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A new revival of the supporters of the "Lunar Conspiracy" theory was led by NASA's proposal to deliver soil from the Moon

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The US National Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) has added, so to speak, points to the Lunar Conspiracy Theory.

This is a NASA initiative that involves using the services of private contractors to obtain samples of lunar soil. Bids from applicants are accepted until October 9 of the current year.

NASA says it intends to use the services of private companies to deliver up to 500 grams of samples of lunar materials, including lunar dust, to Earth for further laboratory research. The delivery time is also indicated until 2024. The choice, reportedly, will be made on the basis of the most acceptable combination of "low price - technical guarantees".

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Private contractors must provide rigorous proof of the ability to collect space samples, then transport them to Earth, indicating the exact location of extraction. NASA reserves the right to independently review the collection.

It is added that it can be any material: not only stones and dust, but also lunar ice.

This proposal for private contractors from NASA has revived conspiracy theorists - the theory that American astronauts have never been to the moon. Conspiracy theorists, commenting on the proposal of the US aerospace agency, say something like this:

During the declared manned flights to the Moon, NASA talked about the delivery of almost 300 kg of lunar soil to Earth. These were said to have been samples from various places, of a different nature. Why, then, did NASA need another 500 grams of lunar dust for research? Does NASA really have that many lunar samples that have always been talked about?

The US aerospace agency itself claims that the new supply of lunar soil will improve both the methods of extraction and delivery, and methods of its research.

For reference: the program of American manned flights to the Moon operated from 1961 (1962) to 1975. The first manned flight took place in 1969. Translated into current prices, it cost the US budget about $ 160 billion. The program was curtailed, according to the United States, precisely because of its high cost.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 September 2020 06: 42
    14 th
    So what? Private ordering. Let them get lost, create ships, and the state will choose the best one, and it is possible that it will order a more needed ship. An attempt to make private traders move in the field of space research. So 500 g of lunar soil or half a meter of a comet's tail does not matter.
    1. hrych
      hrych 11 September 2020 07: 50
      +7
      The problem is NASA, they turned into a Hollywood subsidiary, the only breakthrough topic of the Space Shuttle is closed. Atlas and Antares fly on Russian engines, and even the structural elements of titanium, they say, they say our Avisma makes them, sends astronauts to the Russian Union, and the ISS is based on a Russian basis with trailed modules from different countries. Like any corporation, NASA has turned into a state lobby, eats a colossal budget, you can't just pick it up, all the more it is involved in dirty deeds. Elon Musk was specially invented, so he pushes ... Royal achievements repeats wassat Therefore, this statement is the essence of an anti-Nazi action within the US establishment, where there is no monolith, and the Democrats staged a color revolution against the Republicans. In the literal sense - colored wassat
      1. Temples
        Temples 11 September 2020 08: 18
        -5
        We have it!

        We need to sell mattresses while we are ready to pay. good



        And we'll bring ourselves some more. wink
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 September 2020 08: 07
      -5
      I believe the USSR, which controlled the flights of NASA, I believe China, whose satellite recently photographed the Apollo landing site. And you military comrades do not turn into crazy bucks on the bench with an overdose of rentals.
      phot landing from a Chinese satellite:
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 08: 12
        11 th
        Quote: Civil
        I believe the USSR, which controlled the flights of NASA, I believe China, whose satellite recently photographed the Apollo landing site. And you military comrades do not turn into crazy bucks on the bench with an overdose of rentals.
        phot landing from a Chinese satellite:

        There is a specific contingent of experts, here they would rather believe in reptilians and flat earth than in the US lunar program, and some already do so. Scientists of the USSR are confident, scientists of the Russian Federation are confident, cosmonauts are confident, the leadership of the USSR and the Russian Federation are confident, but the expert will break the board, but will not believe :) they are impolite, what to take from them :)
        1. Temples
          Temples 11 September 2020 08: 23
          14
          Quote: Civil
          I believe the USSR, which controlled NASA flights, I believe China

          You can believe in Bigfoot too.
          I don't give a damn.

          Facts where?

          Anything that mattresses have provided previously raises many questions.
          The mattress does not give answers to these questions.

          Believe us, we mattresses don't cheat! We were definitely there.
          And the soil was stolen from us.
          And the records were stolen.
          And our engines are too good, but it would be expensive to fly on them, it would be better to buy from the Russians on the cheap.
          Thieves and crooks are everywhere.
          But we are not like that! laughing
          1. Temples
            Temples 11 September 2020 08: 27
            +9
            Quote: Vol4ara
            impolite, what to take from them :)

            Definitely.
            Volchara said impolite means impolite.

            Volchara, what does it mean "impolite"? repeat

            Do you remember one of the most important military men in America said the Russians were coming and jumped out the window.
            Why didn't you leap with him?
            This jumper had all the information. The position obliged.

            You didn't believe it!

            Somehow you selectively believe.

            Maybe it's time to prove your faith with facts?
            Americans are not gods. Or don't you believe?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 11 September 2020 09: 59
              -8
              Quote: Temples
              Quote: Vol4ara
              impolite, what to take from them :)



              Maybe it's time to prove your faith with facts?

              So already :)
              1. Temples
                Temples 11 September 2020 10: 09
                +1
                Somewhere already.
                And somewhere wider.

                But there are no facts. wink
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 16
                  -9
                  Quote: Temples
                  Somewhere already.
                  And somewhere wider.

                  But there are no facts. wink

                  There are many facts and they are available to everyone
          2. Not_invented
            Not_invented 11 September 2020 08: 31
            13 th
            There are corner reflectors on the moon - devices that reflect light falling on them in the opposite direction. Any distrustful citizen can familiarize himself with the list of reflectors installed by American astronauts, shine a laser at the desired coordinates and record the reflected signal.
            But it is more pleasant, of course, to assert that the reflectors were installed by aliens at the behest of Allen Dulles, and the Americans were not on the moon.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 11 September 2020 10: 28
              18
              But it is more pleasant, of course, to assert that the reflectors were installed by aliens at the behest of Allen Dulles, and the Americans were not on the moon.

              The USSR also installed corner reflectors on the moon. Their coordinates are known, you can also shine a laser. But this does not mean that there were astronauts there.
              Therefore, this statement of yours is not proof.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 53
                16 th
                Quote: glory1974
                But it is more pleasant, of course, to assert that the reflectors were installed by aliens at the behest of Allen Dulles, and the Americans were not on the moon.

                The USSR also installed corner reflectors on the moon. Their coordinates are known, you can also shine a laser. But this does not mean that there were astronauts there.
                Therefore, this statement of yours is not proof.

                Photos of their equipment on the Moon, Chinese :)
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 11 September 2020 22: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Photos of their equipment on the Moon, Chinese :)

                  The photo above, it seems, was "made" by the LRO probe (Orbiter). The US apparatus, and the hand - you know - will always wash ...
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Motorist
                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    Photos of their equipment on the Moon, Chinese :)

                    The photo above, it seems, was "made" by the LRO probe (Orbiter). The US apparatus, and the hand - you know - will always wash ...

                    First, the LRO probe, and then chang'e 2 Chinese, oh the Americans bought the Chinese, oh they bought
                    1. Motorist
                      Motorist 12 September 2020 14: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: Vol4ara
                      First, the LRO probe, and then chang'e 2 Chinese, oh the Americans bought the Chinese, oh they bought

                      Are you seriously? Did you see the "rover", "instruments" and "footprints" of people in the photo with a resolution of 7 meters? I am begging you!
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 12 September 2020 15: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Motorist
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        First, the LRO probe, and then chang'e 2 Chinese, oh the Americans bought the Chinese, oh they bought

                        Are you seriously? Did you see the "rover", "instruments" and "footprints" of people in the photo with a resolution of 7 meters? I am begging you!

                        Of course not, but I saw the key points and they match. I think in the next 10-20 years we will get an exact answer and someone's house will burn down along with the ass and the sofa.
                      2. Motorist
                        Motorist 12 September 2020 15: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        I think in the next 10-20 years we will get an exact answer and someone's house will burn down along with the ass and the sofa.

                        The exact answer to whoever needs it is they know. And if it is voiced, then someone really will not be up to the burned-out sofa already ... You, Volchara, read all the same Veliurov's work about "pepelatsy" - a serious work with calculations and the facts. Be healthy! hi
          3. Torak
            Torak 11 September 2020 10: 57
            +2
            I agree! This is as true as the existence of the Snow Maiden and Santa Claus! Who does not believe - I can give the address of the neighbors - see for yourself!
          4. astepanov
            astepanov 11 September 2020 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: Not_invented
            But it is more pleasant, of course, to assert that the reflectors were installed by aliens at the behest of Allen Dulles, and the Americans were not on the moon.

            Why are you doing that? Who saw them on the moon, the Americans? I didn’t see it, so they weren’t there. You say you know for sure and have the facts? I didn't see you either. And I have never seen Amereka - maybe she is not there at all. There is Uryupinsk, I live in it. And on the moon there can be no one, the patamushta is small and then decreases, then arrives. You will fall from it, and no bones will remain.
            But seriously, pay attention: we are talking about the delivery of not only dust, but also ice, and it can only be in the polar regions of the Moon, not explored by either astronauts or automata. And ice is extremely important for future expeditions in many ways. Anyway, the few points from which the samples were taken are too few to judge the surface as a whole. So there is a reason in any case.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 11 September 2020 12: 06
              -1
              Quote: astepanov
              there can be no one on the moon, the patamushta is small and then decreases, then arrives. You will fall from it, and no bones will remain.


              Father]. Gerasim informed me that you are thinking incorrectly about the moon. You write that on the moon i.e. on a month people and tribes live and live. This can never be, because if people lived on the moon, they would obscure the magical and magical light of it for us with their homes and fat pastures. People cannot live without rain, and it rains down to earth, not up to the moon. People living on the moon would fall down to earth, but this does not happen. Sludge and slop would fall on our continent from the inhabited moon. Can people live on the moon if it exists only at night and disappears during the day?
              A. P. Chekhov
        2. hrych
          hrych 11 September 2020 08: 31
          12
          Quote: Temples
          And the soil was stolen from us.
          And the record was stolen.
          Thieves and crooks are everywhere.
          But we are not like that!

          The cosmic radiation was not taken into account, the shadows of the photographs are in different directions, the superrocket does not fly, the lunatic astronauts who have not seen the stars are already old and dead. On the moon, the wind treacherously develops a flag, the shooting speed for some reason slowed down. For some reason, they did not see steps of 10 meters and jumps of 25. Instead of the operation of the maneuvering engines, the descent vehicle has light bulbs, etc., and so on. For me, in general, those who believe in landing on the moon now are just illiterate dummies. Just dubari.
          1. novel66
            novel66 11 September 2020 09: 12
            +1
            just dubari illiterate. Just dubari.
            yeah !!!!!
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 04
            -8
            Quote: hrych
            Quote: Temples
            And the soil was stolen from us.
            And the record was stolen.
            Thieves and crooks are everywhere.
            But we are not like that!

            The cosmic radiation was not taken into account, the shadows of the photographs are in different directions, the superrocket does not fly, the lunatic astronauts who have not seen the stars are already old and dead. On the moon, the wind treacherously develops a flag, the shooting speed for some reason slowed down. For some reason, they did not see steps of 10 meters and jumps of 25. Instead of the operation of the maneuvering engines, the descent vehicle has light bulbs, etc., and so on. For me, in general, those who believe in landing on the moon now are just illiterate dummies. Just dubari.




            Sit down two
            1. Temples
              Temples 11 September 2020 10: 15
              +4
              Enough for Leonov to grind bones.

              He did not fly to the moon.
              He was not there.

              And the belief in the exceptionalism of Americans is his own business.

              He's just an astronaut.
              Not a designer, not an engineer, not a physicist, not a doctor.
              He is a brave, courageous man.
              Trained to be a pilot.
              Became an astronaut.
              Good for you! good
              Hero of the Soviet Union.
              Well done. good

              Well, I came to believe in the American way of life.
              It happens to everyone?
              In this you are the same with him.

              There are NO facts!
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 07
                13 th
                Quote: Temples
                Enough for Leonov to grind bones.

                He did not fly to the moon.
                He was not there.

                And the belief in the exceptionalism of Americans is his own business.

                He's just an astronaut.
                Not a designer, not an engineer, not a physicist, not a doctor.
                He is a brave, courageous man.
                Trained to be a pilot.
                Became an astronaut.
                Good for you! good
                Hero of the Soviet Union.
                Well done. good

                Well, I came to believe in the American way of life.
                It happens to everyone?
                In this you are the same with him.

                There are NO facts!

                You have no facts, but Amers have them :) by the way, designers, physicists, doctors, including the Russian Federation, have them too
            2. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 11 September 2020 10: 28
              13
              Quote: Vol4ara


              Sit down two

              And you ask who Leonov worked after his resignation. And also ask who the main beneficiary (s) of this bank is. And who pays, he calls the tune. Leonov is such a cosmic Gorbachev.
            3. hrych
              hrych 11 September 2020 10: 33
              +6
              Leonov is a corrupt ... kyu. Colleagues have already explained to you why he is on the side of the enemy. To give me a two, you have no qualifications. Declare any nuance of flight, even in technology, even in physics and chemistry, even in materials science, even in film-photo business, even in physiology, and I will tear you like Tuzik a heating pad wassat
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 19
                13 th
                Quote: hrych
                Leonov is a corrupt ... kyu. Colleagues have already explained to you why he is on the side of the enemy. To give me a two, you have no qualifications. Declare any nuance of flight, even in technology, even in physics and chemistry, even in materials science, even in film-photo business, even in physiology, and I will tear you like Tuzik a heating pad wassat

                Ok, the emergence of what, I would say, the fundamental in the life of the organism is provided by the potassium sodium pump in neurons? And in this regard - The mechanism of transmission through different types of nerve fibers, in fact, only 2 types are of interest :) if you are in the subject, then you can easily answer. The first thing that came into my head from the university ...
                Leonov, as you say. And what about the rest of the cosmonauts, scientists and leaders of the USSR, the Russian Federation and the rest of the world? :) The USSR then recognized the flight and the Russian Federation recognizes :)
                1. hrych
                  hrych 11 September 2020 11: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  And what about the rest of the cosmonauts, scientists and the leadership of the USSR,

                  Judging by your comments, you don't want to think and compare facts, analyze scientific and technical issues, on which the lunar skeptics rely. You need an "authority" opinion ... liberal and sufficient. In a nutshell. Brezhnev came to power with a vector of detente and cooperation, but in fact, an agreement ... And so Nixon came to them in 1969 and after half a year they allegedly made a mess on the moon, although Grisom's crew burned out, the descent vehicle exploded on tests, etc. In short, everything is bad. By the way, after the bailout, sending Armstrong is another lunar delirium, the pilots know. At the same time, our West surrendered China lukewarm. Nixon also visited the USSR, for the first time after Roosevelt and signed ... signed the SALT-1 agreement with Brezhnev. This treaty is the price of the silence of the USSR and its leaders. And so the whole world looked at the Union and Socialism with its mouth open: the first satellite, the first animals, the first man, the first spacewalk, the first docking, the first woman, the Tsar Bomb and the greatest achievement - the Moon rovers, as well as the delivery of lunar soil to Earth ... which the Americans hastened to buy ... milligrams to their semitones wassat And all of this is covered in a lousy American movie about the Moon. Brezhnev and his entourage with low social responsibility saved the world this way, village idiots. A similar situation with cartoons, lousy cartoons on SOI. Where the collective farmer Gorbachev fell for a cartoon and said that we will not pull this round of the race. Although the academicians told him and his collective farmers that it was a bluff. And to the Brezhnev SALT, he signed the INF Treaty, entered into an agreement with the West and lost to China, not only the CMEA countries, but the USSR itself. I repeat, Brezhnev, in silence about the lunar scam with China, in addition, saved the world, as it seemed to him, the redneck, by concluding SALT.
          3. astepanov
            astepanov 11 September 2020 11: 39
            -2
            Quote: hrych
            For some reason, they did not see steps of 10 meters and jumps of 25.

