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China considers the "destroyer of tanks" created in the Russian Federation to be the favorite of the forum "Army-2020"

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China considers the "destroyer of tanks" created in the Russian Federation to be the favorite of the forum "Army-2020"

At the Army-2020 forum, Russia presented the latest weapons. This year, during the exhibition, contracts were signed for a record amount.


The official Internet publication of the People's Liberation Army of China "Zhongguo Junwang" writes about this.

The PRC especially noted the new Russian air and anti-missile defense systems, unmanned aerial vehicles manufactured in the Russian Federation.

And the anti-tank missile system "Hermes" demonstrated at the exhibition was nicknamed "the destroyer tanks". Its effectiveness was noted in both China and the United States. In the PRC, it is believed that against its background the famous American FGM-148 Javelin ATGMs seem outdated.

The Hermes complex was created by the Tula Arms Design Bureau. It is capable of destroying armored vehicles, defensive fortifications and low-altitude air targets flying at low speed with the help of anti-tank missiles from a long distance. The manufacturer claims that the new weapon capable of destroying any tank currently in service with countries.

In China, the Russian Hermes was named the favorite of the Army International Forum this year.

The Army 2020 international military-technical forum ended on August 29. It was attended by about one and a half thousand companies from more than seventy countries of the world, which presented about 70 thousand samples of weapons, military equipment and equipment. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, 41 contracts were signed at the exhibition for a total of 1,16 trillion rubles, which became another record.
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  1. lucul
    lucul 10 September 2020 14: 32 New
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    China considers the "destroyer of tanks" created in the Russian Federation to be the favorite of the forum "Army-2020"

    Good killer Javelin, in its niche market)))
    Javelin? Who needs him now when there is Hermes? )))
    1. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 10 September 2020 14: 35 New
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      The range of up to 100 km and the speed of 1300 is quite impressive, not only for the Chinese. soldier
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 September 2020 14: 36 New
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        The range of up to 100 km and the speed of 1300 is quite impressive, not only for the Chinese.

        Yeah, but if you still put it on each of our BMP ...)))
      2. Errr
        Errr 10 September 2020 15: 43 New
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        Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
        Range up to 100 km ...
        This is at ≈90 kg of weight? smile At a speed of 1300 m / s, 100 km will not fly by at all, the maximum is perhaps 30. And even then, at the terminal section, with the engine off (its work is enough to overcome ≈25 km) with a residual speed of ≈850 m / s.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 September 2020 16: 22 New
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          This is a type of MLRS, not a rocket with a constantly running engine.
          Range of 100 km - due to ballistic trajectory.
          How does it get into the tank? recourse - ...
          1. Errr
            Errr 10 September 2020 17: 29 New
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            Miles, so to speak, sorry. lol
            I'm here, in fact, about the rocket itself without a starting accelerator, with which it can fly 200 km or more (depending on the accelerator). But with such extras - it is only carried on solid wheeled, winged or waterfowl "platforms" with a very good carrying capacity. And if you fasten it, say, to the UR-500, then enemy tankettes can even be shot on the moon. laughing In the latter case, it will be a "super-duper MLRS". smile
            Well, for hitting the "squirrel in the eye" even for 100 km, even on the Moon without homing at the terminal site, it will not work, even if you crack. lol The point here is simply that this "squirrel", an infection, also runs, and even unexpectedly and unpredictably jumps do not understand where. laughing
          2. venik
            venik 10 September 2020 18: 42 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            How does it get into the tank? recourse - ...

            ======
            In the final section - a semi-active laser seeker. Illumination from the ground or from the UAV.
          3. Bogatyrev
            Bogatyrev 12 September 2020 15: 09 New
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            Obviously two-stage, two active sites
        2. venik
          venik 10 September 2020 18: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Herrr
          This is at ≈90 kg of weight? smile At a speed of 1300 m / s, 100 km will never fly by, a maximum of only 30 will master it. And even then, at the terminal section, already with the engine off (its work is enough to overcome ≈25 km) with a residual speed of ≈850 m / s.

          =========
          Here are the ballistic characteristics:
          1. Errr
            Errr 10 September 2020 19: 57 New
            +1
            Apparently these are the characteristics of the heaviest version (about 130 kg) of the Hermes rocket with the most powerful (weighing about 50 kg) launch booster, created (presumably) on the basis of that of the MERA meteorological rocket for use from land-based installations (Hermes-S ) and ship ("Hermes-K") complexes.
            1. venik
              venik 11 September 2020 19: 22 New
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              Quote: Herrr
              Apparently these are the characteristics of the most difficult option.

              ========
              These are the characteristics of the GROUND complex "Hermes" !!!
              Air version - has a "lightweight" booster!
    2. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 10 September 2020 14: 47 New
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      How do you compare Hermes and Javelin? The first is a long-range complex mounted on a carrier, while the second is a wearable one. You also compare the 7,62-mm American M1 "Garand" rifle with the 152-mm Soviet M-30 howitzer. Here we will definitely do the damned Yankees.
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 September 2020 14: 59 New
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        The first is a long-range complex mounted on a carrier, while the second is a wearable one.

