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"Soft annexation instead of seizure": the United States revealed Putin's plans for Belarus

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"Soft annexation instead of seizure": the United States revealed Putin's plans for Belarus

Against the backdrop of the Belarusian political crisis, Putin is making every effort to "soft annex" the neighboring state instead of a forceful takeover. This statement is made by the authors of an article published in the American edition of Foreign Affairs.


Russia is striving to annex the territory of neighboring Belarus to itself, the authors of the article argue. However, Putin, who has already been "burned" by forceful intervention in Ukraine and Georgia, is using a different tactic with regard to Belarus. Instead of sending "little green men" to Minsk, he applies a "soft annexation" plan to the republic, focusing on the economic component.

In Putin's plans, the newspaper writes, the seizure of Belarus should take place gradually, so as not to cause panic and discontent. The annexation will begin with economic integration and the introduction of a single currency, then political integration through a common foreign and defense policy and ending with the creation of a full-fledged union state, which would mean the actual entry of Belarus into Russia.

Currently, Moscow, amid the political crisis in Belarus, is sending there planes with political strategists, as well as undercover intelligence agents, cyber operations specialists, media consultants, propagandists and security advisers. The task of these "gray men" is to prepare the ground for soft annexation.

Moscow will seek to keep Lukashenka in power; Putin needs this to achieve his goal of joining the republic to Russia.

Advisers sent by the FSB advise the Belarusian leader to demobilize the protest movement by combining mass repression with specific threats against opposition leaders - for example, threats to take their children away from them and send them to orphanages. Following the proven Moscow scenario of inciting civil conflict in other countries, Russian political strategists are attempting to expose divisions within the protest movement

- the authors say.

Lukashenko is supported by 10% of Belarusians, but Russia, headed by Putin, is behind him, so all decisions made in Minsk will benefit Russia. Putin and Lukashenko agreed to carry out reforms in Belarus, but according to the scenario of Moscow.

Therefore, the authors emphasize, Western democracies should not rely on Lukashenka, but communicate only with the "real representatives" of the republic from the opposition. Moreover, Western democracies should provide active support for the national civil awakening of Belarus, strengthening it and providing all kinds of support, accepting its leaders and their demands.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 9 September 2020 10: 33 New
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    "Soft annexation instead of seizure": the United States revealed Putin's plans for Belarus

    Have you opened it? Observe silently yes

    Russia also has a "backyard", and a very large one, within the ex-USSR, and you should not poke your nose here ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 September 2020 10: 34 New
      +1
      Moreover, Western democracies should provide active support for the national civil awakening of Belarus, strengthening it and providing all kinds of support, accepting its leaders and their demands.

      So you accepted her "leader" - in Lithuania! yes
      1. Temples
        Temples 9 September 2020 10: 48 New
        +4
        However, Putin, already "burned" by forceful intervention in Ukraine and Georgia


        Putin did not burn himself.
        He didn't do it.

        Maybe in vain.

        It was necessary to intervene.
        At least return the entire Black Sea coast.
        That the sea would become the Russian Sea again.
        Return to the agreements on the results of the First World War - Russian Constantinople and the straits.

        So that the Anglo-Saxons say thank you to Putin for non-interference.
        He is kind to you.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 9 September 2020 10: 59 New
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          Lukashenka is supported by 10% of Belarusians

          Even if it were true, 90% of the population of Belarus supports Russia, and Russia supports Lukashenka.
          10 + 90
          That's it, the puzzle was formed: 100% for the Old Man! smile
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 9 September 2020 11: 13 New
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            Quote: Thrall
            the population of Belarus supports Russia, and Russia supports Lukashenko.

            Lukashenka crap, crap and will crap Russia. Did he apologize for the incident with the "Thirty-three Bogatyrs"? By the way, they gave 32, but where else did they get it?

            Russia supports Belarus and the Belarusian people. Lukashenko turned to Putin for help out of despair. He realized that the West was preparing for him the fate of Hussein or Gaddafi. But he does not give up his hope to sit on two chairs ... (all his vectors are taken together in one place at once).

            In the near future (a year, two) a new Constitution will be adopted in Belarus. On it will be selected about the Russian multi-party parliament and a new really about the Russian president of Belarus. The integration of the union state will move to a new level.
            1. Terrible
              Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 11: 33 New
              -6
              Quote: Boris55
              Russia supports Lukashenko

              Not the Belarusian people. We would like to support the Belarusian people, we would not support them.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 9 September 2020 11: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: TerribleGMO
                Not the Belarusian people. We would like to support the Belarusian people, we would not support them.

                You don't need to attribute to me what I didn't write:

                Lukashenko, for all his minuses, is the only legitimate government in Belarus. He was chosen by the majority of the Belarusian people, although not with such an announced result, but still the majority. We respect the choice of the Belarusian people. We will do everything to ensure that the Constitutional reform is completed as quickly as possible in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Belarus.
                1. Terrible
                  Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 12: 38 New
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                  Quote: Boris55
                  You don't need to attribute to me what I didn't write:

                  Russia officially recognized Lukashenka and saw no violations during the elections, or in the events after. This means that the message changed above is absolutely true. Here they perceive the Kremlin's support for Lukashenko extremely negatively.
                  So any statements about support of the Belarusian people are simply a lie. Supporting your own momentary desires through a pensioner maddened by the authorities - yes. But not the people.

                  Quote: Boris55
                  He was chosen by the majority of the Belarusian people,

                  We all saw how this "majority" chose him. Beautiful numbers can cloud the eyes of foreign guests who have all the knowledge about the Republic of Belarus is "neat and tidy." But not local.
                  He did not even have half of his supporters even before the events of the 9th, and now even more so.

                  Quote: Boris55
                  We will do everything to ensure that the Constitutional reform is completed as quickly as possible in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Belarus.

                  We have already seen your constitutional reforms by your own example with zeroing. Thanks, we'll figure it out ourselves.

                  And write the truth, *** We will do everything to ensure that the Constitutional reform passes as quickly as possible in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Russia *.
                  So at least it will be honest.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 9 September 2020 15: 55 New
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                    "Soft annexation instead of seizure": the United States revealed Putin's plans for Belarus

                    Not "soft annexation", but COLLECTION OF LANDS of Russians and Russians themselves against the enemy pack of invaders and colonizers from the West!
                    1. My doctor
                      My doctor 9 September 2020 17: 24 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Not "soft annexation", but COLLECTION OF LANDS of Russians and Russians themselves against the enemy pack of invaders and colonizers from the West!

                      Very pretentious. Russia as long as there is and collects native Russian land. Maybe this is correct?
                    2. Terrible
                      Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 17: 24 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Not "soft annexation", but a COLLECTION OF LANDS of Russians and Russians themselves

                      Already on the example of the abandoned Donbass, they showed "gathering. And it is not necessary to ask the" gathered "their desire? And if they do not want to gather, then loving to collect them with tanks?
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 9 September 2020 17: 52 New
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                        Quote: TerribleGMO
                        And to ask the "collected" their desire is not supposed? And if they do not want to gather, then loving to collect them with tanks?

                        Who was reborn, became a comprador-traitor and a renegade, who is close and dear to the West, than the history of their fathers and ancestors and their people, let them go to wash the floors in Western Europe! People like them have no right to their native land! Let them live there abroad, where foreign masters welcome them for payment or servitude.

                        "The Russians Are Coming" sings Zhanna Bichevskaya.
                      2. Romka
                        Romka 9 September 2020 20: 58 New
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                        And someone thinks differently
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 9 September 2020 22: 18 New
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                        Quote: Romka
                        And someone thinks differently

                        Goebbels - Soros! The so-called "useful go otts" for American multinational companies and financial speculator Soros!
                    3. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 9 September 2020 23: 02 New
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                      Quote: Tatiana
                      People like them have no right to their native land!

                      If you are a woman, then tell me why they have different rights. I'll help you. She has the right to tell lies.

                      And they have no right to speak TRUTH!

                      Does this remind you of anything? They already wanted to take this right away from them.
                      Please, no propaganda and flooding.
                    4. tolya19601
                      tolya19601 10 September 2020 02: 06 New
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                      Only then you are lying ...
                    5. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 10 September 2020 16: 31 New
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                      Quote: tolya19601
                      There is only YOU you're lying ...

                      On the You , chatESL with their junkies. And I will introduce you to how they handle FUTURE country.

              2. tolya19601
                tolya19601 10 September 2020 01: 15 New
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                Who did they collect with the tanks? to whom the West is dear and dear, than the history of their fathers and ancestors and their people, let them go to wash floors in Western Europe!
              3. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 10 September 2020 17: 02 New
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                Quote: tolya19601
                let them go to wash the floors in western Europe!


                And not too many people willing?
                The floors to wash is your level, and THEY want to live in HIS home country, but not under the control of a sick dictator.
          2. Romka
            Romka 9 September 2020 20: 54 New
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            The main thing is not to overstrain from a heavy burden. wink
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 September 2020 22: 05 New
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              Both sides will now torn! This is war1
              Poland again, like in WWII, showed itself to be the hyena of Europe. Something else there Poland now stinks about history, that Poland did not start WWII.
          3. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 00: 06 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            "Soft annexation instead of seizure": the United States revealed Putin's plans for Belarus

            Not "soft annexation", but COLLECTION OF LANDS of Russians and Russians themselves against the enemy pack of invaders and colonizers from the West!

            Hello again, the youth of Belarus for the most part are against this, and like the youth in the Russian Federation. Therefore, in 10-15 years it will come back to haunt, both within the Russian Federation and in Belarus. The Russian Federation missed its chance in 2014-2015, when it was possible to annex not only Crimea, but also Novorossia, Belarus, even Kazakhstan to return the land, but the Russian government did not need it. Now young people who have been brought up on the ideals of the West and see that life in the Russian Federation is not getting better, or rather only getting worse, they have no incentive to support the power of the Russian Federation, and the excitement with Crimea has been sleeping for a long time.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 10 September 2020 00: 46 New
              +1
              Hello Nikita!
              Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
              Now young people who are brought up on the ideals of the West and see that life in the Russian Federation is not getting better, or rather only getting worse, they have no incentive to support the power of the Russian Federation

              All clear! Devotion to the country among modern youth is determined by satiety.
              When Jews left the USSR for Israel, then the Israeli leadership at first believed in lies to the repatriates that Jews were allegedly really oppressed in the USSR. And then the leadership realized that the Soviet Jews, figuratively speaking, were exchanging their Soviet homeland for sausage and manna from heaven. And when it turned out that they had to work in Israel too, they rushed further - to the USA.
              This Western consumer education always negates the love of the motherland and patriotism.

