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After Borodin: the living and the dead

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After Borodin: the living and the dead

General Uvarov's 1st Cavalry Corps attack at Borodino. Artist A.O.Desarno. State Hermitage


And a mountain of bloody bodies prevented the nuclei from flying ...
(M. Yu. Lermontov. Borodino)


Documents and история. In the previous article devoted to the figures of the Borodino battle, we focused on the data on losses. And they, like the data on the number of fighting troops, also turned out to be different for everyone. Moreover, the losses of the French, as many believe, were overestimated by the French themselves, namely those of them who, under the Bourbons, sought to show Napoleon's failure, while the historians who propagated his military genius, accordingly, underestimated them. Our "patriotic" researchers acted in a similar way, hence a number of figures, suffering from obvious exaggerations, but found on some of the monuments of the Borodino field.


We continue to use the materials of the Niva magazine for 1912 as illustrations. Here, for example, are photographs of the exhibits of the exhibition that opened in Moscow during the 100th anniversary of the battle.

According to the surviving records preserved in the archive of the RGVIA, the Russian army during the battle lost 39 people killed, wounded and missing (in the 300st army 1 and 21 in the 766nd), although these losses did not include the militia and the Cossacks. In addition, there were some wounded who died some time after the battle. So usually the number of casualties is brought to 17-445 thousand people. In particular, the historian Troitsky, on the basis of data from the Military Registration Archive of the General Staff, names the losses at 2 thousand people. If we count the total number of the army at 44 thousand people, then it turns out that after the battle a little more than a third of its number was missing, or even more figuratively: 45 out of every 45,6 people dropped out!


What to do, they didn't know how to print high-quality photos then!

French historians also note that the number of deaths from wounds was enormous. So, the captain of the 30th line regiment S. François, for example, testified that in the Kolotsky monastery, where the main military hospital of the Napoleonic army was located, 10/3 of the wounded died in the 4 days that followed the battle. And the French encyclopedias directly indicate that among the 30 thousand victims of the Borodino field, 20,5 thousand people died from wounds.


But on the other hand, Niva printed a large number of high-quality black and white reproductions of paintings by famous artists

But there were also horses. Who were also killed and wounded. Moreover, if the wounded soldiers still somehow tried to save them, they did amputations of the limbs that were crushed or torn off by the nuclei, and this really saved some, then there was simply no one to deal with the horses and they were ruthlessly shot even when they could have been cured.


But this is an interesting opinion about the "fire of Moscow"

However, the data on losses at the Borodino field can be found out in another way, which historians do not really like to remember. Namely, by counting the burials made on the battlefield. After all, when the Russian army left the Borodino field, Napoleon's army followed after it, and all the people and horses that were killed remained lying on it. Of course, crows immediately flocked to feed there, and wolves came out of the woods to eat. But ... it was not so easy even for a crow with its strong beak to gut a man dressed in a cloth uniform, a tough mentik or cuirass, and also a shako and a helmet with a crest and tail. Face, eyes, bloody wounds - these are the parts of the bodies left on the field accessible to the crows. So, looking at the uniform, it was quite possible to say: this is Russian, and this is French.


As always, the loser blames anyone for all his troubles, but not himself! Here, by the way, it is appropriate to recall the wonderful story of Lev Kassil “The Great Confrontation”, in the first part of which a film about the war of 1812 is being shot. The following words are attributed to Napoleon there:

“I could, with one movement of this pen,” he says thoughtfully, walking about, taking two fingers of a large quill that is sticking out on the table, “with one movement of the pen, dissolve the entire army of your sovereign. It would be enough for me to sign a decree on the release of your peasants. Not a single soldier would have remained with Alexander. But I am a monarch myself. I cannot raise the mob against another monarch, even if he was my enemy. No never! Too much blood. You are barbarians and slaves. "

Interesting, isn't it? So could or could he not have disbanded the "slaves" of Emperor Alexander I? And if he understood that he could not, then was it worth it then to start a war with Russia?

But was there such a count at the burial, which simply had to take place on the Borodino field some time after the battle, and how many people and horses were buried there?


And then Napoleon's soldier was expecting this ... Dramatic, and quite. But how amazingly accurately depicted the cuirassier broadsword!

To find out about this, the funds of the Central State Historical Archive of Moscow - documents from the "Office of the Moscow Governor-General" (f. 16) and the fund "Chancery of the Mozhaisk District Leader of the Nobility" (f. 392). The latter contains 12 records for the period from January 4 to April 6, 1813, concerning the burial of bodies and "carrion" found in the Borodino field, that is, human and horse corpses. In them, as well as in many other documents, with meticulousness characteristic of any bureaucratic state, the money allocated for firewood to burn too decomposed bodies and carrion, amounts for firewood, carts, payment for digging holes and actually burning them - in a word, these are documents of a high degree accuracy, although it is quite possible that the amount of "work" in them may well be somewhat exaggerated. Well, it is clear why and for what ...

To carry out the burial, the entire battlefield was divided into sections, which were assigned to the nearby villages. And so their inhabitants were obliged to bury or burn the corpses of people and horses who died on it.


Another painting on the horrors of the war of 1812 in Russia

When the work began, the officials responsible for its implementation regularly conducted field checks. So, one of these checks took place on January 15, 1813. Arriving at the Borodino field, the inspection commission established that "in all places when examining the corpses are not visible, because they have already been previously removed ... by the working peasants under the local supervision of four officials." (This "tuta" just delighted me. - Approx. Auth.).


However, not only the French, but also our soldiers suffered from "General Frost" then. You just read the data on the losses of the Russian army pursuing Napoleon! And then someone will say that the same Kutuzov felt sorry for his soldiers? The goal for him was in the first place, but for everything else ... women, what for? For him, the soldier was the same "mechanism provided for by the article", as for all other military leaders of that time

Bulletin records were compiled weekly. First of all, they indicated which "distances" (departments) were allocated to one or another nearby county for cleaning bodies and carrion, and which of the local officials in this or that department was responsible for this. It was indicated which village was assigned to which department, that is, in modern terms, which territory the inhabitants of this or that village that were near the Borodino field should be cleared of corpses. The number of workers is called, as well as the burnt corpses and carrion in the departments. The number of those freed from burning work and the reason for the release were also indicated without fail. By the way, judging by these documents, the work on the burial of the remains was started on November 14, 1812 and continued until May 6, 1813. Of these, it is known that a total of 6050 peasants from different villages worked at the burial. But the work was carried out unevenly, and in the winter many more corpses were still unburied and lay covered with snow. They took out dead bodies not only from the field, but also from cellars, wells (?) And even houses. Some of the corpses were buried, and very deeply (the depth was checked by tearing up some burials!), But most of them were simply burned on huge bonfires. The amount of payment for this hard work is interesting - 50 kopecks to a worker per day. True, he was also supposed to pour him two glasses of wine!


N. Samokish's drawings, as always, were distinguished by a high degree of accuracy. They could well illustrate the history textbooks of that time

The total number of removed remains by April 6 throughout Mozhaisky district is impressive: 58 human corpses and 521 horse corpses. And this is in addition to those burials that were carried out at the Kolotsky Monastery, where only the French were buried, who died there of wounds.

The historian A. A. Sukhanov, who cited these data, also checked them and found out that in the previously made calculation, there was a double count of some numbers and a shortage of others. In addition, these data related to the entire Mozhaisky district, and not just the Borodin field. As a result, he found that 37 human bodies and 386 horse corpses were removed from it, with 36 "dead bodies" and 931 "horse carcasses" buried in the ground, and the rest were cremated. Well, 4 human and 050 horse corpses fall on the whole city of Mozhaisk and its environs.


And as a result, the French and others like them were waiting for the crossing across the Berezina

The work was financed by the Moscow Treasury Chamber and was expressed in the following amount: 17 rubles. 305 kopecks (until June 30, 4), of which part of the funds went "for firewood" - 1813 rubles. 5 kopecks (636 cubic meters. Fathoms), and the remaining 25 940 rubles. on the day wages of the peasants who worked on the harvest. But to make an assumption about the separate burial of the removed remains of people and animals, writes A.A. Sukhanov, it does not seem possible, since such facts were not found in the documents. And we can conclude that many of the remains were so decomposed that ... the corpses of people and horses were burned together.


However, Napoleon himself did not wait for the complete defeat of his army

One can imagine the stench over the Borodino field a couple of weeks after the battle, especially since the autumn was warm, and then, during the collection of the remains in the spring of 1813 and their subsequent burning. It would also be interesting to find out whether the corpses of the Russians and the French were buried and burned together or separately, the corpses were undressed before the "burial" or not.


Exhibits of the Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore, dedicated to the war of 1812. Eh, what a cloth, what cords, edging, buttonholes ...

The question, by the way, is very important. After all, the soldiers of that time were dressed in good cloth, boots, boots, had copper buttons, forehead badges and other ammunition. The knapsacks, which did not suffer in any way from being with the corpses, could well contain clean linen and some valuables, that is, they were also of considerable interest to the funeral teams. True, before the battle the order was often given to “take off the knapsacks”, but were all the knapsacks collected later, after the battle? After all, trophy teams, and they, of course, then stood out by the French army, were collected primarily weapon and those items of uniform that were easiest to put into use without being repaired, that is, fur hats, shako, "dragoons", cuirasses, boots. But then, when the French left, the local peasants, no doubt, came to this field and used it to their fullest, although, of course, none of them then buried the corpses.


The drum of that time. Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore

So the data on large losses on both sides is also confirmed by data on the burial of the dead at the Borodino field. Here are just the exact data, we most likely will never know. And is it really so important? We know that this battle was the beginning of the end of Napoleon, that the "fire of Moscow" "finished off" him, and all the other details, in principle, are not very important today ...
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 05: 30 New
    +2
    Arriving at the Borodino field, the inspection commission established that "in all places when examining the corpses, one cannot see the corpses, for they have already been previously removed ... by the working peasants under the local supervision of four officials." (This "tuta" just delighted me. - Approx. Auth.).

    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have not read about "here" yet !!! laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 12 September 2020 05: 54 New
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      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Arriving at the Borodino field, the inspection commission established that "in all places when examining the corpses, one cannot see the corpses, for they have already been previously removed ... by the working peasants under the local supervision of four officials." (This "tuta" just delighted me. - Approx. Auth.).

      Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have not read about "here" yet !!! laughing

      the normal language of that time, in the villages the old people still speak, the hotel (from there) to that (there) tutoka (here) why (why) to rob (work) and so on, apparently Shpakovsky, will also be amazed by this ... winked
      1. kalibr
        12 September 2020 06: 05 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        so on, apparently Shpakovsky will also be amazed at this.

        Yes, the inertia of thinking is a strong and terrible thing, that's true. Especially in the village.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 06: 15 New
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        I haven't heard of the hotel. In gamayuniya, "otkel", "otkedova" are used in the same sense. Where - "where". Moreover, the use of "INTO" in colloquial speech is not acceptable (sign - picanics). Always clear - "what"!
        The attack on Vyacheslav Olegovich is not appropriate, as far as I know - he worked as a teacher in a rural school. Can you boast something like that?
        Regarding "tut", his mockery about an official document! This "society" according to which from the works of L. Tolstoy we present as one who speaks French without exception! Or is it still a "myth" or a consequence of the "fashion for French butlers and governors for the little master"! In most cases, of those who lagged behind Napoleon's army in 1812? I don’t remember which of Pushkin’s contemporaries joked about this, that “provincial French, according to Bonaparte, is more like low-quality Upper Bavarian” !!! laughing
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 12 September 2020 08: 15 New
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          Hi Vladislav. hi There is also a cool word "tamotka", I mean, obviously, "somewhere out there." laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 12 September 2020 08: 47 New
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            And also "hit!" and "thousand!" laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 12 September 2020 09: 01 New
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              "Ablakants" and "arblyudy". laughing
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 12 September 2020 09: 09 New
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                I will not give a specific term from Dovlatov, continuing the logical chain, because they will be banned!
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 September 2020 09: 34 New
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                  By the way, about the birds, that is. about Buonaparte: He could not figure it out and the ending was sad ... laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 12 September 2020 09: 49 New
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                    "From" Altufevo "to" Prazhskaya ",
                    Only at first glance is far
                    We are carrying Moscow secrets
                    On secret metro lines "(C)
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 12 September 2020 09: 59 New
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                      This is how to get there, remember the experience of Napoleon. laughing
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 September 2020 10: 11 New
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                        This is what happens when Tarantino tries to shoot a remake of "I Walk, Walk Through Moscow"!
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 September 2020 10: 34 New
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                        Better let Bondarchuk shoot "I walk, I walk in New York". wassat
          2. datur
            datur 12 September 2020 18: 48 New
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            and the sharomygi are a thing in themselves, a dear friend from the store !!! wink
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 12 September 2020 09: 06 New
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        Moreover, the use of "INTO" in colloquial speech is not acceptable (sign - picanics)
        Accordingly, Yeltsin was a picnic! "Shta, panimash, it's very important!" (FROM) laughing
      4. gsev
        gsev 12 September 2020 11: 28 New
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        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Or is it still a "myth"

        Perhaps this is government policy. There was a decree of Peter 1 for the nobles to speak French in the presence of commoners. The Russian gymnasium taught 4 languages: English, German, Latin and Ancient Greek. Obligatory long-term business trips to Europe for scientists and artists in tsarist Russia. Until the beginning of the 19th century, there were only a few literary and historical works in Russian in Russia.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 12 September 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: gsev
          There was a decree of Peter 1 for the nobles to speak French in the presence of commoners.

          This is the first time I've heard of this. I would still understand if this fake meant the German language - Peter was not indifferent to the Germans. But French ... French became fashionable at the Russian court only in the time of Catherine.
          Quote: gsev
          The Russian gymnasium taught 4 languages: English, German, Latin and Ancient Greek.

          Also tell the Jewish man and there will be a complete set of the most stubborn dolboslav.
          Quote: gsev
          Until the beginning of the 19th century in Russia there were only a few literary and historical works in Russian.

          Sumarokov, Trediakovsky, Derzhavin, Lomonosov, Radishchev - these are only those that are in the school curriculum for literature. As for history, in the XNUMXth century. it was still in its infancy, and not only in Russia, but also in Europe. The language of science at that time was Latin, respectively, both in Russia and in Europe, most studies were written and published in Latin. But even here we have Tatishchev.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 12 September 2020 13: 25 New
            +3
            Fonvizin, again
          2. gsev
            gsev 13 September 2020 21: 46 New
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            "
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Quote: gsev
            There was a decree of Peter 1 for the nobles to speak French in the presence of commoners.

            This is the first time I've heard of this. I would still understand if this fake meant the German language - Peter was not indifferent to the Germans.

            Also tell the Jewish man and there will be a complete set of the most stubborn dolboslav.

            Sumarokov, Trediakovsky, Derzhavin, Lomonosov, Radishchev - these are only those that are in the school curriculum for literature. As for history, in the XNUMXth century. it was still in its infancy, and not only in Russia, but also in Europe. The language of science at that time was Latin, respectively, both in Russia and in Europe, most studies were written and published in Latin. But even here we have Tatishchev.

            1. In 1717, two editions of "The Youth of an Honest Mirror .. Here is an article from it translated into modern Russian." 27. Young children must always speak foreign languages ​​among themselves, so that they can get used to it, and especially when they say something secret to them, it happens so that the servants and maids cannot be found out and so that they can be recognized from other ignorant idiots: for every merchant praises his goods sells as it can.
            2. Jews in Russia appeared after the partitions of Poland; they began to occupy a worthy place in Russian culture in the second half of the 2th century. Finally, German culture began to give way to Jewish in Russia only after the repression of the Russian Germans during World War II. For example, GSS Gulya Koroleva in childhood went to a German school in Moscow for some time. I have not heard that children in tsarist Russia and the USSR who do not belong to Jewish nationality were taught in schools with in-depth study of the Yiddish language. Learning Hebrew was generally discouraged.
            3. Here is an excerpt from Sumarokov's work "An empty quarrel" by A.P. Sumarokov (XVIII century):
            Delamida. You flatter me so much that it's impossible.

            Dyuliz. You will not believe me that I adore you.

            Delamida. I am not measuring this, sir.

            Dyuliz. I think that you could have been quite remarked, so that I would always be in confusion about you.

            Delamida. What you are distra, so it may be from something else.

            Dyuliz. I am teaching everything except you.

            Delamida. I don't have this pance, so that I really was an emable in your eyes.
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 15 September 2020 10: 03 New
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            The works of those who wrote in French at that time in Russia, now no one rested on the stump.
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 12 September 2020 14: 20 New
          +3
          I was not specifically interested in this, but in some issue: "Rodina" flashed that before Nicholas 1 at the court in Russian practically did not speak. Only in French
          1. gsev
            gsev 13 September 2020 21: 50 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            before Nicholas 1 at court they practically did not speak Russian

            Bestuzhev-Ryumin, during interrogation in the case of the Decembrists, asked to interrogate him in French, I motivate this by ignorance of the Russian language for such a complex topic.
        3. Alex 007
          Alex 007 13 September 2020 23: 19 New
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          And it is also desirable to hear about skakuas - ancient diggers of the Black Sea, and the Sumerians are a goose ...
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 12 September 2020 14: 00 New
      +3
      There are no such expressions in our area. Sometimes it occurs: "atomic mixture" of Russian, Armenian, Adyghe and interspersed with Ukrainian languages
  2. Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 12 September 2020 07: 35 New
    +6
    This is still a very good report. It is quite understandable today. At that time, it was generally fashionable to write floridly for beauty, and therefore very often it was impossible to understand even official reports. Even 40 years after Borodin they wrote horseradish you will understand how. And contemporaries did not understand either. Those to whom the report or order was intended. They re-read it several times and either performed it incorrectly (because they misunderstood) or did nothing at all - "maybe somehow later ..."
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 September 2020 10: 07 New
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      But now in the Little Russian provinces, from dialectal differences, they draw a conclusion about the existence of a certain "Ukrainian language", they got used to universal standard education during the Soviet years, so at least they began to speak the same throughout the country.
  3. Bar1
    Bar1 12 September 2020 08: 09 New
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    in the painting Entry of the French into Moscow, we see that the population has not left Moscow, and also that we see that the French horsemen are dressed in green uniforms.
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            1. Icelord
              Icelord 12 September 2020 16: 54 New
              +9
              Alexander and Napoleon are fighting in an alliance against the great khans of Turturia ... This is really fat malikum. Oh gods ...
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 12 September 2020 14: 27 New
          +5
          Bar, you were more educated, and now you are rude.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 12 September 2020 14: 50 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            Bar, you were more educated, and now you are rude.

            he started first.
            1. kalibr
              12 September 2020 16: 09 New
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              Back to the sandbox, squalor, and scoop the sand into the bucket!
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 12 September 2020 17: 26 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                Back to the sandbox, squalor, and scoop the sand into the bucket!

                switched to my native language, this is understandable work here is a watch.
            2. VIP
              VIP 12 September 2020 17: 42 New
              +2
              Just like in childhood: he was the first to start
            3. Kwas
              Kwas 12 September 2020 18: 11 New
              +4
              And you continued and picked up, although you can make fun and correctly.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 12 September 2020 21: 26 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            Bar, you were more educated, and now you are rude.

            Timur is just furious! laughing
            1. rich
              rich 13 September 2020 00: 48 New
              +2
              Bar, you were more educated, and now you are rude.

              Timur is just furious

              Colleague Bar1's name is Pavel. And the campaign has already really got it. Previously, he was always correct and was not noticed in rudeness. And what Fomenko is fond of is not a reason to scoff at him. and constantly minus.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 13 September 2020 02: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Rich
                Bar, you were more educated, and now you are rude.

                Timur is just furious

                Colleague Bar1's name is Pavel. And the campaign has already really got it. Previously, he was always correct and was not noticed in rudeness. And what Fomenko is fond of is not a reason to scoff at him. and constantly minus.


                ideology is what makes you change your beliefs.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 13 September 2020 09: 10 New
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                Quote: Rich
                this is not a reason to mock him. and constantly minus.

