Secret war behind enemy lines. German agents among the partisans

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Faced with a powerful partisan movement after the attack on the Soviet Union (the first directives on the relevant issue appeared in the active army at the end of July 1941), the military leadership of Nazi Germany very quickly became convinced of the extremely low effectiveness of using conventional methods and means to fight the people's avengers. used to defeat the enemy at the front. Then other tricks were used.

Initially, the Nazis, seeing in the partisan formations only units and subunits of the Red Army that had "fought off" the main forces (as it often was), tried to act against them, using large military formations with the support of motorized groups and aviation... However, this tactic proved ineffective. Already at the end of summer - beginning of autumn 1941, attempts by army generals to "smoke" the Belarusian partisans from their bases and destroy the detachments that had settled in swamps and forests were a fiasco.



The forest will cover at least one soldier from the plane with its crowns, at least a hundred. A tank, even the lightest, is useless in the forest and in the swamp: it can only be destroyed there. In addition, the roar of engines working at the limit warns of the approach of the enemy better than any reconnaissance and gives time to retreat into the impassable jungle. But the Wehrmacht soldiers were not eager to climb into the thicket, where a bullet would come from behind every tree. All this forced the leadership of the army and special services of the Third Reich, involved in the Eastern Front and the occupied Soviet territories, to use much more sophisticated techniques.

I have already talked about the creation of false "partisan detachments", whose goal was both the physical destruction of real people's avengers and their compromise in the eyes of the local population, in a previous publication on this topic. However, it was not always possible to recruit a whole group of traitors in a particular locality. In addition, in certain cases, the work of lone agents was much more effective. It is not surprising that already in 1941 the Nazis began to develop and introduce new methods.

“It is necessary to create the most extensive network of secret agents, providing them with detailed instructions and appearances. The creation of such an organization is entrusted as a joint task to the divisions engaged in the protection of the rear of the German troops and the secret field gendarmerie. "

These are lines from a directive issued in September 1941 by the head of the rear of the Northern Front of the Nazi troops. Local units of the Abwehr (military intelligence and counterintelligence of the Third Reich), local commandant's offices, SD, as well as Gestapo officers operating in the occupied territories were engaged in similar matters. In 1942, due to the fact that the partisan movement continued to gain more and more strength, the so-called Sonderstab R (Special Headquarters "Russia") was created, which oversaw the fight against the people's avengers.

From whom exactly did the invaders recruit their agents? Several categories should be distinguished. The best candidates for open and tacit cooperation were seen by the Nazis as those who directly or indirectly suffered from the Soviet regime - both during the revolution and civil war, and afterwards. The Germans, who did not like this public very much, treated the criminal element with great distrust and disgust, trying to use it exclusively for the dirtiest and most bloody affairs.

But "representatives of the outskirts of the USSR", by which the Nazis meant primarily the inhabitants of the Baltic states, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, were in their favor. The local nationalists generally represented a real find for the invaders, since they were eager to serve not only for selfish reasons, but also "for the idea." Also, recruiting approaches to prisoners of war, primarily to the partisans who fell into the hands of the invaders, were undertaken without fail. Here the price for "cooperation" was the life of themselves and their loved ones, as well as the end of torture and abuse.

However, the issue of material incentives for traitors by the Germans was worked out with all their inherent thoroughness and pedantry. Here is an excellent example: an order for the 28th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht, which specifies the amount of remuneration that can be paid to representatives of the local population for fighting the partisans or for information about them: up to 100 rubles. At the same time, however, the denunciations made must have been "solid". It should also be mentioned that in the case of the local population, the overwhelming majority of the recruited targets were women. And the point here was not so much the sophistication and lack of principle of the Nazis, as the fact that there were very few men left in the occupied territories.

A special danger was posed by agents and provocateurs, not just hastily recruited from the local population through threats and primitive bribery, but persons who had undergone thorough training in special schools, which were usually run by the Abwehr or the Gestapo. It is reliably known about the training of groups of anti-partisan provocateurs in a number of similar "educational institutions" located on the territory of the occupied Baltic. They existed, however, in many other places. The Soviet counterintelligence agencies, SMERSH and the NKVD, paid increased attention to identifying and destroying such "snake nests". Often by sending in their own agents, including recruited graduates.

How did the agents of the invaders act? The ideal option was the penetration of its representatives into partisan detachments in order to transmit to the Nazis the most accurate information about their composition, number, armament, as well as the locations of partisan bases and their protection and defense systems. Also, those who embarked on the path of betrayal could be assigned the task of destroying partisan warehouses, eliminating commanders and commissars, or even poisoning all fighters. Sometimes, however, the game was played with more subtle methods: the agents sent were supposed to corrupt discipline among the people's avengers, persuade them to drunkenness, looting, disobeying orders, sowing panic rumors, and demoralizing the partisans.

Such moments were important for the German fascist invaders. This is evidenced by at least an excerpt from a special document that appeared in 1942, entitled "Special instructions for the fight against partisans", which clearly states that any raids and operations against the people's avengers without prior intelligence information about them are a matter of "absolutely ineffectual ”and you shouldn't even try to carry them out. Based on this, it can be argued that the cause of the death of the absolute majority of the partisan detachments and underground cells destroyed by the Nazis was precisely the betrayal and the activities of enemy agents.
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  1. -22
    13 September 2020 05: 00
    Uncle Ivan, on the maternal side, was partisan ....... Wherever they could, he told me, the Germans got weapons and supplies for them ....... Themselves ... In -43 organized ... Moscow sent a political worker and started sending her weapons !!!!! Why do we need your WEAPON = throw the trophy ... Why do I need your PPSh - to him and your cartridges ....... Thank you for the tobacco ... ... Forced ...
    1. +19
      13 September 2020 05: 47
      Huh what )))?
      Okay, apparently what kind of article is such a comment on it. Sad ...
    2. +13
      13 September 2020 09: 09
      Article on the C grade. About nothing
      1. +2
        13 September 2020 22: 08
        Yes-ah! Not a single fact! About nothing!
    3. +9
      13 September 2020 10: 25
      .Moscow sent a political worker and began to send its weapons !!!!! Why do we need your WEAPON = throw trophy ... Why do I need your PPSh - for him and your cartridges ...

