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Western Observer: Arming Japanese Air Force F-35s with Long-Range Missiles Will Make Russia and China Jittery

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In the Japanese media, citing sources in the military department, materials appeared that the country's air force command plans to arm the F-35 fighters in service. aviation long-range missiles.


It is reported that by 2022, the number of standard weapons of the F-35 will include missiles that will allow attacking targets at long distances - up to 500 km. What kind of missiles are in question is not reported.

At the same time, Western sources say that Japan plans to purchase a batch of JSM missiles, which are being developed by the Norwegian company Kongsberg and the American Raytheon. Missiles of this type are distinguished by the fact that they are capable of aiming at a target through several channels and hitting targets not only on the ground, but also at sea.

Forbes published the material of the Western columnist Michael Peck, who writes that the F-35 of the Japanese Air Force with new weapons "will make Russia and China nervous."

At the same time, it is noted that the new missiles can reduce the stealth performance of the fifth generation fighter. It is assumed that external mounts will be used to arm the F-35 with long-range missiles, since these ammunition will not be able to fit into the internal compartments of today's parameters.

Previously, Japan lost its 5th generation F-35 fighter. He fell into the sea during a scheduled flight. So far, the official Tokyo has not provided data on the true reasons for the fall. Experts assumed that the disaster was connected with problems with the onboard oxygen system of the combat aircraft.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 12 New
    14
    Western Observer: Arming Japanese Air Force F-35s with Long-Range Missiles Will Make Russia and China Jittery
    Wishlist not adequate zhurnalyug. request nothing more.
    1. Finches
      Finches 9 September 2020 07: 18 New
      16
      It will make you nervous and you will have to strengthen the grouping on the Kuril Islands with Iskander, for example ... Interesting, but probably after that one should expect not nerves from the Japanese, but immediately irrepressible bouts of diarrhea ... laughing
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        It will make you nervous and you will have to strengthen the grouping in the Kuril Islands with Iskander, for example ..

        Curious why they are still not there? Do we preserve the honor of the samurai, or are we not the masters of our land?
        1. Finches
          Finches 9 September 2020 07: 25 New
          10
          Why so! We have already transferred aviation, the Bal and Bastion coastal anti-ship complexes, electronic warfare systems to the Kuril Islands, and we are planning to supplement the missing ammunition with the S-400 air defense systems and the Iskander complex. If not already completed ...
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 33 New
            -12
            Quote: Finches
            Why so!

            You forgot to mention the machine gun companies. repeat
            I repeat the question. Why are there no Iskanders to reach Tokyo.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 9 September 2020 07: 37 New
              +5
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I repeat the question. Why are there no Iskanders to reach Tokyo.

              Tokyo is a long way for Iskander ... even if Hokkaido is busy. tongue
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 45 New
                -7
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                Tokyo is a long way for Iskander ... even if Hokkaido is busy.

                Okay, let's start with Hokaido. recourse to Tokyo 1000 km.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 9 September 2020 08: 41 New
                  +7
                  Let's start with the fact that Iskander is Oka's son, and Oka's western partners persuaded Humpback to destroy and ... correctly (according to the logic of the INF Treaty). For with a half-ton land mine (or rather, even 700 kg), the firing range was 400 km, but if you put a special warhead, and it is from several tens of kg (50 kg weighs a 152mm nuclear artillery projectile), we will not get impudent, we will define 100 kg, then by According to the laws of ballistics, a smaller throw weight will fly away further ... exactly in a small (500-1000 km), or even medium range (from 1000 km). Therefore, we know and they know that Iskander with a special warhead is flying far away. And by the way, why Tokyo? There are so many big and beautiful cities in Japan.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 9 September 2020 12: 24 New
                +6
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                Tokyo is a long way for Iskander ... even if Hokkaido is busy.