        Do our soldiers walk on foot? Problem to put Hermes? )))
      2. figwam
        figwam 10 September 2020 15: 11 New
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        Quote: Ingenegr
        How do you compare Hermes and Javelin?

        One and the other are designed for the same purpose - the destruction of the tank.
      3. Simfy
        Simfy 10 September 2020 16: 09 New
        +2
        According to the photo, there are different modifications on the network: land, sea, air and, accordingly, with different ranges from 20 km to 100, there are additional starting engines ...
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 September 2020 14: 48 New
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      Quote: lucul
      Javelin? Who needs him now when there is Hermes?

      Gospidya! Again they start to confuse "a fork with a bottle"! Yes, turn on the mind ... (!) Even if there was a javelin in the Russian army, then Hermes would not have replaced it (!), But only supplemented it! Now there is talk about the development of a Russian analogue of the "Javelin" ... will develop ... will be adopted ... and this analogue will "coexist" with "Hermes"!
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 September 2020 14: 58 New
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        Gospidya! Again they start to confuse "a fork with a bottle"! Yes, turn on the mind ... (!) Even if there was a javelin in the Russian army, then Hermes would not have replaced it (!), But only supplemented it!

        What do you mean added? Where does the infantry move? ))) Problem to put Hermes? But it is safe for a soldier (range up to 100 km), unlike Javelin, where the soldier is always under threat ...
        Soon Iran will also start asking for Hermes.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 10 September 2020 17: 21 New
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          Quote: lucul
          What do you mean added? Where does the infantry move? ))) Problem to put Hermes? But it is safe for a soldier (range up to 100 km), unlike Javelin, where the soldier is always under threat ...

          Firstly: Do we have infantry walking 82 km away from the BTR-100? well, at least 20?
          secondly: you understand, the advantage of the javelin / spike class ATGM is not in the "homing seeker", and not in the "fire-forget", but in the ability to shoot from behind obstacles (obstacles for direct fire). A simple example, there is a village \ PGT, there is a crossroads in it, there is an enemy tank, you cannot come up because the approach zone is a shooting zone for the tank and enemy infantry, you cannot hit the tank because it is covered, you cannot highlight it because it is covered, you cannot hit it with Hermes too you cannot because the trajectory. This is where javelins / spikes come to the rescue where an infantryman (DRG) can go around the village to launch a rocket and shoot at the right angle so that the rocket passes by buildings and other obstacles.
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 September 2020 17: 26 New
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            A simple example, there is a village \ PGT, there is a crossroads in it, there is an enemy tank, you cannot come up because the approach zone is a shooting zone for the tank and enemy infantry, you cannot hit the tank because it is covered, you cannot highlight it because it is covered, you cannot hit it with Hermes too you cannot because the trajectory. This is where javelins / spikes come in.

            About ACS MSTA or about mortars did not hear, did not? )))
          2. venik
            venik 10 September 2020 18: 56 New
            +7
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            You understand, the advantage of the Javelin / Spike class ATGM is not in the "homing seeker", and not in the "shoot-forget", but in the ability to shoot from behind obstacles (obstacles for direct fire).

            ========
            Yah? Straight and "not seeing the goal"? belay
            Aha! There is absolutely the same principle as in MANPADS (with IR seeker): first, the seeker locks onto the target, then the launch and you can "take your feet": the rocket itself will go to the SELECTED ("captured") target!
            Well, if you let her "no one knows where", then she will fly "into the white world, like a pretty penny"! Moreover, there are more than enough warm-contrast “targets” on the battlefield !!!
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 10 September 2020 15: 12 New
      +7
      A javelin is a javelin ..... Hermes has nothing to do with it.
  2. mvg
    mvg 10 September 2020 15: 12 New
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    Israel has similar weapons. Tamuz-5. I don't quite understand how to shoot at a tank 100 km away, where to get the control center, how to correct the flight? UAVs and radio commands will not pass. GOS in the final section is also doubtful. Again, there is no analogue, again a wunderval. And there will be KAZs that shoot down supersonic and that's it? Although the average speed is subsonic. Little information is reliable. More realistic figures look like 20-25 km, on the march 300 m / s, on the final semi-active seeker and 1000 m / s.
    PS: Well, the news, as usual, "fire and forget," really. Shoot 12 missiles in one volley, $ 200 thousand each and wait. And also a comparison with Javelin.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 September 2020 16: 26 New
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      Spike's Tamuz has nothing to do with it.
      Tamuz is a subsonic ATGM controlled by an optical cable. The engine works for the entire 25 km flight.
      Hermes is a MLRS. The engine works only at the beginning of the ballistic trajectory.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 September 2020 16: 36 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Hermes is a MLRS.

