US Secretary of State: Russian officials may be involved in the poisoning of Navalny, this is bad for Russia

The head of the US Department of State, Mike Pompeo, during a long interview spoke out, including on a topic related to Alexei Navalny. As a reminder, German officials announced "evidence of the use of a chemical warfare agent from the Novichok group against the Russian oppositionist."

On the eve of the Vice-Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany once again announced "irrefutable evidence", which, however, so far no one has seen and could not analyze. Germany does not disclose documents, facts and results of biological tests, in the best traditions of modern conspiracy theories, declaring that "it is secret." In addition, it was announced that Germany was transferring samples of biomaterials to the OPCW.

In his interview, Mike Pompeo did not, as they say, hang all the dogs on Moscow at once. He limited himself to streamlined formulations. According to the US Secretary of State, "there is a possibility of the involvement of Russian high-ranking officials in the poisoning of Navalny."

Pompeo:

Many in the world think so. People realize that this could have come from officials. And this is bad for the Russians. That is, it is bad for Russia.

According to Pompeo, the United States is ready to do everything to establish the involvement of specific individuals in the "poisoning of Navalny."

By and large, as practice shows with Skripals or Powell's test tube, no one in the USA or in Europe can provide any real evidence, since everything was not started for that. And statements in the style of "officials in Russia may be involved in this" may well be enough for the collective West to introduce a new portion of anti-Russian sanctions. Moreover, the main goal has already been chosen - the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. If it was not possible to convince Berlin to abandon its implementation through pressure, they built history with "Novichok" for the Russian oppositionist, who was allegedly poisoned in Russia, but for some reason sent to Germany for treatment ...

Comments

[parusnik]

Probably, after the poisoning of Navalny, the Russian leadership will take the quality of food products even more seriously. Kilek ate, got poisoned, and abroad they decided that it was the Novichok OV. So be careful with your palm oil purchases ... because this shit then comes out ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: parusnik

this is OV "Novichok".

Cucumbers + milk = such an OV !!! I don't write the name for reasons of secrecy!

[krot]

Anglo-Saxons are strange people, to put it mildly. In the Middle Ages, they burned beautiful women without exception, believing that they were witches, less than a hundred years ago, they believed that the gods, trading slaves of both black and white ... And now they think that they are exceptional and they have any lie and fabricated facts get away with it!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: krot

Anglo-Saxons are strange people, to put it mildly. In the Middle Ages, they burned beautiful women without exception, believing that they were witches, less than a hundred years ago, they believed that the gods, trading slaves both black and white ... And now they ...

... it is believed that in Russia it is believed that US President John F. Kennedy was killed by a lone terrorist Lee Harvey Oswald ...
We need to give them a topic:
Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation: American officials may be involved in the assassination of American President John F. Kennedy - this is a shame for US democracy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: krot

Anglo-Saxons are strange people, to put it mildly. In the Middle Ages, they burned beautiful women

Yankees and now their own neg ... African Americans are being shot in batches. This is considered normal.

[Polite Moose]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cucumbers + milk = such an OV !!! I don't write the name for reasons of secrecy!

Draft?

[Ascold1901]

Probably "Runner"?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ascold1901

Probably "Runner"?

Yeah. Sprint car. Borzachok. Not a toast.

[Uncle lee]

Persuaded, I will say ... .Dristunok!

[4ekist]

They did not poison him, but hit him on the head from behind with a frying pan. The photo shows everything.

[Uncle lee]

- Why did you hit me with a frying pan on the bastard?
- I hit you, that you are hanging around everywhere!

[sniperino]

Quote: 4ekist

They did not poison him, but hit him on the head from behind with a frying pan. The photo shows everything.

He just rested at first, did not want to accept the "newbie".

[Real Pilot]

In this article, all the water and delirium ... Speculation and speculation.

The only valuable thing is the PHOTO at the beginning! A picture is worth a thousand words, as the English proverb says *

* A picture is worth a thousand words.

[novel66]

but I know !!! chill out!

[venik]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cucumbers + milk = such an OV !!! I don't write the name for reasons of secrecy!

=========
There is one more very secret, but effective OV! Serially produced ( only - ts-s-s-s !!!):

Especially damaging to FOREIGNERS!

[hohkn]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cucumbers + milk = such an OV !!!

Basically, cucumbers are easily replaced with herring. They say the effect is no worse.

[Motorist]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cucumbers + milk = such an OV !!!

"Milk and cucumbers, toilet paper -
And I don't advise you to look for me later in the field ... "

(quote, KVN, I don't remember the team and the year)

[sniperino]

Quote: Motorist

"Milk and cucumbers, toilet paper -
And I don't advise you to look for me later in the field ... "

On guard of the field - "newbie" -
Fear the enemy hamster!

[Finches]

Of course! The kids know a lot about "irrefutable" evidence, it remains for the US Secretary of State to shake a test tube with washing powder at a UN Security Council meeting, claiming that these are "Novichok" crystals squeezed out of Navalny, on which you can see the initials VVP and it's in the bag ... For this case you can actually poison three more Navalny!

[mikh-korsakov]

Evgeniy! That's what's strange to me. I looked at Wikipedia. It turns out that these "novices", our chemists have synthesized more than 60 compounds. It is reported that the Bundeswehr chemists-analysts have identified some of the "novices" in Navalny's samples by chromatography on a device called chromatomass, which is logical, in difficult cases they still do it if they have a device worth several hundred thousand dollars at their disposal. But any chemist familiar with the subject will tell you that in order to perform such an analysis, it is necessary to know the presence of which substance must be determined and that the most important thing is to have a so-called "witness" at your disposal, that is, the very substance whose presence in the sample is required to be proved. No other way. But if there are so many "newcomers", then how could the Bundeswehr members determine which witness should be chosen for work and who provided them with this witness? This means that even before the work began, they had a witness at their disposal, that is, one of the sixty poisons that, according to legend, are present in Navalny's body. With all the ensuing consequences. How does it feel? Then it is understandable why the Bundeswehr members refuse to hand over the results of their work to Russia. because, they say, there are sensitive circumstances. Meine Damen und Herren couldn't be more sensitive. And it becomes clear why our chemists did not find anything in his samples.

[Finches]

All of you competently and thoroughly wrote - they needed Navalny's victim, not the Kremlin! Therefore, the script was written in advance, but VVP confused the cards a little for them, took and gave the clown to them. As a matter of urgency, I had to spin the version with the Newbie, which was at hand, although smart people even in the West giggle at this blatant mess!

[novel66]

and I, frankly, outraged! what kind of chemical warfare agents we had that they could not poison anyone! what if tomorrow is a war?

[Finches]

Yes, ours are normal substances, they, simply, did not poison Nikago, they have a cheap counterfeit from China ...

[novel66]

well, yes, while aliexpress got it

[New Year day]

Quote: novel xnumx

and if tomorrow is war?