            Let's count. I suppose that Bob Beamon would not have jumped 25 meters. Well, are there physicists here? And by the way, how much can you jump in height on the moon?
            1. hrych
              hrych 11 September 2020 12: 32
              +2
              Consider as much as you like, the mass of the Earth is opposite to the Moon, one to eighty-one, and then approximately of course. Gravity is in direct proportion to mass. Step a meter on Earth and fly 81 meters on the Moon. This is so rough. You jump half a meter in height and fly up to 40. Armstrong must lift the descent vehicle with one hand. wassat In short, everything that SUPERMAN did. And where is it? They defecated in a jump, and then in slow motion. There, of course, the acceleration of gravity is less, but not so much that it could be seen during their stupid races. I am generally shocked ... over people who do not understand this and believe the Americans belay The main proof is their stupid ... stupid and anti-scientific production. Ride on the rover wassat Why is there a rover if the step is 80 meters .... well, just downs. The worst thing is that they believed. I confused something with Mars, there is a mass of one to ten and a ten-meter step wassat on the moon, even 81 meters laughing
              1. astepanov
                astepanov 11 September 2020 14: 45
                -3
                Quote: hrych
                the mass of the Earth opposite the Moon, one to eighty-one, and that is approximately finite. Gravity is in direct proportion to mass. Step a meter on Earth, you will fly 81 meters on the Moon. This is so rough. You jump half a meter in height, fly up to 40.

                Don't talk nonsense. It looks like you are a victim of EG. The force of gravity depends both on the mass of bodies and on the square of the radius, which is much smaller than the Earth's for the Moon. And therefore the force of gravity on the Moon is less than on Earth, about 6 times.
                The weight of the lunar spacesuit with all the equipment is 92 - 96 kg. Neil Armstrong weighed 77 kg on the ground, and 170 kg in a spacesuit, i.e. 2,2 times more massive than naked. Jump acceleration is based on mass, not weight; with such a mass on the moon, instead of 0,5 m, the astronaut would jump by 1,36 m - but, in addition to the mass, the design of the spacesuit, which has high compression and poorly bend joints, also interferes. So, a meter jump in a spacesuit on the moon is hardly possible.
                I did not give a detailed calculation: there are too many figures.
                By the way, jumping half a meter up on Earth is quite a lot. It's good if one in ten is capable of it.
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 11 September 2020 17: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: astepanov
                  It looks like you are a victim of EG. The force of gravity depends on both the mass of the bodies and the square of the radius

                  Jump acceleration is based on mass, not weight

                  You just blew his brain up. :)
                2. hrych
                  hrych 12 September 2020 11: 28
                  -3
                  My little friend, when I was in college, you sat on the pot. And then the Unified State Exam, by the way and not the EG, was not. What are you writing there the United State and that's it? Therefore, you already have a weakness. 6 times - this is just a mistake that was posted back in Soviet times, because the diameter of the Moon is 6 times smaller than the Earth and with some fright they decided that the steps would be 6 times larger. Therefore, here, you like and balak about 6 times. And normal, literate people come from the masses. And it is 81 times smaller than the earth. Well, come on, you believe in the landing of the Americans on the moon, which means I am to you with condescension and pity. From some devil you bring me here a stupid spacesuit that does not correspond to reality. I repeat, I am simply sorry for you. It's just a pity. And your attitude is flawed.
                  1. astepanov
                    astepanov 12 September 2020 19: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: hrych
                    My little friend, when I was in college, you sat on the pot.

                    This means that I am at least twenty years younger than you, and you, my great friend, are over ninety. My condolences to your dementia.
                    Quote: hrych
                    And normal, literate people come from the masses. And it is 81 times smaller than the earth.

                    No my friend. Normal people proceed from the law of gravity. Apparently, you were born before Newton discovered it in 1666. What aksakals are on the site! My sincere respect, the wisest! However, this also explains your countless mistakes in grammar: after all, you studied it until 1775, when Mikhailo Lomonosov published its first textbook.
                    Quote: hrych
                    And your attitude is flawed.
                    Of course. I really do not believe that the earth rests on four elephants, and those are on the back of a turtle.
                    By the way, you did not say whether you managed to graduate from the Greco-Latin Academy, or from there they asked you with a bang for your dense ignorance.
                    Adieu, my highly learned patriarch.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 12 September 2020 22: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: astepanov
                      I am at least twenty years younger than you, and you, my great friend, are over ninety

                      That you are a great bookkeeper who swung at universal gravity, I already understood wassat 90-20 = 70 I.e. you (switched to you) are older here chatting with suspiciously youthful slang. wassat So once you are referring to the laws of gravitation, so at least understand what I wrote about the direct dependence on mass. Where am I wrong? And excuse me the size of the moon is 6 times smaller, but the mass taken into account in the calculations is 81 times less than the earth's, and what devil are you arguing about? I repeat, 6 times these are dimensions, and the formula takes into account the mass, and the mass is 1/81. Ferstein? General relativity you say? Well, let's get confused by the issues of space and time wassat wassat So after all, these freaks did not demonstrate six-meter jumps. wassat You say a suit of 170 kg? Good 81 for you is an unimaginable figure, so divide 170 by 6, you get less than 30 kg. It is not lifted with one hand, but distributed over the body. So your weight has decreased, you carry your 70-100 kg on the ground wassat Those. even in your opinion, your weight will become ... 10 kg wassat Only 40 kg with mac wassat Can't you take a step? If there are no problems with rickets, then you take a step, and once you take a step, you will fly 6 meters away wassat It's yours, mine and the laws of gravity 81 meters wassat So they didn't show 2 meters wassat Do you even understand that?
                      Quote: astepanov
                      Adieu, my highly learned patriarch.

                      According to the exam, first of all, our schoolchildren are more advanced than Soviet schoolchildren. There were no computers, there were no tablets and there was no Internet, when you look at any question and get an article and a description under the snout. When I wrote my work, I went to the library and naturally the time for processing and receiving information is terribly small, and you also get tired of walking around, getting books, searching for direct material, etc. nonsense as you do not write. After analyzing the aspects of the lunar program, they will make unambiguous conclusions. And when the exam was not passed, it was also written off from the spurs, bribed teachers or teachers provided patronage along the family line, acquaintance and for sexual services. Therefore, the term "victim of the Unified State Exam" is pronounced by people who are short and meaningless from themselves. While.
                    2. Reviews
                      Reviews 13 September 2020 09: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: hrych
                      6 times this size

                      :))) Bliiinn, what a shkoloton! :)
                      Which ones? Diameter? Volume? Surface area?
                      Earth radius 6371km
                      The radius of the moon is 1732 km.
                      March to school and ask the adult aunts to teach you arithmetic, or just ask to divide one number by another.
                      Then ask them to teach you how to raise to a power, or also let them calculate the volumes and surface areas of both celestial bodies.
                      No, really, malcheg, how old are you?
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 13 September 2020 11: 58
                      -2
                      Another wise guy wassat If, my son, I decided to draw on the angular dimensions, then I will surprise you that quite literate people do not consider the radius from the surface, but consider the radius from the upper part of the Atmosphere, which is called the Exosphere by the Earth. The Moon and, for example, Mercury, devoid of an atmosphere, the Exosphere coincides with the surface, but at the Earth it is higher. The exosphere begins at an altitude of 500-1000 kilometers, the so-called Exobase, and ends as much as 190 kilometers. This is so by the way. Or do you think that the Exosphere is no longer Earth? wassat Sit down two wassat But size is a loose concept. There are, as my little friend has already learned, angular dimensions. There is the size of your pension, etc. There is the size of your intelligence. Now, kid, we are going beyond your understanding. So watch closely. In order to relate the mass and radius of the planet, the wise scientists have created a formula where the mass of the planet is divided by the square of the radius, i.e. M / r2. Further, according to the formula, this is multiplied by the gravitational constant (G) and we have the type of acceleration of gravity on a given planet / satellite. In short g = GM / r2
                      Not the point. So, my baby, the Earth's mass divided by the Earth's radius squared is 6 times the Moon's mass divided by the Moon's squared radius. Hence the ratio of the sizes of the Moon and the Earth, exactly 6 times. Further, these 6 times gave us the difference in the acceleration of gravity on the Earth and the Moon. And since we have the weight of the body according to the formula is considered as the mass multiplied by the acceleration of gravity, i.e. P = mg, then you are my baby, you understand how the scientists concluded that an object weighing 60 kg on the moon will weigh 6 times less than on Earth. Don't confuse mass and weight. The mass is unchanged, like 60 kg on the Moon and on Earth, but the weight changes depending on the acceleration of gravity. Therefore, according to this formula, the Americans had to walk 5-6 meters, and jump 15 meters. But I'll tell you a secret that I don't trust the Chechens, because I don't believe that they weighed the planets correctly, because they don't know that the Earth has that inside below 10 kilometers. I do not believe in the correctness of the calculation of the Earth's radius, as I have already told you, one should not count from the surface to the center ... There, even at 10 km, the acceleration of gravity continues to act, by the way, allegedly close to the lunar, and at an altitude of up to 000 km it is almost not strong and falls, remaining in the region of 500 meters per second per second. I also doubt the gravitational constant. Now, if the Americans were really on the Moon and would have carried out the necessary experiments and calculations, then there would certainly be an adjustment for both the gravitational constant and the value of the approximate mass of the Moon, etc. In short, a whole layer of new knowledge, but there is none. For science, these flights are ... zero result. Soil, Duc of Russian machines and analyze. All. Therefore, my baby, it is good to take into account the square of the radius, but to hell with it, but the gigantic mass of the planet Earth, and opposite the dead Moon, makes me think that the weight on the Moon is much less and not 9 times, but hundreds and people are there with his physics is a real grasshopper superman. And in all formulas, correct or corrected in the future, there is a direct dependence of the force of gravity on the mass, even according to Newton, though not according to Newton. I hope it brightened up, your mind is a little, although it is unlikely wassat
                    4. hrych
                      hrych 13 September 2020 11: 58
                      -1
                      Another wise guy wassat If, my son, I decided to draw on the angular dimensions, then I will surprise you that quite literate people do not consider the radius from the surface, but consider the radius from the upper part of the Atmosphere, which is called the Exosphere by the Earth. The Moon and, for example, Mercury, devoid of an atmosphere, the Exosphere coincides with the surface, but at the Earth it is higher. The exosphere begins at an altitude of 500-1000 kilometers, the so-called Exobase, and ends as much as 190 kilometers. This is so by the way. Or do you think that the Exosphere is no longer Earth? wassat Sit down two wassat But size is a loose concept. There are, as my little friend has already learned, angular dimensions. There is a pension and so on. There is a size of your intellect. Now, kid, we are going beyond your understanding. So watch closely. In order to relate the mass and radius of the planet, the wise scientists have created a formula where the mass of the planet is divided by the square of the radius, i.e. M / r ^ 2. Further, according to the formula, this is multiplied by the gravitational constant (G) and we have the type of acceleration of gravity on a given planet / satellite. In short g = GM / r ^ 2
                      Not the point. So, my baby, the Earth's mass divided by the Earth's radius squared is 6 times the Moon's mass divided by the Moon's squared radius. Hence the ratio of the sizes of the Moon and the Earth, exactly 6 times. Further, these 6 times gave us the difference in the acceleration of gravity on the Earth and the Moon. And since we have the weight of the body according to the formula is considered as the mass multiplied by the acceleration of gravity, i.e. P = mg, then you are my baby, you understand how the scientists concluded that an object weighing 60 kg on the moon will weigh 6 times less than on Earth. Don't confuse mass and weight. The mass is unchanged, like 60 kg on the Moon and on Earth, but the weight changes depending on the acceleration of gravity. Therefore, according to this formula, the Americans had to walk 5-6 meters, and jump 15 meters. But I'll tell you a secret that I don't trust the Chechens, because I don't believe that they weighed the planets correctly, because they don't know that the Earth has that inside below 10 kilometers. I do not believe in the correctness of the calculation of the Earth's radius, as I have already told you, one should not count from the surface to the center ... There, even at 10 km, the acceleration of gravity continues to act, by the way, allegedly close to the lunar, and at an altitude of up to 000 km it is almost not strong and falls, remaining in the region of 500 meters per second per second. I also doubt the gravitational constant. Now, if the Americans were really on the Moon and would have carried out the necessary experiments and calculations, then there would certainly be an adjustment for both the gravitational constant and the value of the approximate mass of the Moon, etc. In short, a whole layer of new knowledge, but there is none. For science, these flights are ... zero result. Soil, Duc of Russian machines and analyze. All. Therefore, my baby, it is good to take into account the square of the radius, but to hell with it, but the gigantic mass of the planet Earth, and opposite the dead Moon, makes me think that the weight on the Moon is much less and not 9 times, but hundreds and people are there with his physics is a real grasshopper superman. And in all formulas, correct or corrected in the future, there is a direct dependence of the force of gravity on the mass, even according to Newton, though not according to Newton. I hope it brightened up, your mind is a little, although it is unlikely wassat
                    5. Reviews
                      Reviews 13 September 2020 12: 06
                      +3
                      You fucking addict. Malcheg, you don't really dry out and you smoke some moss.
                    6. hrych
                      hrych 13 September 2020 12: 09
                      -2
                      I said it was unlikely. wassat and this is beyond your understanding
                  2. snake
                    snake 13 September 2020 13: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: hrych
                    But I'll tell you a secret that I don't trust the Chen, because I don't believe that they have weighed the planets correctly,

                    How! And who weighed correctly? You?
                    Quote: hrych
                    for they do not know that the Earth is below 10 kilometers inside.

                    And it looks like the gnomes told you a secret, right?
                    Quote: hrych
                    I do not believe in the correctness of the calculation of the Earth's radius, as I have already told you, it is not from the surface to the center that one should count ...

                    It should be considered only stubborn stupidity like you, right? Then all the calculations will coincide.
                    Quote: hrych
                    the weight on the moon is much less and not 81 times, but hundreds

                    This is what it means not to take tranquilizers on time ...
                  3. hrych
                    hrych 13 September 2020 13: 58
                    -2
                    Your vyser is credited wassat It is impossible to know exactly the mass of the earth and pundits actually do not hide this, and those figures are just a conditional assumption. If you were a little more advanced, you would understand that a lot depends on the earth's core, what size it is, density and rotation speed. Now it is simulated, I repeat that it is simulated, that the core is made of iron. At least metallic. Why? Because iron meteorites and a pier destroyed planetoids can be with iron cores. I repeat, maybe. There can also be a nucleus of gold or of mercury or of uranium. Therefore, it is unknown, volcanoes throw out only the very top of the mantle. This is so that it is not completely dark ... And then the bulges at least would be more literate wassat
                  4. snake
                    snake 13 September 2020 14: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    Your vyser is credited wassat

                    These emoticons that you are constantly inserting this your inner "I", judging by what kind of nonsense you write.
                    Quote: hrych
                    If you were a little more advanced, you would understand that a lot depends on the Earth's core, what size it is, its density and rotation speed.

                    Does the speed of rotation of the nucleus affect gravity? Not on a magnetic field?
                    Don't care about the core. The Earth's gravity is known. During the Lunokhod mission, the calculation was 6 times the difference with the Earth.
                    But this is all lyrics. Give me something else about space, physics or chemistry to make people laugh. I have not met such "alternative" views on life for a long time. You weren't at VO for a long time. Was treated apparently. But it didn't help. On the contrary, it became worse with adequacy. But reading your "conclusions" has become more fun. Burn on!
                  5. hrych
                    hrych 13 September 2020 15: 08
                    -2
                    I have not read, you are not interesting to me hi
                  6. snake
                    snake 13 September 2020 15: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    I have not read, you are not interesting to me

                    What to do, scientific facts are boring and mundane compared to the enchanting fantasy of a madman who despises the laws of physics and reality ...
                  7. hrych
                    hrych 13 September 2020 15: 21
                    -2
                    Come on, I don't read, I just put cons wassatwrite more
                  8. snake
                    snake 13 September 2020 22: 02
                    +1
                    Yes ... bastard. You have become quite dull. Maybe you have begun to realize that the reality in which you exist is incompatible with ours? Cons as an argument? Fine! Bet on health. I do not mind. For your feuilleton on the characteristics of the moon, I would have paid you some more money. You made me happy today. Senkyu!
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 13 September 2020 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        I am. Now, if the Americans really were on the moon and still carried out the necessary experiments and calculations, then there would certainly be an adjustment for both the gravitational constant and the value of the approximate mass of the moon, etc.