                Specifically for which Iskander? There are three varieties of them. The third is the export version - Iskander-E. But Iskander K and Iskander M do not walk alone from each other. And now the most interesting thing ... In the arsenal of Iskander-K there is a CD, which was created after working very hard on the CD Grenade, which, back in Soviet times, had a range of more than 2000 km.

                So the radius of action of this CD is not less than 2000 km, but for me this figure is 800 kilometers more. And from the Kuril Islands to Tokyo, 1583 km. So Iskander-K can easily reach Tokyo from anywhere in the Kuril Islands. hi
            2. Finches
              Finches 9 September 2020 08: 11 New
              +1
              No, I just answered you hi
            3. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 33 New
              0
              You forgot to mention the machine gun companies

              For the most interesting:



              companies ... just laugh laughing
        2. PROXOR
          PROXOR 9 September 2020 10: 04 New
          +1
          Because that, in my opinion, is already part of the MIG-31 with Daggers .... or will be deployed.
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 9 September 2020 10: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Finches
          It will make you nervous and you will have to strengthen the grouping in the Kuril Islands with Iskander, for example ..

          Curious why they are still not there? Do we preserve the honor of the samurai, or are we not the masters of our land?

          Well, of course, there is nothing to do on the Kurils of the Iskander OTRK, but on about. Sakhalin, they would be useful ... because. their range is greater than that of the DBK located in the Kuril Islands ...
          But there is no corps air defense ...
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 September 2020 12: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        It will make you nervous and you will have to strengthen the grouping in the Kuril Islands with Iskander, for example ...

        Not necessary. Taking into account the range of the cruise missile in the Iskander-K arsenal, it would be wise to deploy these complexes to the Kuriles, but to place Iskander on the mainland, somewhere closer to the Kuriles.
        By the way, this is what is said about the Iskander-K modification.
        Russia - 140 Iskander-M units in the Land Forces, 12 Iskander-M units in the Naval Forces and an unknown number of Iskander-K units, as of 2020
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 September 2020 07: 38 New
      -6
      Yeah, the ruble has collapsed, prices are growing for everything, but we will get nervous from long-range missiles of an unfinished penguin ... good
    3. hrych
      hrych 9 September 2020 07: 46 New
      14
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Wishlist not adequate zhurnalyug. nothing more.

      Well, why not. This really raises the question of terminating the threat. Our promising KS-172 has a range of 400 km, and the R-37, which is in service, flies for 300 km. Those. today the enemy has no chance in an air duel. Even if we take into account the stealth invisibility of the f-35, but they are guided by Sentry or Hokai, their radar range does not exceed 400 km, and the KS-172 works at the Irbis's range, i.e. shining like a Christmas tree, but at high altitude Avaxik is a priori victim of the Su-35 or MiG-31. Naturally, without external target designation, the f-35 turns on its radar, and according to the formula, since it is invisible, then I myself do not see anything, Stealth will shine with its active radar in the radio range. It was this simulation that led to the need to have a long-range air-to-air missile. 500 km, of course, is again nonsense, if the radar at such a range does not stupidly see. If the KS-172 was made to the maximum range of the Irbis PFAR, but the AFAR F-35 sees at a shorter distance. What makes PFAR different is its detection range. The range of 400 and the range of the rocket is 400, everything is logical, but here ... The enemy also has a problem with our tactical ZGRLS Sunflower, which again see a surface wave in the region of 450-500 km and stealth to it, to put it mildly ... Another wavelength. Again, for this, the S-400/500 over-the-horizon missiles. The sunflower sees beyond the horizon, and the S-400 sends a rocket there ... In short, they drove themselves into a corner with their stealth, missed the initiative in flight performance characteristics and ranges (they say, the invisible will fly up close), now they give birth in agony, they are already ready to hang on pylons Stealth ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 September 2020 08: 55 New
        +1
        You must first see, and then shoot ... and have carriers and missiles in the right amount.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 9 September 2020 10: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        Well, why not. This really raises the question of terminating the threat. Our promising KS-172 has a range of 400 km, and the R-37 in service will fly away for 300 km.

        here we mean an air-to-surface cruise missile, such as the AGM-158B JASSM-ER, which flies 1000 km in stock, but the export version will have half this range.

