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The idea of ​​redistribution. Basic unconditional income for every Russian

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The idea of ​​redistribution. Basic unconditional income for every Russian
Source: bloknot.ru


Fair state


The initiative of Dmitry Medvedev, head of the United Russia party, is far from new. Its roots are actually in the 1797th century. One of the first to undertake such an experiment was in Britain, in the county of Brexhire, when the Spinhenlemda Act was passed. The law added to the income of the poor an allowance tied to the price of bread. In this way they tried to fight hunger and poverty. Nothing came of this initiative: labor productivity fell, unemployment rose, and the population was increasingly marginalized. One of the adherents of social justice, Thomas Payne, in 21 published the work "Agrarian Justice", in which he offered to pay every resident of England who has reached the age of 15, 50 pounds at a time. Of course, this is not a regular unconditional income, but for its time the idea was very progressive. It is noteworthy that upon reaching the age of 10, it was already relied on XNUMX pounds annually. A very small burden for the state, I must say, given the average life expectancy.

"The land is a public property, from which only a small group of people receive income from cultivation, while the majority live in poverty."

This was Payne's main argument.

In the first half of the XNUMXth century, a similar idea was developed by the British engineer Clifford Douglas. He believed that every citizen of the country owns a share of the national wealth and introduced the concept of "social credit". Douglas' concept interested many political movements in different countries and even governments. He traveled extensively with lectures in which he talked about its effectiveness and fairness. However, she never received wide support, and in most countries, social support projects were implemented in the form in which they are known to us now: in order to receive social benefits, a person must meet certain requirements, for example, seniority, income level, age and other.


Source: pikabu.ru

Experiments on the implementation of this institution continue in our time: in the Dutch Utrecht, since the beginning of 2016, an experiment has been underway to pay an unconditional basic income. There is information that other cities in the Netherlands are ready to join this project. The issue is also being considered in Finland, California and Kenya. In the United States, non-governmental bodies have joined the problem of unconditional income: in particular, the organization Y Combinator. Country leaders fear the direct and widespread introduction of unconditional payments. This is an uncharted practice that can lead to irreversible effects. Therefore, only accurate and systematic experiments. For example, the one run by the government social protection agency Kela in Finland. Two thousand citizens between the ages of 25 and 58 were randomly selected who, even before the experiment, received government subsidies and unemployment benefits of 800 euros. Interestingly, the payment was even reduced to 560 euros, but now complicated bureaucratic mechanisms were not required to receive it. With an average salary in the country of about 3400 euros, the money of unconditional income is, of course, small (for example, a travel card costs 50 euros). Such payment forced citizens to look for a job. They did not dare in Finland on the full-scale implementation of the basic unconditional income.

At the same time, some states that have decided on such social innovations cannot be included in the list of the well-to-do. So, in 2011, the Indian Self-Employed Women's Association, with the financial support of UNICEF, began an experiment that lasted a year and a half. Residents of ten out of twenty villages were regularly paid money: first, about four and a half dollars for each adult and two dollars for a child, later adults were paid six dollars, and children three. In accordance with the rules of experimental work, a control group of ten villages was selected, the residents of which did not receive "helicopter" money. Roughly the same scheme is used to study the effectiveness of drugs in humans. The social situation in villages where money was paid "just like that" improved: people began to eat more satisfyingly, live in safe conditions and spend more time on educating themselves and their loved ones. As a result, Indians in a truncated version adopted the concept of guaranteed income, replacing it with part of social benefits. That is, the Indian experience has shown that unconditional basic payments are quite effective in societies with an impoverished population. The conclusions are valid only if the researchers strictly adhered to all the conditions of the experiment, otherwise the revealed relationship between payments and living standards may either be absent or even be negative. The next example of social experimentation was Namibia. About nine euros a month was paid to each inhabitant of the village of Ociero, numbering about a thousand people. The project was sponsored by AIDS organizations, trade unions and churches. In the end, everything went very well: the locals started small businesses, they began to abuse alcohol less and, as expected, had better food. The crime rate fell immediately by 42%, and the proportion of the poor fell by half. People stopped constantly thinking about finding funds to feed themselves and their loved ones, which made it possible to devote more time to creative initiatives and business projects. The natural environment suddenly felt better as well: men stopped poaching. Years of experimental work have borne fruit, and some countries have decided to implement limited semblance of basic unconditional income for their citizens. In addition to the mentioned India, money “just like that” is paid in Italy and Brazil. In Italy, these payments are more similar to social benefits, as they are entitled only to people below the absolute poverty line. And in Brazil, only the poor, whose children go to school, have money.

As shows история experiments, basic unconditional income brings the greatest effect in marginal societies, balancing on the brink of hunger and poverty. Will such a model be successful in Russian conditions?

Money for everyone


I must say that in the post-Soviet countries (not only in Russia), ideas have been expressed about the introduction of unconditional income. In 2016, Kazakhstan seriously considered the issue of the appearance of guaranteed payments for citizens. As you know, so far nothing of the kind has appeared in the neighboring state. Will it appear in Russia? And in general, what will such an attraction of unheard-of generosity lead to?

First of all, social inequality will soften. Now, to one degree or another, 1% of the population controls 74,5% of the national wealth. In terms of income, the situation is similar: 10% of the wealthiest population accounts for more than 30% of the total income, and 10% of the poorest population - about 2%. To a certain extent, unconditional income will evenly distribute monetary resources among all citizens of the country. Where to get funding? First of all, from taxes for the wealthiest, as well as rents on minerals. English expert economist Nick Srnichek writes on this subject:

“Basic unconditional income is, in simple terms, a redistribution mechanism. Any plausible scenario that introduces unconditional income would involve increasing taxes for the rich to redistribute to the poorest. Today, most of the poor are stuck in a trap of poverty (when a person, after getting a job, receives no more income than unemployment benefits), from which they cannot get out. If basic unconditional income is funded by taxes on wealth and capital, we can begin to bridge the deepest inequality to date. ”



Source: avatars.mds.yandex.net

Interestingly, by introducing unconditional income, the state can save a little. It is planned to reduce the apparatus of social services responsible for paying money to the needy strata of the population. Basic income can also cancel out pensions with such a cumbersome and inefficient pension fund to some extent. Regular payments by citizens will become a tangible stimulus for the purchasing power of the population. Suffice it to recall what a surge in sales of smartphones in the price category up to 10 thousand rubles was caused by summer payments to families with children. By the way, recent sociological studies have shown that Russians expect at least 25 thousand rubles as a guaranteed unconditional income per person per month. Obviously, there will be no less money, and it is not very convenient to take more from the state.

The basic income for all citizens has not yet been 100% realized in any country in the world, which allows only theorizing about its shortcomings. The growing dependency of the population can become a clear disadvantage. Why strive for something if money is at a minimum and so will be guaranteed? With an increase in the general standard of living of citizens due to additional income, the level of education is expected to fall. It will be very difficult to convince a teenager to finish school, even if the state is already paying him the minimum decent money. Recall that basic unconditional income is due to all citizens, regardless of gender, age, religion, occupation and political views. And, finally, the main disadvantage of such an innovation, according to many analysts and philosophers, will be the preservation of social inequality. The poor strata of the population will simply rise one or two steps in the social hierarchy. Nobody also canceled the prospect of a sharp acceleration of inflation, which will simply devour all guaranteed incomes of the population.


Source: s-zametki.ru

Even if basic unconditional income does not appear in Russia in the near future, it will still have to be thought about in the future. It's all about the technological development of civilization. The development of robotics, automation and artificial intelligence will eventually lead to the unnecessary majority of jobs in the world in general and in Russia in particular. Already now in developed countries, many specialties exist only to curb unemployment. Russia is no exception here: social programs to stimulate employers to create new jobs are an example of this. At some point, states will not be able to contain the wave of automation and will be forced to introduce a basic unconditional income for all citizens.

