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Kurchenko killed the head of the DPR Zakharchenko? A few words about the "investigation"

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To be remembered?



In the Donetsk segment of the Internet, the "investigation" that appeared recently on the website donbass.baza.io, devoted to the death of the first head of the DPR Alexander Zakharchenko and the role that the fugitive Ukrainian oligarch Sergei Kurchenko, who controls the notorious Vneshtorgservice CJSC, allegedly played in the tragedy, is vividly discussed.

It should be emphasized right away: Kurchenko is indeed an evil genius who caused (and, unfortunately, continues to cause) irreparable damage to the LPNR; his involvement in the murder of Zakharchenko is quite possible, although not mandatory. And, of course, one cannot but agree that Kurchenko's malicious activities would have been impossible without the help of the so-called curators, who for many years blessed the oligarch to plunder Donbass and are doing so to this day.

This is all true. But the "investigation" itself is clearly blinded on the knee and sins with a very specific presentation of information, in which the late Zakharchenko and his entourage, including even the odious Timofeyev (Tashkent), look like such heroic fighters for people's happiness, who challenged the capitalist hydra and lost. And everything was, alas, not so beautiful at all.

Who benefits?


First of all, it should be noted that the authors of the material did not provide any documentary evidence of their hypotheses, except for the evidence of screenshots of "payments", the reliability of which raises reasonable doubts. It is also noteworthy that the sources on which the authors rely are of a specific nature: Meduza, RBC, Znak, the Ukrainian SBU, etc. Probably, if it was a real investigation or an attempt to harm Kurchenko, everything looked would be much more serious.

It is extremely doubtful that a slander of this level (published on a homemade website, and not in any serious publication) can somehow harm Sergey Kurchenko.

Who would benefit from creating and distributing this article over the networks? Only one thought comes to mind: Kazakov and Prilepin, who are now promoting their political party For Truth. Why otherwise publish on the eve of the elections a text that presents in a favorable light not only Zakharchenko, but also his retinue, to which quite a lot of space is devoted?

Do you want to know what they did together with the head of the DPR (now deceased) Prilepin and Kazakov? Read the book Some Won't Go to Hell. These are chronicles of the irresponsibility and madness of the local king. As for the late head of the DPR and his comrade-in-arms Tashkent, you can simply open dedicated LPR news and analytics until August 31, 2018. Before Zakharchenko's death, the attitude towards him and his inner circle was clearly ambiguous.

Innocent lambs


The whole thing is that external control over industrial enterprises was introduced precisely in order to stop the terrible art of Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky. Another question is that the new effective owners turned out to be no better than their predecessors. The struggle between Zakharchenko and Kurchenko really took place, but it hardly looked like a noble opposition of the people's leader to a filthy idol, as the authors of the article try to portray it. The difference between the opponents was rather in their weight category.

And Zakharchenko, and Tashkent, and the rest of the retinue of the late head of the DPR can remember a lot: the trains with coal and metal that were sent to Ukraine, and the trains themselves did not return. The rolling stock park donated to OOO Logistic Don, according to the most conservative estimates, is more than 5 billion rubles (10,2 thousand cars, diesel locomotives and electric locomotives). Extra charges on fuels and lubricants, as a result of which gasoline before the harvest campaign became more expensive than in Ukraine. The grain harvest that disappeared without a trace in the summer of 2018. Turning dozens of mines and workshops into a pile of scrap metal. And many, many crimes of the Ministry of Income and Duties, for which it would be too humane to even shoot Tashkent. It would be foolish to assert that all known and many unknown crimes were carried out without the knowledge of the head of the republic by his subordinates; it would be no less naive to blame them exclusively on Kurchenko.

... aut nihil


The desire to whitewash the image of the late Zakharchenko is understandable (our people do not like to spit on graves) and logical (removes the collective responsibility of subordinates and associates). There is no doubt that as soon as Denis Pushilin resigns, he will soon be forgiven for all his sins, and all the dogs will be hanged on the new head of the republic. However, this tendency should not apply to everyone and certainly not to Tashkent, Kazakov and other figures who are prosperous. You can argue to the point of hoarseness about the merits and sins of Zakharchenko, but not about the vulgar swindlers who surrounded him.

