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"Quite suitable for a museum": Poland appreciated Leopard tanks donated by the Bundeswehr

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The Polish industry has lost the competence in tank building, which the country inherited from Soviet times. All projects related to the creation of a new MBT turned out to be unviable.


Loss of competence


As noted by Romuald Sheremetyev, a former high-ranking military man, including acting. Minister of Defense, a similar situation arises with regard to the modernization of the tanks Leopard, which is "going sluggishly." In his words, this is due to the fact that specialists who monitored the quality of military products have lost their positions, while the work of enterprises can hardly be called effective.

At the same time, Poland inherited the defense industry from Poland, which had significant competencies in the production of tanks developed in the USSR. However, they were lost in the modern period, since "they were not transformed in accordance with the needs of our defense capability." After 30 years, it was not possible to develop and adopt a single tank, except for the conversion of the Soviet T-72 into the PT91 Twardy. All other projects "sunk into oblivion": MBT Goryl (1991), Anders (2010), PL-01 Concept (2013), a constantly evolving project of the defunct Wilk tank.


"Leopards" for museums


Against the backdrop of their own impotence, the German Leopard 2A4 tanks appeared in the Polish army.

Buying tanks, even used ones, but of a more modern generation, seemed attractive

- Sheremetyev points to the opinion of the military on this matter.

When in the early 2000s the first contract with the FRG was signed, providing for the acquisition of Leopards, Sheremetyev insisted on the need to jointly develop a new tank. However, the Germans ignored the terms of the deal offered to them. Now, since April 2020, Germany, together with France, has begun to develop a new MBT.

There are many indications that Germany will be the leader of the future European tank program.

- Sheremetyev believes, pointing out that Poland has remained "overboard" of a technological breakthrough.

The Polish army has about 900 tanks, which puts it in the ranks of the armored powers among the European NATO countries. Except that hundreds of un-modernized tanks, including the recently refurbished Leopard, donated by the Bundeswehr in the last two decades [...] are quite suitable for an open-air museum

- assessed the combat potential of the country's tank fleet by the former acting minister of defense.

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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 10 September 2020 06: 50
    13
    This is ce la vie ... the "shopkeeper" gets castoffs not even of the cardinal, but of his servants! By yourself, by yourself ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 10 September 2020 06: 56
      16
      The Germans did not tolerate the Poles, so they cannot endure - I think that inside the tanks they did not really tidy up, leaving dirty cowards from the previous crew and empty beer cans ... laughing Having clearly indicated to the Poles who they are and what place they have in the Western world!

      By the way, this will happen to the Belarusians too, if they fall under the Anglo-Saxons - there will be no industry, there will be no agriculture ..., only one competence will remain - "wilderness" of strawberry pickers on European plantations, like Ukrainians! laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 September 2020 06: 57
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        By the way, the Belarusians will have this too if they fall under the Anglo-Saxons.

        It already depends not on themselves ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 September 2020 06: 58
          +5
          And do they not come out on their own to play in the square?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 September 2020 07: 48
            +5
            Themselves, but the reasons for all this "circus" gave rise to one particular face !!! They just played along to him ...
            Nothing new, nothing unusual .... RAKE old and jumped on them with all ... foolishness!
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 September 2020 10: 34
        -5