In the meantime, a quite eloquent point in the disputes initiated by Medvedev was put by the presidential press secretary, answering a question about the prospects for the emergence of an unconditional income for Russians:

"So far, as far as I know, there are no substantive discussions."
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 02
    33
    Another populist initiative from Medvedev, which is not destined to come true. Apparently for a seed before the elections he sketched ..
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 September 2020 15: 09
      20
      When I read about Finland with its experiment a few years ago, I thought about it ... I figured out how many natural resources we have and HOW they are distributed. But you could eat delicacies on silver!
      But ... Nope. Rather, someone "chosen" can, and Vanka, yes Sanka, and on pasta will interrupt.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 13
        16
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        But you could eat delicacies on silver!

        They could .. as much as they could .. but socially oriented leaders. Equitable distribution of benefits, a guarantee of confidence in the future. And their prudent use is the key to the prosperity of the state and society.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 14 September 2020 15: 29
          -21 qualifying.
          seriously?) It's like in the Union. one special soldering and others what will get? ) or otherwise I will ask. I quit the army. scored credits. received a new education. in parallel, he guarded the restaurant at night. taxed. found a new job. then I also studied. and someone like Vasya Pupkin was drinking pivasik. ran around the girls to the joiner weaned. Do you want me to share something with this person in a fair way? you know how socialism would not attract people, he will do what I personally hate, idlers and lazy people who will know for sure that they will not die of hunger !!!!
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 35
            19
            Quote: carstorm 11
            seriously?) It's like in the Union. one special soldering and others what will get?

            No need to talk nonsense for the Union .. It's now 2% That's it, and the rest are scraps from the table ..
            you know how socialism would not attract people, he will do what I personally hate, idlers and lazy people who will know for sure that they will not die of hunger !!!!

            Do you want to say that in the USSR completely bogus and lazy people lived? Then why did the USSR won the Second World War, the first flew into space and, in general, were the first in everything?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 14 September 2020 15: 39
              -26 qualifying.
              okay?))) and under the Union did you get all the benefits? maybe you could sell the apartment and move to Moscow legally?) or maybe go to the Seychelles and relax there if possible?) What did you have besides your pathos? aa sure) you could go to the store near the house and buy fresh beef there and cook pilaf from good rice?) simple things ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 46
                22
                Quote: carstorm 11
                okay?))) and under the Union did you get all the benefits? maybe you could sell the apartment and move to Moscow legally?)

                Now a young man takes a mortgage, overpaying the cost of an apartment twice and dooming himself to lifelong debt slavery, while if he paid regularly for 18 years, and then there was a problem with work, then he will lose the apartment and it will never be. In the USSR, anyone who wanted and needed an apartment could get an apartment for 2-5 years, depending on where they lived. My parents began to build Kamaz and immediately received a small family, as soon as I was born, after half a year we had a two-room apartment. And in Moscow you will get tired of buying an apartment even now ..
                and maybe go to the Seychelles and rest there if possible?) What did you have besides your pathos?

                Why do I need Seychelles? Now everyone travels to Turkey, because it is more expensive to rest on their own territory .. And before, everyone in Sochi and the Crimea rested ..
                And those who had a strong desire to hit the road over the hill, they went to Cuba, France, the GDR .. etc.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 14 September 2020 15: 52
                  -23 qualifying.
                  lies. and you know that. I am a young man and paid off my mortgage. yes expensive. Better to wait ten years for an apartment in a dormitory in a dormitory? I’m in the dorm a lot while I’m waiting to be able to keep my family?) and stop. cool. my dad was a major and was in line and never got an apartment from the fairest state. what suddenly?
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 14 September 2020 15: 53
                  -25 qualifying.
                  and then. I'm not asking, I'm just going. wherever I want ... I don't ask for humiliating permissions, but just go ...
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 14 September 2020 16: 07
                    25
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    and then. I'm not asking, I'm just going. wherever I want ... I don't ask for humiliating permissions, but just go ...

                    You think with your own fifth point .. and while it is obvious that you are doing well .. But, everything changes and tomorrow it may become so that you will not think about the Seychelles, but about how not to die of hunger .. This is the first, second if everything is fine with you, then the overwhelming majority of the country's citizens are sad and you also need to think about these people, otherwise your all is well just as suddenly it may end .. You probably know the history of Russia. The Bulkokhrusty then complained that everything was meaningless and merciless .. But no one wanted to think about why this happened .. and now they don’t want to think about it .. they are making the same mistake ..
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 14 September 2020 16: 12
                      -20 qualifying.
                      you will never understand ... I am not afraid of that. How many seminars have you attended this year? have improved your skills?
                    2. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 14 September 2020 17: 04
                      -20 qualifying.
                      of course his own. and whose else? who should I think about? about who eats beer at home? or can not tear off its back point? I had nothing. at all. and where were your offended when I taxied at night? pivasik sucked? this is not my fifth point. that's life. I took out a loan and went. you suffered.
                      1. RUnnm
                        RUnnm 14 September 2020 18: 54
                        24
                        Right! You need to think only about yourself! Nafig pensioners, nafig sick, nafig less successful in life, nafig large families, nafig people from single-industry towns with closed enterprises - all nafig! Just up the heads of everyone and everything! There are no "we", "country", "people", there is only "I" !!!!
                        Eh, how many I have re-read such successful and floating around, who, due to the crisis, raiding and disease, quickly lost their ambition and even faster remembered that society and the state owes them!
                      2. dauria
                        dauria 15 September 2020 00: 15
                        -4
                        Nafig pensioners, nafig sick, nafig less successful in life, nafig many children,


                        Well you always think more or less carefully .. And here you have such a mess in your thoughts. Themselves have just divided people into sick and idlers. And indignant at what? The fact that carstorm 11 (Dmitry) does not want to feed the idlers. laughing Not retired, not sick
                        , mind you, but lazy.
                        I, too, do not want to feed even an elderly gypsy who has not worked a day. And at 60 give him a pension - the same citizen. For such - a free canteen, bed and an ambulance. And that's enough. No money. It seems even merciful compared to some countries.
                        Although it is completely unfair to the workers - they will feed the drone.
                      3. RUnnm
                        RUnnm 15 September 2020 06: 54
                        18
                        Uh, no !!! When there is a reproach that a person has learned only to be a carpenter, this is no longer a conversation about laziness! When our respected interlocutor notices the absence of 20 varieties of sausage, but does not notice that half of our academicians came from villages, and the heads of the largest companies came from places where trains do not run, not noticing that then these people could receive free education and do a well-deserved career, does not compare with the fact that now education and a career for ordinary people are simply not available - this is no longer about human abilities. When I see how they boast about the number of courses taken in a year, I just want to see how a village guy who has worked from morning till night in the village on a combine in the evening sits down and listens to a lecture on the difference between Manet and Monet. Yes, there will be such. But only a few. And I would be careful not to call others who are physically lacking in strength for such lectures as lazy. At the same time, I noticed one detail. The author mentors in relation to carpenters, but from what he wrote about himself, he himself has never worked in blue-collar professions that create added value - a taxi, a security guard ...
                        Let me give you one example (not my authorship) - can you name the names of prominent scientists from among ordinary serfs before 1917? (I must say right away, Lomonosov is not one of them) ... - count on the fingers of one hand! And the same question about the times of the seicheless USSR? - Yes, almost all the luminaries of Soviet science! Wouldn't it be logical to assume then that the question is not in the laziness of the Russian peasant, but in the opportunities that the country and society give him? First of all - in terms of education, its accessibility, etc.
                        And I also do not want my taxes to go to lazy people, but then I understand that we are all society, and not animals and idlers will be in any society, but this is not a reason to force them to live in a bestial state. Because, as a society, it is not only rich and happy.
                      4. dauria
                        dauria 15 September 2020 10: 28
                        -3
                        idlers will be in any society, but this is not a reason for making them live in a bestial condition


                        Eh, no ... Let's immediately separate the sick from the "healthy, fit". The first - treatment and benefits, but to artificially reproduce the second - thank you. So you will destroy any "society". You will reach the point of absurdity that, they say, there are bestial conditions in prisons. Philanthropy? And who interferes - help yourself, agitate others. But not through the state, but voluntarily - at least it will be honest philanthropy. It’s impossible to find any job (at least for a minimum) for a healthy person - forgive me, I don’t believe it. Yes, there will be units. But you will feed them - they will be crowds. And stop idealizing the "poor and unfortunate" people. They will strip and go to look for another good man.
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 14 September 2020 18: 19
                21
                Basic unconditional income for every Russian

                In the USSR, anyone who wanted and needed an apartment could get an apartment for 2-5 years ...