              Nikita! What kind of power do you propose in Russia? And in economic, political and ideological terms, based on what? I understand that you will not have an answer.
            2. military_cat
              military_cat 10 September 2020 07: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              All clear! Devotion to the country among modern youth is determined by satiety.

              The loyalty of the people to the country is determined by the loyalty of the country to the people. I think this is fair. When the void in the stomach begins to fill with patriotism, it means that the standard razvodilovo has again gone to free work.
            3. Tatyana
              Tatyana 10 September 2020 13: 28 New
              -1
              Do you want to say that everything is like in pirate times - the loyalty of the team to the captain was determined by the size of the robbery? (Joke.)
              Quote: military_cat
              When the void in the stomach begins to fill with patriotism, it means that the standard razvodilovo has again gone to free work.
              And that it never depends on external forces in your country and in any other country? Do you deny it? Then the country should be under an IRON cap and be completely isolated from the West.
              Or will you argue that the policy of colonialism in the West has died in the Old World?
              Or do you think that natural resources on the planet and in every country are inexhaustible and that in a consumer society the struggle of countries and peoples for their possession does not exist?
              Patriotism is tied to the concept of survival property. Even animals have a concept of their own or someone else's property for their flock, pride, etc.
          4. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 22: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            Hello Nikita!
            Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
            Now young people who are brought up on the ideals of the West and see that life in the Russian Federation is not getting better, or rather only getting worse, they have no incentive to support the power of the Russian Federation

            All clear! Devotion to the country among modern youth is determined by satiety.
            When Jews left the USSR for Israel, then the Israeli leadership at first believed in lies to the repatriates that Jews were allegedly really oppressed in the USSR. And then the leadership realized that the Soviet Jews, figuratively speaking, were exchanging their Soviet homeland for sausage and manna from heaven. And when it turned out that they had to work in Israel too, they rushed further - to the USA.
            This Western consumer education always negates the love of the motherland and patriotism.

            Nikita! What kind of power do you propose in Russia? And in economic, political and ideological terms, based on what? I understand that you will not have an answer.

            Now the world is different and you do not understand. Now the most important thing for people of the 21st century is comfort. Neither ideology nor patriotism, but comfort. Therefore, young people want to go to the west, because it is more comfortable to live there than in the Russian Federation. Ask me, how did it happen? There are many factors involved.
            First, the state did not deal with children. Especially in the Russian Federation, even if we take the same USSR, where life was not sugar, then children were taught from childhood that they live in a great country, everything will be fine with them, and they are moving in the right direction. Therefore, even if life was bad, they did not like it, they dreamed about the standard of living of Western countries, then the ideology-propaganda of the USSR influenced them and they believed to the last in the USSR, even when the government of the USSR no longer believed in communism. After the collapse of the USSR, everything disappeared, the children were not taught anything, they were not told that the Russian Federation was moving in the right direction, nothing else, there were no special ideological sections. And as they say, if you do not take care of children, your enemies will take care of children. And so it happened, my generation grew up on Western values, they were everywhere from TV to books. Therefore, they grew up completely Western (for the most part). The desire to live for oneself and not for others.
            Secondly, the parents did not take care of the children, many began to call my generation as "not whipped" we are children who were born and lived in most comfort. We had food and leisure, and nobody worked on us, we were free to do what we wanted. Since we have lived in comfort since childhood, we still want to. Unlike your generation, which craved for stress, there was less food (variety), fear of war, and a lot of physical work. About food - just look at how much the average height has stepped. Our generation is already 180 years old.
            Thirdly, let us turn to research, what makes us different from our parents: “They have learned to understand what's what. They have a higher cognitive activity, and the modern school has learned to understand them much better. Especially, it seems to me, the role of additional education is great here. - we have it one of the best in the world ", - commented on the study Sergomanov." researchers. They view their current age as a moratorium on making "adult" decisions for which they are not ready, and they say that they are now experiencing the best years of their lives, "Andreeva said." the rest you can read here: https://ria.ru/40/20200715.html
            And so on, you can develop this topic for a long time, but I briefly told you.
            Ideology is to live long, comfortable and healthier, and most importantly, free. If we rely on purely ideological, then rather liberalism, because only with it these rules can exist, the majority of young people share this position, but also nationalism is in 2nd place, but this nationalism is rather moderate. A return to RI, restriction of migration, conservatism, and so on, that is, this part of the youth rejects the globalization that the West is trying to do. Communism is far behind, as for many young people it is associated with totalitarianism, repression, blood. Another question is why they think so. And you ask me, where is socialism then? If communism is bad. For many, socialism = liberalism. Many confuse concepts, many do not understand things, but if you rely on their wishlist - then liberalism. Most likely in the near future there will be conservatism-liberalism. Or right-wing liberalism. It depends a lot on the West, because now their situation there pushes many young people from liberalism into nationalism, this can be seen from the public on VK for 8-10 million participants, where jokes about "blacks" are an insult in their direction, humiliation, RF is simply colossal (as I thought, 70 percent). Therefore, the future ideology in the Russian Federation follows from the West, how it will settle down and whether it will survive at all. But in general, young people now do not like Russia. And no one explains to them, or rather they do not explain in our language what to love the Russian Federation for.
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 9 September 2020 17: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: TerribleGMO
      We have already seen your constitutional reforms by your own example with zeroing. Thanks, we'll figure it out ourselves.

      You probably still do not know that Lukashenka was the first to reset his term. You at least orient yourself in the modern history of the republic.
      1. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 17: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: MyVrach
        You probably still do not know that Lukashenka was the first to reset his term. You at least orient yourself in the modern history of the republic.

        And he didn’t zero. And completely canceled. And those who then blindly looked into the mouth of the populist without a second thought are to blame for all this outrage.

        The only problem is that many of them have long been dead, and their decisions will interfere with their lives for a long time.
    3. Farid Alekperov
      Farid Alekperov 9 September 2020 23: 07 New
      0
      Hats off, buddy, good luck to the Belarusian people, at least one tyrant will be less.
  2. Max otto
    Max otto 9 September 2020 13: 38 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    ... We will do our best to ensure that the Constitutional reform takes place as quickly as possible in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of Belarus.

    Vova? hi

    Well, according to the article. Belarus lost GDP when it was congratulated. Not yet finalized. It will continue to drown in November for Luka - it will lose 100%, not immediately, but by rail.
    Do not believe that Luke will change something in the constitution or the election law, he will not change anything, at most he will change some words to synonyms.
    Luka will stick a knife in his back anyway, not in a year, so in two. I've seen it a hundred times before.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 9 September 2020 15: 10 New
      +4
      Luka is an eccentric in the letter m, but those who are against him are stupidly our enemies. Moreover, controlled by the Ministry of Defense of Poland. In principle, we are not interested in what those who serve as cannon fodder for the Poles will think of us. These people have never been for us - there is no one to lose. request
      At least for the coming years, the western vector has closed for the multi-vector Luka. The zmagars came out against him, and he would have to crush them. If in the next couple of years we push for further integration and with amendments to the Constitution we block the way back for him, then the task is completed. Well, what are the rams writing on the placards, everyone doesn't care.
      By the way, you can make another offer to Luka. wink We have a lot to build in the Far East and in the Arctic. Offer him to take all these fighters as a labor force. I think the students who "we are in power here" will benefit from hard physical labor in the regions of the Far North. wassat
      1. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 17: 32 New
        -7
        Quote: g1v2
        but those who are against him are stupidly our enemies

        And now the tales of the "brothers" are over. Congratulations on how the Putin government and its loyal jingoistic patriots managed to make enemies in the person of those who were in favor of good-neighborly relations with the Russian Federation. But the fidgety cockroach is closer to you, not the people. Spits in the Russian Federation, and you are just happy.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 10 September 2020 00: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: TerribleGMO
          And now the tales of the "brothers" are over. Congratulations on how the Putin government and its loyal jingoistic patriots managed to make enemies in the person of those who were in favor of good-neighborly relations with the Russian Federation.

          What are you worried about in fact only about 3% of the population of Belarus who oppose Lukashenka?
          There is no talk at all about the ALL Belarusian people and cannot go! For the number of oppositionists at rallies in the country shrinking and never was at all what the opposition leaders proclaimed it! This they had, is and will be only one political vertual-fake LIE! Namely.

          BELARUSSIA - SEPTEMBER 7: RT Breaks Washington's Game and Takes the Minds of Belarusians from NEXTA 7 Sept. Feb 2020 Yuri Polyakov
        2. Max otto
          Max otto 10 September 2020 08: 52 New
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          Everything you need to know about Simonyan:

