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A competition has been announced in Russia for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum "Without Lenin"

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A competition has been announced in Russia for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum "Without Lenin"

A competition will be held in Russia for the best concept for the further use of the Lenin Mausoleum on Red Square. The competition was announced by the Union of Architects of Russia, according to Online organization.


The goal of the competition in the Union of Architects was called "the creation of a bank of ideas for the re-use of the mausoleum." Contestants are invited to transform the mausoleum into a branch of the Museum of Russian Architecture.

There is no political order for holding a competition for the concepts of re-use of the Lenin Mausoleum. The competition is a special project of the Zodchestvo festival and is designed to collect the maximum number of architectural ideas, no matter how ambiguous they may be

- said in a statement.

Participants of the competition are invited to develop a draft design for using the building of the mausoleum as a museum stories design and construction of all three versions of the mausoleum - plywood, wood and granite, as well as think over a route connecting the Museum of Russian Architecture and the mausoleum.

Applications for participation can be submitted until October 19, not only certified architects, artists, etc., but also ordinary citizens of Russia and the CIS countries are allowed to participate in the competition. Summing up the results of the competition is scheduled for November 13, the best works will be shown at the Zodchestvo festival from November 11 to 13.

The opinion is expressed online that the competition for the Mausoleum "without Lenin" is a provocation.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 September 2020 10: 41 New
    +9
    The best winner, no one does anything. It's a lie.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 12 September 2020 10: 44 New
      88
      I agree. Leave the Mausoleum alone, Herods. Hands off!
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 12 September 2020 10: 46 New
        -55
        In my opinion, Lenin should be reburied at the Kremlin wall or next to relatives, and the Mausoleum should be left as a monument to the era. It's not about some kind of political considerations, but I just personally don't like it when the deceased is on public view and the people, like an attraction, go to look at him. This is not good. First of all, it is not good for the living that they do this. So Lenin is finally buried in a human way, and you can continue to take excursions to the Mausoleum. I am against any display of the remains, including the relics of saints, and even more the worship of them. Even though he had been in Moscow for a long time, he had never been able to go to the Mausoleum.
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 12 September 2020 10: 53 New
          -39
          Aristarkh Ludwigovich. Well, they walk in different ways. Someone as an attraction, someone, mostly old people, as a monument to a great era, when our country was respected - for space, and for victory, and for ballet and much more. Wait until the old people die, not long left.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 September 2020 11: 52 New
            14
            "There is no political order for holding a competition for the concepts of re-use of the Lenin Mausoleum. The competition is a special project of the Zodchestvo festival and is designed to collect the maximum number of architectural ideas, no matter how ambiguous they may be."
            - said in a statement.

            Arrest and imprison the PROVOCATORS inside Russia itself, so that they don't even start discord inside the Russian Federation!
            The FSB and the prosecution authorities of the Russian Federation get down to business!
            Russia does not need the Second Tikhanovskys inside our country - and in the HEART of Russia itself!
            1. pereselenec
              pereselenec 12 September 2020 12: 16 New
              53
              Quote: Tatiana
              Arrest and imprison the PROVOCATORS inside Russia itself, so that they don't even start discord inside the Russian Federation!
              The FSB and the prosecution authorities of the Russian Federation get down to business!


              How will they arrest and jail Putin, who every May 9 bashfully nags the mausoleum with plywood? Are you out of your mind?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 12 September 2020 12: 24 New
                -25
                Quote: pereselenec

                How will they arrest and jail Putin, who every May 9 bashfully nags the mausoleum with plywood? Are you out of your mind?

                Do not compare Putin with the false Dmitry - with the Tikhanovskaya militia in Belarus - and with the "Soros" in the current Union of Architects of Russia!

                Do not chat up the state problem in an anarchist way!
                1. businessv
                  businessv 12 September 2020 12: 49 New
                  -20
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Do not chat up the state problem in an anarchist way!
                  Do not pay attention to the minuses, by the evening ours will catch up, fix the affairs of the sorobots. wink
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 12 September 2020 12: 57 New
                    +9
                    Quote: businessv
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do not chat up the state problem in an anarchist way!
                    Do not pay attention to the minuses, by the evening ours will catch up, fix the affairs of the sorobots. wink

                    So ... in your words ... I am "sorobot" ?! belay recourse
                    And here I am writing for the money of Russia's enemies ?! Paaaproshu mind you - FREE !!! writing bully
                    Where can I go, what would I be paid for my posts here ?! wassat
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 12 September 2020 13: 08 New
                      -10
                      Quote: Crown without virus
                      So ... in your words ... I am "sorobot" ?!
                      And here I am writing for the money of Russia's enemies ?! Paaaproshu mind you - FREE !!! writing
                      Where can I go, what would I be paid for my posts here ?!

                      Weeds are not looked after - they grow on their own without irrigation and fertilizers!
                      Such is their Sorosin "breed" - everything useful grows across and stifles everything else and useful at its root for domination and freedom!
                      1. Varyag71
                        Varyag71 14 September 2020 10: 52 New
                        +2
                        how much does ep pay you?
                    2. businessv
                      businessv 12 September 2020 14: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Crown without virus
                      So ... in your words ... I am "sorobot" ?!
                      And here I am writing for the money of Russia's enemies ?! Paaaproshu mind you - FREE !!! writing
                      And where is it written that you are a sorobot, except for you? laughing I wrote exclusively to Tatiana! Although, if you are also Tatiana .... love And then, I did not write about posts, as you can see, I answer to them! I wrote about the cons. There is a minus, there should be a post, as I understand it, and I do it myself in most cases. hi
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 14 September 2020 09: 48 New
                        -1
                        Quote: businessv
                        Do not pay attention to the minuses, by the evening ours will catch up, fix the affairs of the sorobots.

                        You wrote:

                        Do not pay attention to the minuses, by the evening ours will catch up, fix the sorosobots. wink


                        1. I gave Tatyana a minus for the post - I admit it !!! hi
                        2. But I gave Tatiana a minus for the post only and exclusively because I am a patriot of Russia !!! soldier
                      2. businessv
                        businessv 15 September 2020 19: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        But I gave Tatyana a minus for the post only and exclusively because I am a patriot of Russia !!!

                        So Tatiana wrote about the "sorosites", worrying about the disadvantages, but I called them sorosobots in order to calm a person. This did not apply to you personally! smile If offended, forgive generously! hi
                      3. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 15 September 2020 20: 26 New
                        -1
                        Quote: businessv
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        But I gave Tatyana a minus for the post only and exclusively because I am a patriot of Russia !!!

                        So Tatiana wrote about the "sorosites", worrying about the disadvantages, but I called them sorosobots in order to calm a person. This did not apply to you personally! smile If offended, forgive generously! hi

                        Forgive !!! drinks hi
            2. Revival
              Revival 12 September 2020 12: 52 New
              38
              So who is nailing the plywood, Tihanovskaya ?!
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 12 September 2020 14: 47 New
                -19
                Quote: Revival
                So who is nailing the plywood, Tihanovskaya ?!

                Tikhanovskaya has already surrendered R.Belarus to the Poles and Litvin - not yet starting to rule!
                Tikhaovskaya is a false Dmitry of the 21st century!
                And Putin, although he drapes at the military parades the Lenin Mausoleum, has not yet surrendered the country to the enemies of Russia in the West in contrast to Gorbachev and Yeltsin!
                And at the same time you troll Putin not as a diplomat-statesman, but as a thoughtless Russian anarchist-extremist or, conversely, a foreign anti-Russian provocateur.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 12 September 2020 18: 04 New
                  +8
                  Am I trolling?
                  Everything is clear with you, thank you
                2. Revival
                  Revival 12 September 2020 18: 15 New
                  +1
                  That is, you think that Lithuania and Poland want to join Belarus to themselves?
                  1. Igor Semenov
                    Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 02: 08 New
                    0
                    Undoubtedly, there are endless potato fields, swamps and also the economy, into which 8-10 billion must be poured annually. laughing laughing
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 12 September 2020 15: 25 New
                -6
                Quote: Revival
                So who is nailing the plywood, Tihanovskaya ?!
                It was said
                Quote: pereselenecl
                Putin .., who every May 9 bashfully nails up the mausoleum with plywood
                So I imagined: on May 9, he walks bashfully along Red Square, with a hammer in his hands, nails in his pocket and dragging a sheet of plywood behind him ...
                1. Tochilka
                  Tochilka 12 September 2020 16: 21 New
                  +6
                  Rather, the described action should take place on the night of the 9th. In the morning already the formation of troops, Parade. Palevo in general wassat
            3. Igor Semenov
              Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 01: 58 New
              +1
              Wow you, madam, carries! laughing
          2. Azis
            Azis 12 September 2020 23: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: pereselenec
            which every May 9, bashfully nailing up the mausoleum with plywood?
            Everything is on self-tapping screws, so that you can then disassemble and assemble. And no nails!
            1. solzh
              solzh 14 September 2020 01: 10 New
              11
              Quote: Azis
              Everything is on self-tapping screws,

              It's not about nails or screws. The point is in the "drapery" of the Mausoleum. Those who close the Mausoleum are simply afraid of Lenin. yes
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 12 September 2020 13: 04 New
          14
          Madam, don't go crazy, it's not 37 years now, yet ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 September 2020 13: 20 New
            -22
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Madam, don't go crazy, it's not 37 years now, yet ...

            Well, then hand over the country to mice, "sorosets", you are our false patriotic!
            Let's see how and who will allow you!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 12 September 2020 13: 24 New
              18
              Madam, are you at least aware of the delirium that you carry? Take a sedative and re-read yourself, this is a clinic, no offense, be it said.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 12 September 2020 13: 30 New
                -14
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Madam, are you at least aware of the delirium that you carry? Take a sedative and re-read yourself, this is a clinic, no offense, be it said.

                I understand very well what an uneducated person like you I am dealing with. This is a historical and political "clinic" in your brain, if you are, of course, not a foreigner-bot!
                In your opinion, if the year is not 1937, then there is no need to defend the country from enemies ?!
                Do you need to destabilize the situation in the Russian Federation? Is this what you strive for? Did Russia lose few territories after the collapse of the USSR? What else do you need?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 September 2020 14: 53 New
                  29
                  Lord ... "educated person", yes you live as you want in your little world, only our country, unfortunately, has long since passed, and you still cannot understand this. Putin is the savior of Russia - that's for sure, you can go crazy.
                  1. Tochilka
                    Tochilka 12 September 2020 16: 23 New
                    13
                    We handed it over - making it a raw material and financial donor to all the surrounding countries? recourse
                  2. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 12 September 2020 16: 54 New
                    -14
                    Quote: Tochilka
                    We handed it over - making it a raw material and financial donor to all the surrounding countries? recourse

                    Well, it was not Putin who personally surrendered the country to the West, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Putin accepted from them and from their hands such a country - such Russia!
                  3. Revival
                    Revival 12 September 2020 18: 07 New
                    19
                    Well then, according to your logic, all the rules, right?
                    I can imagine that the doctor accepted a patient with an illness, then, why didn't he cure it, it wasn't because of me that he got sick, why should I treat him, I took him sick ...
                  4. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 September 2020 09: 18 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Revival
                    Well then, according to your logic, all the rules, right?
                    I can imagine that the doctor accepted a patient with an illness, then, why didn't he cure it, it wasn't because of me that he got sick, why should I treat him, I took him sick ...

                    No, not ok!
                    What country are you from? From Russia, Belarus, Ukraine? What do you have about Russia and the world in the sense of being informed, some complete communist suck and nothing new? You are not well versed in Marxism; you don’t understand the dialectical-materialist method and don’t know how to use it in the new historical conditions with your revolutionary false starts (Wrong beginning).
                    How are you going to get out of this situation historically? Do you want to fall into the country in general to turn into anarchy, so that the enemies take us with their bare hands? Where is your golden mean?
                    Do you have an ideology for which the working masses and the armed forces would follow you? Do you have a program for rebuilding the country that is different from Khodorkovsky and Navalgiy? You have none of this.
                    Then why are you nihilistically whining and simply muddying the minds of the people with anarchism?
                    You are Tikhanovskaya-2! For everything good against everything bad! With such good intentions the road to hell stretches. Dostoevsky such as you called demons.

                    Deputy Fedorov: Russia LIVES UNDER AMERICAN LAWS • Dec 14. 2017 year
                  5. Revival
                    Revival 13 September 2020 11: 12 New
                    +7
                    That's it!
                    Eureka!
                    Seeing this (in the picture of the video), I understood everything ... well, I didn’t accidentally click on the play, otherwise I wouldn’t wash myself out of the abomination).
                    this is a diagnosis and its own little world ...
                    Sorry to bother you, I didn't know ...
                  6. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 September 2020 12: 09 New
                    -3
                    Exactly! This is your own little world.
                    If you do not know how to analyze all the points of view of various analysts and separate the grain from the chaff, then do not take it, otherwise you will just ruin everything - and it will be in Russia, as in Ukraine!

                    What are you in this case against Evgeny Fedorov? What do you think is wrong with him?
                    You yourself should have his political literacy and experience!

                    Agent Gorbachev Evgeny Fyodorov Apr 4. 2013 Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent and hero of America.


                    Rostislav Ischenko: Ukraine is ruled by tens of thousands of militants. • Jan 7. 2017
                  7. Revival
                    Revival 13 September 2020 12: 50 New
                    +3
                    I can analyze analysts, but not any abomination, nonsense and snitch
                  8. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 September 2020 13: 00 New
                    -2
                    And who do you think is the "snitch"? And the informer on whom exactly? And for what reason? And in what cases?
                    You still haven't answered my question, why don't you like Evgeny Fedorov?
                    Quote: Revival
                    Seeing this (in the picture of the video), I understood everything ... well, I didn’t accidentally click on the play, otherwise I wouldn’t wash myself out of the abomination).

                    What do you understand Evgeny Fedorov says wrong?
                    In my understanding and in my expert-political outlook, he speaks in this case more than absolutely politically competent.

                    And from which country did you not answer me either? I suspect you are not from Russia.
                  9. Revival
                    Revival 13 September 2020 14: 03 New
                    +4
                    Watch his interview against the background of Platoshkin's arrest, there is no need to think it over, he himself does not hesitate to confess, then he fights, a disgrace in general ...
                    And the nonsense that he carries ...
                    So there is simply no bottom
                  10. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 13 September 2020 14: 17 New
                    -5
                    Thank! I will definitely look. But if it doesn't bother you, then maybe you can throw me a link - always with the TITLE of the video itself. Otherwise, I do not track Evgeny Fedorov in all cases and for various reasons. And also Platoshkina too. Platoshkin also did not have everything in his theoretical views methodologically favorable, so I lost interest in him over time.
                    The fact is that not a single political movement in Russia, and in the world as well, has corrected the theoretical mistakes of the classics in the theory of minerals. And there are some very serious mistakes. Stalin was the closest to correcting these mistakes of theirs at one time.
    2. AUL
      AUL 13 September 2020 02: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Tatiana
      Well, it was not Putin who personally surrendered the country to the West, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Putin accepted from them and from their hands such a country - such Russia!

      Can't do anything for 20 years?
    3. solzh
      solzh 14 September 2020 01: 10 New
      11
      Quote: AUL
      Can't do anything for 20 years?

      20 years is too short, they do not have time ... Moreover, the Soviet legacy has not yet been fully "mastered" bully
    4. Magus
      Magus 14 September 2020 20: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: solzh
      the Soviet legacy has not yet been fully "mastered"

      And when the Soviet legacy ends, they will start new reforms laughing
  2. Magus
    Magus 14 September 2020 20: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: AUL
    Can't do anything for 20 years?

    How is that nothing? And new branches of gas pipelines. wink
  3. demo
    demo 14 September 2020 10: 51 New
    +3
    Dear Tatyana.
    Why nod at those who have not taken part in anything for 20-30 years?
    Let's remember the USSR after the Second World War.
    For 10 years, the country has risen from ruins.
    So there was a war and cities under "0" were erased from the face of the earth.
    More than 20 million people died.
    And then a giant leap was made.
    I will not say anything about atomic weapons and about space.
    And what has been done in our country in 20 years.
    Ate-ate gathered the country in a heap.
    But for what?

    Putin has cleared the "field of activity" for those with whom his "appointment" was agreed - with the bankers of Western countries.

    "... The cleanup of the banking sector, which began after Elvira Nabiullina took office in 2013, contributed to the reduction in the number of bank employees. According to the Deposit Insurance Agency, from 2014 to the first half of 2016, 179 banking organizations were liquidated, of which 31 banks lost the right to work in the first half of 2016. In 2014-2015, 28 liquidation procedures were completed, 32 organizations underwent reorganization (two banks in the first half of 2016). In 2,5 years, about 120 thousand were dismissed from large and medium-sized banks. people or about 15% of bank employees. By October 5, 2016, there were 600 banking organizations in Russia, by March 29, 2018 - less than 500, by February 1, 2020 - 396 ... "
    ".. As of July 1, 2007, about 21,3% of the total authorized capital of Russian credit institutions belongs to foreigners ..."
    Do you know how much today? 80%!
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    By the time VVP came to power, about 10000 mini refineries were operating in the Russian Federation.
    For 10 years, the number of refineries has decreased to 1000.
    Optimization only led to that. that the quality of petroleum products has not improved, but prices have increased several times.

    So what got better?

    Industrial enterprises, which are of interest to the Western banking sector, as objects that give dizzying profits, after some manipulations, end up in the ownership of the same bankers.
    70% of RF industry is owned by Western financiers.

    An enterprise such as the Krasnoyarsk Aluminum Plant is 98% owned by Americans.

    For this, are you ready to wash your feet VVP and drink this water?
  4. Tatyana
    Tatyana 14 September 2020 12: 59 New
    0
    And what do you suggest? Start a revolution with the system? How? With the help of Navalny, Khodorkovsky and the "Soros" to finish the country in the final turmoil? Let me remind you that Zyuganov won the election against Yeltsin in 1996! And why did he then give up power, giving in to Yeltsin? As an expert, I know the leadership of the Communist Party very well - they are still renegades! Not completely, of course, they slipped into apostasy, but very significantly. Their mild passivity to the intrigues of the Russian Orthodox Church in the merging of religious confessions with the state is worth something!
    As for the mausoleum.
    It is categorically impossible to remove Lenin from the mausoleum, especially now.
    Lenin in the mausoleum is an ideological fetish, like a flag, of the Soviet regime and the socialist system. Naturally, therefore, the mausoleum with Lenin is a beam in the eye of the believers and the oligarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church and the leaders of the current bourgeois state in the Russian Federation. In Russia, the bourgeoisie is divided into two wings: national and globalist-Yeltsin.
    So far Putin is not so much a globalist, but rather a national bourgeoisie in the Russian Federation. This is the lesser of two evils.
    Under PUTIN, the RF Armed Forces began to recover, defeated under Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    As for the Russian Union of Architects, it has long turned into a foreign NGO under the Russian Federation. The idea of ​​supposedly preserving the mausoleum itself while taking out Lenin's body is aimed at simply speeding up the removal of Lenin from the mausoleum. Why are architects suddenly so concerned about this? But because it is connected with the pro-Western opposition demonstration events in R, Belarus and is directed against the reunification of Belarus with Russia. Namely.
    Lukashenko preserved in Belarus the people's property, state enterprises and social guarantees for the working people - the features of the Soviet socialist state. And if Lenin is taken out of the mausoleum, then the pro-Russian-Soviet Belarusians will be signaled not to reunite with Russia. This is a provocation of the West against our countries - aimed at breaking the Republic of Belarus with Russia.
  5. Tatyana
    Tatyana 14 September 2020 13: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: demo
    Why nod at those who have not taken part in anything for 20-30 years?

