To launch satellites "Gonets-M" allowed to involve the military

The Russian government has authorized the use of military infrastructure to launch the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit. The corresponding decree was signed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, according to the website of the Cabinet.

According to the decree, the Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome will be used to launch the Gonets-M communication satellites. At the same time, it is allowed to involve personnel of space forces and military infrastructure in the launch. The launch itself will take place on a contractual basis, together with the Gonets-M satellites spacecraft from other countries will be launched.

We are talking about the planned launch of the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit, which provide communication outside the coverage area of ​​mobile operators. At the same time, several satellites created by Russian universities, as well as spacecraft from Finland, the USA, Canada, Lithuania, the United Arab Emirates, and Germany for civil purposes will be launched as payloads.

- said in a statement.

Earlier it was announced plans to launch three Gonets-M satellites with a Soyuz-2.1b rocket by the end of 2019. Then, in 2020, another launch of Soyuz-2.1b was planned, also with three Messengers, and in 2021-2022, it was planned to launch six Messengers-M into orbit with two Angara-1.2 missiles, three vehicles each.

The satellites to be launched should be part of the Gonets-D1M global low-orbit satellite system, which is designed to provide communication and data transmission in remote and hard-to-reach areas, including the Far North. Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.

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[Lipchanin]

Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.

Not so again ...

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Quote: Lipchanin

Not so again ...

New satellites are launched when old ones fail. Six new ones will go to the orbital reserve and will replace old satellites that are out of order.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

New satellites are launched upon failure of old ones.

Do you want to say that eight satellites at once went out in the same order?

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Quote: Lipchanin

Do you want to say that eight satellites at once went out in the same order?

Not. The satellites are small and can be launched in a cluster. On the 28th, the first launch of three vehicles into the reserve.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

On the 28th, the first launch of three vehicles into the reserve.

I understand it. But after all, a solid negative

Currently, the group includes 11 satellites instead of 12, moreover 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed sro

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Quote: Lipchanin

8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed

It means excellent companions, since they work well outside the warranty. And the negative - well, they try so hard.

[Lipchanin]

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Quote: Lipchanin

8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed

It means excellent companions, since they work well outside the warranty. And the negative - well, they try so hard.

Okay, persuaded, everything is fine

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Quote: Lipchanin

Okay, persuaded, everything is fine

Two troikas this year fly to this group from the ground reserve. Those. they were made long ago. Some more devices are in production.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: slipped

Two triplets this year fly to this group from the ground reserve.

Well, God bless them

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Quote: Lipchanin

Well, God bless them

But God did not help the Americans and Chinese today:

[voyaka uh]

Astra is a privately held startup that is only four years old.
Musk started in the same way.

[vVvAD]

Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:

The Russian government has authorized the use of military infrastructure to launch the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit.

The only good news is that this very military infrastructure exists, and not only provides its own needs, but is also capable of "lending a shoulder" to the civil one.

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Quote: vVvAD

Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:

What "failures"? The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. Plesetsk is a military cosmodrome, there always launched by the military.

[vVvAD]

I would use your optimism

Quote: slipped

The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. lol Plesetsk is a military spaceport, the military is always launched there.

So Yes. But Roscosmos has problems with a carriage and a small cart.

[ccsr]

Quote: vVvAD

The only good news is that this very military infrastructure exists, and not only provides its own needs, but is also capable of "lending a shoulder" to the civil one.

I think you do not quite correctly assess the situation, because the "Gonets-M" system is a continuation of the program for the development of communication systems of the GRU General Staff, which used the "Strela-2" and "Strela-2M" systems back in Soviet times. Even then, a stock of satellites was envisaged for a threatened period or for an urgent build-up of an orbital group, which is why the capabilities of the Strategic Missile Forces were used for this, and not civilian structures, which simply could not provide the required promptness of launching into orbit. So the launch of the Gonets-M satellites by the Strategic Missile Forces is most likely just another test of the capabilities of our armed forces to carry out combat missions without the participation of civilian structures.

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Quote: ccsr

So the launch of the Gonets-M satellites by the Strategic Missile Forces is most likely just another test of the capabilities of our armed forces to carry out combat missions without the participation of civilian structures.