          After that, both Simonyan and RT are not even worth the megabytes that were spent on them. In simple terms, this is all called "chernukha".
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 11 September 2020 14: 18 New
        +2
        You are not a people to begin with, and you will definitely not be our friends. You are exactly the same maydauny as on dill, only under the clear leadership of the Polish Defense Ministry. We have already seen all this. First, "we are not against Russia, but against corruption", and then "Moskalyak on Gilyak". am And in comparison with you, Papakoli is certainly closer to us. As for brotherhood, go through the forest. We are not brothers, but just one people. Belarus and Russia are like the Moscow and Pinsk principalities. Personally, I believe that if Luca is ready, even because his Faberge was in the grip, to promote integration, then it makes sense to support him. And there will certainly be no integration with you. And rub about "good neighborly relations" to someone else. Loch is not a mammoth, Loch will not die out. hi
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 10 September 2020 08: 34 New
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      You are the same eccentric as Lukashenka. Well, or even a 16-year-old goldfinch. The Ministry of Defense of Poland did not contact me. I am already an enemy, it's funny, nafig you gave me a try.
      You, Russian patriots, are strongly fixated on yourself, you have a world conspiracy against you and hysteria everywhere, you have Poland and the State Department everywhere, even in elevators in high-rise buildings, Obama comes to piss.
      Your intelligence is below the plinth, on what legal basis are you going to issue "fighters" in the Far East and the Far North? Judging by your statements, I suppose such words as "criminal code", "constitution" are empty words for you at all? Luka was the first to violate the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus - this is the starting point, everything else is secondary.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 11 September 2020 14: 37 New
        +1
        You don't need to contact you. You are controlled by influencing emotions and basic reflexes, like Pavlov's dog. The fact that you do it for free also characterizes you as a clear "intellectual". Why pay those who are willing to serve as cannon fodder for free? If only they would ask for money - it would not be so ashamed of you. request
        Do you have a court decision that would testify that Luke violated the Constitution? This is generally the prerogative of the Constitutional Court. Where is his solution? Have you even tried to challenge the CEC decision? And if not, then why are these howls about laws? Papykoli has a CEC decision calling him president, but what about you? Telegram channel operated by the Polish Defense Ministry? And even more important is that the state apparatus and power ministries are behind him, and this is what will be much stronger. wink
        By the way, I am extremely calm about the laws. If the law gets in the way and there is a possibility, then it is quite possible to rewrite it. The sky will not fall from this. But you didn’t even try to follow the legal path, but you cry about the Constitution. In general, you are funny, fighters. And controlled like training dogs. hi
      2. Max otto
        Max otto 11 September 2020 21: 27 New
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        You are a funny man, by God. All those who follow the legal path then sit in Sizo. Applications for any recount or verification at the polling station are simply not accepted and that's it, do you think there weren't any? And after that 15 days to start. It is impossible even to recall a deputy from his constituency, this procedure will end at the CEC without any investigation. This is not Russia, brother, you can vilify Putin, then get a state award from him for his birthday, shake his hand, and then vilify without consequences (I'm talking about Basilashvili, if you don't know). Even Navalny, to his misfortune, moved freely around the country.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 12 September 2020 01: 45 New
        +2
        The fact that you actually have a social dictatorship does not negate the fact that you have an ordinary Maidan controlled from Poland. Luca won the elections not because he forged something there, but BECAUSE he did not admit ANY POSSIBLE COMPETITORS TO THE ELECTION. HE IN FACT WON THEM BEFORE THE VOTE. Well, he did it all the last elections. These are no different from the previous ones, when he also secured a victory for himself even before the vote, stupidly weeding out all real competitors. And note that the West then recognized exactly the same results. And no one questioned its legitimacy. Why? The answer is simple - because Luka did not support Russia in the Ukrainian crisis. Plus, the West was then dealing with Ukraine.
        Now we are busy with you. Luka thought it would be like the last time, and if he demonstratively quarrels with the Russian Federation before the elections, he will be recognized. But the Maidan had already been prepared for him. At first they began to lick him demonstratively. Pompeo didn't come for nothing. He was pushed towards greater independence and a quarrel with Russia. What for? So that Russia does not just intervene when he will be overthrown. We have not loved the collective farmer for a long time. Especially after he asked for the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia $ 1,5-2 billion. Medvedev then generally went crazy from such calls and froze that Putin is in charge of money. The scandal with private traders was just for the crisis in relations to reach its peak. request
        Inside the Republic of Belarus, for a start, they began to promote the message "Sasha 3 percent". Minsk is not the whole country, and in the absence of sane competitors, Luka certainly does not have 3 percent. But through the total domination of the internet, young people were taught that no one supported him. Then a whole heap of "proofs" was drawn up in advance that the elections were simply drawn. Here and in advance prepared photos of acts, and various forms and videos and "witnesses" and so on. Here is the pressure on the members of the election commissions and buying them up so that they jerk off their vest at the right time and yelled "I can not be silent." In general, the preparatory work was excellent. Luca was stupidly not ready for this. Lulled by Pompeo, he thought that after the scandal with 33 heroes, he would definitely be recognized. And here is such a bulk. Moreover, the level of Belarusian state political strategists is below the floor. They stupidly have no experience due to the lack of any political struggle in the Republic of Belarus. PM Western experts replayed them in the net. Again, the Neksta, as in its time, "Hromadske TV" was prepared in advance.
        Further, the classics are "onizhedeti" and sacred sacrifices. Video clips with "terrible atrocities" by the riot police, where the moments when the riot police beat someone and threw them out promptly were cut from the hour video. Exposing any actions of the security forces as horror-horror. If you looked with a cool head, you would understand that the "riot police brutality" for some reason did not lead to dozens of corpses and hundreds of injured, as happens in any suppression of riots. The same Yellow Vests with 11 corpses as an example. In other countries, there are even more corpses. And this is not police brutality, but just work. Your wrestlers have nothing to show except for one dead (and judging by the video, killed by a sniper) and several blue asses. Otherwise, they would definitely trumpet. The PMD's brutality is, to put it mildly, exaggerated. In general, like the former Vovan, I will give the Belarusian Ministry of Internal Affairs 4 with a minus. Well, here the Germans just taught them to work, plus there is no experience of something more competent. Neither Karaev nor his subordinates have enough experience. But the fact that the police did not flinch and did not get confused does them credit.
        Well, then the classics again. Women in white, staged photos and videos, highlighting slender-looking girls, etc. Plus a bulk on the diplomatic side, and so on.
        In general, the collective farmer was clearly not ready for the Maidan. And if not for the police and not that he came to his senses in time and rushed to Uncle Vova, then the Maidan could have been successful. But now our political strategists and media specialists are already working, plus the special services have joined, and this Maidan has already failed. However, this is your year 2004. This is the conquest of the beachhead. Next time will be 2014 - with blood and victims. Do you really need it? request
        You have been on the site for 7 years, so I decided to spend a little time on explanations. If after that you are still drawn to the Maidan and you are sure that after dozens of color revolutions in the world everything will be different for you, then I am not your doctor. The main thing. so that later, smearing blood and snot, did not groan like the Ukropskie residents "we were not standing on the Maidan for that". For that. It's just that reality has nothing to do with slogans on the placards. hi
      4. Max otto
        Max otto 12 September 2020 15: 34 New
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        ... you have an ordinary Maidan controlled from Poland ...

        At the expense of Poland, the fact that it pokes its nose everywhere does not give reason to believe that everything is directly controlled by it, Poland and Neksta because there was no alternative, even a completely amorphous resource here.by (by the way, read it, especially the comments, it is very changed, if before there 1/3 was anti-Russian, now there is almost none of this, which is strange, compare it with the Ukrainian censor - you will understand how Belarusians differ from Ukrainians and why the word "Maidan" does not apply to Belarus) was blocked for 3 days, the only working resource was onlainer.by, but this is essentially a prefabricated online store. Where was it to go? For Russian resources? And they were? People were looking for at least some site and found. Instead of Poland, there should be Russia, but Russia, represented by Putin, has betrayed Belarus. Do you understand that after support, talks about unification would already cause approval, and not a gag reflex?
        Quote: g1v2
        ... Luca won the election not because he faked something ...
        He just voiced Wishlist, well, or his sycophants wanted to please and overdid it, believe me, when you are a dictator for 26 years, then there is only one loyal club around you, smart, with imagination and initiative are no longer there.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... the West then recognized the same results ...
        He did not admit that there is no Belarusian delegation in PACE for this very reason.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... Pompeo didn't come for nothing ...
        Yes, Pompeo's Wishlist.

        Next, you list the Ukrainian templates, because of which you do not see the real picture. You have everything that is against-everything in Ukrainian and the Maidan. There are coincidences, because the psychology of people's actions is quite the same, which is why there is such a science as psychology, otherwise it would belong to the segment where astrology is now.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... as a former Vovan, I will give the Belarusian Ministry of Internal Affairs 4 with a minus.
        Have you noticed that there are almost no people with a conscience in power structures? Because there are really a lot of them, no one wants to be reduced. Because no one will hire them (this is not because of politics, this is because of the labor code, if you are interested, I can tell you separately, write a lot). That is why there are no investigations, there are exaggerated cases against the protesters. The police worked even for 4+, but the OMON, the Prosecutor's Office and the KGB for 1. The OMON - there are real inhuman thugs, they have the same training, you can shoot horror films, they really will close their mother in Sizo. This is not an exaggeration or a joke.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... Well, then the classics again. Women in white ...
        Well, this is a misfortune for Belarus, men are more careful because they have to feed their families, often at work, those who are not more careful are already sitting.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... But now our political strategists and media specialists are already working, plus the special services have joined ...
        It's really a shame for these. Clumsy. Grandmothers may believe this. Simonyan alone is worth it, the real bottom of journalism.
        Quote: g1v2
        ... this Maidan has already failed ...
        it hasn't started yet. And with so many law enforcement agencies it is not possible. The protest will fade away anyway by itself, the protesters are being broken, they are just watching the news of even foreign media and looking for the protesters by video, come to work and home, can you imagine how many cops there are, that they even have time for that?
        Quote: g1v2
        ... You have been on the site for 7 years, so I decided to spend a little time on explanations ...

