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To launch satellites "Gonets-M" allowed to involve the military

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To launch satellites "Gonets-M" allowed to involve the military

The Russian government has authorized the use of military infrastructure to launch the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit. The corresponding decree was signed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, according to the website of the Cabinet.


According to the decree, the Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome will be used to launch the Gonets-M communication satellites. At the same time, it is allowed to involve personnel of space forces and military infrastructure in the launch. The launch itself will take place on a contractual basis, together with the Gonets-M satellites spacecraft from other countries will be launched.

We are talking about the planned launch of the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit, which provide communication outside the coverage area of ​​mobile operators. At the same time, several satellites created by Russian universities, as well as spacecraft from Finland, the USA, Canada, Lithuania, the United Arab Emirates, and Germany for civil purposes will be launched as payloads.

- said in a statement.

Earlier it was announced plans to launch three Gonets-M satellites with a Soyuz-2.1b rocket by the end of 2019. Then, in 2020, another launch of Soyuz-2.1b was planned, also with three Messengers, and in 2021-2022, it was planned to launch six Messengers-M into orbit with two Angara-1.2 missiles, three vehicles each.

The satellites to be launched should be part of the Gonets-D1M global low-orbit satellite system, which is designed to provide communication and data transmission in remote and hard-to-reach areas, including the Far North. Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.


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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 12 September 2020 13: 42 New
    -3
    Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.

    Not so again ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 16: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Not so again ...


      New satellites are launched when old ones fail. Six new ones will go to the orbital reserve and will replace old satellites that are out of order.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 September 2020 16: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: slipped
        New satellites are launched upon failure of old ones.

        Do you want to say that eight satellites at once went out in the same order?
        1. slipped
          slipped 12 September 2020 16: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Do you want to say that eight satellites at once went out in the same order?


          Not. The satellites are small and can be launched in a cluster. On the 28th, the first launch of three vehicles into the reserve.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 12 September 2020 16: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            On the 28th, the first launch of three vehicles into the reserve.

            I understand it. But after all, a solid negative
            Currently, the group includes 11 satellites instead of 12, moreover 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed sro
            1. slipped
              slipped 12 September 2020 16: 39 New
              +8
              Quote: Lipchanin
              8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed


              It means excellent companions, since they work well outside the warranty. laughing And the negative - well, they try so hard. lol
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 12 September 2020 16: 42 New
                0
                Quote: slipped
                Quote: Lipchanin
                8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed


                It means excellent companions, since they work well outside the warranty. laughing And the negative - well, they try so hard. lol

                Okay, persuaded, everything is fine laughing
                1. slipped
                  slipped 12 September 2020 16: 49 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Okay, persuaded, everything is fine laughing


                  Two troikas this year fly to this group from the ground reserve. Those. they were made long ago. Some more devices are in production.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 12 September 2020 16: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    Two triplets this year fly to this group from the ground reserve.

                    Well, God bless them
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 12 September 2020 17: 40 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Well, God bless them


                      But God did not help the Americans and Chinese today:

                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 12 September 2020 21: 18 New
                        +2
                        Astra is a privately held startup that is only four years old.
                        Musk started in the same way.
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 12 September 2020 18: 37 New
        -1
        Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:
        The Russian government has authorized the use of military infrastructure to launch the Gonets-M spacecraft into orbit.

        The only good news is that this very military infrastructure exists, and not only provides its own needs, but is also capable of "lending a shoulder" to the civil one.
        1. slipped
          slipped 12 September 2020 18: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: vVvAD
          Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:


          What "failures"? laughing The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. lol Plesetsk is a military cosmodrome, there always launched by the military.
          1. vVvAD
            vVvAD 13 September 2020 12: 06 New
            -1
            I would use your optimism fellow
            Quote: slipped
            The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. lol Plesetsk is a military spaceport, the military is always launched there.

            So Yes. But Roscosmos has problems with a carriage and a small cart.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 12 September 2020 21: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: vVvAD
          The only good news is that this very military infrastructure exists, and not only provides its own needs, but is also capable of "lending a shoulder" to the civil one.