        "It seems, Ivan Vasilyevich, that you are delusional" (C) According to you, you graduated from some university. Let me ask you: was it the highest party school? Or a conservatory, accordion class? Or maybe a choreographic school? A graduate of a Soviet technical university simply cannot have such a miserable idea of ​​the natural sciences.
      3. astepanov
        astepanov 13 September 2020 18: 00
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        In order to relate the mass and radius of the planet, the wise scientists have created a formula where the mass of the planet is divided by the square of the radius, i.e. M / r ^ 2. Further, according to the formula, this is multiplied by the gravitational constant (G) and we have the type of acceleration of gravity on a given planet / satellite. In short g = GM / r ^ 2
        Uncle, you should go and learn the ABC book. This law is not for calculating acceleration, but for calculating the force of gravitational interaction. Can you tell the difference between force and acceleration? You have already piled up so much nonsense that you revealed yourself in full glory: you have never seen any kind of ignorant light, and with aplomb, with ambition. I would sit and keep quiet if you don't understand anything about mechanics.
      4. hrych
        hrych 13 September 2020 20: 00
        -3
        Go in peace blissful wassat For general development and why it was important to conduct experiments on the moon. All calculations with the experiments of Newton and Co. were carried out on the Earth, and we also know little about the Earth, but only admit it. The only nearest body is the Moon. There it would be possible to measure the real acceleration of gravity and knowing the radius to clarify with the mass, etc. I'm not writing this to you, but suddenly someone is interested. For me, you are nobody, I did not read what you write. I realized that there is zero knowledge for polemics. So go in peace. Come on, go. Write of course, I will not read, but I will immediately put a minus wassat
      5. astepanov
        astepanov 13 September 2020 21: 41
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        All calculations with the experiments of Newton and Co. were carried out on the Earth, and we also know little about the Earth, but only admit it.

        This you know little and only admit. Don't project your obscurity onto others.
        Quote: hrych
        I realized that there is zero knowledge for controversy

        It's good that I understood. Now go and study. First, open Peryshkin's physics textbook.
      6. snake
        snake 13 September 2020 22: 05
        +1
        Quote: astepanov
        It's good that I understood. Now go and study. First, open Peryshkin's physics textbook.

        Are you overloading the "professor of astrophysics"? Maybe first elementary school math, in particular division? For example, dividing the diameter of the Earth by the diameter of the Moon.
      7. astepanov
        astepanov 13 September 2020 22: 20
        +1
        Yes, here my didactic skills failed. They say that in Germany before the First World War, a trainer with a horse named Hans performed. Hans was good at arithmetic, including division. Do you think the trainer's notes describing the techniques could have survived? The most useful thing for some professors could have happened.
      8. snake
        snake 13 September 2020 22: 33
        +1
        I don’t know, I don’t know ... Will you be able to teach the old dog new tricks? Hans was probably when he was still young. Sadly, but time seems to be lost ...
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 September 2020 18: 45
    -1
    Quote: astepanov
    Jump acceleration is based on mass, not weight

    Are you seriously?
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 September 2020 17: 43
    -1
    Quote: astepanov
    Well, are there physicists here? And by the way, how much can you jump in height on the moon?

    You don't need physicists. There are enough schoolchildren for your task.
    I suggest that you need to connect the following things into the equation: the height of the jump on the Earth, the IKS, the acceleration of gravity on the Earth and on the Moon.
  • krops777
    krops777 11 September 2020 15: 10
    +3
    Cosmic radiation was not taken into account, the shadows of the photographs are in different directions, the super rocket does not fly, the lunatic astronauts who have not seen the stars are already old and dead. On the moon, the wind treacherously develops a flag, the shooting speed for some reason slowed down. For some reason, they did not see steps of 10 meters and jumps of 25.


    And even when Apollo 13 allegedly flew to the Moon, ours in the Bay of Biscay fished out its capsule without astronauts and thermal protection, and why suddenly then such a warming and a billion credit for Kamaz.
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 12 September 2020 08: 27
    -1
    And most importantly, they did not take into account that there should be 13 landing steps, and not one, as in the Chinese photograph.
    bully
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 11 September 2020 09: 25
    14 th
    Quote: Temples
    Quote: Civil
    I believe the USSR, which controlled NASA flights, I believe China

    You can believe in Bigfoot too.
    I don't give a damn.

    Facts where?

    Anything that mattresses have provided previously raises many questions.
    The mattress does not give answers to these questions.

    Believe us, we mattresses don't cheat! We were definitely there.
    And the soil was stolen from us.
    And the records were stolen.
    And our engines are too good, but it would be expensive to fly on them, it would be better to buy from the Russians on the cheap.
    Thieves and crooks are everywhere.
    But we are not like that! laughing

    So there are facts, and the ground was transferred to the USSR and video recording and control from the USSR flight control center.
    the Americans are not to blame that part of the population is stupid, in their place I would not prove anything so oak-headed either
    1. hrych
      hrych 11 September 2020 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Vol4ara
      the Americans are not to blame that part of the population is stupid, in their place I would not prove anything so oak-headed either

      Judging by you and us ... wassat
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 24
        -9
        Quote: hrych
        Quote: Vol4ara
        the Americans are not to blame that part of the population is stupid, in their place I would not prove anything so oak-headed either

        Judging by you and us ... wassat

        Judging by "you", learn to bend the words of an ignoramus. Or read what you write, go teach lessons :)
        1. hrych
          hrych 11 September 2020 13: 53
          +2
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Judging by "you", learn to bend the words of an ignoramus. Or read what you write, go teach lessons :)

          This is rhyme wassat Although, since the moonlight charm has covered you, you are unlikely to appreciate wassat
  • U-58
    U-58 12 September 2020 05: 18
    +2
    Nonsense you write.
    Americans have never tried to justify themselves and prove something to someone, because there was no reason for this, no need.
    You WANT them to do it ..
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 12 September 2020 12: 23
    +1
    WHY I DO NOT believe in the Americans' Lunar Mission and the American version of 9/11? Because the Americans are constantly lying insolently and without proof! There are a huge number of examples. The most famous - "Powell's test tube", Malaysian "Boeing", "Skripal poisoning", "Navalny poisoning", .... That's not all, everyone can easily add to the list. Moreover, if earlier these were infrequent episodes, then recently they have gone endless jamb! DON'T BELIEVE LIE AMERICANS !!!
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 16: 58
    +3
    That's what Ren-TV life-giving does with once-smart people!
  • ccsr
    ccsr 11 September 2020 11: 16
    +9
    Quote: Vol4ara
    There is a specific contingent of experts,

    Is it okay that we ourselves landed the lunar rovers, which are still there and there are traces of their movement? What makes you think that the pictures of the Chinese prove that the astronauts were on the moon? Everything could be limited to landing of lunar modules without crews, and nothing more.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 50
      10 th
      Quote: ccsr
      Quote: Vol4ara
      There is a specific contingent of experts,

      Is it okay that we ourselves landed the lunar rovers, which are still there and there are traces of their movement? What makes you think that the pictures of the Chinese prove that the astronauts were on the moon? Everything could be limited to landing of lunar modules without crews, and nothing more.

      Since the flight of their mission was tracked from launch to landing on the moon and return to earth by the USSR flight control center, from the fact that they have a lot of videos from the Moon, the lunar soil transferred to the USSR, the USSR recognized the flight of amers, corner reflectors on the Moon after their flight, their technique on the moon, recording of conversations during the flight. They have many facts, you have none
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 11 September 2020 12: 12
        +7
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Since the flight of their mission was tracked from launch to landing on the moon and return to earth by the USSR flight control center,

        It wasn’t tracked, don’t fantasize - we didn’t even have receivers for receiving television signals from the Moon before the first landing, and the only point where theoretically we could receive these signals was near Evpatoria, and when the work was going with the Madrid Receiving Center. During the first landing, this center did not receive TV signals.
        Quote: Vol4ara
        since they have a lot of videos from the moon,

        We do not have a single video from the Moon, do not fantasize, because after creating special receiving devices, a signal was received that we could not even reproduce on the TV screen.
        Quote: Vol4ara
        recording of conversations during the flight.

        The recording of the negotiations is not proof of the landing - by the way, we did not even have the opportunity to control the work of their transmitters towards the Moon. And on the lunar modules themselves there were recording devices, so if you want, you can even simulate radio traffic in an unmanned version - by the way, not only the Americans, but also other participants in the war used this during World War II.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 September 2020 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: ccsr
          We do not have a single video from the Moon, do not fantasize, because after creating special receiving devices, a signal was received that we could not even reproduce on the TV screen.

          Well, if you understand this, then Gagarin's flight is a fake, the Americans do not have a video, and the radio exchange is from the 2nd world known, as you say
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 12 September 2020 19: 53
            0
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Well, if you understand this, then Gagarin's flight is a fake,

            Gagarin's flight was repeated by hundreds of different people, but no one saw the flight to the Moon by the Americans at all and they themselves cannot repeat it in fifty years. Can you explain why?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 12 September 2020 20: 27
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Well, if you understand this, then Gagarin's flight is a fake,

              Gagarin's flight was repeated by hundreds of different people, but no one saw the flight to the Moon by the Americans at all and they themselves cannot repeat it in fifty years. Can you explain why?

              Well, why, I saw))
              They cannot because it is not necessary and this is a risk, no one will fly on the technologies of the 60s. But I think that in the next 20-30 years they will visit the moon again

              1. ccsr
                ccsr 12 September 2020 21: 17
                0
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Well, why, I saw))

                You might as well watch a porn movie and think that intercourse should last 30-40 minutes to conceive children. But those who made children not on the screen, but in life, will confirm to you that everything is happening much faster. Who will you believe then?
                Quote: Vol4ara
                They cannot because it is not necessary and this is a risk, no one will fly on the technologies of the 60s.

                Weak excuse - for the Americans, then everything went without a hitch and without a hitch. Why, after fifty years, does it scare them, especially since technological progress has made a huge leap forward?

                Quote: Vol4ara
                But I think that in the next 20-30 years they will visit the moon again

                I think the Chinese will be there even earlier. But this is still a forecast.
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      2. Motorist
        Motorist 11 September 2020 22: 41
        -1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        They have many facts

        Volchara, if you are not stubborn NASAfil - read Velurov "Ashes fly to the moon". Nice article with several chapters. Forum users also advise.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 September 2020 12: 44
          -1
          Quote: Motorist
          Quote: Vol4ara
          They have many facts

          Volchara, if you are not stubborn NASAfil - read Velurov "Ashes fly to the moon". Nice article with several chapters. Forum users also advise.

          Not nasafil and never was a supporter of amers, I consider them enemies. I am a common sense, the moon landing fax is undeniable.
          And about the recommendations of different authors - can you immediately recommend Fomenko?
      3. Alexey Polyutkin
        Alexey Polyutkin 11 September 2020 23: 54
        0
        Like no one when they bring you a million (except for jumps of 40 meters). Personally, I don't know who to believe. There are facts for and against the flight of amers to the moon. One of the facts against in a photo published on the NASA website where the outlines of a hammelion are guessed on the lunar surface. So guess. Is it true a fake in some desert, or is it just that the amers' equipment did not work and therefore everything on earth was re-captured, or 1 chance in a billion to find a resemblance to an earthly creature on the surface of the Moon ...
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Polyutkin
          Like no one when they bring you a million (except for jumps of 40 meters). Personally, I don't know who to believe. There are facts for and against the flight of amers to the moon. One of the facts against in a photo published on the NASA website where the outlines of a hammelion are guessed on the lunar surface. So guess. Is it true a fake in some desert, or is it just that the amers' equipment did not work and therefore everything on earth was re-captured, or 1 chance in a billion to find a resemblance to an earthly creature on the surface of the Moon ...

          There is a photo on Mars where the outlines of human faces can be traced
      4. mikstepanenko
        mikstepanenko 12 September 2020 16: 31
        +1
        The flight from start to landing was monitored by automatic vehicles, they also delivered corner reflectors. Nobody investigated the lunar soil from them, they officially lost it. The union received 50 grams of exchange, the soil is real, before that they received 52 grams from the union. The negotiations were monitored, there was a relay in lunar orbit. We ourselves, as part of the preparation of our lunar program, conducted negotiations between Moscow and Simferopol through a repeater in orbit around the Moon. There is not a single video and photo of a flight or on the Moon that would not show signs of editing. And sometimes awkward, like filming the receding Earth from a ship. At the same time, the Earth did not return a single degree, but should have returned more than thirty.
  • gemini
    gemini 11 September 2020 21: 01
    -1
    Maybe it's enough to tell fairy tales ?? !! The Americans not only did not fly to the moon, they could not even carry out the Soyuz-Apollo flight for lack of both engines and the spacecraft itself. This is described in detail in the book by N. Lebedev, A Popov SOYUZ program - APOLLON scam cosmic scale. And there is no need to write about the corrupt leadership of the USSR - in the person of the Brezhnevs, Kosygins, corrupt cosmonauts like the banker Leonov .ps The Americans still do not have their own toilet on ships, and you write to me. Please, how the Americans flew to the moon in diapers and how many times they changed them. laughing lol
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 12 September 2020 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: Gemini
      Maybe it's enough to tell fairy tales ?? !! The Americans not only did not fly to the moon, they could not even carry out the Soyuz-Apollo flight for lack of both engines and the spacecraft itself. This is described in detail in the book by N. Lebedev, A Popov SOYUZ program - APOLLON scam cosmic scale. And there is no need to write about the corrupt leadership of the USSR - in the person of the Brezhnevs, Kosygins, corrupt cosmonauts like the banker Leonov .ps The Americans still do not have their own toilet on ships, and you write to me. Please, how the Americans flew to the moon in diapers and how many times they changed them. laughing lol

      Lord, where do you come from) how will your ass burn out when the Chinese take a picture of the landing site with high resolution, the city will burn out along with all the sofas) although damn it, the Chinese will then also be corrupt ahha))))
  • Squelcher
    Squelcher 12 September 2020 15: 28
    0
    Alexey Leonov has repeatedly argued that there was a landing on the moon, but there will always be figures who believe in nonsense from "experts far from space" than a man who flew into space.
    1. mikstepanenko
      mikstepanenko 12 September 2020 16: 34
      -4
      And what was left for him, he himself participated in the Soyue-Apollo program. In which there really was only information hype and no flights.
  • mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 12 September 2020 16: 20
    -3
    The USSR had evidence that it was a scam. Namely, the Apollo lander, which was caught in the sea. Which was not in space and was a props. But the Americans paid off. Kamaz, the plant was supplied free of charge. And in grain, it was sold at reduced prices every year. And now the train has left, they themselves have a stigma in the cannon to remember.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 09: 01
    14
    Quote: Civil
    recently photographed the Apollo landing site. And you comrades in the military do not turn into crazy grandmothers on the bench with an overdose of rentals.
    phot landing from a Chinese satellite:

    And what do you see in this picture?
    And what happened to 300 kg. lunar soil?
    And where did all (!) Technical documentation on the Saturn launch vehicle that flew to the moon go?
    Why, after flights to the moon, NASA buys engines in Russia?
    Where are the Saturn engines? Or was the Saturn single-engine and therefore cannot be used for near space?
    When Luna-16 delivered 100 grams. regolith to Earth, the USSR distributed it for study in the laboratories of the USA, England, Japan.
    When the Japanese asked the United States to provide them with the soil delivered by Apollo 11 for research, the United States gave it. But .. as the Japanese said, this "lunar soil" turned out to be the soil of the Nevada desert.
    Does this mean anything to you?
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 09: 15
      0
      no no no !!! still easier !!!
      https://topwar.ru/99530-o-proze-zhizni-v-missiyah-apollo.html
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        no no no !!! still easier !!!

        Thanks for the link. Laughing out loud!
        Another, and important, proof that they were not there. They did not stand there and they did not fly or travel there.
      2. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 11 September 2020 10: 33
        +4
        Quote: novel xnumx
        https://topwar.ru/99530-o-proze-zhizni-v-missiyah-apollo.html

        They also had spacewalks with zippers.
        And only now it occurred to me. And how did they put on spacesuits in their diapers filled with amnom from the article on the link to land on the moon?
      3. hrych
        hrych 11 September 2020 10: 38
        -1
        Erektor of some kind with a pump wassat
    2. U-58
      U-58 12 September 2020 05: 24
      +1
      By the way, do you know for an hour where the documentation for the N-1 rocket went?
      The last 50 years she has not been ...
  • Torak
    Torak 11 September 2020 10: 51
    -2
    You are crazy - with a brain as clean as a sheet of paper - without any logical and critical thinking.
  • John22
    John22 11 September 2020 12: 12
    +7
    The USSR did not control the Apollo flights to the moon. No proof.
  • krops777
    krops777 11 September 2020 14: 58
    +4
    I believe the USSR, which controlled NASA flights, I believe China, whose satellite recently photographed the Apollo landing site


    Are you sure these were manned flights? Or did the automatic stations leave their presence there and the United States issued it for a manned flight? There are too many facts indicating just this.
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 11 September 2020 20: 36
    0
    And the arrows themselves drew on the photo, or did you help hto? By the way, there is an enlarged fragment of this "photographic image".
  • Bar1
    Bar1 11 September 2020 08: 19
    19
    when you start to lie, it is impossible to stop.
    If people note inconsistencies and miscalculations of these flights, then they are recorded in conspiracy theorists and so everywhere, in history in particular. Moreover, the question is quite legitimate, there is soil, why else is soil needed? But by asking such a boorish question you immediately become a conspiracy theorist.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 09: 27
      22 th
      Quote: Bar1
      when you start to lie, it is impossible to stop.
      If people note inconsistencies and miscalculations of these flights, then they are recorded in conspiracy theorists and so everywhere, in history in particular. Moreover, the question is quite legitimate, there is soil, why else is soil needed? But by asking such a boorish question you immediately become a conspiracy theorist.

