"Undeserved pressure from the EU": the Ministry of Defense of Serbia explained the refusal to participate in joint exercises in Belarus

10 September 2020

The information that the Serbian army was forced to refuse to participate in the joint exercises, which was planned to be held on the territory of Belarus, was confirmed. The exercises, in which Serbia planned to participate, will start in Belarus today. They will be attended by servicemen of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation.

The official position of the Serbian leadership is as follows: we refuse to participate in the joint exercises "Slavic Brotherhood 2020" because of the pandemic and the desire to maintain the real neutrality of the Serbian state. This statement was made by the head of the country's Defense Ministry, Alexander Vulin.
According to Vulin, Serbia will not conduct military exercises “with any foreign country or structure, be it the CSTO, Russia, the United States, China or the European Union.

The subsequent statement of the Serbian minister attracted special attention. The Serbian Defense Minister noted that his country has come under "incredible and undeserved pressure from the European Union."

Alexander Vulin:

This position looks unfounded. She is a surge of emotion and outright hysteria.

For reference: "Slavic Brotherhood 2020" - exercises that are counter-terrorist in nature. They will be held at a training ground in the Brest region.

Poland, Lithuania and a number of other EU countries managed to declare that such exercises "threaten the security of the European Union countries." It was also added that Lukashenka "uses the army to try to show his legitimacy."

Photos used:: Facebook / Ministry of Defense of Serbia

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The leader of the Redskins 10 September 2020 06: 12
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Serbia made a historic choice long ago. And ordinary people remember him. Well, and the politicians ... They are leaving - coming. Whenever they will be ashamed of their weakness.
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  Whenever they will be ashamed
  No one will ever be. A friend in need is a friend indeed. This is when they feel bad, they shout -Russia help! And when we need it, everyone's tail is drawn in.
  1. Mitroha 10 September 2020 06: 20
    
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    This is how the "Slavic Brotherhood" looks like now, someone was intimidated, someone was bought, someone was dirtied with propaganda by the sponsored media, at the suggestion of engaged elites.
    For several decades, almost all ties between the Slavs were destroyed. But more upsetting is that many, like sheep, went to the slaughter without resisting
    1. 7,62h54 10 September 2020 07: 19
      
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      The continuation of the story may well be Serbia's participation in NATO exercises.
      1. Vladimir61 10 September 2020 07: 23
        
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        The continuation of the story may well be Serbia's participation in NATO exercises.
        
        After all, the article says: "According to Vulin, Serbia will not conduct military exercises with any foreign country or structure, be it the CSTO, Russia, the United States, China or the European Union."
        
        7,62h54 10 September 2020 07: 25
        
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        They also write on the fence. After the feints of the brothers, you should not believe their verbal diarrhea.
        
        Ascold1901 10 September 2020 08: 02
        
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        But NATO was not mentioned ....
      2. Lara Croft 10 September 2020 07: 40
        
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        The continuation of the story may well be Serbia's participation in NATO exercises.
        
        Why are they worse than Armenians? Serbs have no one to be offended by the people who handed over their president to The Hague, the fate of lackeys is prepared ...
        
        Trapp1st 10 September 2020 10: 33
        
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        who surrendered his president to the Hague
        Not without our mediation.
        
        Lara Croft 10 September 2020 20: 45
        
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        who surrendered his president to the Hague
        Not without our mediation.
        
        What is the RF to blame for again?
    2. Max otto 10 September 2020 09: 09
      
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      This is how the "Slavic Brotherhood" looks now ...
      
      Well-known Russian war correspondent Dmitry Steshin answered the questions of "Russian Spring" about the situation in Belarus with a pessimistic publication on his official page on the social network:
      “I will allow myself a seditious thought. Maybe something is wrong with our "Russian world", since the most iconic pieces and historical fragments are so easily split off from it?
      Maybe there is no "Russian world" in Russia?
      Completely: https://3mv.ru/154372-mozhet-s-russkim-mirom-chto-to-ne-to-mnenie.html
  2. Zhan 10 September 2020 07: 38
    
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    Whenever they will be ashamed
    No one will ever be. A friend in need is a friend indeed. This is when they feel bad, they shout -Russia help! And when we need it, everyone's tail is drawn in.
    
