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Serial construction of Project 21300 rescue vessels postponed

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Serial construction of Project 21300 rescue vessels postponed

The Russian fleet was left without project 21300 submarine rescue vessels, the serial construction of ships of this type was postponed indefinitely. This is reported by Mil.Press FLOT with reference to sources in the Navy and the military-industrial complex.


According to the newspaper, the serial construction of Project 21300 rescuers, the Dolphin code, has been shifted to the right for an indefinite time. The main reason is the lack of the "most domestic" deep-water diving complex GVK-300. The only vessel of this type, available in the Russian Navy, the lead rescuer of project 21300 "Igor Belousov" has a foreign-made deep-water complex GVK-450 on board. According to sources, this complex is complex and expensive, besides there are problems with the supply of components for it in the context of sanctions.

To date, the laying of the first serial salvage vessel of project 21300 is impossible due to the absence of the GVK-300 developer. According to the publication, if the developer is determined, the development work will take from 2 to 4 years, the laying of the vessel is possible a year before the end of the work. It is not known how much it will take to build the ship, but the lead "Igor Belousov" was under construction for 10 years.

In the absence of a domestic deep-sea complex for rescue vessels, it is proposed as an alternative to contact a foreign developer of these systems or look for some other ways.

Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Navy to put into operation up to six rescue vessels of the project 21300.
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  1. leks
    leks 10 September 2020 11: 33 New
    15
    Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Navy to put into operation up to six rescue vessels of the project 21300.
    This epic with the rescue fleet seems to have lasted since the death of the nuclear submarine Kursk.
    1. sailor roman
      sailor roman 10 September 2020 11: 51 New
      +3
      The development of search and rescue systems for crews of emergency submarines on the ground and rescue ships in the Navy of the USSR and modern Russia is in leaps and bounds, from one accident to another or a disaster of submarines. If a serious accident of a submarine happens with the death of the crew, and the forces and means will immediately appear for the development of the project and the construction of the next rescuer. There would be no disaster with the submarine "Kursk", there would be no rescue ship "Igor Belousov".
      1. leks
        leks 10 September 2020 11: 57 New
        +4
        In the USSR, it seems like the rescue fleet was good, but in the 90s it was gone.
        Such as Igor Belousov for each fleet would have at least one ship.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 September 2020 12: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: leks
          Such as Igor Belousov for each fleet would have at least one ship.

          And so it was planned. But the whole problem is with the GVK.
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 10 September 2020 16: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: leks
          In the USSR, it seems like the rescue fleet was good, but in the 90s it was gone.

          Even rescue submarines were, in my opinion, preferable, since in this case rescue operations do not depend on the weather at the accident site.
          The nuclear submarine "Podmoskovye" entered service a couple of years ago, and it is capable of rescuing even under the ice. But one, and this is too little, in several places at the same time it cannot be,
          1. water
            water 11 September 2020 10: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Quote: leks
            In the USSR, it seems like the rescue fleet was good, but in the 90s it was gone.

            Even rescue submarines were, in my opinion, preferable, since in this case rescue operations do not depend on the weather at the accident site.
            The nuclear submarine "Podmoskovye" entered service a couple of years ago, and it is capable of rescuing even under the ice. But one, and this is too little, in several places at the same time it cannot be,

            Of course, for the Northern Fleet, along with surface ships - rescuers of submarines, a rescue submarine is very necessary. And there was once such a member of the Federation Council. After all, a situation is possible here in which the crew of an emergency submarine will have to be rescued from the podold. At the same time, BS-64 "Podmoskovye" is not a rescue submarine, but a special submarine. It does not have on board either a deep-sea diving complex or deep-sea rescue vehicles.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 11 September 2020 11: 36 New
              0
              Quote: watermark
              At the same time, BS-64 "Podmoskovye" is not a rescue submarine, but a special submarine. It has neither a deep-sea diving complex, nor deep-sea rescue vehicles on board.