    In case of refusal to take Lenin's body out of the mausoleum, I also fully agree with the communists and with the true patriots of the Russian Federation. Namely.
    Previously XNUMXYuganov, commenting on the initiative of the Union of Architects, stated that the announced competition contradicts the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the continuity and continuity of history, and indicated that the authors of such proposals, in fact, "set fire to the inside of the country."
    Member of the Federation Council Alexei Kondratyev called the initiative of the Union of Architects by "ideological sabotage". Noting that not a communist, the senator stated that an attempt to present the Mausoleum as an architectural monument crosses out its significance as a historical monument and a whole layer of ideology.
    "The belittling of the Mausoleum's significance, I believe, is a deliberate attempt to devalue a whole period of our history, which against the background of changes in our Constitution is an ideological sabotage," Kondratyev is quoted as saying.
    See like - Zyuganov was reminded of Lenin's will -
    https://www.vesti.ru/article/2457224?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffrom%3Dspecial&utm_source=YandexZenSpecial
  6. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 14 September 2020 13: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Tatiana
    then the pro-Russian-Soviet Belarusians this will be a signal not to reunite with Russia.

    + + + good here it is the language of symbols ...
  7. Vadim237
    Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 20 New
    -3
    "Have they passed it - by making it a raw material and financial donor to all surrounding countries?" Well, of course - only the USSR was the donor of all of the above and not only for 120 countries of the world for 30 years giving all this for free coconut barter and loyalty - at least Russia receives money for all of the above.
  8. Tochilka
    Tochilka 12 September 2020 20: 04 New
    12
    Palm oil and shish technology!
  9. Vadim237
    Vadim237 13 September 2020 11: 28 New
    -6
    We buy equipment for every "taste" and "color", and we develop our technologies and our own in all directions. Palm oil is imported to Russia. Entrepreneurs import it. The state does not buy it.
  10. solzh
    solzh 14 September 2020 01: 11 New
    11
    Quote: Vadim237
    We buy equipment

    It is more profitable to establish your own production than to buy from foreigners. In fact, when we buy equipment from abroad, we sponsor them, not ourselves.
  11. Magus
    Magus 14 September 2020 20: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: solzh
    It is more profitable to set up production

    The country is profitable, but the oligarchs are not. This is a very high cost of setting up production. They are used to selling quickly and making a profit.
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 12 September 2020 16: 01 New
    18
    Quote: Tatiana
    then it is not necessary to defend the country from enemies ?!
    Do you need to destabilize the situation in the Russian Federation? Is this what you strive for? Did Russia lose few territories after the collapse of the USSR? What else do you need?

    In my opinion, all reasonable people already understand that the main enemies of our country are inside the country, and they are feeding all sorts of inadequate pseudo-patriots who are screaming about some mythical soros. You'd better fight with garbage on the side of the road and mow the hogweed, if you so want the benefits for your homeland.
    The situation in the Russian Federation is already destabilized. Only the most ardent consumers are careful not to notice this. And thanks to your efforts, we will soon begin to lose territory.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 12 September 2020 16: 34 New
      -11
      Quote: rzzz
      In my opinion, all reasonable people already understand that the main enemies of our country are inside the country, and they are feeding all sorts of inadequate pseudo-patriots who are screaming about some mythical soros.
      And what do you personally propose to do to prevent and correct this in the country?
      Do you propose to take the side of Navalny - and namaydan across the country, as in Ukraine in 2014?
      Or do you propose to make a pro-Western STATE REVOLUTION in the Russian Federation, like the pollinated and olivine oppositionists in the Republic of Belarus?
      On what shisha and under whose leadership will you make your GOSPEREVOROT in Russia? Under the leadership of Navalny or with the money of Khodorkovsky, behind which are the special services of Zapal - Soros and NATO?

      "Politics is the art of the possible!" - as the pragmatist Bismak said.
    2. Revival
      Revival 12 September 2020 18: 11 New
      +7
      That is, if any actions for the benefit of the country are possible, then only under the leadership of Soros, Bulk, etc.?
      And in general, what does the "Maidan" have to do with it, we are all against the Maidans.

      And so you propose to stand still and have nothing to do? And then whatever happened, well, it's clear ...
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 13 September 2020 01: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Revival
      And so you propose to stand still and have nothing to do? And then whatever happened, well, it's clear ...

      standing still is better than doing something without knowing why ... Playing, for example, on the desire to return to Socialism, you can get a civil war in which it is not a fact that his fans will win. The ideology of consumerism, you know ... it's like a virus in the public mind. Suggest a method of struggle
    4. Revival
      Revival 13 September 2020 03: 18 New
      +4
      I don’t think you can do something without knowing (at least for yourself) why.
      And yes, standing still, there is degradation and defeat.
      This option does not work ..
    5. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 13 September 2020 07: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Revival
      And yes, standing still, there is degradation and defeat.

      + Non progredy est regredy - Latin good I hope no translation is needed? I really want to believe that we have not regress, but a stop on the way, necessary to reflect on the situation. Our entire policy is tied to pipes, the next stream is presented as a victory, and life shows that neither the East nor the West needs us. It is obvious that a change in such a policy will only end with a change in policy smile But before that, it is necessary to choose landmarks and candidates.
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 14 September 2020 21: 23 New
    +1
    Listen, why do you dislike Navalny so much, why can't you eat? Explain the reason for your hatred, maybe I, too, will penetrate and I will hate.
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 15 September 2020 00: 08 New
    0
    Quote: rzzz
    why do you not like Navalny so much ...?

    Navalny is the agents of Western special services, whose task is to destabilize the political situation in the Russian Federation, GOSPEREVOROT with the coming to power in the Russian Federation of an absolutely pro-Western obedient colonial administration. Navalny himself is a morally unscrupulous bug with a long-standing dual citizenship (of the Russian Federation and Lithuania)!
    I will not talk about him, Better watch these videos about Navalny.

    Belarusian protest militants | The real environment of Navalny and not only | Karnaukhov's Labyrinth 14.09.2020/11/XNUMX See from XNUMX min.


    Navalny and "Navalnism" | The situation in Belarus | Whom does Pashinyan not love? | SMERSH | # 13 • Live: 28 Aug. 2020
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 15 September 2020 20: 46 New
    +1
    Listen, the enemies in our country are not the mythical "agents of the Western special services." This agency, if it exists, then freely walks around the country and no one fights with it. The real enemies are our fellow citizens, and we, unfortunately, almost lost the war with them. War for people and their brains. And people like you are direct evidence of this failure. The percentage of patrioidiots will increase a little more - and we will definitely turn into a banana colony.
    I would advise reading the works of the classics of science fiction, looking for analogies. But I'm afraid this is not your level of literature.
  • Magus
    Magus 14 September 2020 20: 55 New
    +8
    Quote: rzzz
    the main enemies of our country are inside the country

    Russia has many enemies both inside the country and abroad. So it turns out that the people of Russia are opposed to everyone, but our people have no allies.
  • businessv
    businessv 12 September 2020 14: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Madam, don't go crazy, it's not 37 years now, not yet ..
    Konstantin, be a man, and therefore, be more correct with women, we have few of them here, so they must be protected, and not insulted! Women live by emotions, men by reason, so you must understand and explain this, in case of their excesses, and not attack. hi
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 12 September 2020 16: 51 New
      +8
      Quote: businessv
      be a man, and therefore, be more correct with women, we have few of them here, so they must be protected,

      "Tatiana" is not a woman. According to the style of the text - a man of age slightly above average, about 50-55 years old. I communicate with a couple of these periodically. One-to-one texts.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 13 September 2020 09: 33 New
        0
        Quote: rzzz
        Quote: businessv
        be a man, and therefore, be more correct with women, we have few of them here, so they must be protected,

        "Tatiana" is not a woman. According to the style of the text - a man of age slightly above average, about 50-55 years old. I communicate with a couple of these periodically. One-to-one texts.

        Well, you found something to justify yourself !!!
        You are not a man, but just a boor.
        Correctly Vadim made a remark to you. Thanks to him!
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 12 September 2020 16: 37 New
    20
    Wait until the old people die, not long left.
    Do not wait .....
    1. Magus
      Magus 14 September 2020 20: 55 New
      +8
      Quote: 72jora72
      Do not wait .....

      good It is correct. They must live long for evil. May God grant everyone health.
  • zenion
    zenion 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
    +5
    Aristarchus pretends that he is not in the know, that the inscription will be interrupted and used for its intended purpose. there is a mausoleum for the first traitor in the former Sverdlovsk, and in Moscow it will be for himself, for himself ...
  • WIKI
    WIKI 12 September 2020 10: 55 New
    32
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    and the people, like an attraction, go to look at it.

    There are some. But most do so because of the recognition of his role in history.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 12 September 2020 11: 27 New
      0
      Quote: WIKI
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      and the people, like an attraction, go to look at it.

      There are some. But most do so because of the recognition of his role in history.

      ===
      so his role and personality are not denied even by enemies. another thing is that the body / remains should be buried after all. the mausoleum itself is a monument to Lenin and the era.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 12: 03 New
        38
        it's another matter that the body / remains should still be buried

        What can you say about the Peter and Paul Fortress and the church "relics"? Is it time too? Or is "justice" now "selective", excuse me, "zeroed"? The ignorant who spit on their History are doomed to extermination and extinction. As a species.
        1. Sergei 23
          Sergei 23 12 September 2020 12: 12 New
          -30
          You dear, do not confuse "God's gift" with a tram handle. They also compared the relics of the saints and the body ...
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 12: 15 New
            29
            Science and education is a great gift. And not obscurantism. Your "body" is in no way out of place. You swim shallowly in order to judge such things, dear man.
            1. Sergei 23
              Sergei 23 12 September 2020 12: 33 New
              -16
              Well then, explain in what way science and education is connected with the storage of this body for everyone to see? It is necessary to bury, but even better to cremate this is my personal opinion. And don't forget to deliver the minus.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 13 September 2020 02: 05 New
                +8
                Quote: Sergey 23
                Well then, explain in what way science and education is connected with the storage of this body for everyone to see?

                LENIN is a symbol of a certain type of state structure, which, by the way, has shown itself very well for a certain period of time. The idea of ​​universal equality and brotherhood was offered to the world, not a democracy conducted from abroad. Unfortunately, the gerontocrats did not manage to govern the country, they did not turn to Science and the Enlightenment to develop the theory of a socialist state, as a result, the Dark Forces won. Lenin's body makes you think about the question - "Who are we?" The church, which canonized Nicholas 2, proposes to bury and forget the founder of the state. Where is the principle of the builder of communism growing out of 10 commandments taken as the moral basis of education? wassat
                1. Magus
                  Magus 14 September 2020 20: 56 New
                  +9
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  state structure, which, by the way, showed itself very well

                  It's so good that we still live on his legacy.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 12 September 2020 12: 35 New
              -32
              Quote: lexus
              Your "body" is in no way out of place.

              So he did not say a word about HIS body .... Trolls or what?
              You swim shallowly in order to judge such things, dear man.

              And who determines this, are you? And how do you know that he is a young man?
              And in the article, the author clearly wrote in Russian:
              not only certified architects, artists, etc., but also ordinary citizens of Russia and the CIS countries are allowed to participate in the competition

              I think nothing needs to be changed, let Vova lie in the mausoleum ..... he will suffer ... I would also put Stalin, "marked", BNE and living Chubais there, even if schoolchildren and students tell the story of Soviet Russia, the USSR and the early Russian Federation study ....
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 12 September 2020 16: 43 New
                22
                .I would still go there Stalin, "tagged", BNE and living Chubais
                I think that Vissarionovich will not agree to be with these nonentities ...
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 12 September 2020 16: 53 New
                  -6
                  Quote: 72jora72
                  .I would still go there Stalin, "tagged", BNE and living Chubais
                  I think that Vissarionovich will not agree to be with these nonentities ...

                  I think no one would agree ... one is worth the other ...
                2. Lexus
                  Lexus 12 September 2020 17: 50 New
                  10
                  Vissarionovich will not agree to be with these nonentities ...

                  What will stand up and directly declare ... as a result of which the "rats" will have a pestilence.
          2. Revival
            Revival 12 September 2020 12: 53 New
            +6
            Where do you see the difference?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 13 September 2020 02: 17 New
              +7
              Quote: Revival
              Where do you see the difference?

              Lenin's body and power - symbolize different things. More than one generation knew the words "Lenin lived, Lenin lived, Lenin will live" The idea of ​​a socialist structure of the state was perceived as completely normal. There is such a principle in sociology: if you want to impose something on society, change something familiar to something unusual, move the deep level of public consciousness from the fulcrum, and create. By the way, the Church also acts on the same principle. lol the difference is that some symbols make one live for the sake of Faith in heaven and the Church, and others for the happiness of descendants.
              1. Magus
                Magus 14 September 2020 20: 57 New
                +9
                Quote: aybolyt678
                for the happiness of descendants

                In Soviet times, they lived and worked for the sake of their descendants. Now, alas, for the sake of consumption ...
          3. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 12 September 2020 14: 23 New
            21
            and who and for what reason appointed them "saints"? Aren't you colleagues of those who are now churning out churches three times a day across the country? Are not those who compare atheists with animals? not those who have faces in the monitor do not intermeddle from the "righteous life"? Aren't those who call for money-grubbing and other things, while everything is in gold and in luxury cars?
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon 12 September 2020 15: 13 New
            15
            Quote: Sergey 23
            They also compared the relics of the saints and the body ...

            And the relics are not the same remains as the body? Lenin is also a saint for someone.
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 12 September 2020 12: 50 New
          -8
          Quote: lexus
          it's another matter that the body / remains should still be buried

          What can you say about the Peter and Paul Fortress and the church "relics"? Is it time too? Or is "justice" now "selective", excuse me, "zeroed"? The ignorant who spit on their History are doomed to extermination and extinction. As a species.

          ===
          and what Lenin's church canonized, or a new religious trend was formed - Leninism?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 12 September 2020 13: 01 New
            -12
            Quote: Victorio
            Quote: lexus
            it's another matter that the body / remains should still be buried

            What can you say about the Peter and Paul Fortress and the church "relics"? Is it time too? Or is "justice" now "selective", excuse me, "zeroed"? The ignorant who spit on their History are doomed to extermination and extinction. As a species.

            ===
            and what Lenin's church canonized, or a new religious trend was formed - Leninism?

            those who will put cons to you now are its adherents ...
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 12 September 2020 13: 39 New
              +5
              Quote: Lara Croft
              those who will put the cons to you now are it adepts.

              ===
              officially this is a teaching, for now. and extremes are everywhere.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 11 New
            19
            church canonized

            I also have a "fake authority". The canonization of Lenin by the Russian Orthodox Church OJSC would look like the crowning of an honest policeman by crooks. Rage further. Until.
            1. Tochilka
              Tochilka 12 September 2020 19: 29 New
              12
              The ROC is similar in structure to ZAO. Something like Chubais's Oskolkovo. There is no particular benefit, subsidies are fat from the state and the chiefs are mired in luxury and arrogance. And if you remember that in the 90s they were allowed to trade in alcohol and cigarettes without paying taxes, then in general "oil painting". Pure oligarchs with crosses on their belly. And V.I. Lenin strongly does not allow them to live in peace, by their presence.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 12 September 2020 20: 05 New
                15
                The ROC is similar in structure to a closed joint-stock company

                hi Made an inaccuracy. Thanks for the fix. And for the apt comment! good
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 13 September 2020 02: 25 New
              +7
              Quote: lexus
              OJSC "ROC"

              really act like competitors. But they resemble the Communist Party at sunset. There are many churches, but no deep Faith. If the Church had another goal besides its own prosperity, for example, the prosperity of the country, then Lenin and Stalin would be canonized. wassat
          3. Rzzz
            Rzzz 12 September 2020 16: 12 New
            18
            Quote: Victorio
            a new religious movement has formed - Leninism

            And why is Lenin worse? Let him be worshiped. At least the ideas in his philosophy are more robust than in many religions. And anyway - more modern. And less distorted by numerous rewrites.
            1. Magus
              Magus 14 September 2020 20: 57 New
              +8
              Quote: rzzz
              the ideas in his philosophy are more robust than in many religions. And anyway - more modern.

              good Wonderful words!
          4. Tochilka
            Tochilka 12 September 2020 16: 25 New
            17
            Surprisingly, the Rag-Tsar was canonized. I even saw an icon !!! wassat
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 25 New
              -5
              And that - in fact, most of the population does not care about him or about Lenin.
            2. Magus
              Magus 14 September 2020 20: 59 New
              +8
              Quote: Tochilka
              Surprisingly, the Rag-Tsar was canonized.

              His canonization was a purely political step for the sake of unification with the foreign church of the White emigre traitors.
          5. Revival
            Revival 13 September 2020 03: 25 New
            +3
            And where does the church canonize or not, in this matter it is generally not essential.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 September 2020 15: 14 New
          -29
          Quote: lexus
          What about the Peter and Paul Fortress and the church "relics"?

          The worship of holy relics is a sacrament and a need for the spiritual life of a believer.

          People turn to the holy relics with the most intimate aspirations, pray for their most important, most spiritual and vital, most dear, most important, pray for their loved ones, and so on - and they know that before the holy relics, where is the special power of Divine grace, their prayers come true.

          They need this for their SPIRITUAL life.

          And what kind of ... "spiritual" life is near ... the exhibit on display, which people come to gaze at allwho is not too lazy?

          And yes, it is no longer possible to bury it: this is a scientific object, on which hundreds of long-term scientific experiments have been carried out, for which it must be preserved. Just for the Peter the Great Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography of the Russian Academy of Sciences

          And yes 90% is already artificial object - there have long been no eyes, no brain, no organs, no fluids, nothing, biomaterials have been replaced with artificial ones .... What to talk about?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 16 New
            17
            "Your cow" would be silent - she, except for "undigested food", can give nothing else. This is, to say the least, unethical and ... like a pig.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 12 September 2020 16: 31 New
              -21
              Quote: lexus
              "Your cow" and keep quiet - she, in addition to "undigested food", nothing else can give out.

              Aha, I understood: in your head you only ... eat.

              Like there: "The blow was delivered with a blunt hard object, possibly a HEAD" " yes .
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 12 September 2020 17: 19 New
                +9
                Yeah, got it

                This is definitely not about you. Everything is upside down and "for sale". Nature has rested.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 13 September 2020 02: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            People turn to holy relics with deepest aspirations

            what innermost aspirations can a modern person have? - health, money, good luck to yourself and your loved ones! Lenin is a symbol of self-sacrifice for the happiness of all working people! at least that's how it was interpreted. What's wrong with that than it is worse than the holy relics? Or maybe this is a variant of the natural development of the ideas of Orthodoxy, rejected by the enemies of Russia?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 13 September 2020 08: 47 New
              -12
              Quote: aybolyt678
              what innermost aspirations can a modern person have? - health, money, good luck to yourself and your loved ones!

              man is NOT an animal (devour, pst0, find out finally.