                Greetings Dmitry, that's what I've never done! hi
                As for the name, the profile indicates Timur. I don't know about the future.
                Sincerely yours, I. hi
                1. rich
                  rich 13 September 2020 09: 26 New
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                  Good morning, Sergei. I'm not specifically talking about someone, but in general. It turns out not well. Bar on VO almost from the base. The first time the guy was eaten on the minuses. Opened a new account-Bar1. And again they constantly pass by. And Olgovich is the same. And Pavel and Andrei themselves do not sin with minuses.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 September 2020 09: 40 New
                    +2
                    Here personally and on my own.
                    With my scanty baggage of knowledge, it's just ridiculous to get into these discussions! Therefore, I read the comments of one and the other side of the dispute with equal interest. There were earlier clashes with Andrey / different views on the events of 1917 and subsequent ones /, but this is in the past. friendly relations.
                    Pavel / Timur? For me he is terra incognita.
                    I respect like any person with their beliefs. hi
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 13 September 2020 10: 49 New
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                      Quote: Phil77
                      For me he is terra incognita.

                      but I have been on the forum for a very, very long time ...
                    2. Phil77
                      Phil77 13 September 2020 11: 42 New
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                      Quote: Bar1

                      but I have been on the forum for a very, very long time ...

                      Dima-Rich had already informed about it. There were no points of contact, although ...
                      It was! About one English river. You also wrote to me that it is good sometimes to go to Wiki! wink
                    3. kalibr
                      13 September 2020 16: 22 New
                      -1
                      And only because you are tolerated here, that with your stupidity you attract a lot of clicks. There is a rule that in each team there should be one, so that everything is on it ... well, in general, to improve the moral climate.
            2. kalibr
              13 September 2020 16: 26 New
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              Quote: Rich
              And what Fomenko is fond of is not a reason to scoff at him. and constantly minus.

              This is just a reason, Dmitry. Because hobbies must also have certain boundaries ... of decency. It is indecent to replicate one ignorance after another, it is like public exhibitionism!
  4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 10: 57 New
    +8
    Bar, you couldn't stand our brother's brains for a long time !!! laughing
    I wonder why the opus "about the green form"? I dare to suggest - for the sake of some Fomenkovshina. For example, was there a boy - Bonaparte? what
    I will disappoint you - I was in Moscow in 1812, and in the picture it was his soldiers of the army of "twelve languages"!
    Well, let's start - "Napoleon's little green men"!
    [Center[/ Center]
    The drummer of the 96th line shelf!


    Musician of the 9th line regiment!

    lol let's continue!
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 11: 03 New
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      Little green men of Napoleon!



      Dragoons of Napoleon's army!

      And this is the form of an elite company dragoon !!! I could not resist inserted for malicious insinuations!
      crying
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 11: 10 New
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        Well, the heroes of your picture, dear Bar !!!

        Headdresses of the dragoons of Napoleon's army.

        Junior lieutenant of the dragoon regiment

        Corporal of the elite company of the dragoon regiment.

        Musician of the dragoon regiment in full dress, pay attention with a penny !!!
        Learn student!!! fellow
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 12 September 2020 11: 34 New
          +8
          Bravo. And the horse rangers had green uniforms
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 11: 38 New
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            Naturally! And that's just the French !!! But there were Vetfaltsy, Italians, Austrians. A number of French line regiments wore Dutch uniforms, etc.
            Regards, Vlad!
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 12 September 2020 12: 05 New
              +5
              And if you take into account that even without touching the allies, dragoons and horse rangers accounted for over seventy percent of the cavalry in Napoleon's army, then ... Sincerely, Igor
          2. rich
            rich 13 September 2020 10: 07 New
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            Bravo. And the horse rangers had green uniforms!
            Not only:
            at French fusiliers

            from the Spanish infantry of Joseph Napoleon.
            ,

            as well as Lotharginian infantry, Polish chevaliers
            1. rich
              rich 13 September 2020 10: 24 New
              +1
              and also the Dutch and Bavarians

        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 12 September 2020 17: 47 New
          +4
          This is the price list: "One cat - one penny?"
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 18: 10 New
            +3
            Yes, I "sealed myself", Uncle Kostya "penny" should be read "cat" recourse repeat fool
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 12 September 2020 19: 48 New
              +4
              And with Uncle Kostya, too, a small mistake came out. Oh, this is the high command.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 20: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Korsar4
                And with Uncle Kostya, too, a small mistake came out. Oh, this is the high command.

                I don’t have to hit the face. Third time, and everything goes by .... I repent recourse
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 12 September 2020 20: 49 New
                  +4
                  I don’t have to hit the face.

                  ,,, where to put the comma? recourse lol
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 12 September 2020 21: 13 New
                    +4
                    Classic! Bravo! good good good
                2. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 12 September 2020 21: 50 New
                  +4
                  Not. This is me - just to cheer.
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 12 September 2020 14: 47 New
        -5
        I have already answered above that the Russian peasants did not understand the uniforms and if they heard not Russian speech, then the ax was a stranger.
  5. Kwas
    Kwas 12 September 2020 18: 31 New
    +8
    I will not be as rude as the Varyag, but pay attention, neither towers, nor walls, nor other buildings are similar to those in Moscow, especially the Kremlin ones. Hence, two conclusions: 1 It was not an eyewitness who drew. 2 This drawing is worthless.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 12 September 2020 18: 48 New
      -5
      Quote: Kwas
      I will not be as rude as the Varyag, but pay attention, neither towers, nor walls, nor other buildings are similar to those in Moscow, especially the Kremlin ones. Hence, two conclusions: 1 It was not an eyewitness who drew. 2 This drawing is worthless.

      do you even know that Moscow was on fire, that then under Stalin the Kremlin was rebuilt? What are you comparing with?
      Did you know that even in the 17th century, during the time of Mikhail Fedorovich, the symbolism on the temples was crescent? Is Moscow a city of mosques? Where did they go?
      South of Moscow behind the White City, we see several temples distinctly -crescent-tops.

      there are no temples with crosses on this map at all, what was the religion then?
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 13 September 2020 08: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Bar1
        do you even know that Moscow was on fire, that then under Stalin the Kremlin was rebuilt? What are you comparing with?

        Crosses, mosques ... I compare with the traditions of Russian serfdom, and I see a similarity not with it, but rather with the European miniatures of the times of the Crusades. Also by the way, not written by eyewitnesses. Well, think for yourself, what for in a real fortress there are such small towers, such huge gates (and unprotected ones!)? So I probably drew at 5 years old, at 10 - it's already better!
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 13 September 2020 09: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Kwas
          Well, think for yourself, what for in a real fortress there are such small towers, such huge gates (and unprotected ones!)? So I probably drew at 5 years old, at 10 - it's already better!

          Well, the towers are too small, which is more like a miniature from the chronicle, and two-height walls are also not the case. The image is hypertrophied. Well, here's another.



          as we can see, the gates, walls and towers are already more capital. The people meet Napoleon's troops and do not flee anywhere.
          The most noticeable, in the background, you can see the burning Moscow at the entrance of the troops and you can see some kind of strange structure - a temple reminiscent of St. Sophia in Tsar Grad, a large dome, minarets, and this is in Moscow ?!
          In general, these materials are from the film by Sergei Ignatenko, The War of the Worlds of 1812.
          It was Sergei who first drew attention to the discrepancy between the materials of that war and the official version.
          1. Kwas
            Kwas 13 September 2020 13: 08 New
            +2
            So where, by the way, are all these pictures. Well, who is the artist, when are they written, where are they kept?
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 13 September 2020 15: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Kwas
              So where, by the way, are all these pictures. Well, who is the artist, when are they written, where are they kept?

              open the movie Ignatenko below there will be a list of links.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 12 September 2020 09: 32 New
    -13
    look at all this foreign etymology / origin of army words / terms and it can be argued that the Russian component prevails here.
    -Laffet-lay down / bed. Although the etymology "official" says that this word is from Latin and means a stick. What is better in terms of Russian to lay down / put / bed or a Latin stupid stick? The answer is obvious.
    - pivot - hitch / pin, protrusions on the body of the gun for vertical guidance. Although OI says that the word is German. But it is clear that it is not German.
    -the bayonet-tyk is just a Russian tyk.
    -the musket is a Russian invention as the encyclopedia of D'Alembert and Diderot says.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 12 September 2020 10: 49 New
      +9
      Bar1 (Timur)
      look at all this foreign etymology / origin of army words / terms and it can be argued that the Russian component prevails here.
      Yes, yes, everything is primordially Russian, and the Aryans descended from the ancient Russians, do not hesitate ... laughing
      With your attempts, you and Samsonov with ancient aieruses and Bebik with ancient ukras will surpass.
      Excuse me, but your name is not Fomenko for an hour?
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 12 September 2020 13: 40 New
        -2
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        yes, everything is primordially Russian, and the Aryans descended from the ancient Russians, do not hesitate ...

        Well, what else can you say?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 12 September 2020 14: 08 New
          +2
          Bar1 (Timur)
          well what
          Not "what", but what! For the "guardian" of Russia, it would not hurt to learn the Russian language first!
          And then, you certainly have nothing to say, at least smart.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 12 September 2020 14: 53 New
            -5
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Bar1 (Timur)
            well what
            Not "what", but what! For the "guardian" of Russia, it would not hurt to learn the Russian language first!
            And then, you certainly have nothing to say, at least smart.

            and I speak Russian, Russian general and Russian literary, it's a big difference.
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                  4. ccsr
                    ccsr 13 September 2020 14: 40 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Bar1
                    you have long been predictable, like a book you read, a Russophobe, a propagandist of the Western way of life and Western history

                    You definitely noticed this. However, you are not the only one who paid attention to this. As they say "you can't wash a black dog white" - I mean his regional committee propagandist past.
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        2. BAI
          BAI 12 September 2020 21: 53 New
          +6
          An absolutely inappropriate sparkle of erudition. Let's put it this way:
          無礼 は 、 無知 の よ う に 、 国籍 を 持 っ て い な い 、 ち ょ う ど す ぐ に ロ シ ア の "あ な た" に 切 り 替 え る た め に ブ ー ア の う の う の
          Anyone from this will be easier?
          1. kalibr
            13 September 2020 12: 03 New
            -5
            This is not a sparkle, but an elementary banter over ...
      2. hjvtp1966
        hjvtp1966 13 September 2020 21: 05 New
        +2
        Not! Bar1, it just needs to be here! No way: Barrr !!! It's like a gust of wind along the tables with disposable cups! laughing
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 12 September 2020 18: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Russian is the language of cretins!

      and there is no one else to stand up for the Russian language on this forum?
      1. BAI
        BAI 12 September 2020 21: 54 New
        +6
        Yes, only "what" will be replaced by "what", to begin with.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
          -2
          with you on this and finish.
      2. kalibr
        13 September 2020 11: 59 New
        -3
        Quote: Bar1
        No one will stand up for the Russian language anymore?

