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What would allow to increase pensions in Russia: reflections and suggestions

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The problem of pension provision is one of the most acute in our country. Meager pensions for people who have given forty years of work for the good of the state are the shame and pain of a great power.


The majority of Russian pensioners, regardless of their labor merit, receive approximately the same pensions in the range from 9-10 thousand to 20 thousand rubles, and many old people will envy 20 thousand pensions. But if you can still survive for 20 thousand rubles, then 10 thousand is a payment for housing and communal services and the purchase of basic food.

Naturally, in this regard, the issue of the amount of pensions remains very important for the country. As long as Russia pays such low pensions, the authorities can be pricked at any moment. But for twenty years, the Kremlin has not been able to start paying "subsistence" pensions to the bulk of pensioners. It is unlikely because he does not want, rather because of the inability to find resources that would allow these pensions to be raised to relatively decent levels. Even the scandalous increase in the retirement age does not help. We again hear statements about plans to increase pensions "at the level of inflation," and the declared inflation in our country is about 4-5% ... And when people say: well, what about 4 percent, when dairy products have risen in price by almost 15 percent over the year ; in response: so inflation is made up of the entire range of goods and services - milk has risen in price by 15%, and the SP-2 gas pipeline or the services of the lawyer Pashayev did not rise in price at all ...

Progressive taxation and reallocation of expenses


One of the most effective mechanisms for obtaining additional funds into the state budget and their subsequent allocation to pension payments can be reformatting the taxation system, simply put, the introduction of a progressive tax. When a nurse pays 15 thousand rubles in tax from 2 thousand rubles, then 2 thousand rubles for her is significant money, 24 thousand a year, you can collect a child for school. When a top manager pays 1 thousand from 130 million rubles, he lives well at a high level and for the remaining 870 thousand.

The state could well increase the taxation of the incomes of the most highly paid categories of Russians, but until recently the government has refused to introduce a progressive tax, explaining this by the allegedly unpopular nature of this measure and the risk of capital outflow. At the same time, the authorities calmly went on to implement a much more unpopular pension reform with an increase in the retirement age.



A general redistribution of budgetary expenditures, as well as expenditures of state corporations and funds, including the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, would also help to find certain funds that could be spent on indexing pensions. It is no secret that the top management of the Pension Fund of Russia receives very high salaries, the offices of the fund in many regions of the country look like palaces, although the fund is not Gazprom, it does not extract or export resources, but only manages the pension savings of Russian citizens. The question “where does the money come from” in this connection simply cannot but arise.

Solving the problem of shadow employment


But a much more serious problem is the huge scale of shadow employment. At least 20-25 million Russians officially do not work anywhere, and even more receive a "gray salary", but not because of their mischief, but because of the lack of decent jobs and the unwillingness of employers to formalize employment or pay "white" full salary.

The state, however, does not want to solve this problem; more precisely, it tries to act only by fiscal methods. As a result, such conditions have been created when the business is left with a choice: to pay uncompetitive “white” salaries and lose normal employees, or pay salaries “in an envelope”.

Many companies, especially in the provinces and especially those in the small business segment, choose the second path. Employees have no choice but to agree with such layouts, although they would gladly choose a large "white" salary with the opening prospects for approval of mortgages, loans, and so on.

But until the problem of shadow employment, in which from a quarter to half of the country's working-age population is immersed, is not resolved in the interests of the people, it will hardly be possible to talk about serious prospects for increasing the size of pensions, especially against the background of the persisting taxation scale.
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  1. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 13 September 2020 09: 55
    34
    When a nurse pays 15 thousand rubles in tax from 2 thousand rubles, then 2 thousand rubles for her is significant money, 24 thousand a year, you can collect a child for school. When a top manager pays 1 thousand from 130 million rubles, he lives well at a high level and for the remaining 870 thousand.
    And for the oligarchs, the state creates separate offshore companies so that they, poor things and 13% of their modest incomes, do not pay request
    1. snake
      snake 13 September 2020 12: 36
      +6
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      And for the oligarchs, the state creates separate offshore companies so that they, poor things and 13% of their modest incomes, do not pay

      And if God forbid, the oligarchs suffer financially because of the sanctions, then the state. the budget will help. People are good, how not to help?
      Don't forget your friends
      Do not forget about
      That only one time
      We live in the world!
      (C)
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 13 September 2020 14: 36
        20
        Pension? .. As a result of the "cannibalistic" reform, many will not have time to "boo", because they will not even live to see it. FIU is nothing more than a "pocket / feeder" for "thimblers". For the rest, it is a "black hole". "There is no money, but you are holding on ..." (C)
        1. imobile2008
          imobile2008 13 September 2020 20: 39
          +2
          Quote: lexus
          Pension? .. As a result of the "cannibalistic" reform, many will not have time to "boo", because they will not even live to see it. FIU is nothing more than a "pocket / feeder" for "thimblers". For the rest, it is a "black hole". "There is no money, but you are holding on ..." (C)

          The most interesting is where they see the shadow economy. Or they believe that billions can be raised there. I want to upset, there is no shadow economy in Russia, and if there is some kind of something, they sold the thing on Avito or else, then take a ruble there and everything will fall apart, no one will bother. And to collect this ruble, officials will be collected, billions for salary will need
          1. Edvid
            Edvid 15 September 2020 23: 30
            +1
            That's right! .. A similar situation was after the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks. Lenin said that many valuables are kept in Orthodox churches. We must take them out of there, then we'll live ... They took them, so what? It turned out that the hopes of Mr. Ulyanov were too optimistic ...
            If the government implements as it believes, "the problem of the shadow economy", it will only cause more mistakes
    2. Civil
      Civil 14 September 2020 09: 09
      0
      You need love for your people and respect. Nothing else is needed.
  2. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 13 September 2020 10: 03
    40
    Yes, if they didn’t steal as if they didn’t into themselves and didn’t take out the loot outside the cordon for everything, there would be enough for pensions, and for space, and for the navy and everything else.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 10: 30
      16
      Quite right .....
      1. ancient
        ancient 13 September 2020 10: 50
        28
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        That's right ...

        There is a simpler and more radical way to solve the pension problem, and of all the "everyday" problems for .. "laymen" wink
        Photo in the studio ..... you know ... what it is ...? I report .. this is ... as the locals say ... "Millerhof"
        wassat

        How much is "miracle2" worth voicing no I will ... suddenly there are people with .. "weak heart" ..... hi
        And how many more of these "gingerbread palaces" are scattered throughout Mother Russia? And what "shishiks" are they built on? .. All probably for the "work" "day and night" .. "awards" and .. "profit" bully
        1. GREG68
          GREG68 13 September 2020 12: 46
          11
          Yeah .... I think, for the cost of such a yard alone, an entire region in the region can live in peace for a year. And how many such palaces and estates in Russia, acquired by "backbreaking work". Looking at all this, you begin to understand and not condemn the actions of the revolutionaries back in 1917.
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 13 September 2020 13: 07
          0
          There is an easier and more radical way to solve the pension problem


          Well, of course there is :) This is how the Greeks effectively solve problems with the government, a simple and radical solution laughing

        3. Revival
          Revival 13 September 2020 14: 19
          +6
          Yes, no, everyone knows that this is a navalnovsky lie, and everything is honest and overworked, and so on.
    2. lucul
      lucul 13 September 2020 10: 47
      +8
      Yes, if they didn’t steal as if they didn’t into themselves and didn’t take out the loot outside the cordon for everything, there would be enough for pensions, and for space, and for the navy and everything else.