              "... The nuclear submarine BS-64" Podmoskovye "was originally built according to project 667BDRM (NATO designation - Delta-IV). Now it has been converted according to project 09787 (Delta-IV Stretch) into a carrier of a special-purpose deep-sea vehicle. At the end of 2016, the Center ship repair "Zvezdochka" completed work on the modernization of the ship.
              The body of the AC-40 "Bester" apparatus is made of titanium alloy. Full underwater displacement - 50 tons. The working depth of immersion is 720 m, and the maximum one is 790 m. The device is capable of descending to the working depth at a speed of 0,5 knots. The batteries are located outside. Their power is enough for 4–5 dives to the maximum depth. .....
              ...... Bester is equipped with a docking system. The cavity of a special chamber under the influence of a pressure difference, like a large suction cup, is tightly held on the docking station of the emergency submarine. This allows the crew of a submarine in distress to be evacuated from a great depth by dry means. This method of rescue is considered the safest. The bathyscaphe can accommodate 22 people at a time. "
              https://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2018/06/07/86497
              1. water
                water 11 September 2020 14: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Bad_gr
                "... The nuclear submarine BS-64" Podmoskovye "was originally built according to project 667BDRM (NATO designation - Delta-IV). Now it has been converted according to project 09787 (Delta-IV Stretch) into a carrier of a special-purpose deep-sea vehicle. At the end of 2016, the Center ship repair "Zvezdochka" completed work on the modernization of the ship.

                The article you cited (by footnote) is definitely advertising! At the same time, in quoting, you missed an essential detail - "Bester" is a development of the late 80s of the last century. Airmobile, they tried to make it in 1993. However, the standard for delivery to the submarine base point turned out to be unsatisfactory. In addition, when the Bester is based on a submarine that does not have a diving complex, the rescued submariners have nowhere to undergo decompression. And yet, GUGI is not at all the organization that deals with search and rescue support for the actions of the Navy. He has his own tasks above the roof.
    2. Borik
      Borik 10 September 2020 12: 13 New
      +3
      What can I say, there are no GVKs of our own, there is no need to rely on imported ones - if the sanctions are not okay. And our naval chiefs did not bother with their GVK for a long time after the Kursk. Yes, during this time they could have already invented something. Not all the same to hope for abroad. And our submariners, God forbid, something like the Kursk will have to give their lives at the bottom of the sea. And in order to quickly have a GVK in our fleet, we need to fully allocate money for this business.
  2. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 10 September 2020 11: 35 New
    +4
    I remember the LADY said, they say that we do not have everything we will buy .. And according to the article, it's a shame that there is no developer ... Business is not interested. Returns will not be quick.
    1. ugol2
      ugol2 10 September 2020 11: 59 New
      +8
      I remember everyone watching the "Titanic" were proud that our Russian "Miras" were examining it, a depth of more than 3 kilometers, somewhere in the center of the Atlantic.
      Two years later - the tragedy with the nuclear submarine "Kursk", a depth of one hundred meters near the bases of the Northern Fleet.
      Our first question was: "Well, where are our Worlds? Why are they not saving?"
      The question fell into the void.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 10 September 2020 12: 04 New
        +9
        Believe me, an efficient rescuer is many times more difficult than those Worlds.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 10 September 2020 13: 52 New
        +9
        Our first question was: "Well, where are our" Worlds "?

        The device of the "Mir" type could not even be pulled by the USSR.

        "Mira" was built in 1987 by the Finnish company Rauma-Repola, or rather its subsidiary Rauma-Repola Oceanics, after the Canadians, Swedes and French abandoned under US pressure.

        The Americans tightly track all work in the field of deep sea research, even US citizen James Cameron quietly built his Deepsea Challenger in Australia.

        The Americans allowed the Finns, because they were sure that they could not. But they did, and the US bankrupted the firm in retaliation.
        The base ship, the research vessel Akademik Mstislav Keldysh, was also built by the Finns in 1981 at the Hollming shipyard.

