Poland offers Germany an alternative to Nord Stream 2

Poland is offering Germany an alternative to the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could be the Baltic Pipe under construction. This was stated by the press secretary of the Polish government Piotr Müller.

Speaking on Polish television, Müller, answering a question about the possibility of replacing the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with the Baltic Pipe, noted that such an option is not ruled out and that it is necessary to "consider different options when it comes to energy security" in Europe.

Poland has emphasized from the very beginning that European solidarity in this area must be unequivocal. Therefore, if such needs from the German side are declared, then Poland is open to use the infrastructure that it itself is building for its energy security.

- he said.

According to Mueller, the construction of Nord Stream 2 is contrary to European security and causes concern.

Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the decision on Nord Stream 2 should not be German, but pan-European. At the same time, Berlin acknowledged that the halt in the construction of the gas pipeline would hurt the German reputation, as well as lead to multibillion-dollar lawsuits from companies that invested in the construction.

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[iouris]

The time to throw pipes is over. Time to collect pipes. Will there be victims?

[Temples]

As if the time has come to scatter the corpses.

[Thrall]

The case is a pipe. It remains to find out whose and whose

[Roman13579]

"Pipe of Russia" ..))

[FenH]

Quote: Thrall

The case is a pipe. It remains to find out whose and whose

The Poles, as it were, do not have their own gas for sale, and the Norwegians will not be able to fill the pipe with what to fill the pipe, and it is troublesome to supply liquefied gas, one thing is to buy gas for their needs, another to displace Russian gas. fill the tanap, Azerbaijan did not take it out alone, so we will see

[Mishanya 74]

Ukrainian probably

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

Ukrainian probably

Ukraine itself lacks gas, even if the legume crop grows by 200 percent

[Mishanya 74]

Ukrainian in the sense of Russian through Ukraine and Poland to Germany

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

Ukrainian in the sense of Russian through Ukraine and Poland to Germany

SP-2, like a bulldog's day, chops off its tails, and the land will be fed with liquefied-regasified from Poland

[Mishanya 74]

And chopped a lot?

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

And chopped a lot?

What do you think? Or are all attempts to stop SP-2 so, like they have such a hobby?

[Mishanya 74]

I don't think it at all ..
I just look and see that as there was transit through Ukraine, this is how it is ..
But SP-2 is not ..

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

I don't think it at all ..
I just look and see that as there was transit through Ukraine, this is how it is ..
But SP-2 is not ..

As long as supplies to Serbia depend on transit through Ukraine, transit will continue, the other question is how much. And SP-2 will be completed, everything will have its time

[Mishanya 74]

)) invented it yourself?))

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

)) invented it yourself?))

And it's not destiny to look at the pipeline map, so as not to ask unintelligent questions, for one thing about long-term contracts, ask about the year of their end

[Mishanya 74]

Not destiny .. Why should I?
I just remember the joyful throwing of caps here that * Ukrainian transit is all *
And I see that not everything ..
The rest is an attempt to put a good face on a bad game.

[FenH]

Quote: Mishanya74

Not destiny .. Why should I?
I just remember the joyful throwing of caps here that * Ukrainian transit is all *
And I see that not everything ..
The rest is an attempt to put a good face on a bad game.

And I see that I am conducting a conversation with an uneducated person who is not able to understand what is being explained to him, citing some stupid arguments in response to the explanations.
http://geoenergetics.ru/2016/11/16/gazotransportnaya-sistema-ukrainy-i-evropa-posle-2019-goda/
This is for self-development and goodbye

[Mishanya 74]

It is not particularly interesting for me to talk to a not very smart person who does not understand that the result is important and not an explanation of why * they wanted the best but it turned out as always * ..
be healthy

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mishanya74

And chopped a lot?

When completed, there will be many. Direct delivery Russia-Germany, bypassing any countries such as Ukraine and Poland, with their whims.
Europe understands that Poland, like Ukraine, is under the control of mattresses, and therefore will be used by them as a lever to put pressure on Europe, ensuring the US LNG monopoly on the European gas market.

[Mishanya 74]

And when will it be completed?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mishanya74

And when will it be completed?