        No one but you to stand up for Russian. But you are a clinical case.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 13 September 2020 13: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Bar1
          No one will stand up for the Russian language anymore?

          No one but you to stand up for Russian. But you are a clinical case.

          the site is Jewish, given the amount of lies, for me it's just an opportunity to pull the rope and stir up the swamp.
      3. Kwas
        Kwas 13 September 2020 14: 55 New
        +5
        For the Russian would stand up.
        1. kalibr
          13 September 2020 16: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: Kwas
          For the Russian would stand up.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          I would have stood up for Russian too!
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 13 September 2020 17: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Kwas
          For the Russian would stand up.

          how can you stand up for Russian if you are kwas non-Russian?
          1. kalibr
            13 September 2020 18: 24 New
            -4
            Quote: Bar1
            how can you stand up for Russian if you are kwas non-Russian?

            How uncivilized it is to poke a stranger-ah-ah!
          2. Kwas
            Kwas 13 September 2020 20: 10 New
            +2
            Well, how do you know my nationality, for example? I have much more reason to doubt, looking at your, let's say, not very great literacy. It is quite possible to suspect that at school you studied something not ours, or that the Russian language is not entirely native to you. And for that matter, KVas is my university nickname.
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 13 September 2020 10: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      Russian is the language of cretins!

      but this Russophobic attack the modernists certainly do not want to delete? strange. This is inciting ethnic hatred, and this is an article.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 13 September 2020 10: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Bar1
        strangely

        Dear Pavel / Timur!
        Answer only one question. Why do you write with such persistence, namely * Russian *? And not * Russian *?
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 13 September 2020 10: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Phil77
          Quote: Bar1
          strangely

          Dear Pavel / Timur!
          Answer only one question. Why do you write with such persistence, namely * Russian *? And not * Russian *?

          this is how they wrote in the annals-Rouskaya land, this is how the Minister of Public Enlightenment Shishkov wrote, this is how the Decembrist Muravyov wrote his constitution. This is how many, many writers of the 18-19th century wrote.
          pay attention to the picture of the 19th century about the war of 1812, written by Ruska Curtius



          But in fact, the doubling of consonants is not consistent with the rules of the Russian language, unless parts of the word, say the root and the suffix, are joined in this way. But doubling is typical for German and other languages, so this must be avoided.
          Specifically, the word _Russian_, the word is a proper name and cannot be decomposed into a root and a suffix, therefore it is read entirely in Russian.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 13 September 2020 11: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Bar1
            therefore it is read entirely Russian.

            Well, thanks for the informative answer.
            Then, excuse the impudence, chase! Another one. Are you Pavel? Or Timur? I just don’t know how to contact you! hi hi
          2. Bar1
            Bar1 13 September 2020 11: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: Phil77
            Quote: Bar1
            therefore it is read entirely Russian.

            Well, thanks for the informative answer.
            Then, excuse the impudence, chase! Another one. Are you Pavel? Or Timur? I just don’t know how to contact you! hi hi

            I am Pavel Ordynsky, Timur is the entrance for modders to this site.
          3. Phil77
            Phil77 13 September 2020 11: 22 New
            0
            Clear, understandable, so Pavel! Ordynsky? Oh, what is beautiful! Sounds! wink
      2. kalibr
        13 September 2020 12: 05 New
        -2
        And then the wallet was called a vagina ... From the word "vag" ...
      3. Kwas
        Kwas 13 September 2020 20: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        Specifically, the word _Russian_, the word is a proper name and cannot be decomposed into a root and a suffix, therefore it is read entirely in Russian.

        Interestingly, the word Russian is a proper name? Then enlighten us, orphans, who or what it calls in modern Russian.
        Languages, you know, change over time, and hardly anyone in their right mind would think to speak or write in a dialect of centuries ago.
  • kalibr
    13 September 2020 12: 00 New
    -3
    Quote: Bar1
    This is inciting ethnic hatred, and this is an article.

    And not one law does not have the Russian language ... Therefore, what article?
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 13 September 2020 13: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Bar1
      This is inciting ethnic hatred, and this is an article.

      And not one law does not have the Russian language ... Therefore, what article?

      This clearly concerns you, just in this case.
      1. kalibr
        13 September 2020 16: 10 New
        -4
        Apply with the initiative to the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences or the Duma, or even better - write to the President right away.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 12 September 2020 15: 23 New
    +3
    "Your surname is not Fomenko for an hour" the intellect is very similar.
    - I am touched by your kindness, but I have not grown up yet. The bar will answer
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 12: 05 New
    +3
    look at all this foreign etymology / origin of army words / terms and it can be argued that the Russian component prevails here.
    -Laffet-lay down / bed. Although the etymology "official" says that this word is from Latin and means a stick. What is better in the sense of Russian to lay down / put / bed or Latin stupid stick?

    Timur, drop your insinuations !!!
    Moreover, in Russian the "stick" under the barrel of a handgun is called a "bed", and under the barrel of a gun is a "gun carriage" !!!
  • Kronos
    Kronos 12 September 2020 21: 59 New
    +1
    Go dig the Black Sea to the Ukrainians and find out who is the more ancient holy Aryan.
  • rich
    rich 12 September 2020 09: 53 New
    +5
    The mass grave of those who died in the Battle of Borodino in 1812 is a mass grave of 300 soldiers who died in the Battle of Borodino, located behind the building of the Borodino Battle panorama museum on Kutuzovsky Prospekt.

    Initially, Moscow's main memorial in memory of the soldiers who died in the Battle of Borodino was located at the Dorogomilovsky cemetery (between Kutuzovsky Prospekt and the Moskva River), which was destroyed in the early 1950s. The oldest cemetery was partly demolished and partly built up.
    The burial of soldiers in this cemetery began shortly after the Battle of Borodino, even before Moscow was given to Napoleon, and continued until mid-1813. It is interesting that not only Russian soldiers were buried, but also French ones. There were so many dead that it was necessary to allocate new territories for burials - next to the Jewish cemetery, which was located on the site of house 28 on Kutuzovsky Avenue and school No. 1232.
    1. rich
      rich 12 September 2020 09: 55 New
      +6
      Most likely, there were several similar graves in the cemetery, which means that a larger number of soldiers were buried. The erroneous assumption that only one grave existed at the Dorogomilovsky cemetery could arise due to the fact that other mass graves were not marked with memorial signs and disappeared in the first half of the XNUMXth century.
      The number of buried warriors of the Battle of Borodino could have increased dramatically in the period from August 26 to September 11, when Kutuzov and Rostopchin carried out a mass evacuation, but for a large number of soldiers (from 10 to 23 thousand), about 150 guns and 75000 rifles, no supply was found, and that's all they went to the enemy. Some of the soldiers died in the fire, some from lack of proper care, and some died at the hands of Napoleonic soldiers.
      1. rich
        rich 12 September 2020 09: 56 New
        +5
        In 1849, when the 35th anniversary of the complete defeat of Napoleon's troops was celebrated, the following monument was erected over the grave at the expense of Konstantin Prokhorov, a well-known industrialist, advisor and patron of the arts: a brick stele, faced with iron and crowned with a gold dome with a cross, reminiscent of a monument on the Borodino field ... On the plaque was the inscription: “Eternal memory to you, martyrs and sufferers for the Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland, who laid down their belly. This monument was erected over the common grave of three hundred soldiers-sufferers and wounded in the Battle of Borodino and who died on the way to Moscow in 1812 ”.
        In Soviet times, the monument suffered a sad fate: made in the tradition of Orthodox funerary monuments, it did not correspond to the principles of the new ideology and was subject to destruction. Together with him, its prototype was blown up - a monument on the Borodino field, as well as the grave of Bagration.
        In 1940, a new monument was erected on the grave, which is a seven-meter granite obelisk with the inscription “Mass grave of 300 soldiers-heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812, who died a heroic death in the Battle of Borodino. Built by the Moscow City Executive Committee in 1940 ".

        For some time the obelisk stood in its original place - above the grave, but the cemetery was already closed and was gradually liquidated. An active reconstruction of the Dorogomilovo district began, the Mozhaisk highway turned into Kutuzovsky prospect, active construction was underway, and the soil from the cemetery was taken to the Filka river, where the children found skulls and bones. The obelisk stood in its place until the Elizabethan Church was demolished. After that, the monument changed its place several times, and then in the early 1950s the obelisk was moved to the "Kutuzovskaya izba", in Fili, where it is still located.
        1. rich
          rich 12 September 2020 09: 59 New
          +6
          There are several versions about the transfer of the remains of the soldiers who were buried in this grave.
          According to one version, the remains were moved along with the obelisk, and, accordingly, are now at the museum.
          According to another version, part of the remains from the grave was transferred to the Vagankovskoye cemetery in the late 1940s, and in 1965 an obelisk of black marble was erected there. But now this version is being questioned, since the obelisk was repeatedly moved away from the main entrance.