              He has and spiritual a life. which makes him, in fact, human.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Lenin is a symbol sacrifices for the happiness of all workers!

              What kind of "sacrifice"? belay He ate sweetly all his life, slept softly in Switzerland and France, NEVER worked sitting on the neck of his mother or the state
              Quote: aybolyt678
              What's wrong with that than it is worse than the holy relics?

              People go to the relics to fulfill the needs of their SPIRITUAL LIFE.

              Glaring at the 90% artificial, pumped up with fluids, what are you trying to achieve?
              WHY do many go there, if not to stare at the curiosity? As in any museum, for example, wax figures?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 13 September 2020 11: 19 New
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                He also has a spiritual life.

                spiritual life is a theater, or contemplation of the Milky Way, which side of the church is there? Fear of death? believe and will you live forever? so this is faith, what does power have to do with it? powers apparently give some kind of confidence that there will be happiness in physical life smile

                Quote: Olgovich
                What kind of "sacrifice"? He ate sweetly all his life, slept softly in Switzerland and France, NEVER worked sitting on the neck of his mother or the state

                look at the volume of what has been written, for the sake of interest read the article "Imperialism and
                empirio-criticism "try to replace digital calculations on economics with modern indicators and you have a ready-made most relevant article on the situation in the world today, there was no Internet then and there were libraries in switzerland.
                Sacrifice is understood as the rejection of the personal in favor of the public, as a necessary element of socialist ideology. And social. ideology is, by the way, a modified Orthodoxy, the result of its development.
                Quote: Olgovich
                fulfillment of the needs of your SPIRITUAL LIFE.
                - this we already passed two years ago. I never received a list of these needs, or a description of them. You need to grow up and be more specific
                Quote: Olgovich
                Glaring at the 90% artificial, pumped up with fluids, what are you trying to achieve?
                WHY do many go there, if not to stare at the curiosity? As in any museum, for example, wax figures?
                why touch the relics ?? do you think I will ask ??? not! when Lenin was placed in the Mausoleum, all over the country people were being prepared for a new life, for the fact that property would be public, it was necessary to do something that would change the supports in public consciousness, Lenin's presence in the Mausoleum is a symbol of the idea that the Idea of ​​Socialism is alive, and the future belongs to him!
                A Russian without socialism is the same American. By the way, we are still considered communists.
                1. Vladimir Demyanov
                  Vladimir Demyanov 13 September 2020 12: 18 New
                  +6
                  The usual substitution of concepts, when the spiritual is replaced by the religious. Religiousness and spirituality are two different things.
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 14 September 2020 08: 25 New
                  -10
                  Quote: Vladimir Demyanov
                  Religiousness and spirituality are two different things.

                  Learn what is Orthodox spiritualityand also the fact that spirituality is the spiritual life of a person.
                  And yes - tell us about the tumultuous spiritual life that happens when you stare at a 90% artificial corpse
                3. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 14 September 2020 11: 56 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Orthodox spirituality,

                  a spark of God is given to man in the form of freedom of Will. Thanks to this, a person, like God, is a creator, if he develops this spark in himself, he becomes great, if a person indulges his desires (and not his will), then he becomes like an animal
              2. Magus
                Magus 14 September 2020 21: 00 New
                +7
                Quote: Vladimir Demyanov
                The usual substitution of concepts

                Recently, they like to replace the absolute majority of concepts, unfortunately ...
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 13 September 2020 12: 30 New
              -12
              Quote: aybolyt678
              spiritual life is a theater, or contemplation of the Milky Way, which side of the church is there? Fear of death? believe and will you live forever? so this is faith, what does power have to do with it? powers apparently give some kind of confidence that there will be happiness in physical life

              Is it ... LIKBEZ?

              Orthodoxy explains what the spiritual life of a believer is, what relics are for, and much more. Read on and find out.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              look at the volume of what has been written, for the sake of interest read the article "Imperialism and
              empirio-criticism "try to replace digital calculations on economics with modern indicators and you have a ready-made most relevant article on the situation in the world today, there was no Internet then and there were libraries in switzerland.

              Who needs this graphomaniac waste paper today? Funny ...
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Sacrifice means rejection of the personal in favor of the publicas a necessary element of socialist ideology.

              belay lol This is not political information of the 70s.

              And yes, what this balding man has given up, but no one has ever an idle loafer, writing from a young old woman's mother to a pensioner: "Mom!Send MONEY! "?
              lol
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And social. ideology is, by the way, a modified Orthodoxy, the result of its development.

              belay lol Holy Trinity-Marx, Engels Leninin? Demonstration procession with their portraits? Prayer Party Meeting? lol
              Quote: aybolyt678
              we already passed this two years ago. I never received a list of these needs, or a description of them. You need a subraceand be more specific

              The point is different: you just not coming, moreover, rather elementary things
              Quote: aybolyt678
              when Lenin was placed in the Mausoleum, all over the country people were being prepared for a new life, for the fact that property would be public, it was necessary to do something that would change the supports in the public consciousness,

              WHO instructed / allowed these Swiss foreign tourists to "cook" ... people, change the "supports" of the Russian people?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              The finding of Lenin in the Mausoleum is a symbol of the fact that the Idea of ​​Socialism is alive, and the future belongs to him!

              lol This is a symbol of the misunderstanding of the would-be leaders of 100 years ago what they want: they left it for many years of experiments to preserve the outer shells of the skin of a corpse (90% today is artificial)
              Quote: aybolyt678
              A Russian without socialism is the same American. By the way, we are still considered communists.

              Russian without fleeting s-ma exists for a THOUSAND YEARS and there is ONCE when it has rotted and disappeared forever: remember this FACT.
            3. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 13 September 2020 16: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              Holy Trinity-Marx, Engels Leninin? Demonstration procession with their portraits? Prayer Party Meeting?

              in general, I'm talking about socialist spirituality, that it is very similar to the Orthodox, but it prepares not for the afterlife, but for a feat in this ... love and everything else looks like one to one Thank you! laughing
              Quote: Olgovich
              This is a symbol of misunderstanding of the would-be leaders of 100 years ago
              that's just not a hundred years old. Then it went exactly as it should. THIS is a miscalculation 50 years ago.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russian without a fleeting s-ma exists for a THOUSAND YEARS and exists FURTHER, when it has rotted and disappeared forever: remember this FACT.
              - I didn't understand anything in this phrase, I'm sorry, you can decipher it, otherwise you can't remember it, suddenly there is something important
            4. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 September 2020 08: 14 New
              -6
              Quote: aybolyt678
              actually I'm talking about socialist spirituality

              Shta ?!
              belay lol
              This sho for such a beast?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              that's just not a hundred years old. Then it went exactly as it should. THIS is a miscalculation 50 years ago.

              Solid 100-year error. Decayed, decayed and self-vanishing.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              I didn't understand anything in this phrase, I'm sorry, you can decipher it, otherwise you can't remember it, suddenly there is something important

              Read it again. Didn't get it? AGAIN! And so, until it comes.

              The Russian man has been for 1000 years without a decaying fleeting "socialist", is and will be
            5. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 14 September 2020 11: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              The Russian man has been for 1000 years without a decaying fleeting "socialist", is and will be

              however, life shows that without socialism, the Russian people turn into national Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars and even Americans.laughing

              Quote: Olgovich
              This sho for such a beast?

              this beast helped to win the Second World War. With its help, such economic growth rates were achieved that are not available to China, please don’t be stupid fool
            6. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 September 2020 13: 36 New
              -6
              Quote: aybolyt678
              however, life shows that without socialism, Russian people turn into national Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars and even Americans

              A THIRD TIME: Russians were, are and will be.

              And those who are socialist, appeared out of nowhere and disappeared into nowhere. As it was not
              Quote: aybolyt678
              that beast helped to win the Second World War. With its help, such economic growth rates were achieved that are not available to China, please don’t be stupid

              What are the "growths" of the economy? This is when people had to wait FORTY YEARS to eat and dress like in 1913 ?!

              When from hunger in ... years of peace, there were SIX TIMES more dying of hunger (with cannibalism and corpse-eating) than in the bloody world war of many years? fool angry
            7. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 14 September 2020 13: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              than in the bloody world war of many years?

              26 million killed in the war
              Quote: Olgovich
              in ... peaceful years died SIX TIMES more

              26 times 6 equals 156 million people starved to death ??? wassat wassat do not call me any more, and do not send telegrams, but to the hospital, urgently, extempore, without delay
            8. Olgovich
              Olgovich 14 September 2020 13: 46 New
              -9
              Quote: aybolyt678
              26 million killed in the war

              Before your worst famine in the world, with massive cannibalism and corpse-eating, there was only PMA.

              Got it, no?
            9. TriA
              TriA 14 September 2020 21: 37 New
              +7
              Quote: aybolyt678
              26 million killed in the war
              Quote: Olgovich
              in ... peaceful years died SIX TIMES more

              26 times 6 equals 156 million people starved to death ???

              These are the storytellers these bulkokhrusty
              Quote: aybolyt678
              to the hospital, urgently, extempora, without delay

              It's too late. Medicine is powerless ...
            10. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 September 2020 04: 57 New
              -1
              Quote: TriA
              It's too late. Medicine is powerless ...

              don't tell .. smile Inject dopamine with oxytocin into a tour of the mausoleum ... Or bring Stalin to Stalin ... so he himself will not notice how he becomes their adherent ... Science, you know, has gone far
            11. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 September 2020 07: 59 New
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Inject dopamine with oxytocin into a tour of the mausoleum

              This is how yours is .... "socialist spirituality" ... yes lol
            12. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 September 2020 10: 04 New
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              This is how yours is .... "socialist spirituality" ... yes

              dear, it's just physiology. It is thanks to oxytocin that the mother loves her child. In men, it is also produced during the period of love. And if, while reading a book about spirituality, you have a release of oxytocin, then this spirituality will become dear to you.
              Personally, I believe that socialism grew out of Orthodoxy, thanks to its Orthodox roots, it took root in Russia. All the troubles under socialism, they are from people - cruel opportunists
            13. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 September 2020 10: 11 New
              -2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              dear, it's just physiology. It is thanks to oxytocin that the mother loves her child. In men, it is also produced during the period of love. And if, while reading a book about spirituality, you have a release of oxytocin, then this spirituality will become dear to you.

              Medicine at you social. spirituality, yes ...
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Usually, I think that socialism grew out of Orthodoxy, it was thanks to its Orthodox roots that it took root in Russia. All troubles under socialism, they are from people - cruel opportunists


              Sorry that you got the WRONG PEOPLE: you did not understand the sufferers for his happiness.


              And yes, do not forget that the result of your tireless "labors" for the people is Russian Cross, built by you
            14. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 September 2020 12: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Sorry that you got the wrong people

              judging by the number of minuses to your posts, your spirituality also belongs to the wrong people laughing As a psychiatrist, I will entrust you with a secret: - every psycho considers himself normal. Therefore, it is common for a normal person to doubt. Temporarily accept someone else's point of view, find your own weaknesses, it will be useful for you. I ran through your posts, we have a lot in common with you, in fact. Truth differs from Truth in that Truth is based on known and convenient facts, and Truth is based on all, including unknown and inconvenient ones. Some Truth fighters reject facts that don't fit their Truth model. I found my Truth, and found God, I hated Stalin and the communists, but collecting facts I realized that the socialists lost because they called themselves materialists, rejected God, in fact, socialism is a purely ideological doctrine that requires adherents of love and respect for others, self-sacrifice and self-distraction. otherwise socialism cannot be built
            15. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 September 2020 13: 47 New
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              judging by the number of minuses to your posts, your spirituality also belongs to the wrong people

              Compare 10 minuses with hundreds of millions of minuses of citizens (including 18 million "vanguard" lol ) system, yes, it is generally beyond ...
              Quote: aybolyt678
              As a psychiatrist, I will trust you with a secret: - every psycho considers himself normal

              A well-known truth.
              And yes, maybe the psychiatrist himself lives with a chronic mental disorder, is depressed or had a traumatic experience, who knows? what request
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Temporarily accept someone else's point of view, find your own weaknesses, it will be useful for you

              I had a different point of view and on an ongoing basis. She collapsed under the weight of the TRUTH, which disappeared for 70 years.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              I am myI found the truth, and found God, I hated Stalin and the communists, however, collecting facts I realized that the socialists lost because they called themselves materialists, rejected God, in fact, socialism is a purely ideological doctrine, requiring from adherents love and respect for others, self-sacrifice and self-infringement... otherwise socialism cannot be built

              Yes.... recourse
              You admit only one thing: ALL THAT time is the time of total, all-embracing LIE - always, in everything and everything.

              What ... Truth is possible with this ?!
            16. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 September 2020 15: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              Comparing 10 minuses with hundreds of millions of minuses of citizens (excluding 18 million "vanguard" detachment) to the system, yes, this is generally over the edge ...

              according to my personal statistics, hundreds of millions are just for the USSR, the argument is not accepted

              Quote: Olgovich
              I had a different point of view and on an ongoing basis. She collapsed under the weight of the TRUTH, which disappeared for 70 years.

              I had it too, lol only the collapsed point of view after 20 years of capitalism returned to its original, in a more perfect version
              Quote: Olgovich
              You admit only one thing: ALL THAT time is the time of total, all-embracing LIE - always, in everything and everything.

              First you need to decide whether you agree with the definition of truth and truth proposed by me?
            17. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 September 2020 16: 12 New
              -3
              Quote: aybolyt678
              according to my personal statistics, hundreds of millions are just for the USSR, the argument is not accepted

              belay lol
              NONE of the 280 million in 1991 stood for the regime. No one!

              Denial reality You should be familiar by profession. Like dopamines - to "return" there
              Quote: aybolyt678
              it was like that for me too, only the collapsed point of view after 20 years of capitalism returned to its original, in a more perfect version

              lol
              Quote: aybolyt678

              First you need to decide whether you agree with the definition of truth and truth proposed by me?

              Of course not.

              What's the difference?

              Lies and Truth / Truth are incompatible.
            18. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 15 September 2020 17: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Olgovich

              belay lol
              NONE of the 280 million in 1991 stood for the regime. No one!

              belay they were shot from tanks in the House of Soviets, humane adepts of capitalism.

              Quote: Olgovich
              Like dopamines - to "return" there

              dopamines are produced in the body on its own as a reaction to a job well done, a difficult victory, do not confuse them with drugs
              Quote: Olgovich
              Of course not.

              But this is a matter of principle. True is a relative concept based on facts and interests. The interpretation of known facts depends on the interests of the party. What is a lie - an overlooked fact? or its perversion in favor of interest? Truth is an absolute concept that does not contradict facts and does not depend on the interests and eloquence of the disputants. If we are not determined with the concepts GOOD BYE
            19. Olgovich
              Olgovich 16 September 2020 06: 09 New
              -2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              they were shot from tanks in the House of Soviets, the humane adepts of capitalism

              In 1993, there was no longer a trace of socialism and the USSR: WHAT are you talking about?
              Quote: aybolyt678
              If we are not determined with the concepts GOOD BYE

              I have no desire to pick out differences where there are none.

              A lie, according to the definition, is "INTENTIONAL distortion of the truth, not true."

              Goodbye.
  • Revival
    Revival 13 September 2020 03: 28 New
    +1
    Someone believes in one thing, someone else, no one is better than others and no worse, so do not make one thing necessary and the other stupid.
    They are such double standards ...
  • krops777
    krops777 12 September 2020 13: 12 New
    -4
    But most do so because of the recognition of his role in history.


    Most? Under the USSR, most of the people of the country did not even visit Moscow, and even more so in the mausoleum because of the queue, and now even more so, young people really look at this as an attraction or as an anachronism.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 11: 06 New
    17
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    but I just personally do not like it when the deceased lies on public display and the people, like an attraction, go to look at him.

    It is even worse when a ruler who has lost trust, respect and dignity, practically a "political dead", puts a comedy about a happy future one by one on public display of his own people and conducts an electoral circus with "zeroing out", "multi-day voting" and accusations of terrorism .. ...
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 12 September 2020 11: 13 New
      17
      The mausoleum prepares for itself, frees up the place.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 11: 44 New
        26
        The mausoleum is the tomb of the Great Leader of the world proletariat. There is no need to attach the "carcass" of Judas there. These attempts are nothing more than vandalism and desecration.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 September 2020 12: 27 New
          -20
          Quote: lexus
          The mausoleum is the tomb of the Great Leader of the world proletariat. There is no need to attach the "carcass" of Judas there. These attempts are nothing more than vandalism and desecration.

          What does the "carcass of Judas" have to do with it?
          Are you Orthodox in general? Not an ancient Egyptian, not an Indian? So, excuse me, being an Orthodox Christian, from what hangover do you, like those Egyptians, hold on to the pyramid and this, so to speak, "Pharaoh"?
          And this definition is the leader! What are you, Indian?
          Now about Lenin. He was not a man and does not have the right to NORMAL BURIAL, as a Christian? What is the body in the middle of the country not buried? Those who consider themselves to be a communist can go to his grave.
          Now, about these clever guys who make up the minuses here to adequate comments ...
          Ale, citizens, when at least one of you gorlopanov was the last time in the Mausoleum, if you are shouting so much for this corpse here?
          So, from branch to branch about the return of the USSR, we don't need that shout-sho! But you don’t want to bury this indian-pharaoh lisp in a human way, as I quote, "this is our story."
          Like going to see the mummy, go to Egyptian museums!
          To remind you, lovers of mummies, that this leader began to create the first Gulagi?
          1. FenH
            FenH 12 September 2020 12: 45 New
            -11
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: lexus
            The mausoleum is the tomb of the Great Leader of the world proletariat. There is no need to attach the "carcass" of Judas there. These attempts are nothing more than vandalism and desecration.

            What does the "carcass of Judas" have to do with it?
            Are you Orthodox in general? Not an ancient Egyptian, not an Indian? So, excuse me, being an Orthodox Christian, from what hangover do you, like those Egyptians, hold on to the pyramid and this, so to speak, "Pharaoh"?
            And this definition is the leader! What are you, Indian?
            Now about Lenin. He was not a man and does not have the right to NORMAL BURIAL, as a Christian? What is the body in the middle of the country not buried? Those who consider themselves to be a communist can go to his grave.
            Now, about these clever guys who make up the minuses here to adequate comments ...
            Ale, citizens, when at least one of you gorlopanov was the last time in the Mausoleum, if you are shouting so much for this corpse here?
            So, from branch to branch about the return of the USSR, we don't need that shout-sho! But you don’t want to bury this indian-pharaoh lisp in a human way, as I quote, "this is our story."
            Like going to see the mummy, go to Egyptian museums!
            To remind you, lovers of mummies, that this leader began to create the first Gulagi?