      For example, for the fact that that soil is 50 years old, but fresh is needed. Not? Such thoughts never crossed your mind?
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 11 September 2020 09: 34
        18
        Quote: Vol4ara
        For example, for the fact that that soil is 50 years old, but fresh is needed. Not? Such thoughts never crossed your mind?

        Arctic fox, but it never occurred to you that there are differences between the soil and meat? The meat becomes rancid, but the soil, i.e. sand with stones, no. Therefore, the concept of "fresh" for stones, as it does not fit.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 11
          14 th
          Quote: Bar1
          Quote: Vol4ara
          For example, for the fact that that soil is 50 years old, but fresh is needed. Not? Such thoughts never crossed your mind?

          Arctic fox, but it never occurred to you that there are differences between the soil and meat? The meat becomes rancid, but the soil, i.e. sand with stones, no. Therefore, the concept of "fresh" for stones, as it does not fit.

          For stones from your kidneys, maybe not, but for soil from the Moon, undoubtedly yes
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 11 September 2020 10: 24
            +9
            Quote: Vol4ara
            For stones from your kidneys, maybe not, but for soil from the Moon, undoubtedly

            what is the difference, you can tell?
            1. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 11 September 2020 21: 06
              +3
              Leave him alone, colleague. The person in the morning cannot distinguish himself from the Pope, is still dull, and you ask him such a problem.
            2. U-58
              U-58 12 September 2020 05: 32
              +1
              There is a difference. It is impossible to store soil in authentic conditions. There is no effect of cosmic radiation, solar wereter, but there is a strong magnetic field of the earth. At the same time, some properties of the soil change, in particular, the content of Helium-3 decreases.
              And in the backward, beautiful marquise, it's all the same pussies as 51 years ago.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 12 September 2020 08: 01
                +1
                Quote: U-58
                There is a difference. It is impossible to store soil in authentic conditions

                -authentic = authentic, valid.
                addiction to foreign words has played a cruel joke on you. On the contrary, in such (authentic, lunar) conditions, you can store.
                In an airless space, helium3 is a solid substance, and under normal terrestrial conditions, they do not write that it can be a gas, or a solid substance, but in any case, an airless environment can be created under terrestrial conditions.
                1. U-58
                  U-58 12 September 2020 09: 52
                  0
                  Well, yes))) What will he do in the refrigerator!))).
                  Do you consider vacuum and temperature sufficient?
                  Nature is actually much more complex than we think ...
                  It's just that you have not had a case, most likely, to make sure of this.
                  Even kidney stones, which sometimes doctors give to the healed as a keepsake, after 10 will have completely different properties than those that they had after extraction.
                  Even the view will change))).
                  I suggest that you rest on science and get (and demonstrate to mankind) solid helium. I guarantee the Nobel Prize, inclusion in the elite of world science, portraits in physics rooms next to the faces of Newton, Einstein, Rutherford and Lomonosov.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 11 September 2020 10: 34
            +4
            For stones from your kidneys, maybe not, but for soil from the Moon, undoubtedly yes

            Everything is correct. The United States has mothballed the lunar soil with the wording: "To keep the lunar soil unchanged in order to study it by more effective scientific methods in the future."
            Therefore, he did not give it to anyone, well, except for 4-5 grams.
            Now the question is: Do you have information that the USA did not succeed in preserving the lunar soil, it disappeared, and a new one is urgently needed?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 55
              12 th
              Quote: glory1974
              For stones from your kidneys, maybe not, but for soil from the Moon, undoubtedly yes

              Everything is correct. The United States has mothballed the lunar soil with the wording: "To keep the lunar soil unchanged in order to study it by more effective scientific methods in the future."
              Therefore, he did not give it to anyone, well, except for 4-5 grams.
              Now the question is: Do you have information that the USA did not succeed in preserving the lunar soil, it disappeared, and a new one is urgently needed?

              The lunar soil was given by the USSR.
              And now the question - do you have information that the conservation of the lunar soil was successful and they do not need fresh soil?
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 52
                0
                And now the question - do you have information that the conservation of the lunar soil was successful and they do not need fresh soil?

                Do you always answer a question with a question? laughing
                I have information that everything is fine with the soil. Therefore, the request is annoying to bring another 400 grams to 500 kg.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 15 September 2020 09: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: glory1974
                  And now the question - do you have information that the conservation of the lunar soil was successful and they do not need fresh soil?

                  Do you always answer a question with a question? laughing
                  I have information that everything is fine with the soil. Therefore, the request is annoying to bring another 400 grams to 500 kg.

                  No.
                  So then provide information
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 15 September 2020 10: 05
                    0
                    So then provide information

                    Read the official NASA website. There is information that the soil is stored, that it is unusable.
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 15 September 2020 10: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: glory1974
                      So then provide information

                      Read the official NASA website. There is information that the soil is stored, that it is unusable.

                      And what is it fit to have a message? - also no
                    2. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 15 September 2020 10: 40
                      0
                      And what is it fit to have a message? - also no

                      belay So you invented it yourself that it is useless to justify NASA? or why?
                    3. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 15 September 2020 10: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: glory1974
                      And what is it fit to have a message? - also no

                      belay So you invented it yourself that it is useless to justify NASA? or why?

                      If there is soil, but demanded a new one, then the old one is unusable. Not being irradiated by the solar wind, I lost some properties.
  • Lontus
    Lontus 11 September 2020 09: 36
    +9
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Bar1
    when you start to lie, it is impossible to stop.
    If people note inconsistencies and miscalculations of these flights, then they are recorded in conspiracy theorists and so everywhere, in history in particular. Moreover, the question is quite legitimate, there is soil, why else is soil needed? But by asking such a boorish question you immediately become a conspiracy theorist.

    For example, for the fact that that soil is 50 years old, but fresh is needed. Not? Such thoughts never crossed your mind?

    Why was it (400 kg of "lunar" soil) then pickled for 50 years instead of being distributed to all laboratories in the world?
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 12: 05
      12 th
      Quote: Lontus
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Quote: Bar1
      when you start to lie, it is impossible to stop.
      If people note inconsistencies and miscalculations of these flights, then they are recorded in conspiracy theorists and so everywhere, in history in particular. Moreover, the question is quite legitimate, there is soil, why else is soil needed? But by asking such a boorish question you immediately become a conspiracy theorist.

      For example, for the fact that that soil is 50 years old, but fresh is needed. Not? Such thoughts never crossed your mind?

      Why was it (400 kg of "lunar" soil) then pickled for 50 years instead of being distributed to all laboratories in the world?

      Why not pickle it and distribute it to laboratories around the world? They need to let them fly
      1. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 11 September 2020 21: 13
        -1
        Well, stupid, Americans. They would have to fly to the moon themselves for the sand, and they asked the USSR for it. laughing
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 05
          +1
          Quote: Fil743
          Well, stupid, Americans. They would have to fly to the moon themselves for the sand, and they asked the USSR for it. laughing

          Or given?) In the muse of cosmonautics, whose soil?) What is written on the plate, do not tell me? Is it a case that the soil was not given to the USA as a gift to the USSR?))
  • Finches
    Finches 11 September 2020 06: 42
    20
    For the Apollo program, the Americans had to ram so much lunar soil back to Earth that would be enough for more than one generation of research ... Or did NASA officials take away everything to fill the paths around the houses? laughing
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 07: 18
      20
      disappeared, you know, 400 kg of pebbles are many times more expensive than gold ... lost, even the Amsterdam museum was sniffed under the guise of lunar soil. it's so cute
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 11 September 2020 09: 39
        16
        th
        Quote: novel xnumx
        disappeared
        Not only these "stones" were "lost", but also kilometers of photos and film, which could be evidence in the examination of their authenticity. Before the kilograms of soil disappeared, there was a preliminary embarrassment with the "soil" that the Americans gave on Earth.
        The mere fact that after a long flight, their astronauts cheerfully climbed out of their "space" capsule, as if they had returned from a resort, raises questions whether they were in space at all, whether they know what it is, except for their suborbital jumps. In addition, super-powerful and ultra-reliable rocket engines have disappeared from the most lifting rocket in the world (until now), and the miracle rocket itself, Saturn-5, which, without lengthy tests, appeared virtually nowhere, worked without a hitch, turned out to be no longer in demand "on the moon" all launches of the "Apollo".

        Oddly enough, designing and receiving such a missile, the Americans did not bother to switch to breathing air in their missions, using dangerous oxygen and low atmospheric pressure. The Americans did not have the technology to return cargo to Earth, they did not practice a soft landing on the Moon. But, like in a movie, everything went off with a bang, only the mission under the unlucky number "13", as by the law of the genre, made the townsfolk worry, before the invariable happy ending. The Americans did not know much then about the Earth's radiation belts, the trajectory announced by NASA is marked through the zone with a lethal dose of received sievert. In addition, brave cowboys "flew" to the moon during the years of maximum solar activity.

        Now modern images of the "landing" ... After the scam all over the world, when one conviction of the United States in a lie, this is a fatal national shame and the edge for the collapse of the United States itself. It is much more interesting why, having caught the United States on falsifications, the Soviet leadership made a deal with the Americans, played along with the United States and concealed the truth. Only the recognition of the USSR, the space authority of the Soviet Union, saved these Hollywood clowns from exposure and shame. Was it worth what the States bought off then, in the era of detente. Why now, having compromising evidence, Russia continues to be silent about these "conquerors of the moon", there is already another dependence, on the masters and leaders of capitalism? Until now, with all the technologies of the 50st century, a man's flight to the moon is a big problem, and even more so almost XNUMX years ago, with American rag spacesuits and diapers, on a damp rocket.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 11 September 2020 23: 36
          -1
          Quote: Per se.
          Until now, with all the technologies of the XXI century, manned flight to the moon is a big problem,

          I would add, not just a big problem, but a VERY big problem. But Musk's hamsters, for whom a banal flight to Earth's orbit is a "huge achievement" for the United States, will "eat" everything.
    2. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 11 September 2020 21: 19
      +1
      perhaps you are not that far from the truth. Especially when you consider that the American "lunar soil" is fundamentally different from the soil delivered by the Soviet AMS in the absence of a film of unoxidized iron.
  • PN
    PN 11 September 2020 06: 43
    18
    Perhaps I will join the supporters of the lunar conspiracy ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 07: 19
      +4
      it's high time ... read Mukhin https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=20238&p=1
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 07: 53
        14 th
        Quote: novel xnumx
        it's high time ... read Mukhin https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=20238&p=1

        And who is he, why should we believe him?
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 11 September 2020 08: 56
          10
          And who urges you to believe or not to believe? You need to turn on the brain, read and comprehend the arguments.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 07
            -9
            Quote: Hagalaz
            And who urges you to believe or not to believe? You need to turn on the brain, read and comprehend the arguments.

            No.
            There is no habit of turning it off. Therefore, I am on the side of scientists and astronauts, and you are on the side of the ignorant and obscurantists.
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 11 September 2020 11: 02
              +3
              Ha! And where did you get the idea that I'm on whose side? I did not express my position. You would understand this if your brain was in the "on" mode.
              Or have you not read it by principle, but I condemn it?
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 11
                11 th
                Quote: Hagalaz
                Ha! And where did you get the idea that I'm on whose side? I did not express my position. You would understand this if your brain was in the "on" mode.
                Or have you not read it by principle, but I condemn it?

                I would understand this if I read all the comments. You have to click there, do not click the switch, if there is no voltage, it will not help :)
            2. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 11 September 2020 21: 32
              -2
              And when did the cosmonauts fly to the moon? WMS kumpanstvo what kind of secret adventure undertaken? Enlighten, dear man, do not keep it to yourself. If Th, I have access to the information constituting the state secret.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 08
                +2
                Quote: Fil743
                And when did the cosmonauts fly to the moon? WMS kumpanstvo what kind of secret adventure undertaken? Enlighten, dear man, do not keep it to yourself. If Th, I have access to the information constituting the state secret.

                "If what" I have grandfather Tsiolkovsky, uncle VV Putin, and I am married to niece Shoigu, yeah, I put seals with the code of owls secretly)
                In 1969

                PS: in secret (owls secret!) - the information you gleaned from VO and classmates is not a state secret)
        2. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2020 09: 08
          +3
          read and think - nothing more
        3. bayard
          bayard 11 September 2020 10: 08
          +9
          Quote: Vol4ara
          why should we believe him?

          Faith is RELIGION. And the superstitions of others must be respected ... or tolerated ...
          Try to include critical analysis and look at at least materials about American programs:
          - "Mercury" lol ;
          - "Gemeni" lol ;
          - and of course "Apollo"
          based on the materials of THAT time. With photographs and chronicles, descriptions of ships and, ATTENTION (!!!), their SUITS.
          I promise it will be fun.
          Especially the "moon suit" with a zipper on the back. lol bully
          Ordinary zipper, like on a jacket or bag.
          ... Someone might say that there are such zippers - for scuba divers' suits, but firstly it is absolutely different - water, and secondly, the pressure on the scuba diving suit comes from outside.
          Look how cheerful they were jumping out of the descent capsule after a week of zero gravity flight and braking in the atmosphere from the second cosmic speed ... On their F-1 engines for the first stage of Saturn-5 ...
          YES FOR EVERYTHING!
          That they did not fly to the moon, I heard back in 1985 from a classmate who spent most of his young life in Baikonur (his father served there with the rank of colonel). And then from his father. And even later, in a conversation with the designers of the Yuzhnoye design bureau, who participated in the Soviet lunar program, they were preparing a landing module ... Well, and also in a conversation with someone.
          And he himself managed to ensure the landing of the spacecraft for three years.
          So do not be lazy, read the American materials of that time with a critical analysis, it will be a lot of fun.

          ... But if FAITH does not allow ... then request ... Faith is sacred. yes
          bully
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 13
            14 th
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: Vol4ara
            why should we believe him?

            Faith is RELIGION. And the superstitions of others must be respected ... or tolerated ...
            Try to include critical analysis and look at at least materials about American programs:
            - "Mercury" lol ;
            - "Gemeni" lol ;
            - and of course "Apollo"
            based on the materials of THAT time. With photographs and chronicles, descriptions of ships and, ATTENTION (!!!), their SUITS.
            I promise it will be fun.
            Especially the "moon suit" with a zipper on the back. lol bully
            Ordinary zipper, like on a jacket or bag.
            ... Someone might say that there are such zippers - for scuba divers' suits, but firstly it is absolutely different - water, and secondly, the pressure on the scuba diving suit comes from outside.
            Look how cheerful they were jumping out of the descent capsule after a week of zero gravity flight and braking in the atmosphere from the second cosmic speed ... On their F-1 engines for the first stage of Saturn-5 ...
            YES FOR EVERYTHING!
            That they did not fly to the moon, I heard back in 1985 from a classmate who spent most of his young life in Baikonur (his father served there with the rank of colonel). And then from his father. And even later, in a conversation with the designers of the Yuzhnoye design bureau, who participated in the Soviet lunar program, they were preparing a landing module ... Well, and also in a conversation with someone.
            And he himself managed to ensure the landing of the spacecraft for three years.
            So do not be lazy, read the American materials of that time with a critical analysis, it will be a lot of fun.

            ... But if FAITH does not allow ... then request ... Faith is sacred. yes
            bully

            Provide proof of your words. Lightning there and so on, information about how astronauts should jump out after 3 weeks of zero gravity. Otherwise it's just the wind
            1. bayard
              bayard 11 September 2020 10: 44
              +9
              You are driving the wind, and I am talking about obvious things. If you are interested, look for yourself and try to dissuade me. There are a lot of materials on the internet - a lot of old materials have been digitized, but at one time I worked with paper media, including under the stamp.
              Type in the search engine "spacesuit of the Apolon lunar program" and you will get a bunch of materials. Choose materials from those years (there is also a video of dressing up). There they will tell you about diapers ... I don’t want to delve into all their jambs - there are infinitely many of them. See for yourself.
              Enjoy.
              I'm not so young anymore to grind the old rags of American sins, but I myself am a witness to something.
              Yes, read at least the same Mukhin, he has a lot of materials. There is also a good movie "Lunar Scam", and an article with the same title - there is also a lot of funny and devastating things with photos, formulas, calculations ...
              Include critical thinking and get the material yourself, it's much more fun.