        "there will be no industry, there will be no agriculture .." ////
        ----
        Poland has an excellent modern industry. Hundreds of factories and factories for mechanical engineering, electrical appliances, electronics. Everything is brand new, built in the 21st century. Integrated with the industry of Germany, Holland. The Polish economy is considered exemplary in Eastern Europe, according to the EU.
        Belarusians look at their successes
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 September 2020 10: 36
          +6
          Well, how can we do without God's chosen lawyers ... laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 September 2020 10: 40
            -2
            There are comparative statistics on the development of European countries. Poland has some of the best indicators.
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 September 2020 10: 45
              +9
              Where did you see that I wrote that Poland does not live well? But this place has already been taken, but, for example, the Balts are not so lucky with their own industry - and Belarusians need to look not at Poland, but at Ukraine! Which once produced aircraft carriers and spaceships, and today collects strawberries in that very Poland, releasing only a Russophobic stench! hi
              By the way, Poles also mainly work in Germany and England, for some reason ...
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 September 2020 10: 58
                11 th
                There are no "occupied places".
                Those who are persistent, hardworking and want to live well will always make their way.
                For example, Ireland. Was in poverty under the yoke of the British Empire. I was freed. And she made a dash. The Irish are now richer than the British.
                The same goes for Czechs, Hungarians and Poles. They had energy, but in the Soviet empire they were cramped, like the Irish in the British.
                All have evolved and do not miss the past.
                And, for example, Bulgaria or Moldova did not have such energy. The development is very slow.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 10 September 2020 11: 05
                  +4
                  Everything that you have written has a place to be, but not for the Ukrainian, not for the Belarusians, the hardworking people, nor for the modern political and economic realities, this does not apply ... The West does not arrange color revolutions for the prosperity of these peoples! Not for leaps towards a brighter future ... Prosperity of Ukraine and Belarus is possible only in one case - as part of Russia or a confederation, friendship and cooperation, whatever, but there is no third!
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 10 September 2020 11: 17
                    -4
                    Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Slovaks are genetically one people. Not the slightest difference.
                    The difference in political and economic development is only for historical reasons.
                    Another example: Serbs, Croats, Bosnians - one and the same Slavic tribe, one people. But it broke up into three different religions and three states extremely hostile to each other.
                    ---
                    Generally:
                    What some could do earlier, others can later. It is also time for the Russians to make an economic breakthrough, and not try to revive the past by military force.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 10 September 2020 11: 24
                      +5
                      Russia is not developing as fast as we would like, but it does not stand still, thank God, despite the fact that the Anglo-Saxons and their litter are very disturbing and dirty to it! And Belarusians and Ukrainians, we are Russians and we feel our centuries-old responsibility for them - so our tanks on the streets of Minsk and Kiev, this is solely because of brotherly love and help to the lost ... Here, for example, Israel shamelessly bombs Syria and Palestine, preventing them from developing and something does not really change about this ...
                  2. white.eagle
                    white.eagle 10 September 2020 11: 27
                    -8
                    Russia is a system that leads to the enrichment of the elite and the impoverishment of the population. So Belarusians, especially Ukrainians, are still part of Russia, because they have a similar system. Thus, there is no chance of improving the standard of living. In Poland it is a little better, because there is less such system pathology. Although it is not known what will happen next, because now in Poland there is an attempt to build a state oligarchy along the lines of the East.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 10 September 2020 15: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: white.eagle
                      Russia is a system that leads to the enrichment of the elite and the impoverishment of the population.

                      Super! In the 90s, when the population was really robbed, not a single "muzzle" stuttered about it, but in the 2000s the same muzzly who sang about it in the 90s. how we will live well, began to croak about the "impoverishment of the population."
                      I have a question - we have been destitute, destitute and destitute for 20 years! Either we are all already homeless in rags, or we are all Rockefellers before ... I do NOT observe either one or the other ...
                      1. Megatron
                        Megatron 14 September 2020 02: 01
                        0
                        Do you think that the cooperative lake has not been robbing the country for 20 years?
                    2. teron
                      teron 10 September 2020 15: 19
                      +1
                      "Russia is a system that leads to the enrichment of the elite and the impoverishment of the population."

                      The same system is found in most states of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Again, most of them never had any "Russia".
                      1. Old Skeptic
                        Old Skeptic 10 September 2020 18: 13
                        +3
                        A type in the gold billion differently?
                        The elite cannot eat, does it think about the people?
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 10 September 2020 15: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  There are no "occupied places".
                  Those who are persistent, hardworking and want to live well will always make their way.

                  It will break, of course it will, if only there will be where to break through! Capitalism has hit the bar of its growth - all world markets are captured, there is nowhere to grow, Africa is so poor that it does not count. Moreover - look at Ukraine - conditions were specially created for them so that they could not get anywhere - they imposed onerous quotas, drove them into debt, now they deliberately destroy the Ukrainian industry - they have destroyed shipbuilding, destroy Antonov, destroy space, etc. They even destroyed their agricultural land, turning it into rapeseed and sunflower plantations! Ukraine is already importing potatoes!
                  Therefore, you can achieve a lot with work if you have a) reliable allies who will cover the rear, b) enslaving treaties and heavy debts do not put pressure on you ...
                3. Old Skeptic
                  Old Skeptic 10 September 2020 18: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The same goes for Czechs, Hungarians and Poles.

