Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again. How will Russian gas stations respond?

Oil quotes hit anti-records. Since the beginning of the day, the price of a barrel of Brent crude oil has fallen by almost 6%. For the first time in several weeks the price of a barrel of "black gold" of this mark dropped below $ 40.

The main reason is the decision of the Saudi Aramco company to once again follow a "special path". The Saudi company decided to reduce the prices for oil exports, which led to an avalanche-like drop in the price level of hydrocarbons in the world market. If during the last 2 months the situation on the oil and gas market has stabilized, now turbulence has manifested itself again.

What experts associate the decision of the Saudi oil company?

It was stated that the measures to reduce oil prices were influenced by a new drop in demand in Asian markets. Once again, they talk about the problems in the economy that are associated with the pandemic. Additionally, it is said that the holiday season is ending, and therefore "the demand for fuel is falling."

Against the background of falling oil prices, the Russian ruble also began to sink rapidly. Thus, the Russian currency has broken through the mark of 90 rubles per euro. The next stage in the growth of the dollar against the ruble also showed itself. At the rate of the Central Bank, about 76,5 rubles are currently offered for the American currency.

And what will the Russian gas stations answer? ..

And at Russian gas stations there are no changes so far - in the sense that the owners of the oil business and the networks of gas stations are definitely not going to reduce prices for motor fuel.

Comments

[Aaron Zawi]

I have not been to the Russian Federation for several years, but as far as I remember you have the main assortment in local stores, so most likely there will not be a strong rise in prices, even with such prices for currency.

[SRC P-15]

Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again.

And the ruble has recently been falling even with oil prices rising! And now, with even cheaper oil, the treasury will receive no less rubles than before! This is the "paradox" of our economy.

[Svarog]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

This is the "paradox" of our economy.

This paradox is from our wallet .. but this paradox cannot last for a long time .. Consumer capacity has dropped dramatically .. with all that it implies ..

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Svarog

This paradox is from our wallet .. but this paradox cannot last for a long time .. Consumer capacity has dropped dramatically .. with all that it implies ..

Well, I don’t know how the consumer ability of others fell, but I buy myself the same products as before. The pension still allows. And your garden helps: tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, potatoes, dill, weeding, digging, cleaning - this is physical activity, which means health and excellent appetite!

[Odysseus]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And your garden helps: tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, potatoes, dill, weeding, digging, cleaning - this is physical activity, which means health and excellent appetite!

Well, at the subsistence level, the purchasing power hasn't really changed much. But all the same it fell - seeds, tools, etc. - prices are growing.
In general, you are right, for survival in the modern Russian Federation, this is the best strategy.

[210ox]

Subsistence farming as a strategy does not stand up to criticism. I say this as a villager. Now it becomes unprofitable to plant even potatoes - labor costs and expenses. Easier to buy. Livestock and poultry farming helps in some way, but it all comes down to feed. It used to be profitable to take bulls for feeding, now the cost of slaughter weight has been frozen for a year.

[Civil]

Well, people always pay ... we are now in this position,

[PROXOR]

Well, here I do not understand. You are talking about feed. But as far as I know in the USSR, all cattle in the village were provided with fodder from their own production. Some fields were distinguished, which were on "rest", they were sown with a mixture of clover and ordinary grass. Some fields were used for pasture and feeding of livestock. Something exclusively for hay harvesting. The fields with cereals gave straw, which went to the litter. Corn for silage. The only thing that needed to be bought was rock salt in pieces. I don’t understand what is preventing us from making a blank.

[Alexander I]

So it’s necessary to work, it’s easier to buy ready-made feed, but then you will not be able to pay off with meat.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Who lives in the apartment? Which vegetable garden?

[Temples]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Who lives in the apartment? Which vegetable garden?

He has a TV in every room and in the kitchen.
At least two refrigerators.

Whoever wanted what he got.

Someone's house and garden.
And some have an apartment and TVs.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Whoever wanted what he got.