        Where did you read it?
        1. venik
          venik 10 September 2020 19: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: Albert1988
          Where did you read it?

          =======
          On the developer's website: "Tula Instrument Design Bureau":
          http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/hermes

          in the same place:
          Benefits and features:
          - salvo and single shooting at group and single targets from prepared and unprepared positions, including closed ones;
          - stable functioning in the conditions of group use of combat vehicles during their salvo firing;
          ---------
          Strictly speaking - "Hermes" - it turns out a certain hybrid MLRS and ATGM!
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 10 September 2020 19: 44 New
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            Quote: venik
            Strictly speaking - "Hermes" - it turns out a kind of hybrid MLRS and ATGM!

            And then what about its aviation version? Sosvtenno Hermes as a replacement for aviation ATGM and was developed!
            So Hermes is not a MLRS, in any case it is an ATGM, which has many configurations and is simultaneously capable of tracking several targets, respectively firing several shots ... And the "salvo" there is a maximum of 3 missiles))))
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 September 2020 16: 43 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        The engine works only at the beginning of the ballistic trajectory.

        Read:
        https://missilery.info/missile/hermes
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гермес_(ракетный_комплекс)
        And do not disgrace yourself, dear Voyaka! The rocket has an additional degree there, the characteristics of which depend on the required flight range, when this stage is used up, it is dropped and the rocket flies already due to its main engine and actively maneuvers ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 September 2020 16: 55 New
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          "... is a unified solution for high-precision rocket artillery for all branches of the armed forces." ////
          ----
          rocket artillery is MLRS.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 10 September 2020 16: 58 New
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            Where is the quote from?
            I can also quote:
            "Hermes is a promising Russian guided missile weapon system developed at the Instrument Design Bureau in Tula"
            How does it feel?
            You can even call it an armored desman! The main thing is what it is used for))) Hermes can also hang on aviation - does he play the role of MLRS there too?
            What I mean is - how do you call it - even a dynamo-jet cannon, it doesn't matter - the main thing is that this system uses long-range high-precision missiles that attack the target in the upper hemisphere. That is, it is the closest analogue of the Israeli spike, but even more flexible.
          2. hrych
            hrych 10 September 2020 21: 32 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            rocket artillery is MLRS

            This is not an MLRS, but including an MLRS. In rocket artillery, rockets, including guided missiles, that's the whole difference. Volley fire is not a prerequisite. Hermes with 6 barrels is not for direct salvo, but for hitting several pieces of equipment as needed, etc.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 10 September 2020 17: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Albert1988
          And do not disgrace yourself, dear Voyaka!

          It's not the first time for him to pass off his fantasies as reality ...
      3. mvg
        mvg 10 September 2020 17: 00 New
        +2
        Hermes is a MLRS

        However, it is strongly said. This is an ATGM. Created to replace Attack and Whirlwind. Hermes-A 13 km, Then the range was increased to 20 km, the control system was radio command and inertial. Then, as I understand it, they added a step of 170-220 mm, got 100 km. Most of the trajectory is 300 m / s. Further acceleration to supersonic. And an active laser-guided seeker. The same Spike, only in profile.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 September 2020 17: 08 New
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          "active seeker with laser guidance
          The same Spike ... "///
          ---
          Spike has no laser guidance. smile
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 10 September 2020 17: 11 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Spike has no laser guidance.

            "with three types of homing heads (semi-active laser, infrared, radar);"
            https://missilery.info/missile/hermes
            hi
          2. mvg
            mvg 10 September 2020 17: 12 New
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            Spike has no laser guidance

            GOS can be set to any, even telemetry, even laser, or cable control. Price question. I read that Spikes are from 40 to 100 thousand $. Driving 25 km by cable is somehow inconvenient. All the time an answer can arrive, plus a long time. If the target moves even worse.
        2. venik
          venik 10 September 2020 19: 21 New
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          Quote: mvg
          active seeker with laser guidance

          =========
          "Active seeker with laser guidance" ??? belay What's this? Itself shines with a laser at the target and itself is directed to the reflected laser beam ??? belay what
          Wonderful are your works, Lord! About radio-contrast targets - I heard ... About photo-contrast and IR-contrast - too! But to "laser contrast"and even" against the background of the earth ..... ??? !!! This is something new:

          "... "Parhaty Bolshevik Cossacks" is something new! ... "
          1. mvg
            mvg 10 September 2020 19: 37 New
            +3
            "Active seeker with laser guidance" ???