            You are absolutely right, none of these "communists" wants to ponder for whose money this Swiss comrade was sitting out, what is the NEP and how that time differed from the current 90. They refer to the achievements of Stalin, who radically changed what the "leader" intended. And although Stalin was removed from the mausoleum, there are more and more flowers on his grave every year, and no mausoleum is required for Stalin.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 12 September 2020 12: 55 New
              -13
              Quote: FenH
              none of these "communists" wants to think about whose money this comrade in Switzerland was sitting out,

              What kind of communists they are. Gorlopany! Socialism is declined in cases, and here wherever there, they decided to bury this stinking corpse in a human way, so there was a reason to kick the throat.
              They don't put their relatives in the pyramids in the backyard. Because sho is expensive and because, what a fig?
              Of these "communists" grief, only a few have read Capital Marx, but I generally keep quiet about Lenin's writings. Fighters against the regime, ugh.
              Touched by comments like Putin is preparing a place for himself in the Mausoleum. laughing This is generally a level 80 idiocy.
              1. FenH
                FenH 12 September 2020 13: 02 New
                -11
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: FenH
                none of these "communists" wants to think about whose money this comrade in Switzerland was sitting out,

                What kind of communists they are. Gorlopany! Socialism is declined in cases, and here wherever there, they decided to bury this stinking corpse in a human way, so there was a reason to kick the throat.
                They don't put their relatives in the pyramids in the backyard. Because sho is expensive and because, what a fig?
                Of these "communists" grief, only a few have read Capital Marx, but I generally keep quiet about Lenin's writings. Fighters against the regime, ugh.
                Touched by comments like Putin is preparing a place for himself in the Mausoleum. laughing This is generally a level 80 idiocy.

                Plus, how much does it cost to maintain a given corpse and an entire institution in addition, which does not allow it to decompose.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 08 New
                  -15
                  Quote: FenH
                  Plus, how much does it cost to maintain a given corpse and an entire institution in addition, which does not allow it to decompose.

                  Not only that ... there is generally a break in the template ... we do not want and do not want the USSR. We need Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova as a part of one state, so there’s nothing to eat on our own, but here we have to feed these parasites.
                  But at the same time, "get your hands off the great leader Chingadzhguk", excuse me, Lenin! Because this is our story! As if from the fact that this corpse is buried, everyone about the story will immediately have amnesia.
                2. Victorio
                  Victorio 13 September 2020 14: 17 New
                  +4
                  Quote: FenH
                  Plus, how much does it cost to maintain a given corpse and an entire institution in addition, which does not allow it to decompose.

                  ===
                  Probably, in the first years or decades it was a kind of scientific experiment, but now it has certainly been studied, and the results have been obtained to worship, you can also honor a person in a cemetery. on the other hand, since this causes such bitterness in people, it is possible to postpone and pass the decision on to the next generations.
              2. Arlen
                Arlen 12 September 2020 13: 19 New
                26
                Quote: NEXUS
                What kind of communists they are. Gorlopany!

                Liberal is not rude to the communists, you will not be rude.
                Quote: NEXUS
                They decided to bury this stinking corpse in a human way, so there was a reason to kick the throat.

                Of those offended by the Soviet regime will you be?
                Quote: NEXUS
                Of these "communists" grief, only a few have read Capital Marx, but I generally keep quiet about Lenin's writings

                Shall we discuss any work of Lenin, Stalin, Marx?
                Quote: NEXUS
                Regime fighters

                We are not fighting, we are defending the rights of the people of Russia, which you are trampling on.
                Quote: NEXUS
                This is generally a level 80 idiocy.

                Why do you humiliate yourself so, and even publicly, calling your thoughts a level 80 idiocy?
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 27 New
                  18
                  Of those offended by the Soviet regime will you be?

                  hi Along the way, "in life" like that.
              3. Lexus
                Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 25 New
                18
                this stinking corpse

                Only from this phrase "amber" is orders of magnitude "stronger". Moreover, from there, where a healthy person, physically and mentally, a priori should not have it.
              4. Revival
                Revival 13 September 2020 03: 31 New
                +5
                After reading your comment, it is clearly clear that there is such a phenomenon that, although not a corpse, but more stinking
            2. Arlen
              Arlen 12 September 2020 13: 22 New
              23
              Quote: FenH
              none of these "communists" wants to think about whose money this Swiss comrade was sitting out for, what is the NEP and how was that time different from the current 90

              Enlighten us an expert. Be smart. And we'll see what your education is. wink
              Quote: FenH
              They refer to the achievements of Stalin, who radically changed what the "leader" intended

              Shall we discuss this topic?
            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich 12 September 2020 15: 24 New
              -23
              Quote: FenH
              We are absolutely right, none of these "communists" wants to think about whose money this Swiss comrade sat out for,

              Duc, and now it "exists" at a STATE expense: at least the PAYMENT would be taken for showing the ekponata, to justify the cost of maintaining.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 30 New
                14
                PAYMENT would be taken for showing the ekponat - to justify the cost of maintaining

                The time will come - we will show you. Someone in a cage, some at work.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 12 September 2020 16: 36 New
                  -16
                  Quote: lexus
                  The time will come - we will show you. Someone in a cage, some at work.


                  Sho, AGAIN, wait ?! belay lol

                  They waited, waited for communism now about, now in 20 years, then again threatened ...AND?!

                  You are funny, menacing ..., ... lol laughing

                  .
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                3. Revival
                  Revival 13 September 2020 03: 33 New
                  +4
                  Civil war on the conscience of those who did not voluntarily fulfill the will of the people and tried to keep the former position by force, where they are masters, and the bulk of the second grade
                4. Magus
                  Magus 14 September 2020 21: 02 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Revival
                  Civil war on the conscience of those who did not voluntarily fulfill the will of the people and tried to keep the former position by force, where they are masters, and the bulk of the second grade

                  They are striving for this now, and lately with leaps and bounds, in a line where some gentlemen and others are slaves ...
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          4. Arlen
            Arlen 12 September 2020 13: 41 New
            20
            Read their biography. yes
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 42 New
            -14
            Quote: Arlen
            Read their biography. yes

            Q.E.D! The bawdy was blown away. The curtain! fellow
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          7. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 54 New
            -17
            Quote: Arlen
            Well, if you need an answer, then Korolev was imprisoned for spending 120000 rubles on the wrong developments.

            Wrong development? wassat Che wanted a rocket, but he built himself a garage at home? wassat
            And I found the same phrase, not for those developments ...! lol
            Go on, I beg you! I haven't laughed like that in a long time! laughing
          8. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 08 New
            -6
            Quote: NEXUS
            Go on, I beg you! I haven't laughed like that in a long time! laughing

            Yes, he earns pluses for himself ...
          9. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 September 2020 17: 11 New
            -7
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Yes, he earns pluses for himself ...

            Yes, these kids with pluses and minuses are everywhere. The Lexus is the same all over the head. General. fellow
  • Lexus
    Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 37 New
    20
    Yes, NOT a respected bawdy pseudo communist, I'm Orthodox.

    No piety has prevented anyone from being a villain. Thank you for convincing me of this again. By personal example, so to speak.

    To you crazy

    From the "bottom of obscurantism" sounds like a compliment.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 13 September 2020 02: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    Can I remind you about the Red Terror, the first repressions?

    the culprits were punished in 37
  • Revival
    Revival 13 September 2020 03: 36 New
    +6
    And to remind you that the Red Terror was the Answer to the White Terror!
    At least study the chronology, although you don't need it ..
    And whom did the overwhelming majority of the people support?
    And how to live the country is decided only by the people, not the king and the like ...
  • Lexus
    Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 00 New
    19
    what a hangover are you

    Do not drag your "signature" style of "throwing ... thoughts" to me.

    Are you Orthodox in general?

    Ask this question to the priests who are fattening at the expense of the people, who are building "three mansions a day" instead of "optimized" kindergartens, schools, hospitals and enterprises. And also to shameless scoundrels, who stick out their "piety" when it is profitable, "on the occasion", and even "in the wrong place." "Fragrant" while unhappy parents are forced "by the whole world" to collect money for the treatment of sick children who turned out to be unnecessary to the failed "pseudo-state", nothing more than a "leftover" from the Great Soviet Union.

    What are you, Indian?

    It is for the half-citizens who sold their homeland for "promises", soon there will be "white people", together with "Asian brothers" to hunt and "lousy gifts" to present. For them their sycophants "for the eyes."

    Now about Lenin ...

    You, uncle, have obviously turned into the "son of a wine-making country", from which you got here, all over your upper body. There is nothing to discuss - you have forever lost your human appearance, once you "gave out" such an abomination. Sculpt your "minuses" until once again you will not be caught "hot" and demoted. Do not annoy people with your disguise - they are disgusted.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 September 2020 16: 48 New
      -9
      Quote: lexus
      There is nothing to discuss - you have forever lost your human appearance, once you "gave out" such an abomination.

      Hmm ... I'm looking at you bombing, as much dermis on the walls. Why don't you, the truth-lover, make YOUR dearly beloved and revered relatives as mummies and bury them in your backyard?
      Quote: lexus
      Sculpt your "minuses" until once again you will not be caught "hot" and demoted.

      Another frame not disfigured by intelligence. fellow You ask Smirnov who and what demoted me and why.
      I suggest for those who are in the tank, I myself asked him to demote me.
      As for the minuses ... you are looking at kindergarten here, since you mentioned the minuses. For the information of degenerates with such statements, I NEVER GIVE ANYONE MINUSES FROM THE WORD AT ALL. Even as narrow-minded as you.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 14 New
        -7
        Quote: NEXUS
        I NEVER GIVE ANYONE MINUSES FROM THE WORD AT ALL. Even as narrow-minded as you.

        Yes, I give him minuses, because I do not agree with any of his words, but he thinks that it is you ...
        Ah-le, "general mr" put downsides to me, yours will not come to power in Russia anyway, and in other republics of the Union you are either banned or despised ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 September 2020 17: 17 New
          -6
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Yes, I give him minuses, because I do not agree with any of his words, but he thinks that it is you ...

          Do not be high bude buckwheat. fellowIn general, this is significant ... a person enters into a discussion and then minuses his opponent. It seems to me alone that this is some such vile meanness, and the meanness of such a petty hypocritical thief? wassat
          And some clever guy went over my comments and stupidly, without looking at the minuses, pissed me off. I can't with these cretins. wassat
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 22 New
          -5
          Quote: NEXUS
          Do not be high bude buckwheat. fellowIn general, this is significant ... a person enters into a discussion and then minuses his opponent.

          Well no. He provokes a dialogue, and he and his associates put the minuses, I noticed this long ago on VO ...
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 12 September 2020 17: 32 New
      13
      I myself asked him to demote me.

      "Winemaker-masochist", it turns out. About "narrow-mindedness" and "degeneration" - it's about your comments. Call more assistants, you can be "sexless", like a "creature" near you - because the number is less than six, you cannot twist the "Ilyich's lamp". I understand that it was not an anecdote.
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 12 September 2020 17: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    To remind you, lovers of mummies, that this leader began to create the first Gulagi?

    You are depriving Trotsky of his laurels. Not good, unfair.
    Or are the liberals forbidden to mention it?
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 12 September 2020 21: 47 New
    +6
    Are you Orthodox in general?

    Gaspadin, you can see right away - a helluva lot of Orthodox. It is especially clear from this text:
    of this Indian pharaoh burr

    So it is not customary for the Orthodox to exorcise themselves over the dead.
    And therefore, you either take off the cross, or pull on your panties.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 September 2020 22: 22 New
      -5
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      Gaspadin, you can see right away - a helluva lot of Orthodox.

      Yes, I am Orthodox. Are your panties pressing for you to spoil the air here?
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      So it is not customary for the Orthodox to exorcise themselves over the dead.

      So it is not customary for the Orthodox to keep corpses in their homes, and even to drive excursions to "look". fool
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      And therefore, you either take off the cross, or pull on your panties.

      Wrap a coward around your ears ... yeah.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 12 September 2020 22: 54 New
        +4
        Yes, I'm Orthodox

        yes And the symbol of faith, you probably know yes
        So it is not customary for the Orthodox to keep corpses in their homes, and even to drive excursions to "look".

        That is how the Orthodox have not yet thought of it. Tours are sitting at home, and "see" in parts are carried.
        Wrap a panties on your ears.

        What for?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 September 2020 23: 16 New
          -3
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          That is how the Orthodox have not yet thought of it. Tours are sitting at home, and "see" in parts are carried.

          Only that are HOLY people and not those who were allowed to spend by millions of people in their country ... yeah ... they are GOD'S PEOPLE, and not this desman, who for the sake of their fantasies sent the country into turmoil.
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          What for?

          And Schaub did not write such crap about the cross. You are our Orthodox.
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 13 September 2020 00: 23 New
          +4
          You are our Orthodox.

          I, it seems, did not position myself that way, unlike you. However, I have nothing against the HOLY people, but obscurantists who think themselves Orthodox, build three churches a day and operate with phrases are very annoying:

          this stinking corpse


          Do not dishonor Orthodoxy, little respected Gaspadin!
  • Vladimir Demyanov
    Vladimir Demyanov 13 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +3
    The first concentration camp was created by the British for the Boers after the Anglo-Boer War in the early 20th century.
  • Motorist
    Motorist 12 September 2020 15: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: lexus
    There is no need to attach the "carcass" of Judas there.

    Well, okay, you wanted to pour out your bile - it is necessary sometimes ... But have you read the article? Is there such a thing? Did you follow the link? Is there that too? What is the link? I will tell you - error 404. You are provoked, but you are nervous and twitching!
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 13 September 2020 14: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Motorist
      Quote: lexus
      There is no need to attach the "carcass" of Judas there.

      Okay, You wanted to pour out your bile - it is necessary sometimes ... But have you read the article? Is there such a thing? Did you follow the link? Is there that too? What is the link? I will tell you - error 404. You are provoked, but you are nervous and twitching!

      ===
      you need to ban screamers for a week, and from different sides
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 13 September 2020 14: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Victorio
        you need to ban for a week screamers

        I agree! But then half of the members of the forum will constantly take a steam bath ... yes
  • Azis
    Azis 12 September 2020 23: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: 7,62x54
    The mausoleum prepares for itself, frees up the place.
    And on the last 2 letters (I, H) you can save
  • Lexus
    Lexus 12 September 2020 11: 25 New
    18
    It is even worse when a ruler who has lost trust, respect and dignity is practically a "political dead"

    hi Here, along the way, and "rolled the lips" on the "last residence".



    Although its well-deserved place is in the landfill. And Stories too. Together with the "architects".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 33 New
      -7
      There will be no place for our president, whoever, in the landfill - because the landfill has long been filled with your "communists" and do not worry, you pseudo-communists will be there too soon.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 19: 58 New
        10
        Oh ... the "business domain" has appeared. Are you still using the batteries, "# lifts up to Russia", or have you come up with another "new" legend? And where are the "rainbow" campaigns? The "chief cook" dropped the "cooks", locked them in the "kitchen" and unscrewed "over the hill", and you, by inertia, are "jerking"? Well, no - go to the "breakthrough" without us. And before that, restore the destroyed taiga and reclaim all your "g ... state" from your "deeds". Under the supervision of "grateful" citizens.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 September 2020 11: 42 New
          -1
          Use batteries only for people like you - because there are no hands or heads for anything else. The production of sliding bearings, high-precision parts to order, plasma spraying devices, casting of blanks, tactical knives, repair of construction and special equipment, as well as the production of CX products and delivery for export have been my lines of business for 15 years in a row. For the taiga and forests, do not worry about it and restore it without your help, and quite successfully, but at the expense of breakthroughs, yours never had and never will, since your pseudo-communists are all over the place: mediocrity, loafers and everyday moaning whining about and without reason ...
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 13 September 2020 12: 47 New
            +9
            Write a cheat sheet to yourself, otherwise you will forget who you are "in a bedtime story", you will again and again look shamefully ridiculous, as, however, always, which has already become commonplace for you.

            The communists won the worst war, and

            mediocrities, loafers and everyday soggy whiners about and without reason

            they constantly whine that they have a "heavy legacy" to "dance", sanctions and "double standards" interfere; great power ", not noticing, at the same time, their own wretchedness.

            but at the expense of breakthroughs

            You can already throw your pants away, they "cannot be saved", and the "skiers" sofa, today is a day off, may not be repaired. Once again drive the "office" into spending.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 September 2020 20: 19 New
              -1
              "Write a cheat sheet to yourself, otherwise you will forget who you are" in a bedtime story ", Yours just had bedtime stories for 69 years, faith in which shattered to smithereens in the 80s and 90s" They constantly whine that they "dance" their "heavy legacy", sanctions and "double standards" interfere, at the same time, submissively "tail between their legs", they pay tribute in the courts of microscopic states, for thirty years they have ruined their own country "in wet dreams" of raw material "great power", not noticing this, your own wretchedness. "Most of you scold, but at the expense of the heavy legacy, it really turned out to be difficult for the economy, which had passed into market conditions - because, apart from the ruined ecology and thousands of antediluvian industries using the technologies of the 50s, for the most part, nothing is better than buckets with bolts and trash in the civilian sector was not released - everyone, even in the USSR, ran after foreign products only now it is impossible to catch up with them in significant directions, since they have been storing the entire world market for all 69 years in a row so far your motherfuckers from the CPSU were engaged in communist experiments. "You can already throw your pants away" - With my pants everything is fine, I have a lot of them all and different - but at the expense of yours I am not sure to slow down, then 30 years in a row sitting from them already and the rags are all torn and worn out. Go on with the accumulators, the baryzh, the rescuer of the offices of communism.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 13 September 2020 21: 33 New
                +8
                bucket with bolts

                Once again, they showed what a worthless production worker you are. The USSR, including this product, provided itself 100%. And now, you can "sing" anything, 70-80%, really "elementary", poor import. Chinese. As well as your "rags" that you regularly "stuff" to "breakout". And no, even thousands, "sharazhek" of your, "garage" type, neither in terms of production volume, nor in quality, are worth the "utility room" of any one and only Soviet enterprise, now ditched and stolen by the same as you, scammers. If anything, I know perfectly well what industrial enterprises were in the European part of the Soviet Union, what they were doing ... and what was left of them. This is not progress, but degradation.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 12 September 2020 11: 30 New
    -8
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    but I just personally do not like it when the deceased lies on public display and the people, like an attraction, go to look at him.

    It is even worse when a ruler who has lost trust, respect and dignity, practically a "political dead", puts a comedy about a happy future one by one on public display of his own people and conducts an electoral circus with "zeroing out", "multi-day voting" and accusations of terrorism .. ...


    Quote: 7,62x54
    The mausoleum prepares for itself, frees up the place.

    ===
    who about what, and naked about the bath
    1. depressant
      depressant 12 September 2020 11: 58 New
      23
      Guys, whatever you want, but transforming the Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin into something else is blasphemy! This is vulgar, cowardly, philistine petty and unworthy!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 12 September 2020 12: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        Guys, whatever you want, but transforming the Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin into something else is blasphemy! This is vulgar, cowardly, philistine petty and unworthy!

        It is useless for them to talk about it. All anti-Sovietists - all ultimately turn out to be ROSOPHOBS and "monarchists" - Westerners!
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 03 New
        -17
        Quote: depressant
        Guys, whatever you want, but transforming the Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin into something else is blasphemy! This is vulgar, cowardly, philistine petty and unworthy!

        And a corpse in the middle of the country, standing there according to LANGUAGE laws, is that normal? It is blasphemy to live in capitalism, according to the laws of capitalism, NOT TO WANT the return of the USSR, but at the same time to be indignant at the burial of this burry little man. And we still need to look very closely at what this instance did really good for the country, and what it did NOT good for the same period. And for me, there is more nasty than good.
        You, Lyudmila, since you are so concerned about this mummy, answer, when was the last time you personally were in the Mausoleum?
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 47 New
          11
          There are many political dead in history. But their monuments cannot be destroyed.
          Let's then blow up the pyramids of Ancient Egypt, the tombs of the kings and queens in Luxor, the Mausoleum of Hadrian and the Mausoleum of Augustus in Rome. Let's destroy Qin Shi Huangdi's tomb in Xi'an.
          From the fact that the monuments are pagan, do they become worse from this? Destroy Lenin's Mausoleum. But then destroy the tombs of the Russian Orthodox tsars, the tombs of the Popes in Rome. Because they are also political dead.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 32 New
            -8
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            There are many political dead in history.