              And yet - the recognition by the Soviet Union of American "flights" was a political act ... and not free of charge. For that, they built a Kamaz for us, did not interfere with the gas pipeline to Europe and for a long time (until the death of the United States) supplied fodder grain at a price below the cost price ... and exchanged Vietnam for Egypt.
              It was the Big Political Deal.
              And it (this deal) ruined the Soviet Union with its consequences.
              From the materials of the "Lunar scam" you will find out why the exercises of the Soviet Navy "Ocean" were carried out, for the sake of which they almost destroyed a nuclear submarine and how at this price (with the whole complex of measures) they got the Apolon-13 landing module in the North Atlantic, which turned out to be a dummy ...
              ... And how it was later handed over to the Americans under the photographs of journalists in the Hungarian large circulation (they captured and published this act of transfer) ... And then there were negotiations and ... the conspiracy itself.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 58
                12 th
                Quote: bayard
                You are driving the wind, and I am talking about obvious things. If you are interested, look for yourself and try to dissuade me. There are a lot of materials on the internet - a lot of old materials have been digitized, but at one time I worked with paper media, including under the stamp.
                Type in the search engine "spacesuit of the Apolon lunar program" and you will get a bunch of materials. Choose materials from those years (there is also a video of dressing up). There they will tell you about diapers ... I don’t want to delve into all their jambs - there are infinitely many of them. See for yourself.
                Enjoy.
                I'm not so young anymore to grind the old rags of American sins, but I myself am a witness to something.
                Yes, read at least the same Mukhin, he has a lot of materials. There is also a good movie "Lunar Scam", and an article with the same title - there is also a lot of funny and devastating things with photos, formulas, calculations ...
                Include critical thinking and get the material yourself, it's much more fun.

                And yet - the recognition by the Soviet Union of American "flights" was a political act ... and not free of charge. For that, they built a Kamaz for us, did not interfere with the gas pipeline to Europe and for a long time (until the death of the United States) supplied fodder grain at a price below the cost price ... and exchanged Vietnam for Egypt.
                It was the Big Political Deal.
                And it (this deal) ruined the Soviet Union with its consequences.
                From the materials of the "Lunar scam" you will find out why the exercises of the Soviet Navy "Ocean" were carried out, for the sake of which they almost destroyed a nuclear submarine and how at this price (with the whole complex of measures) they got the Apolon-13 landing module in the North Atlantic, which turned out to be a dummy ...
                ... And how it was later handed over to the Americans under the photographs of journalists in the Hungarian large circulation (they captured and published this act of transfer) ... And then there were negotiations and ... the conspiracy itself.

                So do you have proof that this is a deal or not? And with China, they both agreed, what they were promised :) Whoa what Americans, the whole world deceived.
                You pour a lot of water, but you have no proof, and the Amers do. They provided them and everyone agreed with them. If you want to prove otherwise, then you need not speculation, but facts and research.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 11 September 2020 12: 51
                  +8
                  They reached an agreement with China at about the same time, and China had nothing to blackmail the liars with. China then - in the early 70s simply sold itself to the United States and attacked Vietnam to confirm its obedience.
                  It was very easy with him.
                  And we used the captured Apolon 13 lander to activate negotiations on the Big Deal, which then took place.
                  As a result, the United States withdrew from Vietnam and we let them do it gently, without much shame.
                  And we, in turn, left Egypt, which was a gigantic burden to us (we had to keep there an entire army with an air defense corps, aviation, tanks ... saving Egypt from another collapse) and huge expenses. In short - exchanged.
                  Again !
                  We are looking for ourselves, I have indicated the sources to you.
                  Read.
                  Analyzing.
                  Checking.
                  If, of course, education and outlook allows.
                  Watch Zorin's film "The Mysterious Millionaire" (or Billionaire) in 2 episodes and its third part - "Diamonds Forever", this is a good, entertaining film. There, the Americans themselves showed everything, albeit in a playful way.
                  AND STARTED TO PAY!
                  Grain.
                  At a price cheaper than the cost.
                  To feed our cattle.
                  And they built a heavy truck plant and their own - the latest American truck (which did not go into series in the USA).
                  And EVERY YEAR they gave Leonid Brezhnev the newest elite car for that year. Private garage.
                  In gratitude for the silence.
                  Until his death.
                  And I knew the driver from that garage ... but that was in the 90s.
                  So if you want proof - take it yourself, an adult already.
                  1. Hagalaz
                    Hagalaz 11 September 2020 19: 52
                    +4
                    Here you have the patience to explain! I envy, "in white" ...
                  2. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 12 September 2020 07: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: bayard

                    We are looking for ourselves, I have indicated the sources to you.
                    Read.
                    Analyzing.
                    Checking.

                    bayard, respect and respect!
                  3. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 12 September 2020 12: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: bayard
                    They reached an agreement with China at about the same time, and China had nothing to blackmail the liars with. China then - in the early 70s simply sold itself to the United States and attacked Vietnam to confirm its obedience.
                    It was very easy with him.
                    And we used the captured Apolon 13 lander to activate negotiations on the Big Deal, which then took place.
                    As a result, the United States withdrew from Vietnam and we let them do it gently, without much shame.
                    And we, in turn, left Egypt, which was a gigantic burden to us (we had to keep there an entire army with an air defense corps, aviation, tanks ... saving Egypt from another collapse) and huge expenses. In short - exchanged.
                    Again !
                    We are looking for ourselves, I have indicated the sources to you.
                    Read.
                    Analyzing.
                    Checking.
                    If, of course, education and outlook allows.
                    Watch Zorin's film "The Mysterious Millionaire" (or Billionaire) in 2 episodes and its third part - "Diamonds Forever", this is a good, entertaining film. There, the Americans themselves showed everything, albeit in a playful way.
                    AND STARTED TO PAY!
                    Grain.
                    At a price cheaper than the cost.
                    To feed our cattle.
                    And they built a heavy truck plant and their own - the latest American truck (which did not go into series in the USA).
                    And EVERY YEAR they gave Leonid Brezhnev the newest elite car for that year. Private garage.
                    In gratitude for the silence.
                    Until his death.
                    And I knew the driver from that garage ... but that was in the 90s.
                    So if you want proof - take it yourself, an adult already.

                    Fomenko you? Didn't know that you were registered here, recognized you by the level of evidence base
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 12 September 2020 13: 31
                      +1
                      Sasha, go to school, study physics, mathematics, astronomy, read smart books, not propaganda brochures.
                      I was familiar with the participants of the Soviet lunar program, I myself took part in providing spacecraft landings and at one time I studied well at school.
                      At the university.
                      And all my life.
                      Learn.
                      And if you don't have enough time to study, then don't dirty the forum with your nonsense, don't show your obstinacy in ignorance.
                      Really, it's funny.

                      And, by the way, Fomenko is an academician in mathematics, a world-renowned scientist in his field.
                      And what have you achieved in your short life?
                      What did you do that was smart and useful that you could be proud of?
                      And what would give you the right to judge things of "cosmic significance"?
                      And you don't care that under the guise of a stone from the moon NASA gave the prince of Monaco a piece of petrified wood ...
                      After all, on a drum?
                      And he took it and gave it for examination ... lol
                      So take your drum and go to the square. Maybe at least make people laugh ...
                      Laziness.
                      Ignorance.
                      Bad faith.
                      And persistence in your own stupidity ...
                      Never decorated a man.
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: bayard
                        Sasha, go to school, study physics, mathematics, astronomy, read smart books, not propaganda brochures.
                        I was familiar with the participants of the Soviet lunar program, I myself took part in providing spacecraft landings and at one time I studied well at school.
                        At the university.
                        And all my life.
                        Learn.
                        And if you don't have enough time to study, then don't dirty the forum with your nonsense, don't show your obstinacy in ignorance.
                        Really, it's funny.

                        And, by the way, Fomenko is an academician in mathematics, a world-renowned scientist in his field.
                        And what have you achieved in your short life?
                        What did you do that was smart and useful that you could be proud of?
                        And what would give you the right to judge things of "cosmic significance"?
                        And you don't care that under the guise of a stone from the moon NASA gave the prince of Monaco a piece of petrified wood ...
                        After all, on a drum?
                        And he took it and gave it for examination ... lol
                        So take your drum and go to the square. Maybe at least make people laugh ...
                        Laziness.
                        Ignorance.
                        Bad faith.
                        And persistence in your own stupidity ...
                        Never decorated a man.

                        Fomenko is a charlatan and a liar, censured in all scientific circles, which he cannot be denied so in his mind, he is well fed up with the stupid of this world.
                        And your attitude towards him says much more about you than you yourself can tell.
                        You have not provided a single proof refuting the fakeness of the Amers' lunar program, only water and wind
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 12 September 2020 14: 27
                        0
                        Sasha, did you give at least one proof yourself? lol
                        Well, it's funny.
                        You've already had so many sources and PROOFs, along with well-deserved minuses, and does not penetrate the "witness Apollo" lol
                        Well, at least something.
                        Well, at least one reason to doubt ... well, at least say something SMART, worthy of dialogue.
                        How did lightning ensure the tightness of the Americans' "moonsuit"?
                        How (!!!) poor "F-1" could lift a fully fueled "Saturn-5" with a declared payload of 125 - 130 tons?
                        You are here - on the forum already and video materials have been posted, if you, a lazy person, do not want to read, so look, familiarize yourself and try to argue on the topic and with the arguments.
                        But you are an ignoramus!
                        And a bummer. request
                        It is like a vocational school student, a poor student, flaunting his deliberate stupidity and foolishness in front of the professors.
                        It looks VERY pathetic.
                        It looks like you, young man, made a mistake with the forum.
                        And the site.
                        At least initially, it was the site of the Armed Forces veterans.
                        Antics in front of educated people on the academician ... WHO ARE YOU, Sasha?
                        Have you finished school?
                        Or deducted with a certificate?
                        What have you achieved in your dull life?

                        I cannot consider myself to be Fomenko's admirers, because I am not familiar enough with his works, but he is a scientist, academician of mathematics and calculated the historical dates ASTRONOMICALLY. And my friends checked his calculations, recounted - everything turned out to be correct.
                        What have you done?
                        What is your education?
                        What are the achievements?
                        And the simplest, but also the MOST important question:
                        YOU HAVE READ HIS WORKS YOURSELF?
                        Or have you picked up clichés from parrots like you?

                        ... "Ignorance has its own face
                        And do not confuse it with anything
                        It can be mean and mean
                        To all primitive on the mountain ... "
              2. Filxnumx
                Filxnumx 11 September 2020 21: 55
                +2
                you have no proof, but the Amers have. They provided them and everyone agreed with them.

                That once again confirms that all "proof" of amers belongs exclusively to the category of faith, and not scientific confirmation. Reminds of an anecdote about the gentlemen playing cards: "And then I got flooded ...". The Powell test tube obviously taught you nothing.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 10: 11
        11
        Quote: Vol4ara

        And who is he, why should we believe him?

        Do not believe it. There is such a thing as logic.
        Here you read and comprehend what you read. What is read is included in this concept or not.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 11 September 2020 10: 23
          11 th
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Vol4ara

          And who is he, why should we believe him?

          Do not believe it. There is such a thing as logic.
          Here you read and comprehend what you read. What is read is included in this concept or not.

          Give the main points against
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 11: 20
            +3
            Quote: Vol4ara

            Give the main points against

            Against whom, what?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 11 September 2020 11: 58
              -8
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Quote: Vol4ara

              Give the main points against

              Against whom, what?

              Against flight
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 16: 06
                +4
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Against flight

                It took Mukhin to convincingly, 410 book-format pages. Do you want me, in a meek post, to convince you that the Americans did not fly to the moon? I don't have that kind of talent.
                More than one Yu.I. Mukhin wrote on this topic. Seek and find.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 12 September 2020 12: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Against flight

                  It took Mukhin to convincingly, 410 book-format pages. Do you want me, in a meek post, to convince you that the Americans did not fly to the moon? I don't have that kind of talent.
                  More than one Yu.I. Mukhin wrote on this topic. Seek and find.

                  You cannot imagine how many pages of text similar in content it took Fomenko to distort history beyond recognition. A man spent 410 pages to fit such an unpleasant story of losing the moon race, well he did not jump out of the window
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 13 September 2020 21: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: Vol4ara

                    You cannot imagine how many pages of text similar in content it took Fomenko to distort history beyond recognition.

                    I am not a supporter of Fomenko, but also not his opponent. But if you are ironic about his works, then try to subvert what he claims. For example, - Fomenko proves that the Battle of Kulikovo took place on the territory of present-day Moscow. And not in the Tula region, as the official history says. Prove, argued, that Fomenko is wrong.
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 14 September 2020 01: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Quote: Vol4ara

                      You cannot imagine how many pages of text similar in content it took Fomenko to distort history beyond recognition.

                      I am not a supporter of Fomenko, but also not his opponent. But if you are ironic about his works, then try to subvert what he claims. For example, - Fomenko proves that the Battle of Kulikovo took place on the territory of present-day Moscow. And not in the Tula region, as the official history says. Prove, argued, that Fomenko is wrong.

                      When Fomenko becomes a neurologist, I will argue with him reasonably. And let historians prove the opposite, or rather Fomenko must prove it to them, but he only puffs up, and historians laugh at him
                    2. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 14 September 2020 08: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Vol4ara

                      When Fomenko becomes a neurologist, I will argue with him reasonably. And let historians prove the opposite, or rather Fomenko must prove it to them, but he only puffs up, and historians laugh at him

                      In a word - weak. Everything is as usual - I have not read it, but I condemn it. laughing
                    3. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 14 September 2020 09: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Quote: Vol4ara

                      When Fomenko becomes a neurologist, I will argue with him reasonably. And let historians prove the opposite, or rather Fomenko must prove it to them, but he only puffs up, and historians laugh at him

                      In a word - weak. Everything is as usual - I have not read it, but I condemn it. laughing

                      No, not weak. I have not read it, it was enough to get acquainted with the main theses ... to spend time on such heresy ...
          2. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx 11 September 2020 22: 16
            +2
            Against flight

            So you have not yet proven that the Americans flew to the moon not only in their wet dreams. Tell your grandmother about film and photos, who doesn't know how to use Photoshop. You don't need "wonderful and unique F-1 engines" either, it's too difficult for you. First, take a dozen X-rays in an hour and try not a week. Good luck!
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 September 2020 10: 08
    +8
    Quote: novel xnumx
    it's high time ... read Mukhin https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=20238&p=1

    Someone did not like Mukhin, since three of them minus. And I liked his "Antiapollo". Everything is chewed.
    1. bayard
      bayard 11 September 2020 10: 58
      +9
      Yes, they did not read it, just from the sect of "Witnesses of Apollo" and "Americans are not true."
      They and the impeachment of Nixon at Watergate are still being written off ... and they listened very inattentively to Zorin's anecdote about Nixon and "his billionaire friends." And of course, we didn’t see Zorin’s Mysterious Millionaire documentary, which was supposed to consist of 3 parts, but only 2 episodes came out ... and the third was shot by the Americans themselves - about James Bond - “Diamonds Are Forever” ... where is James discovers a secret hangar where Americans are filmed on the moon ... and even steals their moon car ...
      So why was Nixon sent into disgraceful resignation?
      ... but for "writing to the common pool" ... "from a ten-meter tower" lol .
      bully
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 12: 00
        -9
        Quote: bayard
        Yes, they did not read it, just from the sect of "Witnesses of Apollo" and "Americans are not true."
        They and the impeachment of Nixon at Watergate are still being written off ... and they listened very inattentively to Zorin's anecdote about Nixon and "his billionaire friends." And of course, we didn’t see Zorin’s Mysterious Millionaire documentary, which was supposed to consist of 3 parts, but only 2 episodes came out ... and the third was shot by the Americans themselves - about James Bond - “Diamonds Are Forever” ... where is James discovers a secret hangar where Americans are filmed on the moon ... and even steals their moon car ...
        So why was Nixon sent into disgraceful resignation?
        ... but for "writing to the common pool" ... "from a ten-meter tower" lol .
        bully

        Here are adherents of common sense and adherents of reptilians, and they never flew, they puff up in helpless anger, but they cannot prove otherwise :)
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 September 2020 20: 37
        0
        Quote: bayard

        +9

        Yes, they did not read it, just from the sect of "Witnesses of Apollo" and "Americans are not true."