Ardent greetings to the inhabitants of megalopolises!

[210ox]

Two refrigerators will occupy the entire free area of ​​the kitchen in an urban setting. And about the summer cottage .... Yes, basically there are a couple of beds in the city, to arrange a picnic on the weekend. What can help us in these conditions? Now I don’t know. Even alarmingly like that. We left for Anapa for a few days to swim and sunbathe, from the Vityazevo airfield (it is now dual-use) Su30 and Su24 often take off towards the sea. Intercepts the enemy.

[PROXOR]

Life will press down - they will begin to build.

[PROXOR]

Yes, here in the flowerbed under the windows)))

[Turist1996]

In short, we are returning to the 90s, when a garden-vegetable garden for half of the country turned out to be a "lifesaver".
And electronics engineers remembered their peasant roots ..

[210ox]

About engineers. They have long remembered who they were before. Who stayed. In the summer I launched an automated control system for one entrepreneur. He was very surprised that a specialist in controllers was found in the Kuban village ... but the closest engineer of this direction is one hundred and fifty miles away in Armavir. They all sailed.

[4ekist]

Electronics technologists, artists, poets, and the intelligentsia remember their peasant roots, watering roses and frying barbecue. They go to the dacha to rest, and not to eat potatoes.

[pereselenec]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, potatoes, dill

The words of poverty imperceptibly returned to the Russian language:

Let's start with the word "feast". It is used by people who limit their spending on food. The word "feast" is always heard in interviews of poor pensioners who talk about their diet. "From retirement I buy myself a chicken to feast on." This is an accurate marker of poverty and even poverty, since in the XXI century. the diet and prosperity of an average person almost excludes any food deprivation. People rarely buy caviar, truffles, or fine wine. But only the poor call these purchases a delicacy, thereby betraying their dissatisfaction with the daily diet. If you have come on a date with a completely successful-looking person and suddenly he offers to eat chocolate, be alert: you are absolutely sure of a poor man playing someone else's game. Unfortunately, there are more people in Russia who like to "feast on". This word almost disappeared from mass use for ten years. And so it came back. How "gourmet" and "delicacies" returned. This is terrible. Even worse is what Russians now consider a delicacy: cottage cheese, meat, fruits, fish, sweets ...

Another marker is the same "curd" and "apple". The diminutive forms applied to food give out a servile attitude towards them. And servility to cottage cheese or apples occurs only in people who are undernourished, moreover, undernourished here and now. And the malnourished, not through the fault of the elements, catastrophe or war, but because of their poverty, their social distress. Chronically malnourished. In any blockade or military memoir, you will not find the widespread use of diminutive forms of the words "bread", "milk", "porridge". Russian peasants ate bread, drank milk and fried fish, starving for hundreds of years under the tsars and after them, while noblemen and merchants all this time consumed bread, milk and fish. But the sex workers in taverns offered them "caviar", "balychok" and "sterlet". In general, remember: if you are treated to a red "fish" in someone's house, it is likely that it was bought at the expense of other needs - for example, instead of a "chicken" for children. Walk through the market, stand at the dairy section of the store. Listen - more and more people are calling food with a special aspiration: "meat", "fish", "milk". They are malnourished!

Another word in this series is "pamper". "Sometimes I indulge myself with cottage cheese" - a provincial teacher who can barely make ends meet tells reporters. "I buy apples only on my paycheck - to pamper the children" - another teacher shares. Another will say "I rarely delight children with fruits - only from the salary." It would seem that the situation for both is the same, but no - the second does not feel malnourished.