It will end quickly for economic reasons. It is enough to remember WHAT we already own THEM

[New Year day]

Quote: novel xnumx

for chemical warfare agents we had such that they cannot poison anyone

The equipment is in the hands of the savage - scrap metal, and he took the plane and sat down in Omsk, although someone "mined" the airport before landing. Randomness

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

smart people even in the West giggle at this blatant mess!

Give links to smart ones. They don't giggle there

[Finches]

For example, Alexander Rar, well-known in our country, will not give a link, you can find his interview in the newspaper "Arguments and Facts" last week! Jacob Kedmi ... Or don't you consider them smart people?

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

For example, our well-known Alexander Rar

then remember the mouthpiece of the Kremlin Simes

[Finches]

You won't please! So you are absolutely sure that the Kremlin is behind Navalny's poisoning?

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

So you are absolutely sure that the Kremlin is behind Navalny's poisoning?

There are also different people in the Kremlin and who is the question. Putin does not need this, I admit. But who then needs it? Someone who wants to make things worse.
Let's turn on the logic:
1. As an adversary, Navalnik has always been under a hood, around the clock and all year round - how can this be rejected? Not
2. How can you poison a person under the FSB cap? - Only in that case. if it is the FSB itself or their sympathizers. There are no options.
3. The newcomer and his groups are available only to the military or special services. The hucksters from Tomsk will not be able to buy it for any grandmother, and for an attempt they will also be imprisoned
4. The 2 previous attacks on him are not investigated at all. Why?
5. Why is there still no investigation? S. Markov in "Echo" answered this question - "there is no command from above." How so? There is a crime, but no investigation. For a plastic cup, terms are given, but here such a resonance and NOTHING.
So it turns out that there is poisoning, military poison, there is no investigation. In the end, if not participation, then pure coverage.
Who's in the Kremlin? Someone who has real power. Think of the pension reform. Putin took it upon himself, she hurt him, but he took it. Who forced or what circumstances led to this? Now he is in self-isolation, or maybe isolation?

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

Jacob Kedmi ..

when it was heard, but you listen to him, he constantly provokes Russia to the war.
In order not to become a prisoner of such kedmi and rars, you need to return to the primary sources, objective information, and not to Soloviev and Co. These are the same zakharovs, only in pants

[Finches]

Everyone is provoking something and someone, you don't need to blindly believe, you need to think - whoever thinks, they giggle, what we have, what is in the West!

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

Everyone is provoking someone for something, no need to blindly believe

speak perfectly

Quote: Finches

who thinks, they giggle,

who reflects and relies on the achievement of SCIENCE, they do not giggle. They think what to do next
Purchased propagandists giggle both here and in the West.

[Motorist]

Quote: Silvestr

Give links to smart ones. They don't giggle there

I personally know such people. How to give a reference, "doctor" of the Google generation? Record the audio file retroactively?

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Evgeniy! That's what's strange to me. I looked at Wikipedia. It turns out that these "novices", our chemists have synthesized more than 60 compounds. It is reported that the Bundeswehr chemists-analysts have identified some of the "novices" in Navalny's samples by chromatography on a device called chromatomass, which is logical, in difficult cases they still do it if they have a device worth several hundred thousand dollars at their disposal. But any chemist familiar with the subject will tell you that in order to perform such an analysis, it is necessary to know the presence of which substance must be determined and that the most important thing is to have a so-called "witness" at your disposal, that is, the very substance whose presence in the sample is required to be proved. No other way. But if there are so many "newcomers", then how could the Bundeswehr members determine which witness should be chosen for work and who provided them with this witness? This means that even before the work began, they had a witness at their disposal, that is, one of the sixty poisons that, according to legend, are present in Navalny's body. With all the ensuing consequences. How does it feel? Then it is understandable why the Bundeswehr members refuse to hand over the results of their work to Russia. because, they say, there are sensitive circumstances. Meine Damen und Herren couldn't be more sensitive. And it becomes clear why our chemists did not find anything in his samples.

If you remember, a couple of days ago on this site I discussed the question "why the Germans classified the results of their research on the poisoning of Navalny."
Then I assumed that the Germans did not want to disclose in any way:
- method of sample preparation;
- what was taken as an OB standard, the origin of the standard is in your "witness" text.

[mikh-korsakov]

Well yes. And the fact that the Germans can cheat, if they hide, I was convinced from my own experience. All my life while working, I was faced with the need for chromatographic determination of the composition of mixtures. However, I am sure that the scientific advisers of our authorities, of course, understand this, God does not know what wisdom. I wrote in such detail because I do not expect a large number of specialists in the field of chromatography among members of the forum. Hence the change in the tone of our authorities' statements in comparison with the Skripals case. Then they said "where is your proof." Now "the results of the analysis are on the table" otherwise there is no institution of a criminal case. Those who started this provocation did not expect a quick response from the pilots and the literacy of our authorities. By the way, our doctors are in vain to say that he was not poisoned. IMHO was poisoned, only under the close supervision of Western curators. However, he is alive and the provocation was apparently deciphered. God grant.

[mikh-korsakov]

Dear Midget! By the way, in this case it is not a standard. namely the witness. A standard is when quantitative analysis is performed and a calibration curve is constructed from standard solutions. In this case, it was about the detection of poison in the samples. Therefore, a witness was needed and identification was carried out, apparently, by the coincidence of the masses of the molecular ions of the witness and the peak in the sample, and the mass of the molecular ion is different for all newcomers. This is the main point. But including the differences in the sample preparation regulations, but this is already secondary.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

In this case, it was about the detection of poison in the samples. Therefore, a witness was needed and identification was carried out, apparently, by the coincidence of the masses

There is already a series of interviews with Vil Mirzoyan, the author of Novice. There are answers to all your questions - much cooler

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

By the way, in this case it is not a standard. namely the witness. A standard is when quantitative analysis is performed and a calibration curve is constructed from standard solutions. In this case, it was about the detection of poison in the samples.

Well, okay, so be it, thanks for correcting - I will take into account and continue to try to be stricter in the wording

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

And the fact that the Germans can cheat

To prevent this, they gathered chemists at their place, discussed and for independence handed over everything to specialists from the UN on the nonproliferation of chemicals. Weapons

[New Year day]

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

Then I assumed that the Germans did not want to disclose in any way:
- method of sample preparation;
- what was taken as an OB standard, the origin of the standard is in your "witness" text.

Everything is exactly as ours do not want to declassify anything. For some reason, it is believed that the Germans and Americans should declassify their developments, while they themselves arrested Safronov and cannot tell him why. Only during the flight of the plane "not there" was it, together with the passengers, lowered to the bottom in the 77th. Double standarts.
And the Germans took the Novice's standards from Mirzoyan, he himself said so yesterday.

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! Again! Which of the "newbies" there are more than 60. You say - which one is necessary and took it. What do you need? As. Means an essay on a given topic. As for Mirzoyan, he is a defector. The lies of the traitors to the Motherland - I don’t read it - out of principle, because they will write. what they are told, As for your standard argument - but yourself! If we have pluralism, I take your position, but they themselves shoot at blacks and encourage homosexuality! Therefore, any comparison is not a proof. If ours is a brave scout, if theirs is a vile spy. War is like war.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

And what is needed?

