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Destruction of American Aircraft by Soviet Pilots during the Korean War: Examples and Statistics

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One of the first clashes between Soviet and American pilots took place on the air fronts of the Korean War. As you know, the Soviet Union supported the socialist North, and the Americans stood up for the South that was building capitalism. The war of territories, armies and ideologies on the Korean Peninsula became one of the "hot" manifestations of the Cold War.


The first group of Soviet pilots in Korea was led by the famous Ivan Kozhedub, by that time three times Hero of the Soviet Union. Archival documents of that time indicate that Kozhedub used the pseudonym "Krylov" during his stay in Korea.

One of the white spots of the Korean War is the real balance of forces and means of the Soviet and American aviation, not to mention which side won in the end - “on points” - in terms of the number of enemy aircraft shot down. Adding complexity to the accounting of statistics and American propaganda, which almost immediately began to distort the real state of affairs on the Korean air front, attributing to itself "endless victories."

The Sky Artist channel provides some details of the air confrontation between the USSR and the United States during the Korean War, including statistics on the destruction of American aircraft.

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  1. passerby
    passerby 10 September 2020 11: 01 New
    -55
    What's the difference now who shot down how many. The Germans did not shoot down more than anyone else, but in the end the USSR was destroyed, and the children and grandchildren of those who shot down American planes in Korea humiliatedly asked to send more humanitarian aid from the United States, because there was nothing to eat.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 September 2020 11: 28 New
      47
      In my long life, I have never met a single person who would ask the United States to eat, all the more humiliatingly. Maybe you were on your knees at the American embassy in Moscow, begging for a handout, but I did not see anyone there in such a position, although I live two steps away on Smolenka.
      1. passerby
        passerby 10 September 2020 11: 52 New
        -42
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In my long life, I have never met a single person who would ask the United States to eat, all the more humiliatingly. Maybe you were on your knees at the American embassy in Moscow, begging for a handout, but I did not see anyone there in such a position, although I live two steps away on Smolenka.


        Well, yes, the Russians refused humanitarian aid, the official notes in the United States handed over, and they bastards forcibly sent us humanitarian aid and Yeltsin did not ask for more, but knocked his boot on the UN rostrum, demanded to stop sending humanitarian aid to Russia, and everyone sent and sent it and The USSR did not collapse, but continues to flourish and builds a bright communist future. Maybe you will return from your fantasies to the real world?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 10 September 2020 12: 21 New
          27
          Well, fantasies, rather, you have about humiliated requests. Maybe you can tell when, where and in what quantity this "humanitarian aid" was delivered and who received it, I, for example, not only did not see it, but also did not hear about it, let's not talk about "Bush's legs", this is a product and paid for it.
          And the bearded anecdote about Nikita is absolutely useless here, Borka in a drunken case by himself performed no worse than others. As for the real world, I never left it, life does not allow.
          1. passerby
            passerby 10 September 2020 16: 29 New
            -28
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Well, fantasies, rather, you have about humiliated requests. Maybe you can tell when, where and in what quantity this "humanitarian aid" was delivered and who received it, I, for example, not only did not see it, but also did not hear about it, let's not talk about "Bush's legs", this is a product and paid for it.
            And the bearded anecdote about Nikita is absolutely useless here, Borka in a drunken case by himself performed no worse than others. As for the real world, I never left it, life does not allow.