          Also in 2010, during the construction of a school building at Kutuzovsky Prospect 22a, human remains were discovered, which were identified as the ashes of soldiers, after which it was decided to transfer the found remains of 94 soldiers to a mass grave at the Vvedenskoye cemetery, where a monument was erected from the next inscription “The obelisk was erected in memory of 94 soldiers who died from wounds received in the battle of Borodino on August 26, 1812 (old style). The ashes were transferred to a mass grave from the territory of the former Dorogomilov cemetery on August 12, 2010 ", however archaeologists believe that these remains do not belong to the soldiers of the Borodino battle and give the following conclusion:
          In the course of supervision related to the construction of school No. 56 at the address: Kutuzovsky Prospect, 22-a (the developer is a closed joint-stock company UKS of trade and agricultural facilities), it was determined that in the period preceding the start of earthworks in 2009-2010, as a result of construction excavations and long-term economic activity, the cultural layer within the construction pit was almost completely lost. In the area of ​​the old school building, the cultural layer was completely destroyed by the foundations of the said building. In general, the strata were represented by construction waste (broken brick, lime, clay, glass fragments, pieces of plaster and asphalt) and date back to the XNUMXth century as a whole.
          In the southwestern part of the pit, scattered bones of human skeletons were discovered, representing traces of the historic Dorogomilovsky cemetery, destroyed in the previous period during the development of the territory, laying of engineering networks, as well as the dismantling of buildings and communications. Burials were not disturbed. No artifacts have been identified that allow the discovered scattered remains to be attributed to the group of military graves and to link them with the events of 1812. All the bone remains collected during the archaeological survey were transferred to a construction contractor for subsequent reburial.

          There is an opinion that the remains were not reburied or transferred, which means that the obelisk stands on an empty place. There may also be grounds for this - after a long stay in the damp earth, the remains, by the time the monument was transferred to its present place, could have completely decomposed, on the other hand, the transfer of the remains was a symbolic act, which means it was enough to take only a handful of earth from the grave (or dig up a few bones) and move it to a new place. It is also necessary to take into account the fact that the obelisk changed its location several times, and it is unlikely that a reburial was carried out every time.
          Local historians believe that the remains of three hundred soldiers are still in their original place - at the place where the carriageway is today, where the cars of residents of houses 26 and 28 on Kutuzovsky Prospekt are parked, or in the quiet courtyard of house 26.
          1. kalibr
            12 September 2020 11: 28 New
            +3
            Great additions. I always read your additions and comments with great pleasure.
          2. Astra wild
            Astra wild 12 September 2020 15: 32 New
            +3
            I understand with my mind that this is a justified measure, but with my heart I cannot accept
            1. kalibr
              12 September 2020 16: 03 New
              0
              Remember the words spoken to Shurochka Azarova when she ran away from the French with the captain's package? "Alas, my friend, we are at war!"
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 September 2020 06: 28 New
    +7
    Wow, Napoleon has a camp bed. Mattresses to carry a couple of carts must be, princess and a pea. But the tsar did not regret a couple of tens of rubles, and the title was higher for Napoleon, and history could develop in a different direction. The peasants, of course, picked up on the battlefield that the Sonderkommando were not gathered. The stirrups, harness, horseshoes of the horses were cut down and broken. Well, everything was filmed from the soldiers. The peasants lived poorly, an extra piece of iron in the house would not hurt, I think they did not disdain the same with horse meat. Raven and Ravens were not many, there is nothing to eat, it is now their divorce. But the French had for the most part tin buttons, in fact, the dishes were soldered with tin. And in the cold the tin began to crumble, tin fever or plague. The French were surprised when their pants began to fall off. I had to use ropes and garters. A huge number of people died from wounds, bayonet into the ground, then into the stomach, death without options. It is unlikely that the soldier was aiming where to hit, in the stomach is the easiest way, and even twirled with a gun. They write that typhus also began. I still don't understand why the jewelry was not taken out of Moscow, maybe they were afraid to make public that there was gold, but according to the documents, the beggar, the wife and son are rich, and the owner is a beggar, therefore they do not pay taxes. Why Napoleon is considered great, I now consider him a brute. What is the difference between Hitler and him, I don’t understand, he killed a huge number of people, if Napoleon had Hitler’s ability to destroy more, beast.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 12 September 2020 08: 45 New
      +5
      But the French had tin buttons for the most part, in fact, the dishes were soldered with tin. And in the cold, tin began to crumble, tin fever or plague. The French were surprised when their pants began to fall off. I had to use ropes and garters.
      The famous "button accordion"! laughing
      1.The instrument metal on the uniforms of the French infantry was yellow, respectively - brass.
      2. Tin begins to break down at -31 Celsius. Was it so cold that winter? In your next comment, you deny this. Where is the logic?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 12 September 2020 09: 28 New
        +4
        Below -31-33 degrees Celsius, the rate of destruction reaches its maximum limits. Metal loses strength at much higher temperatures, it is not necessary to destroy the entire button, just enough for the thinnest part to lose strength. A bow for example, or a bridge between the holes. wassat Plus, if the tin-alloy is dirty, then the process goes much faster. Of course, this is not fatal, you can tie a stick, you can also use strings. But about copper, France was a poor country, and copper is needed for cannons. Maybe the buttons were of different colors, of course the British had not yet come up with, and the copper is not yellow, but rather red. And you need to clean it - their buttons need to be every day, otherwise they will turn green. And the clothes go bad, turn green. drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 12 September 2020 09: 41 New
          +3
          Actually, I was talking about brass. Yes, brass oxides stain clothes, to prevent this, in field conditions, buttons were tied with cloth.
          1. Free wind
            Free wind 12 September 2020 15: 09 New
            +3
            Yes, I agree, anything can happen, My girlfriend's real gold ring turned green after 2 weeks, she bought it from a gypsy woman for 30 thousand at a cheap price. It so happened, natural factors were superimposed. I persuaded her not to hand over the ring to the commission. because it's a rarity. she in the sense. wassat And laughter and sin.
        2. rich
          rich 12 September 2020 10: 09 New
          +5
          After Borodin: the living and the dead

          Here are paintings by Christian Wilhelm von Faber du Forat, a German battle painter. In 1812, with the rank of lieutenant, he served in the reserve park in the 2nd battery of the 25th Württemberg division in the corps of Marshal Ney. I arrived at the Borodino field on September 5 (17), i.e. already 10 days after the battle, he witnessed the consequences of the battle and the actions of the detachment of I.S. Dorokhova on the Mozhaisk road
          Bridge over the Koloch River near the village of Borodino, September 17, 1812 (10 days after the battle)

          On the Borodino field 10 days after the battle.
          1. rich
            rich 12 September 2020 10: 12 New
            +6
            Most of the corpses were burned.
            Memoirs of F. Glinka, Russian poet, participant in the war of 1812
            The government took care to free the Russian fields from the corpses that had been lying on the Borodino field for 52 days, and no doubt would have doubled the infection if they had been left until the warm spring days. And then one night, one long frosty night, the sky over the frozen field of Borodinskoye was engulfed in a red glow. Residents of Valuev, Ratov, Bezzubov, Rykachev, Yelnya and Borodin himself, notified by a summons from the Zemsky court, crawled out of their straw burrows and, with long poles, axes and pitchforks, went to the Borodinskoye field, where the peasants of the roundabout volosts were already working.
            Long rows of fires made of dry brushwood and resinous firewood crackled on the banks of the Stonets, Ognik and Kolocha. People with blackened faces from soot, in dirty rags, with huge hooks, poured indiscriminately the bodies of those killed on these huge bonfires. And these bodies were burning, and thick clouds of thick whitish smoke swept over the Borodino field. Bones of natives of happy countries, Languedoc and Provence, bones of the descendants of ancient French knights, old princes, new counts and generals of the new French empire, descendants of ancient feudal lords, strong German barons, bones of grenadiers, gamekeepers and musketeers of the French and Napoleonic iron men burned on those bonfires. And the bones of the armed hordes of the twenty peoples of the invasion burned, burned out and collapsed! The bones of the people who were burning to return to their homeland, to the fragrant groves of Italy, to the blossoming valleys of Andalusia, were so impatiently awaited by fathers and mothers in magnificent castles and the bride at the wedding altar!
            Eternal titles, distinctions, breed, nobility - everything burned! And was there really no creature that would drop a tear of love on these bones of enemies and fellow tribesmen?
            F. Glinka: Winter has passed. Warm spring rains watered the vicinity of Mozhaisk, and the grasses and vegetation grew high in the places of the great massacre. The villagers said among themselves: "Our land has become full!" And the officials of the local police, checking the reports of sotskie, village elders and volost clerks, deduced the gross result: "... All human and horse corpses in the Borodino field were burned: ninety-three thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine."
            1. rich
              rich 12 September 2020 10: 15 New
              +5
              In historiography, two figures are given regarding human and equine corpses: a) 58 630 human and 31 675 horse; b) 67 human and 000 horse corpses, buried and burnt. It is no longer possible to determine the exact number of disposed corpses after the sanitary cleaning of the Borodino field ...
          2. Free wind
            Free wind 12 September 2020 11: 12 New
            +4
            Embellished, of course, the bodies in 3-5 days will swell like balloons. shoes removed and weapons not taken. Maybe for finding a weapon in a peasant's house, the death penalty is laid. The bridge is somehow not correct, it was usually made of untreated round timber, so stronger and faster, and here not only is the top made of edged board, but also the timber is wrong, it is very difficult to dissolve the timber into boards and timber manually. The artist painted for beauty purposes.
            1. rich
              rich 12 September 2020 11: 25 New
              +4
              ... I did not serve in the Napoleonic army request I don't know how the bridges were built then. However, I will note that Christian Wilhelm von Faber du Fort is a German (Kingdom of Württemberg) battle artist, in the rank of lieutenant, he went with Napoleon's "Great Army" throughout the Russian campaign as part of the corps of Marshal M. Ney.
              Researchers of Faber du Fora's creativity recognize that his works have not only artistic but also historical significance. Digby Smith compares him to a war correspondent.
              And here is the opinion of V.E. Anfilatov, art critic and chief specialist of the Borodino military-historical museum-reserve
              If A. Adam excelled in the severity of the transfer of what he saw, in the transfer of form, as well as in color, creating at the same time true artistic images, then the drawings and paintings of Faber du Fora are more worthy of attention and gratitude, because they have literal value of documentary, source material for every historian
              1. Free wind
                Free wind 12 September 2020 15: 28 New
                +5
                I do not disagree with historians, you or someone else, there are simply inconsistencies. It was written - not drawn from nature. Let's say the French were advancing along it? Or were the Russians retreating?, In any case, the bodies can be removed, and so it is clear that the bodies were going around, I would have dragged them to the shore. Well, there are also questions about the bodies on the battlefield, but I will not say anything about smells, that I have recently lost the habit of such smells, otherwise I will turn it inside out.
                1. rich
                  rich 12 September 2020 15: 40 New
                  +6
                  I disagree with historians, you or someone else, there are just inconsistencies

                  Alexander hi so that's why we have a dispute to discuss, express our opinion and pay attention to inconsistencies. Than the forum itself is valuable.
                  Best regards
                  Dmitriy
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 09: 31 New
      +2
      But do not regret the tsar a couple of tens of rubles, and the title is higher for Napoleon, history could develop in a different way
      Well then, it's more likely the queen ..
    3. kalibr
      12 September 2020 11: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      Why Napoleon is considered great, I now consider him a brute. What is the difference between Hitler and him, I don’t understand, he killed a huge number of people, if Napoleon had Hitler’s ability to destroy more, beast.