What a keen interest you have, you just burn with impatience! Mikhail Malakhov will be completed, they will certainly be completed. True, it must be admitted that the construction time has shifted towards an increase, but in principle, given the fact that a 5-year transit contract was signed with Ukraine, today we are no longer talking about a specific date for putting the gas pipeline into operation, as it was before, such as until 31.12.2019. .100 Now there is nowhere to rush. With a five-year time reserve, lazily laying 3,5 meters of pipe per day, the unfinished section will be laid in 1 years, and if not lazily, 2 km each. per day (as it was before) then for a quarter, a maximum of six months. It is clear that the construction will not start right tomorrow and there will be many obstacles from the mattresses and the Euro politicians lying under them, but they will be bypassed in the same way as they were bypassed under Reagan. So your joy that SP-XNUMX stalled is temporary and for now you can amuse your Russophobia. You apparently have no other reason for joy.

[Rubi0]

Don't you think 5 years of lost profit? and in general, who knows what will happen in 5 years, maybe Ukraine and Poland will already be driving hydrogen through the pipes themselves, then the joint venture will sink into the water, of course, I'm exaggerating, but in 5 years a lot of things can happen, one thing will remain unchanged lost profit and time ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Rubi0

5 years of lost profit, don't you think?

Why don't I count? This is as clear as day. The only point is that the gas pipeline is a long-term "toy", which after commissioning will pump gas for decades, which will help to recoup losses. Considering that the launch of the SP-2 will allow Europe to save its neck from the American stranglehold on monopolizing the European gas market and jump off the American gas hook, receiving a cube of cheap pipeline gas, in the long term, the Europeans will receive savings that significantly exceed the lost profit as for Russia. then, I repeat, it gets the opportunity to supply gas to the European market not for five years, but for decades, which will also cover lost profits at the construction stage.

[Real Pilot]

Let's take a look at geography.
Poles are lobbying for their Baltic pipe, which should cross SP-2, and at the same time SP-1.

That is, if the SP-2 is not completed, then its pipes, which are already lying, are just garbage in the sea, it does not affect the laying of their gas pipeline, you can not get permission. This simplifies matters for them. SP-1 is, there will be.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Did the poles fall from the oak? They offer the Germans Norwegian gas flowing through them and more! For the sake of solidarity, they suggest that the calculating Germans inflict damage on themselves!
No, La Rochefoucauld was right a hundred times when he said: "There are no more stupid people than those who consider themselves smarter than everyone else." I do not think that the Germans are more stupid than the cunning and arrogant Poles! Moreover, the Poles are lying: "Baltic Pipe" is simply not able to solve the problem! Most likely, the Americans ordered the Poles to confuse the Germans.

[figwam]

Speaking on Polish TV, Müller

We have our own Miller on gas.

[antivirus]

will hurt the German reputation, and also lead to multibillion-dollar lawsuits from companies that invested in the construction.


many times - SP2 is a small thing in relations between the Russian Federation-Germany and the EU, there are many other controversial issues.
as an indicator of "wiping your feet" - quite suitable (against the walls of the Kremlin?)
I'm not talking about the gasification of villages - but about the integration of new gas corridors into the country's households - as they wrote from Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-Torzhok - and then everywhere into the old one? how will the tariffs from these corridors (new, expensive) change? are they coordinated with the location of new production facilities? if the old, socialist ones die
HERE AND SEE "EFFECTIVE". HOW WE PLANED THE POWER SUPPLY FOR 20-30 YEARS AHEAD - UNTIL 2060 !!!
and apparently it is necessary to break off some of the projects of the Germans in our (RF and allied) countries, for self-respect.

[Civil]

"Recall that Warsaw plans to launch the Baltic Pipe with a capacity of up to 8 billion cubic meters of gas per year from Norway by 2022. The Russian Nord Stream 2 is almost completed by now, but the completion of the project is threatened by US sanctions. A number of politicians in Germany spoke in favor of stopping construction Russian gas pipeline in connection with the possible poisoning of Alexei Navalny. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that a decision on Nord Stream 2 in this regard has not yet been made. "

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Civil

A number of politicians in Germany spoke in favor of stopping the construction of the Russian gas pipeline in connection with the possible poisoning of Alexei Navalny. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that a decision on Nord Stream 2 in this regard has not yet been made. "

Will figure it out. For some reason, Europe and the United States handle the Saudis despite the fact that they dismember opposition journalists in their embassies and take them out with suitcases, and then they couldn't even poison some under-opposition Navalny. Billions of dollars have already been invested in this pipe, and several million dollars have already been invested in Navalny and a pack of blizzards. I do not think that German business is so stupid that "Purgen" will overpower multibillion-dollar investments.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

need to "consider different options

To bring more liquefied gas from overseas?

