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T-34 exercises with live fire were held at the Alabino training ground

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T-34 exercises with live fire were held at the Alabino training ground

On the eve of the celebration of the Day of the Tanker, live firing took place at the Alabino training ground in the Moscow region tanks T-34. Servicemen of the tank army of the Western Military District (ZVO) took part in the exercises. The press service of the district reports.


In the Moscow region, on the eve of the celebration of the Day of the Tanker, servicemen of the Guards Tank Army of the Western Military District conducted live firing from T-34 tanks, recognized as the best tanks of the Great Patriotic War

- said in a statement.

The press service clarified that during the firing, the crews of the T-34 tanks fired at targets at various distances. Before firing, the tanks overcame obstacles and carried out complex maneuvers in high-speed sections. The tank crews were selected servicemen with the best performance in combat training.


This allows officers and soldiers not only to feel the continuity in the tank profession from the front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War, but also to understand how, driving this tank, they won Victory

- stated in the district.

Recall that the Day of the Tankman is celebrated in Russia every second Sunday in September. As a professional holiday for tankers, it was established by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on July 11, 1946.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 September 2020 11: 11
    15
    Yes, the T-34 is a Victory tank!
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 11: 31
      11
      looks gorgeous! hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 11 September 2020 12: 46
        +3
        All 100! How it bangs, azhnyk exhaust from the shot!
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 11 September 2020 13: 11
          -5
          This allows officers and soldiers not only to feel the continuity in the tank profession from the front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War, but also to understand how, driving this tank, they won Victory
          the tank in the video is beautiful and harmonious, just handsome, but, Victory was not forged on this tank, the author went too far. This is rather a deeply post-war Indonesian or Laotian, I have already forgotten, a copy given to us last year seems.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 11 September 2020 19: 16
            +5
            Quote: Dead Day
            The victory was not forged on this tank, the author went too far. This is rather a deeply post-war Indonesian or Laotian, I have already forgotten, a copy given to us last year seems.
            If about participation in the database - then yes, the tank is 99% not a participant. If about the model, then after the T-34-85 (it ended the war) were there any modifications?
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 September 2020 21: 19
              +2
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: Dead Day
              The victory was not forged on this tank, the author went too far. This is rather a deeply post-war Indonesian or Laotian, I have already forgotten, a copy given to us last year seems.
              If about participation in the database - then yes, the tank is 99% not a participant. If about the model, then after the T-34-85 (it ended the war) were there any modifications?

              Formally, it was not, but after the war, all T-34-85s underwent a "creeping" modification - the rollers on the 54 were replaced, the radio, something else on the little things.

              1. seregin-s1
                seregin-s1 11 September 2020 23: 59
                0
                Fool you are cardboard!)
                1. Alf
                  Alf 12 September 2020 11: 01
                  0
                  Quote: seregin-s1
                  Fool you are cardboard!)

                  Who are you?
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 12 September 2020 05: 03
                +3
                Quote: Alf
                Formally, it was not, but after the war, all T-34-85s underwent a "creeping" modification - the rollers on the 54 were replaced, the radio, something else on the little things.
                Let's just say: the air cleaner, rollers and harp are consumables.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 12 September 2020 11: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Alf
                  Formally, it was not, but after the war, all T-34-85s underwent a "creeping" modification - the rollers on the 54 were replaced, the radio, something else on the little things.
                  Let's just say: the air cleaner, rollers and harp are consumables.

                  So I say, not modification, but standardization.
          2. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 11 September 2020 19: 42
            0
            And we thought that they took part in the tank biathlon. In the photo there is just a tank with a yellow flag and they passed the same route as the T-72
          3. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 11 September 2020 20: 00
            +1
            So in Laos, tanks 44g. Issues were it seems?
  2. Trevis
    Trevis 11 September 2020 11: 12
    +4
    Krasava tank!
  3. Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 September 2020 11: 18
    +8
    Thresh ...
    It is necessary to conduct practical exercises with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense on the use of a stone ax To "feel continuity"

    The army must either fight or prepare for war, training hard.
    Show is not an army task. This is for theater, circus, stage. Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 11 September 2020 11: 26
      15
      The army has always been engaged in patriotic education. The trouble is that it was done competently before. Since such events are held, then it is desirable for young spectators. Yunarmeytsev. Young people from circles engaged in modeling. Students from military departments. And to be allowed to sit in the cars. Turn the aiming handles.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 11: 31
        +6
        Quote: garri-lin
        Students from military departments

        There are almost no such people left. Someone very successfully worked on the elimination of the reserve training system of the Russian Armed Forces.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 11 September 2020 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          There are almost no such people left.