      For small operations and trophy "parabellum" is enough. For a serious war, that ours had to organize the production of German weapons? So everything was done logically, there is nothing to whine here.
      1. -16
        13 September 2020 11: 54
        Quote: Aviator_
        .Moscow sent a political worker and began to send its weapons !!!!! Why do we need your WEAPON = throw trophy ... Why do I need your PPSh - for him and your cartridges ...

        For small operations and trophy "parabellum" is enough. For a serious war, that ours had to organize the production of German weapons? So everything was done logically, there is nothing to whine here.

        Parabelluom shoot yourself ...... Officer if ..... no hang yourself ..... Why do I need in the forests, in the swamps occupied by RUSSIAN WEAPONS? Trophy weapons in abundance ... Ammunition, however, got in battle ...
        1. +4
          13 September 2020 14: 59
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Why do I need in the forests, in the swamps occupied by RUSSIAN WEAPONS? There are plenty of captured weapons ...

          This "unnecessary" RUSSIAN WEAPON "is still being mined by" black diggers "in considerable quantities in the same" forests and swamps "! ... And ammunition, in addition" ...! A significant amount of weapons, including artillery and tanks, were often thrown into the "forests and swamps"! If the partisans used heavy weapons in small numbers and sporadically, then this can be due to objective reasons: a complex landscape not very suitable for moving heavy weapons, difficulty for maneuvering ... or even a lack of specialists! There ... where partisan detachments grew in number, united ... liberated territories were formed, heavy weapons were used by partisans more widely ...
        2. +9
          13 September 2020 22: 23
          Trophy is it German or Italian, Austrian, French?
          There's an answer?
          From the stories of the partisans, 15 policemen surrendered, and they have French rifles and a handful of cartridges for each rifle. The rifles are beautiful, but without cartridges. We buried them and that's it.
          So, what weapon did your grandfather use to fight? Purely Germanic?
      2. +3
        13 September 2020 16: 16
        Quote: Aviator_
        For a serious war, that ours had to organize the production of German weapons? So everything was done logically, there is nothing ............

        The logic is different. There were enough trophies. Behind enemy lines, it is more logical to fight with enemy weapons.
        1. 0
          13 September 2020 16: 59
          Quote: Pavel57
          Quote: Aviator_
          For a serious war, that ours had to organize the production of German weapons? So everything was done logically, there is nothing ............

          The logic is different. There were enough trophies. Behind enemy lines, it is more logical to fight with enemy weapons.

          Almost 80 years have passed since the war and diggers are raising serviceable weapons and ammunition ...
          In the 70s, tanks abandoned in the forests were still standing, then they began to cut them up and take them out ..
          When I was a child, I threw cartridges found on the battlefields of the Civil War into the fire, and they ALL(!!!!!!)clicked
          So don't talk about the lack of ammunition and weapons in the battlefield ...
          Another thing is if the detachment was based where the spacecraft retreated quickly, without fighting ...
    4. +6
      14 September 2020 12: 33
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      Uncle Ivan, on the maternal side, was partisan ....... Wherever they could, he told me, the Germans got weapons and supplies for them ....... Themselves ... In -43 organized ... Moscow sent a political worker and started sending her weapons !!!!! Why do we need your WEAPON = throw the trophy ... Why do I need your PPSh - to him and your cartridges ....... Thank you for the tobacco ... ... Forced ...