            Ok, Russia proudly, with its head held high, asked for humanitarian aid. That's better? As for "haven't seen", for example see https://aif.ru/society/gallery/gumanitarnaya_pomoshch_byvshemu_sssr_v_90-e_kak_eto_bylo
          2. Recon
            Recon 11 September 2020 00: 03 New
            +6
            Was (Omsk region, 90s). I was a teenager and I remember very well. Parents took it out of despair, because they earned little. Sunflower oil, lentils, rice, etc.
          3. Kapral Alphych
            Kapral Alphych Yesterday, 10: 12 New
            +1
            It was, it was the case. I remember that there were lentils in the ration, powdered milk and a pack of spaghetti (there was something else, but I don't remember))) They even brought bags of milk powder to school, I remember the Pindoosooo flag on the bags well. We will come running, the cook will put this milk in our mugs and we fumigate - it will stick to the palate, then to the teeth - you finish eating it for another half lesson)). But it did not last long - they gave it once or twice. All the chickens were fed lentils, for they did not know what kind of waterless henna was. Amur region
            1. Catfish
              Catfish Yesterday, 12: 09 New
              +1
              Hi Artem. hi So I'm for something else, Passer-by says that all of Russia was on its knees and begging for handouts. I didn’t stand, you, I suppose, too, everyone I know didn’t ask anyone for anything. And our colleague just needs to be more precise in the wording. smile
              1. Kapral Alphych
                Kapral Alphych Today, 01: 08 New
                0
                Да, базара ноль. Это он, конечно, загнул. Было тяжело конечно, хлеба не было неделями, но про то, чтобы на коленях кого-то, а тем более пиндов, просить, это из рода влажных фантазий! Народ наоборот крыл на чём свет стоит продажную власть и её заморских "партнёров "! Но, мы то тоже знаем, как порой власть и народ далеки друг от друга, так что те, может и просили чего себе - яхт, замков, клубов...) Вот комментатор тот и решил, что это с голодухи великой у них разум замутился, да народ с ельцинским сбродом попутал)
        2. figwam
          figwam 10 September 2020 12: 34 New
          +5
          During the entire 90s, once at school they gave 2 sneakers, there was never any humanitarian aid.
          1. passerby
            passerby 10 September 2020 16: 35 New
            -26
            Quote: figvam
            During the entire 90s, once at school they gave 2 sneakers, there was never any humanitarian aid.

            I don’t remember that, so it didn’t happen. Your position is clear :)
            1. figwam
              figwam 10 September 2020 16: 47 New
              +8
              Quote: passerby
              I don't remember this

              I remember everything perfectly, no need to invent for me.
              1. passerby
                passerby 10 September 2020 16: 54 New
                -22
                "there has never been any humanitarian aid" Are these your words? Then what is this? https://aif.ru/society/gallery/gumanitarnaya_pomoshch_byvshemu_sssr_v_90-e_kak_eto_bylo Or this one https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/8668
                1. figwam
                  figwam 10 September 2020 18: 30 New
                  +7
                  Quote: passerby
                  Are these your words? Then what is this?

                  I say what I saw, my relatives and friends. We did not have any humanitarian aid, nothing reached us, but the fact that according to your link, so there the planes brought 500 tons of cargo to Russia, these are crumbs, Moscow alone consumes 30-35 thousand tons of food products per DAY!
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 11 September 2020 04: 13 New
                    -22
                    First, what's the difference how much Moscow consumes food, if humanitarian aid was accepted, then it was needed, it means that people could not feed themselves. And secondly, I quote "In December 1990, 250 million ECU were allocated, mainly to Russia, as well as Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. A year later, another 200 million ECU were distributed only to Russian cities. The goods were received Moscow, St. Petersburg, Saratov, Nizhny Novgorod, Chelyabinsk. " 1 ECU, that's $ 1,18. And this is only for 2 years and only through the CES. Do you think these are trifles?
                    Quote: figvam
                    I say what I saw, my relatives and friends. We did not have any humanitarian aid, nothing reached us, but the fact that according to your link, so there the planes brought 500 tons of cargo to Russia, these are crumbs, Moscow alone consumes 30-35 thousand tons of food products per DAY!
                    1. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 11 September 2020 10: 14 New
                      +4
                      if humanitarian aid was accepted, then it was needed, then people could not feed themselves.

                      Humanitarian because it is called humanitarian. Russia has sent medical equipment to the United States, and is the United States now humbly kneeling?
                      Or will we wait for blacks to organize their state in Florida without whites, cops and covid, and then we will talk about "kneeling"?
            2. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 10 September 2020 17: 15 New
              13
              You are in your repertoire. Well, you indicated an article from the newspaper. And how does she confirm this?
              humiliatedly asked to send more humanitarian aid from the United States, tk. there was nothing to eat

              and this?
              Russia proudly, with its head held high, asked for humanitarian aid

              Doesn't confirm it in any way. I especially like how "jaundice" people select and sign photos in their articles. The humanitarian aid is usually distributed in kits. One picture shows it. But when most of the pictures about humanitarian aid are photos near the shelves of shops where people buy (!) Food ... How can I understand that this is humanitarian aid? From the most honest article signature? Especially where lumpy loose butter laughing But that's okay, I won't be surprised if our "dealers" sold humanitarian aid here. But then humanitarian aid for the end user is not exactly what it is.
              About your surprise
              As for "haven't seen"