    4. Clear
      Clear 9 September 2020 07: 51 New
      +7
      Western observer Michael Peck: Japanese Air Force F-35 with new weapons "will make Russia and China nervous."

      Michael, well you jumped, belay you just barely reach A.S. Pushkin "Burn the hearts of people with the verb" ... Oh, is it okay that you have one plane of a country equal in volume to Lake Baikal, will make two countries half the size of the globe nervous at once? For now, on our nerves, let's stop at a pair of AN-2 "Kukuruznik" aircraft.
  2. viktor.
    viktor. 9 September 2020 07: 13 New
    +9
    Will Russia be made nervous? According to the new doctrine, Any missile launched towards Russia is Suicide! yes
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 9 September 2020 07: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: viktor.
      Will Russia be made nervous? According to the new doctrine, Any missile launched towards Russia is Suicide!

      Well, the Japanese Air Force ... suicide .... samurai in modern times. And to be nervous - no, to be nervous about us.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 9 September 2020 07: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: viktor.
      Russia will be made nervous

      You can't praise yourself - no one will notice.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 24 New
      0
      Quote: viktor.
      Will Russia be made nervous? According to the new doctrine, Any missile launched towards Russia is Suicide! yes

      This will not stop the real samurai (he is ready to commit suicide from childhood. Learn history. what ), but the experience of Japanese history, dust under the hooves of his horse. recourse
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 9 September 2020 07: 41 New
        10
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        This will not stop a real samurai (he is ready for Suicide from childhood.

        How many samurai are there? Raised according to Bushido? I somehow did not meet when I was there. Quite vain people, busy with their own problems ... So don't talk about horse hooves ...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 9 September 2020 07: 48 New
          -4
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          How many samurai are there? Raised according to Bushido?

          I think no less than ours, ready to defend their land. request
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 9 September 2020 07: 51 New
            +6
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            I think no less than ours, ready to defend their land.

            Much less ... knocked out the gene pool in the last war. And they don't have the experience of defending their own land ... They fought on foreign lands ...
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 9 September 2020 09: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              they have no experience of defending their own land ... they fought on foreign lands ...

              Okinawa. True, they did not restrain her ...
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 9 September 2020 18: 14 New
                0
                Okinawa's affiliation was decided in completely different instances, and not at all in Japanese ... yes
        2. Livonetc
          Livonetc 9 September 2020 07: 51 New
          0
          As for the hooves, an association immediately arose that had nothing to do with samurai.
          With those who at one time beat them in full.
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=FR54epzmuEY
        3. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 9 September 2020 20: 33 New
          0
          How many samurai are there? Raised according to Bushido? I somehow did not meet when I was there. Quite vain people, busy with their own problems ... So don't talk about horse hooves ...

          You are looking not there. We must look at the spiritual energy (riatsu), and it is the greatest in the Japanese. And if your spiritual energy is less than the one you are attacking, then your attack will not give anything, you simply will not even scratch the attacked one.
          That is why, by the way, it is hard for foreigners with the Japanese, they constantly feel the density of spiritual energy on themselves. And look, all the Captains and most of the first and second officers in the Gotei 13 are Japanese. The same irreplaceable leader is Yamamoto Genryusai, Japanese.
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            That is why, by the way, it is hard for foreigners with the Japanese, they constantly feel the density of spiritual energy on themselves.