        Thank. Our future is not positive. And yours, too, by the way. it awaits you in 24.
      5. g1v2
        g1v2 12 September 2020 16: 09 New
        +2
        During the first Maidan, they also tried not to highlight Russophobia. And just as you just said "we are not against Russia", we just got fed up and so on. And during the second Maidan, at first they tried not to demonstrate all this. This, like what is painted on the posters, is of no interest to anyone. There is always "we are for all good, against all bad." What is important is who is in charge, who plans and who finances. And what they rub in cannon fodder is technology. For fair elections or for saving whales - there is no difference. request
        Wishlist, not wanting, but Bogdan, for example, in a fresh interview with Gordon said that Pompeo was in fact in charge of the entire situation with 33 heroes from the American side. In addition, he is the head of all US foreign policy, so he clearly did not come to you to drink tea. request
        Kamrad. I am a former veteran, and in no video, I did not see any tin from the riot police. It's just a German school of work. If you are not aware, then it was German specialists who trained your riot police and KGB officers. Look at the overclocking footage in Germany - they are similar. Tin is corpses and crippled ones. When the brutally tortured "prisoners of conscience" come out on their feet and give interviews cheerfully - is that not suggestive? wink WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU - THIS IS A COMPANY FOR LOOKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF. This is how Avakov wrote his posts with the tags "cops are not people" and so on. It is difficult to swing calm Belarusians into action, and therefore you are given such a company. Again, I did not see anything terrible in the actions of the riot police. Not very competent from a tactical and strategic point of view, but not horror. And by the way, this propaganda goes just to provoke anger among the riot police. To provoke them to a real tin. Believe me, if the corpses come, then everything that was now for you will seem like a children's holiday, and the goal of the organizers is exactly the buildup to blood. request
        Women in white are a standard technique for color revolutions. In the same Cuba, they were used in many places. This is an old trick. And behind them are athletic youth in comfortable shoes, ready for a fight.
        You may be ashamed, but it was our technologists who turned the tide. It is stupidly visible. The company "Sasha will stay with us" alone is already worth all the work of your local specialists. Lukashenka's stupidly have no experience. And Margot built the most watched news channel on the world Internet, which is actually a big smart girl. And he knows his business. Although there are plenty of cockroaches in her head too.
        The fact that the cops have time to come to work for the wrestlers shows just that there are not so many wrestlers as it seems. You have just a little militia, and very little riot police. Calm country, sleepy. request
        Well, about the future, everything is simple. If the dad goes for integration, the future will be better. If not, then it will get worse. And not because the dad is some kind of bad there. Belarusian industry is part of a single complex. It is like a hand separated from the body. Her body can be replaced with a prosthesis, although it will not be healthier from this. But the hand cannot replace the body. Lukashenka's socialism can only live on the condition of external support. The same Babariko, in principle, said that when a plant receives 5 million from the budget, and earns 1, then this is a loss of 4 million. And such a scheme can work only as long as there is where to get these 4 million. request
        In fact, to begin with, it would be worth promoting the single currency. With your constant depreciation of bunnies, the population clearly does not need them. I do not know a single Belarusian who has savings in bunnies. If the dad is bent on this issue, then everyone will win. I hope that all the same it will be put down to integration. Well, if not, then sooner or later he will receive 14 years and there will be no one to blame. But you will definitely not get better from your 14 years old. hi
      6. Max otto
        Max otto 12 September 2020 17: 42 New
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        The future will not be better, your words confirm everything, you are now thinking about how you need what would be good, and not to ordinary people in Belarus. Sasha will not agree to any kind of integration, do not indulge yourself with illusions, and you yourself have lost the support of the masses. North Korea - this is the path he has taken, in fact, he has no other path. He hangs all sorts of noodles about the constitution there, but it's all just to chatter, calm down.
        I will repeat again - you are blinded by the events in Ukraine and think in those categories.
        Fighters are few, yes, because 60% of the population are like me. And I, by the way, one of the organizers of rallies in support of Luka, yes. How did this happen? And like this - they summon the city executive committee and say: do you need problems with the authorities and inspections (sanitary station, firemen, etc. their darkness is here)? I thought that I didn’t want to lose property to pay fines, but that’s not the main thing, those 70 employees of my office and their families are the main thing. They gave me a curator and a bus from some car park (for Luka, everything is free, I didn't pay for the bus, the city executive committee will never pay). Karoch for the curator, too, to go to Minsk and hang around there for you do not understand that it is not too much hunting and we have developed a special operation. We divided people into groups in advance, appointed elders, set a task. We arrive, the curator celebrates with us, disperses in the crowd, gathers first with the elders in groups in the agreed places, then to the bus and immediately leave. As a result, the operation was successful, by the time Sasha came out we were already halfway home. The second and third times I refused, but they did not insist (it seems they also support him as well), it seems that I was not the only one who turned out to be too smart. In general, we have managed to preserve the office and income for 70 families so far. This is how Sanya's support is. You see, I can't go to rallies with them and I won't lead, we'll be left without funds.
      7. g1v2
        g1v2 12 September 2020 19: 54 New
        +2
        Naturally, I think about making my people better. And only secondarily about friendly countries. For everyone else, I don't care from a high tower. Once again, you will become a part of our people - I will think of you as fellow citizens. In general, I am an imperialist and a militarist by nature, with all that it implies. request repeat
        Supporting the masses of the Ukrainian type is not worth a damn. The Bulgarians over there always treated us well, and fought against us. If Polish mats come to power, you will go to war, if that doesn't go anywhere. request I prefer something more real. Here the dad caved in and decided to carry his cargo through our ports, and not through the Baltic - already some kind of benefit. It is clear that he never wanted to sacrifice even a tiny bit of power, but now he is in contradiction with the West, and while the Western vector is inaccessible to him, he needs to put pressure on integration. If it still resists, then next time we will calmly watch how your country is collapsing under the pressure of the Maidan, how Ukraine collapsed. The western vector will definitely not bring you anything good. If you do not want an example of Ukraine - won Moldova. The country is even smaller. Euro-associated long before Ukraine. And they have had visa-free travel for a long time. And what? A third work abroad, old people and children at home. Before the Ukrainian Maidan, it was the poorest country in Europe. Do you really want to join their ranks? request If it seems that there is nowhere below, talk to ukrami - they will tell you that they still have to crawl and crawl up to you.
        The purpose of the rallies is simple - to show. that the fighters are not an overwhelming force and to encourage the state apparatus and Luke's supporters. The enemy's agenda had to be set up its own. Let it be clumsy at first, but show it. Rally supporters again. The state has a margin of safety, while the enemy has much less of it, and as the leaders and "sergeants" of the Maidan are caught, the Maidan will become weaker and weaker. There, after 4 days, the fight ended. Why? Because the bulk of the fighters are already in jail. The remaining fighters are not enough for the batch.
        Well, if everything is so disgusting to you in your home country, then what's the problem? Go to Russia. request Get citizenship, build a business or work. There is a lot of space. You can take part in some state program. Just first choose where to go. You can miss the blind. Best of all in the field of activity or where the specialty is in demand. We have nothing against it. I'll reveal a secret. A Belarusian or Ukrainian, crossing the border of Russia, becomes an ordinary Russian - just like everyone else. And the attitude towards him is absolutely the same. There is certainly nothing to be afraid of.
      8. Max otto
        Max otto 12 September 2020 20: 42 New
        0
        Thanks of course, but I don't need that. I like my country, especially when no one pokes there. Only your friend would be taken to Rostov, in general everything was ok. I worked in Russia and Poland. In Poland, there are laws, think, they are even respected, no overtime except for the total allowed per year, all licensing docks are made by the employer with only a visa and labor. In Russia, the salary is sometimes even higher (in general, they are at about the same level), but housing and food make it less, the conditions of a serf, the weekend did not come out - a candidate for dismissal. The bottom of the house (I kept my things in the car, the contingent did not inspire confidence, some Chinese lumps), there are claims - your sheriff's rights are not of interest. And this is Peter. You have enough serfs of your own, if not enough, they will be brought from Uzbekistan.
        Moldova is pain, according to the Soviet passport I am a Moldovan. A cousin brother is here in Bucharest, a surgeon. Lives well. Moldova is now the left bank of the Dniester, the rest is Romania de facto. I'm sure Romania is causing your gag reflex, and so is mine. You gave a good example, Belarus is for Russia like Moldova for Romania. Draw conclusions.
      9. g1v2
        g1v2 12 September 2020 21: 29 New
        +2
        Well, the choice is yours. In the Russian Federation, as you described now, they may refer somewhere to guest workers performing simple jobs. Any specialist has not been treated like that for a long time. I have a lot of Moldovan acquaintances, relatives by their wives, they worked in Russia and no one experienced any special problems with housing or wages. Some have long since become citizens of Russia. They study, they work. They don't complain about income either. Uzbeks and Kyrgyz also work full of acquaintances - they don't complain about earnings. But of course a lot depends on the region. Well, yes, it's lyrics. Everyone is looking for a better place.
        Of course, we will not stop promoting our interests in Belarus, because someone does not like it. request We will definitely not give up Belarus to the Poles. If dad turns out to be the best choice for us, he will continue to sit. If there are options to put a pro-Russian candidate, then maybe we will also help the next Maidan. But for now, everything depends on Luke. Whether he is penetrated or not. hi I AM PERSONALLY CONSIDERING THE PRESENT SITUATION IN RUSSIA. RB and UKRAINE, as another feudal fragmentation. I will fully approve of any actions to overcome it on the part of our leadership.
        Talk about Romania with old people who remember the Romanian occupation and how they treated the Moldovans. I think that Romania will not pull you. I treat Romania calmly without vomiting. It's just a small country with big ambitions that it won't be able to realize. request
  • Motorist
    Motorist 9 September 2020 21: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: TerribleGMO
    We would like to support the Belarusian people, we would not support them.

    TerribleGMO,hi Do not speak for the whole people. You can add "IMHO" or "I suppose".
  • Kunashir 1976
    Kunashir 1976 9 September 2020 12: 12 New
    +3
    It’s interesting where do you get these figures about 90 percent support for Russia among Belarusians? Belarusians treat Russia well. But the majority have a negative attitude towards the association. I advise you to search for opinion polls, there are enough of them on the net.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 00: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    Even if it were true, 90% of the population of Belarus supports Russia, and Russia supports Lukashenka.
    10 + 90
    Where is this conclusion? Among people over 40?
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 9 September 2020 11: 23 New
    -27
    At least return the entire Black Sea coast.

    We still won't pay for Crimea - since 14, the prices for everything (following the course) have already doubled .. And it's not enough for you ..))
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 9 September 2020 11: 32 New
      16
      We still won't pay off for Crimea
      There would be no Crimea, there would be something else. There was nothing with Navalny, but they are already thinking of how to bill us.
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 9 September 2020 11: 42 New
        -17
        That's right, what "would" ..
        Only before Crimea everything was normal - that's a fact ..
        And what happened to Navalny is still a big question ..
        Although, of course, some people prefer the stories about the spire in Salisbury ... or about the fact that a distraught Chechen just slapped Nemtsov in front of the Kremlin ..
        But this, as they say, is for a fairytale lover ..
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 9 September 2020 11: 51 New
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          Only before Crimea everything was normal - that's a fact ..
          In 2014, the West launched an active offensive, in principle very successfully, Crimea was just a response. Now he is trying to attack in Belarus, it is necessary to respond without looking back at the sanctions, otherwise at such a pace the Moscow region will soon demand lace panties.
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 00 New
            -14
            the west launched an active offensive


            Well, that's what we call it .. they say, Ukraine is our backyard and so on .. and we decided that this is ours ..
            But, as we can see, the people there think everything is the same ... We don't believe the Belarusians either ... those who want to remove Luka ... we write here - as if they were all paid for ..
            But you can look a little further back .. The Baltic States, Georgia, Poland .. they are all perfect sincerely they escaped from us .. and back no one is burning with desire !!
            So .. "active offensive" is not that active ..