        Now Mir-1 is an exhibit in the Museum of the World Ocean, Mir-2 is in a hangar at the Institute of Oceanology of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the port of Kaliningrad, external equipment has been partially dismantled from it.
        "Academician Mstislav Keldysh" was handed over for freight. winked
      3. K-612-O
        K-612-O 11 September 2020 08: 28 New
        0
        Let's start with where the Worlds were built? They are not Soviet / Russian, but sorry Finnish, ordered by the USSR, and they have different tasks, there are not even any gateways there.
        And the GVK was sour in the USSR as well, mostly also bought abroad.
    2. aglet
      aglet 10 September 2020 12: 58 New
      +4
      "Business is not interested"
      apart from business, we have a military-industrial complex, and a state order. nobody is interested. and the navy is military, it doesn’t seem to be a private state shop, but he’s not interested either.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 10 September 2020 12: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      I remember the LADY said, they say that what we do not have we will buy everything ..

      and someone else about the claw-scratch
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 September 2020 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And according to the article, it's a shame how that there is no developer ...

      Under the USSR, such a development was going on, and everything was already coming to an end, but you yourself know what happened. Now the Tethys Pro company is engaged in development, but either jointly, or buys imported equipment.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 September 2020 11: 35 New
    +5
    ... The main reason is the lack of the "most domestic" deep-water diving complex GVK-300.
    the head rescuer of project 21300 "Igor Belousov" has a deep-water complex GVK-450 on board and
    Are there any problems with the purchase of foreign analogues? And if it’s just a problem with import substitution, then you don’t need to inflate your cheeks, divers do not care what equipment they save ... I still remember my powerless anger when Kursk drowned ..
    1. frog
      frog 10 September 2020 11: 44 New
      +4
      Probably the same problem. For some reason they don't want to sell, the market repeat And domestic works on this topic turned out to be ... wink
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 10 September 2020 11: 54 New
        10
        forget about the market and the international division of labor, Russia will be strangled to its last breath, unfortunately our ruling elite is playing its game ... they don't care about Russia, just to fill their pocket
        1. frog
          frog 10 September 2020 13: 11 New
          0
          It was sarcasm if that wink Moreover, I am somewhat aware (quite a bit) of how it happened with this complex and, in general, with underwater affairs in terms of creating different ... things.
          unfortunately, our ruling elite is playing their game ... they don't care about Russia, just to fill their pocket

          So, you can fill your pockets in different ways, but that is ... Well, the customer is like the treasury (I'm talking about this project), so it's up to them, maybe they are .... All the same, the topic is not bad for a jigsaw repeat
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 10 September 2020 11: 45 New
      10
      Europeans don't sell key ingredients = no way to create.

      Similarly, the OIS Diamond for Googie hung. Got to the sanctions - he was towed to the intermediate cemetery of Amber to Kornilov.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 10 September 2020 13: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        Europeans don't sell key ingredients = no way to create.

        Similarly, the OIS Diamond for Googie hung. Got to the sanctions - he was towed to the intermediate cemetery of Amber to Kornilov.

        Well, and the local patriotic community argued that the sanctions were on our side, because they were only related to equipment for oil production, and now no one needs it anyway. fellow
      2. frog
        frog 10 September 2020 13: 14 New
        0
        Europeans don't sell key ingredients = no way to create.