            Some are followed by a trail of dead former citizens of their country ...
            But their monuments cannot be destroyed.

            Not a word about this in the article ...
            Let's then blow up the pyramids of Ancient Egypt

            What a daring, young, but early ... You didn't build them ... if you want to blow them up, refer to the ancient ukram (they are "ancient Sumerians" and seamen) ...
            But then destroy
            и
            tombs of the popes in Rome
            I will not say anything about "Papa", well, if his migrants from Albania and Syria, bursting in the EU with dynamite, blow up it, I will definitely not cry ...
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 18: 18 New
              +6
              Lara Croft, I can tell you that monuments cannot be destroyed at all, even if the persons whom these monuments immortalize are not pleasant to you. Other people may not like those historical characters that are pleasant to you. And what, then, to destroy ALL the monuments?

              For example, now there are a number of monuments to Caligula and Nero. The emperors of Rome were lousy. But does this mean that their monuments must be broken?

              That's about Lenin. In a thousand years, the Lenin Mausoleum will remind descendants of this historical personality, albeit not pleasant, including unpleasant to me. It is impossible for the present emotions to influence the memory of the past. For emotions can change 180 degrees. For example, Napoleon I in France was almost God, and after his abdication he became a bad upstart Corsican. Then by 1830 Napoleon became the Hero of France again. And in 1870, during the Paris Commune, Napoleon became bad again. Even his Vendome column was broken. But since 1871 Napoleon is good again for France. However, since the 21st century, Napoleon has not been honored again in France. Does this mean that it is necessary to break and build monuments depending on the changeable moods of the plebeians? On the contrary! Monuments must be unshakable for centuries. Otherwise, people and nations will not have historical memory. Are you looking to rebuild the Acropolis of Athens into a shopping center? But the Acropolis is a temple to those gods, in which no one believes.
            2. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 14 September 2020 04: 12 New
              +1
              All great people are followed by a trail of the dead. And for the pharaohs, and for the emperors, and for the tyrants and dictators. And it is not a fact that mass murder is bad. This is bad for the slain, but good for the victors and the descendants of the victors. Since I am alive, and you are alive, it means that we are the descendants of the winners (albeit not in everything, but in the main thing - survival). And the defeated descendants do not.

              Pyramids and mausoleums are not built for petty individuals who did not arrange massacre.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 48 New
            -7
            In general, that time from 1917 to the early 50s for Russia was probably the bloodiest because of the many terrible events in the history of mankind - Nikolai Beshrebetny became the starting point for one country, and Ulyanov and the Bolsheviks then continued the experiment called the USSR to create a utopian society where there is no lies of greed all resources and territories are limitless everyone owns everyone everyone is equal in everything, and so on lasted 69 years and failed with a crash and blood under the yoke of ordinary human egoism, which is embedded in a person by nature and which no communist socialism can ever remove from a person to deceive and bypass nature will not work.
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 13 September 2020 16: 32 New
              +2
              The first emperor of a unified China, Qin Shi Huangdi, killed several million people without a firearm. In the 60s, the PRC authorities found his grave, including the terracotta army. According to your logic, the grave of the bloody tyrant must be destroyed.
              However, if the ruler was not bloody, but simply spineless, then his grave must also be destroyed. And the graves of ordinary people, who are neither fish nor meat, also destroy?
              Of course no. You need to remember everything in your history - both good and bad, and nothing can be destroyed. Moreover, what now seems good will be considered bad by the next generation and will also destroy? For example, the Bolsheviks destroyed a bunch of churches and noble estates.
              I repeat once again that Lenin's Mausoleum is a monument with all its contents. Let it stand for centuries.
          3. solzh
            solzh 14 September 2020 01: 13 New
            11
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            their monuments cannot be destroyed.

            Herostratus will not rest for them ... They want to be immortalized in history ...
            1. Magus
              Magus 14 September 2020 21: 06 New
              +8
              The Gorostrat ended badly. His memory is bad ... wink
        2. Tochilka
          Tochilka 12 September 2020 19: 39 New
          +4
          Formally, this is not a corpse, but a mummified body. In the sarcophagus. At least with transparent walls.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 September 2020 20: 34 New
            -1
            Russia is not Ancient Egypt or the Mayan civilization people were mummified there, put in sarcophagi and closed them - and here Ulyanov himself was put on public display, probably knowing what they would do with his body after death, he would have expressed himself with similar words "What are you XXXXXXXX"
      3. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 12 September 2020 13: 18 New
        10
        Quote: depressant
        This is vulgar, cowardly, philistine petty and unworthy!

        After the 90s, the term "dignity" in the Russian Federation acquired a slightly different meaning. lol
        1. Magus
          Magus 14 September 2020 21: 04 New
          +9
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          After the 90s, the term "dignity" in the Russian Federation acquired a slightly different meaning. lol

          laughing What are the times, such are the concepts of terms ... Yeah ... Where are we going ...
      4. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 43 New
        +6
        depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova), Lenin's Mausoleum is the shrine of the communist religion. After all, you do not doubt that the communist ideology is a kind of idealistic mental construction?
        I'm an atheist. I am an opponent of the communist worldview, because it is religious. But, I am also opposed to destroying the temples of certain religions. Or, if the Lenin Mausoleum is destroyed, what is better than the temples of other religions? They are not better. Then destroy them too. But then there will be few historical monuments for posterity.
        After all, you do not believe in the gods of Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece? Or do you think that ancient temples should also be destroyed?
        My opinion is not to destroy any temples, despite the fact that all religions, including the communist one, are deceitful.
        1. depressant
          depressant 12 September 2020 18: 35 New
          +7
          I guess I'll still have to answer. As luck would have it, health went wrong today. Well, this is my personal (((
          As for the Mausoleum.
          Every time, when due to inept, clumsy actions of the government - even in the Soviet era, even in the current era of our undercapitalism, or, as now, a serious failure in the economy is outlined, the government turns to the Mausoleum - a symbol of the era of overcoming difficulties and prosperity economy of the Stalin era. First, Khrushchev took out Stalin's body. And then, periodically, like now: "Let's take out Lenin's body!" A hint is given, characteristic of the weak, that we, they say, are not to blame, all our difficulties are from there, from the socialist past, this is it to blame, hanging like a stone around our necks. This is called distracting the attention of the people from the true culprits of what is happening, simply translating the arrows. And as soon as this happens, get ready: you will have to tighten your belts.
          And since it, the past, is to blame, let's stomp on it, and everything will immediately become good. Well, let's say you can. And who do you then nod at?

          The removal of Stalin's body from the Mausoleum became a signal for all dark forces, both domestic and foreign: the people have endured, so the collapse of the USSR can be started. The removal of Lenin's body from the Mausoleum will be the same signal for Russia. Silently, they will begin to slowly remove monuments to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War and Lenin, where the latter still remain, as well as rename the streets. The great era of socialism will gradually be erased from the memory of all subsequent generations. The expectations of people from that era will also be erased. "What kind of socialism? A bright future? What are you talking about? .."
          And then there will be some "kulturtrager" who will authoritatively declare that the Mausoleum not only does not represent cultural value, but also does not fit into the architectural and historical ensemble of Red Square, and it should be demolished. And demolished.
          This is how the people will find themselves without one of their props in the form of a piece of history. There are no symbols, no history itself.

          How many people are visiting Lenin's Mausoleum now? I don’t think so. But the consciousness that he is and is in him - no, not the body of the Leader of the world proletariat, they do not say that anymore, because there is no proletariat in his past understanding, and the body of the herald of the era of justice - this consciousness creates the conviction that that such an era was, it means that it is possible in the future.

          Yes, I have never visited the Mausoleum. Didn't happen. But this does not mean that millions of people did not visit it with a sincere desire to pay tribute to the memory of Lenin and his contribution to the construction of the USSR. Maybe that's the point? He created, united the country, and now there are tendencies towards the destruction of what was left of it, and the Mausoleum is like a log in the eye?
          The authorities do not understand that the shredding of the history of the people makes it petty.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 September 2020 20: 34 New
            -6
            Quote: depressant
            Yes, I have never visited the Mausoleum.

            Forgive me for such a seditious idea, but let us mummify your relatives, put them on the balance of the state and lead excursions to these crypts? They are dear to you. So why do you bury them? Let them be with us in the form of mummies.
            Quote: depressant
            The authorities do not understand that the shredding of the history of the people makes it petty.

            And people do not understand that ANY revolutions throw the country in development for decades! And this is a fact! The main contingent of citizens after 17 years went to the expense and to the camps? They mowed down the gene pool of the country, and even the color of the nation (INTELLIGENCE) was thinned out so that only ahu ... should have been surprised.
            How long did it take for the country to recover from all this? And the 91st was not the same. And how many people (men) again went to the expense?
            Yes, these revolutionaries burn in hell! They have no repentance in this world, not in that one.
            1. depressant
              depressant 12 September 2020 21: 43 New
              +4
              Colleague Nexus, we don't know each other well ...
              In VO, there is probably no greater opponent of all revolutions and coups than I am. I have personal reasons for that.
              As a revolution, I perceive the removal of Lenin's body from the Mausoleum - such a slow, extended in time revolution, a certain bloodless part of it. Takeaway first. Then attempts to create a museum. Then the debate about which museum. Then came the decision to move the Mausoleum somewhere. Moved. The public's attention was distracted by something important. Forgot. The mausoleum is somewhere in a hangar, in the wilderness, in a disassembled state. Twelve years later, stalkers run into him, covered with dust ... This is how the true story goes ...
              At least, this is apparently the intention.

              The mausoleum is not a skyscraper, which can be demolished after the expiration date. The mausoleum makes sense only if it contains the body of Lenin.
              The mausoleum with Lenin's body is a formidable shadow of the past, a reminder to people who have decided that they are powerful of this world that history is spiraling.
              It is clear how unpleasant it is for them to see the Mausoleum with Lenin's body. And even without a body.
              Did you want power? You got it.
              You received it over the people, from whom - not from you! - there is a Mausoleum with Lenin's body. Other people were not given to you in your possession. And this people will no longer be different. Because once he built the Mausoleum and placed Lenin's body in it.
              So bear with it.
              Otherwise, the spiral of history will unclench and sweep away you all, turning into the Red Wheel.
              And not the presence of the Mausoleum with Lenin's body will be the reason, but his absence. Liberals tell us: start with yourself! Let the authorities set an example - let them start with themselves. I think there is a lot to catch on to and where to start. There is no need to cling to the Mausoleum with Lenin's body and start with it. This is a relic of my people.
      5. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 September 2020 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        Guys, whatever you want, but transforming the Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin into something else is blasphemy! This is vulgar, cowardly, philistine petty and unworthy!

        Yeah! So you, Lyudmila, have found very correct words for such plans. This refers to a similar desire to grind and vulgarize the entire Soviet era. All the achievements of the USSR. But the most important thing is that this also applies to belittling the USSR Victory over the Nazis. They say, somehow they won the wrong way, somehow the Germans in captivity were not well equipped, somehow they won in spite of Stalin, but a lot of all sorts of shit poured out on the USSR. So they decided to take on Lenin, and then generations will not know about the enemy's banners thrown to the Mausoleum. That's what!
  • krops777
    krops777 12 September 2020 13: 17 New
    -5
    It is even worse when a ruler who has lost trust, respect and dignity is practically a "political dead"


    The political dead is the late Brezhnev, Chernenko, but no matter how Putin, do not confuse the concept.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 45 New
      +6
      There are many political dead in history. But their monuments cannot be destroyed.
      Let's then blow up the pyramids of Ancient Egypt, the tombs of the kings and queens in Luxor, the Mausoleum of Hadrian and the Mausoleum of Augustus in Rome. Let's destroy Qin Shi Huangdi's tomb in Xi'an.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 34 New
        -4
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        There are many political dead in history. But their monuments cannot be destroyed.
        Let's then blow up the pyramids of Ancient Egypt, the tombs of the kings and queens in Luxor, the Mausoleum of Hadrian and the Mausoleum of Augustus in Rome. Let's destroy Qin Shi Huangdi's tomb in Xi'an.

        Repeat ...
        1. TriA
          TriA 14 September 2020 21: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Repeat ...

          And he does the right thing. We must remember that we cannot fight against monuments and history. We are the heirs of the Great People and the Great Country. We are deliberately made consumers and pitched on the topic of history, so that it would be easier to manage us. Those who praise the tsarist times and scold the Soviet are playing into the hands of our enemies.
      2. TriA
        TriA 14 September 2020 21: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Let's blow it up then

        Indeed, let's blow it up. What a fig, we need these monuments of the distant past. We will study history from Hollywood films, oh, something has taken me to the wrong place. repeat
        You must love the history of your people and state. It is not necessary to denigrate her, but to be proud of her. hi
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 28 New
    -1
    "Political dead", Don't worry so much - this "political dead" will outlive you and me with fanfare and will remain in the history of not only Russia but also the world as the strongest and brightest politician of the early 21st century.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 12 September 2020 11: 12 New
    17
    In every church there are bones of the dead, to which people come to pray. Not only that, the skeletons are torn apart and shared with other churches. To whom the finger, to whom the head. How do you feel about this, maybe you should bury everyone?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 12 September 2020 12: 09 New
      18
      According to the defilers, these are "those who are needed", "remains".
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 September 2020 11: 44 New
      -1
      And they will be buried over time, do not worry.
  • Well
    Well done 12 September 2020 11: 49 New
    0
    Krupskaya wanted to bury him humanly, and he himself would not have been delighted if he had learned that after his death he would be gutted, embalmed, "bathed" in chemistry every year. You can worship the great era at the grave of Ilyich. Pay tribute, etc. mummies are devilry. When we were accepted as pioneers, in 87, we were taken to the mausoleum. The impressions, I can tell you, are rather negative.
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 42 New
    +7
    Aristarkh Ludwigovich, Lenin's Mausoleum is the shrine of the communist religion. After all, you do not doubt that the communist ideology is a kind of idealistic mental construction?
    I'm an atheist. I am an opponent of the communist worldview, because it is religious. But, I am also opposed to destroying the temples of certain religions. Or, if the Lenin Mausoleum is destroyed, what is better than the temples of other religions? They are not better. Then destroy them too. But then there will be few historical monuments for posterity.
    After all, you do not believe in the gods of Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece? Or do you think that ancient temples should also be destroyed?
    My opinion is not to destroy any temples, despite the fact that all religions, including the communist one, are deceitful.
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 12 September 2020 16: 57 New
    -4
    I agree with you. You can organize a copy of Lenin's office with a wax copy. Or something like that ... And bury Vladimir Ilyich, finally next to Comrade. Stalin.
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 13 September 2020 01: 17 New
    +3
    In my opinion, Lenin should be reburied at the Kremlin wall or next to relatives, and the Mausoleum should be left as a monument to the era.

    Either degenerates or aristocrats who are shaking for their grandmothers strive to blur out the name of Lenin. Go get drunk already
    1. TriA
      TriA 14 September 2020 21: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: Angelo Provolone
      degenerates, or aristocrats who are shaking for their grandmother

      They are shaking not only for their grandmother. They still want to return the beginning of the 19th century and strive for it.
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 02: 03 New
    0
    I agree with you, AL. As a last resort, the body can be replaced with a 3D model and not necessarily in the form of a deceased. It is unlikely that any of the members of the forum would like to spend 100 years in the form of a mummy in public. I am taken aback by such a thought
  • figwam
    figwam 12 September 2020 11: 07 New
    24
    Contestants are invited to transform the mausoleum into a branch of the Museum of Russian Architecture.

    So I think it is possible to transform Yeltsin's library into a museum of Russian architecture.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: figvam
      Contestants are invited to transform the mausoleum into a branch of the Museum of Russian Architecture.

      So I think it is possible to transform Yeltsin's library into a museum of Russian architecture.

      Do not blaspheme science,
      Yeltsin's library
      this is still that "monument" if they burn her, no one will cry, that's for sure ...
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    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 11: 34 New
      15
      The mausoleum on Red Square for the new masters of life is about some kind of unbearable torment ... This state is best reflected by the term Butthurt ...
      1. grindz
        grindz 12 September 2020 12: 16 New
        +7
        In general, it is surprising that the capital was not transferred to St. Petersburg as yet under the tsars.
        1. TriA
          TriA 14 September 2020 21: 27 New
          +6
          This option is also possible in the future. wink
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 13 New
        -13
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        The mausoleum on Red Square for the new masters of life is about some kind of unbearable torment ... This state is best reflected by the term Butthurt ...

        The mausoleum does not bother them, but the stinking corpse lying there bothers very much and not only for them. You that, and let all the fighters go for Lenin to lie there, take on the costs of his maintenance and care.
        Well, Che, everything is fair. You need it, so finance it. And at the same time, put your relatives in the mausoleums ... yeah.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 31 New
          -2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, Che, everything is fair. You need it, so finance it. And at the same time, put your relatives in the mausoleums ... yeah.

          I put a plus, but I disagree. But people are buried according to Orthodox traditions.
        2. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 52 New
          +3
          I hate communists. But if you want to eliminate Lenin's Mausoleum, then recognize the destruction of all the tombs of those people whom the communists cannot tolerate is just. As a result, it turns out that the entire heritage of mankind will turn out to be at least someone, but hated. And this will mean the destruction of everything I am all. For example, I don't like people at all. I like animals. I would, if I had the opportunity, would bring the world to an atomic war. And of the people I would leave only their own children, and a harem of women 200 - 300 pieces, in order to be forced to have them in all sorts of poses. And this, in my opinion, is quite enough to leave humanity not on Earth.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 45 New
            -4
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            I would, if I had the opportunity, would bring the world to an atomic war. And of the people I would leave only my own children, yes harem bab 200 - 300 pieces, in order to be forced to have them in all sorts of poses. And this, in my opinion, is quite enough to leave humanity not on Earth.

            A good idea, I even envied ... if you do not cope with "your" harem, you can count on me ...
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 18: 41 New
              0
              OK! Agreed!
              On D-Day, join me with your harem! drinks bully
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 50 New
                -5
                Quote: Aleksandr1971
                OK! Agreed!
                On D-Day, join me with your harem! drinks bully

                If I have
                harem bab 200 - 300 pieces
                What the hell do I need you for ...? Then you better go in line to the Mausoleum, take ...
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 18: 56 New
                  0
                  Yes, to change women.
                  Tell yours: "Goodbye!", "I fell in love with another harem!"
    2. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 12 September 2020 12: 51 New
      +6
      Who has the same point blazing ...

      Blazes strongly ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Angelo Provolone
        Blazes strongly ..

        Strong, but how many opponents of this, you can see by your minuses. And I'm scared.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 12 September 2020 12: 13 New
    20
    Right. The mausoleum must be left alone. But the Yeltsin Center will be closed and the building will find a more suitable appointment without losing staff jobs.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 12: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: 4ekist
      But the Yeltsin Center will be closed and the building will find a more suitable appointment without losing staff jobs.