            I agree that you can argue here for a long time .. but with regards to the fact that we will pay for Crimea for a long time, this is a fact ..
            But whether many citizens of Russia needed it is a question .. I personally vacationed there cheaper in Ukraine than in Russia ..))
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 9 September 2020 12: 12 New
              -7
              I personally rested there cheaper in Ukraine than in Russia ..))
              Rest there has deteriorated completely, Crimea is turning into a second Krasnodar, more and more angry and greedy, but this is not about that.
              Ukraine is our backyard
              This is so, Russia, like any country, has geopolitical interests that it needs for security and survival.
              But, as we see, the people there think everything is the same differently
              If you remember that before 2014 the people there thought differently than they think now, the idea of ​​including Ukraine in the union state was discussed. The West could not allow this, and Maidan happened in 2004, and our final defeat in 2014.
              1. Roman13579
                Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 27 New
                -7
                Rest there has deteriorated completely, Crimea is turning into a second Krasnodar, more and more angry and greedy, but this is not about that.


                Well, why not about this .. it is these things that are paramount !!

                But the fact that "Russia, like any country, has geopolitical interests that it needs for security and survival." - there is just a discrepancy .. because if, as a result of the annexation of Crimea, "survival" has become worse .. maybe well, her, such security ..

                If you remember that until 2014 the people there thought differently than he thinks now
                Uh-huh .. what I'm writing about - now many people write about the Belarusians just as well .. Point-blank not noticing the protesters, and calling them paid .. Maybe that's the mistake .. that people still think differently than "otherwise" ..

                the idea of ​​including Ukraine in the union state was discussed. The West could not allow this to happen and Maidan happened in 2004, and our final defeat in 2014.
                Until this year, Belarus was not going to unite with us .. in every possible way, leaving the union state .. and the bad West still arranged a Maidan there ..))
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 9 September 2020 12: 50 New
                  +2
                  Uh-huh .. what I am writing about - now many people write about Belarusians just as well.
                  So this is not the result of Russia's actions, it is the result of manipulating public consciousness.
                2. Roman13579
                  Roman13579 9 September 2020 13: 33 New
                  -8
                  Here I agree !! The fact that Ukrainians until the age of 14 wanted to be with us, and then did not want to, is a manipulation of our consciousness ..
                  Those who say that the Belarusians, they say, do not want to throw off Lukashenka, are manipulating in the same way.
                  We were told the same about the Balts before.
                3. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 9 September 2020 13: 56 New
                  +6
                  this is the manipulation of our consciousness ..
                  Of course, with ours, the Ukrainian language is banned here, media Internet resources are blocked, these are our sites like a peacemaker, there is no census, and they say from every iron that we are at war with Ukraine, and the Ukrainians are to blame for all the troubles, I heroize fascists, cannibals, there is a civil war, the opposition is being killed, the dissatisfied are burned, history is being rewritten, at the behest and with the money of the West.
                  we were told about the Balts before.
                  The Balts have already passed this stage, but unlike the Balts, neither Ukraine nor Belarus is threatened by the EU.
        2. tolya19601
          tolya19601 10 September 2020 02: 53 New
          +2
          Who ran away? They set up a Russophobic (pro-American) government and that's it, but who asked the people? And what about Poland? "I personally rested there cheaper in Ukraine than in Russia ..))" - then in Russia there were other prices, and the government in Ukraine was not fascist.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-FdHBh7QcM
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 9 September 2020 11: 54 New
      +8
      There would be no Crimea would have dropped another Boeing or sank any pelvis in the Black Sea and with a skripal smeared with a novice and a grenade ... don't be naive
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 42 New
        -11
        don't be naive

        So don't be .. Or are there still those who believe that those two rolled to look at the spire ??)))) * deep sigh *

        PS .. with the Boeing, as it were, the situation is still the same .. Although I myself was inclined at first that it was the Ukrainians who shot down .. but now I have no such confidence .. After our "vacationers", and real stories about how "we weren't there" .. I wouldn't have put money on it for sure !!
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 September 2020 12: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Roman13579
          Or are there still those who believe that those two rode to look at the spire ??)))) * deep sigh *

          Do you believe that the BOV are so weak, that those who touched the mythical handle Skripali walked around the city for several hours? That the policeman who found them and the ambulance personnel, at least touched for some reason, are still alive?
          Moreover, the skripals visited the cafe, talked with the staff, took and gave the menu - all the staff of the ZHIV cafe ...
          Since at least a hundred people had to be hospitalized ...

          And this stuff with 100% lethality ?????
          They would poison it with sarin / soman or something lol lol

          And yes, if he posed even a miserable threat, no one would have let him go abroad .. Yes, and after leaving, several years have passed ... If he knew something, they would have knocked it out of him in England right away
    3. Horon
      Horon 9 September 2020 13: 58 New
      +7
      Before Crimea there was Georgia, before Georgia there were crowds of Arab terrorists in the North Caucasus. It was normal only when our Blue Nose was shooting parliament from a tank, and before that, when Russians were driven out of the former republics with only suitcases and each village declared its independence from Moscow. Whose interests are you doing propaganda for here?
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 9 September 2020 15: 15 New
      +8
      A clear appearance of the information war fighter from the west. Any Russian would understand. that raising these topics is pointless. The annexation of Crimea was supported by 90 percent of Russians. Nobody cares deeply about Navalny or Nemtsov. If the Kremlin had slammed Navalny or Nemtsov, the overwhelming majority of citizens would have only questioned - why so few? Well, only an absolutely stupid person can believe about Salisberry, or who gets information about Russia from propaganda leaflets like bbc. Tch oil painting - the lad was burnt. fellow
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 00: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Trapp1st
    We still won't pay off for Crimea
    There would be no Crimea, there would be something else. There was nothing with Navalny, but they are already thinking of how to bill us.

    So who makes you carry on provocations? Since 91 we are in the Western world, whether you like it or not. Until 2014, they invested money in us, although they did not like the government, but after 2012 they already calmed down, as Russia did not interfere with them. It was necessary to continue to milk them, too early to break the connection with milk.
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 11: 59 New
    +4
    to give the Crimea and you will live better? Crimea is priceless !!!
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 43 New
      -7
      And Alaska ??)
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        and what about Alaska? it belongs to the USA for centuries
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik 9 September 2020 13: 14 New
          +5
          Taking Alaska back will increase Russia's security.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 13: 31 New
            +3
            there are no Russian speakers, but if the people decide, then let them join
            1. Roman13579
              Roman13579 9 September 2020 13: 35 New
              -4
              but if the people decide
              And if the people of Belarus decide to go to Europe ??
              Shall we refer to the people or to security ??)))
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 14: 28 New
                +1
                the people of course what happened in Ukraine, the Crimea did not want to and now joined
          2. Roman13579
            Roman13579 9 September 2020 13: 34 New
            -7
            Nastya nifiga does not get lost ..))
            1. Horon
              Horon 9 September 2020 14: 06 New
              +5
              Quote: Roman13579
              Nastya nifiga does not get lost ..))

              "Dupa" is in Ukrainian, in Russian it does not "understand" or does not "understand". Surzhik handed you over with his head!))) "Russian"
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 14: 28 New
                +3
                there are a lot of them here
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 9 September 2020 13: 34 New
    +8
    Quote: Roman13579
    We still won't pay for Crimea -

    What funny "payers" have appeared. laughing
  • Fungus
    Fungus 9 September 2020 14: 21 New
    +1
    We paid for the Crimea long ago. It was estimated at $ 150 billion. We returned this money long ago. The reserves are now 600 billion dollars. It was after the loss of the Crimea 350 billion. I know a bunch of countries where prices are rising without the Crimea. And yes. You were asleep. A Russian will not whine about Crimea because he knows that he is priceless. You fell apart and became world beggars thanks to the horses and now you crow on Russian sites because of your resentment that you slept through everything. Re-read your comments sometimes a pseudo-Russian ...
  • Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 9 September 2020 20: 23 New
    -1
    You think so?
  • alstr
    alstr 9 September 2020 11: 01 New
    +7
    The funniest thing is that this soft annexation was planned 20 years ago. When they just started talking about the union state.
    And these just woke up.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 9 September 2020 11: 37 New
      +2
      that this soft annexation was planned already 20 years ago.
      Moreover, the initiator was Belarus.
      1. New
        New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Trapp1st
        Moreover, the initiator was Belarus

        Be honest - Lukashenko, who wanted to replace the EBN.
        Do not change Belarus with Luka
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 9 September 2020 13: 23 New
          +2
          Be honest - Lukashenko
          To be honest, the elected president of Belarus, whose decision was mostly approved by the people of Belarus (according to polls, from 70-80% of Belarusians, by the way, in hypothetical elections before 2004, Putin definitely won against Lukashenko in Belarus).
          1. New
            New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Trapp1st
            approved of

            Exactly! Approved! Year please indicate approval
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 9 September 2020 13: 49 New
              -2
              Year please indicate approval
              1999, now at 50%. Google if in doubt.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Trapp1st
                1999, now at 50%. Google if in doubt.

                Sorry for the interference, but it's 2020, the EBN has already been buried. According to your logic, it is necessary to wet Ukraine, starting from the 1991 referendum on the preservation of the USSR
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 9 September 2020 15: 07 New
                  +2
                  According to your logic, it is necessary to wet Ukraine, starting from the 1991 referendum on the preservation of the USSR
                  The idea is tempting, but if you read the thread carefully, you will understand where 1999 and 2020 have to do with it.
  • Vend
    Vend 9 September 2020 11: 04 New
    +7
    Putin, already "burned" by forceful intervention in Ukraine and Georgia
    Ossetia is saved with Russia, Crimea is back, Donbass Luhansk wants to go to Russia, I think the United States dreams of getting burned like that laughing
    1. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 08 New
      -7
      Quote: Wend
      Ossetia is saved

      Are you talking about the latest unrest in it, when the authorities killed the poor Ossetians?
      Where is the bandit regime established?
      1. Vend
        Vend 9 September 2020 13: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Wend
        Ossetia is saved

        Are you talking about the latest unrest in it, when the authorities killed the poor Ossetians?
        Where is the bandit regime established?