      Oh, I don't believe you ... or the tales of "Uncle Ivan" ... Organized only in 43, and before that, what were you doing?
      "..Moscow sent a political worker and began to send its weapons ..." Well, yes, just a political worker, not a commander who knows how to fight, but a political worker! And how did they only learn about the existence of an incomprehensible group, and so they learned that the little man was sent, and even supplied with weapons. Kovpak described what difficulties his detachment went through in order to establish contact with the mainland, and here you have people and weapons with ammunition ... I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
      1. 0
        17 September 2020 08: 27
        Max. the scope of the partisan movement was precisely the 43rd year, especially since in the spring there was a stand at the fronts, preparing for the event "Battle of Kursk".
  2. +11
    13 September 2020 06: 35
    Yes, an article. I can hardly imagine the Baltic states as an agent, with their accent, I am a Volga citizen. They actively served the Germans without any schools. It seems that the schools were preparing saboteurs to be sent to the rear of our troops. And against the partisans, but what to teach? To use a radio, a parachute? The article is of course tryndets.
    1. +4
      13 September 2020 07: 22
      The schools were multidisciplinary, they trained not only saboteurs for operations in the rear in the Soviet Army, but also for fighting the underground and partisans.
      It should also be mentioned that in the case of the local population, the overwhelming majority of the recruited targets were women.
      ... It is also an interesting passage, they say there were few men, there were also enough men from local concentration camps ...
    2. +3
      13 September 2020 13: 44
      However, perfect knowledge of the Russian language did not help either. So what was the cunning beginning. Skorzeny's headquarters, Sturmbannführer Adrian von Felkerzam, went through the whole war as a saboteur, and in the 45th got stuck in an attempt to cross the front line back to his own.
      By the way, he was the grandson of the Russian admiral von Felkerzam, who commanded a detachment in Rozhdestvensky's squadron during the campaign to Tsushima.
      1. VIP
        +4
        13 September 2020 15: 09
        The grandfather fought for Russia, and the grandson was against.
        I read somewhere that Pushkin's grandson, there was a Kaiser officer in WWI and wrote a report to be transferred to the western front so as not to fight against his own
        1. -9
          13 September 2020 17: 37
          ..for which Russia ???. the one where admirals and naval officers were raised on bayonets and drowned with whole barges ??? .. and what is the loss of Honor for an ethnic German to fight for his Country ?? .. or EVERYTHING for the good of the commies is Good and what is not - exclusively Treason and Dirt ??
          1. +6
            13 September 2020 22: 38
            Russia alone, regardless of who is at the helm of power.
          2. 0
            17 September 2020 08: 28
            The barge is property, no one drowned in them.
            1. -1
              17 September 2020 18: 58
              ... read the history of Crimea in 2020 ... how s-ka Zemlyachka ruled and how General Brusilov gave guarantees to all officers and families of officers who remained in Crimea ... if your nerves are strong - get answers ... but you are SURE that you are right .. so that the point is to prove something to you ..
      2. +2
        13 September 2020 22: 15
        Sorry, but not quite so about Adrian - he was really killed by his own people, but by accident either in a Moscow shootout, or shot by a sentry. By the way, the omniscient Vicki also does not clearly say about its end.
        1. +3
          13 September 2020 22: 36
          I don't communicate with Vicki. Information about Felkersam from Julius Madera, the one who wrote the book about Skorzeny. And the submarine commander Wolfgang Lut was shot by the sentry.
          1. +2
            14 September 2020 05: 44
            That's right, Lyut and someone else from the leadership of the Wehrmacht, but I don't remember specifically.
    3. +2
      13 September 2020 15: 48
      Article of course tryndets

      Here I agree, it is difficult to overestimate it, but it is no less difficult to agree with your other statements.
      For example
      I can hardly imagine the Baltic states as an agent, with their accent

      And why should he pass himself off as a Volzhan, the Balts were the same Soviet people.
      Or
      And against the partisans, but what to teach?

      the article says
      Sometimes, however, the game was played by more subtle methods: the agents sent were supposed to corrupt discipline among the people's avengers, persuade them to drunkenness, looting, disobeying orders, sowing panic rumors, and demoralizing the partisans.

      How do you imagine that? Like, a detachment is preparing for a combat exit, and then one gets up and shouts: "Brothers, give up this dirty business, let's better not swell for a week, and then let's go sign up for the shock construction sites of the Reich." So what do you think? And how long will such an agent live?
      1. 0
        13 September 2020 16: 06
        Well, you have to look at the kins, in each hut, a couple of quarters are buried underground, muddy moonshine, stuffed with straw or paper. And each policeman, pulling the plug with his teeth, with the obligatory chpok, sucked half a bottle. Well, the partisans watched and envied. And about the Balts, something did not even ask this question. And they were taken into the army before the war? And probably not everyone had passports. By the way, Rudel described one episode in Crimea. ... Seeing a group of bearded people in robes and hats at the airport, he asked who it was. These were representatives of the clergy of the Caucasus, they were supposed to be thrown into the rear of the Russians, as far as the Urals.
        1. 0
          13 September 2020 17: 53
          in each hut, a couple of quarters of muddy moonshine stuffed with straw or paper are buried underground. And each policeman, pulling the plug with his teeth, with the obligatory chpok, sucked half a bottle. Well, the partisans watched and envied.

          Funny yeah laughing laughing laughing drinks
          And about the Balts, something did not even ask this question. And they were taken into the army before the war?

          After the annexation of the Baltic States in the 40th, their Armed Forces became part of the Red Army. They did not even change their uniforms, they only changed their insignia. Imagine how colorful the Red Army men looked in stalheims. In the war, the Baltic national formations were always present in the army in the field, and the corresponding contribution was made.
          More details can be found here.
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/05/17/k-75-letiyu-pobedy-pribaltiyskiy-vklad-v-razgrom-nacistskoy-germanii
          1. +1
            13 September 2020 21: 15
            Not only helmets, but uniforms, weapons, vehicles were German or similar. I read in my memoirs how a part of the air defense with anti-aircraft guns retreated in the 41st and was surrounded. They escaped impudently: they joined the German column and drove for several tens of kilometers to the front line, then simply drove into the location of the Red Army. By the way, some of them showed themselves well in the defense of Moscow.
            1. +1
              13 September 2020 22: 48
              Well, in principle, that's what I wrote: only the insignia were changed, but everything is correct. By the way, in the article to which I gave the link, there are pictures of what those fighters looked like.
          2. +1
            21 September 2020 10: 21
            I followed the link, read it, learned a lot, thanks!
            1. 0
              22 September 2020 04: 45
              You're welcome hi wink
        2. +3
          13 September 2020 20: 45
          Quote: Free Wind
          ... By the way, Rudel described one episode in Crimea. ... Seeing a group of bearded people in robes and hats at the airport, he asked who it was. These were representatives of the clergy of the Caucasus, they were supposed to be thrown into the rear of the Russians, as far as the Urals.

          Well, Rudel is understandable. He was not very strong in our reality, but why are you rewriting this crap?
          Quote: Free Wind
          representatives of the clergy of the Caucasus, they had to be thrown into the rear of the Russians, as far as the Urals.