          Don't tell. In "Baumanka", in order to get into the training center at the university and get a sergeant's specialty, you need to pass a competition based on the results of the first year and pass the standards for physical training. As far as I know, this year's competition has over three students per place. So the military department works there, they train specialists, and I think they are not bad, given that this is one of the best universities in the country.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 13: 05
            12
            Quote: ccsr
            Don't tell

            I'll tell you. Military departments were eliminated. The military training centers you mentioned do not exist in every university and have a number of critical shortcomings. For example, at the end of the VUTS, you must also serve 3 years. Many people want to lose the first three years of their civilian career?
            Think about doctors, for example. It is very logical for a country to have a supply of medical personnel liable for military service. But now there are no departments in medical colleges - after college, doctors go to a year of military service to trample boots in combat units and are not used in their direct specialty. Clever?
            The same can be said about various techies, chemists and other specialists, even whose civilian knowledge would be useful to the army in a hard time. Reformatting them into a qualified stock for such a case with the help of training at the military department is the only right decision. Replacing the departments with VUTs can temporarily solve the problem with the shortage of contract soldiers (and ordinary conscripts) in the army right here and now, while destroying the mechanisms for forming a reserve that have been created for decades, which, in the event of a serious war, will be like air we need.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 11 September 2020 13: 18
              -2
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              For example, at the end of the VUTS, you must also serve 3 years. Many people want to lose the first three years of their civilian career?

              As far as I know, they are given a military ID and generally are not drafted into the army, which is why many are eager to go there. Baumanka students do not sign any obligations to serve in the army when they enter the training center.
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              After college, doctors go to a year of military service to trample boots in combat units and are not used in their direct specialty. Clever?

              If this is true, then this is savagery - even in the USSR, not all people with higher education were drafted into the army.
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              Replacing the departments with VUTs can temporarily solve the problem with the lack of contract workers

              I think now there is no such problem - there are already enough people who want to become contract soldiers, especially taking into account benefits and early retirement. True, it all depends on the region - out of some it is generally better not to draft into the army.
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              destroying at the same time the mechanisms for forming a reserve that have been created for decades, which, in the event of a serious war, will be like air we need.

              I do not believe that in a future war we will need reserves - everything will be much faster than they will have time to announce mobilization. Perhaps that is why they simplified the preparation of the reserve - by and large, such reservists will forget all the skills of working on complex equipment in 5-7 years.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 14: 47
                +5
                Quote: ccsr
                they are given a military ID and generally are not drafted into the army

                You can go to the reserve immediately after graduation only in some of these programs, in the rest there is a contract for 3-5 years at the end. At the same time, only 93 VUTS operate in the entire huge country. Considering these two factors, we can say that for the majority of students in the country, getting a VUS and leaving for the reserve is an impossible task. Consequently, the formation of a sufficient reserve for our army today is an impossible task.

                Quote: ccsr
                If this is true

                A friend's brother, after finishing the second honey, went to serve as a signalman for a term.

                Quote: ccsr
                I do not believe that in a future war we will need reserves

                It is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of understanding.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 11 September 2020 18: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  Considering these two factors, we can say that for the majority of students in the country, getting a VUS and retiring to the reserve is an impossible task.

                  My wife’s nephew received a military ID after a bachelor's degree in "baumanki" and was not called up anywhere.
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  A friend's brother, after finishing the second honey, went to serve as a signalman for a term.

                  This is generally absurd. Maybe he got into the communications unit to undergo service in the medical VUS?
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  It is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of understanding.

