The head of "Ukraviaprom": The scam "Ukroboronprom" finished off the Kharkiv aircraft plant

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The head of "Ukraviaprom": The scam "Ukroboronprom" finished off the Kharkiv aircraft plant

In 2017, Ukroboronprom, Kharkiv State aviation a manufacturing enterprise (KhGAPP, aka Kharkiv Aviation Plant) and Oriole Capital Group from the United States signed an investment agreement, but the plant never received any money. But, according to the terms of the agreement, he was forced to suspend cooperation with all other partners for three years.

Viktor Popov, head of the Ukraviaprom Association, spoke about this in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Ukrinform.



He believes that the American company was not going to make any investments in production, they are just international financial adventurers. It was written in the agreement that the company from the United States, possibly (!), Will invest 150 million dollars, and in return the company undertakes not to have any more relations with other companies for the next three years. Then it was necessary to completely stop negotiations with Canadian partners on the modernization of the An-74.

According to Popov, the Americans were not going to develop production, they were only interested in the territory on which the plant is located:

I believe that there was only one goal - to kill the plant and sell everything. They whispered about it: such a territory, practically the center of the city. Yes, you can build this here!

Immediately after the agreement was signed, Ukrainian journalists drew attention to the signs of fictitiousness of Oriole Capital Group, which was registered shortly before the agreement was signed. In response, Ukroboronprom made a statement that the company from the United States is a project company, it was allegedly created specifically for the implementation of this particular project. Its task is to accumulate resources from investors, funds, as well as general management.

It turned out that this is a banal scam in which Ukroboronprom took an active part.
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  1. +35
    11 September 2020 13: 09
    "It is not difficult to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived!"

    This is the motto of all interaction of modern Ukraine with its "Western friends".
    1. +24
      11 September 2020 13: 13
      I believe that there was only one goal - to kill the plant and sell everything.

      And you have been warned, but fools learn from their mistakes.
      1. +12
        11 September 2020 13: 17
        Quote: figvam
        And you have been warned, but fools learn from their mistakes.

        But since - fools fool , then no conclusions are drawn from the errors No. , and do not repent ...
        1. +5
          11 September 2020 14: 34
          They knew It. But they froze their feet with a specialist ... and let the prostheses be better (they don't freeze).
          1. 0
            11 September 2020 19: 42
            But, since they are fools, they do not draw conclusions from mistakes, and do not repent ...

            And it looks like the time will come and they will repent ... and before the Donbass and before us! And be sure to kneel!
            1. +1
              12 September 2020 19: 46
              "on your knees" is very little. Well, Very much. Here, criminals cannot do without gallows.
      2. +13
        11 September 2020 13: 44
        Quote: figvam
        And you have been warned, but fools learn from their mistakes.

        As if the same with Belarus did not happen.
        And they are warned. And a clear example is nearby, but they do not want to see and hear. Especially the immature generation.
        1. +4
          11 September 2020 14: 36
          Unripe - half-educated, under-educated. Ideology is a loot. All the rest do not care. So I don’t care and appeared. And not only in Belarus.
        2. +2
          11 September 2020 15: 31
          The Belarusian oppositionists all fled to the west and simply showed their incompetence.
          1. 0
            11 September 2020 17: 41
            Quote: ydjin
            Belarusian oppositionists all fled to the west
            Bobariko did not run away.
      3. +12
        11 September 2020 14: 13
        Fools in this case are most likely those who believe that in this deal someone has deceived someone.
        It looks more like it was immediately conceived and all parties to the agreement knew perfectly well why they were signing it.
      4. +15
        11 September 2020 14: 38
        What a pity to look at all this. KB Antonov and the Kharkov aircraft plant - what were the grandees of the Soviet aviation industry ...
        Everything was destroyed by the enemies, which was built with such labor and enthusiasm by the Great Socialist Brotherhood ...
        1. +3
          11 September 2020 15: 03
          That’s definitely not a pity for the great civilization of the Sumeri ...
          The USSR ... the one that Stalin conceived is very sorry ... and the subsequent history and collapse were quite expected starting with Khrushchev ...
          1. +1
            11 September 2020 17: 49
            Quote: silberwolf88
            That’s definitely not a pity for the great civilization of the Sumeri ...
            Stalin clearly overestimated the potential of the outskirts. Now let the West babysit them, these naughty little brothers in mind. Russia is doing the right thing that it was eliminated in the 90s and to this day. If they don't want to - why pull the collar?
        2. +5
          11 September 2020 18: 55
          Quote: Doccor18
          What a pity to look at all this. KB Antonov and Kharkov aircraft plant - what were the grandees of the Soviet aviation industry ..