Mirzoyan did not answer in such detail, he listed several forms of the Novice and said that the spectrophotograms of all the preparations were transferred to him during the events in Salisbury. Obviously, selection is made on the principle of general to particular. There is a marker GROUPS, having received it, they began to switch to particulars. Mirzoyan said that he knows this drug.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The lies of the traitors to the Motherland - I don’t read it - out of principle, because they will write. what they are told

in vain. The brain does not stop working for them, especially since this is a SCIENCE, not politics. If a person left the USSR, what kind of traitor is he to Russia?
And then, our rulers all have foreign citizenship and run Russia. What is it like? Science is international.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

.And they themselves, they shoot at blacks and encourage homosexuality!

and to hell with blacks and homosexuals. You and I do not negros and homosexuals. Such charm is enough for us.
There is an objective science and it is not serious to oppose personal attitudes to it.
Trust me, as a former assistant professor, science is dying here. There are islands and everything good in science comes from behind the hillock. How are doctoral dissertations done! Foreign journals are opened, their conclusions are taken and furnished with our methods and results. All eminent doctors are trained there! All! And you are about traitors. Drop templates. The world is colorful

Quote: mikh-korsakov

In war as in war.

war in the heads of the rulers and the military to maintain the tone and cut the budget. Why fight when you can cut off financial flows, the flows of oil and gas, medicines and food, buy the elite and achieve the task.

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! Spectrophotometry will not pull in sensitivity. Here I calculated how much poison could be contained in the blood sample. It turned out to be of the order of a femtogram for all that. that the clearance is unknown - I neglected it, I also admitted 100% efficiency of sample preparation, and this does not happen even with the Germans.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Spectrophotometry

Both the Germans and Mirzoyan spoke about him. Perhaps there is what turned out to be bad news for the culprits. Musk also had little faith in flight, he hoped for a trampoline

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

in difficult cases, they still do it if they have a device worth several hundred thousand dollars at their disposal.

several tens of millions of Bruke with a resolution of 0.001 atomic mass. The best we have is 0,05 and the one in Moscow. One.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

To perform such an analysis, it is necessary to know the presence of which particular substance must be determined and that the most important thing is to have a so-called "witness" at your disposal ...
... But if there are so many "newcomers", then how could the Bundeswehr members determine which witness should be chosen for work and who provided them with this witness?

Yesterday there was an interview with Mirzoyanov, he said that all the tests were transferred to him during the Salisbury period. Also, curiously enough, he announced his mistake while working with the Novice with us. He conducted experiments on its hydrolysis in the tissues of the body and came to the conclusion about its rapid decay. Later, on more modern equipment, he found that this was not the case. A beginner stays in the body for a long time. This is what other researchers have come to. Ours probably did not know this and therefore gave Navalny to the Germans.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Then it is understandable why the Bundeswehr members refuse to hand over the results of their work to Russia. because, they say, there are sensitive circumstances.

that's why. If our people knew about such equipment and that Novichok decays in the body for a very long time, they would not have given Navalny to the Germans.
Mirzoyan is the creator of the Novice group, much more authoritative in the world than the Rary, Zyablitsevs and Co. The age of evidence-based medicine is the 21st century.

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! This is all true. But no one, incl. Mirzoyanov has not yet told which of the newcomers Navalny was poisoned with. The fact is that until you have entered into the chromatograph a substance identical to that. The presence of which in the sample you need to prove and did not sweep the sample size all talk about the coincidence of the masses of molecular ions is blah blah. I remember an old incident. For some reason, at our Department of Radiochemistry, a graduate student from the Physics Department defended himself. He had to prove the formation of a certain substance in a certain process. He stated that he received spectra on a spectrophotometer and the maximum wavelength coincided with the tabular data for the desired one. He was asked. And you measured the spectrum of the most sought-after substance. He replied. what for? After all, there are tabular values. So he was kicked out. And they did the right thing.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

But no one, incl. Mirzoyanov has not yet told which of the newcomers Navalny was poisoned with.

what for? The presence of a group and a specific substance is proven

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The fact is that until you have entered into the chromatograph a substance identical to that. the presence of which in the sample you need to prove and did not sweep the sample size all talk about the coincidence of the masses of molecular ions is blah blah.

do not break into an open door! If we were not told this, it does not mean that it is not.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

For some reason, at our Department of Radiochemistry, a graduate student from the Physics Department defended himself.

could I tell you how they become doctors of medical sciences now
But someone will accuse me of violating copyright

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! QED quote you "do not break into an open door! If we were not told this, it does not mean that this is not.". So I am about the same. But if it was a priori known what kind of poison Navalny travanuli, then we are taking place not with a brilliant guess of German scientists. But with a performance on a given topic with all the ensuing sanctions, especially on SP2.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

But if it was a priori known what kind of poison

Alaverdy! Who got him the first atropine? Obviously not Merkel.
In toxicology, they take everything and wait for an answer depending on the program of the device. Poisoned people come to us, we take blood and urine and send them stupidly. The answer comes specific

Quote: mikh-korsakov

but with a performance on a given theme with all the ensuing sanctions, especially for SP2.

There will be no sanctions until November 3. And then we'll see. There may be those that will ahnem. SP-2 has long been dead and for the sake of it no one would have bothered to get it. Moreover, on the territory of the Russian Federation and to a person who is under the constant guard of the FSB! What for?

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! They got him atropine to put him in a coma. However, our discussion takes place in style. "The commander said gophers, so gophers, and no ferrets." My profession is radiochemistry - a rigorous science. Everything must be justified. In addition, I believe that if Navalny was under the cover of the FSB, then it was impossible to give him poison without the permission of the FSB. Being under surveillance does not mean that an FSB agent is on his heels. The time of poisoning is maximum night and morning. Anything could have happened.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

They got him atropine to put him in a coma.

I'm not a chemist, doctor. Atropine in whom it is impossible to drive. Kill instantly, yes.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

if Navalny was under the cover of the FSB, then it was impossible to give him poison without the permission of the FSB.

Exactly what we are talking about

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! And who told you that the case in Salisbury is similar to the case with Navalny? I'm sure that in the case of Navalny, OPOV poisoning really took place, although the clinical picture really does not coincide - I don't know why, perhaps Navalny has some kind of concomitant pathology. Atropine was used because, among other things, it is used for anesthesia. In Salisbury, IMHO, there really was an intelligence failure at Porton Down. The competent British services have started the game. Ours suspected something. Petrov and Basharov did come to check. MI6 learned about this and decided to stage a provocation in order to blame the bloody Mordor. But they hounded MI6 Skripals, God forbid, not by any "novice", but by one of the psychotropic substances of the BZ group. We have. as far as I know, those are not produced. By the way, through an oversight, Swiss chemists found BZ in one of the samples. Further, it was necessary to come up with a legend that they were poisoned with such a poison that is not produced in the west. May hastily blurted out a hiley-like. But there was no newcomer in Portondown, so there was about a week's intermission for the delivery and preparation of samples. It was brought from the USA, where it was kept after the liquidation of the Nukus plant. Everyone knows the rest. I was especially touched by the lethal poisoning of a homeless person after 2 months.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

I was especially touched by the lethal poisoning of a homeless person after 2 months.