No. At the Plesetsk cosmodrome there is a long-established chain of preparation of the Gonets satellites for launch. They always flew from there. After the Rokot rocket launches were discontinued last year, the satellites were transferred to the Soyuz-2, and since this is a middle-class rocket, they fly not alone, but together with other small spacecraft, which require permission for their launch by the military.

[ccsr]

Quote: slipped

No. At the Plesetsk cosmodrome there is a long-established chain of preparation of Gonets satellites for launch.

Such chains existed in Soviet times, and as far as I know, the launch of small-sized satellites of the "Gonets" type by the Strategic Missile Forces was carried out even then.

Quote: slipped

then they are not flying alone, but together with other small spacecraft,

It is natural not to put "air" into orbit - it is a usual economic calculation.

Quote: slipped

who need permission to launch them by the military.

In fact, I was talking about something completely different - there are operational tasks that cannot be entrusted to civilian services, which is why they periodically launch missiles from the Strategic Missile Forces, where instead of a warhead there is another payload. I only assumed that this was done to check the readiness for such launches, especially since it was previously customary to have a stock of some military satellites for a special period. I think such a period is just possible in the near future.

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Quote: ccsr

That is why they periodically launch missiles from the Strategic Missile Forces, where instead of a warhead there is another payload.

Conversion rockets are not being launched now, Rokot-M is being prepared for launches, but since 2022.

Quote: ccsr

I only assumed that this was done to check the readiness for such launches, especially since it was previously customary to have a stock of some military satellites for a special period. I think such a period is just possible in the near future.

"Gonets-D1M" is a "civil" communication system. Such a "military" system is called "Rodnik", where Strela-3M satellites are used.

[KVU-NSVD]

There is no hope for Roskosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation. After such messages, I will not be surprised at Rogozin's resignation and replacing him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

[svp67]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

After such messages, I will not be surprised to resign Rogozin and replace him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

It doesn't sink ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: svp67

It doesn't sink ...

It won't sink, but even though it flows to another place, it will carry it more imperceptibly.

[svp67]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

, but at least by the current to another place, it will carry it more imperceptibly ..

I would like to ... but somehow it does not demolish.

[Ilya-spb]

It is necessary to press the flush - it will drown.

Rogozin - sent as ambassador to Burkina Faso. There he will not harm.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Ilya-spb

It is necessary to press the flush - it will drown.
Rogozin - sent as ambassador to Burkina Faso. There he will not harm.

always and everywhere can harm! No wonder the expression - "Protection from the fool" appeared!

[PalBor]

In Skolkovo. They still work for the West. Let them hurt The main thing is to keep out of vaccines.

[Aviator_]

How is Marshal Taburetkin? Everything also floats.

[venik]

Quote: svp67

It doesn't sink ...

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Unfortunately not! DOESN'T Sink! ...... Although, by and large, all these "effective managers"- it is necessary to FLOOR! In the nearest reservoir!
And so that all this "g ....." does not pop up - in the bag! With a sinker !!!

[Reviews]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

There is no hope for Roscosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications.

I agree. With the same thought, I clicked on the headline of the news.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

and replacing it with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces

The best option

[good]

The military from the Aerospace Forces have other tasks.

[FenH]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

There is no hope for Roskosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation. After such messages, I will not be surprised at Rogozin's resignation and replacing him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

IMHO.Since the construction of the cosmodrome for SOYUZ in French Guiana, the number of emergency launches at Baikonur and, in general, with SOYUZ has gone uphill, everywhere, except for Guiana. It can be seen preparing a rocket for launch in Guiana is chocolateier than at Baikonur. For one, the French beat back their investments in the cosmodrome

[K-612-O]

Does Roscomos have free capacities? In addition to the messengers, other launches must also be provided. Vostochny is not finished yet, but Baikonur is already busy

[Starover_Z]

Quote: K-612-O

Does Roscomos have free capacities? In addition to the messengers, other launches must also be provided. Vostochny is not finished yet, but Baikonur is already busy

But did one launch pad at Baikonur or the devastation "work" there too?

[Piramidon]

Rogozin is not up to the "Messengers" now, he urgently needs to knock out and master funds for the "sea launch". Such a tidbit is planned. "Vostochny", it seems, has already been pushed into the far corner.