            We do not consider ourselves to be foreigners.
      2. viktor.
        viktor. 9 September 2020 07: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote: viktor.
        Will Russia be made nervous? According to the new doctrine, Any missile launched towards Russia is Suicide! yes

        This will not stop the real samurai (he is ready to commit suicide from childhood. Learn history. what ), but the experience of Japanese history, dust under the hooves of his horse. recourse

        A real Samurai, the one who told the islands to take or the Knife in the Belly? wassat
      3. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 9 September 2020 10: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        This will not stop the real samurai (he is ready to commit suicide from childhood. Learn history. what ),

        That is why there are still occupying American troops on the Japanese islands (Read the post-war periodicals and take a sober view of the facts)?
        experience of Japanese history, dust under the hooves of his horse

        these hooves on the SA bouncer in the 45th ... and the Americans turned a couple of Japanese cities into dust ...
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 9 September 2020 13: 50 New
        +1
        A real samurai in the occupation would hardly have agreed to live or fought with the invaders or made hara-kiri for himself out of shame so there are no samurai there, only rats are cowardly.
        defend your land.
        "their" land has long ceased to belong to them but to the fascinating occupiers.
      5. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        experience of Japanese history, dust under the hooves of his horse.

        Summer 1945? Did you guess right?
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 September 2020 08: 55 New
      0
      Not any ....
  3. novel66
    novel66 9 September 2020 07: 15 New
    +8
    external mounts will be used to arm the F-35 with long-range missiles,

    no stealth - no f-35, the last chip disappears
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 September 2020 08: 00 New
      -1
      if really 500 km, then this is not relevant.
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 September 2020 08: 11 New
        +5
        then, I'm embarrassed to ask, do you even need a fuck? 500 km can be launched from an F-15 and from a hornet, and this is even an airplane
        1. Avior
          Avior 9 September 2020 08: 15 New
          +1
          expands the range of applications and increases versatility.
          no one said that the f-35 would be used exclusively in stealth mode. different tasks, different modes.
          1. novel66
            novel66 9 September 2020 08: 18 New
            +4
            I probably got my point across badly: besides stealth, the f-35 has NO advantages over other aircraft, well, it is not needed for that kind of money, this mythical rocket is a nail in the f-35's coffin
            1. Avior
              Avior 9 September 2020 08: 30 New
              +3
              stealth is a noticeable advantage in itself.
              and it costs not so much money as it turns out now. not more expensive than other planes, especially considering the expensive integrated electronics - and it needs to be suspended from others in containers.
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 9 September 2020 13: 57 New
              +2
              Pleases your concern for the state of the air forces of the countries that have relied on the F-35. smile
              But what if they're not that stupid?
              1. novel66
                novel66 9 September 2020 14: 10 New
                -4
                they are not stupid but addicted
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 10 September 2020 03: 52 New
                  -1
                  USA? From whom?
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 10 September 2020 07: 00 New
                    0
                    From the military-industrial complex, but is it the only F-35 they have?
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 10 September 2020 15: 05 New
                      -1
                      Explanation too convenient. We can also mention the tycoons of imperialism smile
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2020 09: 57 New
      0
      JSM fits into the F-35's internal compartment.
      This was a condition in the development of this rocket. And this was checked back in 2013.
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 September 2020 10: 33 New
        0
        what about
        since these ammunition cannot fit into the internal compartments of the parameters existing today.
        ??
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 9 September 2020 18: 22 New
      -2
      Okay, stealth, so Fushka from the external suspension will not have such a foolishness and speed from the word "absolutely", the MiG-23 will playfully catch up! laughing
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 9 September 2020 07: 16 New
    +1
    Previously, Japan lost its 5th generation F-35 fighter. He fell into the sea during a scheduled flight. So far, the official Tokyo has not provided data on the true reasons for the fall.