Litvinenko also died for 2 months

[figwam]

Many in the world think so. People realize that it could have come from officials

This is the level of modern American politics and these people dream of ruling the world. A world disgrace ...

[Kart]

This is how they manage.
Our opposition operates with exactly the same methods, according to the American method.
Namely - fiercely watering everything is known with what, to which hands can reach. How does it go wrong, what if it rolls? And if it doesn’t give a ride, so the sediment will still remain.

[New Year day]

Quote: figvam

This is the level of modern American politics and these people dream of ruling the world.

But they do rule!
The oil price collapsed and Trumpushka solved part of this problem for Russia. Just 1 call and the angry Saudi relented.
Somehow in the bottom line and without show-off

[Senka naughty]

Quote: parusnik

Probably, after the poisoning of Navalny, the Russian leadership will take the quality of food products even more seriously. Kilek ate, got poisoned, and abroad they decided that it was the Novichok OV. So be careful with your palm oil purchases ... because this shit then comes out ...

where did your brain go, etzh nonsense

[New Year day]

Quote: parusnik

the Russian leadership will take the quality of food products even more seriously.

It's high time, ato palm oil, TU instead of GOST

[Trapp1st]

Kilek ate, got poisoned, abroad they decided that it was OV "Novichok"

[Grandfather]

According to Pompeo, the United States is ready to do everything to establish the involvement of specific individuals in the "poisoning of Navalny."

us live at 221 b Baker Street ??? "sherlocky" damn ...

[Ascold1901]

Better to say the Pinkertons. Don't touch a wonderful character))))

[high]

Germany handed over the results of Navalny's samples about the poisoning to experts of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
By the way, Russia is a member of this organization ...
Doctors are sure that Navalny was rescued by a pilot who urgently landed a plane in Omsk, and by doctors who injected atropine, a medicine against poisoning ..

[Volodin]

Quote: alta

Doctors are sure that Navalny was rescued by a pilot who urgently landed a plane in Omsk, and by doctors who injected atropine, a medicine against poisoning ..

A cure against "poisoning by the Novice"? .. You can't imagine it on purpose, as well as the fact that when "using chemical weapons none of the other passengers on the plane was hurt." The OPCW can go to the second Nobel Prize ...

[Zaurbek]

Are they reading an interview with the creator of this tool? It is impossible to cure poisoning, at best it can slow down and the changes in the body are irreversible.

[Trapp1st]

then during the "use of chemical weapons none of the other passengers of the plane was injured"

Not a single person was injured during Navalny's poisoning!

[New Year day]

Quote: Trapp1st

Not a single person was injured during Navalny's poisoning!

So what? Difference between A-242 and A-234? Learn chemistry

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: alta

Doctors are confident that Navalny was rescued by a pilot who urgently landed a plane in Omsk, and doctors who injected atropine, a medicine against poisoning

Atropine is an anticonvulsant. From the "Novice" - like the mucus of a toad against tuberculosis ...

[Avior]

... Atropine is an effective antidote (antidote) for poisoning with cholinomimetic and anticholinesterase substances, including FOS (organophosphorus substances); it is used for acute poisoning with FOS, as a rule, in combination with cholinesterase reactivators.

When Navalny wakes up, to the doctor or paramedic of the ambulance who diagnosed poisoning and prescribed atropine, who also delivered the patient to the toxicology department, the rest of his life will be grateful for the professionalism of the doctor.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

Atropine is an effective antidote (antidote)

Including. I once entered the army first-aid kit (I don’t know now) ... And it is also used for pancreatitis and other similar sores (duodenal ulcer, for example) ...

[Avior]

Precisely as a remedy against OP poisoning, Aprofen or Taren was included in the first-aid kit, as an effective antidote against OPOV, Omsk doctors immediately injected him and immediately injected the patient in toxicology.
Although atropine is used in medicine for other purposes, up to eye drops.

[Volodin]

Quote: Avior

When Navalny wakes up, to the doctor or paramedic of the ambulance who diagnosed poisoning and prescribed atropine, who also delivered the patient to the toxicology department, the rest of his life will be grateful for the professionalism of the doctor.

And Navalny, “when he wakes up,” will definitely have to admit that the doctors who treated him, the passengers of the plane and his own relatives who had contact with him, either cyborgs or aliens, because the “chemical weapons” did not take them ...

[Avior]

As well as the Japanese doctors who treated 5 victims of the Aum Senerike sect in the Tokyo subway.

[Volodin]

Quote: Avior

As well as the Japanese doctors who treated 5 victims of the Aum Senerike sect in the Tokyo subway.

Yes, yes, and them too, especially those who treated right in the subway and all 5 thousand ...

[Avior]

And that's all you can write about the fact that the doctors were not injured?
Oh well...

[Ascold1901]

Nope ... They will say that the insidious Russians have tested their new development on bulk - precise targeting chemical warfare agents! Well, after all, it is logical - if there are such bombs, then why should the BOV not be the same?

[Liam]

Quote: Volodin

And Navalny, “when he wakes up,” will definitely have to admit that the doctors who treated him, the passengers of the plane and his own relatives who had contact with him, were either cyborgs or aliens, because the “chemical weapons” did not take them ..

You are a great forum chemist and doctor in one person, apparently.
Read what the creator of the Newbie says on the topic .. he certainly understands more than you in these matters.

https://echo.msk.ru/amp/programs/beseda/2706129-echo/

[Volodin]

Quote: Liam

. he certainly understands more than you in these matters.

So I don't seem to argue that the creator of the Newbie certainly understands "in these matters" more than I do. Here is an interview with the creator of "Novichok" - Professor Rink (you can here - https://iz.ru/1056039/2020-09-02/sozdatel-novichka-prokommentiroval-otravlenie-navalnogo). For understanding, one quote: "In general, this case would not have happened, since he (Navalny) would have been in the cemetery." So think about it.

[Liam]

Quote: Volodin

Professor Rink

Are you talking about this comrade? .. well, well .. How not to believe a person with such a biography.

Expert of the State Duma Committee on Defense

Between 1999 and 2006, Rink testified to investigators in the murder of banker Ivan Kivelidi. From these testimonies it follows that Rink synthesized about one gram of a toxic nerve agent, poured it into several ampoules (8-9 pieces) and took it to his garage. Later, he sold these ampoules to various people associated with crime. At the same time, Rink explained to customers what safety measures must be observed when using the substance and said that "... the signs of death will be like with heart disease." Rink handed over the ampoules in the body of a regular pen and took from 1500 to 1800 dollars for each.