      For this, it is necessary that the elite be from a state-forming nation. And in Russia the elite is anyone, but not Russians. Therefore, in simple words, they are robbing a people alien to them, and taking money abroad. It is necessary to nationalize the elites - and from below, not from above, that is, there must be a social lift in order to get into the elite based on the capabilities of a person (like Savva Morozov), and not by a stupid appointment from above, to put a person who is unfit to govern, as in the 90s, (Deripaska and others. Caudle)
      For pensions - to remove all emigrants from the country, in their place will come citizens who will receive a salary, with which they will deduct money to the pension fund. And now the picture is - a bunch of migrants - and the Russians are out of work, there are no pension contributions and the pension fund is empty.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 13 September 2020 11: 17
        +2
        In the Russian Empire, for example, Russian princes, officials and others stole in the same way.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 13 September 2020 11: 31
          11
          Therefore, they paid. In 1917. This is by the way. And a topic for reflection for the nouveau riche of today ..
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 13 September 2020 14: 11
            +3
            I mean, it doesn't matter who is robbing you - John or Ivan.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 September 2020 16: 00
            -2
            In 1917 it all began with a food shortage in St. Petersburg, which was exacerbated by rumors in the crowd of liberal conspirators.
      2. Gray-haired Zinnik
        Gray-haired Zinnik 13 September 2020 11: 27
        10
        Therefore, our Foreign Ministry mumbles indistinctly about concerns. What about the children? Children - in the fiercely hated Britain of the Creature venal.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 September 2020 15: 57
        -2
        "And now the picture - a lot of migrants - and the Russians are sitting without work." Well, now there are not a lot of labor emigrants after the coronavirus and the closure of the borders, their number has significantly decreased, and our female workers will not agree to all work.
        1. Aag
          Aag 13 September 2020 18: 20
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          "And now the picture - a lot of migrants - and the Russians are sitting without work." Well, now there are not a lot of labor emigrants after the coronavirus and the closure of the borders, their number has significantly decreased, and our female workers will not agree to all work.

          Come on! Are Uzbeks instead of Chinese?
          And for the Chinese: hard workers no longer go not so much because of the "pandemic", but because their earnings for unskilled workers have grown in comparison with ours, local.
      4. Aag
        Aag 13 September 2020 18: 15
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        Yes, if they didn’t steal as if they didn’t into themselves and didn’t take out the loot outside the cordon for everything, there would be enough for pensions, and for space, and for the navy and everything else.

        For this, it is necessary that the elite be from a state-forming nation. And in Russia the elite is anyone, but not Russians. Therefore, in simple words, they are robbing a people alien to them, and taking money abroad. It is necessary to nationalize the elites - and from below, not from above, that is, there must be a social lift in order to get into the elite based on the capabilities of a person (like Savva Morozov), and not by a stupid appointment from above, to put a person who is unfit to govern, as in the 90s, (Deripaska and others. Caudle)
        For pensions - to remove all emigrants from the country, in their place will come citizens who will receive a salary, with which they will deduct money to the pension fund. And now the picture is - a bunch of migrants - and the Russians are out of work, there are no pension contributions and the pension fund is empty.

        By the way, yes. The author of the article missed this moment, the solution of the migration issue and the benefit of the Russians ... hi
      5. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 13 September 2020 23: 32
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        For this, it is necessary that the elite be from a state-forming nation. And in Russia, the elite is anyone, but not Russians

        for this it is necessary that the "elite" be the elite. the nation has nothing to do with it, we are in Russia.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 September 2020 10: 51
      30
      The article is reasonable, but .... It does not contain numbers
      And without tsifir any explanation of money issues so blah, blah, blah.
      In fact, the issue is very complex and relevant for all developed countries, not just for Russia.
      So, the most important general numbers.
      What is the budget of the pension fund?
      About 8 trillion. rub. And what is the entire budget of the Russian Federation, with regard to defense, development, healthcare, etc.? 20 trillion rub.
      How many pensioners do we have? (Is he himself)? There are 32 million in the region. Question: how many are employed? If you count with the white RFP, then no less.
      Those. the conclusion is clear: no amount of justice (already induced in 17, complete poverty has developed) can solve the problem radically.
      An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY, just like the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Citizens who have a "big mind" think that there is a lot of money in Russia, that we, they say, supply the whole world with oil and gas, are mistaken. The Russian Federation produces 10-12% of world production, and about 250 million tons are exported. Comparable with Iraq (200 million tons), Canada (200 million), etc., and the Saudis sell more, and the population in these countries is many times smaller.
      Yes, a cheap smartphone made in China costs like a ton of black gold.
      Only an increase in the production of an expensive "delicate product" will give a breakthrough in improving the well-being, including of pensioners. And, of course, no one has canceled the need for strict order in the country in the financial sector.
      1. passerby
        passerby 13 September 2020 11: 09
        10
        Quote: Alekseev
        The article is reasonable, but .... It does not contain numbers
        And without tsifir any explanation of money issues so blah, blah, blah.
        In fact, the issue is very complex and relevant for all developed countries, not just for Russia.
        So, the most important general numbers.
        What is the budget of the pension fund?
        About 8 trillion. rub. And what is the entire budget of the Russian Federation, with regard to defense, development, healthcare, etc.? 20 trillion rub.
        How many pensioners do we have? (Is he himself)? There are 32 million in the region. Question: how many are employed? If you count with the white RFP, then no less.
        Those. the conclusion is clear: no amount of justice (already induced in 17, complete poverty has developed) can solve the problem radically.
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY, just like the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Citizens who have a "big mind" think that there is a lot of money in Russia, that we, they say, supply the whole world with oil and gas, are mistaken. The Russian Federation produces 10-12% of world production, and about 250 million tons are exported. Comparable with Iraq (200 million tons), Canada (200 million), etc., and the Saudis sell more, and the population in these countries is many times smaller.
        Yes, a cheap smartphone made in China costs like a ton of black gold.
        Only an increase in the production of an expensive "delicate product" will give a breakthrough in improving the well-being, including of pensioners. And, of course, no one has canceled the need for strict order in the country in the financial sector.

        The only adequate comment.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 September 2020 18: 40
          +4
          Not the only one, but the most. hi
      2. 210ox
        210ox 13 September 2020 11: 34
        10
        So you need to invest in the production of an expensive product, find a sale. Why this smut? After all, you can cut down on simple money ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 13 September 2020 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          So you need to invest in the production of an expensive product, find a sale. Why this smut? After all, you can cut down on simple money ...

          Stick to the budget. Take on the repair of a school or the construction of sewage treatment plants. Start construction, repair, take a bunch of subcontractors, cover up your tracks, steal money and joyfully scratch your tummy.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 September 2020 18: 43
            0
            Quote: 30 vis
            Stick to the budget
            An example in the topic.
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 13 September 2020 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        Only an increase in the production of an expensive "delicate product" will give a breakthrough in improving the well-being, including of pensioners. And, of course, no one has canceled the need for strict order in the country in the financial sector.

        Well said. There is nothing to add. hi
      4. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 13 September 2020 12: 31
        +9
        Figures ... Mom is a pensioner. All my life at school. The pension is a little over 10 thousand. It helps that I have moved to live in the countryside. Well, and I, of course, than I can ..
        Only now the "numbers" are no longer enough ...
      5. V1er
        V1er 13 September 2020 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: Alekseev
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY, just like the classics of Marxism-Leninism.

        The problem is not in labor productivity, but in carving up the fruits of that productivity. We have what kind of work we need, the most productive, look at the villas of the rich. First you need to solve the difference between the salaries of a manager or a business owner and his ordinary employee. I will not say anything about the tax system and bureaucracy.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 September 2020 18: 46
          +3
          Quote: V1er
          The problem is not in labor productivity, but in carving up the fruits of that productivity.