        I'm about 8 August
      2. Alexander X
        Alexander X 9 September 2020 14: 11 New
        +3
        My bosom friend is resting in Ossetia right now. He wrote to me: "I am in paradise". So some sort of "divine" bandit regime comes out ...
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander X
          So some sort of "divine" bandit regime comes out ...

          President of South Ossetia: those responsible for the murder, after which the protests began, will be punished
          https://tass.ru/interviews/9362569
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Wend
      Donbass Lugansk wants to Russia,

      want, but Russian passports do not receive. The last figure is 200 thousand out of millions of Donetsk and Luhansk residents
      1. Vend
        Vend 9 September 2020 14: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: Wend
        Donbass Lugansk wants to Russia,

        want, but Russian passports do not receive. The last figure is 200 thousand out of millions of Donetsk and Luhansk residents

        Naturally, they want the DPR and LPR to become part of Russia.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Wend
          Naturally, they want the DPR and LPR to become part of Russia.

          so why don't they get passports?
          1. Vend
            Vend 9 September 2020 15: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Overlock
            Quote: Wend
            Naturally, they want the DPR and LPR to become part of Russia.

            so why don't they get passports?

            When they become part of Rossi and then extradite, you think they are stupider there than you laughing
          2. Alexander Seklitsky
            Alexander Seklitsky 9 September 2020 15: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: Overlock
            so why don't they get passports?

            what do you think? Many have connections with mainland Ukraine, can you explain what the risks of obtaining a Russian passport for these citizens are?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 September 2020 13: 51 New
    +1
    Moscow. 9th of September. INTERFAX.RU - President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that integration with the Russian Federation is in accordance with the Union Treaty.

    In an interview with Russian journalists, which was published on the RT channel, the Belarusian leader explained that by now the situation has changed markedly.

    “Now two generations have grown up after that, and today it is no longer possible to realize that integration,” he said.https: //www.interfax.ru/world/725210
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 42 New
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      "Now two generations have grown up after that, and today it is already impossible to realize that integration"

      at least one sane thought in my head
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 9 September 2020 17: 57 New
    0
    This is just the construction of the Union State! And nothing more.

    And those who are especially suspicious overseas should make efforts to consolidate their society, and not to the collapse of someone else's!
  • Romka
    Romka 9 September 2020 20: 43 New
    -3
    The "back yard" is the DNR (Yard of the Nouveau riches of Russia), and we are the Republic of Belarus! Well, or what Girkin said there?
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You 9 September 2020 10: 35 New
    +6
    Until 2024, there will be one more subject within the Russian Federation.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 September 2020 10: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Alex_You
      Until 2024, there will be one more subject within the Russian Federation.

      Only one?
      1. Dude
        Dude 9 September 2020 10: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Alex_You
        Until 2024, there will be one more subject within the Russian Federation.

        Only one?

        A chicken by the grain! ..)))
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 September 2020 10: 47 New
          16
          Quote: Dude
          A chicken by the grain! ..)))

          Actually, we were the first to borrow ... yes
          1. Dude
            Dude 9 September 2020 10: 48 New
            +4
            So what am I talking about!))
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 9 September 2020 13: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            we were the first to borrow ...

            This is yes. But, after all, they did not ask that no one else borrowed for you. laughing
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 10 September 2020 07: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Paranoid50
              This is yes. But, after all, they did not ask that no one else borrowed for you.

              Key phrase "behind us",is not it ?
      2. Alex_You
        Alex_You 9 September 2020 10: 46 New
        +1
        Only one?

        I think yes.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 September 2020 10: 36 New
    10
    The annexation will begin with economic integration and the introduction of a single currency, then political integration through a common foreign and defense policy and ending with the creation of a full-fledged union state, which would mean the actual entry of Belarus into Russia.
    Well, let's not put "annexation", but the creation of a real union state. And let them go out in guano, with their little articles. Singing from a high tower. laughing
    1. Dude
      Dude 9 September 2020 10: 47 New
      +6
      ... and the creation of a real union state

      Yes, it's like a sharp knife to them!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 9 September 2020 10: 49 New
        +2

        Dude (Sergey)
        Today, 10: 47

        +1
        ... and the creation of a real union state

        Yes, it's like a sharp knife to them!
        Therefore, we need to try to create it, and not as something unnecessary happened.
        1. Dude
          Dude 9 September 2020 10: 52 New
          +2
          The game is not easy, but it must be played beautifully! Or a penny for us. And so already, retreated so far that there is nowhere else. It's time to act on our own, not just respond to challenges!
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 9 September 2020 10: 54 New
            +5

            Dude (Sergey)
            Today, 10: 52

            +1
            The game is not easy, but it must be played beautifully! Or a penny for us. And so already, retreated so far that there is nowhere else. It's time to act on our own, not just respond to challenges!
            Completely!!! Better yet, get ahead! wink
            1. Dude
              Dude 9 September 2020 10: 57 New
              +2
              Completely!!! Better yet, get ahead! wink
              Exactly!
    2. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: aszzz888
      but the creation of a real union state.

      Interestingly, the opinion of the Belarusians was asked or Simonyan has already counted everything?
      1. Terrible
        Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        Interestingly, the opinion of the Belarusians was asked or Simonyan has already counted everything?

        What are you talking about, when at stake is the question of how to amuse the pride of a stratum of "collectors" such a trifle as the opinion of 9 million people is nothing. If they don't want to, they'll drag them in tanks.
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 September 2020 12: 33 New
          0
          Quote: TerribleGMO
          9 million people are nothing ..
          - straight 9? !!! And then someone Tikhanovskaya squeals that the people should be returned to the country?
          Maybe all the same much less ???
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 43 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      but the creation of a real union state.

      are Belarusians ready to go to fight in Syria?
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 September 2020 10: 38 New
    +4
    Lukashenko, there is nowhere to go ... But Putin cannot surrender Belarus. There is no other way out as a soft intention ... Perhaps both countries will benefit from this ..
    1. businessv
      businessv 9 September 2020 11: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Perhaps both countries will benefit from this ..

      Do not have any illusions about this. It is the fear of losing what they have acquired by overwork that pushes all the leaders of the former republics into the soft embrace of ours, and their enemies too. They do not want to report, nor obey those who can check their reports and ask for shortcomings. Belarus and I have a different system of state and different approaches to state property. Of course, Belarus is afraid of such wild state capitalism as ours. And in my opinion, he does the right thing, but, as was said earlier, there is only one way out of the created situation acceptable for us, despite the fact that RB does not like it.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 9 September 2020 11: 27 New
        +1
        The system is one, capitalist. RB is not a socialist state, do not harbor illusions.
        1. businessv
          businessv 9 September 2020 11: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          RB is not a socialist state, do not have illusions.
          There are zero illusions! In the Republic of Belarus, 80% of state-owned enterprises are retained. Can you argue? How many state-owned enterprises are there in Russia? Can you name the most famous ones? By the way, I didn't say a word about the formation.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 9 September 2020 11: 36 New
            0
            Saved. So what? What is the point ?.
            Belarus and I have a different state system
            ... What is the difference between systems? They saved, Russia did not save ..?
            1. businessv
              businessv 9 September 2020 12: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              .What is the difference between systems?

              Can't understand a simple thing yourself? The difference is that the result of the work of state-owned enterprises in the Republic of Belarus is used by the state, while in our country it is taken into our pockets. And you haven't answered the question. I decided to add it because it is obvious that you do not understand the main thing. Belarus has no resources, it lives only from the results of its labor and production, unlike us. That is why Lukashenka kept all the factories and plants with all his might, and he did the right thing. If these factories are taken over by our oligarch, there will be a collapse in Belarus - most people will be fired in order to minimize costs and optimize production. Well, and then I don’t even know what can be good in Belarus.
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 9 September 2020 13: 06 New
                +2
                I don't want to answer laughing For one simple reason, it is not interesting to compare two capitalist systems with different forms of ownership. In Belarus, the share of state ownership is greater, in Russia it is less. Both peoples do not ride in oil; the problems are the same.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 9 September 2020 22: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                  Both peoples do not ride in oil; the problems are the same.
                  I agree about the oil, about the problems - categorically not, but I will not decipher the obvious. hi
              2. Alexga
                Alexga 9 September 2020 18: 21 New
                0
                I am afraid that your COMMON thoughts are incomprehensible to many here. It's a pity!
              3. your1970
                your1970 10 September 2020 12: 39 New
                0
                Quote: businessv
                RB has no resources, it lives only from the results of its labor and production,

                Jen Psaki was right and the sea is still there ???! 5 part of RF seafood - seafood from Belarus ....
                And reselling gas in a pipe is also not RB ...
                1. businessv
                  businessv 10 September 2020 14: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  5 part of RF seafood - seafood from Belarus ....
                  If our people do not want to master the processing of seafood, it is more profitable for them to donate raw materials, then why should the Republic of Belarus not take on this function? As for the gas, the shop was closed, so there is nothing to discuss.
          2. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 9 September 2020 18: 20 New
            0
            Quote: businessv
            They

            And why do you want enterprises? , you have oil and gas, but the rest, as Red Tolyan used to say, if the fins are glued together, then this is their problem ... Russia does not need them.
            If not right, correct ...
            1. businessv
              businessv 9 September 2020 22: 42 New
              0
              Quote: Skalendarka
              And why do you want enterprises?