                  Yes, it was clear for a long time - even in the Soviet Army, all competent officers understood what the real scenario would be, but our commanders believed that since this was the rule in the GOMU, then there was no need to cut military departments in many universities.
                  Today, the same civilian surgeons have incomparably more experience than military surgeons. And this is quite understandable.
                  I do not argue with this - I actually meant combat specialties, which are forgotten in civilian life.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 22: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    I have a nephew of my wife

                    Forgive me, but your nephew alone cannot form a reserve. There are 93 VUTS for the country, and only a part of the programs in them implies preparation with access to the reserve. I myself was finishing my jacket, the department (faculty of military education), when they were almost everywhere replaced by UCs, and that time they left our university and several others. In the 19th, there was a new reform, now instead of departments, faculties and educational centers - VUTs. And there are 93 of them. This is sorely enough

                    Quote: ccsr
                    Yes, it was clear for a long time - even in the Soviet Army, all competent officers understood what the real scenario would be

                    At that time, there was a much larger number of charges, chemical weapons, etc. although even then, I am sure, everything was not so simple.

                    Quote: ccsr
                    I actually meant combat specialties, which are forgotten in civilian life.

                    Below the techie has unsubscribed, for example. And there are many such examples. Probably, there were some that were forgotten, since they were not associated with a civilian profession. But I mostly know the opposite examples.

                    Quote: ccsr
                    This is generally absurd. Maybe he got into the communications unit to undergo service in the medical VUS?

                    Private conscript. The most common.
              2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 14: 56
                +2
                Quote: ccsr
                by and large, such reservists will forget all skills in 5-7 years

                This issue was discussed not so long ago at VO. Today, the same civilian surgeons have incomparably more experience than military surgeons. And this is quite understandable.
                1. Sharky
                  Sharky 11 September 2020 15: 21
                  +6
                  This issue was discussed not so long ago at VO. Today, the same civilian surgeons have incomparably more experience than military surgeons. And this is quite understandable.

                  Write everything correctly. Having abolished military departments, they destroyed a whole layer of specialists who, in the event of an emergency, could go to serve as lieutenants in their specialty. Earlier, in the BGA, in the "Makarovka" these departments were. Not all of them entered the service after graduation, most were assigned to the reserve. I am one of those who received a military service card as a reserve officer and went to work at sea in my specialty right after the academy (merchant fleet). Knowledge is not lost, ICE and ICE in Africa, as well as auxiliary mechanisms. Plus, I saw a lot of new things in shipbuilding of foreign schools, their approach, pulled up the language of the most probable enemy. And now, future sailors have to go to the army for a year outside their specialty, losing the skills and experience gained during training.
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 11 September 2020 21: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Sharky
                    I am one of those

                    Sharky, hello! hi Makarovka finish? What year? Write in a personal if you want.
                    1. Sharky
                      Sharky 12 September 2020 01: 42
                      +1
                      Not. Kaliningrad, BGA RF. But I work with the guys from Makarovka, a generation younger and already without a military department. hi
            2. Maximillian von Adelheid
              Maximillian von Adelheid 12 September 2020 14: 54
              0
              Yeah ... AT MATI (Russian State Technological University named after K. E. Tsiolkovsky) my friends, from the aviation department, "were given the rank of junior lieutenant (tank commander for VUS)". Yes, they themselves only saw the tanks a couple of times at the ranges ... from afar. This is the early to mid-2000s ...
              SIM WIN !!!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 11 September 2020 12: 11
          +5
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Someone very successfully worked on the elimination of the reserve training system of the Russian Armed Forces.

          And his surname is Taburetkin.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 11 September 2020 11: 26
      +6
      Experience is always rewarding. In addition, this is an interesting move, because where else can you see WWII tanks in action?
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 September 2020 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      The army must either fight or prepare for war, training hard.

      Even in the Great Patriotic War, for example, a parade was held and salutes were given to the liberators. You are not considering the importance of ceremony in your judgment.
    4. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 September 2020 11: 29
      -8
      there is a very big problem in the army now. it is not yet strongly felt, but in 7-8 years it will completely cover. it is called-fall in popularity. and if you don’t put a lot of energy into it yesterday, it will be very bad. a no brainer that the army is not a show. and combat training is not a circus. but the show will have to deal with. especially on memorable dates and such special days. Know the worst thing to face? with the way young officers simply burn out for service. but such little things seem to help a lot to avoid this. people have changed. for them what was enough for us before is not enough.
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 11 September 2020 11: 36
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        there is a very big problem in the army now. it is not yet strongly felt, but in 7-8 years it will completely cover, it is called the fall in popularity