And if their activities in the DPR have not yet been given a legal assessment, then this is just an annoying omission, and maybe a strategic mistake that allows today's embezzlers to believe that they will not only go unpunished, but will also be justified by publishing several unassuming articles on obscure sites.

And there will be many more similar articles. And each time they will be more fantastic and fantastic. And the partly talented Russian media professionals, who gave birth to a lot of very tenacious myths at the dawn of the formation of the LPNR, are partly to blame for this, partly the Luhansk and Donetsk authorities, who flatly refuse to speak in an adult way on serious topics.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 September 2020 12: 22 New
    +7
    I know about Kurchenko from the mass media.
    He's still ... not a good person.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 September 2020 12: 29 New
      10
      We do not know much about the LPNR and, apparently, we will never know ...
      And the further, the more terrible.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 September 2020 13: 10 New
        +4
        It seems that the further, the more we learn ...
      2. tourist
        tourist 11 September 2020 17: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        We do not know much about the LPNR and, apparently, we will never know ...
        And the further, the more terrible.

        There is a lot of dirt and betrayal was and is .. And those who were destroyed cynically, it was they who defended Novorossiya and the buffer of the rabid Bandera from all over the world put a barrier in front of Russia at the cost of their lives! Eternal memory to them and we still know how to take revenge on everything.
        Always reading such articles, I remember Mozgovoy's song ..

        ..
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 11 September 2020 13: 50 New
      +4
      Well, back in 2016, Chalenko for UkrainaRu interviewed the head of Donbassgaz Sergei Filippov on the situation with Kurchenko. The interview lasted less than a day on UkrainaRu. Filippov spoke not only about the schemes, but also named the names of the Russian officials who oversee all this.
      But since the Internet remembers everything, I highly recommend it for review:

      http://politikua.blogspot.com/2016/02/400.html

  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 12: 29 New
    21
    Another thing is surprising, after the shooting of Zakharchenko and the field commanders of Motorola and others, the shooting and attempts on the commanders and the leadership of the DPR stopped. Perhaps the counterintelligence of the DPR has grown stronger and suppresses all attempts at sabotage and assassination. But another question arises, what was happening in Donbass then, the really popular movement Russian spring or just an ordinary redistribution of property, under beautiful slogans: Russian World, Russian Spring, etc. The article gives the impression that the latter is the second, and one gets the impression that the LPNR is some kind of special zone created in the interests of Ukrainian and Russian capital for carrying out some kind of financial fraud. No one is in a hurry. Ukraine is in no hurry to "liberate" Donbass, Russia is in no hurry to recognize its sovereignty. Sluggish negotiations are underway under various agreements and proposals. People are dying. Consequently, this situation suits all parties.
    1. glum
      glum 11 September 2020 12: 38 New
      +5
      Most likely it is, and it is very sad.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 12: 46 New
        +7
        Such doubts torment, but arose when the militia was not allowed to take Mariupol. It's a very alien business, I mean metallurgical plants. Neither side can open a mouth for them. Yes, and Mariupol was somehow easily given away ... The opposing criminal and financial groups were too tough.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 September 2020 13: 12 New
          +3
          I don't understand, but what would the capture of Mariupol have changed?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 11 September 2020 13: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Avior
            I don't understand, but what would the capture of Mariupol have changed?

            But in fact, what else could the Outskirts "catch on" for in the occupied territory of the DPR? With the loss of the city, the largest stronghold occupied by them, the already demoralized Ilovaisk Armed Forces of Ukraine would finally "crumble".

            Mariupol is an access to the operational space, in conditions no state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014.

            Moreover, how many percent of GDP did the city-port-factory give to the Outskirts at that time, and how did its loss affect the general condition of the Outskirts? And financially and morally?
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 September 2020 13: 33 New
              +4
              What would it give for the DPR? Absolutely nothing. In addition to unnecessary problems for the residents of Mariupol, who are now very glad that they did not get to the DPR.
              And this would not take much from Ukraine in comparison with the Donetsk industrial zone, where the main majority of the Donbass industry was, and which almost completely remained in the DPR.
              What is the operational space? The city stands aside, around an empty steppe. After 80 km, the same city is the port of Berdyansk, a little further - Genichesk, the same city is the port. This is on the Sea of ​​Azov.
              There are also plenty of ports on the Black Sea, including those on the Dnieper and other rivers such as Kherson or Nikolaev.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 11 September 2020 13: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                What would it give for the DPR? Absolutely nothing.