There are people who, when asked about their diet, optimistically answer: "We eat well." Don't believe it! These people are also malnourished. They probably do not have hunger, but they cannot afford various foods. They cannot afford to buy food for pleasure. They don't eat - they eat, fill themselves with energy, eat just enough to sustain life. Anything that goes beyond nutrition is considered a delicacy. Nutrition is a bitter Soviet word for the consumption of food within the framework of vital norms.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: pereselenec

Quote: СРЦ П-15
tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, potatoes, dill


The words of poverty imperceptibly returned to the Russian language:

What do you even understand? Have you grown anything with your own hands in the beds? Did you nurture what grows on them? Protected your vegetables from weeds and diseases? The diminutive names of these vegetables are not from hunger or from the fact that I cannot buy them! And from the fact that you put your soul into growing them! You love them and enjoy your job of caring for them! I live in an apartment, but I have my own vegetable garden, and every winter I can't wait for spring to come and it will be possible to stretch my bones and muscles that have hardened over the winter. As you will not understand: I grow vegetables not because of want and hunger, but from the pleasure that I get in the process of their growth. And so is most of my retired neighbors. Likewise, "curd", "meat", "milk" are called so because people remember how they raised their cattle with love (even in childhood) and used their products in abundance, which were always surplus, but from this "milk" did not become milk, but "meat" meat!
But now our generation will leave and vegetable gardens will be overgrown with weeds - today's youth does not welcome digging in the ground, they would rather sit on the Internet than dig up a garden bed. Here they are not protected from unforeseen hunger!

[Temples]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

As you don’t understand: I grow vegetables not from want and hunger, but from the pleasure that I get in the process of their growth.

And apparently they envy you.
Otherwise, where does the minus come from?

You are given a minus for sharing the joy of life.

How much anger in people.
This is because people live in urban cells.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Temples

And apparently they envy you.
Otherwise, where does the minus come from?

You are given a minus for sharing the joy of life.

How much anger in people.
This is because people live in urban cells.

No, Vladimir! They don't envy, they don't believe! They do not believe that a person gets pleasure from physical labor! They don't believe that you can live on retirement! They do not believe that I am writing the truth and not making it up! They don't trust anyone! For them, the truth is its own truth. They do not accept any other truth! I never minus an opponent precisely because everyone has their own opinion and whatever it is, he must be respected! But, unfortunately, with respect to the site, the trouble!
But on the other hand: if someone gave me a minus, it means that he was somehow hurt by my comment and he did not pass by indifferently! For this it is worth continuing to write your posts!

[DED_peer_DED]

It's horrible. Even worse is

You are a woman. Why hide this wonderful fact under the nickname pereselenec (Ivan)?

[PROXOR]

Look at what you are wearing, where it is all sewn. For mobile communication to work, you need equipment for base stations. A banal ballpoint pen in your hands. Light bulbs in your chandelier at home. Everything will be China at best.
And although we have been told a million times from this site that Russia and China are switching to settlements in national currencies, nevertheless, all settlements are still carried out in dollars. It's more convenient this way.
The garden in this case will not save you.

[Temples]

Quote: PROXOR

The garden in this case will not save you.

The vegetable garden will save your soul.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Svarog

This paradox is from our wallet ..

this is the paradox of your mind!
oil prices do not affect the ruble against the dollar !!!!

[Roman13579]

Ruble = Oil / 3 934 + 0,0014

Well, just a picture ..

[Wolf]

Yes, and this is done artificially, there is no economic connection here. Russia does not sell oil for rubles. These are the consequences of speculation in the financial banking market.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Roman13579

Well, just a picture ..

so what should we see in this picture?

[antivirus]

the main thing is not to remove the bruliks from under the plaster.

[seregatara1969]

Do not be afraid - everything will rise in price, as usual

[YOUR]

Oil prices are falling, but thank God, we managed to avoid falling gasoline prices. Steady growth. 35 - 45 kopecks per month.
If, without laughing, it simply surprises, Russia is the second country in the world in the production of hydrocarbons, and the prices of fuel, gas prices are going off scale and not just going off scale, but constantly growing.

[PROXOR]

Well, it is necessary, like Sechin and Miller, to report on the growth of profit of the concerns to the shareholders. There is no profit for the cardon, the profit will increase here.