As the investigators established, Ivan Kivelidi was killed by a substance produced by Rink. It was applied under the rubber 5mm screw cap on the telephone receiver. After the death of Kivelidi, Rink sold the substance to some “persons of Chechen nationality”. Prior to that, Rink gave one ampoule to his friend named Ryabov, who threatened him. Another ampoule "for self-defense" was acquired by a citizen of Latvia, former Riga riot policeman Artur Talanov, who participated in the attack on the collectors. Later Talanov brought investigators to Vladimir Khutsishvili, who was subsequently sentenced to 9 years for the murder of Kivelidi and his secretary

Leonid Rink was found guilty of abuse of office, which consisted in the illegal production of hazardous substances. Sentenced to one year probation.

Two criminal cases against Rink were dropped in 1999 and 2004, according to the Novaya Gazeta article. One of them was terminated due to the expiration of the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution

Judging by his testimony, the Novice in Russia was traded right and left, and he made it almost in the garage and sold it to everyone, including the Chechens.

[Reviews]

The question is not about Rink's criminal record.

Quote: Liam

Ivan Kivelidi was killed substance

Some of the urks were able to measure the deadly dose, but the bloody gebnya did not. Nu-nu ...

[Liam]

Quote: Avis

Some of the urks were able to measure the deadly dose, but the bloody gebnya did not. Nu-nu

We saw ... Kivelidi was dying long and painfully. They poisoned him on August 1 and died on the 4th. No instant death.
And the possibilities of German medicine in 2020 and Russian medicine in 1995 are slightly different levels.
By the way ....A patient in serious condition suddenly felt better when he was given atropine to see the fundus: the fact is that atropine is a partial antidote to organophosphorus compounds. On August 4, Kivelidi died without regaining consciousness
Back in 1995, Russian doctors, not knowing what poisoned Kivelidi, accidentally injected him with a dose of atropine and almost saved him from death. And Navalny was injected with atropine since the Omsk ambulance.

[Reviews]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Avis

Some of the urks were able to measure the deadly dose, but the bloody gebnya did not. Nu-nu

We saw ... Kivelidi was dying long and painfully. They poisoned him on August 1 and died on the 4th. No instant death.

"Almost counts," as you know. But the difference between professional security officials and prisoners is far from "just". Like, they cannot think one step ahead: the poisoned person can be helped, it is also better not to reduce the dose, in order to kill him for sure. Yes, and it is so stupid to use an illuminated (whether it is justified or not) battle poison for the Nth time in several years that it is even inconvenient to comment. :)

[Liam]

Quote: Avis

But the difference between the professional security officials and the prisoners is far from "little"

We all saw this difference in one unforgettable interview with the unforgettable M. Simonyan

Quote: Avis

it is also better not to reduce the dose in order to surely kill

If the dose is not reduced, so that for sure, then poison the whole plane and you cannot write off history for bad moonshine and interruptions in metabolism.
By the way, Kivilidi was given a dose 100 times higher than the lethal dose, and still lived for 4 days.

Quote: Avis

Yes, and it is so stupid to use illuminated (whether it is justified or not) battle poison for the Nth time in several years,

The old dog is difficult to teach new tricks.
The whole calculation was that Navalny would die in Russia. Nobody would have given the corpse to the Germans for research. And in the conclusion of death, some kind of sudden Extensive heart attack.Like these two comrades when the doping scandal broke out.
Former executive director of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA), 51-year-old Nikita Kamaev, died on Sunday from a massive heart attack. Note that this is the second case of the death of a high-ranking RUSADA employee since the beginning of the month - on February 5, it became known about the death of the ex-head of this organization, Vyacheslav Sinev. He was also only 50 years old.
Navalny was rescued by an airplane pilot who spit on an anonymous message about a bomb at the Omsk airport, which arrived at the same minutes when he requested an urgent landing (there are such coincidences) and urgently sat down, and an ambulance team that injected him with atropine while still in the ambulance.

[Reviews]

Quote: Liam

We all saw this difference in one unforgettable interview with the unforgettable M. Simonyan

I don’t know who it is.

If the dose is not reduced, so that for sure, then poison the whole plane and you cannot write off history for bad moonshine and interruptions in metabolism.
By the way, Kivilidi was given a dose 100 times higher than the lethal dose, and still lived for 4 days.

The old dog is difficult to teach new tricks.

... yeah, and therefore the same "ineffective" substance is used over and over again. Aren't you funny yourself?

The whole calculation was that Navalny would die in Russia.

Were you personally present at these calculations?

spit on an anonymous message about a bomb at the Omsk airport, which arrived at the same minutes when he requested an urgent landing (there are such coincidences)

I didn't give a damn. The runway was not "mined". It will not interfere with the landing of an aircraft with such a request. Could wait for the end of the nix while taxiing. When people are evacuated in such cases, they are simply taken away from the station by 30-50 meters.

[Liam]

Quote: Avis

the same "ineffective" substance.

Why ineffective? Kivilidi, his secretary, 44-year-old British woman Don Sturges, Bulgarian business man Gebrev and many others will disagree with you.
It's just a weapon. And like any weapon it is not trouble-free. Sometimes it kills, sometimes it only wounds, it depends on the circumstances.

Quote: Avis

Were you personally present at these calculations?

I am not. Just like you, however. But the answers to all these questions will be given by highly professional law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation, which are undoubtedly concerned about the use of a prohibited BOV on the territory of the Russian Federation, an attempt on the life of a citizen of the Russian Federation and initiated a criminal case in order to establish who and how. Or did not initiate ?

[Reviews]

Quote: Liam

Why ineffective? Kivilidi, his secretary, 44-year-old British woman Don Sturges, Bulgarian business man Gebrev and many others will disagree with you.

... having managed to light up all over the world. Drop dead "reliable" weapon. :)

I am not. As well as you however.

Duc, and I'm not saying that there was a calculation and there was just such a calculation. You have come up with something. And then into the bushes.

are undoubtedly concerned about the use of a banned BOV on the territory of the Russian Federation, an attempt on the life of a citizen of the Russian Federation and initiated a criminal case in order to establish who and how. Or did they not initiate?

... or was there no BOV? :)

[Liam]

Quote: Avis

having managed to light up all over the world.

Do you know a weapon that is not exposed to the whole world?)

Quote: Avis

or was there no BOV?

Naturally, it was not. I poisoned myself with moonshine. Or with sprat as an option.
By the way, what was the diagnosis made by the Russian doctors? What happened to him after all, that they began to treat immediately with atropine? Undoubtedly, Russian doctors have a detailed diagnosis that utterly smashes the fabrications of the Germans and they found spoiled products that poisoned the bulk. Or nothing like that and all the officialdom switched to folklore Prove?

[Reviews]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Avis

having managed to light up all over the world.

Do you know a weapon that is not exposed to the whole world?)

Now turn on the logic. The deadline is a week.