      Very mature reasoning. There were military abilities, but there was no political talent, alas. He could have become truly Great, but he did not ...
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 12 September 2020 19: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr

        Very mature reasoning.

        Extremely stupid reasoning. Napoleon is not ideal, but nevertheless he built his power on the foundation laid by the French revolution that raised him.

        " Freedom equality Brotherhood!" People who do not understand what these three words mean are not smart, to put it mildly.
      2. BAI
        BAI 12 September 2020 22: 15 New
        +6
        Plato: "There is no man who is perfect."
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 September 2020 06: 33 New
    +2
    In addition, there were some wounded who died some time after the battle. So usually the number of casualties is brought to 44-45 thousand people. In particular, the historian Troitsky, on the basis of data from the Military Registration Archive of the General Staff, names the losses at 45,6 thousand people.

    The same was believed 180 years ago, in 1838:







    French historians also note that the number of deaths from wounds was enormous. So, the captain of the 30th line regiment S. François, for example, testified that in the Kolotsky monastery, where the main military hospital of the Napoleonic army was located, in the 10 days that followed the battle, 3/4 of the wounded died.

    One of the reasons is that many medical carts were abandoned by order of Napoleon back in Gomel to speed up the advance of the army.

    And one more touch: if many of Borodin's wounded Russians survived, then the French did not escape at all: when retreating from Moscow, by order of Napoleon, they were taken on carts, but, soon, they were thrown onto the road, right under the wheels behind the next carts (Caulaincourt)
    1. rich
      rich 12 September 2020 10: 19 New
      +8
      The tomb of the unknown soldier was erected in 1962 near the western gates of the Spaso-Borodinsky monastery, at the right (northern) flush. The author of the tombstone is the architect N.N. Godlevsky. The inscription on the monument: "The remains of an unknown Russian soldier of 1962 were found at this place in August 1812"
      1. rich
        rich 12 September 2020 10: 25 New
        +6
        In the materials on the history of 1812, volume XX +, I don't remember exactly, there is a summary table of the collection of corpses by counties by month. Cleaning began in Mozhaisk in 1812
        There is an excellent article about cleaning up corpses by A.A. Sukhanov "Reports of the Mozhaisk authorities on the burial of the bodies of fallen soldiers in the Borodino field in 1812-1813" from the collection of 2004. For some reason, the site of the Borodino museum does not open, see here: -http: //www.museum.ru/museum/1812/Library/Borodino_conf/2005a/Sukhanov.pdf
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 12 September 2020 16: 11 New
        +3
        Colleague Rich, in fairness: after 150 years, it is difficult to distinguish the remains of a Russian from a German or a French.
        This is when the decision was made: to create the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Near Zvenigorod they found a mass grave, and in it a warrior in a well-preserved gymnast. There is no doubt about it, but 150 years ago .....
        1. rich
          rich 12 September 2020 16: 30 New
          +2
          Vera hi
          Climbed in the internet. - The state of the remains was such that there is still no consensus about who the soldier or officer is buried there. However, the fact that it was our warrior is beyond doubt. I can’t say on what grounds they determined it, it’s not described on the internet, and I myself am not competent. It is best to ask these subtleties from the search engine members of the forum.
          Best regards
          Dmitriy
          1. rich
            rich 12 September 2020 16: 34 New
            +5
            While poking around on the Internet on your question, I found another photo of the burial place of Russian soldiers in 1812.

            a photo. an abandoned mass grave of Russian soldiers who died for the Fatherland, August 26 (September 7) 1812 "in the depths of the Utitsky forest


          2. VIP
            VIP 12 September 2020 17: 13 New
            +2
            I read that the deceased did not have a sword belt and buttonhole without insignia.
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    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 September 2020 11: 28 New
      +2
      And these are the celebrations dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Borodino - with the participation of all the highest officials of Russia and its troops.



      The original monument, blown up by beasts to ... the 120th anniversary of the battle was somewhat different from today's remake ...
      1. rich
        rich 12 September 2020 15: 46 New
        +3
        Thank you, Andrey, for another rare photo. You post something curious as always
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 12 September 2020 16: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Rich
          Thank you, Andrey, for another rare photo. You post something curious as always

          I have a Russian magazine for 1912, and there these events could not get around!

          And the REAL monuments of Borodino, unburied / restored, can be seen in the photo of Prokudin-Gorsky in 1912: for example, this is how the REAL burial of Bagration looked, with the body of the prince, before the explosion by animals.



          Now it is somewhat different and the prince is NOT there.
  • igordok
    igordok 12 September 2020 07: 32 New
    +4

    Familiar pictures of the French walking in the snow. But this is autumn, October and November.
    In 1812. was autumn really frosty and snowy?
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 12 September 2020 08: 18 New
      +6
      As the researchers write, the winter was even milder than usual. Someone came up with a general frost. and went and went. Denis Davydov, remember this ?, a partisan-poet, was indignant about this. Hungry, lousy, clothes spattered, plus they managed to get hold of alcohol. The lights were often alcohol-based. Well, when crossing the Berezino, the river was not frozen, what frosts, slush, it might be cold, but not wild frosts.
      1. kalibr
        12 September 2020 12: 48 New
        +3
        But, you see, Alexander, how many OUR people are frozen!
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 12 September 2020 13: 01 New
          +2
          I don’t think we were better off if we followed the French on their heels. The carts did not keep up, there was also nothing to eat, so they ate horses. There is nowhere to dry the clothes, and for two or three days of dampness and sweat, the clothes are creeping into pieces. And the skin is that of Jean, that of Ivan .. And who has already been recruited into the soldiers? Surely everyone was already taken away, somehow I did not ask this question.
        2. BAI
          BAI 12 September 2020 22: 19 New
          +1
          Who said they were ours? If the French are coming, ours are not there. Cossacks pursued the French along the old Smolensk road. The Russian army marched in parallel and did not come into contact with the French. Where the French marched, there was no Russian army, only partisans and Cossacks.
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 12 September 2020 16: 18 New
        0
        It turns out that in the autumn of 1812 there was no such frost?
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 12 September 2020 17: 32 New
          +1
          It turns out that so.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 12 September 2020 07: 41 New
    +7
    Not quite the topic. In St. Petersburg, one of the guides once said a phrase (for the correctness of which I can not vouch, most likely he said for a catchphrase): How many horses died during the construction of St. Petersburg is recorded and known, but how many people did not, no one counted them.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 12 September 2020 08: 50 New
      +9
      most likely for a catchphrase said
      Quite right! One of the most common guide tales.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 12 September 2020 08: 29 New
    +6
    I didn’t think about it. The picture of the incineration of the remains is impressive.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 12 September 2020 09: 34 New
    +3
    There isn't much to discuss. The losses were consistent with the style of warfare. If you compare the losses in other battles of that time, then the losses at Borodino do not really stand out against their background.
    The author cited a quote attributed to Zhukov, "women are still giving birth." This is the quintessence of the military tactics of that era.
  • svp67
    svp67 12 September 2020 09: 48 New
    +5
    Thank you hi
    The topic is really very little disclosed. I would like to add two points.
    1.On both sides, combat units suffered the greatest losses, which led to Kutuzov's decision to leave Moscow, he did not trust the level of combat readiness of those troops that he had left. The next such battle could lead to the complete defeat of the Russian army, it took time for additional training of replenishment.
    2. Forcing the French to return along the same road on which they attacked, they were forced to go through this field, which had a very bad effect on their morale
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 12 September 2020 10: 33 New
      +5
      Why Kutuzov decided to retreat is known only to him, and everything else, incl. our guesses. I do not agree that Kutuzov did not trust the remaining troops. Those. before the battle he trusts them, and after that he no longer! Maybe someone "messed up" of them? This was not the case. Most likely, Kutuzov's plan did not work.
      And the second thing. Show me a friend the way from Moscow to Europe other than Smolensk.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 September 2020 12: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: ee2100
        Maybe someone "messed up" of them?

        There were also those who "screwed up", but the main problem was that there were too high losses in well-trained combat units, it was not possible to quickly fill them with the required number of trained soldiers. Already in the Tarutino camp, they even went to the fact that they again gave the opportunity to serve the veterans who wished to return to duty.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 September 2020 19: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: ee2100
        Why Kutuzov decided to retreat is known only to him, and everything else, incl. our guesses. I do not agree that Kutuzov did not trust the remaining troops. Those. before the battle he trusts them, and after that he no longer! Maybe someone "messed up" of them? This was not the case. Most likely, Kutuzov's plan did not work.
        And the second thing. Show me a friend the way from Moscow to Europe other than Smolensk.