                At Mariupol, we would have stopped, given the comment that you obviously did not read, or simply misunderstood:
                Quote: Insurgent
                But in fact, what else could the Outskirts "catch on" for in the occupied territory of the DPR? With the loss of the city, the largest stronghold occupied by them, the already demoralized Ilovaisk Armed Forces of Ukraine would finally "crumble".

                Mariupol is an access to the operational space, in the conditions of no state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014.

                By 2015, we would be on the borders of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 11 September 2020 14: 35 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  At Mariupol, we would stop

                  Well, my head is oak, I missed a critical particle NOT fool what . Of course NOT - "In Mariupol, we would NOT stopped ..."
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 September 2020 21: 58 New
                    -1
                    ... - "At Mariupol, we would NOT stop ..."

                    Where would you stay?
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 13 September 2020 07: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Where would you stay?

                      Read my comments on this article for an answer to your question.
                    2. Igor Semenov
                      Igor Semenov 14 September 2020 08: 32 New
                      0
                      The late Zakharchenko threatened to reach London
                2. Avior
                  Avior 11 September 2020 17: 22 New
                  +2
                  And what if you were in Mariupol?
                  Besides that the factories there would work through the stump of the deck? What would it give the DPR?
          2. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 13: 31 New
            +5
            ..Changes in the military-political situation in favor of the DPR ..
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 September 2020 13: 38 New
              +4
              And what is the change?
              Even the factories that remained in the DPR are somehow still working, there would be a couple more of the same.
              And Akhmetov, instead of ramping up production in Mariupol, as he actually did now, would build it up in Zaporozhye at his plant, and in Mariupol they would remain in the span.
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 13: 41 New
                +5
                Right now we are talking about what could have been .. And Akhmetov was not allowed to be ruined .. They said stop.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 11 September 2020 14: 04 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                  And Akhmetov was not allowed to ruin .. They said stop.

                  And at the same time they gave him Avdiivka with its coke-chemical, without which Mariupol, if not nothing, then certainly not a "tidbit".
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 11 September 2020 16: 34 New
                    +2
                    They didn’t give it away, but couldn’t keep it.
                    And now, in Avdiivka, they themselves are categorically against moving to the DPR.
                    Jobs of 80 thousand rubles for an electrician in Donetsk never dreamed of ...
                    https://m.rabota.ua/company/view/693396
                2. Avior
                  Avior 11 September 2020 16: 27 New
                  +3
                  What could have been?
                  There would not have been more orders in the DPR for factories, just 2 more Mariupol plants had to be scattered.
                  And Akhmetov would not have decreased, he would simply have expanded production not in Mariupol, but in Zaporozhye, production would have remained as it was.
                  Well, it would have shrunk for a while, but it would have recovered soon, as it happened.
    2. New
      New Year day 11 September 2020 12: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Therefore, this situation suits all parties.

      Besides ordinary people who survive, they bury their relatives and will soon start cursing ....?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 12: 54 New
        +6
        When the money is being shared, ordinary people, those who are sharing, are not interested in ordinary people with their troubles.
    3. New
      New Year day 11 September 2020 12: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      LDNR is some kind of special zone, created in the interests of Ukrainian and Russian capital to carry out some kind of financial fraud.

      Exactly. Its leaders did everything to discriminate
      Russian idea.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 September 2020 22: 01 New
        0
        ... to discredit
        Russian idea.

        There is no 'Russian idea'. It's already full.
    4. CSKA
      CSKA 11 September 2020 13: 01 New
      -11
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Russian capital

      Where did you see the Russian capital that dragged it in?
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Russia is in no hurry to recognize its sovereignty.