        You should look at competitions in army higher educational institutions before inventing a problem!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 11 September 2020 11: 43
          +3
          you do not confuse study and routine service. even me a man who, apart from the army, did not know anything else in life, an old man covered that he almost quit. I'm not talking about studying and the desire to serve. I'm talking about the whole chain. I know dozens of military dynasties that have been interrupted in recent years. the young officers leave. in which the state has invested huge amounts of money, and it is by no means because of the money that they should also be protected. I suppose I would only be glad for such a show at 25)
          1. ioan-e
            ioan-e 11 September 2020 11: 55
            +2
            This problem, if you insist that it exists, cannot be solved without returning ideology to the constitution! In general, everything in our country rests against the absence of ideology! We don't know where we are going, the whole country, in a global sense! Under the communists, the goal was, albeit utopian, but it was! Now what? What is the global goal? Desire for a tight belly, dough and endless pleasures? Well, this has already ruined the Roman Empire! It is high time to start a broad public dialogue with the authorities on the formation of the development goals of the state, it is high time and there is no need to be ashamed of it! Otherwise we are always in the position of making excuses! Why does Erdogan allow himself to speak openly about the restoration of the Ottoman ports, and we are silent in a rag, with our resources? We are afraid of the second cold war or the third world war, well, so they began long ago!
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 11 September 2020 12: 02
              +3
              ideology is also an important part and no one argues with that. but this is also necessary.
            2. Alf
              Alf 11 September 2020 21: 24
              +3
              Quote: ioan-e
              We are afraid of the second cold war or the third world war, well, so they began long ago!

              We are afraid of freezing the accounts of "someone" there ...
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 11 September 2020 12: 01
            +4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I'm talking about the whole chain. I know dozens of military dynasties that have been interrupted in recent years. the young officers leave.

            Unfortunately, you are right - I know this from the children of my classmates and colleagues who did not become the successors of the officer dynasties, where there are several generations of service people in the family.
    5. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 11 September 2020 11: 31
      +3
      I disagree somewhat dear. The army must fight for its homeland, respecting and adoring the exploits of its ancestors. And it's best to learn history not from textbooks, but by touching it as much as possible. Search detachments, raising the remains of warriors, helping veterans, and such, including driving and shooting. I think that many of those who travel and shoot like this at the range will think about the past war and about the military work of their grandfathers. As for the show, the army is definitely not for this. But the military-patriotic education of both the younger generation and the servicemen of the existing units is a very important issue.
    6. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 11: 32
      +1
      well, an ax is not an ax, but it would not hurt to shoot from Shuvalov howitzers, as part of the education of patriotism
    7. paul3390
      paul3390 11 September 2020 11: 52
      0
      You can't be gloomy and serious all the time, sometimes you have to drag yourself out! Even in the army ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 September 2020 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        You can't be gloomy and serious all the time, sometimes you have to drag yourself out!

        So let them drag out in normal tanks that are in service.
        I am more than sure that more effort and money was spent on organizing this show than on a couple of RTUs
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 11 September 2020 12: 40
        +3
        A baron, but he's right!
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 11 September 2020 14: 26
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          A baron, but he's right!

          In Russia I picked up ...
    8. Serg65
      Serg65 11 September 2020 11: 59
      -6
      Quote: Spade
      Show is not an army task.

      At this moment in time, this is one of the most important tasks of the army! And this task is that the youth would rush to the army, and not hide in the bushes after receiving the summons!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 September 2020 12: 08
        +9
        Quote: Serg65
        And this task is that the youth would rush to the army

        laughing
        Personally, I would rather have repaired military enlistment offices
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 September 2020 12: 18
          -8
          Quote: Spade
          Personally, I would rather have repaired military enlistment offices

          One does not interfere! wink Although you need to ask the military commissar the same !!!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 September 2020 12: 24
            +4
            Quote: Serg65
            One does not interfere!

            Apparently interferes. Otherwise, why is this particular military registration and enlistment office for the second year already fenced off with an "emergency tape" so that falling bricks and plaster would not kill passers-by?

            Quote: Serg65
            Although you need to ask the military commissar the same !!!