      But there is no need to be like these freaks. But what needs to be done is to deprive the Center of Public Funding .......
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: 4ekist
      The mausoleum must be left alone.

      Yes, no one bothers him, what the communists are yelling about, I don't know ... and the article is some kind of provocative ...
      But the Yeltsin Center will be closed and the building will find a more suitable appointment without losing staff jobs.

      Definitely. Change the name to the regional children's or scientific and technical (the Ural industrial district has not gone anywhere) library ...
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 12 September 2020 18: 39 New
        +3
        I agree. The article is pure provocation. We launched a "duck" to find out the opinion and attitude of the masses. We have already gone through this.
        1. TriA
          TriA 14 September 2020 21: 28 New
          +7
          Quote: 4ekist
          We launched a "duck" to find out the opinion and attitude of the masses

          And those who launched the "duck" now know that the civil war in the country is not over.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 50 New
      0
      And the Mausoleum will be altered and the Yeltsin Center will be altered the same - be patient, everything will be.
  • Motorist
    Motorist 12 September 2020 14: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    Leave alone the Mausoleum

    At the moment, the link is only a 404 page, i.e., there is no such competition.
  • PalBor
    PalBor 12 September 2020 16: 43 New
    11
    Yes. I treat Lenin as a person, and polit. the figure is not very good. Rather, I am a Stalinist. But do not touch our history and crap on it. I was only glad when we in Ryazan restored a monument to Lenin on Lenin Square (of course), otherwise they put up some kind of oak cross ... For crosses there is the Ryazan Kremlin with cathedrals. And of course, it is puzzling (to put it mildly) that the Mausoleum is covered with plywood for special events, some kind of nonsense.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: PalBor
      I was only glad when a monument to Lenin on Lenin Square was restored in Ryazan (naturally), otherwise they put up some kind of oak cross ...

      Yes, one of your "bombed" me a story ... said that the former governor or mayor of Ryazan (I don't remember), who was removed by the former political instructor, I don't know whether he lied or not ...
      1. PalBor
        PalBor 12 September 2020 19: 08 New
        +4
        Well, almost. He taught the history of the party and scientific communism at the military school. Just kicked back after seven years for embezzlement. Democrat...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 12 September 2020 19: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: PalBor
          Well, almost. He taught the history of the party and scientific communism at the military school. Just kicked back after seven years for embezzlement. Democrat...

          Volodya is in a good place, if you go to the Post Office analogue of the Moscow Arbat ... I often drank there ... I went on a business trip to Ryazan for two years ... the Airborne Forces Museum is relatively close ... I recommend everyone to go ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 September 2020 17: 12 New
    +7
    A competition has been announced in Russia for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum "Without Lenin"
    Crap. Competition for the best concept of further use of the Yeltsin Center has been announced in Russia.That's better.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 17 New
    -2
    The burial of Lenin was inevitable - the time had come and he would retire.
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 12 September 2020 19: 54 New
    -1
    why are you so worried? Nobody is going to destroy the mausoleum. Now Vladimir Ilyich is definitely time for rest. Enough to experiment with it and put it on public view as an exhibit in the Cabinet of Curiosities.
  • solzh
    solzh 13 September 2020 22: 53 New
    14
    Lenin's Mausoleum and the necropolis at the Kremlin Wall were included in 1990 in the UNESCO World Cultural Heritage List. In 1995, they received the status of objects of historical and cultural heritage of federal significance.
  • Magus
    Magus 14 September 2020 20: 52 New
    +8
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    Hands off!

    Apparently they want to annoy people once again. The country has no more problems.
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 12 September 2020 10: 45 New
    14
    The competition was announced by the Union of Architects of Russia, according to the organization's website.

    Does the government know about this? Not to mention the people!
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 12 September 2020 11: 39 New
      +2
      Does the government know about this? Not to mention the people!

      No, the competition was announced secretly from everyone, including from its participants, VO learned about this with the help of regular psychics, but VO is just one exception, everyone else is not aware.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 12 September 2020 11: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: SRC P-15
      The competition was announced by the Union of Architects of Russia, according to the organization's website.

      Does the government know about this? Not to mention the people!

      In response, a popular competition can be announced for the best concept for the further use of the Union of Architects of Russia. For the initiators of the crap around the mausoleum - a separate nomination.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 17: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        For the initiators of the crap around the mausoleum - a separate nomination.

        Prize to the laureates - gratitude from the veterans of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union with the entry into the chest ...
      2. TriA
        TriA 14 September 2020 21: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        a popular competition can be announced

        Why not ... Good idea!
  • tourist
    tourist 12 September 2020 10: 45 New
    22
    Competition for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum announced in Russia

    I even guess who the customer is ...

    They can't wait to finish everything, everything connected with the USSR out of anger .. Because the level of its technologies and social sphere cannot be reached until now ..
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 September 2020 10: 47 New
      14
      Quote: turist
      I even guess who the customer is ...

      Is Chubais preparing a mausoleum for himself? belay
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 12 September 2020 10: 50 New
        33
        Let them dig this in the ebncenter, there it belongs.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 11: 07 New
          19
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Let them dig this in the ebncenter, there it belongs.

          There is enough room for everyone ...
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 11: 54 New
            22
            There is enough room for everyone ...

            "The family is big ..." (C)
        2. Alf
          Alf 12 September 2020 11: 12 New
          22
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Let them dig this in the ebncenter, there it belongs.

          Alive.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 September 2020 11: 52 New
            19
            hi In friends company". And the faster the better.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
            Let them dig this in the ebncenter, there it belongs.

            Alive.

            But what, in a glass coffin ...
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 12 September 2020 11: 59 New
          11
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Let them dig this in the ebncenter, there it belongs.

          And after that, the ebncenter will be razed to the ground
          and arrange a dog walking area.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 12 September 2020 10: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: turist
        I even guess who the customer is ...

        Is Chubais preparing a mausoleum for himself? belay
        Or how fashionable a high-rise building is now. Well, what. The most prestigious place. Well, the mausoleum is on the ground floor. Like a school of creativity or what it is fashionable to sculpt high-rise buildings over in the central parts of our cities. wassat laughing
      3. tourist
        tourist 12 September 2020 11: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: turist
        I even guess who the customer is ...

        Is Chubais preparing a mausoleum for himself? belay

        Hardly, but the title of the murderer of Russia, dreams about it, not in vain as a tick sucked
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 00 New
        -3
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: turist
        I even guess who the customer is ...

        Is Chubais preparing a mausoleum for himself? belay

        Do you think there will be queues to his Mausoleum from among his fans?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: turist
      I even guess who the customer is ...

      "Overton windows" in operation, the first window "Unthinkable" - a certain public opinion is created, then the "Radical", "Acceptable" windows and on the sixth window "State Norm" everything will be decided. Since they promoted suffrage and LGBT people. Whose job is everyone guessing. Disgusting and disgusting.
      1. tourist
        tourist 12 September 2020 11: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        "Overton windows" in operation, the first window "Unthinkable" - a certain public opinion is created, then the "Radical", "Acceptable" windows and on the sixth window "State Norm" everything will be decided. Since they promoted suffrage and LGBT people. Whose job is everyone guessing. Disgusting and disgusting.

        Disgusting, I even know how they will decorate the Mausoleum if they come to power and what they will arrange on Red Square .. hi The public is already preparing and this is alarming
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: turist
          Disgusting, I even know how they will decorate the Mausoleum if they come to power and what they will arrange on Red Square ..

          That's right, they are still talking, and God forbid they come to power. But this cannot be ruled out, we took it well. Scheise.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: turist
          Disgusting, I even know how they will decorate the Mausoleum if they come to power and what they will arrange on Red Square .. The public is already preparing and this is alarming

          I am writing about that, all according to the "Methodical". or "Checklist".
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 16: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: turist
          Disgusting, I even know how they will decorate the Mausoleum if they come to power and what they will arrange on Red Square ..

          I'm talking about that and say "Disgusting" and the more that it
          competition for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum "without Lenin"
          And the "concept" is scary to think about. For my words about rejection, I'm out of 15, got 8 minuses. Where are we going !!! What happened to the people ???
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 12 September 2020 11: 41 New
        +6
        Since they promoted suffrage and LGBT people. Whose job is everyone guessing

        I don’t guess, but I’m even afraid to ask, are they really Reptilians?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: alexmach
          I don’t guess, but I’m even afraid to ask, are they really Reptilians?

          Stop thinking about cancer. Of course they are "sorry".
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 12 September 2020 13: 58 New
            -1
            Of course they are "sorry".

            I can still imagine it somehow about LGBT people, but about the suffragists? They are older than Soros himself. No, the doctor said to the Reptilians, he said to the Reptilians ... Well, here's one more catch, why did they decide to do something useful for us ... You don't think the movement of suffragettes is harmful, do you?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 37 New
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              I can still imagine it somehow about LGBT people, but about the suffragists? They are older than Soros himself.

              What are the suffragettes, what are Sorras, what are they better? They have one idea, to push through the "impossible". Pushed through. You can also push through everything "impossible". I am wrong ? Minus. I'm right to keep quiet.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 12 September 2020 15: 54 New
                +2
                What are the suffragettes, what are Sorras, what are they better? They have one idea, push through the "impossible"

                What is still impossible? Suffragettes actually fought for fundamental rights for women. Moreover, they only tried to bring the legal position in accordance with the actual changes that had already occurred. And their victory is a real achievement in the humanitarian development of mankind. You have dragged them out of place at all. Still minus.
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                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 12 September 2020 16: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  What else is impossible?
                  In the eighties: the main function of a woman was to take care of children and keep the family hearth. At the moment: a woman needs to self-actualize in her career or personally. And most men react positively to these processes. Everything from the "impossible" has become the "state norm". In 1991, only 5% of public transport drivers were women, now 40%, so from the impossible became possible. As well as LGBT people as well. The scheme is simple

                  And from many "impossible" became "possible". If you do not agree, explain, at least from the "impossible" in the 19th century to the middle of the 20th century, the LGBT movement, and the "possible" in the 21st century.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 12 September 2020 23: 03 New
                    0
                    In the eighties: the main function of a woman was to take care of children and keep the family hearth.

                    In the eighties of what century then? Okstite dear, even my grandmother, who in the 80s had already retired, was engaged, as you put it, in self-realization in a career.
                    And most men react positively to these processes.

                    And my grandfather whom I did not find, according to my grandmother, helped her in everything, for example, he shared her homework with her, and at the same time he was also not very sour career realized.
                    And women worked on an equal footing with men back in the 80s of the 19th century .... and not only 19. And they were forced to do it not by some reptilian sorosity and not even suffragettes, but by the objective processes of the development of industrial production.
      3. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 15: 57 New
        +4
        Lenin's Mausoleum, regardless of whether we give a negative or positive assessment to Lenin, is one of the greatest modern monuments in Russia, dedicated to a significant historical period in Russia. Probably even the greatest, despite its small size. Besides, it is the center of religion, even if I do not believe in religion.
        I am an atheist, I am an anti-communist. I believe that monuments cannot be destroyed. Otherwise, let's destroy all churches, not just communist ones.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 17: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          I am an atheist, I am an anti-communist. I believe that monuments cannot be destroyed. Otherwise, let's destroy all churches, not just communist ones.

          Although you are an anti-communist and for monuments, by the way I am for all monuments, they are the history of the country. But why are monuments being demolished in the United States and everyone is silent? How will it be in your opinion?
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 17: 23 New
            +2
            In the United States, there is a process of impoverishment of the lower strata of society, both whites, former middle ones, and blacks. These protesters vent their anger at the hallucinations and chimeras in the form of monuments, instead of seeing the root of their impoverishment. And America's upper class maintains this belief in chimeras of racism because they are powerless to remedy the situation.

            And the root is that production is being transferred to countries with lower production costs and with a disciplined, educated workforce.

            The world economy is striving for evenness. Therefore, Asia will gradually grow richer, and Europe and North America will grow poorer, until in these regions there will be relative equality in production costs. Now in the United States, GDP per capita is about 60 thousand dollars, and in the PRC it is about 10 thousand dollars. But the moment will come when the GDP per capita in the PRC will approach the American one. And this will happen due to the transfer of production from the United States to the PRC (despite all the antics and sanctions of the United States), and due to a decrease in production and an increase in unemployment in the United States.
            The current protesters in the United States do not have the ability to beat the PRC. It remains to arrange pogroms of Asian shops and destroy monuments to the Confederates during the Civil War.

            The Muslim East, Latin America and Africa are not included in the relocation process due to poor quality labor.
          2. TriA
            TriA 14 September 2020 21: 32 New
            +7
            Quote: tihonmarine
            why are monuments being demolished in the USA, and everyone is silent

            It's just that everyone rejoices in silence and wants them to move from monuments to the demolition of their state. yes
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          Lenin's Mausoleum, regardless of whether we give a negative or positive assessment to Lenin, is one of the greatest modern monuments in Russia, dedicated to a significant historical period in Russia.

          I will correct you opus ...
          Lenin's Mausoleum, regardless of whether we give a negative or positive assessment to Lenin, is one of the greatest modern monuments in Russia, dedicated to a significant historical and tragic period of Russia. [
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 18: 45 New
            0
            I agree with you.

            It would be better if there were neither Lenin nor the October Revolution. But since this was, and there were monuments to this, then the monuments, as well as the memory, cannot be destroyed.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              I agree with you.

              It would be better if there were neither Lenin nor the October Revolution. But since this was, and there were monuments to this, then the monuments, as well as the memory, cannot be destroyed.

              Who is destroying your Mausoleum? Surely he is an architectural monument and they will put any "architect" behind him ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: turist
      They can't wait to finish everything, everything connected with the USSR from anger.

      For the West, socialism is not anger, but death.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 17: 26 New
        +1
        You, tihonmarine (Vlad), are wrong. There is already more socialism in Western Europe than in Russia. Socialism is the redistribution of the surplus product from producers to idlers. This will destroy Western Europe. And the USA, where there is much less socialism, will hold out longer.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 17: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          Socialism is the redistribution of the surplus product from producers to idlers
          Capitalism is an economic system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and free enterprise. The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit. And this has not been canceled in the west.
        2. TriA
          TriA 14 September 2020 21: 33 New
          +7
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          There is already more socialism in Western Europe

          There is no socialism there. Their social structure of the country is better than ours.
    4. TriA
      TriA 14 September 2020 21: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: turist
      I even guess who the customer is ...

      Again, the "mushroom" is trying to translate his crazy ideas into reality am
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 12 September 2020 10: 43 New
    +7
    Participants of the competition are invited to develop a draft design for the use of the mausoleum building as a museum of the history of design and construction of all three versions of the mausoleum - plywood, wood and granite, as well as to think over a route connecting the Museum of Russian Architecture and the mausoleum.

    Wild idea
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 September 2020 11: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Wild idea

      using the Mausoleum "without Lenin"
      And how is this to be understood?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 September 2020 11: 02 New
        -2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And how is this to be understood?

        Not better
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And how is this to be understood?

        So understand "WITHOUT". They still write covertly, but then they will write openly. And the Russian land carries such.
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 12 September 2020 12: 04 New
        11
        To understand that the Mausoleum acts on the gentlemen of the Democrats, like holy water on vampires.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 12: 22 New
          +4
          Exactly....
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Stock Officer
          To understand that the Mausoleum acts on the gentlemen of the Democrats, like holy water on vampires.

          Or an aspen stake for vampires.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 09 New
      12
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Wild idea

      The dream of capitalism from the beginning of the 20th century. They are even afraid of the dead Lenin.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 September 2020 11: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The dream of capitalism from the beginning of the 20th century.

        Yes, let them dream
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Yes, let them dream

          This is not a dream, for them it is an act.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 12 September 2020 13: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            This is not a dream, for them it is an act.

            Well, I hope it won't come to the point
      2. tourist
        tourist 12 September 2020 11: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Wild idea

        The dream of capitalism from the beginning of the 20th century. They are even afraid of the dead Lenin.

        They are afraid of Vlad, even to the point of falling hysteria. negative
        Eat pineapples, chew grouse, but your last day comes bourgeois .. With capitalism and freedom (in the United States), we in Russia are already sated to the very end!

        Wait for the bastard ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 September 2020 13: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: turist
          They are afraid of Vlad and up to falling hysteria

          For these .... the idea of ​​socialism is the death of capitalism.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 14: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Wild idea

      For us, yes, a "wild idea", but for them the idea of ​​extending the life of capitalism.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 12 September 2020 10: 43 New
    +5
    And Lenin, Lenin where ???? This is not casual!
    1. Russ
      Russ 12 September 2020 10: 56 New
      -12
      In flood ... in a hut! wink
      1. Masha
        Masha 12 September 2020 11: 39 New
        +3
        Well, what ... we'll take it! If our capital has already completely lost its conscience ...
        Siberians don't waste their time on trifles ...
        And this is by no means a trifle!
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 13 New
          -4
          Quote: Masha
          Well, what ... we'll take it! If our capital has already completely lost its conscience ...

          What are you talking about, in
          our capital
          90% of non-Muscovites .... open your mouth to all the CIS ...?
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 12 September 2020 11: 44 New
        0
        MARUS. The place is already taken there. Savvy entrepreneurs founded a restaurant called Shalash. It used to be popular with the Chinese, who were taken there in droves.
        1. Masha
          Masha 12 September 2020 11: 53 New
          +1
          Yes bullshit ... let's move! love
      3. Russ
        Russ 12 September 2020 17: 14 New
        -1
        Judging by the cons ..... then talk about what ??? Save the mausoleum! We can't understand Moscow people ........
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 11 New
        -2
        Quote: Russia
        In flood ... in a hut! wink

        just in ... spill ...
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 12 September 2020 11: 24 New
      15
      And Lenin, Lenin where ???? This is not casual!
      ... Since the 90s, such a bike has been going around, they say, if Lenin is reburied, grace will rise to Russia and an economic miracle will occur. Apparently, the government, through the Union of Architects, decided to check .. But what if it works out? laughing
      1. tatra
        tatra 12 September 2020 11: 42 New
        +6
        Yes, all kinds of lies and delirium were invented by the criminals to justify the capture of the USSR for criminal purposes and their crimes after the capture, including the fact that they squealed in the 90s "in Russia everything is so bad because it is Lenin in the Mausoleum harms Russia with its bad aura. "
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 12: 12 New
        15
        What if it works out?

        hi On a sinking ship, rats are always looking for a saving straw. First.
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 September 2020 13: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: parusnik
        And Lenin, Lenin where ???? This is not casual!
        ... Since the 90s, such a bike has been going around, they say, if Lenin is reburied, grace will rise to Russia and an economic miracle will occur. Apparently, the government, through the Union of Architects, decided to check .. But what if it works out? laughing

        You see, Alexey! This story can be called a superstitious or magical statement .. The result is not logically related to the action. For some reason, no one was indignant at this, precisely as a superstition. Or magic. Then, maybe we need to spread another slogan - about the destruction of the Yeltsin center? Or what other options. If you rely on superstition and magic, then the rest!
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 12 September 2020 15: 55 New
          +7
          hi Greetings. With the help of magic, they usually hope for a miracle. So in Russia, they conjure, conjure, but a miracle does not happen.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 12 September 2020 16: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: parusnik
            hi Greetings. With the help of magic, they usually hope for a miracle. So in Russia, they conjure, conjure, but a miracle does not happen.