    Well Duc made me nervous and fell for unknown reasons
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      He fell during a sharp, almost vertical decline. The planes flew after the exercise along a certain corridor.
      The dispatcher from the base ordered the whole group to change the corridor, to descend to let other planes pass. This pilot decided to drop sharply (although there was no such requirement). And passed out in a dive.
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 September 2020 10: 33 New
        +1
        what kind of pilot is that ??
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 9 September 2020 11: 06 New
        0

        voyaka uh (Alexey)
        Today, 09: 30
        NEW

        0
        He fell during a sharp, almost vertical decline. The planes flew after the exercise along a certain corridor.
        The dispatcher from the base ordered the whole group to change the corridor, descend to let other planes pass. This pilot decided to drop sharply (although there was no such requirement). And passed out in a dive.
        Vsrasya, why sho? laughing Reading - you are amazed - did you yourself participate? Well, there was infa that a penguin with a penguin at the wheel fell, but WHERE are such details? !!! laughing
      3. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 49 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This pilot decided to drop sharply (although there was no such requirement). And passed out in a dive.

        Vieta also fell on takeoff. Then cooks from Ukraine were assigned to them. They began to cook borsch with lard for them. We flew in immediately.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2020 07: 16 New
    +4
    Western obZrevatel .... this is the same sofa strategist, like ours! With geography, mathematics, political science, and so on, he never has anything at all!
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 September 2020 07: 17 New
    +4
    The British and Japanese generally should not get involved in any kind of military showdown, until they have implanted gills in their citizens. 21st century in the yard no matter how.
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  8. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 9 September 2020 07: 30 New
    +3
    F-35 Japanese Air Force with new weapons "will make Russia and China nervous."

    While there is a vigorous bomb in Russia and China, the only one who can get nervous is Japan. Too small a territory does not allow us to talk about anything other than a single strike, and no even a very massive strike by non-nuclear weapons of Japan can compare in fatality with a massive nuclear strike on Japan itself.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2020 09: 37 New
      +1
      The Japanese, if they wish, will become a nuclear power in 3-4 months. They have produced all the components of a nuclear bomb. In quantities, not one copy.
      The nuclear filling has also been accumulated. Everything is disassembled.
      What they don't have is an ICBM. But there are carrier planes.
      ----
      Japan is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world.
      Do you really think that they did not take care of their strategic security in advance?
      1. Liam
        Liam 9 September 2020 09: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        What they don't have is an ICBM.

        Japan's launch vehicles "


        Л
        Lambda-4S
        М
        Mu-xnumx
        Э
        Epsilon (launch vehicle)
        H
        HI (launch vehicle)
        H-II (launch vehicle)
        H-IIA
        H-iib
        H3 (launch vehicle)
        N
        NI (launch vehicle)
        S
        SS-520
        SS-520-4
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 51 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Do you really think that they did not take care of their strategic security in advance?

        For a start, let them "secure themselves" from the invaders. So they live under supervision.
  9. askort154
    askort154 9 September 2020 07: 51 New
    +2
    Forbes published material of Western columnist Michael Peck, who writes that the F-35 of the Japanese Air Force with new weapons "Will make Russia and China nervous."

    Forbes is an authoritative financial and economic magazine. It would seem that military-political issues are not his topic. But apparently, when there is nothing to close the page with, they print all kinds of nonsense "observers" like Michael Peck. ( tongue)
  10. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 9 September 2020 07: 56 New
    +1
    Arming Japanese Air Force F-35s with long-range missiles will make Russia and China nervous


    This is a very controversial statement.
  11. Coconut
    Coconut 9 September 2020 08: 18 New
    +3
    Ay, Pug! Know she is strong that barks at the Elephant!
    1. ugol2
      ugol2 9 September 2020 11: 35 New
      +7
      Are you sure that This is a Pug, and This is an Elephant?
      In terms of population, some have 126 million, while others have 146 million.
      In terms of economic development, some are far ahead of others.
      Digging into the history of wars, we will find that both Some conquered the Others, and the Others defeated the First.
      Some allies are very strong, Others do not have them, there are only sympathizers behind the yellow river.