          Do you mind looking at the giants of the Soviet industry who are buried on Russian territory? Or just neighbors "you see a speck in your eye, but you don't notice a log in your own"? Ukraine is now following the same path as Russia in the 90s and early 2000s. But Russia was fortunate enough to have a president who began at least somehow to restore what had been lost before him.
      5. +3
        11 September 2020 15: 08
        Quote: figvam
        And you have been warned, but fools learn from their mistakes.

        Good life
        Who has galoshes.
        Maybe he can weld galoshes
        Can eat them raw
      6. 0
        11 September 2020 15: 39
        making space in the market for others also costs money. Halo did the job, and we can squeeze into the vacant niche?
        1. 0
          11 September 2020 19: 28
          Quote: antivirus
          making space in the market for others also costs money. Halo did the job, and we can squeeze into the vacant niche?

          The niche is freed from us and not for us
          1. +1
            11 September 2020 19: 59
            at all times geniuses have mistakes, including market gurus - you have to wait and use it correctly.

            we must also have the audacity to take our former place at the present.


            arrogance is the second happiness, and arrogance is a vice.
            1. +10
              11 September 2020 21: 16
              hi Our rats "ihnim" are related ... They break a comedy only for the holy fools.
      7. 0
        11 September 2020 17: 59
        Also relevant for skipping ropes from the Republic of Belarus.
  2. +9
    11 September 2020 13: 09
    But, according to the terms of the agreement, he was forced to suspend cooperation with all other partners for three years.

    But probably the signatories from Ukraine received a rather big loot for their pocket.
    1. +11
      11 September 2020 13: 15
      Well, this was the calculation, everyone got a good gesheft from this, except for the plant!
    2. -6
      11 September 2020 13: 22
      For what? All remained with their own.
      1. +9
        11 September 2020 13: 53
        Quote: Avior
        All remained with their own.

        Especially the workers of the Kharkov aircraft plant.
        They remained with their paws, which can now suck in their apartments without work, like bears in their dens. If and while there is stored fat.

        And the gesheftmasters got hold of for the murder of a competitor and freed up the area for building.
        1. 0
          11 September 2020 15: 19
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          And the gesheftmasters got hold of for the murder of a competitor and freed up the area for building.

          These are the principles of "Western values".
        2. 0
          11 September 2020 16: 22
          Do you think the plant flourished before? He has had problems for a long time.
          1. +2
            11 September 2020 17: 53
            Quote: Avior
            Do you think the plant flourished before? He has had problems for a long time.
            Which is better: a plant with problems, or no plant - no problem? Simple question for you, isn't it? :)
            1. +1
              11 September 2020 18: 02
              Quote: Volder
              Which is better: a plant with problems, or no plant - no problem? Simple question for you, isn't it? :)

              Well, there have always been / are / will be those who sincerely consider the guillotine to be the best remedy for migraines ...
        3. 0
          11 September 2020 18: 54
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Especially the workers of the Kharkov aircraft plant.

          Valuable workers have long been in most of Russia at Kazanskoe mostly. A smaller part either drank themselves or in EU countries.
          1. Eug
            0
            13 September 2020 08: 42
            Some left for Voronezh. There were a lot of advertisements in the media about employment at VASO.
  3. +1
    11 September 2020 13: 16
    Apparently someone put a decent amount in their pocket ... It is unlikely that local lawyers would have missed such a moment without strong pressure:
    a company from the USA, possibly (!), invests 150 million dollars
    and perhaps does not invest.
  4. 0
    11 September 2020 13: 17
    It is a pity the plant, but on the other hand, Ukroine does not need it in the current realities.
    Those units that are sometimes produced in Ukraine can be made at Antonov.
    1. +8
      11 September 2020 13: 43
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It is a pity the plant, but on the other hand, Ukroine does not need it in the current realities.

      Especially for you, the Leader, a video about how the Outskirts went, and finally reached the level that it does not need anything at all. Look carefully Yes "Ukrainian fan" (V. Danilets) described everything clearly ...


      PS: Leader, so maybe Donbass, Outskirts do not need?
      1. -2
        11 September 2020 14: 15
        I think that with such subjects it is not necessary. So get ready for long gray days, with a mythical light at the end ... Will there be an end?
        1. +9
          11 September 2020 14: 17
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I think that with such subjects it is not necessary.

          Of course Yes Moreover, we are going to Russia.
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Will there be an end?