      How do you imagine it right now? On what basis is it now to recognize?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 13: 21 New
        +7
        Where did you see the Russian capital that dragged it in?
        ... If you think that everything that has been started in Donbass is only a bandit showdown of the Ukrainian capitalists, no question. It turns out that the so-called Spring is a fake, a cover for the division of property? The property was divided and now some want to take away this property (APU) others protect (the militia)?
        How do you imagine it right now? On what basis is it now to recognize?
        ... Not how. For a simple reason. Russia declares that it is for the territorial integrity of Ukraine with the granting of a special status to Donbass. Then why issue Russian passports, if Russia is unable to recognize the sovereignty of Donbass.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 September 2020 13: 39 New
          -1
          So that some of the residents of Donetsk could leave for Russia, this is obvious.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 11 September 2020 13: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: Avior
            So that some of the residents of Donetsk could leave for Russia, this is obvious.

            Whoever wanted to, he left with an Outskirts passport, and passports of the LPR and DPR.
            And in fact, if they wished, they received citizenship of the Russian Federation no longer than under the "simplification".

            So, look at the certification of the republics shirshe, and not as you want to see.
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 September 2020 16: 17 New
              +1
              The problem is that I look as it is, but you want to see something that does not exist and no one has ever promised in any form.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 11 September 2020 15: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          If you think that everything that has been started in Donbass is only a gangster showdown of the Ukrainian capitalists, no question.

          I do not think so. You think so.
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          It turns out that the so-called Spring is a fake

          Why do you think so? What is Russian Spring in your understanding?
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          a cover for the carve-up of property?

          Dividing what property? They took (possibly) factories from Akhmetov, so what? Who did they give it to?
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          The property was divided and now this property

          Who shared? More specifically.
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          Not how. For a simple reason. Russia declares that it is for the territorial integrity of Ukraine with the granting of a special status to Donbass. Then why issue Russian passports, if Russia is unable to recognize the sovereignty of Donbass?

          Fine. The logic has gone. In geopolitics, one has to play thinner. Now people get Russian passports every day. Soon most of the population will be citizens of the Russian Federation. Just like in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Nazis may come to power in Ukraine again. And they can, like Saakashvili in 2008, try to close the issue by force. Then, according to all international norms, the Russian Federation can protect its citizens and conduct an operation to enforce peace, just like in 2008. And just like in 2008, you can recognize them after that.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 16: 01 New
            -2
            You can express yourself more specifically. I have expressed my position. You cannot substantiate yours, only questions. Do you know the answers to your questions asked? If I am wrong in my comment, refute. But for some reason you don’t refute, ask questions, if Answer. Ask new. Now about the logic and geopolitics. Citizens of South Ossetia and Abkhazia received Russian passports. These states are not subjects of the Russian Federation. Until now, that is, there are several states in which Russian citizens live, but they are not considered Russian territories, but they consider themselves independent states, these states have diplomatic relations with Russia and treaties of mutual assistance. In Ukraine, the Nazis may come to power again And that they were leaving somewhere. Zelensky, under the supervision of Avakov and Avakov, with his Nazis is not going to leave anywhere. Leave the illusions about forcing peace to Ukraine. Already wrote above, Russia stands for the territorial integrity of Ukraine with a special status for Donbass. In the event of an offensive The Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia to evacuate its citizens, can suspend the conflict, freeze it once again. Ponimata will not have a small imperialist war between Russia and Ukraine, which the Ukrainian Nazis want so much. Russia will not agree to this, it is not beneficial to her in every sense.
            1. unknown
              unknown 12 September 2020 11: 01 New
              -4
              According to the most authoritative astrologer, today in Russia, Ukraine will return to Russia after 2029.
              God forbid.
              The last time, after the Second World War, the liberation of Ukraine from Nazi accomplices cost the USSR 600 thousand irrevocably. And then they did not finish it to the end. We only reached the level of regional committees. Not higher.
              Even Kravchuk survived.
              Plus, such a vast territory will need to be restored.
              Again at the expense of Russia.
              So do not.
              May Ukraine maintain its independence.
              Good things will not come of this either: from the Goat countries only France is developing more or less, and even then, it is sausage regularly, not childishly.
              But, apparently, it will not work otherwise.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 11 September 2020 13: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: CSKA
        How do you imagine it right now? On what basis is it now to recognize?