      Conclusion - the rivals are almost equal. Without the risk of organizing a general world war, they cannot defeat each other.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 9 September 2020 18: 29 New
        +4
        Is it difficult to understand that the survival rate of the population primarily depends on its density of distribution?
        Therefore, to achieve equal losses for Japan and 10 YaBG will be enough, and for Russia and 1000 YaBG will not be enough to achieve the same result with Japan.
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: ugol2
        Some allies

        They are occupiers. Not allies. And they still call Japs like monkeys, among themselves.
  12. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 September 2020 08: 23 New
    +3
    Western Observer: Arming Japanese Air Force F-35s with Long-Range Missiles Will Make Russia and China Jittery

    laughing
    All right, only Russia and China ... If only the DPRK does not get nervous ... repeat Otherwise, they may not know where and what the creation of nervousness leads to ... belay
  13. Tota
    Tota 9 September 2020 08: 26 New
    0
    Yes, they are already nervous about the fact that Russia is actively developing the Kuriles
  14. zwlad
    zwlad 9 September 2020 08: 36 New
    -2
    Pancake. I'm already nervous.
  15. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 9 September 2020 09: 07 New
    +2
    I remember the old joke:
    - This Pavarotti - no voice, no hearing, lisping, and even stuttering!
    - Have you been to his concert?
    - No, Haim sang a little over the phone for me.


    We read in the article on VO:
    At the same time, it is noted that the new missiles can reduce the stealth performance of the fifth generation fighter. It is assumed that external mounts will be used to arm the F-35 with long-range missiles, since these ammunition will not be able to fit into the internal compartments of today's parameters.


    Not too lazy to look at Forbes. I really wanted to know what Michael Peck actually said about stealth and problems with missiles that did not fit.
    It turned out that everything is correct:
    But there is a problem with the F-35 and missiles. While it can carry a variety of weapons under its belly and wings, it compromises the aircraft's stealth, which is based on elaborate surfaces to minimize radar detection.

    However, he immediately adds:
    This is why the F-35 has an internal bomb bay - a feature commonly found on bombers rather than fighters - allowing it to carry a limited amount of ammunition while remaining stealthy. LRASM and JASSM are too large to fit in the F-35 bomb bay. However, "The Joint Strike Missile is the only fifth-generation cruise missile designed to be launched from the F-35A's internal weapons bay."


    As you know, Raytheon Missiles & Defense and the Norwegian defense company Kongsberg Defense Aerospace have developed the Joint Strike Missile for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. With a length of 4 meters and a diameter of 0,52 meters (in the stowed state - with folded wings), it fits quite well in the same bomb compartment.

    For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that to this day, the range in performance characteristics for this missile was indicated within 250 km. However, in the performance characteristics of the Naval Strike Missile, on the basis of which the Joint Strike Missile was created, a range of 555 km is indicated. Apparently, by 2022, the Joint Strike Fighter will reach the same flight range.
  16. Mimino
    Mimino 9 September 2020 09: 54 New
    -1
    And how do they intend to defend their own aircraft carrier? After all, two or three hits of vigorous bars are enough to discourage the desire to fight and start just a struggle for survival, moreover, with vague prospects.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 September 2020 14: 02 New
      +1
      Who will launch them?
      In addition, they may have nuclear weapons "suddenly". And the question will arise about unacceptable losses for those who like @ throw loaves. "
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 10 September 2020 13: 01 New
        +1
        There is no concept of "acceptable losses" for Russia, you leave it for the United States in their wars to destroy a weak enemy. For Russia, there is one thing: I see the goal, I see no obstacles.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 September 2020 15: 10 New
          -1
          For Russia, there is one thing: I see the goal, I see no obstacles.