              What confuses you? Delivered 7000 tons of goods in several years. Do you seriously believe that this could have influenced the food picture and the food supply to the population? One city like Moscow eats 65 tons per month only meat and meat products. Do you understand the scale of the question that political action present it as something that it is not? Or do you seriously believe that 24 grams of food per person for the entire time raised the question of the need for this help? Have you looked at the pictures from your article? Dragee SKittles - this is undoubtedly the most necessary "when there is nothing to eat" (you used these words) product.
              1. passerby
                passerby 10 September 2020 17: 18 New
                -33
                I already told you that I do not intend to discuss with you. You are not interesting to me.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 10 September 2020 17: 30 New
                  12
                  And you think that's why I will stop responding to your stupidity?
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 10 September 2020 17: 49 New
                    -27
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    And you think that's why I will stop responding to your stupidity?

                    Yes, I don't care what you do.
            3. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 10 September 2020 23: 39 New
              13
              Listen, you passed by accident, so go on, I hope the route is known
              1. passerby
                passerby 11 September 2020 04: 14 New
                -19
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                Listen, you passed by accident, so go on, I hope the route is known

                Listen, go wherever you send others, you know the route for sure ..
            4. Maximilian37
              Maximilian37 11 September 2020 02: 28 New
              +4
              I remember there was humanitarian aid! in 93. We were then a large family. We received a call from the social security office and invited us to receive help (that it was humanitarian, and we were not told from the SGA). I ​​don’t know how it was presented in your regions, but in Kamchatka there was no word where it came from. Upon receipt of course it became clear. By the way, then I saw lentils for the first and last time in my life.
          2. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 10 September 2020 23: 59 New
            -1
            All the syringes in the hospitals were humanitarian, and often medicines and food too.
        3. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 10 September 2020 12: 36 New
          +9
          Well, yes, the Russians refused humanitarian aid
          Do you mean the "give hope" operation at 92 by the Pentagon and the State Department to "support young independent states"?
          and Yeltsin did not ask for supplements
          Or the pre-election 96 with the injection of several credit lard dollars into the Russian economy to get Yeltsin out for a second term? Can you be more specific?
          1. passerby
            passerby 10 September 2020 16: 30 New
            -18
            Quote: Trapp1st
            Do you mean the "give hope" operation at 92 by the Pentagon and the State Department to "support young independent states"?

            I mean this, for example https://aif.ru/society/gallery/gumanitarnaya_pomoshch_byvshemu_sssr_v_90-e_kak_eto_bylo Or this is https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/8668
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 10 September 2020 16: 48 New
              13
              I mean this for example
              You bought into cheap propaganda aimed at Western consumption. The "humanitarian aid" issued with pomp is food that the United States did not manage to use during the Gulf War. And if I do not confuse anything, not 500 tons, but 183 and not to Russia, but to the CIS. That is, for 293 million people, do you understand the absurdity of the assertion that 183 tons could somehow affect the situation as a whole? An interesting question is another, that in addition to canned food was imported, I think we will find out in 50 years not earlier.
              1. passerby
                passerby 10 September 2020 16: 53 New
                -21
                Quote: Trapp1st
                You bought into cheap propaganda aimed at Western consumption. The "humanitarian aid" issued with pomp is food that the United States did not manage to use during the Gulf War. And if I do not confuse anything, not 500 tons, but 183 and not to Russia, but to the CIS. That is, for 293 million people, do you understand the absurdity of the assertion that 183 tons could somehow affect the situation as a whole? An interesting question is another, that in addition to canned food was imported, I think we will find out in 50 years not earlier.

                Well, it’s not funny to you, I’ve cited the links, everything is written in detail, including the volumes, if you don’t agree with this, cite the sources that refute what is written in the links I cited.
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 10 September 2020 16: 59 New
                  11
                  Is an aif and a merchant a source of information for you? laughing I'll send you links
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 10 September 2020 17: 00 New
                    -21
                    Quote: Trapp1st
                    Is an aif and a merchant a source of information for you?