          I think you do not quite correctly assess the situation, because the "Gonets-M" system is a continuation of the program for the development of communication systems of the GRU General Staff, which used the "Strela-2" and "Strela-2M" systems back in Soviet times. Even then, a supply of satellites was envisaged for a threatened period or for an urgent build-up of an orbital group, which is why the capabilities of the Strategic Missile Forces were used for this, and not civilian structures, which simply could not provide the required promptness of launching into orbit. So the launch of the Gonets-M satellites by the Strategic Missile Forces is most likely just another test of the capabilities of our armed forces to carry out combat missions without the participation of civilian structures.
          1. slipped
            slipped 13 September 2020 23: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            So the launch of the Gonets-M satellites by the Strategic Missile Forces is most likely just another test of the capabilities of our armed forces to carry out combat missions without the participation of civilian structures.


            Not. At the Plesetsk cosmodrome there is a long-established chain of preparation of Gonets satellites for launch. They always flew from there. After the Rokot rocket launches were discontinued last year, the satellites were transferred to Soyuz-2, and since this is a middle-class rocket, they fly not alone, but together with other small spacecraft, which require permission to carry them. launch by the military.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 14 September 2020 11: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: slipped

              Not. At the Plesetsk cosmodrome there is a long-established chain of preparation of the Gonets satellites for launch.

              Such chains also existed in Soviet times, and as far as I know, the launch of small-sized satellites of the "Gonets" type by the Strategic Missile Forces was carried out even then.
              Quote: slipped
              then they are not flying alone, but together with other small spacecraft,

              It is natural not to put "air" into orbit - it is the usual economic calculation.
              Quote: slipped
              who need permission to launch them by the military.

              In fact, I was talking about something completely different - there are operational tasks that cannot be entrusted to civilian services, which is why they periodically launch missiles from the Strategic Missile Forces, where instead of a warhead there is another payload. I only assumed that this was done to check the readiness for such launches, especially since it was previously customary to have a stock of some military satellites for a special period. I think such a period is just possible in the near future.
              1. slipped
                slipped 14 September 2020 16: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: ccsr
                That is why they periodically launch missiles from the Strategic Missile Forces, where instead of a warhead there is another payload.


                Conversion rockets are not being launched now, Rokot-M is being prepared for launches, but since 2022.

                Quote: ccsr
                I only assumed that this was done to check the readiness for such launches, especially since it was previously customary to have a stock of some military satellites for a special period. I think such a period is just possible in the near future.


                "Gonets-D1M" is a "civil" communication system. Such a "military" system is called "Rodnik", where Strela-3M satellites are used.
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 13: 55 New
    17
    There is no hope for Roskosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation. After such messages, I will not be surprised at Rogozin's resignation and replacing him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 September 2020 13: 56 New
      11
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      After such messages, I will not be surprised to resign Rogozin and replace him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

      It doesn't sink ...
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 13: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        It doesn't sink ...

        It won't sink, but even though it flows to another place, it will carry it more imperceptibly.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 September 2020 13: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          , but at least by the current to another place, it will carry it more imperceptibly ..

          I would like to ... but somehow it does not demolish.
        2. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 12 September 2020 14: 23 New
          +7
          It is necessary to press the flush - it will drown.

          Rogozin - sent as ambassador to Burkina Faso. There he will not harm.
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 12 September 2020 14: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            It is necessary to press the flush - it will drown.
            Rogozin - sent as ambassador to Burkina Faso. There he will not harm.

            always and everywhere can harm! No wonder the expression - "Protection from the fool" appeared!
        3. PalBor
          PalBor 12 September 2020 16: 05 New
          +1
          In Skolkovo. They still work for the West. Let them hurt lol The main thing is to keep out of vaccines.
        4. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 12 September 2020 16: 51 New
          +1
          How is Marshal Taburetkin? Everything also floats.
      2. venik
        venik 12 September 2020 15: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        It doesn't sink ...