                The "finishers of Russia" can guarantee to citizens who are not involved in "rowing" only a burial allowance in addition to "affordable housing" 2x2 meters with a "check-in" according to an accelerated scheme.
            2. pv1005
              pv1005 14 September 2020 22: 36
              13
              Quote: carstorm 11
              and then. I'm not asking, I'm just going. wherever I want ... I don't ask for humiliating permissions, but just go ...

              Can you go to the USA without permission? Well, you are a storyteller. laughing
          2. ism_ek
            ism_ek 14 September 2020 17: 02
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            My parents began to build Kamaz and immediately got a small family, as soon as I was born, after half a year we had a two-room apartment

            But any gross disciplinary offense, for example, truancy, sent you to the end of the line for housing. This right was not unconditional. We have a birth rate boom in the outback. Many marginalized people stupidly live on child benefits. As a result, the money goes not to children, but to vodka.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 14 September 2020 17: 11
              13
              Quote: ism_ek
              But any gross disciplinary offense, such as truancy

              Firstly, not so .. my father often drank with my friend and skipped it .. but they got the three-room apartment safely .. Secondly, this is not a bad measure, it should be put in order and I agree with her. Let it be so, skipped, at the end of the queue, fair ... but not like now, you can't pay on the loan, they will take the apartment .. Do you feel the difference?
              We have a birth rate boom in the outback. Many marginalized people stupidly live on child benefits. As a result, the money is not spent on children, but on vodka.

              I visit the outback and all my relatives are from there .. But what you write is isolated cases .. Every year, starting from 2014, they give birth to less and less ..
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 12: 23
                -3
                the marginals are doing great with fertility
          3. cost
            cost 15 September 2020 04: 59
            +3
            And before, everyone in Sochi and Crimea rested ..
            And those who had a strong desire to hit the road over the hill, they went to Cuba, France, the GDR .. etc.

            Well, about France, you Vladimir, slightly bent, - even Finland and India could only go after visiting a socialist country, it was not easy for a tourist to get to the GDR, but most of the money simply did not have money for tickets to Cuba. mortal "luminaries" only Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and Poland
        2. ultra
          ultra 16 September 2020 10: 45
          +3
          Do you think that now everyone has the opportunity to go to the Seychelles?
          Quote: carstorm 11
          or maybe go to the Seychelles and rest there
      2. Civil
        Civil 15 September 2020 07: 08
        +3
        Three times more will be taken away than given out once. They will come up with a tax for this business, well, not to pay out of their own pocket.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 September 2020 10: 07
          +6
          That's right, fellow Civilian. For example, in April - June, according to economists' estimates, the population became poorer by 1,1 trillion rubles. And fanfare trumpets that he, the population, received "unprecedented" assistance in the amount of 74 billion, which is 0,1% of the budget.
          We, in the "Five", had 2 price tags. One - on the card of this trading network, somehow acceptable, the second - without a card, the price is doubled. The trade turnover fell so that the double price tag was abandoned, and the turnover did not recover. Then, with the help of the card, they began to make a discount even at a reasonable price.
          And you know what I observed and what struck me? People from the queue, with full approval and even a hint from cashiers, pass cards to strangers to pay for goods at a discount. Like this. Consolidation of the population in poverty begins. The full carts with goods, which were already visible, disappeared completely again. And almost no one takes the carts: a cart, it costs 10 rubles. I threw a coin into the slot, the lock opened, take off the chain and use it. Do not take! On occasion - a plastic basket. It's free for now.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 12: 25
            -2
            it is the sly ones who pass their cards))) they accumulate points))) and the card itself is not destiny?
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 September 2020 13: 39
              +4
              And we no longer give these cards. They say they did not star and are not expected in the future. But people, although on someone else's card, get a discount. This is how these cards work now. For a discount. And it is quite possible that the Five will refuse them.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 13: 58
                0
                maybe this was not delivered, we all have these cards, even houses are lying around that are not activated somewhere 6
                1. depressant
                  depressant 15 September 2020 23: 50
                  +1
                  Yes, I also have one lying around. I don't take much from the Five, it's expensive from them. Our small shops are cheaper. Well, just in case, I'll activate it. Let's hope for the best, Nastenka))) Good night!
                2. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 16 September 2020 07: 27
                  0
                  and all the best to you !!!
    2. your1970
      your1970 23 September 2020 23: 38
      0
      Quote: Svarog

      Do you want to say that in the USSR there were completely idlers and lazy people?

      In addition to them, there were 60 rubles - janitors, postmen, cleaners, nannies, librarians and the like ...
      60 rubles of the USSR is at any recalculations with any equivalents no more than 10 current
      1. ved_med12
        ved_med12 25 September 2020 17: 08
        0
        Postmen in the urban-type settlement (urban-type settlement) in 86-88 had a salary of 80 rubles! Labor, by today's standards, is hellish! A lot of periodicals, in any weather on foot with a heavy bag in the private sector! At the post office, there was often not enough newspapers and magazines by subscription (I do not know why) but everyone demanded, the postmen dodged as best they could, and all the curses were on them! And on holidays, too, tin, hundreds of letters, postcards, and urgent telegrams ...
        And the janitors and plumbers (I will not lie, I don’t remember the salary) received apartments FIRST! True, almost always, the first floor, but still housing!
  2. Souchastnik
    Souchastnik 14 September 2020 15: 51
    17
    ... he will do what I personally hate - idlers and lazy ...

    If my memory serves me, there was an article in the USSR for parasitism. Whether as a janitor or as a stoker, he must work.
    And "Vasya" dad will buy a diploma for money and appoint the general director of the company. And how you don’t puff, no matter how much you load - guard at night, you cannot become a general director without a dad.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 14 September 2020 15: 55
      -26 qualifying.
      nonsense. no one needs people with purchased diplomas. you got lost in the nineties.
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 14 September 2020 16: 06
        16
        ...nonsense. no one needs people with purchased diplomas. you got lost in the nineties.

        You, my friend, are an idealist with a capital letter. Take a look at the website of the Ministry of Industry and Trade. There, the glorious paths of managers of the rank of department director are highlighted. Academy (Institute) - Deputy. general director - general director (head of a department of a department) - director of a department - ... with minor changes. More examples? I have them. ZMO Krivoruchko, studied - supervised - ZMO. While he was lifting the Kalashnikov Concern from his knees, he was covered in shares from head to toe. Rogosi Jr. is a great manager, well with Ilyushin. But it didn't get any easier. And how many smaller-scale examples where the cub is listed, while others work. Now there are many grown-up heirs, new structures are being created. It is necessary somewhere to show leadership talent.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 14 September 2020 16: 10
          -19 qualifying.
          and this is possible. only you allow it. it doesn't work in my company. no effect, you will fly away with acceleration.
          1. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 14 September 2020 16: 30
            16
            you allow it. it doesn't work in my company.