          Practice says: "No matter how much the rope twists, everything will end at one end Yes "
          1. -1
            11 September 2020 14: 18
            So the rope has two ends ...
            Here or padishah or donkey.
            1. +7
              11 September 2020 14: 20
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              So the rope has two ends ...
              Here or padishah or donkey.

              So after all, both Shah and donkey, both in the Kiev Khanate Yes
        2. +2
          11 September 2020 14: 37
          There will be no end ... for the tunnel is drunk.
    2. +2
      11 September 2020 20: 10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It is a pity the plant, but on the other hand, Ukroine does not need it in the current realities.
      Those units that are sometimes produced in Ukraine can be made at Antonov.

      Single boards and serial boards are not comparable in price.
      Killing seriality = killing competitiveness.
      Many components came from Russia => reduction of our production, with all that it implies.
  5. 0
    11 September 2020 13: 21
    Ukroboronprom found someone to play with ... they sat down at the table with cheaters of international scale ... wassat
    1. +2
      11 September 2020 14: 28
      Quote: Mouse
      Ukroboronprom found someone to play with ... they sat down at the table with cheaters of international scale ...

      How many international swindlers ruined this scheme in the 90s is even difficult to imagine.
      1. +1
        11 September 2020 14: 50
        do not learn from the mistakes of others ... let them go this way .......
    2. +1
      11 September 2020 15: 06
      They did not play ... they are accomplices with their gesheft ...
      1. +1
        11 September 2020 15: 25
        With Gesheft, they broke off only ... here and resentment ...
    3. +1
      11 September 2020 18: 02
      Quote: Mouse
      Ukroboronprom found someone to play with ... they sat down at the table with cheaters of international scale ... wassat

      This is to learn from them how to competently engage in cheating. Invaluable experience! They will certainly be reflected in their resumes.
    4. 0
      11 September 2020 23: 09
      "Ukroboronprom" - "croupier" with "marked cards" wink , firm "Oriole Capital Group" - katala (sharper) bully , KhGAPP - l about x wassat , the rate "living space" of KSAMC against 150 "lemons" $ from "Oriole Capital Group" ... is the outcome of the game clear? ...
  6. +4
    11 September 2020 13: 24
    You can only pat on the shoulder approvingly
  7. +9
    11 September 2020 13: 39
    It was written in the agreement that the company from the USA, possibly (!), Will invest 150 million dollars

    A normal person, having read this, will immediately ask the question - What does "Possibly" mean?
    What is it like? We fulfill the conditions on our part, and you "possibly" ...?
    fool
    What is there actually to talk about with such "investors".

    Well, of course, if everything is not so simple, and there is personal interest, then this radically changes the matter! feel
    1. 0
      11 September 2020 16: 12
      Quote: BABAY22
      A normal person, having read this, will immediately ask the question - What does "Possibly" mean?
      What is it like? We fulfill the conditions on our part, and you "possibly" ...?

      Papers need to be read thoroughly to the letter, in this case they were deceived. But I know a case when ours were deceived7 One large shipping company created a joint venture with staff, ours invested ships, and staff dollars, a contract for so many years, a head office in the states. During the contract, ours managed to transfer the ships according to the flags, and at the end of the contract, they refused to renew with the Americans, but since the ships were no longer under the Russian flag, they organized their own company somewhere in Singapore, an office in the Caribbean, the ships had already passed under their jurisdiction, (when passing under the flag, a new owner is indicated). So Russia and the states were out of work. Although the office in the Russian port of N worked for two more years, although they did not have steamers. When everyone woke up, it was too late to wave his hands. We also had intelligent swindlers.
  8. +1
    11 September 2020 13: 44
    They just divorced like children.
    1. 0
      11 September 2020 15: 07
      Where did you see children among these Bandera skins
  9. +1
    11 September 2020 13: 47
    the only goal is to kill the plant and sell everything
    - and not about Ukraine, but about foreign investments in the Russian economy. Today, a Russian governor is among the “leaders” if he attracted more than other foreign investors ... Governors in the Kremlin are valued not for what they did for the region, but for how many other “tsam” he allowed to buy what we live in .. . I AM AGAINST FOREIGN INVESTMENT !!! We have our own INVESTORS .... it is true that investing our own in something, in RUSSIA, is still dangerous ... (I am not an oligarch, I am a pensioner living on 15 thousand rubles a month). statistics - a beggar ... but if necessary, we will buy the USA with giblets ...
  10. +1
    11 September 2020 13: 55
    "If you lose your bet, you lose your apartment. If you win, then ... You don't lose anything."
    It was written in the agreement that the company from the USA, possibly (!), Will invest 150 million dollars, and in return the company undertakes not to have any more relations with other companies for the next three years.