    Because they know very well that if Russia gets involved in a fight, then the instigator will surely be beaten, and we do not pay attention to our wounds and abrasions, we were taught that.
    1. Ascold1901 10 September 2020 08: 05
      
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      True, when Russia for the last time got involved in a fight for the Slavs (Serbs in 1914), it ended badly. For us. Of course we got out, not for the first time, but at what price!
  3. Trapp1st 10 September 2020 10: 32
    
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    This is when they feel bad, they shout -Russia help!
    We handed them over with giblets at 99, although we could not, so it's not surprising
    when it is necessary for us, all the tail is drawn in.
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  Yes, this Foreign Ministry talker, who considers herself the smartest, really offended the Serbs - that's why women should be very far from public affairs - because they think a little differently and a little differently from what a man thinks ... but most importantly, to convince a woman that she thinks wrong is almost impossible!
  
  And I understand the Serbs - they are surrounded by enemies and they have to turn around, besides, politicians there are not angels either and are also, most likely, sold to the Anglo-Saxons, as elsewhere!
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    but this foreign ministry talker in a miniskirt can beautifully push her legs apart when she falls.
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      but this foreign ministry talker in a miniskirt can beautifully push her legs apart when she falls.
      
      Right in front of you, it fell and spread! I laugh homerically! Expert!
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    And I understand the Serbs - they are surrounded by enemies and they have to turn around, besides, politicians there are not angels either and are also, most likely, sold to the Anglo-Saxons, as elsewhere!
    
    So Vucic only returned from the states, where he was accepted in the rank of an aboriginal from the reservation
    and M. Zakharova, correctly noted this.
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      In the relations of countries, friendly countries, there are things that are unacceptable to make public, and even in a similar tone! And even more so to speak out about the head of this state being just the head of the press service!
    2. unhappy 10 September 2020 07: 45
      
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      The photo shows an extremely clear position of humiliation, and acceptance of humiliation, what can we talk about?
    3. jovanni 10 September 2020 07: 49
      
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      So Vucic only returned from the states, where he was accepted in the rank of an aboriginal from the reservation
      
      Yes, it's just that Donald is afraid of the coronavirus. You never know, maybe this Serb is contagious, coughs here - thinks Uncle Donnie.
      I went to the polyclinic just now for a prophylactic examination, so the doctor also took me at the same distance ...
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      Can anyone imagine Putin in this chair?
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        Can anyone imagine Putin in this chair?
        
        I personally can imagine Putin in the chair where Trump is sitting, and Trump sitting on the chair where Vucic is sitting.
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  Well, and the politicians ... They are leaving - coming. Whenever they will be ashamed of their weakness.
  
  They have no shame and no conscience, they have a "golden calf" in the form of a checkbook in the American Bank in the place where shame and conscience are.
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Hto tama 10 September 2020 06: 24
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Well, so the "allies" began to merge, their mother At first, India was afraid of a pandemic, and now the brothers climbed into the bushes, after Vucic, as a naughty schoolboy, was summoned by the headmaster Trump to his office
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Vucic was blown away after he was put at a reception at the White House in front of Trump, as a naughty student, in front of the headmaster. It is a shame to look at such humiliation. Zakharova gave a correct assessment of this, but in Serbia they were "offended."
So, Serbia's refusal to exercise due to the coronavirus is noodles to the "Slav brothers".
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  Zakharova completely screwed up in this story, for which she has already apologized to the Serbs and told the classic excuse "I was misunderstood."
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    Zakharova screwed up to the fullest in this story
    