        There were at least two "old and new Smolensk roads"!
        hi
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 13 September 2020 01: 11 New
          +1
          1. As far as I know, they began to build a new road after 1830.
          2. Where does the new Smolensk road lead?
      3. BAI
        BAI 12 September 2020 22: 20 New
        +3
        There were 2 of them: the old and the new Smolensk roads. Napoleon walked back and forth along the old one.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 12 September 2020 10: 25 New
    +5
    judging by these documents, the work on the burial of the remains began on November 14, 1812 and continued until May 6, 1813.
    ,,, I once asked a question to one article, (something about the crusaders in the East, the city was taken, 10 thousand dead defenders and citizens): how long did it take to clean up the city? So not only did they minus the question, and answered that the funeral teams would clear the city in 3 days. request Is it true or not?
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 12 September 2020 10: 37 New
      +6
      You will not receive "inconvenient" answers to "inconvenient" questions. At best, they will remain silent. And the minus is really for you - you need to ask the right questions, and it is better to praise the author.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 12 September 2020 11: 22 New
      +6
      Sergei! hi
      Let me give you another example. About 1631 townspeople and city defenders fell victim to the "Magdeburg wedding (20000). Their bodies were dumped (not buried!) In the Elbe for two weeks."
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 12 September 2020 11: 43 New
        +5
        Here! Vyaches Olegovich highlighted an interesting point. And what about us, how, they played a war, and who removes the corpses and how the infrastructure is restored, they write little about this.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 12 September 2020 11: 58 New
        +4
        ,,, in the same place the water probably became unusable recourse
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 12 September 2020 12: 04 New
          +5
          No more unusable than, after the Pope's decree, to dump the bodies of plague victims into rivers.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 12 September 2020 12: 20 New
            +4
            belay
            ,,, in India the rivers are clean.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 12 September 2020 12: 48 New
              +4
              Uh-huh, especially in Mumbai
              1. kalibr
                12 September 2020 15: 57 New
                +1
                Anton, I don't know, but my daughter has a friend in India, she periodically sends me a photo. From the temple of rats, for example ... it is better not to look before eating. And somehow I sent a photo of people swimming in some sacred river. Women, children ... and nearby are the remains of burnt corpses ... and not much burnt. And they swim and NOBODY gets sick! She recognized it! I don't know if there is a lot of silver in the water, or something else. But it is so!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 12 September 2020 16: 13 New
                  +3
                  India is a federal state divided into states, some of which are much poorer than others. Residents of a poor state require a visa to enter the rich state. The social stratification is huge! Well, Mumbai is officially recognized as one of the dirtiest metropolitan areas in the world.
                  1. kalibr
                    12 September 2020 16: 19 New
                    +1
                    She sent me a photo from the park, where everything - fences and buildings, is made of garbage. Very interesting! Especially fences!
                2. ecolog
                  ecolog 12 September 2020 23: 39 New
                  +2
                  most likely this is simply not being followed. Sorry for the comparison, but a cat-dog on the street lives on average 4-6 years, at home - 10-12. Anthropologists also talk about ancient skeletons with intact teeth and bones - a comrade simply died from the first sore. But the whole broken and toothless one is a true long-liver and a healthy man.
                  It is clear that the immunity of those surviving in conditions similar to those mentioned by you, those who have adapted to those conditions, must be high enough, but mortality, especially child and maternal mortality there must go off scale.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 12 September 2020 17: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: bubalik
              in India the rivers are clean.

              Oh yes! One glance at the local people will be enough to understand what kind of * clean * rivers there are. And this is not irony? no
    3. kalibr
      12 September 2020 11: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: bubalik
      So not only did they minus the question, and answered that the funeral teams would clear the city in 3 days.

      I didn’t minus you. But nowhere was there information about this ...
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 12 September 2020 11: 45 New
        +5
        Yes, the article may not have been yours, it doesn't matter. The main thing is that you described an interesting moment, cleaning up the victims after the battle.
        It was still winter, but in the East? Heat, infections immediately occur if everything is not removed in time.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 12 September 2020 12: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: bubalik
          It was still winter, but in the East?

          And what about the East? If the desert, it’s quite simple - it dried up, covered with sand.
          I once had a chance to examine a corpse in the attic of an apartment building. He lay for a month under a hot water pipe and near an open dormer. Result: half of the body (upper) decomposed and skeletonized, half mummified. If the air walks there is no source of moisture and a hygroscopic environment around (ordinary earth that can absorb moisture) - everything is mummified.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 12 September 2020 13: 39 New
            +3
            hi ,,, well, in the desert, and in the city? If all the townspeople were massacred, who removed so many corpses?
            July 15, 1099 Jerusalem.
            10 (Wilhelm of Tire), 000 (Matthew of Edessa) or 65 (Ibn al-Athir) killed.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 12 September 2020 17: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: bubalik
              If all the townspeople were massacred, who removed so many corpses?

              Sergey, welcome! As a version.
              And who does the dirtiest work under such circumstances? The prisoners and the local population. Conclusion from this: not all were massacred, some were left. yes
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 12 September 2020 19: 21 New
                +2
                ,,, what prisoners? if all were massacred ,, the crusaders themselves dragged perhaps winked
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 12 September 2020 19: 40 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bubalik
                  the crusaders themselves carried something

                  Yes, they could have strained the local Christians. And what, all the crusaders were knights? There were no similarities * funeral teams * in the troops? At all? The knights themselves dug graves for the dead? recourse
                  1. bubalik
                    bubalik 12 September 2020 20: 04 New
                    +3
                    knights?

                    ,,,such? bully
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 12 September 2020 20: 13 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bubalik
                      knights?

                      ,,,such? bully

                      Appreciated.Beautiful!
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 12 September 2020 20: 04 New
                    +1
                    There was no semblance of * funeral teams * in the troops? At all? The knights themselves dug graves for the dead?
                    Did not have. Absolutely. Yes, themselves, for the European chivalry of the end of the 11th century is by no means similar to the chivalry of the end of the thirteenth century.
                    And Christians in Jerusalem, sample 1099, were a vanishingly small number
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 12 September 2020 20: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Did not have. Absolutely.

                      Good evening Anton!
                      Well, something like transport teams, surely existed?
                      And they did not cut the population of Jerusalem at the root, they did not touch the Christians. Purposefully Muslims.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 September 2020 20: 22 New
                        +2
                        Sergei! hi
                        The wagon train, of course, was, and not small. There was even a call from the leaders of the troops of the cross (part of the general appeal) to the "obozniki". But, to force (!) To do something, no other European, apart from the desire of the latter, in 1099, could not.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 September 2020 20: 28 New
                        +2
                        Then back to Sergey's question.
                        Who removed the corpses from the streets of Jerusalem? belay
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 September 2020 20: 33 New
                        +1
                        Actually, the same creators of these corpses. There were no others left.
                        And most likely they burned ...
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 12 September 2020 20: 11 New
              +1
              It probably was.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 12 September 2020 20: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                It probably was.

                Now I've searched. February 24, 2019 there was an article dedicated to the storming of Jerusalem. And then Sergey asked this very question. Time passed ... There is no answer to it to this day ...
                And there is no one to come and tell ...
                -But it was like this ... bully
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 12 September 2020 21: 04 New
                  +2
                  -But it was like this ...
                  Do you want someone to encroach on Shpakovsky's corporate slogan? Well, in principle, I can ... Unless, of course, Vyacheslav Olegovich officially registers it. laughing
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 12 September 2020 21: 10 New
                    +2
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Shpakovsky's corporate slogan?

                    Nope, I don’t want to. laughing laughing laughing
                    But a year and a half has passed, and there is still no concrete answer. Eh, poor Sergei! bully
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 12 September 2020 21: 18 New
                    +1
                    Why "poor"? I kind of answered, "in the axes" to him and you ...
                  3. Phil77
                    Phil77 12 September 2020 21: 23 New
                    +2
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    I kind of answered, "in the axes" to him and you ...

                    Version, amigo, version. The opinion of a private person. With a high degree of probability. Especially about the burning of corpses.
    4. Phil77
      Phil77 12 September 2020 19: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      July 15, 1099 Jerusalem.

      The local Muslim population was massacred, and the Jews also fell under the hot hand.
  • kalibr
    12 September 2020 15: 53 New
    +2
    Ha, Michael! I have a fellow militia major, and so he told me how he removed the body of a homeless woman from the heating main and how, holding it in his arms, otherwise it would not work, he crawled out of the hatch with him in an embrace. The two younger ones ... after college ... one was fainted, and the other was vomiting. He did it. So in the heat from the heating main it did not rot, but turned ... into a mummy !!!
    1. BAI
      BAI 12 September 2020 22: 26 New
      +4
      I witnessed the conversation on the train. The operative told how in the spring they went to the "snowdrop". Four of them are carrying the corpse, one of the carriers is an intern, the first trip. On the slope they slipped, staggered, a leg came off the corpse and remained in the hands of the trainee. The intern is hysterical - they had to drink vodka (as they knew, they took it with them, or they constantly take it for such things in life).
  • bubalik
    bubalik 12 September 2020 15: 26 New
    +3
    , when there was an opportunity, they buried.

    “The next day, the regiment sadly proceeded to the funeral of its comrades. While the wounded were being bandaged, graves were dug for the dead; when the graves were ready, they began to bury the dead. A touching moment of burial came. About 2 am at a hut, whipped up from fresh birch branches and spruce, stood in a semicircle with burning wax candles in their hands a huge crowd of Life Cossacks, gamekeepers and artillerymen. Against the light background of this gathering, the hunched, decrepit figure of a small old man stood out sharply - Opposite the entrance to the hut there was a team to pay the last honor. And after this, officers and soldiers carried out of the hut on folding stretchers all those who died that day (the battle near Vitebsk) on the field of battle and honor and were installed side by side. and the soldiers, covering themselves with a large cross, whispered: “God rest.” Many of those present had tears. The dead were dressed in ceremonial uniforms, their faces were open. of which there were gaping wounds on the head, while others' faces were terribly hacked with saber blows. After a short funeral service, the priest, kneeling down, said in a rattling voice: "God rest the souls of Thy servants who have fallen asleep in the battle of the slain and make them an eternal memory." The singers sang eternal memory, dull sobs were heard. Officers and non-commissioned officers surrounded the mortal remains of the heroes, covered them with greatcoats and, holding on to a stretcher for 4 people, moved to the sound of a funeral march to a small mound of fresh earth. At the end of the lithium, they began to bring the deceased one by one to the grave and carefully lower them into it. When everything was laid down, the priest threw a handful of earth. "
    IN AND. Godunov "History of the 91st Infantry Regiment of Dvina. 1805-1905" Yuriev, Livonia. 1905., pp. 64-65.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 September 2020 16: 15 New
    +3
    What to do, they didn't know how to print high-quality photos then

    They even knew how to do this particular photograph - Shevardinsky redoubt:

    there she is . real photo 1912 years performed by Prokudin-Gorsky:

    But her printing in the book, yes, not very ...
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 12 September 2020 16: 28 New
    +2
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for your work. As always, we were not too lazy to pick up illustrations.
    R.
    S
    Samokish really had a wonderful schedule
    1. kalibr
      12 September 2020 18: 53 New
      +5
      Dear Astra! In such cases, you cannot be lazy. You need to go to the museum, ask for a binder of magazines and ... sit, leaf through and shoot. And think that when your work will make you smarter, will add pleasant emotions to someone, someone ... will be interested and insert something into their work or the work of a son or daughter? Isn't this the direct responsibility of every person? An article will soon be released with photographs showing the mitres of Peter III, but without glass. I got great pleasure from this work. Get it too!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 12 September 2020 20: 25 New
        +2
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! And for today's two articles, and in the "mainstream of the general paradigm"!
  • VIP
    VIP 12 September 2020 16: 39 New
    +1
    "This" tuta "just delighted me" apparently, the officials then taught Russian poorly?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 12 September 2020 17: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: VIP
      did officials then poorly learn Russian?