[FenH]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

Baltic Pipes

Only liquefied remains, norway with gas is in trouble

[aszzz888]

At the same time, Berlin acknowledged that the halt in the construction of the gas pipeline would hurt the German reputation, as well as lead to multibillion-dollar lawsuits from companies that invested in the construction.

A decrepit merkel is spinning like a snake between the merikatos and the need to build a gas pipeline. If only her health did not let her down)), she will start sausage again, and they will send her to retirement due to ill health.

[prior]

Enough for Moscow to warm the Germans with its gas.
Roll them out sickly sanctions for an unrealized project so that there is no money left for American liquefied gas.
Let them remember what it was like for them near Moscow in December 41.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Poland, history does not teach anything. All politics is built on the principle: Let it be worse for everyone, including us ...

[mark2]

Money spent and lost, as I understand, no one counts? That's what the life-giving machine does for money!

[Alien From]

Polish European solidarity ends in Washington.

[Grits]

Quote: Alien From

Polish European solidarity ends in Washington.

It also begins there

[KVU-NSVD]

Firstly, the Poles are pulling this pipe for themselves and the Germans will not get much there, and secondly, I hardly believe in Polish-German (as well as in European solidarity) ... Poles, they will surely bug the Germans with this pipe ...

[Roman13579]

It will be possible to buy grinders from kaklov .. They have been idle since the age of 14 ..))

[Nastia makarova]

they themselves need them))) they have already cut all their factories

[Roman13579]

Yes, not .. they bought the grinders specially for the pipe according to our recommendations .. after that we gave them a new contract, and paid the fine ..
Well, the plus about which you write is that what is left of the factories that they have already drunk, now they do not need either ..))

[Nastia makarova]

their pipe is barely holding on and the contract is still 4 years old

[Roman13579]

their pipe is barely holding

I remember they will freeze ..

contract 4 years left

Well, until recently there were 4 months left .. and now it's already 4 years ..
And the Pipe of Russia had a month left until the end of construction ... and now it has been rusting for a year ..

[Nastia makarova]

weren't they frozen? population due to high gas tariffs massively refuse
but about SP2, yes, sticks are constantly inserted into the wheels, otherwise they would have started long ago

[Brturin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

they themselves need them)))

so they are getting ready to start cutting their own ...
The company "Operator GTS of Ukraine" is preparing for the partial decommissioning of its gas transmission system (GTS) in connection with the expected reduction in the transit of Russian natural gas. ..According to preliminary calculations, in Ukraine, about 2 thousand km of 33 thousand km of main gas pipelines and about half of the infrastructure facilities that provide gas pumping, including compressor stations and gas pumping units, may be decommissioned. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9034245
a matter of time when they will put it up for privatization ... "As for medium and large privatization, everything is ready, everything will be carried out after COVID-19. The first object - the Dnipro hotel - is ready", - Zelensky - Centrenergo will also be prepared to privatization. The State Property Fund is engaged in this, they have a clear plan "+ they are preparing partial privatization of Energoatom, Turboatom, Zorya-Mashproekt ... and then to the GTS

[Russ]

At the same time, Berlin acknowledged that the halt in the construction of the gas pipeline would hurt the German reputation, as well as lead to multibillion-dollar lawsuits from companies that invested in the construction.

Roll out a counter offer to Poland ... let that, for its part, pay all claims, also with interest ... I think it will immediately stick the tongue in a certain place ...

[Trapp1st]

Poland offers Germany an alternative to Nord Stream 2

For a long time already, the Poles have dreamed of selling American LNG in Europe. Only here in Germany they are not eager to become dependent on the American puppet.

[Rockerman]

Hmm, I can't believe at all in the "European solidarity" of the Poles with the Germans

[Ham]

Well, if only the Deutsches suddenly lost their minds and the Poles entrust their energy security ...
but in general, I have not heard that in Poland they would find gas reserves in an amount sufficient to create an "alternative to sp-2" ...

[askort154]

The Poles-Balts, for the sake of the United States, rushed into hand-to-hand combat against the old Europeans, without masks, forgetting about COVID. The Lithuanians offer Norway to make Klaipeda a gas-oil "hub", and the Poles are even cooler - to build their own gas pipeline.
Only they can save Europe from Russia's energy dependence.

[Brturin]

Quote: askort154

Only they can save Europe from Russia's energy dependence.