[NEOZ]

Quote: YOUR

gas prices go off scale

give a comparative analysis of gasoline / gas prices by country.
we will operate with facts, not your conjectures!

[YOUR]

Let's compare their salaries and ours, and we will operate with facts and not your speculations.
And lo and behold, in the US, gasoline prices fell to the level of 2012, and the average salary increased. You like to compare everything with the USA.

[NEOZ]

Quote: YOUR

Let's compare their salaries and ours, and we will operate with facts

let’s go!

Quote: YOUR

And lo and behold in the USA

a country that prints world money can afford to spill gasoline for free !!!
which, in principle, is happening! if you look at the foreign trade balance.

Quote: YOUR

You like to compare everything with the USA.

Ukrainians like to do it.
ps
I think that Russians today live better than they deserve, given the loss of 50% of the population, 60% of industry, 40% of the territories 30 years ago.

[YOUR]

Exactly. They also have a printing press in every apartment.

[NEOZ]

Quote: YOUR

Exactly. They also have a printing press in every apartment.

merge?
Well, pull up the materiel and come back !!!!

[YOUR]

For starters, you decide that in the United States, altruists are at the helm or all sharks who pull the last veins out of people.
And who is not clear in the United States, how bad it is, their medicine is awful, all the toothless go for it is expensive, or still the printing press works in every home and the government is so kind that for its citizens free gasoline is poured.
How do you decide to come back. Pull up for one piece.

[NEOZ]

Quote: YOUR

all the toothless go there because it is expensive, or does the printing press work in every house

apparently, you are not capable of constructive dialogue ... my condolences ...

[YOUR]

Quite the opposite. But if there is nothing to answer then let THIS be your answer.
My condolences.

[rocket757]

Seeds have already risen in price .... the dollar is growing! Or our sunflowers don't grow anymore! Yes, oil has risen in price too!

[your1970]

Quote: rocket757

Seeds have already risen in price .... the buck is growing! Or our sunflowers don't grow anymore! Yes, oil has risen in price too!

- that means our agricultural farmers will again be in fat

[rocket757]

It's okay, if only they bought more products from us, and not dragged them from over the hill !!!
Circulation, work - goods - money - ... and further along the chain!

[210ox]

Are the sunflower seeds more expensive? We have this "black gold". I still think how a native enterprise can survive on one product of non-main consumption, so to speak.

[rocket757]

EVERYONE who has been moaning lately has started up.
Surprisingly, the car shampoo plant works fine, although their car washes are almost empty ... off-season, dry, dust blows off the car with the wind.

[Clear]

Quote: rocket757

Seeds have already risen in price .... the dollar is growing! Or our sunflowers don't grow anymore! Yes, oil has risen in price too!

Yes, they say in the South of Russia there was a drought and a poor harvest of sunflower.

[210ox]

Not a harvest of everything. Sunflower, corn, winter crops. Yes, the drought and March disappointed.

[rocket757]

So we have the very south and IS !!! But we have NO rains, for a long time and thoroughly, DRY!
So when you go along the "Caspian" highway around the field and everything is yellow from sunflowers ... IT WAS!
Now oh and oh, only the irrigated fields have a harvest!

[Svarog]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I remember you have the main assortment in local stores,

If about the products, it is still close, although if you carefully study the issue, then the grocery basket is highly dependent on the dollar .. Well, everything else could not be replaced by import, so we buy the enemy, although we are switching more and more to Chinese consumer goods, we cannot approach European goods ..

most likely there will be no strong rise in prices

Price growth is stable, about 30% per year. Almost exactly repeats the course of the wooden one .. The ruble has fallen in price by 25% against the dollar since the beginning of the year. Is it strong or not? In conditions when the salary is not growing very noticeably .. In the 90s, inflation was frantic, but the salary was growing just as fast, but now everything is stable .. The salary has been in place for 6 years, and the price tag is getting more expensive every year ..