          A kind of psychology of the Hulk (Hulk to destroy, Hulk to break smile ).
          Do you have children ?? Are you ready to throw them yourself into the fire to maintain your macho image? Namely, this would mean ignoring the unacceptability of losses.
  17. Bratkov Oleg
    Bratkov Oleg 9 September 2020 11: 38 New
    0
    Will such a rocket fit into the F-35?
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 9 September 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    1500 warheads from Russia and several hundred from China seem to keep the West and Japan in a state of constant diarrhea. Well, we'll get nervous somehow. Soon they will write this: the presence of automatic machines in Japan makes China and Russia nervous.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 September 2020 12: 24 New
      -1
      Well, I'm calm about China.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 September 2020 14: 05 New
      +1
      Let me remind you that Russia and China are NOT AT ALL the same as Japan and the United States. Which have allied agreements.
      The Chinese do not owe us anything (except for moral support).
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 10 September 2020 13: 03 New
        +1
        If China snapped at Japan, the US would stand aside and watch Japan disappear in a nuclear fog. The USA is not suicidal to get hundreds of nuclear warheads in its cities and military bases. Here is the term "acceptable losses" for them.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 September 2020 15: 14 New
          -1
          The United States will stand on the sidelines and watch as Japan disappears in a nuclear fog. The USA is not suicidal to get hundreds of nuclear warheads in its cities and military bases.

          Likewise, China is not suicidal. Remember how both the Union and the United States approached the brink and recoiled from it, starting to negotiate. Having much more nuclear weapons.
          how Japan disappears i nuclear fog

          Somehow you are too romantic about such things. Is the adequacy all right?
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 10 September 2020 19: 37 New
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            China is not suicidal, but judging by the headlines in the Western media, well, I really want to pit Russia and China against at least someone.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 11 September 2020 06: 26 New
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              With whom? What media?
              As far as I know, a conflict between the United States and China is brewing.
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev 11 September 2020 08: 29 New
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                Western media love to write about the confrontation between Russia, China and the United States, simultaneously dragging in all NATO allies. Yes, there is no conflict between the United States and China, even if China kicks in Taiwan or Japan, the United States will howl, impose sanctions (which is more terrible for China than an ordinary local war) and watch as China sweeps away its enemy. In the modern world, if an attack is carried out by one of the big three, the rest stand on the sidelines and protest.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 11 September 2020 10: 39 New
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                  Japan the United States will howl

                  The reasons for this conclusion?
                  In the event of a threat of a nuclear strike against Japan, what if nuclear weapons accidentally end up in the latter? Let's say your friends will tell you .. Here's the move.
                  In a nuclear conflict between the United States and China, the latter is constrained in the means of delivery and the number of warheads. It's hard to imagine, but the response to the strikes on some (where it will reach) American cities may be the destruction of all Chinese. And several hundred million of the population. Density of residence ..
                  Realizing this, China will refrain from using nuclear weapons first. And the conflict will be conventional.
                  Let me remind you that it is from the American market that China has most of the profit.
                  Again, let me remind you: Japan and the United States are bound by specific treaties. And the "pigeons" will not be able to persuade the country to sit on the sidelines. And there are "hawks" even now, who will be given carte blanche.
                  1. Viktor Sergeev
                    Viktor Sergeev 11 September 2020 13: 11 New
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                    A fool who does not understand anything either in nuclear weapons or in geopolitics. Firstly, Americans love life very much and are ready to fight to the last soldier of their allies. Fear of shock for the United States is the most important indicator. The threat of destruction for any US politician is the main nightmare.
                    A strike on China may entail a strike on the United States from Russia (missiles then fly towards Russia, who will understand a lot in a limited time, plus there is the possibility of stupidly missing or touching Russian territory).
                    China has missiles (about 90 pieces) capable of striking any city in the United States. Potential losses of 10 million will stop the US.
                    And now about geopolitics: do you understand what the United States is? A soap bubble that only lasts because the dollar means something. Now, what will happen if China and the US, the two largest economies, strike each other, and even demolish Japan? Who will benefit? When a tiger and a lion fight, the wolves who are ready to occupy their niche win.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 12 September 2020 05: 00 New
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                      A fool who does not understand anything either in nuclear weapons or in geopolitics.