Before that, they already promised to provide gas to the Balts and Finns
"This is a kind of regional project. After gas enters the territory of Poland, the next gas pipeline, which has already begun to be built, is GIPL, which will connect Poland and Lithuania. Further, through the Soviet system, the northern dimension of gas has the opportunity to reach Estonia, where another one new trunk gas pipeline - already built and launched at the end of last year, Balticconnector - from Finland through the Gulf of Finland to Estonia, "explained Marcinkevich.
https://lt.sputniknews.ru/economy/20200521/12192811/Ekspert-rasskazal-o-khitroy-skheme-Polshi-po-zakupke-v-Litve-gaza-iz-RF.html
promised to overwhelm Ukraine, now the Germans .... at the same time, you need to provide your loved ones with gas in order to fulfill the "green deal" and get away from coal and, for all that, give up Gazprom's ...

[Grits]

Quote: askort154

Lithuanians offer Norway to make Klaipeda a gas and oil "hub",

And the Lithuanians, before freezing this foolishness, glanced at the map of Europe? If they looked, then maybe they remembered the basics of geometry (I hope they taught it back in the USSR) by drawing a triangle of such routes and comparing the lengths of the sides of the triangle.
I can imagine a German standing on the shores of the Baltic Sea watching a gas carrier from Norway sailing past him. Which sailed to Klaipeda, then to return back to Germany the same way. And then this German will be offered to repay this empty trip back and forth.

[Adam Khomich]

IMHO the existence of the EU apple cesspool is the deepest mistake of JV Stalin, who did not listen to the opinion of W. Churchill and did not wipe the "hyena of Europe" off the face of the planet! Five sections are not enough for them.

[1536]

We must ourselves abandon this failed project and, if possible, impose a penalty on the same Germans for the lost economic benefit. Although, apparently, such points were not envisaged when it was decided to build this gas pipeline. How about: friendship is a landscape, so it seems ?. But at least we will save our face and show the Germans who is the owner of the gas. The Americans will still have to buy gas from us, because the US will not be able to meet the needs of Europe without additional volumes of gas.
And now let the Germans walk under the Poles. They will love it.

[Mishanya 74]

Oh, the owner of the gas appeared in the comments ..
Kirdyk Europe ..

[businessv]

Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the decision on Nord Stream 2 should not be German, but pan-European.

Something the chancellor began to rotate like a weather vane! Are we not completing the pipeline by the end of the year? Where did Academician Chersky go? Where is the pipe barge? Why is Müller so silent? Sorry, Miller. Or Muller? What is Gazprom doing today in this direction?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: businessv

Are we not completing the pipeline by the end of the year?

You don't know. The shareholders are completing the construction.

Quote: businessv

Where did Academician Chersky go?

On the spot.

Quote: businessv

Where is the pipe barge?

In the same place. And here's another:

The ship-hotel Sans Vitesse was brought to the German port of Sassnitz on the shores of the Baltic Sea. It was moored to the already standing there the world's largest residential barge, Rossini, in which the specialists working on the Akademik Chersky pipelayer live. Last week the tugboat Rade towed the Sans Vitesse residential barge from the port of Emden to Sassnitz. The hotel ship is notable for the fact that it is painted like a zebra. Another residential barge, Rossini, is already located in Sassnitz, which is adjacent to the port of Mukran, which is the logistics base of Nord Stream 2. She is the largest in the world: she has 110 cabins on board and a 135-meter vessel can accommodate 440 people. The German edition of Ostsee-Zeitung wrote that up to 140 specialists from Great Britain, Italy, Ukraine and Russia have been living on board since June. Every day, tourist buses take them to the neighboring port of Mukran - to the pipelayer "Akademik Chersky". The work is proceeding slowly, but almost everything is ready for loading pipes aboard the Akademik Chersky. Judging by photos from Instagram and data from navigation portals, ships are constantly approaching the pipelayer and loading operations are underway.
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/09/07/v-zasnic-priveli-zebru-otel-dlya-stroiteley-severnogo-potoka-2?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

Quote: businessv

What is Gazprom doing today in this direction?

Everything you need. And what does not personally notify every inhabitant ... And it is not necessary - all infa is available.

[businessv]

Quote: Paranoid50

Everything you need. And what does not personally notify every inhabitant ... And it is not necessary - all infa is available.

Thank you, colleague, calmed down! There was hope for you, or people like you! I was inspired by the article, which I reflected in my post. Thanks again!

[Livonetc]

Let them buy Polish gas obtained through Ukraine or through the United States.
First, they will restore its gas transmission system at their own expense and ensure control.
Further, let Germany buy Polish gas received through Ukraine from Russia.
Or they buy even freer Polish liquefied gas from the United States, purchased in Russia.
The rich have their own quirks.
The main movement.
The client's desire is the law.