        Actually, you and I are wrong. Think for yourself - why should "Volchare" read Mukhin and not only? He already knows everything. The mattress covers told him everything. And what was, and what is, and even what will be. So, let's not be surprised by the wolves.
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 12 September 2020 22: 35
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Quote: novel xnumx
      it's high time ... read Mukhin https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=20238&p=1

      Someone did not like Mukhin, since three of them minus. And I liked his "Antiapollo". Everything is chewed.

      There was nothing, not Gagarin, not beep-beep-beep. No Rukysy, no moon rovers. No union-Apollo. There was not.
      The 21st century is in the yard, and most are still. And they didn't step over the 17th ... recourse
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 11 September 2020 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: novel xnumx
    it's high time ... read Mukhin https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=20238&p=1

    Kolmogorov's channel has a lot of content about this scam with a parsing of bones.
    For example
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 11 September 2020 12: 12
    -4
    We have a good dock film shown about those events. Recorded conversations of the president, interviews with participants. The film was commissioned by Kubrick in case of a failure on the Moon. They were afraid that cosmic radiation would spoil the film. But nothing happened. The Kubrick film was not needed.
    This suggests that a falsification was being prepared in case of failure.
    1. bayard
      bayard 11 September 2020 15: 00
      +2
      There was no luck there. They did not fly anywhere before the Shuttle.
      Look at the Gemeni with piano-hinged hatches.
      Technically and in fact, they could not do anything in such a time frame.
      They didn't.
      Even though we tried, Werner Von Braun screwed up.
      Spas Kubrick and agreements with the USSR.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 11 September 2020 22: 58
        +2
        Bayard, you are not Velurov, by any chance? what
        1. bayard
          bayard 12 September 2020 01: 20
          -1
          No, but it so happened in my life that for several years I took part in ensuring the landings of all spacecraft in the USSR. And "Burana" in particular. I learned about the lunar scam when I was a cadet at a military university from my friend, who grew up in Baikonur, whose father had served there since its foundation. I also had a chance to communicate with the designers of rocket and space technology who participated in the Soviet lunar program (specifically, the creation of a lunar landing module).
          And I was not specifically interested in this, and even more so I did not make it "the purpose of my life." Just a by-product of communication.
          It was a political decision to recognize the American flights as true. And those involved knew about it.
          But they were silent, as about a state secret.
          1. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper 12 September 2020 22: 43
            0
            Quote: bayard
            No, but it so happened in my life that for several years I took part in ensuring the landings of all spacecraft in the USSR. And "Burana" in particular. I learned about the lunar scam when I was a cadet at a military university from my friend, who grew up in Baikonur, whose father had served there since its foundation. I also had a chance to communicate with the designers of rocket and space technology who participated in the Soviet lunar program (specifically, the creation of a lunar landing module).
            And I was not specifically interested in this, and even more so I did not make it "the purpose of my life." Just a by-product of communication.
            It was a political decision to recognize the American flights as true. And those involved knew about it.
            But they were silent, as about a state secret.
          2. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper 12 September 2020 22: 46
            +1
            Quote: bayard
            No, but it so happened in my life that for several years I took part in ensuring the landings of all spacecraft in the USSR. And "Burana" in particular. I learned about the lunar scam when I was a cadet at a military university from my friend, who grew up in Baikonur, whose father had served there since its foundation. I also had a chance to communicate with the designers of rocket and space technology who participated in the Soviet lunar program (specifically, the creation of a lunar landing module).
            And I was not specifically interested in this, and even more so I did not make it "the purpose of my life." Just a by-product of communication.
            It was a political decision to recognize the American flights as true. And those involved knew about it.
            But they were silent, as about a state secret.

            How interesting .... Nobody pulled you by the tongue, did you?
            1. bayard
              bayard 12 September 2020 23: 08
              -1
              I did not give a subscription to keep those secrets, and it’s not a secret for a long time, and books about it have been written, and films have been shot ...
              And in our world, a lot is really not what it seems.
  • U-58
    U-58 12 September 2020 10: 11
    +1
    And what will this joining give you personally?
    Will the rebellious conscience calm down over the failure of our lunar program?
    Or will the fact of the humiliation of necromancers warm you?
    After all, by and large, the current situation will remain the same !!!!
    Including the fact that the Americans have not OFFICIALLY tried, and even now they are not trying to make excuses in some way. And, again, officially, no one demands this from them ..
    I also love Prokopenko's programs, but the truth does not change from them.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 September 2020 06: 44
    -5
    I am not a supporter of any theories or conspiracies, but a simple assumption immediately came to my mind:
    For comparison with previously mined.
    I understand that half a century for the Universe is a speck of dust, but the effect of cosmic radiation on the soil and so on, by any means, should leave any changes.
    Let them fly and take. There will be work for scientists.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 11 September 2020 08: 29
      +1
      I think the ground is the reason.
      NASA itself is not able to create anything flying for reasonable money and time.
      But private traders for such a loot in a cake will break up and do it.
      NASA will only have to choose an artist and rest on its laurels.
      Again, budget savings at the stage of project development.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 11 September 2020 08: 51
        -6
        Quote: zwlad

        NASA itself is not able to create anything flying for reasonable money and time.

        Actually, this is not his task. Like our TsAGI, for example. Well, they created something on the little things - for the implementation of their advisory functions and if it was necessary urgently, but everything else was always ordered on the side - both development and production.
        For an initial example:


        But the same picture will be in other programs. From "Mercury" to "STS" and ISS modules.
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 11 September 2020 09: 27
          -1
          Well, I'm not an expert on NASA operations, but their solution is clear and logical.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 11 September 2020 09: 58
            -6
            Quote: zwlad
            Well I'm not an expert on NASA operations

            So do I. He simply explained that NASA itself had created little, despite the design staff. They have other functions there.
            Yes, with space, they were initially more rational than ours. They immediately transferred almost all space affairs to a centralized department, and did not scatter administrative and financial issues over a bunch of departments. So we achieved success with Apollo. And here "space VVSniki" butt with clean aviators, together they - with artillerymen (launchers at cosmodromes) - explain elementary things for aviators ... And so on. Who is the customer? To whom should the money be entrusted and from whom to ask for failure?
            1. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 11 September 2020 22: 42
              0
              Quote: Avis
              So we achieved success with Apollo.

              And then for what such "successes" were W. von Braun and another 700 NASA employees dismissed in the midst of the Apollo program? https://cont.ws/@nikkuro/280471
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 11 September 2020 23: 13
                +1
                Quote: Fil743
                Quote: Avis
                So we achieved success with Apollo.

                And then for what such "successes" were W. von Braun and another 700 NASA employees dismissed in the midst of the Apollo program? https://cont.ws/@nikkuro/280471

                Wipe your eyes. "Apollo Peak" is the end of 1968-1969 - the Apollo test flights and two Moon landings. Since 1970 (the program reached a "plateau", the complex has been completed) Brown has been working at NASA with might and main. 1972 - Apollo winding down - finally, to your delight, he leaves NASA with cancer. Learn materiel.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 September 2020 06: 45
    -2
    An emergency ... their business. Ne is interesting.
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 07: 19
      -1
      but a sediment ?? hello, Vitya!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 September 2020 07: 37
        +4
        Hi Roman.
        Interestingly, it will come when whoever is on the historic landing site of the Yankees on the Moon, HAPPY !!! Most importantly, Schaub was not the Yankees themselves, but one of their "admirers"!
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 11 September 2020 06: 47
    -4
    We will find out soon or not.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 11 September 2020 07: 14
      -2
      The Chinese posted pictures, and the American lunar car, and footprints on the moon.
      1. hrych
        hrych 11 September 2020 07: 59
        +3
        Quote: Free Wind
        The Chinese posted pictures, and the American lunar car, and footprints on the moon.

        Where? On Instagram or Twitter? By the way, the Chinese themselves are lousy space falsifiers.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuM_IYt9mis
        https://youtu.be/5gSThHQ2-IE
        https://youtu.be/zSqS7aZdeUw
        https://youtu.be/2ZSOtW_ZVCs
        And here the freaks on an inflatable rubber mat depict weightlessness wassat but even gravity is in place wassat
        https://youtu.be/EI-Vp8Ks3eg
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 11 September 2020 08: 32
          0
          Tyunyaev's best not to refer to is a well-known freak.
          1. hrych
            hrych 11 September 2020 08: 37
            +4
            Quote: Bar1
            Tyunyaev's best not to refer to is a well-known freak.

            He says elementary things, but the subjective characteristic does not channel here. You believed Nixon in landing on the moon, and he was generally kicked out by impeachment by your own, as the liar of the latter. That's where the freak is wassat And so, for the naive there is always a lethal argument, they say, repeat, aaa you can't, but at the current level of technology. If you can't, then keep quiet wassat Van Allen belts take you.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 11 September 2020 08: 59
              +5
              Quote: hrych
              You believed Nixon to land on the moon

              Yes, not that you, I just know that pin_dos have not been on the moon, but it's better to refer to Doctor of Physical Sciences Popov, everything is laid out on the shelves there.
  • Reviews
    Reviews 11 September 2020 06: 48
    -3
    "This song will be eternal ...".
    Private contractors must provide rigorous proof of the ability to collect space samples, then transport them to Earth, indicating the exact location of extraction. NASA reserves the right to independently review the collection.

    NASA just ordered a new generation of AMC. But what's the point of just running around? This circus program took place already in the 1950s and 60s. To demonstrate the capabilities of new machines, they must do something meaningful on the moon during the tests. And NASA will compare the presented samples with its own. And then suddenly the developer took this handful from his backyard ...
    1. KCA
      KCA 11 September 2020 07: 18
      +4
      They had the opportunity to compare the soil sample donated by the USSR with their own, maybe somewhere in Science there were articles on this topic once upon a time, but if the amers had their own soil, now is the time for them to redistribute these articles and, so say, wash the conspiracy theorists, but no, silence
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 11 September 2020 07: 31
        10 th
        Quote: KCA
        They had the opportunity to compare the soil sample donated by the USSR with their own

        AND? I wrote about something completely different. They will compare their soil with the soil brought by a private trader.
        if the amers had their own soil

        They have it. They will be compared with him.
        1. KCA
          KCA 11 September 2020 07: 37
          +2
          You are such an adherent of the United States, the phrase "wash the conspiracy theorists", do you mean anything? Now present to the general public a comparison of our own and Soviet soil and dispel all doubts, but where? Where are these comparisons? What, the Pentagon conducted them and they are especially secret, like Olesha's analyzes?
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 September 2020 07: 55
            -8
            Quote: KCA
            You are such an adherent of the United States, the phrase "wash the conspiracy theorists", do you mean anything? Now present to the general public a comparison of our own and Soviet soil and dispel all doubts, but where? Where are these comparisons? What, the Pentagon conducted them and they are especially secret, like Olesha's analyzes?

            It seems to me to the Pentagon in parallel on the doubting Olesh, therefore he did not conduct
          2. Reviews
            Reviews 11 September 2020 08: 03
            -6
            Quote: KCA
            You are such an adherent of the USA

            I have no more questions.
          3. orionvitt
            orionvitt 11 September 2020 23: 53
            0
            Quote: KCA
            Now present to the general public a comparison of our own and Soviet soil and dispel all doubts, but where?

            Even in the small town of Zhitomir, in the museum of cosmonautics (there is one there, in memory of Korolev), there is a piece of lunar soil, like an exhibit presented to the museum by some Soviet cosmonaut, from some scientific space institute. Only a small grain of sand, but there is. And where is the American 300 kilos? No one has seen him laughing
        2. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2020 09: 10
          -3
          they don't have him, he is "lost"
      2. U-58
        U-58 11 September 2020 07: 33
        -2
        Moreover, as far as I remember, they also shared their land with us.
      3. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 11 September 2020 08: 07
        -7
        In the USSR, there were articles comparing our soil with the American one, since they gave it to us in exchange. They clearly state that the American soil is real
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 11 September 2020 23: 58
          -1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          They clearly state that the American soil is real

          They also said that by the 80th year, the Soviet people will live under communism. And How?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 12 September 2020 14: 20
            -2
            This is already in political science. And political science, like politicians, is of the same level
      4. Pavel57
        Pavel57 11 September 2020 08: 26
        +5
        NASA actively bought up the remains of meteorites around the world.

        In the lunar conspiracy theory, the USSR was also involved in the deception.
    2. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 07: 20
      +3
      will compare the presented samples with his own.

      but no own - lost 400 kg
      1. KCA
        KCA 11 September 2020 07: 33
        +1
        400kg, most likely, there was not, how much fuel is needed for delivery, but if you really did fly, then at least the same 500 grams could you get? in the end, something should have remained on the spacesuits
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2020 09: 09
          0
          according to their statements - no less!
    3. NKT
      NKT 11 September 2020 08: 06
      +1
      Yes, in the backyard, almost everyone has lunar regolith, and instead of lunar, they can slip regolith from Mercury or Mars
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 11 September 2020 08: 55
        -7
        Quote: NKT
        Yes, almost everyone has a lunar regolith in their backyard

        Eh?
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2020 09: 10
          0
          and that, well said!
    4. edmed
      edmed 11 September 2020 08: 47
      0
      Quote: Avis
      "This song will be forever ..."

      The dispute between "pointed points" and "blunt points", "were or were not", can be observed until material confirmation, "were" or "were not," is provided by an independent source, and everyone can draw pictures.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 11 September 2020 08: 58
        -4
        Quote: edmed
        until material confirmation is provided, "were" or "not", by an independent source, and everyone can draw pictures.

        Yes, you even bring the entire module from the Moon, you will still bother "they made it for half a century in the workshops! Where is the proof that it was brought from the Moon, and not from Seattle? And independent sources are in collusion! Bribed, blackmailed and, in general , in a share. ".
        1. edmed
          edmed 11 September 2020 09: 09
          +2
          Quote: Avis
          Yes, you even bring the entire module from the moon, you will still be annoying

          Why, to drag something from the Moon, enough satellite with good resolution and online broadcasting of landing sites and the question disappeared, it is desirable that the satellite was ours. "Well, this is fantastic." laughing
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 11 September 2020 09: 19
            -4
            Quote: edmed
            Quote: Avis
            Yes, you even bring the entire module from the moon, you will still be annoying

            Why, to drag something from the Moon, enough satellite with good resolution and online broadcasting of landing sites and the question disappeared, it is desirable that the satellite was ours. "Well, this is fantastic." laughing

            Then you will penetrate that "this is computer graphics, not material."
            1. edmed
              edmed 11 September 2020 09: 26
              -2
              Quote: Avis
              Then you will penetrate that "this is computer graphics, not material."

              Well, because "Thomas the unbeliever, until I put my fingers on, I will not believe", amid this "white noise" yes
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 11 September 2020 09: 59
                -3
                Quote: edmed

                Well, because "Thomas the unbeliever, until I put my fingers on, I will not believe", amid this "white noise" yes

                Nude ...
                1. edmed
                  edmed 11 September 2020 11: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Avis
                  Nude ...

                  "Blessed is he who believes, he is warm ...", the descendants will establish the truth if they can, and since then you can butt in "tyrnete", no offense wink
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 11 September 2020 12: 12
                    -7
                    Quote: edmed

                    "Blessed is he who believes, he is warm ...", the descendants will establish the truth if they can, and since then you can butt in "tyrnete", no offense wink

                    I am not going to butt with the sectarian: the fight is lost in advance - unlike him, my skull is not all-oak.
                    1. edmed
                      edmed 11 September 2020 13: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Avis
                      I am not going to butt with the sectarian: the fight is lost in advance - unlike him, my skull is not all-oak.

                      Hmm ... When there is nothing to say, let us become personal, fight your opponents from the opposite sect with your whole-oak foreheads, "ichtam was", "ichtamne was", arguments that those that are not worth anything without material evidence.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 12 September 2020 00: 12
          +1
          Quote: Avis
          Yes, you even bring the entire module from the moon

          Have you seen it, the lunar module, in its entirety? There are astronautics museums in the United States, with diagrams and drawings. And you will tell that it, took off from the moon, entered the lunar orbit, made a docking with the orbital module. And that's all with 287 kg of fuel, so to speak, everything about everything. And then it also returned to earth. laughing
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 12 September 2020 06: 31
            0
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: Avis
            Yes, you even bring the entire module from the moon

            Have you seen it, the lunar module, in its entirety?

            Well, here, CHTD.
            I will not even comment on the rest of your nonsense, learn the materiel.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 13 September 2020 08: 32
              0
              Quote: Avis
              I will not even comment on the rest of your nonsense, learn the materiel.