        It's just simple with this yes Based "Kosovo precedent", about the consequences of which Putin warned the West at one time.

        Actually, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are from this "series", the "retaliatory move" of Russia.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 11 September 2020 15: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: Insurgent
          With this, it's just simple On the basis of the "Kosovo precedent", about the consequences of which Putin warned the West in his time.
          Actually, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are from this "series", the "retaliatory move" of Russia.

          So here the fellow countryman is a bright indicator of the double standards of the West. Kosovo without a type referendum on the basis of a type of genocide has the right to receive, while Abkhazia, South Ossetia and the LDNR after a type referendum has no right. Here, whatever one may say, everything is complicated. And the Russian Federation is a supporter of the Minsk agreements so far. We need a precedent like in 2008 to admit. I hope so. Somewhere I think a dozen will recognize, most will refrain. But if now we recognize the LDNR and send troops, then what about Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson?
          1. Avior
            Avior 11 September 2020 16: 21 New
            0
            No way. Now they are strongly against one thing, the republics for themselves in 6 years have shown not the best side
    5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 September 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      But another question arises, what was going on in Donbass then, really the Russian Spring people's movement or just an ordinary redistribution of property, under beautiful slogans

      Quite a stupid question. To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear - a long ago formulated truth. The majority, not sparing their belly, became for our "world", and the minority did not miss the opportunity to cut some money or political points on this. But the crime of the latter in no way should devalue the feat of the former. Therefore, to pose the question the way you did it is stupidity. Well, or - deliberate sabotage.
  3. Radikal
    Radikal 11 September 2020 12: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    Another thing is surprising, after the shooting of Zakharchenko and the field commanders of Motorola and others, the shooting and attempts on the commanders and the leadership of the DPR stopped. Perhaps the counterintelligence of the DPR has grown stronger and suppresses all attempts at sabotage and assassination. But another question arises, what was happening in Donbass then, the really popular movement Russian spring or just an ordinary redistribution of property, under beautiful slogans: Russian World, Russian Spring, etc. The article gives the impression that the latter is the second, and one gets the impression that the LPNR is some kind of special zone created in the interests of Ukrainian and Russian capital for carrying out some kind of financial fraud. No one is in a hurry. Ukraine is in no hurry to "liberate" Donbass, Russia is in no hurry to recognize its sovereignty. Sluggish negotiations are underway under various agreements and proposals. People are dying. Consequently, this situation suits all parties.

    It is also obvious that the destroyed commanders, including Zakharchenko, were not beneficial (and this is putting it mildly) were neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian side.
    But "Fluffy" arranged for everyone .... sad
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 12: 50 New
      +4
      But "Fluffy" arranged for everyone ...
      That's just the point. I don't want to evaluate anyone, neither Zakharchenko, nor field commanders, nor Kurchenko and others .. But one thing seems to be surrendering, strange things have been happening on the territory of the LPR and for a long time.
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 11 September 2020 13: 03 New
      -6
      Quote: Radikal
      nor the Russian side.

      What are you? Obvious? And on the basis of what crazy conclusions did you decide that Zakharchenko, Motorola and Givi did not suit the Russian Federation? Or, as usual, they just dragged nonsense by the ears, just to throw a stone into the power garden?
  4. Nestor
    Nestor 11 September 2020 13: 01 New
    +3
    I look forward to the violent reaction of Insurgent and others like him! laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 September 2020 14: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Nestor
      I look forward to the violent reaction of Insurgent and others like him!

      Why didn't they wait? I reacted ...
      1. Nestor
        Nestor 11 September 2020 16: 34 New
        -3
        Comment, where is fiction, and where is the truth? If you believe the various media, Kurchenko is almost an "evil demon" of the LPNR?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 September 2020 17: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Nestor
          Comment, where is fiction, and where is the truth? If you believe the various media, Kurchenko is almost an "evil demon" of the LPNR?

          What to comment on? Makhov's fiction, not supported by facts and evidence?
          Actually, on the very personality of the author, I have questions - who is that? (How many inquiries did I make, among our writers they do not know this no ), suspicions that the pseudonym, possibly one for several authors.
          Moreover, it seems that Makhov is not a militia, as he wrote about himself ...