            Sorry, but I don't have my own company. Dad served in the army, then he worked as an engineer at RSK MiG. I continue his work: I served, I work. Somehow I didn't earn money for the company. And the CEO is not appointed recourse
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 14 September 2020 16: 54
              -11 qualifying.
              and I do not. both dad and I served in the army ...
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      3. Revival
        Revival 14 September 2020 16: 28
        12
        And what is it in our banks, Alrosa, Vaso, all the sons with famous surnames, and not the one who guarded the gas stations and retrained all this?
  3. Galleon
    Galleon 14 September 2020 18: 16
    +9
    And what does your security for the restaurant and Vasya Pupkin's beer have to do with it, if we are talking about what he and you have the same right and the same share in this right ?? Work and work! Or is your eye envious of the fact that someone else who is "worse" than you gets his share?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 14 September 2020 18: 31
      15
      hi Do you believe in his nonsense? One should not expect from a "successful" swindler real details about where he "ate" and what "prayers" he is eating today.
  4. Roman13579
    Roman13579 15 September 2020 09: 52
    +5
    It was in the Union of idlers and lazy people that there were fewer things than now ..
    Yes, and the then idlers and lazy people, if they had a minimum, in the form of an empty free apartment, they still had to go to work, even for food and a bottle of beer .. A hard-working person could have furniture, a TV set, a refrigerator .. and a car, and cottage .. and a set table .. There was always something to strive for !!
    Now the same quitter can hang out in clubs, and at the age of 18 he drive girls in a Mercedes .. When just a hard worker at the machine works for a penny ..
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 14 September 2020 18: 26
    +1
    There is a saying: You can give a hungry fish, or you can give a net, let him catch himself.
    I am absolutely not against helping those in need, even with 2 hands FOR.
    The problem is who will spend these funds how.
    One will save something and open his own business, will provide for his family himself.
    The other will drink not only his share, but also the share of children.
    Much depends on the culture and consciousness of people.
    The question is difficult, there will always be dissatisfied.
    In my opinion, people with a large income should not be given these payments. Society should define the border.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 14 September 2020 18: 45
      +3
      There is a precedent. Electronic money with different levels of legality. For example, money returned as cashback cannot be spent on the purchase of goods that come with a big discount. Banks have a lot of used instruments of non-cash turnover. These tools can be used to control the list of purchases for money credited to children. It's just that the child has his own card, his own account. And it’s impossible to pay for the purchase of vodka or pivasik with chips and kirieshkas. A tutorial please. Lemonade please. Baby jacket please. The payment just won't go through.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 12: 29
        -1
        there have already been so many schemes for cashing out maternity capital
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 15 September 2020 12: 34
          +3
          And in all the schemes, government officials are involved who are obliged to control. Corruption in its purest form. From 30 to 50 percent of the capital in the hands of civil servants. Until we start hanging on Red Square with a large crowd of people, everything will be so.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 12: 43
            -1
            moreover, grassroots workers cannot outweigh everyone, corruption cannot be defeated
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 15 September 2020 13: 07
              0
              Win. I'm afraid only the population will end quickly.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 13: 56
                0
                is this a way out? no population and no corruption? steal from the very top to the cleaning lady
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 15 September 2020 14: 14
                  +1
                  The only way out is to improve the culture of each individual person. This requires at least 2 generations.
                2. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 15 September 2020 15: 23
                  -1
                  possible but humanity has not solved this anywhere else
                3. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 15 September 2020 16: 01
                  +1
                  Small countries of Europe. The same Switzerland. There are such countries in the world. They all have one thing. It is almost impossible to emigrate to these countries.
                4. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 16 September 2020 07: 27
                  -1
                  that's why they are small. there it is possible
                5. your1970
                  your1970 6 November 2020 09: 41
                  0
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Small countries of Europe. The same Switzerland. There are such countries in the world. They all have one thing. It is almost impossible to emigrate to these countries.

                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  that's why they are small. there it is possible
                  - on the territory of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, you can place ...56 (FIFTY SIX !!!!!!!!!!!) Switzerland ...
                  And this is just one region of the Russian Federation ...
  • Simargl
    Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 03
    +2
    Quote: Blacksmith 55
    In my opinion, people with a large income should not be given these payments
    What does big income mean? Read what I have written below. Let's say the guaranteed income is the average rent + living wage, which is about 20 rubles. With a salary of 000 rubles and a tax of 20000%, the income will be 13 rubles, i.e. will increase, and for a salary of a million, the tax, nevertheless, will be noticeable, despite the compensation. For that, it's easier to count.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 September 2020 15: 39
    +7
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    When I read about Finland with its experiment a few years ago, I thought about it ... I figured out how many natural resources we have and HOW they are distributed. But you could eat delicacies on silver!
    But ... Nope. Rather, someone "chosen" can, and Vanka, yes Sanka, and on pasta will interrupt.

    Yes ... they could ... even homeless people could ... eat from silver dishes ... but ... as you rightly said ... Only members of "COOPERATIVE" LAKE "" can eat from silver ... the rest ... unworthy (I express myself as politically as possible "
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 September 2020 16: 37
    -6
    "Dreams Dreams,
    Where is your sweetness? "(C)
    laughing Vanka and Sanka, that they will work and burst. A freebie is an unreliable thing.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 14 September 2020 19: 58
    +5
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I figured out how much natural resources we have and HOW they are distributed.
    Disappointment: guaranteed income may not be tied to a resource in any way. This is, in fact, a progressive taxation scale.
    Let's say everyone pays 13% and gets 20 rubles a month. But the one who has a wage of 000 rubles - will give 20, will receive 000 rubles, on hand - 2600. Whoever has an income of 20000 rubles - will give 37400, will receive ... 1 rubles, an income of 000 rubles, i.e. one in plus, the other in minus ... recalculate for other %% and numbers yourself.
    By the way! I wrote that having children should be beneficial in order to give birth! So: if the guaranteed income applies to children ...
  • fif21
    fif21 16 September 2020 06: 14
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    But you could eat delicacies on silver!

    They could, but it was necessary to master space, help the "fraternal" Communist Parties! Now you need to feed 1% of the owners of Russia, but they still have the same appetite. hi
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 14 September 2020 15: 11
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    Another populist initiative from Medvedev, which is not destined to come true. Apparently for a seed before the elections he sketched ..

    You sit in the shade for six months forgotten by everyone, not such ideas will come to mind! yes
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 14 September 2020 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Another populist initiative from Medvedev,

    Apparently, the Guarantor has begun to prepare the receiver! Why search? This one verified! laughing hi
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 21
      +4
      Quote: kapitan92
      Quote: Svarog
      Another populist initiative from Medvedev,

      Apparently, the Guarantor has begun to prepare the receiver! Why search? This one verified! laughing hi

      I think, as one of the options ... well, let it be not popular among the people ... but you look Putin will build a mausoleum .. hi It is such continuity..Borya betrayed Volodya, Volodya erected a mausoleum in gratitude .. Now Volodya will pass it on ... to someone .. but he, too, must promise security and perpetuation of deeds ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 14 September 2020 18: 36
        11
        Mausoleum? Soon "unity" with Nature for them on the nearest aspen! am
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 05
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        you look Putin will build a mausoleum ..
        Why build? One V. will be taken out, the other will be brought in.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 14 September 2020 15: 32
    +9
    It’s scary to think how many students at Leningrad State University he managed to "teach".
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 14 September 2020 15: 33
    +7
    In the world, there are more and more not only experiments, but also results on the introduction of a basic income. Most of these results debunk the myths of ultra-liberal economists that the poor should not be given money “just like that” - they will drink it or spend it in other irrational ways, and also lose incentives to work. The Dutch economist Rutger Bregman, in his book Utopia for Realists: How to Build an Ideal World, gives examples of how basic income changes the lives of ordinary people for the better.
    “Studies in many countries are convincing proof that free money works. Scientists are already linking unconditional cash payments to declines in crime, child mortality and malnutrition, teenage pregnancy and absenteeism, and increases in school performance, economics and gender equality.