            What to "ask him"? Why didn't you give the personnel to the hucksters for work in order to get money for repairs?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 11 September 2020 12: 35
              -3
              Quote: Spade
              What to "ask him"?

              Have you applied for repairs?
              If you did, why didn't you get the start of the repair and the allocation of money for it?
              If so, where is the repair?
              Did he apply, and did he achieve?
              Lopatov, you served in the acting office, and did not wipe the parquet on the Arbat, should I explain to you how this is done when you have a desire?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 11 September 2020 12: 41
                +3
                Quote: Serg65
                Have you applied for repairs?

                Of course not, he is more comfortable in a crumbling building. By the way, a hospital nearby is in even worse condition.

                Quote: Serg65
                Lopatov, you served in the acting office, and did not wipe the parquet on the Arbat, should I explain to you how this is done when you have a desire?

                I know how it's done. And I know that this is a criminal offense.
                And they write applications only to cover their ass when something collapses and a couple of conscripts are crushed to death.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 11 September 2020 13: 05
                  -6
                  Quote: Spade
                  I know how it's done. And I know that this is a criminal offense.

                  Of course, the initiative is punishable, but no one canceled it either! The military commissar has a regional military commissar, the head of the mob department, the NGSH, and if the latter does not scratch his butt, then really a question for Shoigu .... Comrade. General of the Army, and General of the Army Gerasimov is doing everything right in terms of replenishing the army with a conscript contingent? And what is it with the military registration and enlistment office in the city of Nske, bricks falling cats scare away ??
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 September 2020 14: 48
          +1
          For one and the traffic lights were leveled.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 September 2020 15: 23
            +2
            These are the features of gluing photos on Google maps .. So the traffic lights are even.
        3. Alf
          Alf 11 September 2020 21: 26
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Serg65
          And this task is that the youth would rush to the army

          laughing
          Personally, I would rather have repaired military enlistment offices

          At one time, the great Henry Ford said, “I want to become famous for my cars, and not for the bodies in which they are made.
    9. Glory1974
      Glory1974 11 September 2020 12: 00
      +2
      It is necessary to conduct practical exercises with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense on the use of a stone ax To "feel continuity"

      The Chinese practice sending high-level commanders to the troops at lower positions so that they themselves carry out their directives.
      In this context, I consider it necessary to send our leaders to the troops, so that they try to fight on the equipment they ordered, and train them on BMPs, armored personnel carriers, and shoot from tanks.
      Well, the show takes place, but within reasonable limits. As General Yevkurov said when he was deputy commander of the district, even before he became the head of Ingushetia: "We do not need show-off, but there should be an element of showing."
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 11 September 2020 18: 07
        0
        "As General Yevkurov said when he was deputy commander of the district ..."
        For some reason, it seems that his last position in the army before the presidency was called "deputy chief of the district intelligence", no? And, accordingly, he was not a general then.
      2. Alf
        Alf 11 September 2020 21: 31
        0
        Quote: glory1974
        The Chinese practice sending high-level commanders to the troops at lower positions so that they themselves carry out their directives.

        As Peter the Great used to say, so that the boss's nonsense was visible. laughing
    10. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 11 September 2020 12: 35
      +2
      And what, the Angles, for example, have special units in the structure of the armed forces that are exclusively engaged in maintaining historical technology in working order and demonstrating it. Take the Battle of Britain Memorial Squadron. This is not to mention the fact that in the West, with the preservation of the material heritage of the past, everything is much better than ours.
      So why not create some kind of memorial tank company - at least in the structure of the museum in Kubinka? The money is small on a national scale.
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 September 2020 21: 36
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Take the Battle of Britain Memorial Squadron.

        Especially when you consider that it is the Spitfire flight that opens the air parade in Britain. And in the states, how many restored planes are constantly flying at all sorts of air shows. And their boys look at them and say, How to grow up, I'll go to the Air Force.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 11 September 2020 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Especially when you consider that it is the Spitfire flight that opens the air parade in Britain. And in the states, how many restored planes are constantly flying at all sorts of air shows. And their boys look at them and say, How to grow up, I'll go to the Air Force.

          On British television about every 2 hours on almost all channels show commercials like "Join the ranks of Osoviachim Great Britain!"
    11. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 September 2020 13: 27
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Show is not an army task. This is for theater, circus, stage. Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.