            Semi-active. I wrote that it is necessary to shine with something, at the same time even an UAV, even a helicopter, even a MTR fighter himself becomes a target. It is written that a moving Mi-28N tank with an overhead radar catches at 20-25 km. Also doubts, but maybe in the desert.
            1. venik
              venik 11 September 2020 19: 14 New
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              Quote: mvg
              I wrote that it is necessary to shine with something, at the same time even a UAV, even a helicopter, even a MTR fighter himself becomes a target. It is written that a moving Mi-28N tank with an overhead radar catches at 20-25 km

              ===========
              Maxim! Believe me, I DID NOT WANT to offend you !!! I apologize!
              Honestly - I expected a response in the style:
              - (In the voice of Yefim Kopelyan):
              "..... Shttirlitz did not know that the Red Army included "Cavalry goat divisions "..... "

              Sorry again, Maxim! I wanted to joke .... But it turned out: "As always" !!!
            2. venik
              venik 11 September 2020 19: 53 New
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              [quote = mvg] Semi-active. I wrote, I need to shine with something [/ quote]
              ----------------------
              [quote = mvg] [quote] "Active laser-guided seeker" ??? [/ quote]
              =====================
              Sorry, Maxim! But you yourself wrote - "ACTIVE"! request
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 10 September 2020 19: 45 New
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            Quote: venik
            "Active seeker with laser guidance" ??? What's this? Itself shines a laser at the target and

            This is an affty pad - head, clear stump, "semi-active with laser guidance"
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 September 2020 18: 14 New
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      Quote: mvg
      I don't quite understand how to shoot at a tank 100 km away, where to get the control center, how to correct the flight?

      This range is most likely the naval version of the missile.
      Quote: mvg
      GOS in the final section is also doubtful.

      From what? It’s just very normal - for most of the route, the rocket is controlled inertially or by radio, and at the final section the seeker is switched on - nothing unusual ...
      Quote: mvg
      Again, there is no analogue, again a wunderval.

      Where did you get it from? Similar systems are not uncommon. Ours simply unified it for different carriers by adding an additional upper stage.
      Quote: mvg
      And there will be KAZs that shoot down supersonic and that's it?

      Let's go to "hypersound" laughing When such KAZs appear, there will be no laughing matter for all missiles))) Look - the same "Afghanite" is already intercepting BOPSs.
      Quote: mvg
      Although the average speed is subsonic.

      Well, on the additional upper stage it is subsonic, and when the rocket enters the active section of the trajectory and activates its main engine - acceleration to supersonic, again nothing surprising.
      Quote: mvg
      More real figures look like 20-25 km

      This is for the aviation version, which does not have additional upper stages due to weight limitation. At the land one they put an additional block of 170 mm in caliber - you can fly for 40 km, and at the sea - there is an additional 210 mm block - here you are, 100 km.
      1. mvg
        mvg 10 September 2020 18: 59 New
        +1
        and in the sea - there is also an additional 210 mm block - here you have 100 km

        I read it, I agree. But approaching a ship, class corvette, frigate at 100 km is not safe, and the Phalanxes, Goalkeepers will shoot her down, if only a volley.
        100 km at 890 km / h, the target will go away. GOS will not catch her later. Although they write about EPR 0,01 M2.
        About semi-active laser, you need to illuminate the target. Tank, when irradiated with aerosols, spits and blinds.
        I don’t believe about Afghanit and BOPS. How to stop a meter scrap at a speed of 1700 m / s.
        PS: And I agree that there were such complexes before Hermes, including bicalyber ones.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 10 September 2020 19: 46 New
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          Quote: mvg
          I read it, I agree. But it is not safe to approach a corvette-class ship, a frigate 100 km away

          This is unlikely to work on ships, rather, the target will be boats like the Ukrainian boats that stormed the Kerch Strait, or those antediluvian patrol boats that the Americans sold them. And such missiles will also be placed on patrol boats and boats.
          Quote: mvg
          I don’t believe about Afghanit and BOPS. How to stop a meter scrap at a speed of 1700 m / s.

          1700 is the initial speed, then it decreases, although not much. And how to stop? So physics, science like that, works very well with such things. You can stop it, for example, by hitting it on a head-on course, or on a solid metal ball close to the oncoming one, also flying very quickly, from which the crowbar will simply go to the side or start "wobbling" from which its effect on the armor will be minimal ...
          The main thing here is to get into it! All kinds of windbreakers, arenas and blackbirds - they work mainly on fragile missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, and on them only sneezes and that's it))))
          1. mvg
            mvg 10 September 2020 20: 41 New
            +1
            And how to stop? So physics, science like that, works very well with such things.

            Well, let's say how the armor (mounted) on Leo2A6 is made, it does not meet a crowbar, but breaks. And knocking down 25 kg of scrap, at 1700-1800 meters, with a ball of several grams, is unrealistic. Namely, such shrapnel in KAZ. Well, he will enter a couple of degrees wrong, so what? And DZ will NOT have time to reject it. This is not a plastic missile, ATGM ..
            And on boats ... well, if such as Grachonok or our RTOs such as Buyan, Buyan-M, which are without air defense, then that's it. But better is something from Exocet or the Norwegian version of Harpoon.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 10 September 2020 23: 23 New
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              Quote: mvg
              Well, let's say how the armor (mounted) on Leo2A6 is made, it does not meet a crowbar, but breaks.