        Not certainly in that way. We can do quite a lot of things that are not sold to us. Surprisingly. But there is just a nuance .... Very roughly, for every topic there is ...... an authorized ..... with a jigsaw. If he, suddenly, cannot / does not want - then yes, nothing will happen. The presence of offices that can / want in this regard does not play any role. I suspect you yourself know it fellow
    3. mvg
      mvg 10 September 2020 11: 53 New
      +4
      I remember my powerless anger when Kursk drowned

      The Norwegians and the British were ready to save immediately. There are more questions for ourselves. This version is more credible than a storm and a strong current.
      They do not sell technology, but they do not refuse to help.
    4. leks
      leks 10 September 2020 11: 53 New
      +9
      The fact is that after the death of the Kursk nuclear submarine, the responsible people beat them in the chest, that by 2010 we will create a rescue fleet that has no analogues. We will create the type ourselves, and if we cannot, we will buy it abroad. In the end, they did nothing, and after 2014 they will not do anything. The sanctions put an end to the purchase of foreign equipment.
      Everything had to be done in the XNUMXs.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 10 September 2020 12: 23 New
        +5
        Article dated 4th September. And someone even argued that all these toys are necessary and extremely important. Then toys
        get off, then the plans are huge as from the last "Sharks" gas carriers will make (about 15 years I hear about it).
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 September 2020 13: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And if it's just a problem in import substitution, then you don't need to inflate your cheeks, divers, no matter what equipment, save them
      about this is written in VO dated December 1, 2014.
      The development of the diving complex GVK-450 started in the middle of the last decade, but for some reason was delayed. Initially, the creation of the system was carried out by the Central Design Bureau "Lazurit" (Nizhny Novgorod), which was assisted by a number of enterprises, including Moscow company "Tethys Pro", which produces various diving equipment. According to reports, the first version of the draft GVK-450 was developed by the beginning of the current decade, but did not suit the military. The share of domestic components in the complex did not exceed 25-30 percent, because of which the customer decided to change the composition of contractors.
  4. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 10 September 2020 11: 37 New
    +7
    Hurray-patriots will come running, who will explain everything to us about getting up from their knees and the economy of Russia which is so coolly run by "effective managers" under the leadership of Putin
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 10 September 2020 11: 48 New
      -14
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Hurray-patriots will come running, who will explain everything to us about getting up from their knees and the economy of Russia which is so coolly run by "effective managers" under the leadership of Putin

      I put a minus. At least somehow closer to the topic, without general words.
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 10 September 2020 11: 51 New
        10
        Yes, even for a minus, I'm not here for the sake of pluses, I don't care about them ... On the contrary, if there are a lot of minuses, it means I hit the mark with a hurray-patriot. It's good
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 10 September 2020 11: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          I'm not here for the benefits, I don't care about them.

          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          I'm not here for the benefits, I don't care about them.

          It's good
          This is good, but you have to be closer to the topic, and not talk about the purity of the sorting as a result of the devastation (this is from Bulgakov's "Dog's Heart") Cited as a metaphor.
          1. Alexey from Perm
            Alexey from Perm 10 September 2020 12: 33 New
            14
            Everything has become so commonplace and obvious that it’s boring. The conclusion is clear to everyone who does not wear rose-colored glasses hung by state propaganda. Russia has a resource-based economy, competencies have been lost, there are no qualified engineers and workers. There is an uncle Vova and his friends who sell raw materials abroad. Money does not go all out to diversify the economy, and time is running out ... resources are being depleted. And we are told that the economy and the country are getting up from their knees ... Rusnano, Skolkovo, Rostec ... are useless and impotent, budgets are being cut, the result is zero. We build ships for 10 years, we cannot produce the latest developments in series, only prototypes, with a large percentage of imported parts. Su 57 is not produced, Armata will probably go to parades for another 10 years ... 170 cars will be made all over Russia and that's it ..

            So closer to the topic? And don't forget to minus, you're a hurray-patriot, you don't like reading my post ..
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 10 September 2020 12: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        I put a minus. At least somehow closer to the topic, without general words.

        Much closer! Putin probably forgot how he communicated with the families of the crew? Or did you like it?
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 10 September 2020 12: 09 New
      -3
      And you are probably the same enterprising engineer who organized a startup for the production of deep-sea vehicles GVK-300, made a working prototype and attracted investments from foreign partners, but Putin personally hacked your project?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 10 September 2020 12: 30 New
        -3
        Quote: Rubi0
        And you are probably the same enterprising engineer who organized a startup for the production of deep-sea vehicles GVK-300, made a working prototype and attracted investments from foreign partners, but Putin personally hacked your project?