              Businesses around the corner! This is the answer to "why?" I do not consider it necessary to answer the rest because these are very simple things that should be clear to everyone, including you. Regarding the "red-haired Tolyan" I can only say that he is loved only by you, but not in Russia. hi
        2. New
          New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          One system, capitalist

          It's right. Only in Belarus one oligarch - Luka
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 9 September 2020 13: 18 New
            +3
            That's right, if you measure the oligarchs by square kilometers, then in Belarus it should be so. laughing It can't be there anymore. Options 3-4 are possible laughing
            1. New
              New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              That's right, if you measure the oligarchs for square kilometers,

              those. you don't give a damn about the simple ones. The main thing is the oligarchs laughing
          2. businessv
            businessv 9 September 2020 15: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Only in Belarus one oligarch - Luka
            If our oligarch acted in the same way, IMHO, life would be much easier! And the fact that we have them in bulk brings confusion, internecine strife and a desire to separate, so that it would be easier to cut and take away, which "Luka" did not allow to do in his country.
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 9 September 2020 11: 31 New
      -6
      You are right when you write - "Putin cannot surrender Belarus.There is no other way out as soft intenting "

      So the only question is how to lose less ..
      In fact, Belarus does not need us, much less we need it .. In economic terms, it is another bottomless barrel ..
      But for Luka this is a chance to stay alive and with his own ... for Putin, an opportunity to raise the rating on hamsters raving about reunification .. as well as help his friends "neoligarchs" get rich on a new feeding trough, where infusions will not match the cosmodromes or the Crimean bridges ..
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 12: 02 New
        -2
        and how many such barrels do you have? we will take everything
    3. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      ... Perhaps both countries will benefit from this

      Again perhaps
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 September 2020 10: 39 New
    +1
    There are plenty of examples of integration .... The economic one is quite enough.
  • Charik
    Charik 9 September 2020 10: 39 New
    +6
    For dabiles, this is called annexation, and for normal people, integration
  • Pytnik
    Pytnik 9 September 2020 10: 40 New
    +2
    10% support Lukashenka ??? figure taken from the ceiling
    1. Sergey Obraztsov
      Sergey Obraztsov 9 September 2020 10: 45 New
      0
      Naturally. The most conservative stratum of society in political terms is always pensioners. And there are definitely not 10% of them in Belarus. Yes, and among the rest of the population there is some part. I will not dare to indicate any figure from my sofa, but I think for sure at least 30%.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 September 2020 11: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Pytnik
      10% support Lukashenka ??? figure taken from the ceiling

      With Tikhanovskaya beguiled. It happens.
    3. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Pytnik
      10% support Lukashenka ??? figure taken from the ceiling

      Obviously, like 80%
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2020 10: 42 New
    -2
    communicate only with "real representatives" of the republic from the opposition.

    well, yes, call them also representatives of the people of Belarus ...
    1. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 17 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, yes, call them also representatives of the people of Belarus ..

      Are they Chinese? Or are there correct Belarusians, and there are not correct? Some kind of segregation
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 September 2020 13: 31 New
        +3
        Everything is as usual, according to the rules, if you want to represent the people, so be with him .... in grief and joy, t.s.
        But no, and not here, just imagine yourself.
  • Dim61
    Dim61 9 September 2020 10: 47 New
    +2
    communicate only with "real representatives" of the republic from the opposition

    Take them to your place, like Tikhanovskaya, and communicate as much as you like. And in the republic there is nothing to muddy the waters, let people live and work in peace.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Dim61
      Take them to your place, like Tikhanovskaya, and communicate as much as you like.

      can we pick up Lukashenka and kiss him passionately? it will be cheaper
    2. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 9 September 2020 17: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Dim61
      And in the republic there is nothing to muddy the waters, let people live and work in peace.

      Take Lukashenka and do whatever you want with him, even put him under a glass dome in the mausoleum. You like him so much.
      Better to go straight to the government good
      1. Dim61
        Dim61 10 September 2020 08: 18 New
        0
        What don't you like? Is medicine expensive? No work? Freedom is not enough? And in what do you see this freedom? Put a cutlet lady in your government and welcome to Europe, as your neighbors are Ukrainians! Poles are waiting for new workers on the strawberry plantation. Or look at the three-balts. All young people work in Europe, and the republics are in first place in tourism. Sexy. At the same time, you will open monuments to forest brothers, following the example of your neighbors. Or are you dreaming of gay pride parades on Masherov Avenue? What kind of freedom do you want?
  • askort154
    askort154 9 September 2020 10: 48 New
    +2
    "Soft annexation", "gray men", "take away children from opposition leaders."
    "Putin, already burned by forceful intervention in Ukraine and Georgia ..."


    VO editors, maybe this is interesting to "liberals" and Russophobes, of whom there are few here, and they are not welcomed.
    But the main fans of the VO - why drag this nonsense, like in the trash? negative
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 September 2020 10: 53 New
      0
      Quote: askort154
      "Soft annexation", "gray men", "take away children from opposition leaders."
      "Putin, already burned by forceful intervention in Ukraine and Georgia ..."

      VO editors, maybe this is interesting to "liberals" and Russophobes, of whom there are few here, and they are not welcomed.
      But the main fans of the VO - why drag this nonsense, like in the trash?

      So what to do request ? This is an American song, and as you know, you can't throw words out of it. no .
      1. askort154
        askort154 9 September 2020 11: 10 New
        0
        Insurgent....So what to do ? This is an American song, and, as you know, you can't throw words out of it ...

        Which song ?! This is the delirium of a drug addict on the page of a little-known magazine, published a couple of times every 2 months, on the yellow stage of the Internet.
        Who is interested in it? Oh yes, to the Ukrainians! On "no censor" and others, such articles lick passionately. I am sure that now they will pick up the expression - Russian "gray men" are already in Belarus, as another "trident" against Russia. negative (I don't use minuses) hi
    2. BAI
      BAI 9 September 2020 11: 07 New
      +2
      VO editors, maybe this is interesting to "liberals" and Russophobes, of whom there are few here, and they are not welcomed.

      Who said that a little (though here)?
      Former intelligence officer (although there are no former ones) and associate professor at RANEPA Sergei Karnaukhov:
      in Russia, as I calculated, there are at least 5 thousand opposition channels and pages on the Internet. Any fakes can be launched through them. Warm up the youth, urge them to take to the streets. I analyzed Russian YouTube for the presence of "sleeping" and "awake" agents of influence. About 200 Russian channels disseminate potentially extremist information. Their total audience is 67 million subscribers!

      It must be understood that the events in Belarus are a rehearsal before the presidential elections in the Russian Federation. By this time, the West will take into account all the mistakes.
      It is necessary to work in this direction in order to distinguish a real protest (not everything is great here, something really needs to be changed) from provocations paid for by the West, not now, but several years ago.
  • HAM
    HAM 9 September 2020 10: 51 New
    -1
    Directly according to the State Department manuals ..... ah, yes Putin! bully
  • Reviews
    Reviews 9 September 2020 10: 53 New
    -1
    What do they smoke there?
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 9 September 2020 11: 42 New
      0
      What do they smoke there?
      Tarhun.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 September 2020 10: 56 New
    +2
    for example, by threats to take their children away and send them to orphanages.

    PROVE this nonsense, the authors of amerostatii-can? fool
  • Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 9 September 2020 10: 58 New
    +3
    Therefore, the afftors burn, Western shit should not rely on Lukashenka, but communicate only with "real representatives" from the opposition in the opposition and abroad. wassat
  • BAI
    BAI 9 September 2020 10: 59 New
    +4
    Russia is striving to annex the territory of neighboring Belarus to itself, the authors of the article argue.

    If there is no Russian Federation in Belarus, the USA will be there.
    1. askort154
      askort154 9 September 2020 11: 20 New
      +3
      BAI .....If there is no Russian Federation in the Republic of Belarus, the USA will be there.


      It will be worse there than the USA. There will be a hyena - on a US leash. hi
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 9 September 2020 11: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
    Naturally. The most conservative stratum of society in political terms is always pensioners. And there are definitely not 10% of them in Belarus. Yes, and among the rest of the population there is some part. I will not dare to indicate any figure from my sofa, but I think for sure at least 30%.

    Yes, Batka had 40-50% of the electorate. Considering the resource of the vertical and all the media. But 80%
    (let's just say deception) and repression brought his electorate 30% is real. But 70% are against it. But not in any way against the Russian Federation. This must be precisely divided. And the flags of the white chyrvona are the symbol of the fight against the Old Man. There is no other.
  • Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 9 September 2020 11: 00 New
    +3
    And how did you get burned in Georgia?
    1. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 9 September 2020 20: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Furious Bambr
      And how did you get burned in Georgia?

      Well, how, well, how, in the opinion of Georgians, our conscience torments us.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 September 2020 11: 03 New
    0
    It's just that one people will always be together.
    And let the Americans deal with those whose lives in the United States are of greater importance, how many genders and sexual orientations are the most tolerant, and so on and so forth.
  • ugol2
    ugol2 9 September 2020 11: 05 New
    12
    I certainly understand that many on this site have a terrible nostalgia for the Soviet Union, they want to become young again and build a bright future again. And at the word "Union State" hope awakens.
    But you yourself then think, what kind of a Union is it, which includes a huge Russia and with all due respect tiny Belarus? A confederation in which when deciding issues one republic - one vote? Do not tell me, why is the same Tatarstan worse in that case, people in Kazan will think.
    So there is only one option - the entry of Belarus into the Russian Federation as a subject of the federation. And here a big question arises - is it necessary for an ordinary Belarusian?
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 9 September 2020 11: 59 New
      0
      But does an ordinary Belarusian need it?
      And what other options are there for a simple Belarusian? EU? Who needs them there, do you think the EU will sponsor Belarusians like Russia? In addition, if the Belarusians change the vector to the west, Russia will absolutely correctly remove Belarus from the balance sheet, and the citizens of the Republic of Belarus will equalize their rights with other Soviet republics (they will become foreign citizens).
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Trapp1st
        And what other options are there for a simple Belarusian?

        are you Belarusian? They have their own brains
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 9 September 2020 15: 09 New
          0
          They have their own brains
          They have a brain, we have a brain, let's think, reason. Otherwise, why is it needed?
  • businessv
    businessv 9 September 2020 11: 07 New
    0
    Therefore, the authors emphasize, Western democracies should not rely on Lukashenka, but communicate only with the "real representatives" of the republic from the opposition.
    Stripes in their repertoire. Now they will appoint a president "from the people," loyal and subordinate to them, and they will negotiate with him. It's good that Belarus has no money over the hill. How tired they are, these ubiquitous (not a mistake, from the word crap!) Freaks!
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 9 September 2020 11: 22 New
    -6
    And that's the way it is ..))
  • vavilon
    vavilon 9 September 2020 11: 22 New
    +1
    They are jealous because they annex territories only by force and through blood, and in our country only by the will of the people and without violence.
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 9 September 2020 11: 34 New
      -5
      Well, you will say too ..))
      Poland, the Baltic States, Georgia and others, others ... all gone:
      a) without blood and without violence
      b) voluntarily and by the will of the people
      c) the states have not annexed anyone ..
      If we did not go to Ukraine, everything would be the same there ...