[Simargl]

Quote: Svarog

If about products, it is still close, although if you carefully study the issue, then the grocery basket is highly dependent on the dollar.

Why not be addicted? Fuel - "follows" the dollar and becomes more expensive with any movement. There is an enemy law banning the development and production of GMO seeds, but there is no ban on the import of seeds. GMOs are not reproduced, so you have to buy seed all the time, and since you don't have your own, then for foreign currency ...
Think the howl about GMOs is just blowing up?

[Svarog]

Quote: Simargl

Think the howl about GMOs is just blowing up?

Of course not just like that .. In our world there is a pragmatic, cynical and mercantile reason for everything.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I have not been to the Russian Federation for several years, but as far as I remember you have the main assortment in local stores, so most likely there will not be a strong rise in prices, even with such prices for currency.

Aaron, you do not know our traders well! How will they raise!

[Turist1996]

Aaron, you do not know our traders well! How will they raise!

That's for sure! Even more and more!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I have not been to the Russian Federation for several years, but as far as I remember you have the main assortment in local stores, so most likely there will not be a strong rise in prices, even with such prices for currency.

There are a lot of foreign components in the production chain.

[dSK]

Dmitry Medvedev is a Russian politician:
In part, it is proposed to discuss the so-called idea of ​​the minimum guaranteed income of citizens.
This refers to the inviolability of the minimum amount of funds that is paid by the state to a person regardless of his type of activity, social and economic status.

The next Sunday, in many regions, the election of governors, and the "Belarusian factor" does not subside, Lukashenko predicts that Russia will be next behind his country.

[Temples]

Quote from dsk

Lukashenka predicts

With such a predictor in the summer, you will find yourself skiing on asphalt.

[Alexander I]

This comrade (Medvedev) was babbling about the 4-day working week as a fucking manager fell from the moon.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I have not been to Russia for several years, but as far as I remember, you have the main assortment in local stores

Several years or many years? In the Russian Federation, shopping centers (points) are connected with warehouses and other storage devices by a cluster system. Day and night on the streets scurrying trucks with the inscriptions of the trading systems: "Lenta", "Magnet", "Pyaterochka", "Maria RA" and so on. Transportation costs are everywhere. The assortment in Kuzbass stores is very different, often direct deliveries from Altai and other regions.
I can only say that nothing good is foreseen for us from the decline in world oil prices.

[Turist1996]

Hello fellow countryman!

[NEOZ]

Quote: ROSS 42

nothing good is expected for us from the decline in world oil prices.

and for whom is it foreseen?

[blackice]

And think for yourself?
During the period of self-isolation, when half of the country sat down on the priest exactly, the entire Russian "elite" (read "members of the Ozero cooperative") enriched themselves.
https://www.forbes.ru/milliardery/401395-rossiyskie-milliardery-razbogateli-za-vremya-pandemii-na-62-mlrd

[NEOZ]

Quote: blackice

During the period of self-isolation, when half of the country sat down on the priest exactly, the entire Russian "elite" (read "members of the Ozero cooperative") enriched themselves.

Explain with an example how you can get rich by forcing others not to work, how can this be?

[blackice]

I gave a link to the article. I hope for you not a cat typing here? If not, it's not hard to read.
I'm not going to retell everything. There is a primary source, and refer to it.

[NEOZ]

Quote: blackice

it's not hard to read.

read ...

Quote: blackice

I'm not going to retell everything.

but in vain! in the article it is written: “However, over the past two months since then, dollar billionaires have only grown richer - the fortune of only 25 leaders in the rating during this period grew by $ 255 billion.

Members of the Forbes list from Russia did not stand aside either. "

rating leaders:
Here's how much the world's 25 richest billionaires have made in the past two months. The gains are for the period from Monday, March 23rd to Friday, May 22nd.