          Well laid out in this video. hi
      6. Revival
        Revival 13 September 2020 14: 27
        +4
        All these reflections do not negate the fact that in this situation, fair distribution would improve the situation.
        The state does not have the right to have aligarhs in the presence of a poor people ..
        They cannot do it worthily for everyone, it is good for objective reasons, then let them themselves drive not on aurus and Maybachs, but on the Volga.
        Why is the government on expensive cars, when the people are poor, then maybach and bmw are not according to the rank then, since for "objective" reasons Russia does not have money for large pensions, then for the same reasons it does not have money for, for example, expensive auto for power.
        It is only then that you can start talking about "objective reasons" and in general
      7. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 September 2020 16: 14
        0
        In short, in order to bring the minimum pension in Russia to 25000 every year in the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation it is necessary to put at least 7 trillion rubles to the already existing income, the task is quite difficult given that we have the entire budget of 20 trillion rubles, such money cannot be taken out of thin air, it is necessary that If tax revenues would at least double, and this would require the economy to at least double, but given the current realities, this will not happen for the next 15 years. The estimated cost of the depreciation of all fixed assets in Russia is 89 trillion rubles - and here another 7 trillion pensioners need issue every year.
      8. lucul
        lucul 13 September 2020 18: 09
        +8
        Those. the conclusion is clear: no amount of justice (already induced in 17, complete poverty has developed) can solve the problem radically.
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY, just like the classics of Marxism-Leninism.

        Oh my God .....
        From Russia, the elite, annually exported abroad under $ 100 billion, well, you will raise labor productivity three times, they will send abroad not $ 100 billion a year, but all $ 500 billion a year.
        What will fundamentally change then? ))))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 September 2020 19: 40
          -1
          "Annually exported abroad under $ 100 billion" - Did you come up with this amount yourself?
      9. Aag
        Aag 13 September 2020 18: 28
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        The article is reasonable, but .... It does not contain numbers
        And without tsifir any explanation of money issues so blah, blah, blah.
        In fact, the issue is very complex and relevant for all developed countries, not just for Russia.
        So, the most important general numbers.
        What is the budget of the pension fund?
        About 8 trillion. rub. And what is the entire budget of the Russian Federation, with regard to defense, development, healthcare, etc.? 20 trillion rub.
        How many pensioners do we have? (Is he himself)? There are 32 million in the region. Question: how many are employed? If you count with the white RFP, then no less.
        Those. the conclusion is clear: no amount of justice (already induced in 17, complete poverty has developed) can solve the problem radically.
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY, just like the classics of Marxism-Leninism. Citizens who have a "big mind" think that there is a lot of money in Russia, that we, they say, supply the whole world with oil and gas, are mistaken. The Russian Federation produces 10-12% of world production, and about 250 million tons are exported. Comparable with Iraq (200 million tons), Canada (200 million), etc., and the Saudis sell more, and the population in these countries is many times smaller.
        Yes, a cheap smartphone made in China costs like a ton of black gold.
        Only an increase in the production of an expensive "delicate product" will give a breakthrough in improving the well-being, including of pensioners. And, of course, no one has canceled the need for strict order in the country in the financial sector.

        To your piggy bank of figures: (announced by Vesti FM) - "the debt of Russians to banks on various types of loans has reached a record 3,7 trillion (!) Rubles." ... I admit, for the most part, are irresponsible people themselves, but nevertheless ..What's next? Housing, kidneys will be withdrawn? We are not the USA with a printing press ... (((
      10. WIKI
        WIKI 13 September 2020 19: 15
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. increase in LABOR PRODUCTIVITY

        You regret that there is a larger population per unit of oil sold in Russia than in other countries. This is not the point at all. The reason is that the share of the state in the economy is 60-70%. Now let's look at efficiency. Lukoil had a performance in 2018 of 78 million rubles per person, Novatek 4, Rosneft 60,74, Gazprom 26,75 million rubles per person. That's where the money is for the people. But this option does not fit into the existing system of power.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 September 2020 19: 49
          -1
          "The reason is that the state's share in the economy is 60-70%. Now let's look at efficiency" - You don't want 30 percent of the chili
          Lukoil had a performance in 2018 of 78 million rubles per person, Novatek 4, Rosneft 60,74, Gazprom 26,75 million rubles per person. That's where the money is for the people. What is this for the money and why did you count these amounts - from the net profit of these companies, such funds will definitely not work, and the net profit itself will need to be divided for numerous shareholders in the form of dividends - the rest will be poured into the further development of companies so that your "That's where the money is for the people, "to put it mildly, half of them will not get enough of the funds that are necessary to increase the pension twice. You should finish any jaundice to read and listen to any jaundice experts.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 13 September 2020 20: 12
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            "The reason is that the state's share in the economy is 60-70%. Now let's look at efficiency" - You don't want 30 percent of the chili
            "The share of the state in the economy at the end of 2018 remained at the last year's level - over 60-70%, according to the annual report of the Federal Antimonopoly Service."
            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3961250
            Quote: Vadim237
            What is this for the money and why did you count these amounts

            Labor productivity in the TOP-100 of the largest industrial companies in Russia by revenue: http://www.up-pro.ru/library/production_management/productivity/vyruchka-2019.html
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 14 September 2020 13: 36
              +2
              Quote: WIKI
              Productivity

              thanks - interesting data! hi
      11. DrEng527
        DrEng527 14 September 2020 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        An increase in the production of goods and services is required, i.e. growth of LABOR PRODUCTIVITY,

        who argues ... request however, let's count - the gold reserves of the Russian Federation are 600 billion ... this is money withdrawn from the economy ... if they are used at 4% per annum - then this is 24 billion or 1800 billion rubles - an increase in pensions by 25% ...
  3. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 13 September 2020 10: 05
    16
    "It would allow"
    but it won't. This is all someone else's money. Nobody will allow them to be taken away from them. What Putin has repeatedly said - no, no, no ...

    And it is so convenient to rob pensioners ... here is the PR, and the frozen savings account, and ridiculous interest on pension deposits, and the financing of the Pension Fund of unprofitable projects, which they frankly boasted about 10 years ago ...

    There is no chance. For the authorities, the location of an oligarch is more expensive than "drinking a hundred million" of pensioners
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 September 2020 11: 35
      +4
      The location of the oligarchs? !!! Yes, this is POWER. And they decide.
      1. dauria
        dauria 13 September 2020 14: 00
        +3
        The location of the oligarchs? !!! Yes, this is POWER. And they decide.


        But, but !!! These are the most honest people. The mind, honor and conscience of our era. "The moral code of the builder of communism" is read before bedtime. Wait at least until the generation changes, the "old men" on both sides of the barricades will die out. Actually, this is why they keep Putin. wink And in a new way - to build a bright future.
        So, in the meantime ... Socialism return? Is it worth it ... After all, in the end, the same communists will come.