    Zakharova said correctly, what she said, each of us wanted to say, but could not, but she said. Not everyone can decide on this. But as a diplomat, she apologized. But what has been said cannot be returned, and everyone now knows "who is who." I personally approve of her words.
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      You personally, as an ordinary person, have the right to any application. All the more so that it will interest, as you understand, your loved ones, well, we are here on the forum, it is unlikely that the leadership of the Serbs will find out about this, you must agree.
      But Zakharova is not any person, an official person, and before making a public statement, she must think many times about the consequences of the statement.
      The fact that she offended the Serbs, although, if according to the mind, the hit should have been on Trump and the one who is responsible for Trump's protocol, and not on the Serbs.
      But Zakharova turned this against the Serbs, and not against Trump, which was deeply offensive to the Serbs, and it is quite possible that the Serbs' refusal to exercise is just a consequence of her statement.
      And the Serbs, as a result, instead of being offended by Trump, for which they had quite good reason, were offended by Zakharova and Russia, and it is not known where else it will come back to haunt and how.
      So Zakharova, with one thoughtless statement, crossed out the years of Russian work with Serbia, which cost time and money. And the fact that she rushed to apologize when it came to what she had done is not a sparrow, especially in international affairs.
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        The fact that she offended the Serbs, although, if according to the mind, the hit should have been on Trump and the one who is responsible for Trump's protocol, and not on the Serbs.
        
        I agree with you here. But when Vucic sat down on this chair, he had to think about how he would look in the eyes of his people and the world community. And once you sat down, be patient.
        
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        Who is Vucic and who is Trump?
        Vucic should not be guided by personal emotions, although he was probably unpleasant to sit there, like a schoolboy in front of the school principal at the teachers' council, but he is responsible for the country, which is not in the best position now.
        And Trump is known for his sudden reactions.
        Well, if Vucic would have thwarted the talks just because of this chair, it is not known how Trump would react, and what the consequences for Serbia were.
        And so it would be clear to the Serbs what and how, if Zakharova had not butted.
        Every week there is an article on the site about how it would be possible for Russia to act with a quiet force, to gain points in its favor in different countries.
        In Serbia, after all, they did so - they threw help, support and other things - obviously they worked to increase the authority of Russia in Serbia.
        But here she cut everything off with one statement, the Serbs were very indignant, a lot of statements on this score.
        And this was in a situation where it was possible to both add the authority of Russia and remove it from the States, there was simply a win-win option - and one statement turned everything upside down.
        
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        Serbs were outraged very much, a lot of statements on this score.
        
        You need to be indignant not with Zakharova's behavior, but with the behavior of your president.
        Once you sat down on the "chair", it means you accepted Trump's game and moved away from Moscow's game. What else could Zakharova make to sit down to dance in front of Vucic?
        There is no need to blame the sick head on the healthy one, Vucic made his choice, and the rejection of joint exercises shows in whose direction the choice was made. And then, wait and see.
        
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        In politics, results are more important than emotions.
        There was a win-win situation for Russia, but Zakharova managed to turn it around.
        
        tihonmarine 10 September 2020 11: 34
        
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        There was a win-win situation for Russia, but Zakharova managed to turn it around.
        
        I doubt even strongly that it is a "win-win". They come to Washington to win only one side, and the second takes the rank of a vassal.
        
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        The situation with Trump, who did a stupid meeting with a Serb, and substituted himself on primitive snobbery. But thanks to Zakharova, the Serbs were offended not by Trump, but by Russia.
        
        tihonmarine 10 September 2020 14: 18
        
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        Serbs were offended not by Trump, but by Russia.
        
        And they decided to join NATO and the EU.
        
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        Where decisions are made by consensus and a friendly country of Russia would be very useful.
        However, until today Serbia was not going to join NATO.
        And then we'll see
        
        Xnumx vis 10 September 2020 19: 53
        
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        In politics, results are more important than emotions.
        There was a win-win situation for Russia, but Zakharova managed to turn it around.
        
        Quite right. The lady trying to be smart is not very smart ... She is stupid and it is more than obvious!

viktor. 10 September 2020 06: 40

There is no Brotherhood, there is $$$$$$$$$ and Its Masters!

