazdanin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_RQ-170_Sentinel
Yeah, in 2011 he made the first flight, passed the entire set of tests and flew on a combat mission okay, the first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002. Did the Skat model overtake him too?

[Genry]

Quote: Grazdanin

The first flight of the Boeing X-45 was in 2002.

And when was his presentation ???
In Russia, even then, many things were not yet presented ...

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Genry

when was his presentation ???

What other presentation? the plane should fly, not be a model. By the way, Skat is a copy of the X-45, the Hunter is a copy of the X-47B. I'm just laughing at you, uryaklov https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-45

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Insurgent

Completely crazy overseas on the topic of AI?
At least the decision to use weapons was left to a person (operator) ...

Well, why did they "go crazy"? Quite the opposite, they think clearly and clearly as never before: it is obvious that the use of such a drone will take place far from the US borders. Perhaps in Europe, perhaps in Asia or somewhere else, but in any case, much further than the range of this apparatus. This means that if something goes wrong, then God is with him - the United States itself cannot be seriously threatened, therefore it is not so important

[RUnnm]

I wonder what country hackers will blame for cases when these drones "accidentally" shoot for the wrong purpose ...?

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: RUnnm

when these drones "accidentally" shoot for the wrong target ...?

A drone cannot accidentally shoot at the wrong target, a programmer can accidentally mess up in the program. In my opinion.

[RUnnm]

That's why I put it in quotation marks. For example, "accidentally" fires at the Chinese delegation, or the German, or Boeing will shoot down .... and the United States will simply declare that the management has been hacked. It is clear by whom. Even now, they don't bother with proof. And even then even more so.

[voyaka uh]

X-47B is an aircraft that has successfully passed the full cycle of tests on aircraft carriers.
The sailors did not take it into service, they were afraid of such radical
innovations. But in vain.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: voyaka uh

The sailors did not take it into service, they were afraid of such radical
innovations. But in vain.

In vain from the point of view of a potential enemy. Unfortunately, they have adopted a more suitable version from Boeing. The Mq-25 Stingray has a better design for an aircraft carrier and further upgrades.

[Crash]

Isaac Asimov rolled over in his coffin

1. A robot cannot harm a person or, through inaction, allow a person to be harmed.
2. The robot must obey all orders given by a person, except in cases where these orders are contrary to the First Law.
3. The robot must take care of its safety to the extent that it does not contradict the First or Second Laws.

[Andrey Kudelya]

The time will come when people will sit in front of the TV and watch World War 3.

[certero]

Quote: Insurgent

Has Putin already mentioned somewhere that AI that excludes a person in decision-making at all stages will be used in weapons?
I don't remember that ...

He shouldn't say that at all.
Because this is not the president's business.
Whoever will be the first to create fully autonomous aircraft will rule in future wars.
For example, the selection of air targets is the simplest task for modern computers.