    In their book “Just Give the Poor Money,” scientists at the University of Manchester give countless examples of cases where cash withdrawals without any conditions or with minor caveats helped. In Namibia, malnutrition rates plummeted (from 42% to 10%), as did truancy rates (from 40% to zero) and crime (up 42%). Again, this is most beneficial for children. They suffer less from hunger and disease, become taller, do better in school, and have less chance of exploiting their labor.

    And as it turned out, there is a category of products that poor people do not spend their free money on: tobacco and alcohol. A large World Bank study found that in 82% of all analyzed cases in Africa, Latin America and Asia, alcohol and tobacco consumption declined.
    But there is even more surprising data. In Liberia, an experiment was conducted to find out what happens if you give out $ 200 to the most inveterate poor. Alcoholics, drug addicts and lively criminals were gathered in the slums. What did they spend their money on in three years? For food, clothing, medicine and small businesses. Yet the argument about the laziness of the poor is made over and over again. The very stability of this idea pushed scientists to check its truth. Just a few years ago, the prestigious medical journal Lancet summed up its observations: the poor, receiving money without any conditions, usually tend to work harder.

    Tens of millions of dollars were pledged to provide a basic income for more than 8500 Americans in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana, Seattle, and Denver in the very first large-scale social experiments with experimental and control groups. The researchers wanted to answer three questions: 1. Will people start to receive a guaranteed income, work much less? 2. Will the program be too expensive? 3. Will it not be feasible for political reasons? Answers: no, no, yes.
    Working hours fell very little. The decline in paid work averaged 9% per family, and in every state, people in their 20s and 30s and women with young children began to work less.
    These pilot projects gave us the opportunity to speak differently, think differently, describe the task differently. This is how progress begins. "
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 14 September 2020 15: 56
      15
      You could write your article on this topic ...
      Tens of millions of dollars have been set aside to provide more than 8500 Americans with basic income ...

      We won't have that. They would rather skip these millions in Courchevel than distribute them to needy compatriots. The entire TV broadcast was filled with videos with seriously ill children and crying mothers. They need wild sums of money for a rescue operation in Germany or Israel .. And we don't know where to put all the extra trillions .. And medicine is sinking deeper into a paid trap, and there are fewer doctors ..
      As long as an oligarchic regime is at the helm, there will never be justice in our long-suffering land.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 14 September 2020 15: 49
    +2
    In general - a strange concept. Isn't it easier to provide everyone with work, as in the USSR? Whoever does not want to work hard - let him sit on the minimum salary from dzinninni to blamms. What can they always find to do, in the largest country in the world with a scanty population - and not find something to attach a person to? Even the extremely lazy and worthless .. So at least outright parasites will not breed - at least something, but they have to do .. Well, whoever wants more - room for activity, work hard and get it.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 14 September 2020 16: 26
      -3
      No, it will not be possible to provide 100% of work at the present time with the level of development of automation and so on and the speed of this development, and work for the sake of work is meaningless
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 14 September 2020 16: 29
        +5
        Come on - we now have an evon, almost a fifth of all healthy men roam about .. And they say there is no one to work .. You can always find something to do with a person. Again - we are already too few for such a huge country - in theory, we should not have unemployment in principle ..
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 14 September 2020 17: 19
          +2
          Well, in this case, this is their choice, especially the lion's share of pensioners, you cannot forcefully force him to put asphalt either on a construction site or on a village .. here, too, a lot depends on the person
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 11
          +1
          Quote: paul3390
          Again - we are already too few for such a huge country - in theory, we should not have unemployment in principle ..
          Margot Thatcher thought differently.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 14 September 2020 16: 38
        +7
        Andrei. It will work out. Only those who have grabbed it do not need it. They spend money on pseudo-projects not their own, but ours. At the same time putting it in my pocket. Schemes are usual - order, tender, contractors, subcontractors ... I didn’t, I didn’t. And a new tender voila.
      3. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 14 September 2020 17: 37
        0
        So it is not necessary for everyone to stand at the machine. If you want to receive an allowance, work a certain number of hours, say, sweeping the streets or caring for the disabled. Otherwise it will be interesting, I have to plow for 25000, and someone will get them for free. It’s like with payments for children. , acquaintances received 60000 rubles in 2 months for three children and went on vacation to the south, although now they are out of work and the loan for the car is hanging.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 14 September 2020 18: 55
          +3
          The bottom line. Washi will have 25 tr per booze. You have 25 from the state plus 25 honestly earned. If you manage to curb inflation (it will definitely not work. The outbreak will be huge), then Vasya will get drunk faster and you will have free money for better rest, hobbies, or other well-deserved goodies. The main disadvantage is that inflation will gobble up the entire bonus.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 16
          +4
          Quote: svd-xnumx
          I have to plow for 25000, and someone will get them for free.
          No, not like that: if the income is already called guaranteed, then the unemployed, and the millionaire, and the simple hard worker will receive it. But for an unemployed person, this will be the only income, and for a hard worker - sometimes a good supplement, a millionaire will not feel it.
          Do you know what the effect will be? We'll have to raise wages, because people will find it easier to send an employer with a small salary on an erotic trip - at least that is guaranteed!
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 10
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      Isn't it easier to provide everyone with work, as in the USSR? Whoever does not want to work hard - let him sit on the minimum salary from dzinninni to blamms.
      How does it differ from the proposed one? If you do not work - only allowance, you work - allowance and salary.
      Who will provide jobs?
    3. depressant
      depressant 15 September 2020 11: 42
      +1
      Paul (paul3390) - there it is, the root of the problem. You took the bull by the horns! They will do everything, even share the crumbs from the master's table, just not to create an industry, not to industrialize. After all, the industry involves large work teams. And where they are, the specter of communism begins to wander, which is fraught with the seizure of large property in favor of the state, which means a working person.
      Therefore, capitalism invented digitalization - robots, automation instead of humans. Do not be afraid, they tell us, we will give you a basic income. The topic is being worked out, the population is being felt. And it understands that it is being bred. For example, as far as I remember, Switzerland even held a referendum on this issue. The population rejected the project with indignation. This is despite the fact that in this prosperous country, imagine, there are many people in need among the locals, and now, in the era of the coronavirus, Internet communities have been created, with the help of which people who are more affluent share food with those who are less wealthy. However, the idea was rejected.

      Yes, in Namibia, the idea is still passing, for now. But there is tribal poverty, and next to it there are isolated examples of capitalist success. But when tribal poverty, fertilized by basic income, begins to rise to the level of prosperity, which will inevitably require even greater prosperity, and as a result of this, the previously successful capitalists will begin to squeeze from below, the struggle for a place in the sun between the successful and the more successful will begin, and it is not known how this will end ...

      In our case, this is a hint: sit, don’t rock the boat, your rocker is destroying the country, don’t wait for industrialization, the division by social class is over, you won’t get through.
      And if earlier we were at least mooing cattle for the upper ones, now they want to morally reduce us the basic income to the level of a vegetable in the garden. And if at first a certain surge of contentment and approval is possible, then it will quickly come to naught due to the obstinacy of some to the ceiling of social opportunities and dissatisfaction of others with insufficient fertilization. Explosion possible.
      Do not understand? They understand. So why stuffing?