              Breaking modern crowbars is a good thing, but it will be much easier if this crowbar at least flies into such armor at the wrong angle)))
              Quote: mvg
              And knocking down 25 kg of scrap, at 1700-1800 meters, with a ball of several grams, is unrealistic. Namely, such shrapnel in KAZ.

              And who told you that it would be shrapnel there, and not, say, a shock core weighing hundreds of grams, at least, or maybe half a kilo?
              Quote: mvg
              Well, he will enter a couple of degrees wrong, and what

              And if it flies into it at a distance of 70 meters and then it flies with a deviation of not a couple of degrees?
              Quote: mvg
              And on boats ... well, if such as Grachonok or our RTOs such as Buyan, Buyan-M, which are without air defense, then that's it.

              Rather, on the Ukrainian troughs, which are generally without air defense and for which something like an exoset with a harpoon will be painfully expensive to spend)
        2. lucul
          lucul 10 September 2020 21: 27 New
          +1
          I don’t believe about Afghanit and BOPS. How to stop a meter scrap at a speed of 1700 m / s.

          See what the projectile deviated from (not BOPS, but still)
          From about 13.40

          )))
          1. mvg
            mvg 10 September 2020 22: 32 New
            +1
            not BOPS, but still

            We arrived in one tank, they shoot from another. There is an armor-piercing pointed projectile. It will ricochet. Or did you mean from watermelon?
    3. venik
      venik 10 September 2020 19: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      Little information is reliable. More realistic figures look like 20-25 km, on the march 300 m / s, on the final semi-active seeker and 1000 m / s.

      ==========
      Teach materiel!
      1.https://missilery.info/missile/hermes;
      2.http: //www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy;
      http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/germes-a;
      http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/mezhvidovye-raketnye-kompleksy/hermes
      Everything is clear enough there!
      1. mvg
        mvg 10 September 2020 22: 46 New
        +1
        Teach materiel!

        Vladimir, I just try not to write. I used to climb, read. It generally says about 1300 m / s. You understand that in those dimensions, the rocket will not fly 100 km at 1,3M. No way. The second source gave more real tsiferki. Average speed 300 m / s. In the final section it accelerates. Like a Mosquito.
        And the gingerbread handouts are for the spies.
        Think, 100 km, 1000 km / h, fly 6 minutes. The speed of the tank on the crossroad is 40-45 km / h, almost 800 m per minute. Those. will move 5 km from the aiming point. It will fly inertially with an error + more errors of its own, in 4 km it will turn on the seeker, and how should the head of the rocket turn to catch the target?
        Hermes -A 13 km, compared to Attack gain, plus the helicopter is not included in the MANPADS zone, this is real. 25 km is also real. And rockets with a diameter of 100 mm and a length of 300 m fly 2,5 km. Not this pencil.
        1. venik
          venik 11 September 2020 18: 44 New
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          Quote: mvg
          I used to climb, read. It generally says about 1300 m / s. You understand that in those dimensions, the rocket will not fly 100 km at 1,3M.

          ======
          Well, it seems like the "average speed" on the trajectory - approx. 500 m / s! Those. much less the speed of sound!
          Me, Maxim, was more interested in something else: warheads - not cumulative, and "high-explosive fragmentation"!!! belay And at the same time, it is claimed that it is capable of hitting ALL types of modern tanks (? !!). This is what POWER such a warhead should have ???
          Well, I heard about the CL-20 explosive, which was developed in the USA, and then synthesized in India ... There really is an explosion power - 20 times (!) More than that of TNT ..... But it worth it - oh-oh-oh! (according to some sources - $ 20 per kilogram ...... And even "capricious" - until "I can't"!
          -------
          Well, everything else (up to 100 km in the overland version) is just doubts и does not cause!
          PS See "schedule" !!!
    4. hrych
      hrych 10 September 2020 21: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      I don't quite understand how to shoot at a tank 100 km away, where to get the control center, how to correct the flight? UAVs and radio commands will not pass. GOS in the final section is also doubtful. Again, there is no analogue, again a wunderval.

      If you don’t understand, then sarcasm about the prodigy is inappropriate. First, the GOS is required. There are a lot of reconnaissance tools and without a UAV, from some kind of devil you ... rejected dunno wassat By the way, no one canceled a simple spotter. In addition to aeronautical reconnaissance, there is radar, satellite, etc. A prisoner, tortured or recruited Tsakhalov will tell the place and time wassat It is clear that the delivery of ammunition to the place of capture of the target of the seeker, namely with inertial or radio command guidance, before the target is captured by the seeker. Even in the selection of targets for the GOS nowadays there is nothing surprising. What's so surprising to you?
      1. mvg
        mvg 11 September 2020 09: 07 New
        +1
        In addition to aeronautical reconnaissance, there is radar, satellite, etc. A prisoner, tortured or recruited Tsakhalov will tell the place and time