                    What doesn't suit you about them? Cite your sources of information, which other information contains or prove that AiF and Kommersant are lying and in fact everything was wrong.
                    1. Trapp1st
                      Trapp1st 10 September 2020 17: 03 New
                      13
                      that AIF and Kommersant
                      This is a liberal press, with all that it implies. You understand what the scale of assistance should be in order for it to be enough for 293 mil. man, it was just a show. Links I'll find you as time will be.
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 10 September 2020 17: 04 New
                        -21
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        This is a liberal press, with all that it implies. You understand what the scale of assistance should be in order for it to be enough for 293 mil. man, it was just a show. Links I'll find you as time will be.

                        Ok, I'll wait for your links.
                      2. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 10 September 2020 17: 19 New
                        +8
                        Ok, I'll wait for your links.
                        Like a businessman, read a businessman.
                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3118
                      3. passerby
                        passerby 10 September 2020 17: 21 New
                        -17
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        Like a businessman, read a businessman.

                        And how does this refute what is written in the link I gave to Kommersant?
                      4. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 10 September 2020 17: 26 New
                        +8
                        And how it refutes
                        This does not refute, it makes it clear what kind of help this is. Moscow consumes more food in a day than all US aid to the CIS.
                      5. passerby
                        passerby 10 September 2020 18: 03 New
                        -20
                        First, what's the difference how much Moscow consumes food, if humanitarian aid was accepted, then it was needed, it means that people could not feed themselves. And secondly, I quote "In December 1990, 250 million ECU were allocated, mainly to Russia, as well as Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. A year later, another 200 million ECU were distributed only to Russian cities. The goods were received Moscow, St. Petersburg, Saratov, Nizhny Novgorod, Chelyabinsk. " 1 ECU, that's $ 1,18. And this is only for 2 years and only through the CES. Do you think these are trifles?
                      6. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 10 September 2020 18: 23 New
                        +8
                        what's the difference how much Moscow consumes food, if humanitarian aid was accepted, then it was needed
                        This is politics, Europe has accepted help from Russia in the fight against covid, this does not mean that Europe would have died out without it ... And you decide one thing food, another thing is money to maintain "young democracies"
                      7. passerby
                        passerby 11 September 2020 04: 18 New
                        -13
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        This is politics, Europe has accepted help from Russia in the fight against covid, this does not mean that Europe would have died out without it ... And you decide one thing food, another thing is money to maintain "young democracies"

                        You tell about politics to those people in the photos who received this humanitarian aid, and there is no need to talk about money to maintain "young democracies", you read carefully what is written on my links, it is about products purchased for such amounts, and not about the money allocated to support "young democracies".
                      8. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 11 September 2020 10: 20 New
                        +4
                        and there is no need to talk about money to maintain "young democracies", you read carefully what is written in my links, it is about products purchased for such amounts
                        Some were plundered, some were spent on retaining power, the rest was put under the knife by the food industries of the economy, in order to clear the market for Western "aid".
                      9. poquello
                        poquello 11 September 2020 18: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: passerby

                        Tell about politics to those people in the photographs who received this humanitarian aid, and there is no need to talk about money to maintain "young democracies", you read carefully

                        read Clinton's report on how much was taken out of Russia, not a small one, you yourself will find the links, by the way, how is it with humanitarian aid for the indigenous Indians from the United States)?
        4. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 10 September 2020 17: 41 New
          12
          Don't waste time on a friend, sincere advice.
          He will not understand that the "help" for grain and meat, for example, served to finish off the agricultural and agro-industrial complex, when this wheat (or corn, or rice) was still sold to the population (from which it was not help for the end consumer), but sold directively cheaper products of their manufacturers. Thus, its own agro-industrial complex did not have sales of its products within the country. Bankrupt and outbid. The "helpers" "help" very quickly beat us off then.
  • poquello
    poquello 11 September 2020 18: 25 New
    0
    Quote: passerby
    Maybe you will return from your fantasies to the real world?

    maybe you are in the real world? The United States tore off its chicken legs so hard that it fought to the last for their export to Russia
  • iouris
    iouris 10 September 2020 12: 13 New
    +3
    Yes. The President of the Russian Federation even conducted in Berlin! I asked for a drink ... But I didn't eat!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 September 2020 16: 19 New
    +6
    What's the difference now who shot down how many ...