    No, well, I understand that here the signatories just stuffed the bag with a bribe. But how such a condition of the contract was justified then ???
  11. +1
    11 September 2020 14: 18
    He believes that the American company was not going to make any investments in production, they are just international financial adventurers.
    WE went through this back in the early 90s, and only now it has come to them.
    1. +4
      11 September 2020 14: 43
      Quote: tihonmarine
      He believes that the American company was not going to make any investments in production, they are just international financial adventurers.
      WE went through this back in the early 90s, and only now it has come to them.

      hi No, comrade Tihonmarine, we in Ukraine "pass" this BEFORE, also from the beginning of the 90s, Alas!
      Just Ukrainian deriban "saints (oh, this verbiage drunk ghoul, so that she has this bandit" holiness ", but on the forehead! negative ) 90s "we are endless, there is no one for them to" poklast "!
      Banderlozhiy "Ukroboronprom" is Ostapbender's "Horns and Hooves", only on a much larger scale! request
      1. +2
        11 September 2020 15: 00
        Quote: pishchak
        we in Ukraine "pass" this BEFORE, also since the beginning of the 90s, alas!

        Yes, exactly the "Deriban saints", they have been running rakes for almost 30 years, and they still think "I'm smart, I will run on rakes, it's only fools who get it in the forehead." And how far Ilf and Petrov looked.
  12. 0
    11 September 2020 14: 22
    possibly (!), invests 150 million dollars,
    fool Thought gets richer. And you don't have to do anything, and the pennies themselves float into the pocket and fit. fellow
    Banana Republic -
    commonplace scam,
  13. +1
    11 September 2020 14: 22
    I thought it was 2014 killed by the aviation industry.
    1. 0
      11 September 2020 18: 11
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      I thought it was 2014 killed by the aviation industry.
      It's just that from this year the Ukrainians began to allow foreigners (the West) to interfere more actively in the internal affairs of the country. Russia also went through this in the 90s.
      1. 0
        11 September 2020 19: 01
        Yes, much more active. Until the age of 14 they licked everyone, just Janek went too far and managed to quarrel with all the oligarchs.
        1. 0
          11 September 2020 19: 07
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Janek just went too far and managed to quarrel with all the oligarchs.
          Well, to quarrel with Benya Kolomoisky is a sacred cause!
  14. +1
    11 September 2020 15: 04
    Why does an agrarian country need at least some modern production? Sickles and beads will be brought, buy, calculation in kind.
  15. +2
    11 September 2020 15: 54
    Ukroboronprom

    It already sounds like a short anecdote ... Shameful!
  16. +2
    11 September 2020 16: 53
    If such "guys" break through to Belarus, they will get rich ...
    1. +2
      11 September 2020 23: 15
      Sergei, the main "wealth" in the bowels of Ukraine and Belarus is the GTS and oil pipelines.
    2. +1
      12 September 2020 08: 43
      it won't even be a klondike !!! there, in order to get rich, it was necessary to work a lot and work hard waving a pick (we don't count as traders) ... but here, without straining, a profit of 1000% or more
  17. 0
    11 September 2020 17: 12
    I would not seriously consider Popov's statements. He's not talking like that now.
    There is a sharp struggle for investment and control in KhAZ, including the participation of Popov and Yaroslavsky, and there is no question of any demolition
    ... Kharkiv businessman Alexander Yaroslavsky is ready to attract $ 1 billion of investments to the Kharkiv aircraft plant (State Enterprise Kharkiv Aviation Production Enterprise), according to a statement from the DCH group controlled by him.

    And this is from the last interview with Popov, the owner of FED.
    ... Is FED interested in investing money in KhAZ?
    - At KhAZ there are many of our units, previously mastered, they need to be updated. PJSC "FED" together with other investors could inject up to UAH 3 billion into KhAZ. as a starting amount in several tranches, but pointwise, for the intended purpose.