Jeff Bezos, USA. Status - $ 146,9 billion, an increase of $ 29,9 billion. Source of wealth - Amazon.
Bill Gates, USA. Fortune - $ 106,5 billion, an increase of $ 11,9 billion. Source of wealth - Microsoft.
Bernard Arnault, France. His fortune is $ 94,1 billion, an increase of $ 12,8 billion. The source of wealth is LVMH.
Mark Zuckerberg, USA. Fortune - $ 86,5 billion, an increase of $ 31,4 billion. Source of wealth - Facebook.
Warren Buffett, USA. Fortune - $ 69,2 billion, an increase of $ 6 billion. Source of wealth - Berkshire Hathaway.
Larry Ellison, USA. His fortune is $ 66,4 billion, an increase of $ 10,4 billion. The source of wealth is software.
Steve Ballmer, USA. Fortune - $ 65,4 billion, an increase of $ 14 billion. Source of wealth - Microsoft.
Larry Page, USA. Fortune - $ 63,6 billion, an increase of $ 14,2 billion. Source of wealth - Google.
Sergey Brin, USA. Fortune - $ 61,3 billion, an increase of $ 13,7 billion. Source of wealth - Google.
Amancio Ortega, Spain. His fortune is $ 60,5 billion, an increase of $ 5,2 billion. The source of wealth is Zara.
Jim Walton, USA. Fortune - $ 55,2 billion, an increase of $ 3,6 billion. Source of wealth - Walmart.
Alice Walton, USA. Fortune - $ 55 billion, an increase of $ 3,6 billion. Source of wealth - Walmart.
Rob Walton, USA. Fortune - $ 54,8 billion, an increase of $ 3,6 billion. Source of wealth - Walmart.
Françoise Bettencourt-Myers, France. Fortune - $ 54,2 billion, an increase of $ 6,4 billion. Source of wealth - L'Oréal.
Mukesh Ambani, India. His fortune is $ 52,7 billion, an increase of $ 19,9 billion. The source of wealth is oil and gas, petrochemicals.
Carlos Slim Elu, Mexico. Her fortune is $ 51,2 billion, an increase of $ 4,2 billion. The source of wealth is telecommunications.
Mackenzie Bezos, USA. Her fortune is $ 47,8 billion, an increase of $ 10,4 billion. The source of wealth is Amazon.
Ma Huaten, China. His fortune is $ 46,4 billion, an increase of $ 6,8 billion. The source of wealth is online media.
Jack Ma, China. His fortune is $ 41,3 billion, an increase of $ 3 billion. The source of wealth is online commerce.
Phil Knight, USA. Fortune - $ 37,7 billion, an increase of $ 9,9 billion. Source of wealth - Nike.
Elon Musk, USA. Fortune - $ 36,7 billion, an increase of $ 9,5 billion. Source of wealth - SpaceX.
Colin Zheng Huang, China. Her fortune is $ 35,6 billion, an increase of $ 17,9 billion. The source of wealth is online commerce.
Francois Pinault, France. His fortune is $ 31,8 billion, an increase of $ 2,1 billion. The source of wealth is luxury goods.
Sheldon Adelson, USA. His fortune is $ 30,7 billion, an increase of $ 1,4 billion. The source of wealth is casinos.
Michael Dell, USA. His fortune - $ 28,3 billion, an increase of $ 3,5 billion. Source of wealth - Dell Computers.

THESE ARE MEMBERS OF THE LAKE COOPERATIVE ??????

YOU JUST A PROPAGANDIST-MANIPULATOR !!!!!!!!!!

[blackice]

Here's how much the world's 25 richest billionaires have made in the past two months. The gains are for the period from Monday, March 23rd to Friday, May 22nd.

And why did you keep silent that with a decrease in prices for almost all foreign merchants were able to increase their wealth ????
At the same time, we have a general increase in prices for everything and an order of magnitude more than in the whole world, which, by the way, Soltselikiy himself admitted and was extremely surprised.