    I think that the Korean conflict "sobered" the American hawks, who felt themselves almost half-gods with an atomic sword. And then it turned out that the USSR Air Force is not only not inferior, but also superior to the American ones. Perhaps this also played an important role in the refusal of the Americans from the planned atomic bombing of Soviet cities ...
    1. passerby
      passerby 10 September 2020 16: 44 New
      -20
      Quote: Doccor18
      I think that the Korean conflict "sobered" the American hawks, who felt themselves almost half-gods with an atomic sword. And then it turned out that the USSR Air Force is not only not inferior, but also superior to the American ones. Perhaps this also played an important role in the refusal of the Americans from the planned atomic bombing of Soviet cities ...

      Probably you are right in terms of sobering up, but looking at this conflict from today you involuntarily ask yourself a question: what should our ancestors do, if in the end everything ended with the collapse of the USSR and humanitarian aid from the USA and Western countries to the starving population of the former USSR?
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 10 September 2020 17: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: passerby
        You involuntarily ask yourself the question, what exactly did our ancestors need to do, if in the end everything ended with the collapse of the USSR and humanitarian aid from the USA and Western countries to the starving population of the former USSR?

        .... about the whole period of the transition from capitalism to socialism, the teachers of socialism did not speak in vain and did not emphasize in vain the "long agony of childbirth" of the new society, and this new society is again an abstraction that cannot be embodied otherwise than through a series various, imperfect concrete attempts to create this or that socialist state.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 10 September 2020 17: 32 New
        10
        ... you wonder whether our ancestors should have been doing what, if in the end everything ended with the collapse of the USSR ...

        Yes, those! You and me, our children and grandchildren simply would not exist now, if in 1941-1945 and 1949-1953 our fathers and grandfathers did not show to some people that Russians are the strongest-spirit people in the world.
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    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 11 September 2020 00: 06 New
      -13
      So much superior that the USSR decided to copy Saber. The USSR Air Force in the first half of the 50s could not surpass the US Air Force in any way, it is enough to look at the quantitative and qualitative composition of ours and theirs. On the Korean War, any analysis without using enemy materials is nothing more than propaganda. Yes, in general, this and so it can be seen - we reflected the Yankee raids on our allies, and not the Yankees reflected our raids. War is not won by defense.
      1. basmach
        basmach 11 September 2020 01: 42 New
        +9
        For smart people, my regiment (in which I served from 90 to 94 before disbandment) - 523 Red Banner op. Suvorov, Kutuzova, Al. Nevsky Orshansky apib-fought in Korea. During this war-3 GSS-Oskin, Ojai, Samoilov. 5 pilots lost in the Korean War, 102 victories. And no one copied Saber. Do not drive nonsense. They took as a basis some nodes - AMG (this is not a node, it is a fluid), for example, an anti-G suit. And if you don’t know a damn about military operations, it’s better to be silent, in a rag. Amers have statistics, and not in their favor. And after the Korean War, they actually wrote off the B-29 after only 10 years of operation. after big losses.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 11 September 2020 05: 59 New
          -2
          For especially gifted and banned in Google - in 1952, at the suggestion of the commander of the air defense IA E.Ya.Savitsky, by order of the government (actually by order of Stalin), a new design bureau was formed in V.Kondratyev, whose main task was to create a copy and launch a series of "Saber" "as showing the best maneuverability. The work dragged on, and in 1955 it became clear that an answer was needed not for Saber, but for new American aircraft. The story is widely known and it is rather shameful not to know it.
          1. basmach
            basmach 11 September 2020 10: 27 New
            +2
            For connoisseurs, after the start of copying work, it turned out that the constructive Soviet fighter is not inferior to the American and there are more modern components and assemblies on it. And most importantly, weapons. Saber had 6 12,7 machine guns. The Americans could not master the production of aircraft cannons (and only at the end of the Korean War a cannon modification appeared). Also, the MiG had a high climb rate. The cab on the Saber was better in terms of visibility. And I didn't write about the ratio of 1 to 102.
            Apparently in activation you understand how I am in ballet. Read carefully. 5-killed pilots not lost aircraft. 102 victories are shot down (not only Sabers, but also Thunderjets, of which were lost according to official data-358. Moreover, of the 8 Migs declared by shot down Thunderjets, only 3. Soviet pilots declared that 186 were shot down, after checking 178. And what is the ratio?) Well of course in favor of the Yankees and nothing else.
            Regarding the B-29 - after "Black Tuesday" on October 30, the Americans tried to use the B-29 only once during the day. Then they switched to night use. Tu-4 was launched not out of a good life, out of despair. a strategist was urgently needed. And as soon as the opportunity arose to change it, they immediately changed it.
            And yet, I am not a flyer, I did not write about it, I am a gunner, I served as a PrNK engineer in the squadron and the TEC.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 14 September 2020 22: 43 New
              -1
              Once again, especially for you - the Saber was superior to the MiG-15 in horizontal maneuverability, Air Marshal Savitsky was not. The instant was better in terms of altitude characteristics, but the Yankees were on a roll, we did not have high-altitude bombers then to threaten the Yankees. You wrote that Saber did not copy - you wrote! They lied - they lied, it's a shame to admit to myself. They wrote about the "modernity" of the poor B-29s - they wrote, but the Yankees already had B-47s.
              It is possible that Mig had some better units, but the list of units and technical solutions from Saber, recommended for implementation (and implemented) in the design of Soviet fighters, is widely known. The idea that the Yankees could not master the production of air cannons is a masterpiece - in fact, they used machine guns in principle, giving preference to the rate of fire over the caliber. By the way, they were rather skeptical about the MiG's armament, considering the rate of fire of our guns to be completely insufficient.
              Who you served, it makes no difference to me, next time google before voicing what the political instructors hollowed out in you.
        2. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 11 September 2020 06: 16 New
          -6
          Do you yourself believe in a loss ratio of 1: 102? This is complete nonsense, read something about the war in the skies of Korea. Now there is work on the analysis of military operations based on the study of the archives of both sides. It is difficult to single out the ratio of the Soviet and American pilots here, since the Chinese also fought, but the overall score was in favor of the Yankees. Cyril G. gives statistics below in the comments. The B-29 thesis is a masterpiece! Are you sure a pilot? Is it okay that this is a piston slow-moving aircraft that is outdated immediately after the advent of jet aircraft? And is it okay that just in these years its copy called Tu-4 was launched into a wide series?
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 11 September 2020 10: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            Now there is work on the analysis of military operations based on the study of the archives of both sides.