      1. If digitalization, then on the street there will be a huge number of former officials who cannot do anything except manipulate screen numbers and transfer papers. It is required to calm down in advance, to assure, to give an opportunity to grab. After all, if warned, then it is enriched within the boundaries of the possible.

      2. And yes, elections in 24th year. There is an imposition of Medvedev in an unobtrusive form)))
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 14 September 2020 17: 10
    0
    Yes, even there it didn’t come to a seed. They rejected it immediately ... https://www.vedomosti.ru/society/news/2020/09/11/839599-peskov-prokommentiroval-initsiativu-medvedeva-o-garantirovannom-dohode-dlya-rossiyan
  • Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 14 September 2020 17: 56
    -7
    This is utter nonsense. 25000r * 144000000 people * 12 months = 43,2 TRILLION per year. The entire budget is 20 trillion. ALL! If we refuse ALL pensions, salaries of state employees, medicine, education, the army and the navy, roads, subsidies in all areas of industry and everything else that is the state, half will still not be enough. And this is without taking into account inflation, the outbreak of unemployment, the constantly increasing demands of freeloaders and a simple thought in the head of any doctor / teacher / hard worker - why the heck I plow all day, if the neighbor Vasya the drunk does not do nichrome and gets the same. We will be left without a country in an instant. It is clear that the advocates of "take away and divide" will throw me minuses now, but still this is not an option ...
  • iouris
    iouris 15 September 2020 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    populist initiative from Medvedev

    Wrong. This is a "universal human trend": "We will drive humanity into happiness with an iron hand!" Medvedev is the future.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 14 September 2020 15: 05
    +8
    Payments will begin in 2050.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2020 15: 08
      20
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Payments will begin in 2050.

      There will be no payments not in 2050 not in 2300 .. The pension reform was conceived for a completely different purpose, and this is the whole truth about the current government .. and Medvedev decided to draw a fabulous prospect, for the rating of the United Russia before the elections .. about this initiative, I have two more weeks ago I heard.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 14 September 2020 15: 52
        14
        Of course, there will be no payments, pure populism.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 September 2020 16: 08
        -1
        There will not be any Medvedev in the 2024 elections - there will be Mishustin as a candidate.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 September 2020 16: 12
          +7
          Quote: Vadim237
          There will not be any Medvedev in the 2024 elections - there will be Mishustin as a candidate.

          Whether Medvedev, even Mishustin, even Mishkin, even Medvedkin ... there is no difference ..
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 14 September 2020 16: 28
            +3
            Who do you think will be? Or whom do you personally see?
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 14 September 2020 18: 48
            +6
            This is how the "grateful" population sees the exploiters who bargain for their homeland.


            Fragment from the movie "The Diamond Arm" (1968)
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2020 15: 14
    +3
    Initiative D ..... M ........, r .... p .... E ...... R .......... ",

    We have faces, kompashki, looking at which different feelings overwhelm .... someone like, but I have a feeling that sho ate nasty, nasty, nasty stuff and it's time to run to hug with a "white friend."
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 September 2020 15: 15
    +1
    About "Money for everyone"... (from the article)

    You can tear me apart into a bunch of little kaaarons, but my opinion is ...

    1. The minimum official salary of a man in the Russian Federation must ensure the level of income at which a man can support a pregnant wife and rent a one-room apartment
    2. While this is not - ... repeat
  • Essex62
    Essex62 14 September 2020 15: 19
    +3
    If full automation and robotization of production will allow creating an unlimited number of consumer goods, why bother with money? This is communism in its purest form. As in a well-known song from our happy Soviet childhood, robots are injecting, happy people. What kind of poor can there be in this situation?
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 14 September 2020 15: 39
      +4
      What kind of poor can there be in this situation?
      ... Robots are injected, super profit, and what kind of robot owner or a small group of owners. Who does not serve robots, into the laboratory ... for experiments. What kind of communism ?.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 14 September 2020 18: 20
        +3
        But this imbalance must be eliminated, in the most severe form.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 14 September 2020 15: 27
    +5
    Oh, this Mendel ...
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 September 2020 15: 30
    10
    There is no subject for discussion. Just super arrogant PR. Chutzpah.
    Previously, before the elections, the authorities threw handouts to the "electorate", now they make do with such promises.
    Much more interesting is another initiative of the authorities - with 2035 years surrender free public transport.
    But on condition that from 2025 the use of roads is paid.
    This is how they are preparing to eliminate the free use of roads.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 14 September 2020 20: 20
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      This is how they are preparing to eliminate the free use of roads.
      And what is the transport tax?
      1. Alexey Z
        Alexey Z 23 September 2020 18: 53
        0
        And they promised to replace this tax with an increase in excise taxes on fuel, by 3 percent in 3 years. Excise taxes are increased, the tax remains.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 14 September 2020 15: 32
    +4
    The development of robotics, automation and artificial intelligence will eventually lead to the unnecessary majority of jobs in the world in general and in Russia in particular.
    ... In any case, an employee does not need an owner who receives superprofits, it is the owner who needs an employee to receive superprofits.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 14 September 2020 15: 43
    +8
    Medvedev's logic is not in order, the retirement age has been increased, the workers have been added, he offers 4 days, they robbed the people like a sticky person, they deprived of pensions, the rent is constantly increased, food is added, gasoline, demand apparently fell - he offers to give money to support demand ... Note that he does not offer to raise the salary, because it reaches ridiculous above 20tr already considered a normal salary, and 30tr is good.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 September 2020 15: 44
    +1
    Helicopter money? Wouldn't it be better to create a group of goods for which prices would not rise? I must say from time immemorial the rich took care of the poor. These were also "kazenki" where cheap products were sold. Even at a time when there was no state, there was a law for princes, which said that the prince was obliged to feed, clothe the beggar, and give money for the journey.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 15: 46
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      Helicopter money? Wouldn't it be better to create a group of goods for which prices would not rise? I must say from time immemorial the rich took care of the poor. These were also "kazenki" where cheap products were sold. Even at a time when there was no state, there was a law for princes, which said that the prince was obliged to feed, clothe the beggar, and give money for the journey.

      In my opinion, it is not worth giving money. But you need to think about the option with a monthly ration within a certain amount.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 14 September 2020 16: 20
        0
        It is possible and simpler - vouchers / coupons / coupons for a certain amount for payment in a store, pharmacy, hospital or utility services. A little more complicated - a separate bank card with which you cannot cash out money or make a transfer.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: dzvero
          It is possible and simpler - vouchers / coupons / coupons for a given amount for payment in a store, pharmacy, hospital or utility services.


          something like this is better in my opinion
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 14 September 2020 17: 31
            +1
            Yes, and the system is more or less worked out. I don’t know how it is with you in Russia, but our employer can purchase vouchers from the issuing company and distribute them to the staff (you can do it a little, but every month, you can once a year on a holiday). The amount is not taxed (completely legal smile ). It looks like a checkbook with coupons for 1, 2, 5 and 10 leva. They take a lot where. True, cigarettes and alcohol cannot be bought with them, only food.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 17: 37
              +2
              Quote: dzvero
              True, cigarettes and alcohol cannot be bought with them, only food.