            I remember that in the late 80s and 90s, a lot of sorcerers appeared. Have disappeared now, or have been hiding
            Penetrated into all spheres of life, imposing a way of thinking?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 52 New
              11
              "Religion is the opium of the people." (C) Karl Marx

              Dear Dmitry, hello! hi See what sabbath the "believers" have rolled. The "native of Trier" was right. winked

              Have disappeared now, or have been hiding
              Penetrated into all spheres of life, imposing a way of thinking?

              Not otherwise, they "changed their shoes" in robes. I had an acquaintance - forgive everyone ... in the neighborhood I knew. Then he became an "excellent student" in the theological seminary. Got clear? Not! But he received the "arrival". lol
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 12 September 2020 17: 13 New
                +4
                Hello dear hi ! Somehow it is not a shame for educated people to proclaim superstition in all seriousness! The wailing wall was built, the White Czechs, the enemy military leaders ....... So what? Has life become better? It's time to break. Experiments have failed
            2. TriA
              TriA 14 September 2020 21: 34 New
              +8
              Quote: Reptiloid
              I remember that in the late 80s and 90s, a lot of sorcerers appeared. Are gone now

              Nope, they turned to astrologers, and switched to home reception yes
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 14 September 2020 21: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: TriA
                Quote: Reptiloid
                I remember that in the late 80s and 90s, a lot of sorcerers appeared. Are gone now

                Nope, they turned to astrologers, and switched to home reception yes

                Somehow I doubt the earnings of astrologers! Now everyone can predict everything from the newspaper, where the forecast is printed ...
      4. TriA
        TriA 14 September 2020 21: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: parusnik
        This bike has been around since the 90s

        I remember a year like 1992, on TV they showed a report that some psychics held a seance, during which the idea of ​​Lenin's burial came to light in connection with the fact that grace will rise on Russia and an economic miracle will occur. This is where this bike started.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 September 2020 10: 43 New
    11
    Competition for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum announced in Russia
    There are no other worries, just in two years, Russians are disturbed by the fate of Lenin's body and by the mausoleum itself. Leave this "idea" alone. This is part of the history of the country. And it's enough disgrace when, during the parades on Red Square, the mausoleum is decorated with all kinds of garbage. And it’s incomprehensible whether we are proud of our history or shy.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 September 2020 10: 55 New
      13
      We are so proudly shy! repeat
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 11: 10 New
        13
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        We are so proudly shy!

        This is not shyness, but duplicity. This part of the story suits us, this one needs to be draped, here - the herring was cut ...
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 12 September 2020 12: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        We are so proudly shy!

        We bend so proudly.
        The first drapery was a condition of the President's presence at the Victory Parade.
        The presidents took that parade while sitting!
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 September 2020 13: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        We are so proudly shy! repeat

        This must be changed, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! You won't be able to sit on 2 chairs, or walk in 2 opposite directions.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 12 September 2020 13: 55 New
          +5
          Quote: Reptiloid
          We need to change it

          And it is changing, towards decommunization!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 12 September 2020 14: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: Reptiloid
            We need to change it

            And it is changing, towards decommunization!

            These are very bad changes. It is also bad that they were in a hurry. The more time passes, the more hatred for the socialist past, it turns out. Just as Khrushchev began to fight with the deceased Stalin, now they are fighting both Stalin and Lenin.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 12 September 2020 14: 11 New
              +6
              Quote: Reptiloid
              now they are at war with both Stalin and Lenin.

              They are at war with the entire Soviet past
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 12 September 2020 14: 39 New
                +5
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                .... are at war with the entire Soviet past
                Churchill said that Khrushchev lost to Stalin. Likewise, the fighters will lose to the Soviet past.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 12 September 2020 16: 58 New
                  12
                  Likewise, the fighters will lose to the Soviet past.

                  Therefore, they are in a hurry to exterminate us all. For only they know how to fight with corpses.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 12 September 2020 18: 34 New
                    +2
                    The actions of the leadership should not be based on an invented ritual, on superstition. It turns out! there is no need to train or educate specialists, or to build anything, but everything will be done by itself.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 52 New
                    +1
                    You will die out anyway, so it's a waste of time to fight with you.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Leave this "idea" alone. This is part of the country's history.

      Well, adherents of the West and "Soros" cannot leave this idea. You yourself have been observing the animal howl for two weeks, not only among the races, but also in the west. And who is "he" and who is Lenin.
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 12 September 2020 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      There are no other worries, just in two years, Russians are disturbed by the fate of Lenin's body and the mausoleum itself. Leave this "idea" alone. This is part of the history of the country.

      Don't you notice that it is being methodically rewritten to please the ruling class? So we got to Lenin. Apparently they sensed the strength, because the army of the "Kolenek from the Bundestag" has already riveted.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 September 2020 13: 52 New
      -10
      Quote: Observer2014
      once every two years, Russians are thrilled with the fate of Lenin's body and the mausoleum itself.

      The mausoleum, as an architectural masterpiece, is not going anywhere. It is the same landmark of Red Square as St. Basil's Cathedral.
      But the corpse in it, that's another matter. The first question is, according to what laws does it lie there? According to pagan, or maybe according to Indian? What is the religion in our country (for the most part)? Not Orthodoxy, no?
      Now about history and pride in it. So you have to be consistent. If we are proud of our history and honor it, then why are we so disowned today from the scoop, and all the more we do not want its revival?
      Or is our memory selective?
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 12 September 2020 18: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Competition for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum announced in Russia
      There are no other worries, just in two years, Russians are disturbed by the fate of Lenin's body and by the mausoleum itself. Leave this "idea" alone. This is part of the history of the country. And it's enough disgrace when, during the parades on Red Square, the mausoleum is decorated with all kinds of garbage. And it’s incomprehensible whether we are proud of our history or shy.

      Rather, we are embarrassed in what other country parades, festivals, concerts are held at the cemetery ...
  • Iris
    Iris 12 September 2020 10: 44 New
    +2
    An interesting problem statement for an architectural competition.
    1. TriA
      TriA 14 September 2020 21: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: Iris
      An interesting problem statement for an architectural competition.

      The usual provocation.
      1. Iris
        Iris 14 September 2020 21: 55 New
        0
        In my subjective opinion, the task was set architecturally - this is evident from the task, which does not imply either the demolition or reconstruction of the Mausoleum. I think the authors did not expect such an intensity of passion about the competition. Although, of course, such a reaction to the competition with the status of the All-Russian, not limited, moreover, by the framework of the professional community, was expected.
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 12 September 2020 10: 44 New
    +5
    In Russia, the competition was announced, what to do with the Mausoleum ... Even if the whole of Siberia with the Far East says: "Lenin will be there!"
    1. TriA
      TriA 14 September 2020 21: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      Moscow will win by one vote

      This means that Moscow will be deprived of the right to vote (a joke, although in every joke ...) wassat
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 12 September 2020 10: 44 New
    20
    The Union of Architects of Russia announced a competition ... I am embarrassed to ask who authorized this "union"?
    Sheer nonsense, as long as Lenin's body is there - to announce any competitions is simply incredible Stupidity!
    Actually, how to mask the mausoleum with all kinds of decorations during parades ...
    1. edmed
      edmed 12 September 2020 10: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The Union of Architects of Russia announced a competition ... I hesitate to ask who authorized this "union"

      Along the way, he appointed himself, you see big people hinted, maybe this "union" can do the re-use of the White House, well, or the pyramids of Cheops, where there are a lot of plans!
    2. rich
      rich 12 September 2020 11: 09 New
      +8
      The Union of Architects of Russia announced a competition for the best concept of further use of the Mausoleum "without Lenin"

      Why not announce a counter competition - the Union of Architects of Russia without provocateurs and distortions of history?
      1. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 21: 59 New
        11
        Quote: Rich
        Union of Architects of Russia without provocateurs and distortions of history

        good We need to think about the issue of placing this initiative on the change.org platform laughing
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The Union of Architects of Russia announced a competition ... I am embarrassed to ask who authorized this "union"?

      Soros & Co.
      1. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 21: 59 New
        12
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Soros & Co.

        This Soros shits everything and shits everyone ...
    4. Alf
      Alf 12 September 2020 11: 25 New
      +9
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The Union of Architects of Russia announced a competition ... I am embarrassed to ask who authorized this "union"?

      Routine check for future changes.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 12 September 2020 11: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Alf

        Routine check for future changes.

        I do not agree ... in my opinion - this is a cheap provocation! The only question is, who needs it? As if without it there are not enough problems.
    5. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 12 September 2020 12: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      to announce any contests is just incredible Stupidity!

      Worse. This is an idea competition for burying reminders of socialism.
      Ideology and not smelling like architecture.
      1. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 00 New
        11
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        Ideology and not smelling like architecture.

        This is a provocation aimed at disrupting society
    6. Hermit
      Hermit 14 September 2020 21: 58 New
      12
      Quote: Hunter 2
      embarrassed to ask, who authorized this "union"?

      They appointed themselves. So we decided to ask for funding yes
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 September 2020 10: 48 New
    11
    the project is intended to collect the maximum number of architectural ideas, no matter how ambiguous they may be Gentlemen play in ambiguity, under-thought, under-production. But this is in vain, the one who lies there just did everything unambiguously. Better to practice at the Yeltsin Center. A lot of architectural ideas immediately suggests itself. I’m not an architect and I can’t think of anything but a bottle rolled into a bundle. Alas.
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 12 September 2020 10: 57 New
      14
      Then, based on the results of these competitions, they will begin to form the idea of ​​taking Lenin out of the Mausoleum, they will say that the projects are ready and people are ready for it. Soft decommunization continues.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 11: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: Arthur73
        Then, based on the results of these competitions, they will begin to form the idea of ​​taking Lenin out of the Mausoleum

        Based on the results of this competition, it is possible to form lists of evictions from Moscow and the Moscow region ... There, Far Eastern hectares are idle, waiting for cultivation ... lol
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 September 2020 11: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Arthur73
        Soft decommunization continues.

        Capitalization continues too.
      3. Alf
        Alf 12 September 2020 11: 26 New
        12
        Quote: Arthur73
        Soft decommunization continues.

        It is in full swing. The only state program that goes without disruption.
      4. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 03 New
        11
        Quote: Arthur73
        so the projects are ready and people are for it

        And they will immediately allocate funding ... Someone else and weld on this ...
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 September 2020 10: 58 New
      0
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      rolled up bottle

      It means "tied up"! And he poured, which means a bottle, and from the throat it pours and pours ...
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 12 September 2020 11: 39 New
        +2
        Vladimir! I propose to announce a competition. A monument in the form of a bottle, and the Royal fountain pours from it. Wasteful, you say. Well no. We will provide a return flow. but with recharge.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 12 September 2020 12: 39 New
          10
          It's all right ?
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 12 September 2020 10: 57 New
    -11
    This place is by nature intended for the final monument to our Victory. It should be a monument to the Headquarters of the Supreme Command and represent a large table with an operational map of the situation at the fronts draped over it; Stalin, Zhukov, Shaposhnikov and other members of the Headquarters should stand around the table. If, as planned, there will be a monument to the reconciliation of the Reds and Whites in the Civil War in front of the building of the Historical Museum, then Red Square will acquire a complete architectural ensemble.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 12 September 2020 11: 04 New
      19
      There is no reconciliation between reds and whites. The bourgeois cannot make peace with the proletarian in principle. The bourgeois can't stop parasitizing on others? And the working people, too, were sick of it. And the civil war is not over yet - we are just in its still calm phase. But the war will last - until the complete and inevitable victory of socialism, despite the temporary current white counter ..
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 18: 05 New
        -3
        You, paul3390 (Paul), are talking communist nonsense.
        The proletarian is also a bourgeois who sells his own labor on the capitalist market. For labor is also a commodity that has a price and demand. There are simply rich bourgeois and poor, successful bourgeois and not successful.
    2. Revival
      Revival 12 September 2020 13: 05 New
      +5
      "in front of the building of the Historical Museum, as planned, there will be a monument to the reconciliation of the Reds and Whites in the Civil War."

      And where is this very fitting !?
    3. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 07 New
      +1
      For the sake of one monument, another monument cannot be destroyed.
      I am an atheist, but imagine that instead of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, the Jews would build a monument to Shalom Aleichem. I am not an adherent of the communist religion, but I believe that it is impossible to destroy monuments and churches, regardless of which faith they belong to.
      Or if you want to destroy a communist church, then you need to destroy both Christian and all other churches. After all, Christians destroyed ancient temples.
  • Moore
    Moore 12 September 2020 10: 57 New
    16
    And who authorized this very union of architects to announce the competition?
    And what not to announce a competition for the arrangement of their own cottages for kindergartens?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 12 September 2020 11: 19 New
      +6
      And who authorized this very union of architects to announce the competition?
      .. Do not you guess? laughing
      1. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 04 New
        11
        Quote: parusnik
        And who authorized this very union of architects to announce the competition?
        .. Do not you guess? laughing

        Above suggested that Chubaisik again laughing
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 08 New
      +3
      It would be necessary to rip off these architects alive, stuff their skins with dung, and put the stuffed animals at the city gates.
  • apro
    apro 12 September 2020 11: 02 New
    12
    The destruction of the Soviet legacy will continue ... slowly but surely, the memory of socialism in a bourgeois state is not needed, and there is no one to stop it ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 September 2020 11: 22 New
      -8
      Quote: apro
      do not need a memory of socialism

      laughing laughing laughing
      Nobody needs.
      Even the communists prefer to remember the Stalinist times. Times of victories.
      And not huge queues for vodka, special distributors and electric trains smelling of sausage in the suburbs ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 12 September 2020 11: 50 New
        +5
        Someone is talking about what, and Lenin's enemies about their parasitism and grub. You are AFRAID to compare the results of your well-paid work after your seizure of Russia in 30 years - even with Brezhnev's "stagnation", because you yourself admit that the results of your "work" are total degradation, impoverishment of Russia, impoverishment and extinction of the Russian people.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 06 New
          0
          Quote: tatra
          and Lenin's enemies about their parasitism and grub

          So it was Lenin who came up with special distributors for Ylita, and kilometer lines for hard workers?
          How interesting .... Today is just a day of discovery.

          Quote: tatra
          the results of your "work" are total degradation

          I started working as a schoolboy. A janitor in Siberia, unsuccessfully told his father "I want a tape recorder." I went to school when it was considered a virtue to get away from the army. I did not leave the troops when we were detained for half a year, and we had to earn extra money on the side to support our family. During the whole war I did not lose a single subordinate. And when he quit due to his health (the consequences of an APC being blown up by a mine), in August 2008 my subordinates were also able to do without losses. And having a disability, I was able to raise my business. From scratch, and do not buy and sell. Providing income not only for themselves, but also for their workers. Let it be small, but created it.

          What have you achieved in your life? What is your job"?
          1. tatra
            tatra 12 September 2020 12: 17 New
            -1
            As the enemies of the communists ALWAYS have no way to adequately respond to my comments, and always cowardly twist in the style of "defending oneself by attacking others." WHAT specifically in my comment about YOU, the enemies of the communists, did you rush to refute?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 22 New
              -2
              Quote: tatra
              How the enemies of the communists ALWAYS have no way to adequately respond to my comments

              Are you surprised that in response to your aggression you receive the same in the same place?

              You stated that the result of my work is total degradation.
              I pointed out that this is not the case. And in turn asked you what you yourself have achieved.
              And this question caused hysteria in you. I don't know why laughing laughing laughing
              1. tatra
                tatra 12 September 2020 12: 27 New
                -2
                Ha, here is the answer again in the style of the mentality of the enemies of the communists. To my simple question
                WHAT specifically in my comment about YOU, the enemies of the communists, did you rush to refute?

                the answer is again in the style of "defending yourself by attacking others, and the cosmopolitan, selfish, cowardly in the style of" I have nothing to do with it. "
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 35 New
                  -2
                  Quote: tatra
                  the answer is again in the style of "defending yourself by attacking others, and the cosmopolitan, selfish, cowardly in the style of" I have nothing to do with it. "

                  I'm just the same "and".
                  For he fought, eliminating the consequences of the cowardice of the communists. Which led to the collapse of the USSR.

                  But you never answered. What have you achieved in your life? What is "nondegradation"?
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 12 September 2020 12: 49 New
                    +1
                    Well, again "I". I specially wrote in large letters "YOU", enemies of the communists. Enemies are even parasites in discussions. And this is their crown "and here I am, I have it", about the assessment of the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, post-Soviet periods - this is according to Freud. They have always been rootless cosmopolitans-egoists, they have always lived parallel to their people, and in their anti-Soviet clique there is no community, they hate and betray each other, and they captured the USSR exclusively for THEMSELVES, for their enrichment at the expense of the country and the people, and creation for yourself a comfortable life.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 53 New
                      +5
                      Quote: tatra
                      I specially wrote in large letters "YOU", enemies of the communists.

                      In fact, they themselves are the main enemy of the communists. For no one has done more for their own ruin

                      But why did you write me down as "enemies of the communists", for the life of me, I don’t understand. I just don't respect them. For the collapse of the USSR, for cowardice, for hypocrisy and lies ...
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 12 September 2020 13: 00 New
                        -1
                        Ha, again everything is in full accordance with the mentality of the enemies of the communists, again "defense through attacks", the above was "and I have nothing to do with it", now it will be "and I am against the communists and for no one."
                        If you now hang up a poll - for what kind of power - Soviet or Yeltsin-Putin, then normal people will answer on the merits of the question - FOR Soviet power, and those who, under this Yeltsin-Putin power, "and now are better than under Soviet power", will answer in accordance with their mentality, they will selflessly rush to malice AGAINST Soviet power. That's it, I am finishing the dialogue with you, you, like all enemies of the communists, are not capable of discussions about the history of your country.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 12 September 2020 13: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: tatra
                        then normal people will answer on the merits of the question - FOR Soviet power

                        For a total deficit? For coupons for everything? For the queue? For interethnic conflicts?
                        Question: who are these "normal" people? Born after the collapse of the USSR?
                      3. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 12 September 2020 22: 30 New
                        -3
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, again everything is in full accordance with the mentality of the enemies of the communists, again "defense through attacks", the above was "and I have nothing to do with it", now it will be "and I am against the communists and for no one."
                        If you now hang up a poll - for what kind of power - Soviet or Yeltsin-Putin, then normal people will answer on the merits of the question - FOR Soviet power, and those who, under this Yeltsin-Putin power, "and now are better than under Soviet power", will answer in accordance with their mentality, they will selflessly rush to malice AGAINST Soviet power. That's it, I am finishing the dialogue with you, you, like all enemies of the communists, are not capable of discussions about the history of your country.