              Well, first of all, this is not my "nonsense", but data from official sources. And secondly, about the materiel, I would like to know who you are by profession? If a free blogger, then everything is clear.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 13 September 2020 08: 42
                -1
                Quote: orionvitt
                Quote: Avis
                I will not even comment on the rest of your nonsense, learn the materiel.

                Well, first of all, this is not my "nonsense", but data from official sources. And secondly, about the materiel, I would like to know who you are by profession? If a free blogger, then everything is clear.

                Of course, not yours, you can't even give birth to nonsense on your own :), just mastered "Ctrl-C + Ctrl-V". Teach materiel, malcheg. Although, first you need to learn at least one language so that you can read at least something on the topic. And you only know the internet argo. "287 kg of fuel", damn it ... :)))
                1. orionvitt
                  orionvitt 13 September 2020 08: 50
                  +1
                  Are you delirious in the morning? Or are you struggling with impotent anger?
                  Takeoff stage characteristics

                  Weight, including fuel: 4670 kg.
                  Cabin atmosphere: 100% oxygen, pressure 33 kPa.
                  Water: two tanks of 19,3 kg.
                  Cooler: 11,3 kg ethylene glycol-water solution.
                  Temperature control: one active sublimator (heat exchanger) "water-ice".
                  Engines of the attitude control system (DSO):
                  Fuel weight: 287 kg.
                  The number and thrust of the DSO: 16 × 445 N in four assemblies.
                  DSO fuel: dinitrogen tetroxide N2O4 - oxidizing agent; aerosin-50 (asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (CH3) 2NNH2 + hydrazine (NH2) 2) - fuel.
                  Specific impulse of DSO: 2,84 km / s.
                  Takeoff engine:
                  Fuel weight: 2353 kg.
                  Link: 15,6 kN.
                  Fuel: N2O4 / aerosin-50.
                  Pressurization system: 2 × 2,9 kg helium tanks, pressure 21 MPa.
                  Specific impulse: 3,05 km / s (311 seconds).
                  Takeoff thrust-to-weight ratio: 2,124.
                  Characteristic speed (delta-v) of the take-off stage: 2220 m / s.
                  Batteries: two 28-32 volts, 296 Ah, silver-zinc; 56,7 kg each.
                  On-board network: 28 volts DC; 115 volts, 400 Hz - alternating current.
                  LPRE RS-18.
                  Okay, a bit confused, not 287, but 2353. Anyway, not real. so who are you (are you) by profession? wink
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 13 September 2020 09: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    Are you delirious in the morning? Or are you struggling with impotent anger?

                    Okay, a bit confused, not 287, but 2353.

                    "A little"? :) Well, who is raving and "beating" here? Exactly you. "A little" is an order of magnitude error? "A bit" - is it to "confuse" a cruising SU and a shunting one? Look, you're a real degenerate. That I also wrote from the very beginning.
                    Go teach your lessons, shkoloton, otherwise tomorrow you still have to go to school, again you will disgrace yourself in front of the whole class.
                    1. orionvitt
                      orionvitt 13 September 2020 09: 05
                      -1
                      Prospis. And yet, who are you by profession? Something tells me that something is humanitarian. And about the "shkolota". Smiled. laughing
                      1. Reviews
                        Reviews 13 September 2020 09: 12
                        0
                        Quote: orionvitt
                        Prospis. And yet, who are you by profession? Something tells me that something is humanitarian. And about the "shkolota". Smiled. laughing

                        Smile, this is helpful. Tomorrow in class you will cry, but this is your problem.
                      2. orionvitt
                        orionvitt 13 September 2020 09: 22
                        -1
                        I’m up to retirement, already a bit, but you’ll grow wiser, it’s not shining. Unfortunately. ... To paraphrase Nietzsche (about rotten fruits on a tree), "many were fools in their youth, but some remained, just old do ... mi". With which I congratulate you
                      3. Reviews
                        Reviews 13 September 2020 09: 33
                        0
                        Quote: orionvitt
                        I'm up to retirement, already a bit

                        For you, "a bit" is "1/10" (200+ kg to be confused with 2+ tons; and even then I did not realize that they did not start with these two tons to the Earth), which means that here the picture is the same - years 60-70 before you retire. So, don't lie to your elders, malcheg and not about ... uh ... smile at homework, otherwise you will actually cry at the blackboard tomorrow. Or do you still go to kindergarten?
                      4. orionvitt
                        orionvitt 13 September 2020 09: 39
                        -1
                        Yes, you already got the "theoretical". It doesn't matter if it's 200 or 2000 tons of fuel. It's not real anyway. I have worked most of my life on testing aircraft engines (not rocket engines), but I know the theory very well, education allows. So are you by profession? However, it is no longer essential. Better shut up already
                      5. Reviews
                        Reviews 13 September 2020 09: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: orionvitt
                        Yes, you already got the "theoretical". It doesn't matter if it is 200 or 2000 tons of fuel.

                        Well, here we go again. Boy, 2000 tons almost the entire launch mass of the Saturn-5-Apollo complex. Well, stop disgracing yourself, shkoloton.
                        And tie up a lie. You have never even seen a motor in your toy "Bibika", not to mention an aircraft engine and do not distinguish a trough from a pig trough. Otherwise, I would not be carrying nonsense about 200kg and the inability to take off with 2 tons. Go teach your lessons, I'm telling you for the third time.
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 12 September 2020 00: 16
    0
    Quote: Avis
    And then suddenly the developer took this handful from his backyard ...

    And if it turns out that the Customer "took"?
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 12 September 2020 06: 31
      -1
      Quote: Fil743
      Quote: Avis
      And then suddenly the developer took this handful from his backyard ...

      And if it turns out that the Customer "took"?

      Then you will yell.
  • Yngvar
    Yngvar 11 September 2020 06: 58
    0
    I'd rather believe the Chinese! Hollywood works well, NASA successfully throws moon dust in the eyes ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2020 07: 21
      +1
      "moon dust" in the eyes ...

      well said, meticulously noted good
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 08: 01
        -9
        Quote: novel xnumx
        "moon dust" in the eyes ...

        well said, meticulously noted good

        And the Soviet Union believed and recognized :)
        1. Yngvar
          Yngvar 11 September 2020 08: 14
          +3
          The Soviet Union pretended to believe and admit!
          1. novel66
            novel66 11 September 2020 09: 08
            0
            this is true! good
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 September 2020 09: 22
            -7
            Quote: Yngvar
            The Soviet Union pretended to believe and admit!

            What is your evidence?
            1. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 12 September 2020 00: 52
              +1
              Did the USSR rise from the ashes?
              Physicists in the 19th century recognized the presence of aether and caloric and then got bogged down. And you are trying to prove that the fact of recognition of an action by the state (and, moreover, having descended, alas, from the political scene) as a purely political act suddenly becomes a scientific fact in the absence of rigorous scientific evidence.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 12 September 2020 13: 12
                -1
                Quote: Fil743
                Did the USSR rise from the ashes?
                Physicists in the 19th century recognized the presence of aether and caloric and then got bogged down. And you are trying to prove that the fact of recognition of an action by the state (and, moreover, having descended, alas, from the political scene) as a purely political act suddenly becomes a scientific fact in the absence of rigorous scientific evidence.

                The fact of recognition by other states, including completely hostile, in the presence of strict scientific evidence
  • Hog
    Hog 11 September 2020 07: 11
    -7
    After reading the comments, only one conclusion can be drawn, Ren-TV must be blocked as soon as possible.
    not only rocks and dust, but also moon ice

    Nobody thought that these materials were needed for new research, and it is impossible to use images of half a century ago for this.
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 11 September 2020 08: 25
      -1
      Well, what are you talking about Ren-TV then? Everyone goes crazy in their own way! Under pivasik with vobla, it’s even nothing ... About other channels, so even with vodka is sickening!
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 11 September 2020 09: 01
      -6
      Quote: Hog
      After reading the comments, only one conclusion can be drawn, Ren-TV must be blocked as soon as possible.

      "Who will plant him ?! He is a monument!" The duped people are beneficial to the state. On the contrary, hrent-tv at one time was provided with carte blanche and recharge, judging by the speed with which they spread their tentacles on local TV channels. The same, once not bad, journalist Prokopenko too briskly changed his color and switched from military affairs to reptilians. They don't go crazy that fast.
  • U-58
    U-58 11 September 2020 07: 30
    -6
    This is not an argument.
    Surely the soil is needed from specially agreed places, most likely from the poles of the Month. So it is quite a normal question, to a "conspiracy", or rather to a slander, which has nothing to do with it.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 September 2020 07: 31
    +2
    OOPS! And Shaw, have they already run out of THAT soil? laughing
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 08: 02
      -9
      Quote: Captive
      OOPS! And Shaw, have they already run out of THAT soil? laughing

      Phobos soil? Yes long ago "ended"
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 September 2020 08: 08
      +1
      And earth geologists, who have been taking soil samples from the Earth for more than a thousand years, are constantly running out of thousands of tons of past soil?
  • krops777
    krops777 11 September 2020 07: 31
    +5
    NASA says it intends to use the services of private companies to deliver up to 500 grams of samples of lunar materials, including lunar dust, to Earth for further laboratory research.


    500g and where are the hundreds of kilograms brought earlier? It seems to me alone that NASA is constantly somehow indistinctly making excuses or keeping silent.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 September 2020 08: 08
      -8
      NASA's Lunar Soil repository, just needs samples from elsewhere on the Moon
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 September 2020 07: 33
    +1
    However, this is suggestive of a cosmic-scale striped lie.
  • Ham
    Ham 11 September 2020 07: 36
    +5
    no one has ever seen the lunar soil that the Americans allegedly brought from the moon during the Apollo mission ... no one! and as they argued, they delivered about 300 kg to the ground ...
    the soil that was delivered by ours was literally divided into 10 grams and distributed to scientific centers in different countries where it is stored to this day ...
    but no one has seen the soil "delivered" by the amers
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 08: 04
      -7
      Quote: Ham
      no one has ever seen the lunar soil that the Americans allegedly brought from the moon during the Apollo mission ... no one! and as they argued, they delivered about 300 kg to the ground ...
      the soil that was delivered by ours was literally divided into 10 grams and distributed to scientific centers in different countries where it is stored to this day ...
      but no one has seen the soil "delivered" by the amers

      And you go to the museum of cosmonautics and look at the lunar soil that the United States gave to the USSR, that will be a surprise, huh?
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 September 2020 08: 09
      -6
      For example, at VDNKh in the Museum of Cosmonautics there is American soil transferred to the USSR, you can go and see
      1. Ham
        Ham 11 September 2020 08: 26
        +3
        Are you sure that there is "lunar soil"? there is good reason to believe that the American "lunar soil" is a fake!
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 11 September 2020 08: 33
          -8
          Soviet scientists in their works claim that he is real.
          Do you, as I understand it, base your position on the fantasies of one American?
          1. KCA
            KCA 11 September 2020 09: 36
            -6
            According to one theory, the Moon is part of the Earth, knocked into orbit by a giant meteorite, and digging rocks somewhere in Iceland, you can pass it off as lunar soil
            1. borberd
              borberd 11 September 2020 10: 47
              -1
              Quote: KCA
              According to one theory, the moon is part of the earth,


              According to one of the theories, the Earth is generally flat, it lies on 3 elephants, which, in turn, stand on a giant turtle named Great Attuin. And how is this theory worse than yours?
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 11 September 2020 11: 52
                -4
                Quote: borberd
                Quote: KCA
                According to one theory, the moon is part of the earth,

                Why is this theory worse than yours?

                No, everything is correct here: indeed, the hypothesis that the Moon is an ejection of impact material from the proto-Earth is now supported by most astronomers. Another question is that any Losers are not aware that the conditions on the Moon and Earth have been different for all these billions of years and the surface rocks bear traces of the influence of the vacuum environment (brought by both us and the Apollo), and the underlying layers (only Apollo ") - are not carried and can be compared with terrestrial samples with appropriate conclusions. These are the Losers and they scream that "anenibylalune !!!"
              2. KCA
                KCA 11 September 2020 14: 03
                -3
                Astro-World website, if interested, read the article, there:
                The question of how the moon appeared is very interesting.

                In fact, scientists do not yet have an unambiguous answer on this matter. But there are several versions, for sure one of them will turn out to be correct in the end. Therefore, we will consider the most likely ones.

                All hypotheses come down to one of three situations:

                The Earth and the Moon formed from one protoplanetary cloud separately.
                The Earth took over the Moon, which flew nearby, but in fact formed somewhere else.
                The Earth collided with a huge body, possibly another planet. Our satellite was formed from the earth material and debris thrown out during the collision.
            2. U-58
              U-58 11 September 2020 14: 51
              -1
              The theory is already being refuted, Exactly this year.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 11 September 2020 11: 33
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Soviet scientists in their works claim that he is real.

            So real lunar soil is found on Earth, which fell from the Moon over billions of years - it was even found in Antarctic ice. Yes, and our lunar rover brought lunar soil, so that the Americans could deliver real lunar soil without landing astronauts on the Moon - couldn't this be?
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 11 September 2020 12: 01
              -6
              Quote: ccsr
              our lunar rover brought lunar soil

              Yeah. With special tracks with vacuum couplings.
            2. U-58
              U-58 11 September 2020 14: 50
              -3
              So did you bring it? I'm embarrassed to ask where I brought it? Directly to the doors of the lunar base?))))
              Oh yes Lunokhod! Maladtsa! ..
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 11 September 2020 19: 14
                0
                Quote: U-58
                I'm embarrassed to ask where I brought it?

                A special device delivered to Earth, and the lunar rover left traces - you don't think well ...
                "How the soil was first delivered from the moon"
                https://oeru.ru/kak-dostavili-vpervye-grunt-iz-luny-1970g/
                1. U-58
                  U-58 11 September 2020 20: 22
                  -4
                  Well, or you are young and illiterate in the history of astronautics (and this is forgivable, because it is not fatal),
                  or you are an age-old ignoramus casting your shadow over the fence.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 11 September 2020 12: 08
          -5
          Quote: Ham
          Are you sure that there is "lunar soil"? there is good reason to believe that the American "lunar soil" is a fake!

          Are you sure he's not? If there is evidence, please provide it
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 September 2020 07: 38
    -5
    Once Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov was asked if he believed that the Americans were on the moon.
    Leonov replied in the sense that you need to be a complete eccentric to doubt this.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 September 2020 08: 05
      -9
      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      Once Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov was asked if he believed that the Americans were on the moon.
      Leonov replied in the sense that you need to be a complete eccentric to doubt this.

      Plus you
    2. Avior
      Avior 11 September 2020 08: 17
      -1
      For supporters of the lunar conspiracy theory, Leonov is not an authority. They say he, you know, sold out to the Americans. smile
      Interestingly, there is at least one astronaut who denies the fact of flights to the moon?
      As the conspiracy theory is silent about it.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 11 September 2020 11: 40
      +5
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Leonov replied in the sense that you need to be a complete eccentric to doubt this.

      Doesn't it bother you, along with Leonov, that no one in the world could receive a live TV signal from the Moon, except for the Americans? Moreover, they even got scared to run the received television signal after conversion in the television network - why would it be? What the whole world saw was only filmed from a large screen in Houston with television cameras and then disseminated by television companies. So the primary lunar TV signal not only came with a delay in the television network, but in general, in fact, was not the signal that the Americans themselves received. But no one really knows what they were really taking, because they did not save materials on magnetic media. It is strange, considering that it was "the first step of mankind on the moon" ....
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2020 12: 09
        -9
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Leonov replied in the sense that you need to be a complete eccentric to doubt this.

        Doesn't it bother you, along with Leonov, that no one in the world could receive a live TV signal from the Moon, except for the Americans? Moreover, they even got scared to run the received television signal after conversion in the television network - why would it be? What the whole world saw was only filmed from a large screen in Houston with television cameras and then disseminated by television companies. So the primary lunar TV signal not only came with a delay in the television network, but in general, in fact, was not the signal that the Americans themselves received. But no one really knows what they were really taking, because they did not save materials on magnetic media. It is strange, considering that it was "the first step of mankind on the moon" ....

        Provide proof of your words
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 12 September 2020 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Provide proof of your words

          Or maybe it's easier for you to learn something yourself? To begin with, I recommend at least to figure it out:
          TELEMETRY IN ROCKET AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY
          MULTIFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM OF COMMUNICATION WITH SPACE SHIP "APOLLON"
          R.V. Moorehead, J. D. Arndt
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 12 September 2020 20: 20
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Provide proof of your words

            Or maybe it's easier for you to learn something yourself? To begin with, I recommend at least to figure it out:
            TELEMETRY IN ROCKET AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY
            MULTIFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM OF COMMUNICATION WITH SPACE SHIP "APOLLON"
            R.V. Moorehead, J. D. Arndt

            And? how does this refute the presence of amers on the moon?