          Have you ever seen one in the eyes what he looks like? In a Circassian coat, a turban and beyond the Urals, to decompose the rear of the Red Army ... Isn't it funny yourself? Caucasian clergy in robes ?! There are either Orthodox priests or Muslim mullahs. No other is given!
  3. +4
    13 September 2020 06: 41
    Based on this, it can be argued that the cause of the death of the absolute majority of the partisan detachments and underground cells destroyed by the Nazis was precisely the betrayal and the activities of enemy agents.
    .... Why is it possible, it was so ...
  4. +8
    13 September 2020 11: 47
    According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the losses of prisoners during the Second World War amounted to 4 million 559 thousand people. Unfortunately, among them there were tens of thousands of scoundrels who agreed to work and study in the schools of scouts and saboteurs.

    There is evidence that if in 1941, compared with 1939, the deployment of German agents in the USSR (especially, of course, in the rear of the retreating Soviet troops in the summer and autumn of this year) increased 14 times, then in 1942 - 31, and in 1943 year - 43 times.

    The expanded network of reconnaissance and sabotage schools bore fruit. In 1942 alone, more than 7 thousand spies and about 2, 5 thousand saboteurs and radio operators passed through them. Referring to German archives, the authors argue that only one Abwehr in Operation Zeppelin put into operation about 1942 thousand agents in 20 (twice as many as in 1941). In the first six months of 1943, their number also almost doubled in comparison with the previous year.

    Attention was drawn to the fact that undercover groups, especially sabotage groups, had a large number, and their infiltration took place at relatively short intervals.

    According to the documentary data of the Abwehr, only one of its units - "Abwehr command-104" - from October 1942 to September 1943, threw 150 groups of spies and saboteurs, each of three to ten people, into the rear of the Red Army.

    Of course, the quality of training for such groups could not be ideal. But the Germans took, if not quality, then quantity. Most of them, unambiguously, fell into the hands of the NKVD, which made it possible to significantly minimize the harm they caused, including to the partisan movement.
    1. BAI
      +6
      13 September 2020 17: 36
      Unfortunately, among them there were tens of thousands of scoundrels who agreed to work and study in the schools of scouts and saboteurs.

      Enough people went there to return and surrender immediately.
      For example:
      In the sabotage school, one of the "militants" - a native of the Komi ASSR, junior lieutenant of the Red Army Alexander Doronin (captured by the Germans in February 43) began to "decompose" the group members, offering to go and surrender to the representatives of the Soviet government immediately after being dropped by parachutes. Surprisingly, in the shortest possible time he received the consent of all (!) Saboteurs. The overwhelming majority of our prisoners of war worked for the Germans under threat of death. Everyone did this in order to escape from the SS concentration camps, where thousands of people died of hunger and were held in terrible conditions. They did not even think of any loyalty to the Fuhrer.

      Yes, when Doronin's group immediately surrendered - no one was repressed, after the war everyone went home.
      1. +3
        13 September 2020 19: 20
        I don’t believe in fairy tales for a long time, but for example, such cases also took place.
        However, when we read that
        only one Abwehr in Operation Zeppelin put into operation about 1942 thousand agents in 20 (twice as many as in 1941). In the first six months of 1943, their number also almost doubled in comparison with the previous year.
        , then this means that:
        in 1941, 10 people were abandoned
        in 1942, 20 people were abandoned
        for 6 months of 1943 another 20 people
        In total, for two and a half years 50 people.
        These people were fed, watered, clothed and taught from three weeks (saboteurs) to three to six months (radio operators and spies). I doubt that the Germans set up such transfer points from their schools for those wishing to go home.
        1. 0
          14 September 2020 05: 51
          in the first six months of 1943, their number also almost doubled in comparison with the previous year.
          You have a slight inaccuracy, if in 1942 it was 20, then for half a year in 000 about 1943.
          1. 0
            14 September 2020 06: 21
            So, there are only about 70 people? Okay. But this does not change the essence.
  5. +10
    13 September 2020 13: 38
    Yes, an article ... Better to re-read Bogomolov's "Moment of Truth" for the tenth time than wasting time on it about anything.
    1. +1
      13 September 2020 13: 42
      Quote: Sea Cat
      re-read Bogomolov's Moment of Truth,

      Or? Or watch the trilogy about Mlynsky! * Front behind the front line *, etc.
      By the way! I answered your question in the article with congratulations! Once again, Happy Tankman Day! drinks
      1. +2
        13 September 2020 13: 50
        Yeah, I've already looked. drinks
    2. VIP
      +2
      13 September 2020 15: 18
      No comparison: Bogomolov is a talent, not a hack. His book turned out to be at the level of a movie. It happens that after a movie you don't want to read a book, but on an equal footing
      1. +5
        13 September 2020 15: 34
        Bogomolov refused to have his name mentioned in the credits of the film, there were too many blunders in it. I saw Vladimir Osipovich's speech on television and heard him explain why he quarreled with the director. I didn’t have a film before this performance, the director needed to have at least no less talent than the author of the book had, and Ptashuk simply could not pull it off. But this is exclusively my opinion and I do not impose it on anyone.
        1. +4
          13 September 2020 17: 44
          ... so after all, the selection of actors is not so hot ... and if the cap Alyokhin (Mironov) zer Gut and Marchenko (Baluev) ... then some of Galkin Tamantsev (and after all, the central figure is something) well, what is the 'Pendulum' 'performed by him ... oh, a disgrace and only .. (well, not Equilibrium at all, yeah) ... so the film did not come in ...
          1. +4
            13 September 2020 18: 09
            Regarding the actors, I completely agree with you, it is impossible to make Galkin-Tamantsev, with Mironov a complete hit, but for the role of Blinov they chose something incomprehensible and incomprehensible. Baluev was able to make the role of Mishchenko with almost one facial expression and eyes - a talented man. I also liked Pavlov in the role of the quartermaster at the warehouse, but otherwise ... And the camera work there is generally down the drain.
            1. +2
              13 September 2020 19: 40
              Colleagues, I recommend the book by Anatoly Tereshchenko "SMERSH in battle" on this topic
              A unique book of memoirs of SMERSH officers. Memoirs and interviews of veterans of military counterintelligence on the activities of the GUKR "Death to spies!" during the Great Patriotic War and immediately after it.
              The frank stories of the "wolfhound" operatives about the hunt for German spies, saboteurs, OUN members, about "cleaning up the rear" and "work behind the front", power detentions and months of radio games - about the best special operations of SMERSH, who defeated the agents of the Third Reich.
              Lots of documents, photos and diagrams.
              The author of this book, himself a military counterintelligence officer, for many years collected testimonies from colleagues about what he saw and experienced. For obvious reasons - the specifics of their work, the habit of secrecy - SMERSH veterans practically do not write memoirs and are extremely reluctant to give interviews. This book is the rarest exception.
              ISBN: 978-5-699-40511-4
              The year of publishing: 2010
              Publishing house: Eksmo, Yauza
              1. +4
                13 September 2020 20: 01
                Thank you, Dmitry, I will definitely download it.
              2. +2
                13 September 2020 20: 53
                Quote: Rich
                Colleagues, I recommend the book by Anatoly Tereshchenko "SMERSH in battle" on this topic