        Putin V.V., member of the CPSU since 1975.
        Matvienko V.I., member of the CPSU since 1972 of the year.
        Naryshkin S.I., member of the CPSU since 1976 of the year.
        Medvedev D.A., member of the CPSU since 1986 of the year
        Ivanov SB, member of the CPSU since 1973 of the year.
        Shoigu S.K., member of the CPSU since 1979 of the year.
        Lavrov S.V., member of the CPSU since 1972.
        Sobyanin S.S., member of the CPSU since 1986 of the year.
        Churov V.E., member of the CPSU since 1982 of the year.
        Fradkov M.E., member of the CPSU since 1972 of the year.
        Poltavchenko G.S., member of the CPSU since 1975 of the year.
        Bortnikov A.V., member of the CPSU since 1975.
        Stepashin S.V., member of the CPSU since 1973 of the year.
        Chaika Yu.Ya, member of the CPSU since 1976 of the year.
        Gryzlov B.V., member of the CPSU since 1971 of the year.
        Astakhov P.A., member of the CPSU since 1985.
        Sechin I.I., member of the CPSU since 1990.
        Chubais A.B., member of the CPSU since 1980.
        Kolokoltsev V.A., member of the CPSU since 1982.
        Ulyukaev A.V., member of the CPSU since 1983.
        Siluanov A.G., member of the CPSU since 1989.
        Volodin V.V., member of the CPSU since 1985.
        Surkov V.Yu., member of the CPSU since 1985.
        Golikova T.A., member of the CPSU since 1986.
        Zorkin V.D., member of the CPSU since 1970.
        Lebedev V.M., member of the CPSU since 1968.
        Tuleyev A.G., member of the CPSU since 1968 of the year.
        Zubkov V.A., member of the CPSU since 1967 of the year.
        1. Unknown
          Unknown 13 September 2020 15: 50
          +3
          they are not communists, in the exact sense of the word. careerists and shape-shifters who never had any honor, no conscience. That was how they cleansed the country in 1937 and later.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 13 September 2020 10: 06
    +8
    The state could well increase the taxation of income of the highest paid categories of Russians
    .... The state, the problem with the export of capital has not been able to solve for so many years, but here a progressive tax is introduced ...
    1. Rostislav
      Rostislav 14 September 2020 11: 51
      0
      Why did they decide that they couldn't? Primakov, there was a case, I managed it in a year, and GDP grew by 14% per year.
      So, they do not "cannot", but "do not want".
  5. RUnnm
    RUnnm 13 September 2020 10: 08
    13
    To be honest, I did not see any clear plan in the article. The differentiated personal income tax rate in your country was previously applied in the country. And if we talk on this topic, then we must first calculate in proportion to the decile coefficient. That is, conditionally, if 5% of the highest paid receive 30% of total income, then they must pay gross personal income tax in proportion. And this position is fundamentally wrong - not the rich should receive less, but the poor more!
    The withdrawal of income into the shadows becomes more and more complicated, here the author is still mistaken. With the development of information technologies, information bases, the closure of gray schemes is becoming easier. Further. Do not forget that personal income tax has nothing to do with the expenses of the PFR. Only through secondary distribution in the form of subventions.
    And the business does not withdraw its income through the payroll, it has been not profitable for several years now, including interest on foreign currency loans of non-residents and payment of dividends. The amounts are displayed through the garbage company. And you can put at least 99% of personal income tax, but the main income will pass by the payroll. And the official income of Sechin and Miller will be taken out of the blow - instead of premiums, they will be given the right to buy back shares at a low price, for example. What is already being done, by the way. Or they will receive compensation from the budget, as they are now receiving under the pretext of being under sanctions.
    Understand that cosmetic changes that do not affect the basis of the distribution system, the secondary distribution of income and the very socio-ecological sensations in society will not change anything. It is necessary to change either the very principle of socio-economic relations in society, or, at least move to a mixed pension system, where employees will choose a system for themselves - a funded or solidarity
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 13 September 2020 10: 40
      13
      employees will choose a system for themselves - accumulative or solidarity
      Are other options not being considered? Why is it impossible to pay pensions from the budget or from interest on the profits of enterprises? The company pays interest to the pension fund, and pensions are paid from it. The solidarity system is programmed for the poverty of pensioners. Accumulative non-cash due to inflation. As long as you save up, money will be worthless. The rise to the inflation rate is the programmed rate to poverty. Today, all salaries have been reduced to one or two minimum wages. Three minimum wages for machine operators. Pensions are limited to one or two minimum wages. The rise in prices is not limited by anything! Whether food, even fuel, or utilities. Therefore, there will be no improvement in the life of pensioners. The program is not designed for this!
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 13 September 2020 10: 52
        +3
        You have now, in principle, described the current pension system. You just offered to redistribute the taxes of state-owned companies. Well, they start making contributions not to the country's budget, but to the PFR budget. Then, accordingly, a hole appears in the budget - for education, defense, medicine ... you must agree, this will not solve the problem in principle, but only from pensions, transfer it, conditionally, to medicine, for example.
        And do not forget that today the incomes of state-owned companies can be high, and tomorrow they can be equal to 0, and how then can we pay pensions in general?
        There is another interesting example - the Singapore system with a single fund, built by Lee Kwang Yew, but there is also a minus - it starts to malfunction with negative demographics, which we, in principle, observe.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 13 September 2020 11: 56
        +3
        Another thing is not clear - a person receives part of the money earned from his labor as a salary. And not a very large part. From her - pays taxes, including the pension. But the lion's share of the earned is taken by the bourgeois! Why is nothing being unfastened from this share of the value of a man-made product to the pension fund? After all, the authorities always blame that there are few types of workers, there are many pensioners, one does not cover the other .. Excluding the income of the bourgeois from this system ..
    2. ancient
      ancient 13 September 2020 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: RUnnm
      To be honest, I did not see any clear plan in the article.

      Maybe you are looking in the wrong direction ... or how "we told you to look only in the right direction"? wassat
      Just for example: Russian taxpayers:

      "........— In 2018, the volume of investments will amount to 1 trillion 280 billion, and in 2019 - 1 trillion 400 billion. - Alexey Miller, the company's chairman of the board, spoke at the end of November at a meeting with the president. - This is the supply of gas to China via the eastern route, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, the development of the Chayandinskoye field, the construction of the Amur gas processing plant, the commissioning of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline at the end of 2019 and the creation of gas transmission facilities in the northern corridor, in the north west of Russia for the withdrawal of gas from Yamal for consumers in the Russian Federation and for export supplies via Nord Stream. "

      As representatives of "Gazprom" say all the time, if you pay more to the state, there will not be enough money for all these large-scale construction projects (well, for corporate events with bonuses, but this is not said).
      And 25 years - this is the age when "to gas and rush to where dreams come true" (the slogan of "Gazprom"), and you can still listen to Sting's songs. performed in the State Kremlin Palace, in honor of the anniversary of the "national heritage" wassat
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 13 September 2020 11: 20
        +4
        Explain, please, what exactly you wanted to say? What is the need to cut investment programs? Partly, yes, it should. But you must admit, examples with concerts, corporate parties and - these are such trifles about which it is simply ridiculous to talk. All right, you would still talk about Shtokman, otherwise you can give examples of real investment projects. By the way, this figure also includes amounts for Gazprom's programs for children and for gasification of the country. Understand, yes, putting things in order in investment projects and financial discipline is necessary for Gazprom, but this company does not completely withdraw money. You have a somewhat superficial understanding of the processes. Due to ignorance, I think. It's not scary, because every pro in his own question. If you are wondering what the real fault of Gazprom is (although this is far from Gazprom's idea), then look, for example, how the SHM was formed, due to what, who are the beneficiaries, and then draw your own conclusions ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 13 September 2020 20: 30
          0
          Quote: RUnnm
          Gazprom for children and gasification of the country.

          I read and .. straight .. "cried" from ... emotion wassat
          Are you talking about .. "national heritage" will sound lol
          How much now .. "sell" gas .. "to the Chinese brothers" ... do not want to voice it .... and how much more do you want .. "bury" (or rather .. "distribute" between .. "your contractors") money allocated from the budget for projects like .. "New Vasyuki"? bully
          Quote: RUnnm
          You have a somewhat superficial understanding of the processes. Due to ignorance, I think.

          I have a normal understanding of the processes .... the salary of "friends know2? And their confidants? ... What else to" rant "about? wink
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 September 2020 16: 22
        +1
        You don't look at the revenue - you look at the net profit of companies, and even then these companies should pay part of this net profit to numerous shareholders in the form of dividends.
        1. ancient
          ancient 13 September 2020 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          you look at the net profit of companies and even then these companies should pay part of this net profit to numerous shareholders in the form of dividends.