YOU JUST A PROPAGANDIST-MANIPULATOR !!!!!!!!!!

Well, you are either a kremlebot or a not very sharp mind Vatan.

[NEOZ]

Quote: blackice

At the same time, we have a total increase in prices for everything and an order of magnitude more than in the whole world,

Russian citizens are the richest in Eastern Europe.
what else do you want?

[blackice]

Another anecdote about cabbage rolls.
Oh well.

[NEOZ]

Quote: blackice

Another anecdote about cabbage rolls.

what determines the level of well-being of the country and its citizens?
what quality indicators would show this level?
I propose to operate with facts, not personal opinion !!!

[NEOZ]

Quote: blackice

Another anecdote about cabbage rolls.

and by the way, on what basis should you live as well as those who built their country for at least 300 years, and did not destroy it 3 times in 100 years?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: NEOZ

and for whom is it foreseen?

It will be good for those who buy oil for their own needs.

[Mikhail Ya2]

For importing countries, and most of them. So the decline in oil prices is a global boon

[viktor.]

Our main reason would be

[signifera]

Looks like a little memory fails)))
Fruits and a lot of vegetables don't grow here to be local, potatoes and those from Egypt are sold, along with the local. Milk and derivatives yes, meat yes. But as for technology, electronics, clothing and much more, mostly imported, and with the ruble exchange rate below the baseboard, everything becomes more expensive every day. On my mother's pension (an honored teacher of the highest category with great experience and awards), you can buy 345 liters of 95th gasoline. Gasoline is also growing in price steadily. There are no more sharp jumps, they are constantly throwing 10-20 kopecks.

[PROXOR]

Aaron. The trouble is that people in Russia are the very oil. The untold tycoons, together with the state, will pull their lost income from us. At least on the cost of gasoline and diesel. The increase of these automatically pulls prices for EVERYTHING.

[APASUS]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I have not been to the Russian Federation for several years, but as far as I remember you have the main assortment in local stores, so most likely there will not be a strong rise in prices, even with such prices for currency.

Our economy is export-oriented, and therefore, when prices for export goods fall, business pulls veins from the people, compensating for the lost profit from exports.
I bet the price of fuel at the filling station will rise in the coming month!

[Roman13579]

Yeah .. you haven't been for a long time, that's for sure ..
From the age of 14, for some reason, everything has doubled in price .. but yes - local production in China here ..

[Yaroslavl]

Unfortunately, this is not entirely true, or rather not at all ... a product is considered to be local production, when the entire chain of its production is domestic ... including equipment, transport, raw materials, etc. ... it turns out that we don't even have our bread, because it was sown with imported harvesters, and so on ... there is no question of other goods

[paul3390]

What is the question for? The past 30 years have clearly shown that whatever happens in the world, our prices for everything will only grow. And this is understandable - the Right Guys in a new state cannot lose money. If their incomes have fallen on foreign markets, it means that they will get their orphans on us .. The neo-feudal system works this way.

[Quadro]

What does feudalism have to do with it? Did you skip school? This is capitalism, if it has disappeared somewhere, it means that it has arrived somewhere.

[paul3390]

Because, aunt, what is built in Russia is neo-feudalism. Here, even ordinary capitalism smells only slightly .. Everything is according to the classics - the tsar handed out allotments to the boyars for feeding, in which they are delayed ..

[Narak-zempo]

Capitalism, capitalism.
Only peripheral.

[paul3390]

Capitalism is an economic system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and free enterprise. (C)

Well, where in Russia do you see the last two points of the definition? Neeeee - this is feudalism, only in a new package .. It's just that the land allotment has been replaced with an allotment in one of the areas of the economy ..