              So this is just not necessary - only food should be
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 14 September 2020 18: 05
                +4
                I agree. There are ways to improve the targeted use of funds. There is little to do - political will. And then the waving of checkers begins - "we will not give", "there will not be enough money for everyone", "you will drink it anyway" ... until the moment when the only private (!) Voucher emitter admitted to the trough is headed by the right person smile Then there will be an unconditional income for everyone. You can’t give away government money without fat, they don’t understand ...
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 18: 19
                  +3
                  Alas, you are completely correct. Well, at least so.
            2. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 14 September 2020 21: 59
              +2
              Quote: dzvero
              True, cigarettes and alcohol cannot be bought with them, only food.

              bonus money in networks (both grocery and network)
              In addition to the excise tax, you can buy anything you want.
              And the excise tax is just tobacco and alcohol.
              Why not introduce such a thing out of fear of drunkenness?
              Moreover, you can vary anything.
              In the United States, benefits can only be given with food supplements. (Notorious food stamps)
              EBT cards: a member of the food aid system can buy any food in stores that serve such cards (except for alcohol and tobacco)
              Cons - they are sold for real at the rate of 2 to one (400 USD for 200 USD).
      2. Galleon
        Galleon 14 September 2020 18: 25
        +2
        No, thanks. Have you received such rations? We received as if we had many children: very low quality of cheap products, cereals are often spoiled by a worm. I was pleasantly surprised by the current year - everything that was received for children due to the pandemic this year was quite decent - thanks to honest officials. But rations are not a panacea, and not every granny will pull off an 8-12 kg box.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2020 16: 14
      -1
      "Helicopter money" - For the officially poor in terms of income, why not 15000 a month per person and 19 million - though it's not clear where the additional 3,5 trillion rubles in the budget for this every year will be taken.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 14 September 2020 16: 30
        -1
        Yes, there is this money and many sources of it
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 September 2020 15: 23
          -1
          Where there is and at the expense of what sources you will take this amount - just do not talk about increasing taxes.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 15 September 2020 15: 55
            0
            Natural rent, an increase in the expenditure of budgetary funds, the field is not plowed here, the use of confiscated property and money of the thieving comrades for \ quiet purposes, the example of Zakharov and the like is very bright and so on and so forth ... take the same "Gazprom" with his sponsorship of foreign sports clubs and cups ... a lot of money is spent there. inappropriate expenses for the wildest advertising of his own ... but simply, if you raise the efficiency of the activities of state-owned companies ... that's the money
            1. your1970
              your1970 6 November 2020 09: 59
              0
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              . here and money
              -this money will be only once ... A living example -1918 ... when six months later it turned out that everything, there is nothing more to expropriate
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              simply, if we increase the efficiency of state-owned companies
              -they will always be many times more inefficient than private companies - it has been proven many times over by history all over the world.
              "Everything around is popular, everything around is nobody's ..."
              Under this slogan, only in my memory, in 7 years, 20 collective farm tractors were drowned in the river. "Ah-ah ... they will still give another one .."
  • tatra
    tatra 14 September 2020 16: 07
    +7
    Bolshevik communists took over Russia to create a State FOR the people. , without the rich and richest parasites on the necks of the people, their enemies seized Russia, so that at the expense of the people, they would become the rich and richest parasites. And they will never change this System.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 14 September 2020 18: 37
      +1
      Exactly. Kamrads, firmly standing on the bourgeois platform, are seriously discussing this bullshit, how, but what, how much? Will the budget pull? Those. for them, poverty and poverty in our country are in the order of things. Everything is natural and normal. I want to speak out very strongly, but I want even more ...
      Isn't it easier to liquidate the cause of such a bias and return to the situation 30 years ago, of course with certain corrections?
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2020 10: 05
        0
        Quote: Essex62
        Isn't it easier to liquidate the cause of such a bias and return to the situation 30 years ago, of course with certain corrections?
        - this is impossible for a number of reasons, including the banal - in a couple of years you will have a bunch of disgruntled youth who will say, "Well, yes, they shot the oligarchs, and what? You have to plow 10 times more (the industry will have to be restored) - and the salary has not been raised at times !! "
        This is exactly what happened in the 1918-1920s - when the population began to rebel on the sly (and not slowly too !!), "EVERYONE promised - but they gave shish and kumysh !!"
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 September 2020 16: 45
    0
    Most likely, Medvedev just reminded of himself to show that he was not in disgrace after the specific resignation of his government. And he decided to play on the opposition, throwing in the gingerbread.
    Seriously discussing this issue because it was raised by LADIES - there is no point, because LADIES is a well-known projector at the moment who does not have real power.

    If we consider objectively - in a country with a high% of goods produced abroad - rather against than for. We have a low consumer culture, the population is headlessly using credit products - from the basic unconditional income in the current conditions, we would receive the enrichment of external suppliers and credit organizations. Accordingly, a significant part of these funds in one form or another would have left the country - by a short route or by a long way, through bank fraud.

    The larger the range of products for its own needs the state can produce - the more relevant the basic unconditional income (as far as I understand) - because most of the funds are kept in the economy, stimulating their own manufacturers and employers.

    However, in a modified form or in the form of some kind of digital currency, this could PROBABLY benefit us too. If we develop a mechanism to ensure that this money remains in the budgets of cities-regions and in general within the country.
  • Unemployed
    Unemployed 14 September 2020 16: 48
    +2
    Medved - who is the fighter with bulbs and time zones? The article was launched early. There are four more years.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 September 2020 17: 29
    -1
    Dmitry Medvedev's initiative

    In this case, you can expect some kind of "creative" realization. I would not be surprised if the basic income, the minimum necessary for survival, is all that will be left to the Russians as a result of the "reform."
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 September 2020 19: 05
    0
    Yeah, right now, I believed them and opened my wallet. Well, they'll throw 150 rubles a month like help. And most likely it will not rent because of greed, but they will come up with force majeurers, then it is necessary to help the gas industry, then the poor bankers, then all (allies)
  • BABAY22
    BABAY22 14 September 2020 20: 25
    10
    We wanted the best, it turned out as always.
    Free travel by 35! Hurray, comrades!
    Below in small print:
    All roads are toll from the age of 25.
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2020 10: 11
      0
      Quote: BABAY22
      We wanted the best, it turned out as always.
      Free travel by 35! Hurray, comrades!
      Below in small print:
      All roads are toll from the age of 25.
      - in fact, the road tax is paid now. And the price increase due to this goods is now included in the price
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 September 2020 21: 26
    +2
    If state-owned enterprises for the production of food were to start working now, they would firstly reduce the number of unemployed. Secondly, they could set fixed prices, and thus compete with private enterprises. But who needs it. Why am I talking about this? In just five years of chain stores' existence, many ordinary stores have closed, followed by the closure of bakeries and other businesses.
  • viktor, viktor
    viktor, viktor 14 September 2020 21: 54
    +2
    Why invent a bicycle? Take the German social support system, very effective.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 15 September 2020 01: 44
    -3
    Freebies have never been good. The stupidest populism about universal payment is just treason. Are there free funds? Yes, super simple. The instruments of bringing them to the people of the sea. Cumulative payments for pensions and medical insurance, that is, investing the state in itself on a long-term basis, ensuring the comfort and protection of residents. Payroll tax refunds at this minimum. Student Loan and Mortgage Toolkit. You can use everything in a comprehensive manner.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 15 September 2020 05: 27
    +1
    the idea itself is good! the only question is implementation!
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 15 September 2020 06: 58
    0
    This measure is relevant only in the hard-pressed Western countries with zero inflation.

    In our case, in fact, working people will contain even more loafers.

    And, what is most interesting, they can introduce it, because idlers are voters.
  • 123456789
    123456789 15 September 2020 08: 02
    0

    The donkey looked at the carrot and suddenly remembered how wonderful it can be when you have your own farmer who takes care of you and treats you with carrots, and you do the work for him and you are his donkey. The donkey remembered that it is easier to overcome life's difficulties together ... And then he felt the scent of carrots, again with the farmer's hand close to his nose. ... He tied the promised carrot with a rope to a pole and attached it so that the carrot dangled in front of the donkey's nose. He himself sat down on the cart and ordered to go. The cart, laden with carrots and a farmer, turned out to be rather heavy, but the donkey conscientiously pulled on and the cart started to move. Soon she was rolling pretty fast.
    ================================================== ====================== And now he heard a small voice, which people call intuition, and the voice told him.