                Tereshchenko also has "Purgatory of SMERSH", "The Woman's Face of SMERSH", "Shield and Sword" of Major Zorich ", all books about military counterintelligence during the Great Patriotic War, can be downloaded at Liters
                1. +2
                  13 September 2020 20: 57
                  Thank you, Yuri, for the hint, can you tell the ISBN? I would also download
                  1. +2
                    13 September 2020 21: 07
                    In the search engine, type the site "Liters", and there, under the section - "Military literature" or "Intelligence, special services", I do not remember exactly and, unfortunately, did not save the address.
                    1. +3
                      13 September 2020 21: 09
                      I'm going to try now. Thanks again hi
                      1. +3
                        13 September 2020 21: 17
                        Quote: Rich
                        I'm going to try now. Thanks again

                        And on traitors there are interesting books by Zhukov and Kovtun "Russian Police", "29th SS Division", I. Gribkov "Special Headquarters Russia"
            2. +3
              13 September 2020 22: 37
              "Red diplomatic couriers"
              The film is based on the real story of the death of the diplomatic courier Theodor Nette.
              Other prototypes of the characters in the film, besides Theodor Nette, were Andrei Bogun and Vladimir Urasov.
              VLADIMIR RUDIM
              "BALLAD OF DIPCOURIERS"
              I liked this book as a child.
            3. +3
              13 September 2020 22: 45
              There was an attempt to shoot "The Moment of Truth" even before Ptashuk, But again Bogomolov did not like it and even the tapes with the footage were washed away at his request! It can be seen that his character is not easy. And even Stephen King could not shoot from books!
              I tried to film it myself according to my own script based on his own work "Trucks". And the horror movie "Maximum Acceleration" came out.
              The result of this attempt:
              the film was nominated for two awards: Golden Raspberry, Worst Director (Stephen King) and Worst Actor (Emilio Estevez).
              So Bogomolov himself would have tried to make a film based on his own book!
              And I would have looked at the results!
              1. +6
                13 September 2020 23: 26
                Hi Aleksey. hi
                So Bogomolov himself would have tried to make a film based on his own book!