Naturally, it was not. I poisoned myself with moonshine. Or with sprat as an option.

"I have no more questions."

[New Year day]

Quote: Liam

And the ambulance team that injected him atropine still in the ambulance.

BOOOT !!!!!!!!! Who told them about atropine? For 40 years they have been working with ambulances and have rarely met diagnostic geniuses on asphalt. And then bam and immediately atropine!
When people in our country died after Nord-Ost, the antidote was named only when the mortality rate went up to tens. The Moscow intensive care unit could not carry out etiopathogenetic treatment! And here, a beardless paramedic / doctor and immediately etiopathogenetic treatment. Very strange

[Liam]

Come on. Symptoms of FOS poisoning - a dark forest for an ambulance doctor?
The clinical picture of FOS poisoning with substances is due to the development of symptoms of damage to certain organs and systems. With the defeat of the respiratory system, development is noted bronchospasm, expiratory dyspnea, cough with a large amount of sputum, dyspnea, pulmonary edema.
Atropine is the first remedy for relieving bronchospasm. Or not?

[New Year day]

Quote: Liam

Okay. Symptoms of OP poisoning - a dark forest for an ambulance doctor?

If you are an ambulance doctor, then I Well done. It remains for them to learn how to diagnose Fr. Appendicitis is correct. Bullshit Compared to FOS

[Volodin]

Why should I not believe him, but believe this man? Vil Mirzayanov. In 1995 he emigrated to the USA. Lives and works in Princeton. In 2009, at a conference dedicated to the separation of Tatarstan from Russia, Vil Mirzayanov was elected "Prime Minister of the government in exile."
"KGB", which "hounded the Skripals and Navalny", but could not calculate the dose - well, this is a circus with horses ...

[Liam]

Because he was a criminal who traded this same Novice with the purpose of contract killings, and received for this one (1) year probation and the post of an adviser to the State Duma. Therefore, he cannot declare anything else. And the facts themselves refute his own statements. He traded this BOV right and left, his Novice killed several people in Russia. in his own words. However, no mass infections and deaths happened.
By the way, I hope you have no questions after his testimony on the Novice trade about where the Novichok's formula is known from. Mirzoyanov gave them the formula and samples back in the early 90s. Therefore, it was not difficult for the British and Germans to calculate the traces in the analyzes.

[Volodin]

Quote: Liam

Because he is a criminal who traded this very Novice with the purpose of contract killings.

And Mirzayanov is a banal slider who can now say whatever he wants.

Quote: Liam

Therefore, both the British and the Germans had no difficulty in calculating the traces in the analyzes.

Kaneshna ... No one doubted that they would find it, because the Russian "aHents" had fallen so low that they hound everyone solely according to Mirzayanov's formula ...

Look for who benefits from - and everything will fall into place. Thank!

[Liam]

Quote: Volodin

can say anything

Mirzoyanov confirmed his words with formulas and samples submitted to the OPCW.

[Liam]

Quote: Volodin

Look for who benefits

Where to start? From the owners of yachts and villas in Tuscany, recorded for charitable funds and donations from Usmanov, or from the buyer of cabbage at prices like foie gras for the National Guard?) List of huge candidates

[Overlock]

Quote: Volodin

And Mirzayanov is a banal slider

What then, tell me about Rodnina, Tretyak and all our leaders who have real estate and money abroad NOW? After all, they control you and you believe them.
Mirzayan left Russia, was born and raised, became a scientist in the USSR. In one of the interviews, he told how his colleagues swept the trash in the 90s. He did not want to, and well done.

[Overlock]

Quote: Volodin

Professor Rink

just a petty thief

[New Year day]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Atropine is an anticonvulsant.

Atropine (lat.Atropinum) - anticholinergic (m-anticholinergic), vegetable alkaloid. Chemically it is a racemic mixture of D- and L-tropic acid tropine ester.
According to modern concepts, atropine is an exogenous antagonist of cholinergic receptors. The ability of atropine to bind to cholinergic receptors is explained by the presence in its structure of a fragment that makes it akin to the molecule of the endogenous agonist, acetylcholine.

The main pharmacological feature of atropine is its ability to block m-cholinergic receptors; it also acts (although much weaker) on n-cholinergic receptors. Atropine belongs, therefore, to the non-selective m-cholinergic receptor blockers.

By blocking m-cholinergic receptors, it makes them insensitive to acetylcholine, in the area of ​​the endings of the postganglionic parasympathetic (cholinergic) nerves. The effects of atropine are opposite to those observed when the parasympathetic nerves are excited.

Apply atropine with gastric ulcer and duodenal ulcer, pylorospasm, cholecystitis, cholelithiasis, with spasms of the intestines and urinary tract, bronchial asthma, to reduce the secretion of the salivary, gastric and bronchial glands, with bradycardia, which developed as a result of an increase in the tone of the vagus nerve.

For pain associated with spasms of smooth muscles, atropine is often administered together with analgesics (analgin, promedol, morphine, etc.).

In anesthetic practice, atropine is used before anesthesia and surgery and during surgery to prevent bronchiolo- and laryngospasm, limit the secretion of the salivary and bronchial glands and reduce other reflex reactions and side effects associated with the excitation of the vagus nerve.

Atropine is also used for X-ray examination of the gastrointestinal tract, if necessary, to reduce the tone and motor activity of the stomach and intestines.

In connection with the ability to reduce the secretion of sweat glands, atropine is sometimes used with increased sweating.

Atropine is an effective antidote for poisoning with cholinomimetic and anticholinesterase substances, including FOS.
In the absence of more modern means, for example, Athena or Aprofen (Taren), atropine can be used as first aid as an antidote to the action of FOS (organophosphorus compounds) (sarin, soman, VX, chlorophos, karbofos, etc.), with the obligatory taking cholinesterase reactivators (isonitrosine, 2-PAM) in the next few hours.
It's so simple - just ask the word "atropine"

[mikh-korsakov]

Evgeny! Not true. Read about Sylvester's atropine on this forum. He wrote everything correctly.

[Ascold1901]

It says "passes"! Maybe the transfer of samples will be "in Estonian"))))

[Olddetractor]

Whatever the US Secretary of State says, everything is bad for Russia. Such is his secretary of state

[viktor.]

Is Lyoshka in the same room as Squeaks?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: viktor.

Is Lyoshka in the same room as Squeaks?

No, they are both from the same "Top secret" folder of the Anglo-Saxons.

[Ascold1901]

"Is Lyoshka in the same room as Squeaks?" - sure. He is treated by direct transfusion of their blood) There is no other way! Moreover, they will say: "Thanks to the experience gained in the treatment of the Skripals, we saved Navalny!"

[Avior]

After Russia, Germany is most interested in the construction of SP2. The situation with Navalny is a serious threat that SP2 may not be completed, with him, and so seriously spun.
And what do we see? In Russia, it is Germany that is accused of the situation with Navalny.
You read and ask yourself - is it not Efremov who loaned his lawyer to the government for a while?: (((

[Mavrikiy]

if at 18 a person does not strive for world justice, he is a scoundrel, and if at 40 he calls on the barricades, then he .