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Quote: KVU-NSVD

There is no hope for Roscosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation.

The Gonets satellites have always been launched from Plesetsk. Previously, the conversion Rokot was used for this, now cluster launches have been ordered, together with other small spacecraft on Soyuz-2.

Quote: KVU-NSVD

After such messages, I will not be surprised to resign Rogozin and replace him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

I ran away.

[Mountain shooter]

Even though the military is in complete order ... They will launch it on time and without "excesses" ...

[Doctor]

Roscosmos everything ...
There and the road.
Re-subordinate all VKS of the RF Ministry of Defense.
Golovko is a very adequate Commander, he can handle 100%.

[Podvodnik]

Golovko is a very adequate Commander, can handle 100%

It's just difficult to reassign (in terms of the result). It's like with the crew of a ship. If he "decayed", then the new commander is unlikely to help. Reforming is needed here. The entire existing "system" of ugliness must be destroyed. Dilute with new people. And to root out the notorious.

[Doctor]

It's just difficult to reassign (in terms of the result). It's like with the crew of a ship. If he "decayed", then the new commander is unlikely to help. Reforming is needed here. The entire existing "system" of ugliness must be destroyed. Dilute with new people. And to root out the notorious.

No production capacity is needed, this is not typical for MO.
TSENKI. Starts and controls.

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Quote: Arzt

Roscosmos everything ...

Do the girls keep eating the cactus?

Meanwhile, at Baikonur, RSC Energia specialists continue work in accordance with the schedule of pre-flight tests of the Soyuz MS-17 manned transport vehicle (TPK).

[minus]

As far as I remember, the military always took them out of their cosmodromes. And as for the number, it should have been not even 12 but 24 for a long time. For full coverage of the territory and the absence of intervals between communication sessions. There were such statements in the mid-90s in 2003-2005 (I don't remember exactly, but there were several articles in the Radio magazine with an overview of the system)

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Quote: Minus

And as for the number, it should have been not even 12 but 24 long ago.

No - 12 devices. In the new projected constellation, already of new spacecraft, 28 of them are planned. At the initial stage, it is planned to launch seven spacecraft into space at a time, later, to maintain the constellation in the normal mode, two or three. All launches will be carried out from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

[minus]

Initially, it was stated that 12 provide coverage only for the most northern latitudes. In the middle, there are large dips, at the equator it is very bad ... This is exactly what it was said in the presentation materials and the description in the magazine Radio. And it was then that the responsible workers voiced 24 satellites! And later it was announced about 24 to our time. And the fact that the dates are shifted ... This is not for me!

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Quote: Minus

And later it was announced about 24 to our time. And the fact that the dates are shifted ... This is not for me!

The orbital group MSPSS "Gonets-D1M" consists of 12 low-orbit spacecraft (SC) "Gonets-M".

Orbit type - circular, polar
Orbital inclination - 82,5˚
Orbital altitude - up to 1500 km
Number of orbital planes - 4
Number of spacecraft in the plane - 3
Globe coverage - 100%

[Dikson]

It seems like a powerful corporation that devours money like a cadaver, it's time to disperse it to hell? Pre-projected and finalized ... Actually, the Americans seem to have completely abandoned our services for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS .. And, in fact, the military has its own Plesetsk .. - why do they need Vostochny?

[businessv]

Quote: Dikson

And, in fact, the military has its own Plesetsk ... - why do they need Vostochny?

Duc was built for heavyweight! And it belongs to Roskosmos, not the military.

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Quote: businessv

Duc was built for heavyweight! And it belongs to Roskosmos, not the military.

The Moscow Region is also involved in the construction of Vostochny.

[businessv]

Quote: slipped

The Moscow Region is also involved in the construction of Vostochny.

So what? Water to Simferopol was pulled exclusively by engineering troops, so Simferopol now belongs to the Ministry of Defense?

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Quote: businessv

So what? Water to Simferopol was pulled exclusively by engineering troops, so Simferopol now belongs to the Ministry of Defense?

And then. The military will also carry out launches from Vostochny.

[businessv]

Quote: slipped

The military will also carry out launches from Vostochny.