1536 10 September 2020 06: 50

It is not the position of the bombed Serbs that worries me, but the fact that some, excuse me, "leaders" who are not clear where and how they are leading, are setting military exercises at such a time, and even on the territory of Belarus. That is, either there is no analytical, including intelligence, information of a political nature about various countries and states of the world, or such decisions can be taken at random by Lazarus, just to accept something and justify his "leading" existence.
And I never trusted the Serbs. You can understand them. They are in the center of Europe, occupied, fascist, hungry, raped. The Serbs understand that this "zombie Europe" will tear their country to pieces at any moment, and Russia will not help them, will not save them. So they survive. And laughing at them is simply sinful. The choice is small: either the prospect of being instantly eaten by cannibals, or hiding in the bushes, pretending to be "ours".

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Teachings, my dear people, of this level are planned for a couple of years before, and approved, for a year ... For this, money is allocated, railway and air are planned ... with appropriate planning of the work of the railway, etc. Other resources are laid ... And sometimes it is not possible to cancel them.

rocket757 10 September 2020 06: 53

desire to maintain the real neutrality of the Serbian state.

Well, who else is ready to argue that there are BROTHERS in the gamerope ???
If they are somewhere, then they have long gone underground !!! hid from everyone .... finally or not, who can say ???

tihonmarine 10 September 2020 09: 52
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If they are somewhere, then they have long gone underground !!! hid from everyone .... finally or not, who can say ???

While the situation is not in favor of Russia, they hid for a long time. The situation will change, they will creep out into the light of day.
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  Maybe they will come out ... then it will make no difference. There are many of them ... when they are in joy, they are near, as soon as sorrows were planted on US, so immediately the brothers left off.

7,62h54 10 September 2020 07: 17

Now you can go back to Zakharova's post about landing on a chair.

tihonmarine 10 September 2020 09: 54
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Now you can go back to Zakharova's post about landing on a chair.

Trump needs to be given his due, he can humiliate both his own and others.

bald 10 September 2020 07: 18

Discarding their reasons for refusal and chants from the EU, digging deeper, for Russia in this, there are more advantages than disadvantages. Do the states understand this, but they are more profitable from the participation of the Serbs in the exercises - there is at least some kind of motivation for their actions by the Armed Forces in the EU, although they do not care. Are we feeding Serbia? And why, if such a relationship, Europe is already mired in US shit.

Livonetc 10 September 2020 07: 35

"The official position of the Serbian leadership is as follows: we refuse to participate in the joint exercises" Slavic Brotherhood 2020 "because of the pandemic and the desire to maintain the real neutrality of the Serbian state."
Neutrality will not only prevent Serbia from returning Kosovo, but it can also lead to the complete loss of the remnants of sovereignty.

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Neutrality will not only prevent Serbia from returning Kosovo, but it can also lead to the complete loss of the remnants of sovereignty.
NATO's military intervention against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in the period from March 24 to June 10, 1999, and the bombing of Belgrade by US aircraft, showed who is the boss, and now Serbia must play the game that was imposed on it.
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  Then Serbia had no choice.
  Russia then still stood on one knee and laced her boots for a long time.
  Today the choice is already there.
  Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, DPRK, Belarus, unrecognized republics, the EAEU organization, SCO.
  Further, the alternative to the Anglo-Saxon world will be even more serious
  In principle, it is already quite possible humanly to exist without being completely absorbed by the Anglo-Saxon world.

Lara Croft 10 September 2020 07: 37

According to Vulin, Serbia will not conduct military exercises “with any foreign country or structure, be it the CSTO, Russia, the United States, China or the European Union.

Apparently Zakharova knew about this much earlier ...

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Or her attack on the Serbs was the very last decisive straw that led to the Serbs' refusal to exercise
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  If a “drop” was needed to refuse a long-planned exercise, then nafur such a “participant” was needed there ?! "Slavic brother", who in a possible war will hesitate because of the scales, full of doubts will something drop or not? With him shoulder to shoulder with a serious enemy to fight ???
  