        Hrych, again? winked We are considering the possibility of destroying a moving tank at 50-100 km, as in the advertising brochure.
        What are the prisoners of Tsakhalovs in real time? winked Well, we noticed a convoy of BTT from a UAV or a helicopter, accidentally KAMAZ turned out to be with Hermes nearby. Who will highlight the target? And this will be with the superiority of enemy aircraft in the Air. Or is there an objection to this? In which theater of operations do we have aviation superiority? Realistically, only in the West, and that minimum time until NATO transfers the Air Force to Poland and Romania.
        In reality, I see Hermes only when used from helicopters, in the version that in Syria, if the enemy has short-range air defense. This is how it was designed. All other developments are the initiative of samovars. Let's look at export, this is the best estimate will be objective. I'm sure we won't make it to the Spikes. We will sell only for BV and ourselves.
        PS: All other tasks will be successfully completed by Tornado. And cheaper. The Hermes rocket is expensive.
        1. hrych
          hrych 11 September 2020 09: 34 New
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          You can forget about superiority, your imperialist airfields will be destroyed by Iskanders, Daggers, Zircons and Calibers, certainly by nuclear warheads. And not a single parasite will have time to take off. Russia is a nuclear power, you should remember this. Don't even touch Russia, don't even open your mouth in its direction, no one has such an echeloned early warning system and air defense system. As well as the groundwork for anti-aircraft, anti-missile and anti-satellite systems. We have satellites not like Israel, we have the ability to track the battlefield. One hundred kilometers is an installation in the rear, and enemy tanks are deployed on the march or have already entered the battle, i.e. are on the front line or are not needed at all. If they are stationary, in places of deployment, then the more intelligence knows the coordinates. The task of the booster mechanisms of the missile is to deliver it to the capture radius of the seeker, where the target is captured, selected and struck. What is not clear? The algorithm is close to SAM. In particular, how the S-400 over-the-horizon missile works, it rises, looks beyond the horizon, captures a target and strives for it for intercourse. Naturally, initially, the coordinates of the target, direction and azimuth are given by external guidance sources: Avaks, ZGRLS, satellites, a spy with a cell phone at the airfield, etc. If the missile defense system copes with the aircraft, where will the heavy and clumsy Merkava go? Will it drive 50 meters away? Why highlight a target? This is the last century. Hermes flew up, saw the exhaust stream of the Merkava and blew it to pieces. If RGSN, then he saw the reflected signal from the metal turtle and spread it. If this is TV guidance, then the operator put a cross on the Merkava and cranks it. There are a lot of algorithms, but you are not able to complete it. Ours simply based on the algorithms of missiles and anti-ship missiles made a kid against enemy tanks and helicopters. Low-flying, non-velocity targets as stated.
          1. mvg
            mvg 11 September 2020 12: 49 New
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            we have the ability to track the battlefield

            ha ha ha, three times
            how the S-400 over-the-horizon missile works

            Only against Avaxoa and Poseidons. I really don't know how 400 km. Avaks E-3D sees at 600. While the S-300PMU2 did not shoot down anyone, for hell knows how long. And they will shoot down, they will be destroyed by the Kharms. It's in Syria.
            Algorithm of work, deliver 48N6 to the Avax patrol zone. Hoping that it will not be shot down by anti-missiles and will not be deflected by electronic warfare. The chances are minimal, this is not a civilian Boeing.
            Avaks, ZGRLS, satellites, a spy with a cell phone at the airfield, etc.

            What are the A-50/100 ??? Do we have them? Haha. ZGRLS does not aim at the target, in any way. Approximate coordinates. What will the spy take a picture of how the strategist takes off, then rises like Batman and flies to accompany? ha ha.
            Why highlight a target?

            Yes, because such a GOS is declared for Hermes. Because the Caliber was used in Syria .. If this is the "last century", then we live there. Shot, forgot, not about you. And this is reality.
            1. hrych
              hrych 11 September 2020 13: 42 New
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              Don't laugh, the last one laughs, especially since the spike works according to similar algorithms, only with a short range.
              Quote: mvg
              Shot, forgot, not about you. And this is reality.

              When we shoot, then we will forget about you. And Hezbollah will test Hermes on your Merkabah very soon. Vampires have already successfully checked. And so you are a typical self-important debater from a small and doomed country. Calibers were not used like that in Syria. How are you with your head? The calibers were guided by the GLONASS coordinates and, accordingly, hit stationary objects. Calibers working on moving targets also fly inertial, checking with GLONASS and capture, for example, a seeker ship (in the anti-ship missile modification). Who told you so clever that someone was illuminating the ship? They held a demonstration of Calibers, the NATO specialists were upset. And hi. How can people like you say anything about the GOS of Russia, when we have an overwhelming advantage in anti-ship missile systems, recognized by the enemy. Remember Granite's algorithms. Remember the sunken Israeli ships by our anti-ship missiles. Raise the tail on the S-300/400? Will the Kharms destroy them? What are you talking about, dear man? Your Haifa is erased to zero. Don't you get it? Therefore, do little mischief to our people in Syria, but never openly hit our base. Here it is, go and take it, attack with your own means. Therefore, you will not be appointed prime minister of Israel. In short, I read the news about Hermes and his capabilities, well done. I read that the Chinese are delighted, well done. I wrote that you don't understand how it works, well done. Shit on Russia and her weapons, sprinkled with saliva, not great. Let's goodbye. Don't write to me, there's nothing to talk to you about.
              1. mvg
                mvg 11 September 2020 18: 46 New
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                overwhelming advantage in anti-ship missile systems recognized by the enemy