          In general - DOUBT.
          1. Nestor
            Nestor 11 September 2020 20: 40 New
            0
            We are not about the author, but about the article laughing
            Let's just say that the "near-expert" environment has long questioned the involvement of the Ukrainian special services in these "liquidations."
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 12 September 2020 06: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Nestor
              We are not about the author, but about the article

              How can one believe him without understanding the author's intentions sincerity, understanding his essence?
              Quote: Nestor
              Let's just say that the "near-expert" environment has long questioned the involvement of the Ukrainian special services in these "liquidations."

              Consider Makhov as the same "near-expert" only with the prefix "semi", little versed in the secret operations of special services in general, and the SBU (GUR) in particular, and "casting a shadow over the fence", then everything will fall into place without explanation.
              In addition, what did the Kiev officials say about the assassination attempt on Zakharchenko? Remember yes
  5. Radikal
    Radikal 11 September 2020 13: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: Radikal
    nor the Russian side.

    What are you? Obvious? And on the basis of what crazy conclusions did you decide that Zakharchenko, Motorola and Givi did not suit the Russian Federation? Or, as usual, they just dragged nonsense by the ears, just to throw a stone into the power garden?

    I wrote much earlier, for what reasons they were unprofitable, I will not repeat myself. Go to my profile, and look there. bully
  6. Igoresha
    Igoresha 11 September 2020 13: 08 New
    +3
    there were already rumors in the LPR that instead of the curators, they would report to the fiscal and other bodies of the Rostov region, and then only rumors
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 12 September 2020 07: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Igoresha
      there were already rumors in the LPR that instead of the curators, they would report to the fiscal and other bodies of the Rostov region

      This part is not clear and understandable. WHO will report "instead of curators"?

      Do I need to understand that bypassing curators, LPR authorities will report directly to Rostov?
  7. Radikal
    Radikal 11 September 2020 13: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    LDNR is some kind of special zone, created in the interests of Ukrainian and Russian capital to carry out some kind of financial fraud.

    Exactly. Its leaders did everything to discriminate
    Russian idea.

    Rather, not they, but those who led them .... bully hi
  8. Alsur
    Alsur 11 September 2020 13: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    Another thing is surprising, after the shooting of Zakharchenko and the field commanders of Motorola and others, the shooting and attempts on the commanders and the leadership of the DPR stopped. Perhaps the counterintelligence of the DPR has grown stronger and suppresses all attempts at sabotage and assassination. But another question arises, what was happening in Donbass then, the really popular movement Russian spring or just an ordinary redistribution of property, under beautiful slogans: Russian World, Russian Spring, etc. The article gives the impression that the latter is the second, and one gets the impression that the LPNR is some kind of special zone created in the interests of Ukrainian and Russian capital for carrying out some kind of financial fraud. No one is in a hurry. Ukraine is in no hurry to "liberate" Donbass, Russia is in no hurry to recognize its sovereignty. Sluggish negotiations are underway under various agreements and proposals. People are dying. Consequently, this situation suits all parties.

    Cherry to you in Ukraine.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 11 September 2020 13: 34 New
      +2
      If you do not agree, justify .... And so your commentary on the meaning: "drc himself" ..
  9. Alsur
    Alsur 11 September 2020 13: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: Radikal
    nor the Russian side.

    What are you? Obvious? And on the basis of what crazy conclusions did you decide that Zakharchenko, Motorola and Givi did not suit the Russian Federation? Or, as usual, they just dragged nonsense by the ears, just to throw a stone into the power garden?

    I wrote much earlier, for what reasons they were unprofitable, I will not repeat myself. Go to my profile, and look there. bully

    Zakharchenko was the most adequate comrade and therefore suited Moscow, in terms of the fact that there was a solid government. Motorola and Givi were such minor figures for the Russian authorities that they were or not in the DPR, Moscow did not care about the word - at all. But for the Ukrainian side, they were odious figures, the desire to remove them, for sure, was not surmountable. Therefore, your arguments are simply ridiculous, but in Ukraine, the version of internal squabbles or the hand of Moscow is decisive, but for some reason I am not surprised by this. Why did they stop shooting, there are simply no figures of this magnitude who participated in the events of 2014 with weapons in their hands. And the resonance after the murder of Zakharchenko was global.
  10. Kronos
    Kronos 11 September 2020 15: 44 New
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    But if now we recognize the LDNR and send troops, then what about Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson?