  The moment of cowardly indecision is measured in ssykundas.
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    Serbia promised to participate in some kind of possible war? I have never heard of this, give a link, it will be interesting to read.
    What kind of war?
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      Serbia promised to participate in some kind of possible war? I have never heard of this, give a link, it will be interesting to read.
      
      Where did she come from ... only after the 1999 bombings did she remember us ...
      At the head of the Government is an LGBT woman, the prime minister is afraid of losing money and not joining the EU ...
      ... Serbs are a strange people ... they lost Kosovo and Montenegro, they handed over their president to the international tribunal with their own hands ... whatever they did, but they still won't be taken ... whoever fights for them will be ...
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      Regular exercises of military units at training ranges with firing and maneuvers - are they preparing for song and dance festivals? Give a link to such teachings? It will be interesting to read. Did you not participate in such maneuvers or is there no possibility, for a sofa without wheels?
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  Or her attack on the Serbs was the very last decisive straw that led to the Serbs' refusal to exercise
  
  Yes, yes ... tell us better, when did the "orphans" begin to "endure" from us? What was the first "drop" of the TS?
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    The last decisive straw does not mean that the previous ones were from the same place.
    However, she is the most painful and memorable
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      The last decisive straw does not mean that the previous ones were from the same place.
      However, she is the most painful and memorable
      
      It is good that now it has manifested itself "the last straw", otherwise how would they call for help, but they immediately have "the last straw", if it drips, let them be treated, Russia has never been offended by illnesses ... on the contrary, in Russia they have always treated the poor well...
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        I'm afraid you just don't understand the seriousness of Zakharova's attack
        But the country's leadership clearly understands
        ... Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov apologized to Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic for the post of Foreign Ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova, where she illustrated Vucic's meeting with US President Donald Trump at the White House with a frame from Basic Instinct.
        
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        There could be reasons for this, Mutko also works, there is a system for assessing suitability, personal loyalty in which is higher than professionalism.
        But the very fact of the president's personal apology for the words of the ministry's spokesman says a lot.
        
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        But the very fact of the president's personal apology for the words of the ministry's spokesman says a lot.
        
        Che got to the bottom of the woman, she seemed to apologize ...
        
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        Not only she, but Lavrov has already apologized, and Putin has also apologized to the Serbs.
        
        And what do you want from her, in the 90s they already poured ashes on their heads and repented of everything, even of what they were not guilty ...
        
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        This is a picture of a photomontage, and this is a violation of all conceivable rules in international relations.
        
        Which ones, you can refer in more detail to the norms of international law?

moreman78 10 September 2020 08: 46

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Brothers appear there only when NAKHALYAV needs to get something - military equipment, etc.! Relatively recently, they delivered a batch of BRDM-ok. With such brothers - no enemies!

pereselenec 10 September 2020 09: 37

"Slavic Brotherhood 2020"

Besides us and Belarusians, is there any other Slav in the "brotherhood" at least stayed?

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"Slavic Brotherhood 2020"

Since 1914, the United States and the West have done everything to destroy this brotherhood, and they succeeded.
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    Better not tell.
    
    And all who are shown on a green background will also run over to another owner.
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  "Slavic Brotherhood 2020"
  
  Since 1914, the United States and the West have done everything to destroy this brotherhood, and they succeeded.
  
  The Balkan wars at the beginning of the last century were also organized by the United States ....? There, everyone dashingly and cheerfully bludgeoned and betrayed each other ...
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"Slavic Brotherhood 2020"
Besides us and Belarusians, is there any other Slav in the "brotherhood" at least stayed?

Refresh the data Montenegro and Macedonia (the new name of North Macedonia) has been in NATO for a long time, apparently you don't read periodicals ...

Free wind 10 September 2020 20: 05

all ceremonies are calculated and signed by the minute, everything is agreed. The president was not sitting on a chock. Trump was sitting in his office, in his chair, everything was fine. And zakharova better keep her mouth shut, more than once she has already opened it anywhere.