                Everyone must do their job. Bogomolov did his own thing, but a worthy director has not yet been found.
                Vytautas Zhalyakyavichus tried to make the first film adaptation - they did not work with Bogomolov. Although Zhalachkevichus is a talented director, I consider his film "Nobody Wanted to Die" to be one of the best not only in our cinema.
                1. +3
                  13 September 2020 23: 34
                  Good evening, Constantine!
                  Likewise, the example Stephen King did not work with many directors. And he tried to prove that he himself can make a super film based on his own work! And his anger about "The Lawnmower" ...
                  The title is from his story, and the plot is a reworking of the work of a completely different writer. Flowers for Algernon is a science fiction story by Daniel Keyes.
                  It all comes down to finances and the timing of the movie itself!
                  Who can survive 3 hours or more in the auditorium ???
                  Or shoot in the format of a television series.
                  And the TV channels will say - we don't need this. And what to do?
                  Shooting a movie is like designing a weapon - a lot of compromises between the client and the performer!
          2. 0
            14 September 2020 14: 00
            I already wrote about Mironov - by the way, the Sea Cat - do you think that the actor with great suspicion of "non-traditionalism" adequately played the commander of the ORG Alekhine ??? Look at his dialogues - somehow "sweet", "tender". I want to spit. Alekhine in the book had calmness and intelligence. Have you seen this in Mironov's game? But Galkin played quite on the level - Wolfhound. The film failed largely due to the fact that it could not convey the full intensity of the passions and nerves of the book. For example - the load on Alekhine in ambush - to build out of himself a narrow-minded arborist. Simultaneously with this - 1. Control the behavior of the tested, including their location relative to the ambush. 2. Check their documents and look for inconsistencies in them. 3. Interrogate those being checked and look for inconsistencies in their legends in relation to each other and documents. 4. Look for signs of saboteurs in things being checked. 5. In the mind, "pump" examples of checked by dozens, and even hundreds of search orientations. Do you think that Mironov was able to convey all this?
            1. +4
              14 September 2020 14: 29
              Good afternoon, Alexey. hi
              To be honest, I don't care what orientation Mironov is, he is a wonderful actor. Tchaikovsky was also a non-traditionalist, so what?
              And as for his acting, everything depends no less on the director's attitude, the actor is a bondage being. And, yes, you are right, from the scene of Alekhin's "conversation" with the rogue driver (Boriskin, if I'm not mistaken) I also wanted to spit. As for Galkin, I disagree with you, Tamntsev, according to the book, is not only a wolfhound, but also an intellectual, and Galkin just mordovorot and played a mordovorot, but whoever likes it.
              It is really extremely difficult to make an ambush scene, and here again, 80 percent everything depends on the director and the operator.
              But on one thing we do not disagree - the picture is a failure, unfortunately.
              1. 0
                14 September 2020 14: 37
                Kind, Constantine. Do you watch films with Mironov, not Andrei? Have you noticed in his acting that he plays characters with a strong masculine character? Yes, take the same film based on Bushkov "Piranha Hunt"? He plays an insane criminal. Especially memorable was the moment when, in the "hunt" for fugitives, he commands Forward. Precisely without an exclamation mark. Let the Myshkins play, this is just in his role. But the counterintelligence officers in the war are too much. For .... "traditionalism" - somehow I began to watch Bondarchuk's "Quiet Don". So-so. Do you know who played Melekhov? Rupert Everett, kind of lord, and not kind of homo .... you get the idea. How will a rear-wheel drive man play people with a solid strong masculine character ??? lol
                And, Konstantin, Tamantsev was not an intellectual, he himself understood this, he is a specialist in a narrow profile, sharpened to identify and neutralize enemy agents. Indeed, according to the book, he is a "Legend", even SMERSH commuters from other fronts wanted to see him, as they had heard about him. But the ORG SMERSH is commanded not by the one who has dozens of neutralized agents on his account, but by the intellectual Alekhine. Tamantsev is the wolfhound cleaner who is given the command to Neutralize and he performs it quickly and skillfully. But those who give such commands, those who calculate objects for such commands - Polyakov and Alekhine.
                1. +3
                  14 September 2020 15: 03
                  Bondarchukov "Quiet Don" and did not look, why the hell to me this profanity, spat when I watched "Inhabited Island", such a director can disfigure any topic.
                  I cannot agree with you on Tamantsev, although, of course, Polyakov and Alyokhin are real intellectuals. I liked, by the way, how Baluev "blinded" Mishchenko - it was necessary to be able to, having said just a couple of words, so get into the image created by Bogomolov.
                  It is a pity that Zhalyukyaviches were not given the opportunity to complete his version, it would be interesting to see. Have you seen him "Centaurs" and "This sweet word is freedom"?
                  1. -1
                    14 September 2020 15: 10
                    No, I have not watched these films, it seems I have not watched them.
                    1. +2
                      14 September 2020 15: 23
                      "Centaurs" is a coup in Chile; Banionis played Allende, Lebedev played Pinochet.


                      The second film is also about Latin America.
                      1. -1
                        14 September 2020 20: 49
                        This one saw, it was like they called General Pino. I love "It's Raining in Santiago."
                  2. 0
                    21 September 2020 14: 30
                    Bondarchukov "Quiet Don" and did not look, why the hell to me this profanity, spat when I watched "Inhabited Island", such a director can disfigure any topic.

                    I forgot to write that "Quiet Don" was filmed not by his son Fedya, but by his father Fedor, like his last film. It was edited for a long time and was shown in the 2000s, after his death.
                    Melekhov's wife was played by Alena's daughter. And my mistress is Andreichenko, but I won't lie, I don't remember.
            2. +2
              14 September 2020 15: 04
              You watch his dialogues in the film, somehow "sweet", "tender".

              Good afternoon, Alexey. hi
              I was going to write the same about this, especially about the scene with the driver in the "moment of truth." But the resolve was not enough .... I was afraid to get the stigma of "a cowardly enemy of gay actors" from Tatra. smile
              1. +2
                14 September 2020 15: 08
                Dmitry, kind. Exactly. And when did you find earth in the handle of the Dodge driver's blade? Sandy loam, the purest sandy loam. And he spoke with such ... voluptuousness, as about ... a beloved (forgive me, Lord) man)))
                1. +3
                  14 September 2020 15: 25
                  In my opinion, you are still somewhat biased, Alexey. love
                  1. +5
                    14 September 2020 16: 37
                    Here they are the faces of real, not cinematic "wolfhounds" - fighters and commanders of front-line anti-sabotage fighter squads "SMERSH"
                    photo from the books of Anatoly Tereshchenko "SMERSH in battle" and "The female face of SMERSH"









                    1. +4
                      14 September 2020 17: 00
                      Since 5, the famous Soviet actor Pavel Borisovich Vinnik served in the SMERSH detachment of the 1944th Shock Army since XNUMX, at the beginning of the war he joined the Odessa fighter battalion and before the liberation of Odessa he was partisans in the Odessa catacombs. As Tereshchenko writes about him: - "He twice participated in hand-to-hand combat with German saboteurs. As part of the SMERSH army detachment, he took part in the storming and cleansing of Berlin."
                      1. +3
                        14 September 2020 17: 22
                        Pavel Borisovich Vinnik (1925-2011).

                        Two Orders of the Patriotic War II degree (7.6.1945 [2]; 6.4.1985 [3])
                        Order of the Red Star (27.2.1945) [4]
                        medal "For the capture of Berlin"
                        medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw"
                        medal "For the victory over Germany"
                        Honored Artist of the RSFSR (1984)
                        People's Artist of the Russian Federation (2002) [5]
                        The role of the non-commissioned officer of the auxiliary cruiser Elizabeth in the excellent film Warrant Officer Panin.