    - Such a wonderful donkey and so naive. When someone wants to give you a carrot, he offers it right away, and does not first put you to severe trials, and even hang the carrot in front of your nose. How could you forget about this? This farmer talked to you so much that you didn’t have a moment to think, and the carrot completely bewitched you. Now here you are standing alone in the open field, exhausted, with beaten legs and back, and never tasting carrots. Lesson to you for the future.
    The parable of the donkey and the carrot hi
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 September 2020 09: 09
    0
    Nonsense. In order to prevent a post-coronavirus crisis, 2 trillion were needed. The state did not even consider this scenario) And here - one and a half to two trillion monthly? At the same time, the basis of the system is non-bureaucratic payments, when you cannot entice a bribe and steal anything ?! Nonsense ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 September 2020 09: 13
    +1
    The idea has been discussed for a long time, but alas, these are all tricks for enduring.

    Since there is no one else's money, and if someone is given "Basic Unconditional Income", then someone will have to take it away ... Pensioners and hard workers do not have it anyway, but Elita will not give it.

    As an example - they discussed, promised to think about money for children in coronavirus in August, September - they did not give anything. 10 thousand for June, 10 thousand just an additive (not for July, so they don't get used to it), and everything, the rest is blah-blah ...

    Money does not smell, especially among the oligarchs who have added to "self-restraint" ...
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 15 September 2020 10: 44
    +3
    I disagree with the author. Young people today want early and a lot, from expensive phones, which, by the way, I don’t have, although I don’t have the cheapest, to many other things. Here the task of parents and the state is to explain that in order to have something better than the basic level, you need to study and work well. Today, people living on a pension of 12000 rubles a month, in fact, are starving, cannot buy themselves the necessary medicines, because only housing services in winter cost about 6500 rubles a month. This is an unacceptable standard of living, which is very reminiscent of the Nazi concentration camps.
    1. Kvazar
      Kvazar 20 September 2020 22: 11
      0
      Today, people living on a pension of 12000 rubles a month, in fact, are starving, cannot buy themselves the necessary medicines, because only utility services in winter cost about 6500 rubles a month. This is an unacceptable standard of living, which is very reminiscent of the Nazi concentration camps.

      What region? Work experience? Age? Where is our housing and communal services 6500? And even with the postscript "in winter"? What country are you from, darling?
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 15 September 2020 16: 47
    0
    Such an unheard-of generosity in the form of an unconditional income will not come soon in the Russian Federation, although Russia is a generous soul, but not for its own people. This can happen when technological progress reaches such heights, and captures all labor markets, introducing automation and robotization everywhere, that millions of people will simply not be needed, who, in fact, will have nowhere to attach. Of course, new professions will appear, but they will not be enough. And this is a distant prospect that will happen and from which there is no escape.

    Of course, there are people who are used to living in a shitty environment, and who, due to the standard of living and environment, believe that no one owes anything to anyone and does not owe anything, especially the state to its population, its citizens. Who consider survival, social Darwinism, financial and social, legal inequality as an absolute norm, especially on the basis of capitalism, i.e. do you live badly and poorly? It is only you and no one else who is to blame for this, but not the environment, country, state, government, politics, etc. Also, these people suffer from intellectual fascism and hate all those who live more or less without working, no matter at the expense of benefits or at the expense of absolute income, or at the expense of parents. For them, such people are parasites and just dregs of society.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 September 2020 17: 33
    +1
    They will take away more than they give. + inflation will be dispersed, businessmen will not miss the moment to raise prices.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 17 September 2020 04: 58
    +1
    yes, another BLABLABLA ... the vorye will never give his super profits to the needs of the plebs wassat It is concerned about the welfare of the people - just neighing.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2020 16: 38
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    of course his own. and whose else? who should I think about? about who eats beer at home? or can not tear off its back point? I had nothing. at all. and where were your offended when I taxied at night? pivasik sucked? this is not my fifth point. that's life. I took out a loan and went. you suffered.

    And I suppose you knit a ribbon somewhere on Victory Day, mark it with the same beer, or consume something more noble, then shout that "if Cho - we can repeat it!" Only in my opinion, people like you can only repeat ... another portion of whiskey, nothing more! sad
  • Kvazar
    Kvazar 20 September 2020 22: 03
    0
    The idea is crazy.
    1. At whose expense is the banquet? The hike will be for mine. And often I work for months without days off for 12 hours. And only taxes I pay 600.000 rubles a year.
    2. Income from oil, gas, and other resources? Did you count that income? Is 3k a month enough for you? But ALL toll roads, hospitals, etc. Because You will receive social assistance for free.
    3. All this "guarded income" will simply gobble up the "cost" of living. Which will immediately fly higher.

    Or do you think that those who work should live badly, and who in life and are not treated should live at his expense? It won't work that way.
    We already have social. the load is wild. The retirement age was raised for a reason.
    Working pensioners are actually getting their taxes refunded. Without any allowances from the region.
    The idea is just initially delusional. All this was already in the USSR. Where do not care how you work. You will get your penny. And the income in the USSR can be multiplied by 200. Get it in prices for today. 120 rubles for an engineer = 24,000 rubles for a young specialist. Even Tatjiks do not work in MSC for that kind of money. And the youngsters who need to be trained for another couple of years want 50-60k (actually I was looking for a person for 5 months). from the beach with such suggestions.

    Want a "guaranteed" income. Remove taxes from salary to employees. With what to get the hands of 100k, the employer gives 150k?
  • naidas
    naidas 24 September 2020 19: 04
    0
    Basic unconditional income - tufa, return the retirement age, or rather lower it by 5 years, let those who want to work, the rest have a minimum for life. Although jobs for young people will be vacated, otherwise mechanisms replace people, jobs are less and less.
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2020 10: 18
      0
      Quote: naidas
      Basic unconditional income - tufa, return the retirement age, or rather lower it by 5 years, let those who want to work, the rest have a minimum for life. Although jobs for young people will be vacated, otherwise mechanisms replace people, jobs are less and less.
      -and young people will go there to work - where do pensioners work ??? !!!
      We hang 6 job vacancies in the administration for more than a year - retirees left - and young people WHY request does not want to work for 12
      I still see crowds of joyful youth running to take the places of pensioners
  • loaln
    loaln 19 October 2020 11: 55
    0
    Money is a measure of labor expended.
    If they are paid without it, it is harm that corrupts a person.
    But society also cannot tolerate an unfair distribution of profits.
    Socialism chose the most compromise damping means for many shortcomings - social consumption funds, where the surplus of profit received by society was withdrawn.
    At the same time, a wage rate was established. According to his results.
    Yes, it is a complex process that requires constant tuning.
    But, alas, humanity has not yet invented anything else as a SOCIAL TOOL for increasing welfare.
    All individualistic forms are a dead end for social relations, ALWAYS leading to violent redistribution.
    With the simultaneous weakening of the state.
  • Jambal Green
    Jambal Green 1 November 2020 02: 33
    +1
    This is an uncharted practice that can lead to irreversible effects. For this practice, Muammar Gaddafi was going to present the award of one committee at the UN, Unconditional Basic Income from the distribution of resources and income of the national economy. Jamahiriya was a prosperous country for 42 years, until Medvedev betrayed it and the armies of 17 states attacked it.
  • Alexander Yusupov
    Alexander Yusupov 5 November 2020 22: 15
    0
    Be.
    But this should be paid to an EMPLOYED CITIZEN carrying out LABOR ACTIVITIES.
    From the President to the Janitor.
    That is, the unemployed UNCONDITIONAL INCOME IS NOT PAYED to him (his unemployed).
    A disabled person is also not allowed (he is paid a Pension).
    A non-working pensioner is ALSO not entitled to (his pension is charged).
    A working pensioner is POSITIVE.