            Let's start with the acknowledged losses by the Americans in aerial battles.
            US Air Force - 139 aircraft.
            Not looking for the Navy and their vassals.
            The USSR Air Force lost 239 aircraft in the course of air battles, but the statistics of the USSR Air Force, in my opinion, are more adequate.
            For
            the following categories of losses are taken into account -

            A. Killed during air battles
            b) Received combat damage and crashed on landing
            c) Lost for other reasons in battle (spin, collision with the ground, collision with other aircraft)
            Downed by anti-aircraft artillery
            Lost for non-combat reasons


            Americans are still dimmer and more noticeable
            they share the loss
            Total Combat Losses (Total combat losses) и Total Non-Combat Losses (total non-combat losses)
            Total Combat Losses in turn is divided, -
            Losses due to Enemy Action on Combat Missions (Losses from enemy exposure in combat missions)
            - Air to Air (air battles)
            - Ground Fire (fire from the ground)
            - Cause Unknown (reasons unknown)

            Losses due to Non-Enemy Action on Combat Missions (losses not from enemy impact in combat missions)
            - Other Losses
            - Missing or Unknown Cause


            Total Non-Combat Losses (total non-combat losses) in turn shares
            - Other Non Operational Causes
            - Flying Accidents (incidents)


            And then you just have to carefully study https://alternatewars.com/BBOW/Stats/USAF_Losses_Korea.htm
            And an interesting insight will come in the Sabers part - that 78 units were lost in air battles, 19 units were lost from fire from the ground - 13. The reasons are unknown - 63. But the enemy already attaches 13 sides to Non-combat losses in BATTLE missions, well, XNUMX sides of the lost ones are added again for unknown reasons in combat missions but not as a result of enemy influence.
            The total is that 78 Sabers were shot down in air battles, 19 were shot down from the ground, and another 87 boards, that is, slightly less than 50 percent, based on the officialdom, died in combat missions, hell knows what ...