                        Real Man and Artist.
                      2. +3
                        14 September 2020 17: 42
                        The Order of the Patriotic War in June 1945 was a rarity for a non-officer.
                        Such awards were not given in vain
                      3. -1
                        14 September 2020 17: 53
                        Quote: Rich
                        The Order of the Patriotic War in June 1945 was a rarity for a non-officer.
                        Such awards were not given in vain

                        Very rare.
                        Number of awards
                        over 9,1 million

                        during the war
                        I degree - 324 903 people.
                        II degree - 951 652 people.
                    2. +2
                      14 September 2020 17: 25
                      In the top photo, the guys are very young, and the photo is already post-war, the second from the right is a SKS-45 fighter.
                      1. +3
                        14 September 2020 17: 34
                        It is very possible that the post-war - the OUN and Hitler's accomplices in the post-war forests were not measured.
                        And noticed, Konstantin, on the German PP-43 in the penultimate photo
                      2. +2
                        14 September 2020 18: 04
                        Of course I did, this machine cannot be confused with anything else. I remember when I was a child I watched the film "On Distant Shores" and was indignant that the Fritzes were walking there with Kalashnikovs, then, of course, over time, everything became clear. ))
                      3. 0
                        15 September 2020 16: 09
                        Mosin carbine 44 g. wink (about the top photo)
                      4. +1
                        15 September 2020 16: 30
                        You are absolutely right. hi This is how it happens - you hurry - you make people laugh, it's me about myself. smile
                      5. 0
                        1 October 2020 12: 46
                        No, he has a 1944 carbine with a permanent bayonet.
                  2. 0
                    14 September 2020 20: 46
                    Constantine, not at all. What do you think, if the operas or the investigator will interrogate the checked, suspected, witnesses like Alekhine Mironova? What will be the opinion of them and what ... nicknames will they receive? What kind of work after that, when in such an environment it spreads instantly?
                    Have you read Pikul's "The Honor"? When did the main character reject the radio campaign for Germany during the Second World War? The reason is that a speaker with a Jewish accent cannot campaign for Germans. Here is the same song.
                    1. -1
                      1 October 2020 12: 48
                      Completely by. This is how they really question.
                      1. 0
                        1 October 2020 12: 50
                        Oh well. You probably have experience in surveys, what do you say so categorically? Well, try to interview the authorities in this tone. Past - it's you.
                      2. 0
                        1 October 2020 17: 27
                        Yes, there is experience. It depends on who is interrogating - the prosecutor's office investigator, the police investigator or the state security officer. These guys know how to drive and drive off and get into the soul. They take it unceremoniously from other organizations.
        2. +2
          14 September 2020 12: 24
          The film "Moment of Truth" is not bad, but it does not reach the book. And very much. I think that for quite objective reasons: how can you convey the "operational documents" of which 20 percent of the book consists of (this is in volume, and even more in importance)? Off-screen voice? Not that .... And also the reasoning of the heroes of the book ... how can you transfer them to the screen? The atmosphere is lost ...
          1. +2
            14 September 2020 14: 32
            In "Seventeen Moments" somehow they could. smile
          2. 0
            1 October 2020 12: 48
            The film was made quite well, it is extremely difficult to make better.
      2. +5
        13 September 2020 18: 19
        I didn’t like the movie, there’s no tempo and tension. In the book, every word is in place, as well as the text of the cipher programs that create the background.
        There is no such tension in the film, at all.
        If the book read like a revelation, then the film is run-of-the-mill.
        There were many small touches in the book that added color.
        In the film, this is not simple.
        1. +2
          13 September 2020 20: 00
          That's right, and there is nothing to add.
          1. +3
            14 September 2020 15: 23
            Konstantin hi
            The writer S. Trakhimenok in the article "Following Tamantsev's Tracks" in the magazine "Siberian Lights" No. 5, 2005 quotes the words of V. Bogomolov himself: ".... the prototype of Mishchenko was a well-known saboteur named Grishchenko."
            Nikolai Grishchenko's group (9 people) was thrown out on March 8, 1944 near the town of Klintsy, Bryansk region. Its main task was to find and organize the collaborators hiding in the forests after the coming of Soviet power. The group was exposed by local residents, who reported suspicious individuals "where to go." After five days of pursuit, the group was driven into a swamp. In the last battle, seven "scabs" 1 were killed. The commander and the radio operator could not blow themselves up with the last grenade, having received only concussion from its explosion.
            During the interrogation, it turned out that Grishchenko himself, a former serviceman of the Red Army, was captured in September 1941. In the camp he was recruited by Abwehr and sent to the Borisov intelligence school. After graduation, he twice successfully carried out sabotage missions of the German command in the rear of the Red Army, for which he was awarded four medals "For Bravery" for the Eastern peoples and the rank of sergeant major.
            As part of the radio game, the German leaders Grishchenko were convinced of the successful work of the group to unite deserters and former police officers. Further, from the German side, as if with a vacuum cleaner, they began to draw out valuable anti-Soviet personnel. In one April 1944, cargo and reconnaissance aircraft were dropped from the air three times. For the third time, courier agents Dorofeev and Karpov, also graduates of the Borisov school, descended from the sky. With them flew 30 thousand Soviet rubles, letterheads and seals for fabricating documents. However, the radio game was soon disrupted by Grishchenko's escape. Not giving rise to suspicion before, he simply fled from the operative guarding him. On the same day, a radiogram came “from the other side” with the aim of checking the radio operator and Grishchenko himself, but while they were finding out where he was, time was lost.
            Subsequently, during interrogation, Grishchenko motivated his escape with the desire to "breathe in the spring air." Instead of making his way to the front line to cross the front, the "romantic" went deep into the rear, got a mistress and roamed with her for a long time in Russia, engaged in food speculation. At the checks he yelled at the patrols that they were all selfish, they stuck to the rear, and he was a war hero, he did not spare his life on the front line. And so it went on, until one principled policeman, who tied up a noisy guest performer without documents.
            1. +3
              14 September 2020 15: 28
              Most likely it is so. Bogomolov worked a lot with archives, I read that his house had a file cabinet all over the wall, from floor to stream, almost every day of the war.
        2. 0
          1 October 2020 17: 32
          There are no cipher programs, there are cipher telegrams. In them, Bogomolov fantasized pretty well. If you start playing everything, then there won't be less than two episodes. And this option shows everything you need.
  6. BAI
    +3
    13 September 2020 17: 21
    The bulk of the partisan detachments were issued by local residents, and not by special agents. Here's to the underground - yes, agents were introduced.
  7. +3
    13 September 2020 17: 49
    Hitler said with inspiration - We must strip off a thin layer of Soviet varnish from the eastern prisoners of war and, turning them into animals, throw them in thousands on parachutes so that they, like typhoid lice, cover the earth, turn it into hell.