          Are you kidding me? .. Ie. You don’t want to give your "trough" ...? wassat
          Gazprom ended the third quarter of the year with a loss of 9,2 billion rubles (according to RAS).
          It is interesting that despite such deplorable financial results, top managers received a good remuneration - 2,1 billion rubles.
          What ... was not enough ... for palaces-zavotdy-newspapers-steamers? bully
    3. passerby
      passerby 13 September 2020 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: RUnnm
      To be honest, I did not see any clear plan in the article. The differentiated personal income tax rate in your country was previously applied in the country. And if we talk on this topic, then we must first calculate in proportion to the decile coefficient. That is, conditionally, if 5% of the highest paid receive 30% of total income, then they must pay gross personal income tax in proportion. And this position is fundamentally wrong - not the rich should receive less, but the poor more!
      The withdrawal of income into the shadows becomes more and more complicated, here the author is still mistaken. With the development of information technologies, information bases, the closure of gray schemes is becoming easier. Further. Do not forget that personal income tax has nothing to do with the expenses of the PFR. Only through secondary distribution in the form of subventions.
      And the business does not withdraw its income through the payroll, it has been not profitable for several years now, including interest on foreign currency loans of non-residents and payment of dividends. The amounts are displayed through the garbage company. And you can put at least 99% of personal income tax, but the main income will pass by the payroll. And the official income of Sechin and Miller will be taken out of the blow - instead of premiums, they will be given the right to buy back shares at a low price, for example. What is already being done, by the way. Or they will receive compensation from the budget, as they are now receiving under the pretext of being under sanctions.
      Understand that cosmetic changes that do not affect the basis of the distribution system, the secondary distribution of income and the very socio-ecological sensations in society will not change anything. It is necessary to change either the very principle of socio-economic relations in society, or, at least move to a mixed pension system, where employees will choose a system for themselves - a funded or solidarity


      Another intelligible and adequate comment
    4. vitmih
      vitmih 13 September 2020 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: RUnnm
      where employees will choose a system for themselves - accumulative or solidarity

      And, most importantly, the employees themselves pay into the pension fund. And income tax too.
      Receives ALL the money earned in his hands, and then goes to the authorities, gives the beloved state money from his pocket, in the truest sense of the word, without any tax agents !!!
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 13 September 2020 11: 50
      +5
      That is why even Bonaparte said that taxes should be taken indirectly .. For direct taxes will still be dodged like the devil from incense, and resources comparable to those collected will be spent on the fight against this. But money will not be buried like a treasure, but will they buy something with it? And from this - and it is necessary to tear taxes. You can hide a Bentley or a Maybach, like a new yacht or a fur store on Rublevka. In general, there was such an ancient Chinese treatise, "On the management of salt and iron." It said that taxes should not be collected at all, but that it was necessary to establish a state monopoly on basic goods. And by setting prices for them - to receive the necessary funds ...
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 13 September 2020 11: 56
        +9
        Yes, the issue is not at all about tax collection. There is a sea of ​​money in the country! The question is in the method and direction of their redistribution. Well, you collect taxes from all Maybachs, fur storages, and then what? In exactly the same way, they return to the pockets of these people through corruption schemes. Moreover, they will not just return, but also with a huge plus.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 13 September 2020 11: 59
          +4
          This is the second part of the Marlezon Ballet. So far, we were talking like about what type of taxes do not cover pension payments? But in general - the question is solved only by the return of socialism. When social obligations, including pensions, are provided by the entire aggregate power of the economy of a socialist state. Then - sure enough for everyone ..
          1. vitmih
            vitmih 13 September 2020 12: 10
            -2
            Then - sure enough for everyone ..

            Do not recall the period in the history of some socialist state, when everything was enough for everyone?
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 13 September 2020 12: 20
              +1
              All will be enough only under communism .. So the question, to put it mildly, is not very clever.
              1. vitmih
                vitmih 13 September 2020 12: 31
                +1
                And how stupid it is to assert that under socialism "there is definitely enough for everyone" ...
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  6. eleronn
    eleronn 13 September 2020 10: 12
    +9
    The Russian authorities are simply swollen from impunity! They understand perfectly well that they are protected from elections (from the people) by pocket election commissions and the National Guard with the police, and therefore they do whatever they want. Well, and how and for whom the courts work - you are already well informed.
  7. adler87
    adler87 13 September 2020 10: 16
    16
    If the state wanted to solve the problem of the low level of pensions, it would have solved it long ago.
    1. tatra
      tatra 13 September 2020 10: 48
      -3
      Putin is a man with the classic mentality of the enemies of the communists, who for 30 years cowardly blamed on the communists the responsibility for the seizure, dismemberment of the USSR, and for everything that they did to the country and the people after the seizure. And speaking in 2009, when he still had trillions of free money from high world gas and oil prices. in the State Duma, admitted that there are still pensions in Russia of 1950 rubles (which is 15 Soviet rubles), and immediately blamed it on "the heavy legacy of socialism." So this Yeltsin-Putin regime, imposed by the enemies of the communists on Russia and its people, cannot, and does not want to give people normal pensions.
    2. krops777
      krops777 13 September 2020 10: 56
      +3
      If the state wanted to solve the problem of the low level of pensions, it would have solved it long ago.


      You are absolutely right, if a common man in the street understands how to solve a problem, then specialists and pundits do not want or do not allow to do it.
      1. adler87
        adler87 14 September 2020 10: 41
        0
        In view of the fact that specialists, pundits and others like them have solved the problem with pensions in a cardinal way (see, for example, the pension of deputies, etc.), then naturally they will solve the problem with pensions for simple
        hard workers can not, well, they do not need it.
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 September 2020 10: 19
    +6
    Our oligarchs are equally afraid of socialism and classical capitalism. Pensioners will not feel safe until there is a dictatorship of those who work. Now we have the dictatorship of the oligarchy.
  9. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 13 September 2020 10: 46
    +4
    About nothing. The author, do you even know how much interest is paid to the pension fund? Taking into account the size of the subsidies, I think that it is necessary to put workers on a salary and pay these salaries from the budget, as well as all expenses for the maintenance of the fund. Then at least there will be some transparency. Ordinary employees receive pennies and therefore do not want to strain especially, and managers are already sawing money, they work unnecessarily. And Tokha Drozdov should not have been sent to the government, but to jail, I hope he will be there with his talents.
  10. Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 September 2020 10: 50
    +2
    What would allow to increase pensions in Russia: reflections and suggestions