            PS you were answered there below, you would not hurt to study it yourself
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 12 September 2020 20: 29
              +1
              Quote: Vol4ara
              And? how does this refute the presence of amers on the moon?

              If you carefully study this work, then you will understand that simultaneously the television signal, telemetry and speech could not come from the moon. But I think that such works are simply too tough for you. By the way, the Americans were not going to use radio telescopes at all, and the efficiency of the Australian radio telescope was at the level of 50-52% of an antenna with a solid mirror. Do you understand anything about this so that you can competently answer the questions that experts asked the Americans?
      2. Avior
        Avior 12 September 2020 00: 23
        +1
        these frames?

        it would be nice to see confirmation of your statements.
        but in any case, this broadcast to Earth could not simply be received. do you know how you received a signal from the moon?
        on such a plate

        with special converter

        here are all the details of the broadcast.
        https://habr.com/ru/post/396189/
        On the moon, the Americans filmed on film, it survived.
        In 2009, a NASA spokesman said that the original video of the first landing on the Moon (45 spools of magnetic tape related to the Apollo 11 expedition), made on Earth, was lost (although copies survived, as well as the original video recordings of all other expeditions) [14]. Despite the loss of the original terrestrial video recording of the broadcast, the original recordings made by the Apollo 11 crew directly on the Moon on 16-mm film have been completely preserved.

        hi
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 12 September 2020 20: 19
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          on such a plate

          Do you even know how a perforated parabolic antenna differs from a solid surface parabolic antenna? This antenna was not for receiving television signals from the moon, but was used as a radio telescope to work with completely different millimeter-wave signals.
          Quote: Avior
          with special converter

          The Americans brought this converter to Australia a month before the astronauts disembarked. If you had even the slightest idea of ​​such a technique, then you would know that it would take them more than one month just to study all the spurious emissions and industrial interference in that region, so that during reception of a signal with a very low energy level, it can be would stand out against the background of other radio emissions.
          Quote: Avior
          On the moon, the Americans filmed on film, it survived.

          It was possible to shoot in a television studio on Earth on this tape. By the way, do you know to what temperature any equipment heats up on the moon within 3-5 minutes under the sun's rays in the absence of an atmosphere? Where are the protective thermal insulating covers for photographic equipment and film cameras - can you explain in a popular way?
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 September 2020 22: 39
            0
            "There are shpies with a strong body - you are at the door, they are at the window!"
            Remember the lines?
            It's like our conversation.
            I answered you one question, you piled a dozen more :)))
            Not one bothered to present evidence.
            Or at least read the link I dropped for you.
            The broadcast was received not only in Australia, and there was a noise filter.
            And the converter was needed, as it was taken just on the "plates"
            That is why it was difficult for others to accept, the places in the strip got specific, there was no one to take there and there was nothing.
            And you continue to watch and expose the insidious intrigues of imperialism .... :)))
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 13 September 2020 10: 55
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              I answered you one question, you piled up a dozen more:

              Because I became interested in these issues even when the USSR did not speak about it openly - I just saw a program on the Americans' lunar scam on West German television in the eighties, and there they showed many inconsistencies in their version. We began to talk about this widely only in the nineties, and even then mostly journalists reported about it in the media.
              Quote: Avior
              The broadcast was received not only in Australia, and there was a noise filter.
              And the converter was needed, as it was taken just on the "plates"

              If I myself had not taken part in the flight-design tests of "Almazov", I might have taken seriously what you write about. And so for me you are just another poorly versed person in this matter, who piously believes in an American fairy tale.
              Quote: Avior
              That is why it was difficult for others to accept, the places in the strip got specific, there was no one to take there and there was nothing.

              Yes, not because, as you explain, but because at the time of the television sessions of the first landing on the moon, all European and Soviet receiving centers were outside the radio visibility zone and did not have the equipment to receive these signals. So it was "not difficult", and they could not receive these signals at all. You at least figure it out with this first and read the work of Shuneiko, everything is described there.
              1. Avior
                Avior 13 September 2020 12: 08
                0
                That's what I wrote about. It is difficult to receive in an area with no radio visibility.
                There was no one to receive. And nowhere.
                And there is nothing.
                But you tried to present the fact of the lack of reception as proof of the deception of the Americans. We figured out now that this is not any proof. So what?
                You have piled new "evidence" in response.
                NASA has 26 photos from the Moon and a large number of videos.
                Any of the pictures, even if one is found, confirms the falsity of the conspiracy theory, if it cannot be proved that it was falsified. So prove it. The work is not an open edge. smile
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 13 September 2020 16: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  But you tried to present the fact of the lack of reception as proof of the deception of the Americans.

                  The Americans, unlike you, knew this in advance, which is why they chose Australia, and not the territory of the United States, for example.
                  Quote: Avior
                  ... We figured out now that this is not any proof. So what?

                  You are clearly not in the subject, because it would never have occurred to anyone in their right mind to take equipment abroad to receive and process such an important signal. It was too serious a program to entrust the reception of signals to the equipment of a foreign country, especially since all the support lay with the Australians. By the way, here's how the Americans themselves describe this situation:
                  Almost the entire output of Armstrong and Aldrin was broadcast from the "picture" taken in Parks. However, in the first few minutes, the height of the moon above the horizon was insufficient for high-quality reception, and the air was mixed with images from Goldstone and Honisuckle Creek. It was this small Australian station that was on the air when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the lunar surface. "

                  And you call this a serious preparation for a world-class event? Oh well...

                  Quote: Avior
                  Any of the pictures, even if there is one, confirms the falsity of the conspiracy theory,

                  You are too naive about publishing false documents or photographs - even the Americans admitted that many of them were taken in studios. The only question is - WHY was it done?
                  Quote: Avior
                  So prove it.

                  Why should I prove to someone, if the majority does not even imagine how it all happened, but firmly believes in the writings of the Americans. Stay with your opinion, perhaps if you are seriously interested in this, then you will also have questions about the official version.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 13 September 2020 16: 43
                    +1
                    I read your questions carefully.
                    None of them question the credibility of American flights to the moon. There is nothing to discuss. Moreover, the flight was far from one.
                    Languages
                    Are you aware that there is no proof of Gagarin's flight into space?
                    There is no photo, video, no one outsider watched Gagarin take off, no one saw that Gagarin landed in a spaceship, and now it is already known that he was in the ship and did not land, moreover, the ship constructively did not allow landing with a man on board, there is no photo or video of his being on board the ship in flight, now it is known that the flight of the ship took place completely in automatic mode and Gagarin did not participate in the control of the ship - this is where the rampant for lovers of conspiracy theories:)))))) ......
  • Avior
    Avior 11 September 2020 07: 40
    0
    Lunar soil samples are of secondary importance, otherwise they would indicate an exact and specific collection site or location.
    NASA is trying to get a cheap ship to fly to the moon with the help of privateers.
    Apparently, the experience of orbital flights of private traders, who ensured a reduction in the cost of launches and a breakthrough in astronautics, is considered so positive that they want to extend it to lunar flights.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 11 September 2020 08: 35
      -2
      I completely and completely agree with you.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 08: 17
    0
    Ha, where is the center of the stones from the Moon that the Apollo brought?
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 September 2020 08: 23
    0
    I can. I have him dofig at the dacha. But you need an advance payment. Millions 500-800. Dollars. And the container.
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 12 September 2020 00: 21
      +1
      Selling lunar soil cheaply, wholesale. Pickup from the moon. Contact tel. 322-23-33. laughing
  • v_bueff
    v_bueff 11 September 2020 08: 27
    +4
    How long the string (fairy tale) does not last, but there is an end. America's "lunar power" fits well into collusion and badly into Vietnamese infirmity.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 08: 28
    +1
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Once Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov was asked if he believed that the Americans were on the moon.
    Leonov replied in the sense that you need to be a complete eccentric to doubt this.

    Once Alexei Arkhipovich let slip when he was asked if it was possible to fly to the Moon, he replied that it was not due to radiation above 500 km. above the ground.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 September 2020 08: 49
      -3
      Can you give a link to the recording of how he "let it slip"?
      hi
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 September 2020 09: 05
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      Once Alexei Arkhipovich let slip when he was asked if it was possible to fly to the Moon, he replied that it was not due to radiation above 500 km. above the ground.

      How, then, were our people going to fly to the moon?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 08: 32
    +6
    Quote: Vol4ara
    And you go to the museum of cosmonautics and look at the lunar soil that the United States gave to the USSR, that will be a surprise, huh?

    The Americans showed a lot of things in test tubes - like believe us.
    1. TriA
      TriA 11 September 2020 14: 27
      +6
      Even now they just talk and that's it. And no evidence ever.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 08: 54
    -3
    Quote: Avior
    Can you give a link to the recording of how he "let it slip"?

    I didn’t make an entry, maybe it’s in the archive, we have to look.

    And about Leonov - was there a Soyuz-Apollo flight, or rather a Soyuz, but Apollo was not.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 September 2020 09: 00
    +2
    In Chelyabinsk, in the museum, there is a cobblestone - the same meteorite that invigorates in the morning. Therefore, no one argues about the meteorite. But if this cobblestone was not in the museum, then the Americans would probably say that it was the Russians who were testing new weapons over their cities! Now let the Americans, as proof that they were on the moon, show at least 100 grams of 380 kg. lunar soil. Until they show, they were not on the MOON !!
    1. Alexey Z
      Alexey Z 11 September 2020 20: 54
      -2
      Are you sure it's that meteorite?
    2. Avior
      Avior 12 September 2020 00: 31
      0
      Here they showed the Russian cosmonauts. Will you believe the violin? smile

      https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 September 2020 09: 18
    +1
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    How, then, were our people going to fly to the moon?


    Good question, but at least we had a real rocket.
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  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 September 2020 11: 26
    +4
    Lunar soil cannot be evidence of human flight to the Moon. The USSR did not send astronauts to the moon, but it does have lunar soil.
    The Saturn engine is much more interesting. It is reported that the documentation for it is lost, it makes no sense to restore the technology, etc.
    But in fact, this engine physically cannot exist. It has combustion chambers of 98 cm in size, there are 5 of them in total, together they develop a certain power. In chambers of such volume it is not possible to carry out uniform combustion. Therefore, such an engine cannot be created. In modern engines, combustion chambers are much smaller.
    It is impossible to fly from the Moon, enter the Earth's atmosphere and splash down at a point measuring 10 by 10 km 5 times in a row, as the Apollo did. When the orbital station was vaulted, the Americans themselves missed by 1300 km. And from the moon to the point ?! Impossible!
    And there are a number of technical issues that modern technology has not reached, NASA cannot explain this, so there are doubts. And the lunar soil, the flag, corner reflectors, whether people flew to the area or not, have nothing to do with it.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 11 September 2020 12: 53
      +2
      glory1974 (glory), there is a list of many points that casts reasonable doubt on the lunar venture of the Americans.

      Rocket, engine, radiation, no toilet, return from zero gravity, photographs and filming, ground, disappearance of documentation and original photos, etc.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 13 September 2020 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: Pavel57
        Rocket, engine, radiation, no toilet, return from zero gravity, photographs and filming, ground, disappearance of documentation and original photos, etc.

        There is another element of the Americans' lunar program, which they leave without detailed comments and try not to explain it to the meticulous researchers of this event. As you know, the lunar module landing training was unsuccessful on Earth, but nevertheless, they claim that the astronauts allegedly worked it all out on simulators.
        Let it be so, and we can conditionally agree with their version. But how they carried out the launch from the moon and docking in lunar orbit is a question of questions for any specialist. After all, any literate person understands that even during launches from Earth, where everything is verified to a millimeter at cosmodromes and the flight is constantly corrected, there are mistakes for various reasons, and as a result, docking in orbit does not occur - there are dozens of such examples. And on the Moon it is not known with what accuracy the module was in relation to the axes, how the weight of the apparatus was distributed, and in the absence of fuel reserves for maneuvering, they suddenly dashingly fall into the orbital module docking station from the "first poke" and so on several times in a row. Most experts are of the opinion that this element of the program is two orders of magnitude higher in complexity of execution than everything else in the Apollo program, and no matter how the Americans sell us their version, hardly anyone will believe that this element can be worked out on simulators.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 53
        0
        Yes, there are many facts and not connections. I have identified only a few of the most famous in technical terms.
    2. U-58
      U-58 11 September 2020 14: 44
      -2
      You are a specialist in combustion theory! Do you know the physical model of the nozzle flow?
      Do you understand celestial mechanics and ballistics?
      Then why do you compare the landing of the descent vehicle with the deorbiting of the station? It's like comparing the French Revolution and drip irrigation in Israel
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 15 September 2020 08: 59
        -1
        It's like comparing the French Revolution and drip irrigation in Israel

        We can say that watering in Israel is truly revolutionary. wassat
        I am not an expert in this field, can you be a specialist and can you explain these things to me? I will be grateful to you.
        Then why do you compare the landing of the descent vehicle with the deorbiting of the station?

        Because the splashdown of the descent vehicle, which flew hundreds of thousands of kilometers away, is an order of magnitude more difficult compared to the deorbiting of the station. And if from orbit they have now learned to fall into a strip twenty kilometers wide and up to 500 kilometers long. , then with the descent vehicle everything is much more complicated and it is still impossible to calculate it. How they did it 50 years ago, a mystery to which no one can give an answer, except for you probably ...
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  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 September 2020 13: 12
    +3
    So I looked at the number of cons of my first comment (the first in this thread) and laughed for a long time. Are there so many people here who do not believe that the state might want to spur technical progress on its territory? Maybe then, at the same time, we will begin to refute the fact that the development of missiles has begun to replace the antediluvian "trident"? Technologies are close laughing
    And what's wrong with organizing an unofficial competition to create a new rocket? The fact that "they weren't there" or "they were there, so they know everything"?
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 11 September 2020 16: 40
    0
    REN-TV branch in comments laughing
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 11 September 2020 17: 37
    0
    And where did the three with a centner tail?)) Radishes ...
  • Iris
    Iris 11 September 2020 23: 34
    0
    Firstly, vehicles heavier than air are not capable of flying, as the Ancient Greeks knew.
    Secondly, it is well known that even if such a flight were possible, the rocket would inevitably crash against the crystal Dome of Heaven.
    Therefore, of course, there could not have been any flights to the moon.
    Moreover, American ones.
  • Charik
    Charik 12 September 2020 00: 18
    +1
    300 kilos sniffed out-and 500g is so a weekly dose laughing
  • sen
    sen 12 September 2020 06: 36
    0
    It is necessary to proceed from the then state of the art and the required number of trials and errors in launching spaceships. There are no miracles. What could the United States really do? Land the uninhabited module on the moon and play the VCR over the transmitter. Reflectors deliver and autonomous lunar rover.
    Interesting articles about American lunar soil:
    https://www.kramola.info/vesti/kosmos/rol-rukovodstva-sssr-v-lunnoy-afyore-nasa-chast-1-mistifikaciya
    https://www.kramola.info/vesti/kosmos/rol-rukovodstva-sssr-v-lunnoy-afyore-nasa-chast-2-analiz-lunnogo-grunta-ne-provodit
  • Shahno
    Shahno 12 September 2020 13: 45
    0
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Civil
    I believe the USSR, which controlled the flights of NASA, I believe China, whose satellite recently photographed the Apollo landing site. And you military comrades do not turn into crazy bucks on the bench with an overdose of rentals.
    phot landing from a Chinese satellite:

    There is a specific contingent of experts, here they would rather believe in reptilians and flat earth than in the US lunar program, and some already do so. Scientists of the USSR are confident, scientists of the Russian Federation are confident, cosmonauts are confident, the leadership of the USSR and the Russian Federation are confident, but the expert will break the board, but will not believe :) they are impolite, what to take from them :)

    Opinions are simply expressed here. Since something important is more difficult to understand .. Everything is already clear. Entropy wins in the allocated area. "-" denial of the idea (disorder), "+" - acceptance.
    Well, this is just in case someone decides that I am a "bot" good
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 17: 06
    -3
    In terms of the number of Ozarentsi, our country is clearly taking the lead. Under the influence of semi-official propagandons, brains are successfully atrophied.
  • demo
    demo 12 September 2020 18: 52
    +1
    China is ready.
    Tomorrow.
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