                  In the 90s, I still saw goods from these countries (industrial), but for twenty years I did not come across anything.
                  How is that?
                  How are the Gdansk shipyards doing there? And what is the article about, do not remind?
                  1. white.eagle
                    white.eagle 11 September 2020 10: 56
                    +2
                    Today, industrial goods from Poland are on the Russian market in much larger quantities than in the 1990s. The difference is that instead of Made in Poland, there is Made in EU. Polish companies now often have names in English and use the EU logo because this increases sales abroad. Moreover, in every product Made in Germany, half of the components are from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
              2. Vladimir Rostovsky
                Vladimir Rostovsky 10 September 2020 17: 23
                +1
                one should not look at Poland, but at Ukraine! Which once produced aircraft carriers and spaceships
                Not Ukraine, but the Ukrainian SSR and this is a very big difference
                1. Finches
                  Finches 10 September 2020 17: 58
                  +2
                  No, in cooperation with Russia, Ukraine has already produced ...
              3. Alber alber
                Alber alber 10 September 2020 20: 50
                +3
                Immediately the question is how the fire will live after the end of subsidies from the EU, and this is next year and tens of lard euros
        2. Sailor
          Sailor 10 September 2020 20: 19
          0
          Here you are unfortunately right, only the attitude towards them will be the same as towards the citizens of Ukraine, i.e. "slaves".
        3. Alber alber
          Alber alber 10 September 2020 20: 48
          0
          What's with Polish shipyards, they say Walesa is very worried
          1. white.eagle
            white.eagle 11 September 2020 11: 27
            -1
            Most of the world's shipyards could not withstand the competition from China and South Korea. In the West, there are only shipyards whose main products are ships for the fleet. After all, the West will not buy warships from China. Poland does not need a large fleet, because in the Baltic Sea everything can be done with the help of aircraft and missiles. Building a small number of ships for your own fleet, as the construction of a corvette has shown for the Polish fleet, is unprofitable. On the other hand, a lot of ships are produced in Poland. But mostly these are vessels with a length of no more than 100 meters. These are mainly tugboats and luxury yachts. In addition, Polish shipyards produce offshore platforms and wind turbines. It's just more profit than building ships. Communism, when the state financed inefficient production, is long over.
            1. Alber alber
              Alber alber 12 September 2020 23: 49
              0
              Hmmm, but Korea and dates will argue with you and the countries are smaller than the above and spank everything that does not hit half the world, and very quickly
        4. Megatron
          Megatron 14 September 2020 02: 00
          0
          Yeah, then Poland, except for immigrant plumbers, does not produce anything for the EU.
          And she is about to need to give loans for all the years and hello second greece.
      3. Chief Engineer
        Chief Engineer 10 September 2020 21: 12
        0
        The Belarusians will be fine, they will not lie under anyone, they will remain as Brothers!
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 10 September 2020 19: 21
      0
      I wonder what the psheki wanted, almost for nothing? A7?))))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 September 2020 20: 01
        +2
        The capitalist, then the imperialist world developed until there was someone to rob!
        NOW, as it was rightly pointed out above, we hit the upper bar of our development! There is no one especially to rob, not a small stagnation is coming !!! And where this will lead is not at all clear.
        Yes, the Western world does not need partners !!! He needs CONSUMERS! For there is nowhere to sell the goods ...
        Now you can see what and where the restrictions, quotas and other delights of capitalist development!
        There are too MANY POOR in the world, and of them there are NO consumers!
        So, you look and it will come to the cry - Rob, loot!
  2. figwam
    figwam 10 September 2020 06: 50
    +4
    transferred by the Bundeswehr in the last two decades [...] are quite suitable for an open-air museum

    And I want a Polish freebie from sea to sea, there is only leftovers.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 10 September 2020 06: 50
    +6
    "Quite suitable for a museum"
    Their armor is not strong and their tanks are not fast ... recourse
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 September 2020 07: 57
      +4
      cars will not rush into a furious campaign lol ours to you! hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 10 September 2020 08: 34
        +3
        And people are full of their cowardice! negative And to you from us hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 10 September 2020 08: 37
          +2
          and there is no one to send them into battle and lead them too lol
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 10 September 2020 08: 43
            +2
            They do not destroy with fire, they do not sparkle with the brilliance of steel,
            Cars do not go on an affectionate hike,
            The Nazi Fuehrer did not send them into battle,
            And Guderian will not lead them into battle!