                Did your opponents tell you this? We ALWAYS lagged behind in missiles, and even more so in GOS. What's in the Kyrgyz Republic, what's in the ICBM.
                Remember the sunken Israeli ships by our anti-ship missiles

                Sunk Israeli Evlat, former English building built in 1946? Cool! After that, the rocket boats pr 180, 205 fired more than 40 P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles, and never hit. And the Israeli Rafal sank 12+ boats. We didn't even hit the oil storage! Haha.
                I read that the Chinese are delighted

                They are not Chinese. They are not Ichiots.
                PS: Don't write, bastard, what you don't know. Don't make people laugh. By the way Granite, Termite is a specialty.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 12 September 2020 12: 02 New
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                  Your post resembles the vycher of the doomed. wassat Iranian centrifuges spinning and counting your armagedet watch wassat Okay, not the point. How do you like our outdated Cornet? With the backward Russian GOS? How much fried meat was in the Merkavas? Why did the Israelis miserably lose the Second Lebanese? Cornet upset you wassat The Russian backward and non-advanced GOS has upset you. Half hundreds of such beautiful and advanced tanks are negative. In short, the war will judge us. The main thing is that you have it, not us. wassat
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 12 September 2020 19: 21 New
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                    Iranian centrifuges spinning and counting your armagedet watch

                    You are an unhealthy person.
                    Cornets were in 2006, without KAZ. Remember two Chechen and thousands of BTT units. The second army in the world and the war on its territory. The storming of one city, and the subsequent hand of one small but proud people, the entire "great and mighty" country. How much money is allocated to Chechnya per year?
                    PS: Look at the log in your eye. Jews have not lost a single war. RF loses to itself. All Arab, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Afghan .. Forgotten, but where is the Department of Internal Affairs now? Sank, in another defeat? In the Cold War? Having 1/6 sushi?
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 12 September 2020 21: 15 New
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                      Quote: mvg
                      You are an unhealthy person

                      Do we turn to personalities? Is this the mentality? wassat
                      Quote: mvg
                      How much money is allocated to Chechnya per year?