      And after all this, for some reason, someone else doubts the aspirations of the Belarusian people, yelling - "let's put them a pro-Russian president", or we will add to ourselves .. Circus.,))
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 9 September 2020 12: 01 New
        +1
        We do not go to Ukraine
        A NATO fleet with medium-range missiles would now be stationed in Crimea. And Rostov would ask to join the EU.
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 30 New
          -3
          Well, at least Rostov would have healed at the level of Poland ..))
          And so, instead of "standing now," we already have a real rise in prices by half since that moment.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 9 September 2020 12: 53 New
            +1
            Well, at least Rostov would have healed at the level of Poland ..))
            Ukraine, Belarus, and in this regard, Rostov, like all regions of Russia in the west, is prepared for the fate of Somalia.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 10 September 2020 08: 39 New
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              Quote: Trapp1st
              Ukraine, Belarus and in this regard, Rostov, like all regions of Russia in the west, is prepared for the fate of Somalia

              And why did not the Grand Duchy of Finland turn out to be Somalia, but Finland? And why would anyone want to have at their borders not conditional Finland, but Somalia?
              1. Trapp1st
                Trapp1st 10 September 2020 10: 26 New
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                And why did not the Grand Duchy of Finland turn out to be Somalia, but Finland?
                For the same reason why Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia appeared to fight criminal Russia.
                Why would anyone want to have at their borders not conditional Finland, but Somalia?
                Speech specifically about Russia, so it will be easier to rob it, and Russians are generally not needed on the planet.
        2. New
          New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 21 New
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          Quote: Trapp1st
          A NATO fleet with medium-range missiles would now be stationed in Crimea.

          Now - in Odessa and Ochakov. B-52s are already patrolling the skies over Melitopol
          Quote: Trapp1st
          And Rostov would ask to join the EU.

          Are you afraid?
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 9 September 2020 13: 37 New
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            Maybe he's just not from Rostov himself ..))
          2. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 9 September 2020 13: 43 New
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            Now - in Odessa and Ochakov. B-52s are already patrolling the skies over Melitopol
            But without the fleet!
            Are you afraid?
            Collapse of Russia, civil war, famine? Yes I am an adequate person.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 12: 04 New
        -1
        Georgia still moans from a bad economy
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 48 New
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          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          Georgia still moans from a bad economy

          did the Georgians tell you? Judging by Adjara, you are wrong
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 9 September 2020 15: 07 New
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            yes the Georgians said the coast is not all Georgia
      3. Horon
        Horon 9 September 2020 12: 23 New
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        states have not annexed anyone ..
        If we did not go to Ukraine, everything would be the same there ...

        Indeed, no one was annexed, only their bases were set up in the controlled territories. With Ukraine, it would be the same: taking control of the entire territory and military bases throughout the territory, but why join? Having joined the United States to Ukraine and other countries, it will be necessary to take on other responsibilities, and so ... the affairs of the natives are of interest to the United States only to the extent that they do not interfere with the realization of the interests of the United States itself.
        And after all this, for some reason, someone else doubts the aspirations of the Belarusian people, yelling - "let's put them a pro-Russian president", or we will add to ourselves .. Circus.,)

        Do you think that Russia should not have its own interests?
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 34 New
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          Do you think that Russia should not have its own interests?
          The question was originally of a different plan .. Not even a question, but a statement ..

          They are jealous because they annex territories only by force and through blood, and in our country only by the will of the people and without violence.


          This is what I denied !!

          And with regards to interests .. I can repeat the same thing - once half of Europe was in our interests .. Now they live there so that no one asks back !!
          Now, purely out of envy and self-hatred, will we "attach" someone ??
        2. New
          New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 24 New
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          Quote: Horon
          Do you think that Russia should not have its own interests?

          Must be. But for the last 20 years, she hasn't been very protective of them. Traded soft power in exchange for agreements with the local elite
      4. vavilon
        vavilon 9 September 2020 20: 44 New
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        Do you at least understand what kind of "rubbish" you are talking about?)))))
        From such your thinking, I have no comments, I'm sorry to waste my time on you.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 47 New
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      Quote: vavilon
      and in our country only at the will of the people and without violence.

      is it about the LDNR?
  • Campanella
    Campanella 9 September 2020 11: 27 New
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    Learn the USA how to work! It's not about waving tomohawks!
    1. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 25 New
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      Quote: Campanella
      Learn the USA how to work! It's not about waving tomohawks!

      How about arithmetic? What is more than 300 or 5? Study the efficiency in Ukraine
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 9 September 2020 16: 31 New
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        What are you talking about? Efficiency of what?
        1. New
          New Year day 9 September 2020 19: 54 New
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          Quote: Campanella
          What are you talking about? Efficiency of what?

          America invested $ 5 billion in the Maidan, Russia for all the time, 300 greens and lost.
          That's the efficiency of investment.
          Quote: Campanella
          It's not about waving tomohawks!
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 10 September 2020 09: 06 New
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            America is investing specifically in destruction.
            We support economically in the first place. Do you understand the difference between creation and destruction?
  • A.K.
    A.K. 9 September 2020 11: 34 New
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    Propaganda shit for the common man in the street.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 9 September 2020 11: 46 New
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    When there were different systems and the USSR went its own way, everything was clear for the West. Now there is no USSR and Russia uses well-tested Western schemes and this is so amazing for the West! It is not customary to notice your hypocrisy, you can call the coup in Ukraine a revolution of dignity and accuse the Russians of meddling in the country's affairs
  • iouris
    iouris 9 September 2020 12: 16 New
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    Let's demand that Germany split up. Well, for example, to the West and East. Or, for example, Protestant and Catholic. Or, for example, in dialect, depending on the pronunciation of the sound "R". Or Socialist and Muslim.
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 9 September 2020 12: 38 New
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      Good offer..
      Let's try to divide them .. we'll bribe them .. we'll send all sorts of telegram channels ..
      And then we'll get some cabbage soup, and we'll make sure that if the Germans themselves really don't want to join us, then such things cannot be done by simple bribery and "organizing from outside" ...
      Maybe then we will at least understand where the rallies in Belarus come from ..
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 9 September 2020 14: 51 New
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        Quote: Roman13579
        Maybe then we will at least understand where the rallies in Belarus come from ..

        we will not understand, since we are the smartest, we know everything and decide everything for everyone.
        But when
        Quote: Roman13579
        we'll get on cabbage soup

        then we are offended - we wanted the best ... but for ourselves.
        Therefore, Belarus was the last one where we drown their kind attitude towards us.
    2. New
      New Year day 9 September 2020 13: 26 New
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      Quote: iouris
      Let's demand that Germany split up.

      Try to simulate laughing
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 9 September 2020 22: 00 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: iouris
        Let's demand that Germany split up.

        Try to simulate laughing

        There is no need to model - it was already after the war. Your emoticon is generally inappropriate here.
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 9 September 2020 12: 58 New
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    In Putin's plans, the newspaper writes, the seizure of Belarus should take place gradually, so as not to cause panic and discontent. The annexation will begin with economic integration and the introduction of a single currency, then political integration through a common foreign and defense policy and ending with the creation of a full-fledged union state, which would mean the actual entry of Belarus into Russia.

    Everything is written down correctly, but not the CAPTURE and ANNEXIA, but the unification of two fraternal republics. I hope that the third, temporarily lost, Ukraine will return to its native land.
    Moreover, Western democracies should provide active support for the national civil awakening of Belarus, strengthening it and providing all kinds of support, accepting its leaders and their demands.

    The whole world sees how, in practice, "active support is provided" to blacks in the United States for a "national civil awakening". It was this kind of support that was offered by the "Western democracies" to the people of Belarus.
  • NF68
    NF68 9 September 2020 16: 03 New
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    Russia has no other business and cannot have it. Now she has been going to attack the Baltic Lilliputians for many years, then Sweden, then someone else. The State Department could at least sometimes change the training manuals.
  • tourist
    tourist 9 September 2020 16: 09 New
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    Yes, Russia does not seem to be hiding this .. We have always been the center of unification in our history .. In this is our strength and for this they hate us ... Small states are easier to rule and plunder
  • Bratkov Oleg
    Bratkov Oleg 9 September 2020 20: 17 New
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    the author carries a blizzard. Nobody in Crimea got burned.
    Would sanctions be mandatory and guaranteed, in any case, or are modern writers out of the way to analyze what is happening in the world? Damn, well, just now, an ultimatum was presented to China, or it sells the Tik-Tak network, or whatever it is, or receives sanctions. And before that, Putin, it turns out, burned himself ... I would have become cancer in front of the United States, then it would have been another matter ... And he himself would have been a normal pi ... he would have been gay, and we too ... and then suddenly - BURNED !
  • Bratkov Oleg
    Bratkov Oleg 9 September 2020 20: 21 New
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    Quote: Roman13579
    Well, you will say too ..))
    Poland, the Baltic States, Georgia and others, others ... all gone:
    a) without blood and without violence
    b) voluntarily and by the will of the people
    c) the states have not annexed anyone ..
    If we did not go to Ukraine, everything would be the same there ...
    .

    Why so brazenly breach? They did not ask the people, they led the crowd, the Americans led, the CPSU led, with the aim of the collapse of the Soviet Union, and they taught to hate socialism, but they destroyed it not at the will of the people, but at the behest of the capitalists, who poured the property of the USSR into their pockets.
  • Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 9 September 2020 20: 36 New
    +1
    "Annexation will start with economic integration" Woke up? And until that day, the economy of Belarus was integrated into the "democratic countries"? Almost all agricultural products, industry, worked for Russia! Almost every regional center has a store of Belarusian products! Fairs are held regularly! At least I can vouch for the south of Russia.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 00: 03 New
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    Now is not the time to annex Belarus, as the young people there are generally opposed to it.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 September 2020 00: 11 New
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    Quote: Rubi0
    There would be no Crimea would have dropped another Boeing or sank any pelvis in the Black Sea and with a skripal smeared with a novice and a grenade ... don't be naive

    Why does the West need it? On the contrary, it was in the interests of the West to be friends with the Russian Federation, how with the help of the Russian Federation one could influence China.
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 10 September 2020 16: 40 New
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    They cannot open their fly without adventure and outside help. They revealed it. What they "discovered" has been screaming from every iron for decades ... it is called the "Union State Project".
  • EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 10 September 2020 18: 13 New
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    Here they in their Foreign Affairs know everything about everyone lol
    Only they have never been able to calculate Putin's moves.