    I think Popov's words should not be trusted on faith, he is an interested person
    1. 0
      11 September 2020 18: 19
      Quote: Avior
      There is a sharp struggle for investment and control in KhAZ, including the participation of Popov and Yaroslavsky, and there is no question of any demolition
      Key words from quotes are "ready to attract investment" and "could pour in". But things are still there, there is no progress. Apparently, something is interfering ... I hope you catch the difference between the real plans and the wet desires of the bad dancers.
      1. 0
        11 September 2020 19: 22
        Yaroslavsky has it fresh this summer.
        But they don't agree on terms.
        Yaroslavsky wants a concession.
        That is, the plant still has a chance.
        1. 0
          11 September 2020 20: 58
          Quote: Avior
          Yaroslavsky wants a concession.
          If he does not want to share pieces of the pie, then he will not be given a concession. Let's see how corrupt officials come to terms with each other ...
  18. 0
    11 September 2020 17: 14
    ... Ukroboronprom made a statement that ... the company is a project company, it was allegedly created specifically for the implementation of this specific project. Its task is to accumulate resources from investors, funds, as well as general management. It turned out to be a banal scam ...

    Ukroboronprom is a banal scam, it is
  19. 0
    11 September 2020 17: 58
    The Ukrainian scam destroyed everything there.
  20. +1
    11 September 2020 18: 26
    "Banderooboronprom" is an organization created by the command of mattress makers to destroy the remnants of the Ukrainian industry, at the head of which was the Pribal, the proven "six" Soros. No wonder, the result is natural. There, Yaroslavsky "harnessed" the plant, but the chances are scanty.
  21. 0
    11 September 2020 19: 04
    .zelensky came to Trump for the greens and he doesn't give .. he says you suck me off then I'll think ... well Zelensky - ok sir .. now stand on the stool first .. well Trump got up .. Zelensky sucked ... Trump asks a what a joke with a bench ... and Zelensky in response - we are a small but proud Ukrainian people will not kneel before anyone ...
  22. 0
    11 September 2020 19: 43
    It was written in the agreement that the company from the USA, possibly (!), Will invest 150 million dollars, and in return the company undertakes not to have any more relations with other companies for the next three years.

    This is an onerous deal ...
    A transaction on extremely unfavorable terms, which a person was forced to complete due to a combination of difficult circumstances, than the other party took advantage of (an onerous transaction), may be recognized by the court as invalid at the claim of the victim.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_5142/f5742b6373038a15f928a5e6cdb18017fbca5e62/
    Part 3 of Article 179 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation ...
    Article 233 of the Civil Code of Ukraine, an analogue of the Russian norm ...
    https://juristoff.com/resyrsi/kz/gk/2645-statya-233-pravovye-posledstviya-sdelki-sovershennoj-pod-vliyaniem-tyazhelogo-obstoyatelstva

    In Russian - the empirialists took advantage of the need of the "orphans" ...
  23. 0
    12 September 2020 00: 30
    funny, but nothing new !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  24. 0
    12 September 2020 01: 49
    and what? so it was possible? Yes?
  25. 0
    12 September 2020 09: 27
    How can you not remember Stalin? winked
    Traitors and request thieves
  26. 0
    12 September 2020 10: 38
    We didn't want to learn the history of perestroika, so we got it! How many new factories we have put on the side of the shitty privatizers. Now it is Ukraine's turn to receive its portion of promises
  27. 0
    12 September 2020 10: 38
    Its task is to accumulate resources from investors, funds, as well as general management.

    Well, all the $ 150 million was spent on this, not God knows what amount. All to be honest
  28. Eug
    0
    12 September 2020 11: 27
    The scam began much earlier, in the years 2010-2012, Boguslaev offered to finance the creation of technical first-aid kits in countries - potential customers of the An-74. He was not allowed to do these. The second scam was when the Kazakhs were thrown with an advance payment of $ 15 million for the An-74 for the Emergencies Ministry. The fairest Ukrainian court in the world put them at 6 !!!!!! line of compensation for damages. Now there are rumors that the plane is still being completed for them, but I have not seen official messages. But it was possible for the Kazakhs and with them to make and make airplanes - the Kazakhs would have taken all the equipment in Russia without any problems, and there would have been no problems, but there would have been stable work and profit - since there is a demand, albeit small, but stable! It's about missed opportunities (at least from my bell tower). There were several scams with "portfolio investors" - they appeared from nowhere and disappeared. Why I think that KhAZ is more likely dead than alive - it is not clear that with the flight base, I have not seen flights of the laboratory for checking aerodrome equipment for several years - previously, An-30 flew annually. Second, in an incomprehensible proximity to the southern end of the runway, elite residential buildings have been built, and even if they do not directly interfere with takeoff and landing, the hum of the engines, especially at night, will hardly be to the taste of the residents of these houses, who are by no means poor and with appropriate capabilities. Well, back in 2012 the factory workers could not answer the question - how much will the plane cost "from scratch"? The sums for the preserved fuselages were named, but not from scratch. And most likely this situation has not changed. I'm not even talking about the staff. Something like this...

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