                        The question will you answer or not: "What have you achieved in life? What kind of" non-degradation "?
                      4. tatra
                        tatra 12 September 2020 22: 35 New
                        -1
                        Ha, and I perfectly understand - for what purpose the question was asked - to "move the arrows" from YOU, enemies of the communists, and to engage in your favorite criticism of others. And learn to behave in a civilized manner, and not as in the midst of a podzaborny punks.
                  2. Ded_Mazay
                    Ded_Mazay 12 September 2020 14: 34 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    In fact, they themselves are the main enemy of the communists. For no one has done more for their own ruin

                    You are trying in vain, there is a reinforced concrete wall with the inscription "Enemies of the Communists" for any arguments, including this one.
                  3. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 12 September 2020 19: 58 New
                    0
                    Reinforced concrete wall with the inscription "Enemies of the Communists". Rather, schizophrenia is pulsating.
                  4. Ded_Mazay
                    Ded_Mazay 12 September 2020 21: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Rather, schizophrenia is pulsating.
                    I don't understand this at all, and therefore I do not presume to judge. I just know that attempts to enter the discussion end with a reference to the "reinforced concrete argument" ...
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +5
    Well done ! But there are others who think only about their own well-being ...
    PS In the USSR, I don’t think you would be in poverty! hi
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 12 New
    -4
    Imagine, but really it was Lenin who invented the first special distributors of food in the face of general hunger. Trotsky in Mexico recalled that in 1918, members of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) gorged themselves on black and red caviar. But he explained this by the fact that the export of caviar from Russia stopped, and the caviar could deteriorate. Despite the fact that tens of thousands of people were starving to death.
  • Essex62
    Essex62 12 September 2020 11: 52 New
    +4
    That's right, the main thing is the stomach, the sausage. Stomach people rule social processes in the bourgeois RF.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 11 New
      -5
      Quote: Essex62
      People - stomachs rule

      Namely, they "rule".
      And all the party officials who shouted "If they have no bread, let them eat cakes" lost power. And now they will bind them with their teeth according to "socialism"
      Unless, of course, they themselves have not retrained into the bourgeoisie.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 12 September 2020 12: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        all sorts of party workers

        I am by no means a party worker and was not in power, but socialism was, I don't know, maybe I was lucky to live and work under socialism! And work now. There is a big difference!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 42 New
          -4
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          but socialism was

          When there is Ylita with servilat from the special distributor and "limit", returning home by "sausage train", this is not socialism.

          It ended under Khrushchev. When, after Stalin's death, the "leaders" decided that it was "time to live for themselves"
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 12 September 2020 13: 01 New
            +7
            If your vision of socialism is reduced to a cervelat from a distributor, then I have nothing to talk about with you!
            PS I always had a sausage in the fridge to eat .... Now how many varieties of sausage? You are happy, sorry that she is without meat ... hi
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 September 2020 13: 08 New
              -4
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              If your vision of socialism is reduced to a cervelat from a distributor, then I have nothing to talk about with you!

              If you are trying to pretend that the open inequality of citizens is absolutely normal for socialism, then there really is nothing.

              Quote: Uncle Lee
              I always had a sausage in the fridge to eat

              But we don't. I did not always have the opportunity to stand in a long line and buy coupons. Dad disappeared at the service until the evening, my mother worked in a neighboring city and did not have time to return from work before closing. Buses ran every hour and a half.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 12 September 2020 13: 20 New
                +8
                Quote: Spade
                open inequality

                What inequality! I could openly express my opinion to the director of the plant and put in place the secretary of the city committee ...
                Quote: Spade
                Dad in the service

                And I myself fed my family, my mother-in-law, my mother, I went on business trips all over Sakhalin and grew potatoes in my dacha ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 September 2020 13: 50 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  What inequality!

                  That is, a party clerk with a cervelat from a special distributor and a "limiter" with a kilogram of a "doctor's" one from a "sausage train" were actually equal?

                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  I could openly express my opinion to the director of the plant and put the secretary of the city committee in place ...

                  No questions.
                  But this opinion had to be correct. And flattering enough, because otherwise you would have had a lot of problems.

                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  And I myself fed my family, my mother-in-law, my mother, I went on business trips all over Sakhalin and grew potatoes in my dacha ...

                  "Dacha"? At the military?
                  Unless the "parquet" military enlistment offices had such opportunities.
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 12 September 2020 14: 07 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Spade
                    kilogram of "doctoral"

                    Again about the sausage! Now there are 100 varieties, are you satisfied? I don't see an answer!
                    Quote: Spade
                    a bunch of problems
                    There were problems without this ... flattering!
                    Quote: Spade
                    at the "parquet"
                    and where did you get the idea that I am a military man? I have worked at outposts, at PSKRs, at the border shipyard, on ships of various types and in the profession for over 50 years.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 12 September 2020 14: 11 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    Again about the sausage

                    No, this is not about sausage, this is about "equality"
                    Which cannot exist if there is no equal access to goods and benefits.
                    And don't try to pretend that you don't understand what I mean.

                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    and where did you get the idea that I am a military man?

                    What have you got to do with it?
                    My father was in the military. With all that it implies. So, in principle, we could not talk about any "dachas".
                  3. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 12 September 2020 14: 14 New
                    +6
                    We apparently lived in different countries!
                    Best wishes to you !
  • Essex62
    Essex62 12 September 2020 12: 28 New
    +1
    The working class lost power. Inertly watching the seizure of this power by a surrogate of the bourgeoisie, in the form of shopkeepers, currency dealers and thief-traders. After Stalin, the CPSU functionaries did not have personal power. They are like priests, they read sermons and they themselves gradually became these stomachs.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Essex62
      The working class lost power.

      Did he have one?
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 13 September 2020 09: 51 New
        +3
        Of course he did. Even my life is full of cases of confirmation. Only to prove this to the bourgeois liberd, like you, is useless and senseless. And I will not, I will save emotions for the cause.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 12 September 2020 20: 00 New
    -4
    Pies with Leaver - in Novocherkassk good "went".
  • apro
    apro 12 September 2020 12: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Even the communists prefer

    If the communists do not build communism, they are not communists ... adapted, traitors, random people.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 13 New
      -3
      Quote: apro
      If the communists do not build communism, they are not communists ... adapted, traitors, random people.

      And since no one is building communism in the world, there are no communists left.
      Accepted.
      1. apro
        apro 12 September 2020 12: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        And since communism in the world does not build

        This is purely your opinion.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 15 New
          -3
          Quote: apro
          This is purely your opinion.

          This is an objective reality.
          1. apro
            apro 12 September 2020 12: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            This is an objective reality.

            Everyone sees what he wants, who sees opportunities ... and who sees difficulties.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 22 New
              -3
              Quote: apro
              Everyone sees what he wants, who sees opportunities ... and who sees difficulties.

              General phrases cannot change reality.
              1. apro
                apro 12 September 2020 12: 32 New
                +4
                Quote: Spade
                General phrases cannot change reality.

                So she oysters you.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 September 2020 12: 45 New
                  -2
                  Quote: apro
                  So she oysters you.

                  Non-linear logic? laughing laughing laughing
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 September 2020 20: 03 New
              -3
              Just someone who lives in a fictional world - where someone builds communism, and someone lives in a real one - cruel, harsh and partially gray.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 13 September 2020 09: 57 New
                +3
                This is the gray you created. And the Soviet 50-80 is quite happy and cozy. For all. Margin tears good neighborly relations, between people, to shreds. And yet, yes, a violent jungle is coming.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 September 2020 11: 50 New
                  -2
                  I did not create it - it was created by nature from the very beginning as it is, and man, a part of nature lives according to its laws from which in socialism the collapse of the USSR clearly proved it.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 14 September 2020 08: 08 New
                    +2
                    Man is man because he can overcome animal instincts. We have proved it with our lives. We didn't hide anywhere, we just lived, were friends, loved, and created. And grabbers, thieves, agents of animal, Western life were isolated. Sometimes they leaned against the wall. You, and others like you, have destroyed our home, in an unrestrained pursuit of profit, reviving disgusting, anti-human, selfish capitalism.
          2. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 15 New
            -1
            Reality or not, Lenin's Mausoleum cannot be demolished. Just as it is impossible to demolish temples and monuments of any religion, not just the communist one. These are Christians and Muslims (and the Bolsheviks) distinguished themselves in the destruction of ancient and other churches. As a result, a very small number of ancient or ancient architectural masterpieces have survived to this day.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 September 2020 20: 37 New
              -2
              And no one will demolish it, Lenin will be buried and there will be something like a cascade of museums along the Kremlin wall.
              1. Aleksandr1971
                Aleksandr1971 14 September 2020 04: 07 New
                +1
                And tell me, Vadim237 (Vadim),
                1) the remains of Yaroslav the Wise, which are put on public display at the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, also need to be buried?
                2) the body of Lama Itigelov, located in the Ivolginsky Datsan, also needs to be buried?
                3) the remains of the first man Lucy, which are in the museum, also need to be buried?

                The list of questions can be continued indefinitely - Miklouho-Maclay in the Kunstkamera St. Petersburg, Mao Zedong in the Mausoleum in Beijing, Ho Chi Minh City ..... .. ...
  • Hermit
    Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 04 New
    11
    Quote: apro
    no need to remember socialism in a bourgeois state

    The bourgeois are afraid of the return of Soviet power. And they will do everything to destroy all Soviet yes
  • AK1972
    AK1972 12 September 2020 11: 08 New
    18
    On the question of the importance of personality in history. The imperialists are afraid of Lenin even when he is dead. They need to erase the memory of the revolution in order to avoid repetition.
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 September 2020 11: 53 New
      +3
      Criminals and parasites, who have enriched themselves by robbing Russia and its people, want to destroy even the memory that a State can exist for the people.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 12 September 2020 11: 09 New
    12
    Quote: tralflot1832
    The best winner, no one does anything. It's a lie.

    No, this is a test of the reaction of society, everything is much more serious, and whoever decided to organize it is definitely the enemy! sad
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 September 2020 11: 09 New
    +8
    We have become too childish, indifferent!
    I am not a great admirer of relics, BUT, this is our history and distorting it for the sake of the present ..... I consider it a crime.
    We need to seek and develop ideas that unite us, and not vice versa! ...
    On the good, all those organizers-provocateurs need to trim the faces about the table !!! but no one with with with! Those who are successors, admirers, and are again engaged in chatting in general and their selfish deeds .... and the public is far from all this and even further.
    PS but for the power and everything else to those who have it, it's like a GIFT, to quarrel the people again and again! Divide and conquer their purpose.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 September 2020 13: 55 New
      +7
      Have a nice day, laughing respected! You know, Victor, I understand that having started such actions, there will be neither Lenin's body, nor the Mausoleum at all. This is the ultimate goal. Remember the tagged slogan --- more socialism. And then what.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 September 2020 15: 11 New
        +2
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        What will happen next has not yet been determined!
        But what is happening NOW is quite understandable .... for US, our PEOPLE, they took up thoroughly and specifically! They want to drive us out of us, make us forget everything SOVIET, and this is just for the beginning! And then they will take on all RUSSIAN! And they will try to make us the same as they ...
        Then EVERYTHING, then their victory, then on the planet there will be only people like themselves.
        After all, there is a greater threat, more such strong, but not like them, NO!
        Everything was logical, everything was predictable!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 12 September 2020 15: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          .. for US, our PEOPLE, they took up thoroughly and specifically! They want to expel from us, make us forget everything SOVIET, and this is just for the beginning! And then they will take on all RUSSIAN! And they will try to make us the same as they ... t!
          This is yes. We took it. The destruction of the USSR, Victor, shows that there is a desire to create servants for oneself, but not an equal.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 September 2020 15: 52 New
            +3
            For the elite of the brazenly Saxon world, ALL servants or enemies, there is no third option. This is nothing new.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 12 September 2020 16: 13 New
              +5
              It seems to me that if the traitors of the USSR were counting on equality with the bourgeoisie, then the present consciously go to serve
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 September 2020 16: 32 New
                +2
                A small fish always goes to feed the sharks .... and in the ocean of the world of business, sharks have long been upset .... and they have stuck their own for a long time! The rest goes to feed.
                Therefore, who are smarter hid in our shallow pond and tremble with fear.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 12 September 2020 16: 39 New
                  +4
                  Quote: rocket757
                  A small fish always goes to feed the sharks .... and in the ocean of the world of business, sharks have long been upset .... and they have stuck their own for a long time! The rest goes to feed ..... ha.
                  the competition stuck for the place, probably.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 12 September 2020 11: 13 New
    -1
    Without solving the question of the further finding of Lenin's body there, the fate of the mausoleum cannot be decided. Perhaps it makes sense to think about moving the mausoleum. Expensive, but technically feasible. For example, to Ulyanovsk. Lenin's body can be left there, but buried. I saw something similar in Ulan Bator. In a similar mausoleum there are not bodies, but the graves of Sukhe-Bator and Choybolsan.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 18 New
      +3
      A question for you, rudolff (rudolff) - why bury Lenin's body? He was not a Christian, Russia is a secular state, about Lenin's will, where he allegedly wrote that he wanted to be buried, is not known for certain. Let it be as it is. Otherwise, after 100 years, Lenin will have to be cloned and once again made into a mummy for the mausoleum, similar to how the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was cloned.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 12 September 2020 16: 39 New
        +2
        I do not have any weighty arguments in favor of burying Lenin's body, except for my purely personal and subjective opinion. I just think that this is somehow not human. The body should be buried or burnt, depending on the accepted traditions, or, in extreme cases, serve medicine. But to expose the body of a deceased person on display, turning it into a cult or a show ... is impossible.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 51 New
          +1
          Lenin is no longer a man after death. He is a symbol of the communist religion. I'm not a communist. I make money with my small business. I am also not a Christian, but an atheist. But I believe that religious symbols cannot be destroyed. I travel a lot and to myself make fun of sacred places in different countries. But I consider it inadmissible to outrage the feelings of believers. Although earlier in the tourist group he often ridiculed Christian places in Israel, Jordan and Syria. Now for this I am a little ashamed.

          If the Mausoleum is destroyed and the communists are deprived of their shrine, then what will we be better than the Christians who ruined many thousands of architectural masterpieces of Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece and many other countries, including Ancient Rus? Nothing better. And the world would be better if these masterpieces survived to this day.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 12 September 2020 11: 15 New
    +2
    Again, the Russophobes liberals unbelted ...
    1. Hermit
      Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 05 New
      12
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Again, the Russophobes liberals unbelted ...

      These liberoids have not yet unraveled. This is just the beginning. Wait, they won't do that yet.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 12 September 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    The moment of truth is coming ...
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 36 New
      0
      Truth is in wine .... (in fortified)
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 12 September 2020 11: 17 New
    +4
    I suspect that all the people will have to chip in and redeem the Movsoleum, but capitalism. negative
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2020 11: 18 New
    14
    That's right. It is necessary to complete the process of decommunization and de-Sovietization of the country, with the mausoleum in Russia the evenings are not so delightful, with balls, beauties, junkers, the crunch of French rolls with champagne and Schulbert waltzes. And you can already calmly perceive the "Leninapad" and alterations of monuments Lenin, the demolition of Soviet monuments in other states. laughing We are outraged by people like that, how bad they are, they do not remember history, but we ourselves do the same. Apparently, we are tired of nailing up the mausoleum on May 9 every year. That is why such an idea arose from a public organization. Opchest demands. laughing
  • Radikal
    Radikal 12 September 2020 11: 18 New
    +7
    Quote: apro
    The destruction of the Soviet legacy will continue ... slowly but surely, the memory of socialism in a bourgeois state is not needed, and there is no one to stop it ...

    This stuffing - just before this article was on the topic of fakes, and other elements, it is not only provocative, it is explosive. We decided to test - to probe the society on a well-known topic, at the same time to check the reaction and capabilities of the Communist Party - in principle, a three-way move, in the style of his friends in Jerusalem.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 September 2020 11: 19 New
    12
    I propose to use the place of execution for its historical purpose, to start with the organizers of this competition.
  • jeka424
    jeka424 12 September 2020 11: 21 New
    -8
    to make a museum dedicated to that period, this is history
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 12 September 2020 11: 36 New
      +3
      uncle, this is the museum and history
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 12 September 2020 11: 25 New
    -9
    The wheel of history has turned. 100 years ago, the communists, without any competitions, demolished monuments to the tsars, pulled them out of their graves. Now it's the turn of the communists.
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 September 2020 11: 37 New
      +9
      No, everything is much more monstrous. If the Communist Bolsheviks destroyed something yy, then they gave the country and the people much more. And you, enemies of Lenin, who seized the USSR, are only capable of destroying, destroying, taking away from the country and the people, instilling anger and hatred, slandering the history of our country, but you are not able to GIVE ANYTHING good to the country and the people. And you are constantly doing the same thing that you present for the crimes of the communists, cowardly justifying this by the fact that the communists did it.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 12 September 2020 11: 54 New
        -6
        We were born in the USSR and raised by you! We are not aliens. What you took off is what you collected. Stop disclaiming responsibility. Be at least men
        1. tatra
          tatra 12 September 2020 12: 01 New
          +2
          Here, the eternal cowardly ideology of the enemies of the communists "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame." The Soviet and anti-Soviet people on the territory of the USSR are fundamentally different in EVERYTHING, including the fact that the Soviet people are FOR, including for Lenin, and the anti-Soviet people are evil, aggressive, cowardly AGAINST, and FOR for their country and people, including at least one leader your State, you DO NOT. The anti-Soviet people do not have a positive history of their country before their capture of the USSR, and the history of your post-Soviet period is only what you HAVE at the expense of someone else's labor, at the expense of your country and people.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 12 September 2020 12: 16 New
            -2
            Listen, stop broadcasting slogans and labeling everyone who disagrees with you. We plow and work, as much as you personally have not plowed. And do not nod at the Komsomol members of the 20-30-40's. You have nothing to do with them. They sat for salaries and slowly dragged from work everything that was bad.
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 September 2020 12: 20 New
              -1
              Well, again, the cowardly response of the enemies of the Communists to all accusations against them is in the style of "defending oneself in turn by attacking others." So their only justification in 30 years for their seizure of the USSR is malice against those from whom they took the country, because FOR themselves, FOR what they have done, they have nothing.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 12 September 2020 11: 26 New
    +7
    The opinion is expressed on the network that the competition for the Mausoleum "without Lenin" - provocation.
    Definitely.
    and also think over a route connecting the Museum of Russian Architecture and the mausoleum.
    There is only one route - to send the initiators of the three-letter "competition" through the Kolyma and Magadan mines. For the remaining "initiators" there is a proposal - to equip a museum of architecture in the Yeltsin Center, and to demolish the monument to Yeltsin, as a symbol of shame and ruin of Russia.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 36 New
      +3
      I would personally kill such architects
  • tatra
    tatra 12 September 2020 11: 31 New
    +6
    Lenin in the Mausoleum in the post-Soviet period is much more important than in the Soviet period. He clearly defines those who are for all the best for their country and people, for respect for the history of their country, and those who, only for everything that is bad for their country and people, hate the history of their country, great people and heroes of their country and people.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 12 September 2020 11: 35 New
    +8
    In Ukraine, monuments to Lenin were brought down and this Putin's political regime there too. They fight the Soviet past without sparing their belly. To be afraid of Lenin and the dead. Who gave the right to some union of architects to decide something there? let these ideas be shoved into their anus. Either they covered the mausoleum with rags, now they covered it with plywood, so that the Soviet past does not remind the ghouls on whose bones they dance
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 29 New
      +1
      Monuments to Lenin in Ukraine will not be restored, but even the current Ukrainian regime has a head on a thread
      1. Hermit
        Hermit 14 September 2020 22: 06 New
        11
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Monuments to Lenin in Ukraine will not be restored

        Who knows ... Nobody could predict the future yet. At one time, no one thought that the People's Soviet Power would come to power in the Russian Empire.
  • Seaflame
    Seaflame 12 September 2020 11: 39 New
    -6
    Bury it humanly, they made some kind of exhibit out of it, and now it's also a cause for contention. Ilyich himself would have been shocked by this!