                      Want to discuss being? For God's sake. First, in the fire of the Chechen war, New Russia was born, the appearance of the "Savior", etc. Ultimately, Russia got rid of external control, practically occupation. The loss of control over Russia for the West with a little evil mongrel on the arms is a sobering hangover after the victorious dances in the Cold War and the fall of the USSR. At the exit, the Russian Federation remained the largest state in the world, retained the Heartland (if in the subject of the Anglo-Saxon strategy, your masters) and remained the most powerful superpower, given the nuclear arsenal and delivery vehicles. In contrast to the USSR, the Slavic population of the Russian Federation is approaching 90%, of course with the annexation of the citizens of Crimea, Donbass, etc. The bowels of Chechnya remained with Russia, they are full of oil, there is electricity generation (60% of the republic's industry), there is decent growth in agriculture (10% of the economy), especially in animal husbandry (70% of the sector), etc. I would read a whole lecture that investments in the Chechen Republic are not in vain, but you cannot prove anything. And if out of 1300 wells, oil is pumped out of 200, this wealth has not gone anywhere, but is preserved for future generations. The population of the lands is not static, as history shows, tribes migrate, assimilate and even cease to exist. Do not you know about it. After the current leader, given the stable growth of chauvinism in society (according to Israeli analysts) and the decrease in adherents of liberal ideas (> 2% of the population), a corresponding regime is expected in Russia. Chechnya is slightly smaller in area than Israel, the climate is favorable, the population is small, and there are rivers. But even now, after the defeat of Georgia, control has been established over the Greater Caucasus Range, the Roki Tunnel with a foothold - a boot on the Lesser Caucasus Range. Also, the annexation of the Abkhazian coast increased the water area in the Transcaucasus. The area of ​​Abkhazia and South Ossetia is more than half of the area of ​​Israel. The climate is favorable, the land is fertile, the Abkhazian coast is almost the same as that of Israel, more than 200 km. There are rivers and the possibility of generating energy. For Russia, the Caucasian ridge is like the Golan Heights for Israel, only taking into account the scale. The occupied Crimea is one third larger in area than Israel. And this is a real fertile place with a huge coastal shelf, rich in mineral resources, a good climate and fertile lands. Contrary to Israel, which is 70% - a rotten desert. Well, the Syrian shelf was captured by us, the NATO invasion squadron withdrew. Superfields of oil and gas under our control. Not the point. This is about victories and their meaning. Well, Donbass is a storehouse of subsoil and chernozem lands. Also valuable is the acquisition of 2 million Slavic (non-Arab) Crimean population and 4 million LDNR Slavs. Those. as Jews in Israel. Korea? Kim rules, and also a nuclear missile power, and their nuclear technology will help destroy your country. We don't know, but the Vietnamese kicked the Americans in the throes and now they honor Ho Chi Minh. Cuba? The socialist regime is in order there. Russia has not fought in these countries. The USSR only provided assistance, including the Arabs. Or did someone declare war? Were there military experts? Duc is not a war. Afghan? So we occupied it, then we left ourselves. Nobody inflicted a military defeat on us. If the US withdrew from Iraq on its own, did the Iraqis kick them out? Of course not, what nonsense. The Vietnamese, yes, they kicked out, inflicted a military defeat on the Americans with unacceptable losses, knocked out a bunch of planes, etc. This was not the case in Afghanistan. That's bullshit.
                      Israel lost both Lebanese wars, got hit and rolled back. Lebanon for you is an unhealing hemorrhoid, a real Sacred Land, so it rejects you. Because of Hezbollah, which is supported by Assad, it was necessary to leave the occupied Lebanese lands in the First War with losses and the shameful defeat in the second, which even did not succeed in occupying, and left fifty leaky tanks on the battlefield, thanks to the Cornets. When Israel first attacked the Arabs, it teamed up with the Anglo-French to seize the Suez Canal. The USSR and the USA threw you home. When Sadat submitted to the United States, the Israelis were kicked out of the occupied territories. Those. fought for the interests of the West to control the channel, shed blood and ... in vain. As a result of all the exhaust - the occupied Golan and that's it. This is victory? Yes, a victory for the United States, not even control, but only free passage of the Suez Canal. And for you? How many Israelis paid with their lives? Israel is a hundred times worse dotant for the United States than Chechnya is for us. More than 70% desert, crowded population in the Kush-Dan metropolitan area, aggressive policy. The coast is convenient for Poseidon attacks. The prognosis is poor.
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  3. Free wind
    Free wind 10 September 2020 15: 13 New
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    And abroad it is interesting to sell something. Previously, they always wrote about it, now there is something quiet. For a hundred kilometers, as you can see the tanks and control the missile. Warm guidance, and if the tank is muffled, the rocket will rush through the fields, the javelins can go on video cameras.
  4. ont65
    ont65 10 September 2020 15: 32 New
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    Not all information is provided here. The publication emphasizes that the tests of the complex will allegedly be carried out according to tradition in Syria, and this, in turn, will greatly limit the freedom of maneuver of the Turkish continent with heavy weapons. They suspect this is a cunning move on the part of Russia.
  5. Alexfly
    Alexfly 10 September 2020 15: 53 New
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    We love records, we love, but we don't make normal pistols .... How's that?
  6. Denimax
    Denimax 10 September 2020 17: 33 New
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    A very promising system. Dimensions, range, reaction time, warhead power can destroy most types of targets. Great for supporting reconnaissance groups, guidance from drones. Only not for the battlefield, it is advisable to keep it away in the rear.
  7. Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 10 September 2020 20: 38 New
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    Wow))) And outwardly it is not at all remarkable))) Of course - the main thing in the candy is not the wrapper!
  8. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 11 September 2020 11: 35 New
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    So is it a long-range ATGM or something in between MLRS and ATGM?
  9. boss
    boss 11 September 2020 12: 17 New
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    Uh, let me ask you, can this "javelin killer" be carried by one or two people?
    Does he also work on a let it go?
  10. Vlad7600
    Vlad7600 15 September 2020 11: 04 New
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    Quote: venik
    Quote: mvg
    I used to climb, read. It generally says about 1300 m / s. You understand that in those dimensions, the rocket will not fly 100 km at 1,3M.

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    Well, it seems like the "average speed" on the trajectory - approx. 500 m / s! Those. much less the speed of sound!
    Me, Maxim, was more interested in something else: warheads - not cumulative, and "high-explosive fragmentation"!!! belay And at the same time, it is claimed that it is capable of hitting ALL types of modern tanks (? !!). This is what POWER such a warhead should have ???
    Well, I heard about the CL-20 explosive, which was developed in the USA, and then synthesized in India ... There really is an explosion power - 20 times (!) More than that of TNT ..... But it worth it - oh-oh-oh! (according to some sources - $ 20 per kilogram ...... And even "capricious" - until "I can't"!
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    Well, everything else (up to 100 km in the overland version) is just doubts и does not cause!
    PS See "schedule" !!!

    The speed of sound in air is 330 m / s on average. 500 m / s this is exactly supersonic