And who denies something ?! We have not discussed this issue with you. Since there are several launch sites, it is natural that all the capabilities of the cosmodrome will be used to the fullest and it does not matter whether it is civilian or military. The main thing is that we will no longer pay for the rent of Baikonur, although it's a pity - the Cosmos began with it!

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Quote: businessv

The main thing is that we will no longer pay for the rent of Baikonur, although it's a pity - the Cosmos began with it!

who told you that? Baikonur leased until 2050.

[businessv]

Quote: slipped

Baikonur leased until the year 2050.

This does not mean that we cannot terminate the lease early. This is not a supply of natural gas, you know .... The previous question was closed, I suggest not raising new ones.

[slipped]

Quote: businessv

This does not mean that we cannot terminate the lease early.

Nobody is going, on the contrary, two new large international projects at Baikonur are planned in the near future.

[businessv]

Quote: slipped

Nobody is going, on the contrary, two new large international projects at Baikonur are planned in the near future.

Only if it is profitable. Time is like that.

[slipped]

Quote: Dikson

Actually, the Americans seem to have completely abandoned our services for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS ..

On October 14, two of ours and one American are flying.

[businessv]

Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.

Doesn't sound very optimistic! Even, I would say, it sounds bad!

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Quote: businessv

Even, I would say, it sounds bad!

The satellites work great. The manufacturer has even put on sale a case for emergency communication through the Gonets system with a wide range of tariffs.

And you cry, cry.

[slipped]

In addition to domestic Messengers, 15 foreign spacecraft and 4 of our university spacecraft are flying in the launch, and they are very interesting in functionality:

[Bear]

Good evening everyone. You can criticize Rogozin as much as you like, but before him, five "effective managers" were in the chair of the head of Roscosmos, you can specify the names from 1992 to 2018. Rogozin in 2018 inherited a completely collapsed industry. His statements about the trampoline are on the brink of a foul, he still did not fully understand what he was getting into. Believe me, in the two years that have passed as a leader, there has been a colossal change in the management and executive apparatus of the organization. This is not visible, and it is not advertised. May God grant health and strength to Dmitry Olegovich!

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Quote: Orso

May God grant health and strength to Dmitry Olegovich!

Meanwhile, Roskosmos is gradually developing a nuclear space tug, the model of which was previously demonstrated at MAKS:

[Disant]

will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?
cooling - just flat panels or what's new?
have something to read from the latter?

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Disant

will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?
cooling - just flat panels or what's new?
have something to read from the latter?

And it will be as before, they will put people on barrels of gasoline and thrown into space ...

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Quote: Disant

will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?

Reactor with boom end converter, motors on service module.

Quote: Disant

cooling - just flat panels or what's new invented? is there something to read from the latter?

The first demonstrator contains panels.

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Quote: Disant

have something to read from the latter?

"cartoons" posted here:



some points can be considered

[Disant]

some points can be considered

but before that, a few days before this video, I suddenly drew a power plant from behind. so I asked - in front or behind.
.
on micro-dust - it will remain behind or will fly away forwards, because TEM either accelerates for months or slows down (ideally)

[Disant]

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Meanwhile, Roskosmos is gradually developing a nuclear space tug, the model of which was previously demonstrated at MAKS:

so what is going on - what kind of a mock-up - this is already in the shop THE REAL PRODUCT IS ASSEMBLED !!!

[GREG68]

Why not send us a messenger for a bottle of wine

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: slipped

Quote: vVvAD

Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:

What "failures"? The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. Plesetsk is a military cosmodrome, there always launched by the military.

Can you tell me where civilian spaceports? I'm not asking for foreign intelligence, for myself ...

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Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Can you tell me where civilian spaceports? I'm not asking for foreign intelligence, for myself ...

At Baikonur, Vostochny and Kuru, launches are carried out by civil settlement from enterprises. In Plesetsk - a combat crew of the Aerospace Forces.

[1536]

Thoughts involuntarily arise that it is time for the military not only to send "Messengers" into space, but also to take a close look at what is happening on earth.
If events in the country follow the Belarusian or American scenarios, then the military will find themselves in the worst situation since the 1990s.
I apologize for the excessive politicization of the comment.