            And this is how it looks with us.
            Shot down during air battles - 239 aircraft.
            Received combat damage and crashed during landing - 32 sides.
            Lost for other reasons in battle (corkscrew, collision with the ground, collision with other aircraft) - 18 MiG-15.
            Shot down by anti-aircraft artillery - 3 MiG-15.
            That is, if we impose American tracing paper - in air battles - 239, zen artillery - 3, for various reasons - 50. That is, where the Americans have died in combat missions, hell knows why - 47 percent, non-combat reasons - 16 percent

            Conclusion - I personally believe that the United States cheated in terms of the causes of the death of the aircraft.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 14 September 2020 22: 50 New
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              It is quite possible. A m. and they did not cheat, but gave more detailed statistics than ours, who recorded everything in combat roters, try to figure it out now.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 23: 15 New
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                Well, look at the source for yourself. This detail is messing up.
        3. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 11 September 2020 06: 18 New
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          And the list of what was copied from Saber or was recommended for use in the development of new aircraft is widely known, there is no need to disgrace
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  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 September 2020 10: 18 New
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    The Germans didn’t shoot down more than anyone else, but in the end the USSR was destroyed,

    I don't know who drove the planes more, but the fact that the Germans lost the most pilots is a fact. And the USSR is on the 4th place in the loss of flight personnel, after Germany, England and the USA.
    And the fact that the USSR was destroyed, I will answer with the words of Bush Sr.
  • wow
    wow 11 September 2020 13: 55 New
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    Go ask ...!
  • Free wind
    Free wind 10 September 2020 11: 20 New
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    North Koreans chased planes on cows and tanks and shot them down like bowling pins, I saw them in the keen. By the way, Hartman was sentenced in the USSR to 25 years for the destruction of state property, in the amount of 350 aircraft.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 10 September 2020 11: 22 New
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      Are you exactly condemned? And how long did you serve, poor fellow?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 10 September 2020 11: 26 New
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        10 years old, released at the request of the then chancellor.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 10 September 2020 11: 37 New
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    Another blank article on VO. Well, the statistics are specific and on our losses and at least on the US Air Force found. Well, they would have collected in a heap ah ?! Do not forget the planes in Korea were also lost by the US vassals.
  • DenZ
    DenZ 10 September 2020 11: 40 New
    +4
    On the causes of the war in Korea, there is such an excellent and unique book ed. Moscow: Russian Knights Foundation. There are a lot of descriptions of real fights between our and American pilots. Don't consider it an advertisement.
    1. Chief Engineer
      Chief Engineer 10 September 2020 11: 59 New
      +5
      There are also memoirs of E.G. Pepelyaev.
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  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 10 September 2020 11: 57 New
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    Author. You are lazy and not curious ..

    Here are the losses of the MiG-15.
    Shot down during air battles - 239 aircraft.
    Received combat damage and crashed during landing - 32 sides.
    Lost for other reasons in battle (corkscrew, collision with the ground, collision with other aircraft) - 18 MiG-15.
    Shot down by anti-aircraft artillery - 3 MiG-15
    Lost for non-combat reasons - 47 MiG-15.
    In total, 339 MiG-15s of the USSR Air Force were lost during the war in Korea and in the surrounding areas.

    To this it is worth adding the following - the Chinese lost during the fighting - 224 MiG-15, 3 La-11, 4 Tu-2 (126 pilots killed)

    Here are the Sabers' losses, I quote literally.
    Losses as a result of enemy impact
    Killed during air battles - 78 ????
    Fire from the ground - 19
    Unknown - 13
    Combat losses not as a result of enemy influence (exactly !!! ????) lol
    Lost for an unknown reason and missing - 13
    Other cases - 61 (Well, what others !!! the Russians, see above, as a rule, it was damaged in battle and crashed) - turbid data, see link below wassat

    Total combat losses - 184.
    Non-combat losses - 66.
    Total lost - 250


    Now about the total losses of the US Air Force in Korea.
    Combat losses - 1466 aircraft, not combat losses in the combat zone - 516.
    https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Stats/USAF_Losses_Korea.htm

    Did not see the total losses of the US Navy and their vassals.
  • Swed
    Swed 12 September 2020 10: 53 New
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    It would have been a great movie with a cool plot, but now it's not fashionable here.