        ========
        Unfortunately no! DOESN'T Sink! ...... Although, by and large, all these "effective managers"- it is necessary to FLOOR! In the nearest reservoir!
        And so that all this "g ....." does not pop up - in the bag! With a sinker !!!
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 12 September 2020 14: 03 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      There is no hope for Roscosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications.

      I agree. With the same thought, I clicked on the headline of the news.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 September 2020 14: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      and replacing it with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces

      The best option
      1. good
        good 16 September 2020 05: 46 New
        0
        The military from the Aerospace Forces have other tasks.
    4. FenH
      FenH 12 September 2020 14: 41 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      There is no hope for Roskosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation. After such messages, I will not be surprised at Rogozin's resignation and replacing him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.

      IMHO.Since the construction of the cosmodrome for "SOYUZ" in French Guiana, the number of emergency launches at Baikonur and in general with "SOYUZ" has gone up the hill, everywhere, except for Guiana. It can be seen preparing a rocket for launch in Guiana is chocolateier than in Baikonur. For one, the French beat back their investments in the cosmodrome
    5. K-612-O
      K-612-O 12 September 2020 14: 46 New
      0
      Does Roscomos have free capacities? In addition to the messengers, other launches must also be provided. Vostochny is not finished yet, but Baikonur is already busy
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 12 September 2020 15: 02 New
        0
        Quote: K-612-O
        Does Roscomos have free capacities? In addition to the messengers, other launches must also be provided. Vostochny is not finished yet, but Baikonur is already busy

        But did one launch pad at Baikonur or the devastation "work" there too?
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 12 September 2020 16: 01 New
      0
      Rogozin is not up to the "Messengers" now, he urgently needs to knock out and master funds for the "sea launch". Such a tidbit is planned. "Vostochny", it seems, has already been pushed into the far corner.
    7. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 16: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      There is no hope for Roscosmos, but the country needs domestic satellite communications. I see no other explanation.


      The Gonets satellites have always been launched from Plesetsk. Previously, the conversion Rokot was used for this, now cluster launches have been ordered, together with other small spacecraft on Soyuz-2.

      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      After such messages, I will not be surprised to resign Rogozin and replace him with someone from the current military from the Aerospace Forces.


      I ran away. laughing
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2020 14: 12 New
    +1
    Even though the military is in complete order ... They will launch it on time and without "excesses" ...
  4. Doctor
    Doctor 12 September 2020 14: 19 New
    +2
    Roscosmos everything ...
    There and the road.
    Re-subordinate all VKS of the RF Ministry of Defense.
    Golovko is a very adequate Commander, he can handle 100%.
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 12 September 2020 14: 46 New
      +1
      Golovko is a very adequate Commander, can handle 100%


      It's just difficult to reassign (in terms of the result). It's like with the crew of a ship. If he "decayed", then the new commander is unlikely to help. Reforming is needed here. The entire existing "system" of ugliness must be destroyed. Dilute with new people. And to root out the notorious.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 12 September 2020 15: 31 New
        0
        It's just difficult to reassign (in terms of the result). It's like with the crew of a ship. If he "decayed", then the new commander is unlikely to help. Reforming is needed here. The entire existing "system" of ugliness must be destroyed. Dilute with new people. And to root out the notorious.

        No production capacity is needed, this is not typical for MO.
        TSENKI. Starts and controls.
    2. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 16: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Arzt
      Roscosmos everything ...


      Do the girls keep eating the cactus? laughing

      Meanwhile, at Baikonur, RSC Energia specialists continue work in accordance with the schedule of pre-flight tests of the Soyuz MS-17 manned transport vehicle (TPK).

  5. minus
    minus 12 September 2020 15: 07 New
    -1
    As far as I remember, the military always took them out of their cosmodromes. And as for the number, it should have been not even 12 but 24 for a long time. For full coverage of the territory and the absence of intervals between communication sessions. There were such statements in the mid-90s in 2003-2005 (I don't remember exactly, but there were several articles in the Radio magazine with an overview of the system)
    1. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 16: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Minus
      And as for the number, it should have been not even 12 but 24 long ago.