      Do you offer artists to control and shoot military equipment? Boldly.
      A military man is still a man, not an automatic loader.
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 September 2020 21: 37
        +1
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Do you offer artists to control and shoot military equipment? Boldly.

        We've got one artist who has already driven a jeep, God forbid, this one will sit in the T-80.
    12. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 11 September 2020 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      It is necessary to conduct practical exercises with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense on the use of a stone ax To "feel continuity"

      Dear this is called hand-to-hand combat with the use of edged weapons. Imagine and this is taught, especially the specialists
      Quote: Spade
      The army must either fight or prepare for war, training hard

      Why don't you teach? try to fire without things like laser rangefinders and others. There, graduates of naval schools generally go to the ocean on sailing ships
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 11 September 2020 19: 58
        0
        Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
        try to fire without things like laser rangefinders and others.

        They tried to carry out the mattresses in their Navy only in the "electronic" version - it turned out badly, very badly. yes
    13. halpat
      halpat 11 September 2020 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Thresh ...
      It is necessary to conduct practical exercises with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense on the use of a stone ax To "feel continuity"

      The army must either fight or prepare for war, training hard.
      Show is not an army task. This is for theater, circus, stage. Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.

      propose to put Mikhail Efremov at the levers?
    14. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 11 September 2020 19: 56
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.

      How long have we not been shooting from "Kulatskiye Obrezov" (M-30)? wink
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 September 2020 11: 18
        0
        Quote: Paranoid50
        How long have we not been shooting from "Kulatskiye Obrezov" (M-30)?

        This is a substitute. For such training, at one time, even rifles were used. Then they replaced with machine guns, now they are replacing with laser "pointers"
    15. Alf
      Alf 11 September 2020 21: 21
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Show is not an army task. This is for theater, circus, stage. Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.

      Tell that to NATO military propagandists ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 September 2020 11: 19
        0
        Quote: Alf
        Tell that to NATO military propagandists ..

        Is Russia really a NATO member?
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 September 2020 11: 24
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Alf
          Tell that to NATO military propagandists ..

          Is Russia really a NATO member?

          Do not wag on the topic. See how the German army conducts tours of Munster for children and how the US army advertises itself to young people.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 September 2020 11: 31
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Do not wag on the topic. See how the German army conducts tours of Munster for children and how the US army advertises itself to young people.

            I don't care what this gynecologist has thought about.

            Tankers must be trained properly. There is a combat training program. It must be fulfilled.
            If, instead, the personnel are doing something unknown: digging potatoes, painting curbs, shooting from T-34s, this is an emergency.

            The combat training program is designed for a year. The term of conscription service is also a year. That is, they simply will not learn what they have missed.
            If they are now, instead of learning, toil about foolishness, then why, damn it, were they even called?
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 12 September 2020 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Spade
              The conscription term is also a year.

              you believe. that tank crews are conscripts? repeat
            2. Alf
              Alf 12 September 2020 21: 46
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              I don't care what this gynecologist has thought about.

              Based on your phrase, Frau the gynecologist has been running the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany since the 60s, because the first excursions to Munster began even then.
    16. DrEng527
      DrEng527 12 September 2020 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Show is not an army task. This is for theater, circus, stage. Don't try to take away the bread from the artists.

      this is a patriotic education! There are no robots in the army! That is why the combat path is studied in each part ...
  4. thinker
    thinker 11 September 2020 11: 21
    +4
    Veterans do not grow old with a barrel! good
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 11: 23
    +4
    A bit of a strange event. We must have tanks, crews, shells. all these are financial and time resources.
  6. moreman78
    moreman78 11 September 2020 11: 25
    +8
    Did the army decide to engage in military-historical reconstruction? Then we are waiting in the sky - flights of IL-2 and Yak-s, and at sea - a show of sailing boats and frigates!
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 11: 33
      +7
      And why not?
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 11 September 2020 14: 29
      0
      Quote: moreman78
      at sea - a show of sailing boats and frigates!