            Basta karapuziki! Dancing is over! fool
            1. novel66
              novel66 10 September 2020 09: 02
              +1
              dig into the ground and arrange fixed firing points
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 10 September 2020 09: 08
                +3
                Quote: novel xnumx
                fixed firing points

                Brew up the tower, the gun and the hatches!
                1. novel66
                  novel66 10 September 2020 11: 53
                  +2
                  and put the Poles there
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 10 September 2020 12: 03
                    +2
                    The crew must be in place!
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 10 September 2020 12: 17
                      +1
                      sure! our threat has not yet been canceled
                      1. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 10 September 2020 12: 23
                        0
                        Let them sit there and wait for our threat!
                      2. novel66
                        novel66 10 September 2020 12: 31
                        +1
                        and we will go from the other side!
                      3. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 10 September 2020 13: 26
                        0
                        Normal heroes always go around!
                      4. Old Skeptic
                        Old Skeptic 10 September 2020 18: 21
                        +1
                        From the rear! You are from the bottom. (don't think bad, I'm talking about something else)
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 10 September 2020 06: 54
    +4
    Yes, the Poles sat down in one place in a puddle. But they had good practices and experience in terms of modernizing Soviet-Russian technology. But apparently the command was given to cut it all down at the root. Now let them ride the museum tanks
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 September 2020 06: 59
    +4
    The "museum" lepard is a serious enemy in the hands of an experienced crew, and it is also necessary to get into it, and preferably first.! soldier
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 September 2020 07: 09
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The "museum" lepard is a serious enemy in the hands of an experienced crew, and it is also necessary to get into it, and preferably first.!

      Is there still an experienced crew?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 10 September 2020 07: 16
        +2
        Unfortunately, the descendants of the most "successful crew T 34 RUDUI (RED)" hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 September 2020 07: 36
          +3
          Good film

          smile
          1. naGua
            naGua 10 September 2020 10: 47
            0
            As a child, the strongman Gustlik was a favorite hero. And also, as he, Franciszek Pechka in "Osvobozhdeniye" with Valery Nosik tasted "fuel"! wink
            1. Avior
              Avior 10 September 2020 11: 11
              0
              Yes, this is a superb scene :)))
              From the cistern to drink, not everyone succeeds.
            2. Avior
              Avior 10 September 2020 11: 15
              0

              Eyes scattered from perspective :)
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 10 September 2020 08: 09
        +2
        Perhaps Janek, Guslik and Grigory. Yes, also Sharik. hi
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 10 September 2020 07: 11
    +3
    Poland was left "overboard" of the technological breakthrough.
    As if she was supposed to be there, aboard this technological breakthrough.
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 September 2020 08: 08
      0
      not on board, but at the head
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 11 September 2020 08: 37
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        not on board, but at the head

        This is only in the wet dreams of the Poles at night. I'm talking about the plans of those who are actually "on board". And they do not need such a passenger as Poland on this board and were not planned. From the words "absolutely" and "never".
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  • unhappy
    unhappy 10 September 2020 07: 38
    +2
    - assessed the combat potential of the country's tank fleet by the former acting minister of defense.

    Expert winked
    The garage mate is also an expert when he drinks. Who is this io? Gamna piece ...
    A stupid person can find fault with the Leopard, the Germans have nothing to be ashamed of.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 10 September 2020 07: 56
    +1
    Not in Poland, but a Pole, Leopard is a good tank.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 10 September 2020 07: 58
    +2
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    "Quite suitable for a museum"
    Their armor is not strong and their tanks are not fast ... recourse

    Yes, in general, not eagles and Polish tankers.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 September 2020 10: 29
    -2
    They can turn to Turkey for help. The Turks completed a program to strengthen the reservation and protection of the Leopard based on the analysis of combat losses in 2017 in Syria.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 14 September 2020 02: 04
      0
      A blind guide to a blind person. Yes, and vryat right now they will allow, Turkey is a black sheep in the flock.
    2. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 15 September 2020 11: 12
      0
      the weight of the tank increased from 55 to 62 tons without upgrading the chassis.
  • naGua
    naGua 10 September 2020 10: 44
    0
    That is why the assessment of the former acting minister of defense does not arouse sympathy at all ... From the word "well, absolutely!"
  • iouris
    iouris 10 September 2020 14: 42
    0
    Poles do not just look at a gift horse.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 10 September 2020 19: 35
      0
      Is he definitely a gift?
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 10 September 2020 19: 35
    0
    Romuald won't lie!))
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 September 2020 21: 39
    0
    With Korea, you have to go for a breakthrough. Buy K2.