      The prototype of a bureaucratic * Newspeak *?bully
  • Kwas
    Kwas 12 September 2020 18: 39 New
    +4
    “I could, with one movement of this pen,” he says thoughtfully, walking about, taking two fingers of a large goose feather sticking out on the table, “with one movement of the pen, dissolve the entire army of your sovereign. It would be enough for me to sign a decree on the release of your peasants. one soldier would not have remained with Alexander. But I am a monarch myself. I cannot raise the rabble against another monarch, even if he was my enemy. "
    Napoleon said this later, for history. And "then" he understood perfectly well that by such a decree he would first of all (before the Russian peasants find out about it) deprive himself of allies, Austrians, Prussians, and above all Poles (with their own serfdom).
    And he couldn’t accept that!
    1. kalibr
      12 September 2020 18: 58 New
      +3
      Yes, here they are the limited capabilities of any person, even a powerful one. And it would be great if he did it. Or the same Hitler announced the abolition of collective farms and the transfer of all the land to the peasants, that the Germans always loved Russians from the time of Catherine the Germans, and that he was fighting the Communists, but not the Russian people ... He would have forbidden cruelty, abolished robbery. "An army of liberators is coming to you, brothers!" I wonder how long he would have been Fuhrer then?
      1. ecolog
        ecolog 13 September 2020 00: 13 New
        0
        And then it makes sense for the Germans to fight? And the Soviet government was able to give a lot to too many by this time. There was something to fight for.
        1. kalibr
          13 September 2020 06: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: ecolog
          And then it makes sense for the Germans to fight?

          Well, it made sense. "Friendship forever and resources to boot". But for this it was necessary to prepare public opinion differently.
      2. Kwas
        Kwas 13 September 2020 08: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Would forbid cruelty, abolish robbery. "An army of liberators is coming to you, brothers!" I wonder how long he would have been Fuhrer then?

        I think not for long. The first question that would be asked to him: "And if not rob, then why fight?" and the second, "How can we develop these lands if these subhumans are not carved on them?" - that's not what you taught us!
        1. kalibr
          13 September 2020 12: 06 New
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          Quote: Kwas
          I think not for long. The first question that would be asked to him: "And if not rob, then why fight?" and the second, "How can we develop these lands if these subhumans are not carved on them?" - that's not what you taught us!

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      3. Kwas
        Kwas 13 September 2020 13: 45 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        And it would be great if he did it.

        By the way, here are some fantasies about "alternative history".
        Let's say Napoleon said "the land to the peasants!" And put into effect his "civil code" on the territory of Russia.
        Naturally, the Austrians, Prussians, Poles immediately break away from him. Most likely, they would not have fought against, but they would have gone home. As a result, the army immediately loses half of its offensive potential, that is, we are definitely not going to Moscow. Further, Alexander and the nobility first of all learn about this (the peasantry is not belmes in French, the French in Russian) and with a high probability, forcedly, issues their own response manifesto. Let's say, more modest, but still better than in 1861, with the condition "win - free". But the Russian army also loses a fair amount of combat capability due to social conflict (the nobles are not Decembrists yet!). As a result - a pacification after a local war and some kind of agrarian reform, perhaps even collective farms wink ... But rather - a mess and confusion. belay
        What do you think?
        1. kalibr
          13 September 2020 15: 48 New
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          Your fantasy works well. I myself did not think, but after thinking about what you have written, I think that it is quite logical. Well, to leave, maybe not everyone would leave, but ... there would be conflicts within the army for sure. Both Napoleon himself and Alexander. "I have come to give you freedom!" sounds cool ... And yes, both emperors would try to make peace as soon as possible. An excellent topic for an AI novel, by the way. Think ... maybe it will be yours ?. Sokolov, read Tarle and ... go ahead!
          1. Kwas
            Kwas 13 September 2020 20: 28 New
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            I read both Sokolov and Tarle, but I don’t overestimate my knowledge, and I’m reluctant to screw up, besides, I write extremely succinctly. There are a couple of ideas on other topics, but so far there is a sorely lack of time. I'll write - I'll post it here, here the alternatives are already wandering around.
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 12 September 2020 19: 31 New
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    The article is simply gorgeous! The author is very grateful, and thanks a lot!

    Although there are small claims on some details, the very fact of the review based on real, earthly documents, so to speak, cannot but rejoice.
  • BAI
    BAI 12 September 2020 21: 46 New
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    1.
    Here, for example, are photographs of exhibits from the exhibition that opened in Moscow on the 100th anniversary of the battle.

    The anniversary was celebrated on a grand scale. They even found living participants in the war, one of whom died during a trip to Moscow to celebrate.
    2.
    And then someone will say that the same Kutuzov felt sorry for his soldiers? The goal for him was in the first place, but for everything else ... women, what for? For him, the soldier was the same "mechanism provided for by the article", as for all other military leaders of that time

    And what to do with advice in Fili:
    Borodin's battle, after which the Russian army was forced to continue the retreat, convinced Kutuzov of the inevitability of leaving Moscow. The council in Fili on September 1 (13), it has already made a decision in advance. In order not to sound the rocky words alone, he suggested that he open his advice to General Barklai de Tolli. Barklai and said: “Having preserved Moscow, Russia does not survive from the war as hard, razor-sharp; but having saved the apmia, they still don’t destroy the Report ”.
    Kutuzov, who didn’t express himself at the mercy of the question, made the mark on his advice, without unnecessary preconditions and summary, suggesting to give everyone a range of options.

    And this too (E. Tarle, "Napoleon's Invasion of Russia".):
    “And not only it was difficult and dangerous, according to Kutuzov, to start a new war with Napoleon, but it was not at all necessary. The Russian people defended themselves, defeated the invincible, earned themselves immortal glory. Why liberate and strengthen the British and Germans, neighbors, and therefore possible dangerous enemies in the future? "
    1. kalibr
      13 September 2020 06: 27 New
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      We also save the car, the tools, the computer ... but this is a little different. And to take care of the army and the soldiers are different things.
      1. oleg2016.sever
        oleg2016.sever 13 September 2020 18: 44 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        We also save the car, the tools, the computer ... but this is a little different. And to take care of the army and the soldiers are different things.

        Good evening. War is generally wasteful in relation to people, and even more so to people in uniform.
        But the Napoleonic soldiers rushed to their death in enemy territory, and the Russians, who fell behind, who were left behind due to illness. But the Russian soldiers were still in a better position than the Caucasians abandoned by their comrades, often still alive, stripped to the bone by their own colleagues.
        1. kalibr
          13 September 2020 18: 47 New
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          Quote: oleg2016.sever
          But the Russian soldiers were still in a better position than the Caucasians abandoned by their comrades, often still alive, stripped by their own colleagues to the bone

          Of course! Here at least the peasants could pick up and leave. And the Frenchman from them immediately received a club on the head!
          1. oleg2016.sever
            oleg2016.sever 13 September 2020 18: 57 New
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            Yes "shamyzhnik" from those times.
            Exactly a year ago, in a similar article about Napoleon's invasion, I spoke about the losses in the Battle of Borodino, I may be wrong, but you seem to agree with my calculations based on the losses of the French army officers and Junot's corps.
            1. kalibr
              13 September 2020 19: 01 New
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              Sorry, Oleg, but I don't remember this article. Year + 66 years ... you know. But we all have about the same sources, the manner of presentation differs mainly - ha ha! Unless you wrote that the Moscow fire was from an atomic bomb, then ... everything is fine!
              1. oleg2016.sever
                oleg2016.sever 13 September 2020 19: 12 New
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                No, I'm not an alternative.
                And the fire of Moscow, I think, is a combination of Russian arson and the riot of unbelted Napoleonic soldier-like, winners are not judged.
                1. kalibr
                  13 September 2020 19: 30 New
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                  Stoves were heated in the city, candles were burning in candlesticks. "A-ah, burn everything with a blue flame!" I overheated the furnaces that the French were burning - you rightly noticed that, so it blazed up. After all, Rostopchin at first denied the fact of arson, then he got used to it ...
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 September 2020 09: 53 New
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    But this is an interesting opinion about the "fire of Moscow"


    Interestingly, when wealthy people left Moscow, they deliberately left jewelry that you can put in your pocket, and took all the junk to Napoleon to troll? Where does such nonsense come from at all.
  • Stormsdruttin
    Stormsdruttin 15 September 2020 12: 45 New
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    what stench stood over the Borodino field a couple of weeks after the battle, especially since the autumn was warm

    Contemporaries of those events testify otherwise. Autumn of 1812 was early and cold, the corpses practically did not decompose. From the memoirs of F. Glinka 52 days after the battle:
    "Napoleon left Moscow. His troops, defeated at Maly Yaroslavl, rushed to seize the great Smolensk road, and some columns climbed it near Mozhaisk. Finally they approached the Borodinsky field. Everything was empty and dejected around this field, which once lived a terrible, fiery life ; now dead, icy. The surrounding villages were burned, the forests, bare in the fall and by the stationed troops, thinned out, a leaden sky hung over the half-whitewashed hills.

    And in this grave desolation corpses lay, corpses were scattered, corpses were piled in terrible hills! .. It was a cemetery without coffins! Thousands were scattered without burial.

    For fifty-two days they lay prey to the elements and air changes. Rare preserved the image of a person. The worm and decay have not touched those embraced by the cold; but other enemies appeared: the wolves fled in herds from all the forests of the Smolensk province; birds of prey flew from all the roundabout fields, and often forest predators argued with the air for the right to torment the dead. "