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
    3. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 11 September 2020 16: 21
      0
      Quote: moreman78
      and at sea - a show of sailing boats and frigates!

      so it has been for a long time. graduates of sailors as an exam on sailing boats go sailing
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 September 2020 11: 30
    0
    What's next? what To prepare "Aurora" for battle and campaign, or to call 60-year-old majors for training camps?
    1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 11 September 2020 11: 51
      -3
      To prepare "Aurora" for battle and campaign, or to call 60-year-old majors for training camps?

      Exactly! The pancake survived ... Already reached the level of Africa ... There are still T-34s left ...
      ...
      Semyon Slepakov - Appeal to the people
      ...
      Everything is calculated, everything works like a clock with us:
      Wood is sold, oil is sold, gas is sold,
      Large transactions are concluded with foreigners,
      And large streams of finance flow from everywhere to us.
      The country has not seen such a rise for many years
      There is something to be proud of, there is simply no money.

      Uryakalki! Hey! Well, they quickly wrote to me about the one that has an analogue in the world and the best tank in the T-34 universe !!! laughing
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 11 September 2020 11: 53
      +3
      It has long been necessary to think about how to transport the "Aurora" to the Moscow River ... And then - zhahnut. bully
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 11 September 2020 12: 05
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        It has long been necessary to think about how to transport the "Aurora" to the Moscow River ... And then - zhahnut.

        There was such a joke:
        -Why are there even bananas in Leningrad?
        -There is "Aurora". They can shoot again.
  8. cniza
    cniza 11 September 2020 11: 36
    +4
    This allows officers and soldiers not only to feel the continuity in the tank profession from the front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War, but also to understand how, driving this tank, they won Victory


    It also shows the potential inherent in the car even before WWII, amazing ...
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  10. Al Asad
    Al Asad 11 September 2020 11: 52
    0
    Looks very cool.
    Whining in the comments amuses
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 September 2020 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Al Asad
      Whining in the comments amuses

      Will it be fun when this "education of patriotism" spills over into corpses?
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 September 2020 21: 41
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Al Asad
        Whining in the comments amuses

        Will it be fun when this "education of patriotism" spills over into corpses?

        Whose?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 12 September 2020 09: 26
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Whose?

          Most likely, in the corpses of those who have recently demonstrated the skill of shooting with TURs. And these were also the best crews.
          This is what you need to do, and not distract the personnel for show with the T-34-85. Or does the Ministry of Defense hope that since there is no TUR for the ZIS-S-53, the results will be better?
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 September 2020 11: 00
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Alf
            Whose?

            Most likely, in the corpses of those who have recently demonstrated the skill of shooting with TURs. And these were also the best crews.

            Are they going to shoot at each other? Where do the corpses come from?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 September 2020 11: 38
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Are they going to shoot at each other? Where do the corpses come from?

              "Don't wag on the topic." (from)
              They will shoot at the enemy. Try to shoot. For tankers have no experience in using TUR. Even on simulators, they also save on them. The only thing that MO does not want to save is for show and show
  11. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 11 September 2020 12: 03
    0
    Great!
    There will be someone to drive the T-34 parades! Tanks not from Laos?
    And, in the USSR, there was even a cavalry regiment in the army. For Mosfilm. NOT weak to recover?
    Credit on the day of political worker!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 11 September 2020 18: 32
      0
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Great!
      There will be someone to drive the T-34 parades! Tanks not from Laos?
      And, in the USSR, there was even a cavalry regiment in the army. For Mosfilm. NOT weak to recover?
      Credit on the day of political worker!

      I don’t remember the Day of Political Worker. Some kind of remake, go? September 11 was once the Day of BTV until it was moved to the 2nd Sunday.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 11 September 2020 18: 53
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        I don’t remember ...

        Below on "VO" is: "September 11 - Day of the specialist of educational work of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" wink
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 11 September 2020 19: 17
          -1
          Quote: Was Mammoth
          Quote: Doliva63
          I don’t remember ...

          Below on "VO" is: "September 11 - Day of the specialist of educational work of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" wink

          What do the specialists of educational work bodies have to do with political workers? I'll tell you - none. From the word "absolutely". The difference between political work and educational work, I hope, you yourself will find?
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 12 September 2020 07: 28
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            What do the specialists of educational work bodies have to do with political workers? I'll tell you - none. From the word "absolutely". The difference between political work and educational work, I hope, you yourself will find?