    An increase in the number of officially employed people.
    And for this, it is necessary to create conditions so that people want to have more than 2 children in a family and receive enough for their work so that they can honestly pay taxes.
    But we have the opposite. The population is shrinking, and everyone is pinched by taxes.
  11. apro
    apro 13 September 2020 11: 07
    +1
    I especially liked about shadow employment. The state by all means pushes workers out of official organizations. Private enterprises conduct double-entry bookkeeping and practice white and black salaries, and this is like in the order of things.
    The official minimum is below the subsistence level and this is considered normal.
    And then what is the pension? After a series of reforms. The trust in this system is extremely negative. But there are no other financial instruments to ensure old age. Or inflation will gobble up or the government ...
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 13 September 2020 11: 07
    +1
    There are not many countries in which pension provision meets the wishes of citizens.
    Basically, the authorities sleep away from society, Schaub does not bring the situation to a social explosion.
  13. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 13 September 2020 11: 17
    0
    While Putin is in power, there will be no normal pension !!! A person (Putin) for whom the interests of the state are MUCH more important than the level of welfare of citizens will always spend money primarily on the state as a social institution, and only then, if left, on improving the welfare of citizens of this state. So we are waiting for either Putin's departure or a change in his attitude towards the citizens of the Russian Federation ... this applies to those who will survive)))
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 13 September 2020 11: 43
      12
      What has Putin to do with it? He simply expresses the interests of the ruling class - the big bourgeoisie. And any of her other protégés would be no better. The system needs to be changed, not the personalities ..
    2. Revival
      Revival 13 September 2020 14: 37
      +1
      And the state, as it seems to me, is a narrow circle of friends, and then everything is clear
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 September 2020 16: 28
      +2
      And after Putin, do not expect good pensions, since they need a lot of money, namely tax revenues out of thin air, they will not be drawn by themselves.
    4. Aag
      Aag 13 September 2020 18: 48
      0
      "While Putin is in power, there will be no normal pension !!!"
      The surname, the person will change - will something change?
      "A person (Putin) for whom the interests of the state are MUCH more important than the level of well-being of citizens ..."
      If it were even so .... (((
  14. Old partisan
    Old partisan 13 September 2020 11: 56
    -1
    Mr. Polonsky's article is essentially a bullshit, sorry for the expression. The government, etc., thinks in the same way.
    The only solution is industry, any heavy medium can be partially light and of course mining only in the hands of the state. No private traders. Profits must go to the development of the country. Minimal sale of resources abroad. Russia is above all. Don't give a damn about henchmen families.
    You need to understand one thing about trading - only empty money. By buying abroad we sponsor their economy and their retirees. And ours, as usual, are in poverty.
    And then there are effective managers!
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 13 September 2020 12: 04
      +3
      They forgot the vodka .. For from time immemorial, from our first tsars - vodka has always been a monopoly of the state .. And only the noneshnye clever people decided to give it to private traders for feijoa. No - it's understandable to feijoa, of course - to carry such a piece past your mouth, but the state from this - only losses. As with the privatization of most other industries. In my life, I don’t believe that, for example, oil - bourgeois hucksters pump somehow especially efficiently than the state did.
      1. tatra
        tatra 13 September 2020 12: 43
        -1
        Namely, after the introduction of the wine monopoly by Witte, revenues from it began to account for up to a third of the Republic of Ingushetia's budget, in the USSR they accounted for 10-15% of budget revenues.
      2. Revival
        Revival 13 September 2020 14: 40
        +1
        There will be a state, there will be pensions
    2. Aag
      Aag 13 September 2020 18: 52
      0
      "By buying abroad we sponsor their economies and their retirees."
      Perhaps I will upset you: even SELLING abroad we (the Russian Federation) partly sponsor their economies, etc. (((
  15. U-58
    U-58 13 September 2020 11: 57
    +2
    Why not remember that there were no pension funds in the Union?
    But because then you would have to pay pensions from the budget.
    But the assumption is ripening that our budget is not a state piggy bank.
    More precisely, not only state.
    The funds collected there tend to meet the private needs of individual high-ranking clans and are far from in the interests of the state. What, in particular, is the already traditional support of the banking system in the next crisis? !!
    We are not talking about supporting ordinary people .. Why?
    There are some OWN rules and agreements, unknown to either a common man in the street or the prosecutor (or he knows, but is silent, because he knows that he must be silent)
    There is only one conclusion: the concept of "state", as an integral organism, has long been blurred, because at the top for a long time (the liberal era of Yeltsin-Putin) believe that the state is "they".
    And the people? And the people are, citizens, now the second oil ..
    1. Aag
      Aag 13 September 2020 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: U-58
      Why not remember that there were no pension funds in the Union?
      But because then you would have to pay pensions from the budget.
      But the assumption is ripening that our budget is not a state piggy bank.
      More precisely, not only state.
      The funds collected there tend to meet the private needs of individual high-ranking clans and are far from in the interests of the state. What, in particular, is the already traditional support of the banking system in the next crisis? !!
      We are not talking about supporting ordinary people .. Why?
      There are some OWN rules and agreements, unknown to either a common man in the street or the prosecutor (or he knows, but is silent, because he knows that he must be silent)
      There is only one conclusion: the concept of "state", as an integral organism, has long been blurred, because at the top for a long time (the liberal era of Yeltsin-Putin) believe that the state is "they".
      And the people? And the people are, citizens, now the second oil ..

      Something already no one remembers about the "missing" money of the PF. But it is not only we have lost, it has arrived from enemies, competitors!
  16. Engineer
    Engineer 13 September 2020 11: 59
    -5
    If you want to increase pensions - give foreign funds an entrance to the market.
    In its current state, the FIU is absolutely useless
    114 thousand employees versus 60 thousand in the USA
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 September 2020 16: 31
      0
      117 billion for the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, even if they do not spend anything, each of the 46 million pensioners will receive 2500 rubles a year from this - of course, this is not a lot of money.
  17. sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 13 September 2020 12: 28
    +2
    Pension legislation should be: 1) understandable and transparent 2) as stable as possible. If the state constantly changes the rules for calculating pensions, what is the point of paying in the Pension Fund? It's like playing with a sharpie.
  18. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 September 2020 12: 45
    -2
    My answer is ... am
    It is necessary to steal less at the level of Ozero Cooperative members - then the minimum pension without raising the retirement age would be at least 500 evergreen state presidents ... after all, there is everything for this ... Russia is one of the richest countries ... but not for their citizens
  19. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 September 2020 14: 07
    +1
    I read all the comments. Almost no one said why in our country pensions are charged according to different criteria. Why do some people take into account 100% of their salary when calculating their pension, while others take 50% (72,5%)?
    All of you perfectly remember the promises of the LADY about a monthly increase in pension (on average) of 1000 rubles. So what happened? Why did they add one hundred rubles and kopecks to some, and several thousand to others? And here everything is very simple. The “progressive” increase (percentage) established by the legislation presupposes just such a result. Moreover, the gap between highly paid pensioners and people with minimum pensions will grow, and the social gap will continue to widen. There is only one way out: increasing pensions by a fixed amount. In the short term, limit the indexation of pensions, which are higher than the average salary in the country. And this indexing must be carried out annually. And the amount of the increase (the amount in rubles) should be established together with the adoption of the budget.
    It makes no sense to talk about a progressive scale of taxation (PIT), a tax on the export of capital and other financial violations. Officials and other "courtiers" cannot be held accountable for the property set in their ownership, the value of which exceeds (several times) the declared income.
    It is an ordinary citizen who can be allowed around the world for a single picket or lack of a mask. And our "nouveau riches", if they are caught in something, can get off only with a slight fright. They will also hide their income. The guarantor told us clearly (after the first minute):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmwlhtLHPsY
    According to him, we must maintain the fiscal authorities only to "strip seven skins from an ordinary hard worker." And to prove that some oligarch did not pay taxes, that this property (a villa, a palace, a yacht, etc.) was not provided to him by Hottabych, the state apparatus cannot ... If you cannot - give way to those who will be able!
    The latest news about the increase in personal income tax on salaries over 5 rubles by 000% (000% instead of 2%) does not bring hopes for an improvement in the situation. The same VAT can be introduced (although in many countries it is not) and catch up to 15% with a stroke of the pen, in fact, force the buyer to pay the costs of trade. And here ... Is it possible. This is where the exported capital is located, where apartments are built, where yachts are lowered from the stocks, where they buy football clubs and other expensive toys, where children and grandchildren study, personal income tax can reach 13%. Russia is a generous soul (in attitude of the rich).
    The prospect of pension accruals and the maintenance of different FIUs should disappear in time. Digitalization involves the automatic accrual of pensions without additional staff of the pension fund employees. It is enough for the accounting department of the enterprise, which makes transfers to each employee for a personal (registered) pension contribution in a bank with 100% state participation. With the right to inherit funds from relatives. Moreover, the amount transferred by the enterprise should be the same for any employee with any salary. This remuneration for real work can vary, and in retirement everyone is equal (like in a bath, toilet and morgue)
    There are other thoughts, but who needs them?
    hi
    1. V1er
      V1er 13 September 2020 14: 15
      0
      Well, would the rich man then agree to deduct for retirement if he receives like everyone else? You write like clever things about the fact that
      It is an ordinary citizen who can be allowed around the world for a single picket or lack of a mask. And our "nouveau riches", if they are caught in something, can get off only with a slight fright.
      ... And right there you offer everyone at the enterprise to pay the same pension? Well, by God, funny. Why would the nouveau riche suddenly apologize for all their tricks and agree to this?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 September 2020 15: 44
        +3
        Quote: V1er
        You write like clever things about the fact that

        You will read and understand why the company should pay a set amount to all employees. There is no need to impose additional costs on the employer so that high-paid workers will be able to receive an increased pension sometime in the future. Pension is a state old-age benefit, should depend only on the length of service (for women + the incentive of born and educated children). And the rest of the worker accumulates for himself. You can set factors for hazard and work in hazardous conditions. It is foolish to establish a ballerina's pension at 60 (there are precedents for age too).
        The company should spend money on its own development, modernization and improvement of working conditions.
        That is why, in the end, the cleaner and the director of the enterprise (exaggerated), with equal length of service, have the right to demand an equal state old-age benefit. Only the director with his large salary will be able to cover his pension expenses to the extent of his own needs on his own, from personal savings.
        Quote: V1er
        You also propose that the deductions from all employees be the same. But again, and here the dog is buried.