    Kozhevnikov V.M. "SHIELD AND SWORD"
  8. -4
    13 September 2020 23: 16
    I read that the partisan detachment could only provide 5% of weapons and ammunition, therefore, the supply had to be from the mainland. Of course, the NKVD and Stalin would not have been the NKVD and Stalin if they had not harmed their own country - they had destroyed the partisan bases organized before the war and their assigned personnel. In general, the most hard thing is the memories of former partisans on iremember
    1. 0
      15 September 2020 23: 20
      Personnel and supplies for future partisans were destroyed in 1937-38 during the Yezhov purges, with which not everything is clear and clean. It is worth looking at who the majority of the leaders of the NKVD consisted then and where they were then sent for their "art". In the BSSR, it seems, they did not carry out the withdrawal of reserves and personnel in the Pinsk region, and therefore it was not difficult for Korzh to create a detachment, arm it and give battle in the first days of the war.
      1. 0
        16 September 2020 17: 48
        Everyone had difficulties in creating detachments, including Korzh.
        In the period 36-38, prepared warehouses were destroyed in all republics, the same happened with the graduates of special schools - most of the trained saboteurs disappeared in the meat grinder of repression, and even N.G. Starinov miraculously survived
    2. 0
      1 October 2020 12: 55
      In 1934, there was a change in military doctrine. If the previous one, developed under Frunze, provided for a retreat during an attack on us, the deployment of partisan and sabotage activities in the occupied territory, the training of future partisan cadres, the procurement of warehouses with weapons and food, then after 1934 Tukhachevsky's admirers pushed the offensive doctrine. This was the reason for the rejection of the partisan struggle. Warehouses were liquidated, and many personnel were repressed. Military doctrine is developed by the military and offered to the government.
  9. +1
    13 September 2020 23: 50
    Initially, the Nazis, seeing in the partisan formations only units and subunits of the Red Army that had "fought back" from the main forces (as it often was), tried to act against them, using large military formations with the support of motorized groups and aviation. However, this tactic proved ineffective.


    Most likely, mountain rifle units whose training better corresponds to forest warfare could achieve much greater military successes, because part of their tasks is a war in mountain forests.
    And specialists teaching forest and mountain-forest war to the Germans then could be found in South America and India and even Afghanistan, Tibet, maintaining contact with Germany, where then there was complete order with impenetrable jungles, including mountain ones and with mountains, and, most importantly , with local specialists who do not allow themselves to lose their qualifications:
    1922-1923 - Civil War in Paraguay
    1932-1933 - Colombian-Peruvian War
    1932-1935 - Chak war
    1941-1942 - Peruvian-Ecuadorian War
    Indo-Pakistani conflicts in India's internal strife
    Had the Germans dealt with in time, for example, pre-war processing of the historical and contemporary military experience of the Japanese, Tibetan mountaineers or South American tribal forest Indians or the experience of Indian mountain units - the partisans would have had a very hard time.
    It is known that the Japanese, who were in excellent relations with the Germans, fought well in the jungle in WWII, and this is by no means accidental - formally, they did not have special mountain and forest units. In practice, there is a huge historical experience of such a war. Japan is covered with highlands and low and medium-high mountains, they make up over 75% of the country's territory, the humid maritime climate gives them many mountain forests. And all their wars outside their own country actually took place in light mountain-forest units with the support of the fleet, throughout history in the jungle and mountains - in Korea, China, on the islands. Had this experience been processed by the Germans, the partisan movement in the territories of the USSR, as such, would not have taken place.
  10. +2
    14 September 2020 16: 09
    In the memoirs of M.I. Naumov the idea is slipping that part of the Ukrainian partisan detachments created on the initiative of "Comrade N" seemed to accidentally prevent him from conducting a raid. Suddenly, the locals blew up the railroad track when its junction crossed the track. This noise caused alarm among the Germans, as a result of which, the connection was torn in half and could no longer connect. When the locals were asked; "Who gave the command?" they proudly declared that they had followed the direction of "Comrade N" from the Center. I can assume that the Gestapo controlled not only the underground, but itself created detachments of local patriots in order to use them for their own purposes and to destroy them in the future. Naumov also complains about a strange situation, when in his detachment there were representatives of the headquarters who did not obey him, intrigued in every way and even had their own radio. When the detachment fell apart into several parts, they left with the Kievites, and then suddenly appeared near Vinnitsa. Perhaps he is hinting at the enemy agents who have penetrated the center, but he does it somehow timidly, and perhaps he is trying to hide his own mistakes. In general, the topic of the possible penetration of German agents to the very top of the partisan movement has not yet been encountered in the literature. I’m probably fantasizing too much and everything was simpler - ordinary career intrigues.

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