What a correct thought.

Alexei Anatolievich Navalny (born June 4, 1976,

So who are you, Lesha?

[Consul]

Quote: Mavrikiy

So who are you, Lesha?

Anyone, but he is definitely not a patriot of Russia.

[rocket757]

It's funny ... out of the blue, stumble over a bump ... or rather, get into a big stinking heap ???
What id / And \ is it all arranged ???
It is high time to introduce the NAME "ge / R \ oya" to the public !!!
We will not spit into it, we will not swear, but it is time to explain to the "blah / f" that in the present clumsy world, good deeds in relation to a certain contingent, faces, are STRICTLY PUNISHED, from the faces and their owners!

[Tank jacket]

The poisoning of Navalny was the work of the US special services. Look for someone who benefits.
They wanted to help Biden suffering from dementia.

[Avior]

So there was no poisoning
... Otherwise, the TFR would have filed a case
...

[Tank jacket]

Poisoning in quotation marks as a method of information warfare. In the intercepted negotiations between Poland and Germany, they said the war was going on and all means were good ...

[Avior]

Yeah, if Nick and Mick themselves said so, and Lukashenka himself gave a grudge that it was so, then what kind of disputes could be ...

[Tank jacket]

There is still an unpublished part of the negotiations. We use this part as a bridle or a strict collar for Poland and Germany. There was one collar in the shape of Minsk-2, now they put on another one. Sit closer ... even closer. (C)

[Avior]

Give a link, it's interesting to read about the unpublished part.
Is it as awkward as the published one?

[Tank jacket]

You are supposed to keep your trump cards with you.

[Avior]

Here, I ask, if there are these trump cards, give a link where it is written about them.
How did you have to find out about these trump cards?

[Tank jacket]

What for? When there are indirect signs
-----
Alexei Navalny, who is in the Berlin clinic "Charite" after being poisoned with a nerve agent of the "Novichok" class, after getting out of a coma feels better than one would expect in such a situation, according to a joint article by The Insider, Bellingcat and Der Spiegel with reference to sources.

According to them, the physical and mental recovery of the Russian oppositionist is faster and easier than the recovery of ex-GRU colonel Sergei Skripal and Bulgarian businessman Yemelyan Gebrev after the Novichok poisoning.
-------
He immediately began to recover when Berlin was tugged at the strict collar (unpublished part of the negotiations) ...
Now SP-2 will be accelerated ...

[Avior]

And in Omsk, he was pretending to be in a coma?
You have strong indirect signs! So you can blame a lot ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Tank jacket

He immediately began to recover when Berlin was tugged at the strict collar (unpublished part of the negotiations).

and the fact that 2 weeks on mechanical ventilation was, nothing?

Quote: Tank jacket

Now SP-2 will be accelerated ...

Calm down - the pipe is dead and no one needs it.
Germany, a key market for Gazprom, cut fuel imports by 43% in July, and by 2019 times compared to 2,2.
Russian gas is replaced by gas from Norway and LNG from the United States and Qatar. The share of Gazprom in Europe fell to 27,8% - this is at least 20 years. Two years ago, the monopoly held 36,6% of the market, and in 2008 - 39%. When Putin came to power, Gazprom had a 48% stake in Europe.
https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/germaniya_sokratila_zakupki_gaza_u_rossii_do_minimuma/
Learn to live within your means, young man. Freebie is over

[Overlock]

Quote: Tank jacket

Poisoning in quotes

I believe that you yourself will thrust the ventilator down your throat with great joy right up to the rectum. What can't you do for PR

[Tank jacket]

See how we pull Grandma Merkel by the strict collar, and she diligently heals Navalny. We will even prevent her from treating him, and she comes out on karyachki. Because Mercedes BMW and Volkswagen must be sold in Russia.

[Tatyana Pershina]

Quote: Tank jacket

The poisoning of Navalny is the work of the special services

Is it proved that it was poisoning, and not the body's reaction to any disease - pancreatitis, diabetes, etc.? By the way, that's why a criminal case has not been initiated - the fact of a criminal act has not been established. People with initially unclear diagnoses are constantly being admitted to hospitals - and for each of them to initiate a criminal case on intentional poisoning?

[tralflot1832]

There, not only Nord Stream 2 is under threat, everything that goes to Europe can be cut off. They want to bring us to the level of the Serbs. Before external control! They will not wait!

[Dikson]

Well, well ... Ukraine hasn’t blocked anything ... - and all the same, Gazprom pays money, how cute .. And for stopping gas supplies to Europe - Miller's comrades in general will let the country around the world ... All this is blowing bubbles .. No one in Europe and the United States is afraid of our statements and concerns .. Immediately it was necessary to knock on the table with his fist ...

[1536]

And I have to know what some "secretary general" from the USA is saying?

[Mountain shooter]

It's bad for Russia to be ... Russia. Not tolerant, not bending "what you please", not kissing shoes, black ... leather. For that, they hate, and will try to dismember and post. And since they are afraid by force, they will try to slander and weaken, and from the inside undermine ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

For that, they hate, and will try to dismember and post. And since they are afraid by force, they will try to slander and weaken, and even undermine from within.

The most effective way is to "slander and weaken", and when it comes to its logical end, then either order a "war" or "maydanchik". After 1914, how many countries of the world fell apart on the world map, and how many incomprehensible "limitrophes" were formed, and after 1945 the occupation was added. And in the 90s, a new round added collapse, occupation, limitrophes - sometimes by war, and sometimes by Maidans. "Covid-19" appeared in people's heads not in 2019, but in 1914, and there is no vaccine against it yet.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: tihonmarine

After 1914, how many countries of the world collapsed on the world map, and how many incomprehensible "limitrophes" were formed

And Austria-Hungary or the Ottoman Empire were not limitrophes ?!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stirbjorn

And Austria-Hungary or the Ottoman Empire were not limitrophes ?!

These were Empires, when there was not even a trace of the United States and Germany, but they were Empires of 50 million and 25 million people, and then they were split into dozens of limitrophes, who are now trying to show themselves as states, and in fact, trifles and vassals ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It's bad for Russia to be ... Russia. .... even on the South Coast of Crimea I did not notice this ... people on long-bay accordions with numbers from all over the mother of Russia. Taurida and the Crystal Bridge are of course wonderful. but the peripheral routes turned out to be not rubber, which, in principle, annoys, but does not diminish the joy ... so it's not bad enough for Russia to be Russia

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

even on the South Coast of Crimea, I did not notice this ... people

Sochi is also not bad ... I am from the point of view of a foreign observer ... From the side who ... evaluates.
And the fact that Russia is the best place on Earth ... you don't need to convince me ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I am from the point of view of a foreign observer ....... but who can dispute this ... a foreign observer can lick the shoes of blacks to lick the shoes of a foreign observer. yes in a zomboyaschik to look where and what they broke like a hot water bottle ... and for us ... as in a proverb ... And Vaska eats and listens ...