        The dog is buried in the fact that the employee does not deduct contributions to the pension fund on his own and his consent to deduction is not required. This is done by the employer. And in the greatest ideal, everyone has the right to pay their own personal income tax on their own or automatically through the accounting department.
        1. V1er
          V1er 13 September 2020 17: 20
          +2
          Got your idea. Quite sane. Only a few problems remain:
          1.) Inflation. In order for the state to subsidize pension savings and not be devoured by inflation, it must manage them. The managers will be the same as in the PFR, we have no others. And how many effective officials do you know? So a state bank with a 100% guarantee will work in the same way as the PFR. Another incomprehensible structure.
          2.) You propose an absolutely logical and transparent system. There is money, here they are deducted, here they are, you can see it, you can inherit it. If they wanted to, they did it a long time ago. A transparent system, such as an individual deposit in a bank, which can be monitored. But nobody is interested in a simple transparent system. In a muddy ice-hole, the fish itself sticks to the tail.
          Therefore, they came up with all sorts of retirement points, retirement years of compulsory work and so on.
          3.) It is not profitable for the employer. Someone to deduct something. Therefore, deductions should be entirely on the shoulders of citizens, then these gray salaries and tax evasions will disappear. Well, voluntary-compulsory. On favorable terms. As an investment. Everyone should choose the age of retirement for himself, you just need to set the bar at 50 years and the opportunity to leave early due to a serious illness. Let the state use this money, guarantee its safety and inheritance. In general, I believe that happiness and well-being depends on ourselves, so relying on someone, especially those who don't care about you, is purely stupid.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 13 September 2020 17: 48
            +3
            Quote: V1er
            So a state bank with a 100% guarantee will work in the same way as the PFR.

            Except for the number of parasitic employees, palace buildings and maintenance personnel.
            Quote: V1er
            But nobody is interested in a simple transparent system.

            Under capitalism, no one is interested in this.
            Quote: V1er
            This is not beneficial to the employer.

            And he is not asked whether it is profitable or not. If you want to be the owner of an enterprise, pay money.
            Quote: V1er
            Therefore, deductions should be entirely on the shoulders of citizens

            On the shoulders of citizens can only be a funded program (additional pension), which was so successfully lost in the PFR.
            Quote: V1er
            Everyone should choose the age of retirement for themselves, you just need to set the bar at 50 years and the opportunity to leave early due to a serious illness.

            There is the experience of the USSR. Don't reinvent beggar's bicycles. It is necessary to return the death penalty, complete confiscation and removal for life from work in government positions (possibly up to the third generation)
            Quote: V1er
            Let the state use this money, guarantee its safety and inheritance.

            It is the state that should serve as the guarantor of stable (even constant) internal prices for energy resources, set tariffs and develop a tax system so that neither production nor the worker - the source and creator of all material benefits - suffer. That is why it is created.
            The Russian government has been dealing with its own problems and its own structure for decades.
            Believe me, the situation in the Kremlin has been updated from and to ... It is we who continue to poke around in garbage and dog shit, stumbling over curb stones and falling into potholes.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 14 September 2020 08: 29
          0
          Then cancel the pension altogether and let everyone live on the basis of personal savings. There will be more salary. Oh yes, after all, a person does not think in categories of 20, 30, 40 years, and for a large salary he will simply buy a more expensive car, which in our impoverished country has nowhere to go.
    2. V1er
      V1er 13 September 2020 14: 18
      +2
      I read it again, I realized where I made a mistake. You also propose that the deductions from all employees be the same. But again, and here the dog is buried. It turns out that employee X will deduct, for example, 20 thousand rubles from 100000 salaries and keep 980000 for himself, and employee Y will deduct 20 thousand from 40 thousand salaries, or what? Or from all 5 thousand? Then employee X stupidly disagrees, it won't make any sense to him.
    3. NKT
      NKT 13 September 2020 16: 08
      +1
      We also have a tax of 43%. And 13% and 30% are paid by the company for you. Those. the state receives 43% from every working citizen. He also receives VAT and income tax. As you can see, taxes are already high.

      We already passed the personal income tax differential scale in the 90s. The maximum tax there was 30%. Did they collect a lot then? Again the middle class was puffed out, and the rich quietly walked away from paying.
  20. Revival
    Revival 13 September 2020 14: 17
    +5
    "The government refuses to introduce a progressive tax, explaining this by the allegedly unpopular nature of this measure and the risk of capital outflow. At the same time, the government calmly decided to implement a much more unpopular pension reform with an increase in the retirement age."
    Conclusion!
    This is so cynically and directly in the face of people declared:
    Progressive tax is impossible, otherwise those who have a lot of money will be outraged, and they are smart and cunning, will flee abroad and we cannot do anything about it, and you slaves will not go anywhere, your indignation with the pension reform does not bother us, but what are you you can, but nothing, rub yourself and don't run away ..
  21. Esaul
    Esaul 13 September 2020 15: 26
    +2
    In Russia, taxes are already very high! Because of this, by the way, there is a huge problem with gray salaries. It is necessary not to raise taxes for the rich, but to increase the salary for the common population (then the rich will get less and the gap between them and the poor will be reduced), as well as to monitor the even distribution of wealth, pricing, etc.

    Regarding pensions, the trick is that the government has set the so-called survival period for pensioners - 21,5 years. And in our country, on average, even women after retirement at 60 do not live that long (they will have it about 18 years). If you take men (they will have this period of only 3 years after retirement at 65), then the average life span will be about 10 years. Those. the government overstates it on purpose in order to pay lower pensions. With a 10-year lifespan, pensions would then average 35. If we still optimize the PFR - automate and simplify all processes, reduce the army of workers at times, then by reducing the cost of maintaining the PFR by at least 30%, the size of the pension could be increased to 40 thousand.
    The rhetorical question is where the money of people who died earlier and did not receive their deductions go to.
  22. fa2998
    fa2998 13 September 2020 16: 06
    +2
    request request
    Quote: Kronos
    In the Russian Empire, for example, Russian princes, officials and others stole in the same way.

    Yes, they stole. But often the executioner got to them, or all the property went to the treasury, and the official (together with his relatives) was sent into exile. The same "brightest" Menshikov. And now only orders are given. The punishment is symbolic (sometimes conditionally) and property copied to wives and mother-in-law, etc. hi hi
  23. faterdom
    faterdom 13 September 2020 17: 14
    +1
    A general redistribution of budgetary expenditures, as well as expenditures of state corporations and funds, including the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, would also help to find certain funds that could be spent on indexing pensions. It is no secret that the top management of the PFR receives very high salaries,

    With the FIU, the question looks generally extremely simple. When it was created almost 20 years ago, what were the goals?
    Pension fund (and non-state pension funds) will accumulate pension contributions divided into the main and funded parts, skillfully manage them and pay pensions - the basic and insurance parts. And the budget and the Ministry of Finance will forget this issue of pensions as a bad dream, pensioners will sail the warm seas in white socks, pension funds will compete with each other for pensioners' money, offering different options for sweets and bonuses.
    What we really have as a result of all this manilovism I will not describe - and so everyone knows.
    The task of paying pensions is decided by the budget and the Ministry of Finance. And in parallel, there is an FIU, with the tasks and goals described by me above.
    And now - a question for connoisseurs: why?
    1. Aag
      Aag 13 September 2020 19: 29
      0
      Quote: faterdom
      A general redistribution of budgetary expenditures, as well as expenditures of state corporations and funds, including the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, would also help to find certain funds that could be spent on indexing pensions. It is no secret that the top management of the PFR receives very high salaries,

      With the FIU, the question looks generally extremely simple. When it was created almost 20 years ago, what were the goals?
      Pension fund (and non-state pension funds) will accumulate pension contributions divided into the main and funded parts, skillfully manage them and pay pensions - the basic and insurance parts. And the budget and the Ministry of Finance will forget this issue of pensions as a bad dream, pensioners will sail the warm seas in white socks, pension funds will compete with each other for pensioners' money, offering different options for sweets and bonuses.
      What we really have as a result of all this manilovism I will not describe - and so everyone knows.
      The task of paying pensions is decided by the budget and the Ministry of Finance. And in parallel, there is an FIU, with the tasks and goals described by me above.
      And now - a question for connoisseurs: why?