[Svetlana]

Whose gas do they want to fill it with?

[Mishanya 74]

What difference does it make to you?

[tihonmarine]

According to Mueller, the construction of Nord Stream 2 is contrary to European security and causes concern.

Here I listen, all the time yelling "European security", but someone clearly explained what it is, theirs is this "security". Or is it just a quote from Mao's quotation book, for the Red Guards.

[businessv]

Quote: tihonmarine

well, but somebody clearly explained what it is, theirs is this "safety".

Oh, everything is simple here! For example, take the dollar and the minke whales that use this currency to put pressure on everyone and everything! So, the Europeans are worried that it is possible to do the same with gas - to blackmail old Europe. Remember in the Diamond Hand "don't buy the lottery, turn off the gas!"

[uav80]

And Poland is aware that Denmark has suspended gas production for the reconstruction of infrastructure at the largest Taira field and this is 90% of production in the country, due to the fact that the bottom sank in the production areas and the horizon simply disappeared ...
Now they themselves have to buy gas from Norway and Russia ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

And here the Union shit effective ... ... Not .... eeee not effective, but brainless

[taas]

The Germans would have built their thick pipe to Norway long ago if it was profitable. But they didn't. Not profitable.
Poland, I think, understands that Germany will not buy expensive Norwegian gas, and even through intermediaries. The Poles' proposal is rhetorical and pursues other goals, some kind of intrigue, politicking.

It seems that Merkel's statement about consultations with the EU countries on the SP-2 over Navalny is a kind of game of solidarity within the EU. The Germans know that the mainstream Europeans will support the SP-2.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Well, Polonia needs to earn some money without EU subsidies. it didn't work with RB, we decided to hold the Germans for the udder

[Gennady Fomkin]

If I am not mistaken, the capacity of SP-2 is 55 billion cubic meters. m, Baltic pipka - 5 billion cubic meters. m. It seems to me that it falls short of alternatives

[TermNachTer]

Psheki are ready to jump out of their pants to stop the construction of "SP - 2". But is it necessary for others? Psheki are on subsidies from Eurokoryt, but they are not interested in how it is filled)))

[AllBiBek]

The hyena completely collapsed from the oak.
He offers Germany to cut a brand new gas pipeline with a maximum annual throughput of 55 billion cubic meters and pay 10 yards of dollars from the German pocket for this - and in return provides a pipeline going through it with an annual throughput of 5 (!) Billion cubic meters. 11 times less.
A hyena is such a hyena ...

[fa2998]

Quote: Nyrobsky

When completed, there will be many. Direct delivery Russia-Germany,

Russia has entered into a transit agreement with Ukraine, where the minimum volumes are indicated. Will you pay fines?

[alexmach]

Russia has entered into a transit agreement with Ukraine, where the minimum volumes are indicated. Will you pay fines?

For 5 years, 9 months of which have already passed. With a subsequent decrease in the required volumes starting from the second year ...

[tourist]

Something is being frozen at Rosssey ... either a drop in oil prices, or something else they are crushing powerfully

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: Nyrobsky

When completed, there will be many. Direct delivery Russia-Germany,

Russia has entered into a transit agreement with Ukraine, where the minimum volumes are indicated. Will you pay fines?

You have to pay for gas! Even in Ukraine. It's a pity that the freebie ends, but it's not a pity.

[Charik]

at the end of 19, Russia and Ukraine entered into an agreement for transit through Ukraine, so that Gazprom got lost with SP2

[alexmach]

Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the decision on Nord Stream 2 should not be German, but pan-European

A clear sign of the impending surrender of Germany in this matter.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: alexmach

Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the decision on Nord Stream 2 should not be German, but pan-European

A clear sign of the impending surrender of Germany in this matter.

Tc ... s. They are afraid to talk about it.
But this is a reality to be reckoned with. Five GDR-ovsky lands became part of the Federal Republic of Germany, which now consists of 16 lands. Now details: When uniting, the East Germans were amazed in their rights. Construction of SP-2 is not just a business, but a business primarily in the interests of the Eastern territories , the territories of the former GDR. And if Merkel and the German government continue to muddy the waters on this issue, then the question is that it will be more profitable for East Germany to wave a pen to West Germany.
This is reality. People never forgive when they have been deprived of their future. The bomb clock is ticking.

[Charik]

For Gazprom, where they cannot help but understand that it was not possible to complete the pipeline, all the fuss around Akademik Chersky is a bureaucratic demonstration of feverish and completely fruitless activities that must be presented to Putin to justify the failure