[Andrea]

When Navalny was taken to Germany, for some reason I immediately thought about the old rake ... and why don't the bigwigs teach us anything?
We will not wait for any proof.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrea

We will not wait for any proof.

We will not wait for proofs, and whether they are needed, the "rubber bubble" of Navalny is not so great. Well, hungry dogs howl, "the dog barks and the caravan moves on."

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Andrea

When Navalny was taken to Germany, immediately

And if not taken out? I mean, they weren't allowed? This is a game with a known result, but the accusations sounded a little differently - you do not allow export, it means that you are hiding something. So they poisoned them, and covered up the traces, but they cured them by accident, and now he has a speech with a stutter and his leg stumbles ...

[Consul]

Even if Navalny had not been released from Russia, the bumps would not have gone anywhere.

[solzh]

Quote: Andrea

We will not wait for any proof.

They are not and never will be. What evidence can there be if there was no poisoning?

[Egoza]

"The USA is ready to do everything ...." I BELIEVE! For what only the United States will not go to snatch its piece of profit. Py.Sy. Well, and purely as a woman, and how much did they pay to the failed widow?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

For that only the US will not go to snatch its piece of profit.

And do a dirty trick to both near and far.

[sergo1914]

Well, the photo shows how "Novichok" sneaks up on Navalny. And then grunt - and poisoning. I would have been shaken.

[tihonmarine]

According to Pompeo, the United States is ready to do everything to establish the involvement of specific individuals in the "poisoning of Navalny."

So the circle of people in the countries of which Navalny worked was identified. This was announced by the Defense Ministers and the German Foreign Ministry, now the United States is already on this list, the Balts and Poland are not taken into account, even Navalny would not work for them.

[Dikson]

I repeat once again - it is elementary to deprive Mr. Navalny of his citizenship .. And let anyone in Europe or America accept it. Enough of babysitting and wiping off. People are imprisoned for lesser duties, and for many years now a citizen of Russia has been openly exposing the country to sanctions and playing with the enemies of our country on the same team .. He will immediately be awarded the Nobel Prize .. As a fighter for democracy ..

[Reviews]

Quote: Dikson

He will immediately receive the Nobel Prize .. As a fighter for democracy ..

This year the place for the "peace prize" has been taken - some Norwegian senator has already licked Trump.

[Connor MacLeod]

We must hold on! The Americans themselves are already exhausted. The confrontation between the United States and China is entering an open phase. It will get easier soon ...

[Boris55]

From the news feed:
"The authorities of the Federal Republic of Germany: Navalny survived thanks to the quick reaction of the Omsk doctors."

[Blue fox]

Yes, yes, it was Stirlitz again.

[esso]

Mr. Pompeo handed over his leadership as the customers of this performance. He's talking nonsense again.

[Zaurbek]

Substance Creator:
"Absolutely bullshit. Of course, I know all the options for" Newbies ". But this statement has nothing to do with the mechanism of action, with the fact that symptoms should appear. There are no symptoms. Even if you say what you want, there are no symptoms. Nothing. cannot be done. There is no death. Forget about Novice, "he said.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Are there traitors in the upper echelons of power, agents of the West, snickering officials with houses and families in London? Yes there are a lot of them! Who feeds all this "Opposition" here - Gazprom! Someone must have received an award for stopping North Stream 2. All these Americans, Geyropeans have always been and will be our enemies! But with the enemies inside the country, first of all, you need to figure out who is working to break up relations with Ukraine, Belarus, in general, no one really deals with the entire post-Soviet space, everything is America and America, it sounds weak! So officials from the United States may very well be right, for sure someone from the upper echelons can calmly be involved in this! After all, someone covered this Navalny ?!

[shtatsov]

Evidence photo! All are quite recognizable! What the fuck Newbie! Frying pan !!!! I demand an immediate investigation and punishment of those responsible !!!!

[ZVS]

It is strange that in the United States, frank people are working in power.

[solzh]

There is nothing strange about this. They have a demand for freaks in the states.

[Zaurbek]

And in the meantime:
Alexei Navalny has almost completely recovered after recovering from a medical coma, write Der Spiegel, The Insider and Bellingcat. In this regard, the criminal police strengthened the protection of the politician, fearing that this could become a pretext for new

[thinker]

Yeah, exciting reading
"The police are strengthening the protection of Navalny"

According to the analysis of the special laboratory of the Bundeswehr, a variant of the Russian nerve agent Novichok was used for the attack, which even more toxic than the substance with which Russian ex-agent Sergei Skripal was poisoned in 2018b and his daughter ..

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-polizei-verschaerft-bewachung-a-f5be0a59-4066-4f02-aa72-43fd8b6b43b0

[cheburator]

This is called hali likely vyser. American officials may be involved in the poisoning of Navalny, this is bad for the United States! How do you? .. Breathe deeper, We also know how ... And the Anglo-Saxons are not strange people, but rotten!
We are Russians! God with us!

[Zaurbek]

This is a rank lower ...
1. All analyzes were taken in the Russian Federation
2 were reanimated in Russia too

Accordingly., All samples are in the Russian Federation.

[musorg]

However, he came to his senses and remembers everything 80%! Apparently "Novice" was overdue!

[solzh]

Quote: musorg

However, he came to his senses and remembers everything 80%

It used to happen before, sometimes in the morning you don't remember everything ... Do you remember how you met, how you entered the store, how you sat down in the garage, but how you got home you don't remember ... The same 80% remember, 20% don't remember

[Viktor Sergeev]

The American special services are most likely involved in staging the "poisoning" of Navalny, is this good for the United States?

[Viktor Sergeev]

But they said for a long time: why wasn't Lesha put in prison? I would sit quietly, eat gruel.
If Lesha would like to remove the spetsltszhby, then Lesha would hang himself, and even leave a note, and even more likely he would go in a car, drunk and crash into a tree.

[solzh]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

why wasn't Lesha put in prison?

Only because, as I think, he posed no threat to anyone.

[Ivan Tixiy]

Everything is straight according to Krylov's fable .... "Oh, what am I to blame?" - "Shut up! I'm tired of listening,
Leisure me sort your fault, puppy!
You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat. "

[teron]

"There is a possibility of the involvement of Russian high-ranking officials in the poisoning of Navalny ... That is, it is bad for Russia."

Of course it's bad - they are traitors, they failed to poison them properly and were released from the country. And at the same time, such persons in Russia are "high-ranking", with such grief for bread.
Although, on the other hand ... There is a possibility that Russian high-ranking officials have nothing to do with it.

[solzh]

Quote: teron

There is a possibility that Russian dignitaries have nothing to do with

In this case, I think they have nothing to do with it. Why would they hound Navalny? He did not pose a threat to them.

[Prisoner]

This bastard is trying to transfer from a sick head to a healthy one.