      Presumably, the question is rhetorical ...
      And here's another ... When the news flashes: "the robbers have kidnapped a pensioner of the order in the house ... medals ... an elderly man in intensive care ... or ..." there is indignation about the existence of the coves who committed this.
      When I hear something: "The scammers stole 3 (7) million rubles from the account of a pensioner ..." I am bewildered. Is it really deliberate stuffing? Somehow there was an opinion that older people prefer to store it under a mattress, and, obviously, not such amounts.
      And the "cunning" (I do not know what category these pensioners may be from), I think, will "divorce" any newly made fraudsters themselves ...
      Take a look, are there such pensioners around? (No addresses needed)))) I just want to understand - is this possible? Or is it so, - agitprom, - so that the workers are not afraid to become pensioners?
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 13 September 2020 20: 13
      0
      So I'm interested in listening to non-state pf. At 18 I signed up for this one, so far, no nikopeyka has come in normal. Although I invested a whole 1000 there in the same year. And where are those horns and hooves? And there was a Gazprom fund.
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    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 13 September 2020 20: 52
      +1
      Duc, this. Capitalism, and that will not happen further.
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  25. bandabas
    bandabas 13 September 2020 18: 39
    +1
    Ndass. My partner received an increase to his pension last month - as much as 150 rubles. Spat for a very long time.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 September 2020 19: 51
      -3
      Enough for a pack of cigarettes.
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 13 September 2020 18: 43
    0
    Maybe it's easier to transfer everyone to a percentage? The enterprise received a profit and the director received a bonus to his salary. Did not make a profit for two years, the director went to cut trees in the taiga.
    And then we now have already two pension systems work in parallel !!! One for the deputies, and the other for the people. Let the deputies receive at least a trillion from the profit, but have failed the business and please dig canals, fell trees in Siberia ..............
  27. bandabas
    bandabas 13 September 2020 19: 53
    +1
    Only the "people's representatives" have an order of magnitude higher pensions. Or more .. Wonderland.
  28. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 September 2020 20: 08
    +3
    I will write a ludicrous thought, but it will become from our optimizers-Everyone knows that in many villages schools are overrun and moved beyond the distant lands because teaching 15 people is not profitable for them. So it seems that in general, the responsibilities for teaching in such places can be completely transferred to parents - buy textbooks, laptop, net and teach yourself after work, and egesh tests will be sent to the general store by courier for money (to beat off state training, so to speak), and yes I know that the general store is a stall in the village, but I doubt that at the top they can distinguish the general store from the village council))).
    1. solzh
      solzh 13 September 2020 22: 30
      14
      Quote: evgen1221
      but I doubt that at the top they can distinguish the general store from the village council)))

      Eugene, after galoshes, you can no longer be surprised at anything and no doubt.
  29. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 September 2020 20: 11
    +1
    A vaccine against greed for our moneybags, deputies and leaders. There is no other way.
    1. solzh
      solzh 13 September 2020 22: 28
      16
      Fat bags will not allow the creation of a vaccine against greed.
  30. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 13 September 2020 20: 51
    +1
    Meager pensions for people who have given forty years of work for the good of the state are the shame and pain of a great power.

    RF - a great power? !!! RF, just a raw material appendage of Western economies, eating up the legacy of the USSR. Soon it will end and the RF will end. What reality do you live in? The USSR is a great power !!! One of the criteria is the attitude towards children and the elderly.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 September 2020 23: 43
      0
      Here the Swedes have cleaned out their old men on the quiet. And the kids were forced into schools. Not so simple.
  31. Dimonst
    Dimonst 13 September 2020 23: 19
    -3
    The article is normal. BUT .. As always, everyone counts on OIL, GAS, DIAMONDS, etc. The mentality, frankly, is rotten. Simply put - have you tried to work? I fully support the author of the article that pensions are really crazy, tk. I myself support my parents in addition to 5 children. Nevertheless, for more than one year there has been a discussion that only PRODUCTION can solve something. I say this not by hearsay, because I started it myself 20 years ago and have never regretted it. All the rest is nonsense - everything was written before us 150 years ago. request
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 14 September 2020 04: 36
      +1
      That's right, I support! It seems that the passport population is wanted and harassed for the sake of replacing migrant workers at all levels, because they are cheaper and for 20k they will work without any guarantees of security and other things, plus in smelly barracks, 15 people per room. Capitalism with a Russian flavor. The remaining survivors are offered the positions of guards and overseers, however, also for small salaries.
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan 14 September 2020 10: 59
        -1
        Why pay more if they work for less? For ZUNs, which are not?
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      1. Esaul
        Esaul 14 September 2020 21: 11
        0
        If everything continues at the same pace, then the field of labor relations will face a revolution - all workers will become self-employed and will conclude contracts with individual entrepreneurs or legal entities in order to pay only 6% tax (instead of the current 43%), and pension savings can be formed independently, Then the FIU will not be able to steal them.
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          1. Esaul
            Esaul 15 September 2020 09: 01
            0
            And so it is clear that the state will simply increase taxes for the self-employed, who wants to lose the feeding trough.
  32. O. Bender
    O. Bender 14 September 2020 07: 14
    +1
    In today's situation, it is very effective to increase the budget, and, accordingly, for the social sphere, is the introduction of a progressive scale of taxation. The more you earn, the more you pay in taxes. Emnp, such a taxation scheme was abolished with the arrival of GDP. The reasons are clear and lie on the surface. Doesn't want to. And if you ask and ask how is Zhvanetsky? How skoko? But they are sure that this cannot be. But it was.
  33. Karaul73
    Karaul73 14 September 2020 08: 14
    0
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    That's right ...

    There is a simpler and more radical way to solve the pension problem, and of all the "everyday" problems for .. "laymen" wink
    Photo in the studio ..... you know ... what it is ...? I report .. this is ... as the locals say ... "Millerhof"
    wassat

    How much is "miracle2" worth voicing no I will ... suddenly there are people with .. "weak heart" ..... hi
    And how many more of these "gingerbread palaces" are scattered throughout Mother Russia? And what "shishiks" are they built on? .. All probably for the "work" "day and night" .. "awards" and .. "profit" bully

    And why isn't this miracle still hanging on a rack? Under Peter I would have told everything long ago and handed over all the accomplices.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 14 September 2020 08: 26
      0
      Under Peter the same Menshikov stole so much that no modern oligarchs dreamed of.
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        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 14 September 2020 12: 36
          0
          Only it happened after Peter.
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  34. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 September 2020 08: 25
    +1
    It is known that you need to build buildings in cities that give + 20% to pensions.
  35. Rostislav
    Rostislav 14 September 2020 11: 07
    +1
    Where are the offers? The fact that the situation is worthless, the people do not need to retell, everyone lives on earth, not on the moon.
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  36. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 14 September 2020 11: 51
    0
    ... it will hardly be possible to speak of serious prospects for increasing the size of pensions.

    In our country, they can once again increase the retirement age, they are not capable of more.
    Well, PF builds really beautiful palaces.
  37. Andrew 40
    Andrew 40 15 September 2020 09: 18
    -1
    Nothing can increase pensions. Because the state treasury is now a pocket for a bunch of scoundrels in power.
  38. Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 September 2020 09: 40
    0
    Alas, it won't allow anything.
    Only some kind of struggle for money will allow them to be knocked out. There are at least some strikes in the west.

    And VTB and the Kremlin "optimized" all the money, now they are promising various economic changes.
    But he doesn't give money, only promises
  39. Vladimir_65
    Vladimir_65 26 September 2020 15: 46
    0
    The mere reduction of bureaucrats at all levels across the country by at least half and forcing them to work in real sectors of the economy, reducing the salaries of those remaining to the "average" in the country will free up enough funds not only for pensioners.