            What made you so excited? Personal?
            A political worker was supposed to be an educator. This is one of his responsibilities.
            Window dressing is counterproductive.
            Will every best tanker now be allowed to shoot from a T-34?
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 12 September 2020 21: 51
              0
              Personal, of course. I brought up. But then I could educate my commander, not only personnel. And the best "tankers" then asked for an extra urgent - there was a queue. And now, yes - one window dressing.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 12 September 2020 09: 32
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            What do the specialists of educational work bodies have to do with political workers? I'll tell you - none. From the word "absolutely".

            Heh heh heh ...
            Time:
            By the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin on July 30, 2018, the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was established. Concerning, The Main Directorate of educational work is reorganized into the Directorate and is part of the Main Military-Political Directorate.

            So, the specialists of the educational work bodies are employees of the Directorate of the Chief Military Administration. smile
            Two:
            The tasks of the GUVR VS include:
            organization of educational work in the Armed Forces in the interests of conducting state policy in the field of defense and security;
            organization of patriotic education of servicemen, information and explanatory work in the Armed Forces to increase the authority and prestige of military service, preserve and enhance patriotic traditions;
            organization of public and state training for military personnel and civilian personnel in the Armed Forces;
            development and implementation of effective measures to strengthen one-man management;

            So zampo - they are always zampo, no matter how their position is called.
  12. Blue fox
    Blue fox 11 September 2020 13: 04
    +7
    Once an army grew out of a funny army, and now a funny army is being turned from an army. It would be better if the military were engaged in combat training, and the T-34s were engaged in reenactors.
    1. moreman78
      moreman78 11 September 2020 14: 10
      +6
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Once an army grew out of a funny army, and now a funny army is being turned from an army. It would be better if the military were engaged in combat training, and the T-34s were engaged in reenactors.

      While our MO is having fun with temples, biathlon and reenactment, Hungarians are buying 218 new Lynx BMPs! And we are modernizing the BMP-2 and even the BMP-1! That's it ... Words are gone ...
  13. oldzek
    oldzek 11 September 2020 15: 12
    0
    But I did the first company exercise on a T-34. I look, I am nostalgic ... I envy ... eh! where is my army youth? where are my army friends?
  14. Luty
    Luty 11 September 2020 15: 16
    0
    What for ? For a show? Expensive. Even for filming it's expensive. Who are we trying to impress ???
  15. bukhach
    bukhach 11 September 2020 15: 57
    0
    A beautiful car, lovely looking. But 85mm shells are still stored where, what year, if you know, tell me what is the shelf life of the artillery ammunition, it is not eternal, is there gunpowder, cartridge case?
  16. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 11 September 2020 21: 20
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    I do not believe that in a future war we will need reserves - everything will be much faster than they will have time to announce mobilization.

    Marshal Tukhachevsky thought something like this when he proposed placing all the troops along the border in one line, without reserves.
    It's so good that his idea was not implemented ...
  17. Nadrub
    Nadrub 11 September 2020 22: 05
    -1
    Could it be ... from the Tsar Cannon?
    Just once, so that the whole world shudders :)
  18. petr.tchetyrkin
    petr.tchetyrkin 11 September 2020 23: 45
    0
    When the media and mass media of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stop bravado with T-34-85 tanks, after all, he is a phenomenon of the last year of the Second World War. and the workhorse T-34-76 and will begin to comment on films, especially the USSR, where the German tankettes of the beginning of the war copy the huge T-54 with a plywood body kit. Precisely indicate in the releases what types of T-34 tanks and in what years they fought with armored vehicles of the Wehrmacht of the III Reich / their weapons, appearance, transport and control means, crew composition /. In what years was the superiority, backwardness and equality in armament, especially the tactics of the tank units of the USSR and Germany, in particular the battle of Prokhorovka / was it a "Pyrrhic victory" for the SSR armored forces / and at the lake. Balaton. What are the advantages of both!
  19. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 12 September 2020 06: 45
    +1
    Kozma Prutkov "look at the root" ... T-34-85 is the founder of the main, and to the "heap" is the best in VO!
  20. wow
    wow 12 September 2020 14: 40
    +1
    It's not just a tank, it's a LEGEND!