                      What are the sources of your incredibly deep knowledge in geopolitics (and conspiracy theories)?
                      The threat of destruction for any US politician is the main nightmare.

                      Is there any reason to believe that this does not apply to Chinese or Russian politicians?
                      Where are these stoic Spartans who despise the pleasures of the luxurious life of this world with us? ... There is none of them. Anyone that dumps, real estate (including in the West), expensive clothes and cars. It will be stressful to part with all this. And golden children will not understand and will not forgive, you see, they will strangle such a parent in the bunker.
                      China has missiles (about 90 pieces) capable of striking any city in the United States. Potential losses of 10 million will stop the US.

                      China has a potential loss of 500 million. Not very exchangeable. And the loss of the main sales market.
                      When a tiger and a lion fight, the wolves who are ready to occupy their niche win.

                      In the habitat of Lions, hyenas and jackals live. Survival masters.
                      A bubble that only lasts because the dollar means something

                      We stop reading Prokhanov, Dugin, Starikov, Fedorov and begin to study companies registered in the USA, the structure of their exports (and the share of resource exports in it).
  19. iouris
    iouris 9 September 2020 12: 23 New
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    It is impossible without a nuclear strike against Japan. Problem.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 11 September 2020 08: 30 New
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      The question is: who needs to conquer Japan? For China, it is enough to seize the disputed territory, to gain a foothold, and this is the end for Japan.
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 9 September 2020 13: 45 New
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    Russia and China can send these clowns together with their island to the bottom of nuclear weapons in 15 minutes and who is now nervous request
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 September 2020 14: 06 New
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      There are no such allies - Russia and China.
      And what if Japan has nuclear weapons, like Israel: no, but applicable if necessary? How many millions of victims are unacceptable losses for us?
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 10 September 2020 12: 59 New
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        For China and Russia in a global war, the destruction of the enemy is considered acceptable, while the number of victims does not matter if the fate of the country is at stake and they understand it. Hitler did not understand this, and neither did Napoleon.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 September 2020 18: 25 New
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          How interesting .. Tell me, did Batu understand this?
          And another question: how old are you?
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 11 September 2020 13: 14 New
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            Stupid, Batu had a huge advantage in people and experience, and in front of him was a weak, scattered enemy. By the way, where is the Golden Horde now? Experience shows: you can temporarily seize the territory of Russia, but then you will have to return it with interest.
            And now how old I am: 50, two higher (one of them is military), 20 years of experience as a lawyer. Arranges?
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 12 September 2020 05: 09 New
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              where is the Golden Horde now? Experience shows: you can temporarily seize the territory of Russia, but then you will have to return it with interest.

              By analogy, one might ask where is the Roman Empire now. - Collapsed due to internal contradictions. It happens so often. And interest has nothing to do with it.
              Silly

              Self-confidence screw back negative
              And now how old I am: 50, two higher (one of them is military), 20 years of experience as a lawyer. Arranges?

              I asked the question because I saw in your words a sort of youthful maximalism and irresponsibility. You can live for many years on Earth, but you will never get the ability to analyze information and think critically. An example is millions of adults and successful people in our country (including those with VO and honors, I saw myself) who charged water in front of the TV.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 10 September 2020 12: 57 New
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      So they get nervous, a finger on the button, well, I really want to press. In the place of the Japanese, with the assertion that the Russians and the Chinese are nervous, I would be shitty.
  21. Vladimir 141
    Vladimir 141 9 September 2020 17: 22 New
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    Not economical, however. Is it possible that the Japanese have no kamikaze left?
    And it's useless. She, Japan, is nearby, and it's not bad at all without airplanes ...
  22. Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 9 September 2020 17: 55 New
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    Interesting psychology of all these "experts" and "politicians". And the fact that all these airfields are targets and it will be a great miracle if all these "F-35 Japanese Air Force long-range missiles" just get the opportunity to take off
  23. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 11 September 2020 00: 28 New
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    It will be harder to roll the bags.