      No - 12 devices. In the new projected constellation, already of new spacecraft, 28 of them are planned. At the initial stage, it is planned to launch seven spacecraft into space at a time, later, to maintain the constellation in the normal mode, two or three. All launches will be carried out from the Vostochny cosmodrome.
      1. minus
        minus 13 September 2020 11: 56 New
        -1
        Initially, it was stated that 12 provide coverage only for the most northern latitudes. In the middle, there are large dips, at the equator it is very bad ... This is exactly what it was said in the presentation materials and the description in the magazine Radio. And it was then that the responsible workers voiced 24 satellites! And later it was announced about 24 to our time. And the fact that the dates are shifted ... This is not for me!
        1. slipped
          slipped 13 September 2020 23: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Minus
          And later it was announced about 24 to our time. And the fact that the dates are shifted ... This is not for me!


          The orbital group MSPSS "Gonets-D1M" consists of 12 low-orbit spacecraft (SC) "Gonets-M".

          Orbit type - circular, polar
          Orbital inclination - 82,5˚
          Orbital altitude - up to 1500 km
          Number of orbital planes - 4
          Number of spacecraft in the plane - 3
          Globe coverage - 100%
  6. Dikson
    Dikson 12 September 2020 15: 52 New
    -4
    It seems like a powerful corporation that devours money like a cadaver, it's time to disperse it to hell? Pre-projected and finalized ... Actually, the Americans seem to have completely abandoned our services for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS .. And, in fact, the military has its own Plesetsk .. - why do they need Vostochny?
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 September 2020 16: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      And, in fact, the military has its own Plesetsk ... - why do they need Vostochny?

      Duc was built for heavyweight! And it belongs to Roskosmos, not the military.
      1. slipped
        slipped 12 September 2020 16: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: businessv
        Duc was built for heavyweight! And it belongs to Roskosmos, not the military.


        The Moscow Region is also involved in the construction of Vostochny.
        1. businessv
          businessv 12 September 2020 19: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: slipped
          The Moscow Region is also involved in the construction of Vostochny.

          So what? Water to Simferopol was pulled exclusively by engineering troops, so Simferopol now belongs to the Ministry of Defense?
          1. slipped
            slipped 12 September 2020 20: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: businessv
            So what? Water to Simferopol was pulled exclusively by engineering troops, so Simferopol now belongs to the Ministry of Defense?


            And then. The military will also carry out launches from Vostochny.
            1. businessv
              businessv 12 September 2020 20: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: slipped
              The military will also carry out launches from Vostochny.

              And who denies something ?! We have not discussed this issue with you. hi Since there are several launch sites, it is natural that all the capabilities of the cosmodrome will be used to the fullest and it does not matter whether it is civilian or military. The main thing is that we will no longer pay for the rent of Baikonur, although it's a pity - the Cosmos began with it!
              1. slipped
                slipped 12 September 2020 20: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: businessv
                The main thing is that we will no longer pay for the rent of Baikonur, although it's a pity - the Cosmos began with it!


                who told you that? Baikonur leased until 2050.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 12 September 2020 20: 42 New
                  -2
                  Quote: slipped
                  Baikonur leased until the year 2050.

                  This does not mean that we cannot terminate the lease early. This is not a supply of natural gas, you know .... smile The previous question was closed, I suggest not raising new ones.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 12 September 2020 20: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: businessv
                    This does not mean that we cannot terminate the lease early.


                    Nobody is going, on the contrary, two new large international projects at Baikonur are planned in the near future.
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 12 September 2020 21: 07 New
                      -1
                      Quote: slipped
                      Nobody is going, on the contrary, two new large international projects at Baikonur are planned in the near future.
                      Only if it is profitable. Time is like that.
    2. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 16: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Dikson
      Actually, the Americans seem to have completely abandoned our services for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS ..