    How not to be with them, in any case, they will be in Ukraine, after 6 years of seeing what is happening in the LPNR, there are no more people left.
  11. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 September 2020 18: 39 New
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    Everything is correct in the comments. Money doesn't smell.
    For some reason, the commanders of the Russian Spring settled in Moscow and Russia, abandoned Novorossiya.
    The business was divided. The owners of the cellars, humanitarian aid and coal supplies quietly returned to their accounts in Russia.
    And ordinary residents, they say, let them survive as they want. There are articles - how dare they go to work and trade potatoes with Ukraine. Moscow can, they say, can’t.
    But it’s not at all because of the good life. They wrote that earnings there are one and a half times lower than the Ukrainian ones. For factories, a skiff, only coal remained ...
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 14 September 2020 11: 33 New
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      Quote: Alex2000
      The commanders of the Russian Spring settled for some reason in Moscow and Russia

      Who is this for example?
      Quote: Alex2000
      They wrote that earnings there are one and a half times lower than Ukrainian ones

      Ничего подобного.
      Quote: Alex2000
      Skull factories, only coal remains

      Where did you read that jured? Enakievsky label and coke oven don't work? Khartsyzsky trumpet? Makeevkoks, Gorlovsky coke-chemical, Dongormash, Amvrosievsky cement?
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 14 September 2020 21: 48 New
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        1) In recent materials about the kidnapping attempt in Moscow, they listed. Starting with Strelkov, and then the list ...

        2) What I read here on VO, then I apply. And supposedly they go to Ukraine to earn money, and not from Ukraine ...

        3) Now you are probably right. Since I met about working coal mining and strikes on them, and about a couple of metallurgical ones stopped. - they say, the oligarchs wanted to ask the Kremlin for compensation for them.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 15 September 2020 11: 23 New
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          Quote: Alex2000
          1) In recent materials about the kidnapping attempt in Moscow, they listed. Starting with Strelkov, and then the list ...

          Rifleman is a whiner, who has been whining for 6 years already, but let him tell you why he left for Russia in August, promised to come back and never came back. So he is a citizen of the Russian Federation, where else was he supposed to settle? Khodakovsky regularly comes to the DPR.
          Quote: Alex2000
          What I read here on VO, then I apply. And supposedly they go to Ukraine to earn money, and not from Ukraine ...

          ))) I arrived that week from the DPR and I know perfectly well what is there and how and without articles on VO. Those who go to work go to the Russian Federation. Those who work in Ukraine have moved there a long time ago and there are not many of them. And of course no one will go from Ukraine. Firstly, none of the residents of Donbass will be allowed to enter the DPR just like that, secondly, there are not many vacancies in the LPR, and thirdly, there are good salaries in state structures, and in order to get a job in them, you need to have a DPR passport, but it is issued only with the registration of the DPR.
          Quote: Alex2000
          You are probably right.

          Of course he is right, since he worked in the field of ferrous metallurgy and is still full of acquaintances and friends working in this field.
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  16. APASUS
    APASUS 13 September 2020 18: 49 New
    -1
    Maybe it's time to annex Donbass and put things in order? Or just put things in order
  17. Kelwin
    Kelwin 13 September 2020 21: 21 New
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    I bet on Prilepin, his gaskets.
  18. kris_67
    kris_67 16 September 2020 12: 57 New
    +1
    "Kurchenko killed the head of the DPR Zakharchenko" - HOW? There are already about 30 people imprisoned and SBU officers, students, vile traitors, and everyone's guilt has been proven, everyone confessed, they showed it on TV, and here on you - It's all in vain.
  19. Sloven
    Sloven 17 September 2020 13: 03 New
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    Is this another stuffing of trash from the great ukriya according to their usual scheme? Make shit throw, and then referring to our media (VO) yell?