        No, it's not me . I'm more in construction now. But if there is an article on a certain topic, then the comments from the same contingent with the eternal weaving of a bad regime and without other semantic content are pissed off ...
      2. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 10 September 2020 12: 36 New
        11
        what investments do you need all the time? Colossal money is exported from Russia to offshores, the number of dollar billionaires is growing .. and Dimon says that there is no money and we need to hold on)))
        With humor they are all right, yes.
    3. Volder
      Volder 11 September 2020 21: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      about getting up from its knees and the economy of Russia which is so coolly run by "effective managers" under the leadership of Putin
      The Russian economy is really effective under the sanctions. When compared with the nineties, then yes, Russia is getting up from its knees. Let me remind you that until 1993 there was no Russian Federation.
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 13 September 2020 22: 03 New
        0
        Compare with 1913, the contrast will be even better ..
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 10 September 2020 11: 43 New
    +5
    This is a crime against submariners !! am
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 September 2020 11: 55 New
    +6
    It was smooth on paper .....
  7. Incompetent
    Incompetent 10 September 2020 12: 44 New
    -2
    In my humble opinion, such a fleet is a luxury for the rich countries of the first world!
  8. Dikson
    Dikson 10 September 2020 14: 52 New
    +1
    Import substitution in action ... in the oil Emirates, tourists are driven in submarines ... - in oil Russia there is nothing to save the sailors ... I understand that a completely different class of equipment ... Well, they would have changed at least the Chinese for wood and gas chtoli ... We do not take care of either people or technology .. It's better to draw Mega-super-unparalleled destroyers in the world and glue them out of foam ...
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 11 September 2020 08: 34 New
      -1
      And the Chinese have the same situation. Only France, Sweden, Finland and the United States could build such equipment, even the USSR did not pull.
      1. water
        water 11 September 2020 10: 39 New
        0
        Quote: K-612-O
        And the Chinese have the same situation. Only France, Sweden, Finland and the United States could build such equipment, even the USSR did not pull.
        You know, the Chinese have a much better situation with search and rescue support for submarine operations than ours. They build Submarine Rescue vessels on the basis of two Submarine Rescuers per Submarine Combine. Deep-sea diving complexes were previously ordered in Singapore, now they are building themselves. Rescue deep-sea vehicles "LR-7" are ordered in England.
        Once a similar technique was built in the USSR. These are deep-water diving complexes of saturated diving for rescue submarines of project 940, for surface vessels of project 537. Soviet divers mastered a depth of 500 meters in the last century.
  9. Mimino
    Mimino 11 September 2020 08: 36 New
    0
    Are they waiting, God forbid, another "Kursk"?
  10. Alexy
    Alexy 11 September 2020 11: 29 New
    0
    Well what can I say here. Let them learn to make deep-sea vehicles themselves.
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 September 2020 14: 24 New
    0
    Trouble, trouble. But you have to do something.
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 12 September 2020 01: 36 New
    0
    Quote: sailor Roman
    The development of search and rescue systems for crews of emergency submarines on the ground and rescue ships in the Navy of the USSR and modern Russia is in leaps and bounds, from one accident to another or a disaster of submarines. If a serious accident of a submarine happens with the death of the crew, and the forces and means will immediately appear for the development of the project and the construction of the next rescuer. There would be no disaster with the submarine "Kursk", there would be no rescue ship "Igor Belousov".

    When did Kursk die in 2000, and when did Igor Belousov appear? It was only launched into the water in 2012, but when did you enter the combat strength? During this period, all the remnants of the submarine fleet of the Soviet Union could conditionally drown - who would have saved them ?! sad