      On October 14, two of ours and one American are flying. laughing
  7. businessv
    businessv 12 September 2020 16: 17 New
    -2
    Currently, the constellation includes 11 satellites instead of 12, and 8 of them have already worked out the guaranteed period.
    Doesn't sound very optimistic! Even, I would say, it sounds bad!
    1. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 17: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: businessv
      Even, I would say, it sounds bad!


      The satellites work great. The manufacturer has even put on sale a case for emergency communication through the Gonets system with a wide range of tariffs.



      And you cry, cry. laughing
  8. slipped
    slipped 12 September 2020 17: 10 New
    +3
    In addition to domestic Messengers, 15 foreign spacecraft and 4 of our university spacecraft are flying in the launch, and they are very interesting in functionality:

  9. Bear
    Bear 12 September 2020 19: 21 New
    +1
    Good evening everyone. You can criticize Rogozin as much as you like, but before him, five "effective managers" were in the chair of the head of Roscosmos, you can specify the names from 1992 to 2018. Rogozin in 2018 inherited a completely collapsed industry. His statements about the trampoline are on the brink of a foul, he still did not fully understand what he was getting into. Believe me, in the two years that have passed as a leader, there has been a colossal change in the management and executive apparatus of the organization. This is not visible, and it is not advertised. May God grant health and strength to Dmitry Olegovich!
    1. slipped
      slipped 12 September 2020 20: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Orso
      May God grant health and strength to Dmitry Olegovich!


      Meanwhile, Roskosmos is gradually developing a nuclear space tug, the model of which was previously demonstrated at MAKS:









      1. Disant
        Disant 13 September 2020 02: 00 New
        -1
        will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?
        cooling - just flat panels or what's new?
        have something to read from the latter?
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 13 September 2020 04: 38 New
          -4
          Quote: Disant
          will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?
          cooling - just flat panels or what's new?
          have something to read from the latter?

          And it will be as before, they will put people on barrels of gasoline and thrown into space ...
        2. slipped
          slipped 13 September 2020 10: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Disant
          will there be a nuclear power plant in front or behind?


          Reactor with boom end converter, motors on service module.



          Quote: Disant
          cooling - just flat panels or what's new invented? is there something to read from the latter?


          The first demonstrator contains panels.
        3. slipped
          slipped 14 September 2020 23: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Disant
          have something to read from the latter?


          "cartoons" posted here:



          some points can be considered
          1. Disant
            Disant 15 September 2020 01: 19 New
            0
            some points can be considered

            good
            but before that, a few days before this video, I suddenly drew a power plant from behind. so I asked - in front or behind.
            .
            on micro-dust - it will remain behind or will fly away forwards, because TEM either accelerates for months or slows down (ideally)
      2. Disant
        Disant 14 September 2020 23: 07 New
        0
        slipped
        Meanwhile, Roskosmos is gradually developing a nuclear space tug, the model of which was previously demonstrated at MAKS:

        so what is going on - what kind of a mock-up - this is already in the shop THE REAL PRODUCT IS ASSEMBLED !!!
        wassat
  10. GREG68
    GREG68 12 September 2020 19: 33 New
    0
    Why not send us a messenger for a bottle of wine smile
  11. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 13 September 2020 04: 34 New
    -2
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: vVvAD
    Yes, this is sad - and once again testifies to the failures in the space industry:


    What "failures"? laughing The news says that new satellites will be launched soon, and you see a fig. lol Plesetsk is a military cosmodrome, there always launched by the military.

    Can you tell me where civilian spaceports? I'm not asking for foreign intelligence, for myself ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 13 September 2020 10: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      Can you tell me where civilian spaceports? I'm not asking for foreign intelligence, for myself ...


      At Baikonur, Vostochny and Kuru, launches are carried out by civil settlement from enterprises. In Plesetsk - a combat crew of the Aerospace Forces.
  12. 1536
    1536 14 September 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    Thoughts involuntarily arise that it is time for the military not only to send "Messengers" into space, but also to take a closer look at what is happening on earth.
    If events in the country follow the Belarusian or American scenarios, then the military will find themselves in the worst situation since the 1990s.
    I apologize for the excessive politicization of the comment.