In feudal relations, land owners (feudal lords) are built in a hierarchical ladder: the lower (vassal) receives a land allotment (flax, feudal or fief) and dependent peasants from the superior (seigneur) for service. The monarch is at the head, but his power is usually significantly weakened in comparison with the powers of the big lords, who, in turn, do not have absolute power over all landowners below them.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: paul3390

Capitalism is an economic system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and free enterprise

Hmm. Where do you get this definition?
I taught something else:
Capitalism is a socio-economic formation based on private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of wage labor by capital.

But seriously, I can refer you to the works of Immanuel Wallerstein and Samir Amin, to the world-system theory. Capitalism is one, since the whole world is included in global value chains, and this production is generally capitalist. However, it is divided into a center and a periphery, and this cocked definition with legal equality and freedom of entrepreneurship is fair for the center, while on the periphery, certain elements of archaic formations are conserved as much as they facilitate the exploitation of local resources.

[blackice]

All right.
From the course of capitalism - what determines the price of a commodity?
First of all, the cost of raw materials. If the raw materials become cheaper, then the goods should also become cheaper.
Demand also forms the price. Do we have a massive demand for fuel?
Where does the rise in fuel prices come from?
During the fall in oil prices, the retail price of gasoline in the United States fell by almost a third. What happened in Russia during the same period? Rising fuel prices.
Now fit these arguments into the capitalism formula.
Feudalism as it is.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

All right.
From the course of capitalism - what determines the price of a commodity?
First of all, the cost of raw materials. If the raw materials become cheaper, then the goods should also become cheaper.
Demand also forms the price. Do we have a massive demand for fuel?
Where does the rise in fuel prices come from?
During the fall in oil prices, the retail price of gasoline in the United States fell by almost a third. What happened in Russia during the same period? Rising fuel prices.
Now fit these arguments into the capitalism formula.
Feudalism as it is.

Does the term "monopoly" tell you something?

[blackice]

If a monopoly, then a monopoly of power

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

If a monopoly, then a monopoly of power

What difference does it make in how market monopoly is achieved?

[blackice]

Big.
If the power monopoly controls the market, and what is not in favor of the consumer, then this is nothing more than feudalism.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

Big.
If the power monopoly controls the market, and what is not in favor of the consumer, then this is nothing more than feudalism.

You are too loose with definitions.
And besides, you confuse the basis with the superstructure.
Under feudalism, there is no "market". That is, market relations exist in some form, but the market as the main mechanism for coordinating the economy is absent. As well as commodity production.
Further, it is not the abstract "power" that controls the abstract "market", but specifically the power representing the interests of big capital establishes such rules of the game in the market that give maximum competitive advantages to this largest capital.

[blackice]

Under feudalism, there is no "market".

And now there is a market in Russia ?????
What are you about????
There is absolutely no market on the energy market. There is only what is given.
Try to convince me.
As my proof, I will give an example of the fact that the government during the "pandemic" banned the import of cheap gasoline from across the hill, in order to protect its producers (that is, the state does not care about the consumer, as citizens of their country). And the basis with the superstructure has nothing to do with it.
Where is capitalism here?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

And now there is a market in Russia ?????
What are you about????
There is absolutely no market on the energy market. There is only what is given.

Market, but what else?
You are not carrying a quitrent to the master, but buying an energy carrier for money. By the way, you have complete freedom not to buy - and no one can force you to. How no one forces you to buy food

Quote: blackice

As my proof, I will give an example of the fact that the government during the "pandemic" banned the import of cheap gasoline from across the hill, in order to protect its producers (that is, the state does not care about the consumer, as citizens of their country). And the basis with the superstructure has nothing to do with it.

That is, the government, consisting entirely of henchmen of big business, resorted to protectionism in order to protect the domestic market from foreign competition and provide it (capital) with super-profits.

[blackice]

Market, but what else?

Doesn't the market imply competition?
We have seen an increased demand for fuel, that it has been growing more than doubled over 8 years?
Doesn't the price of a commodity fall when the market is oversaturated?
Where are the market norms?

That is, the government, consisting entirely of henchmen of big business, resorted to protectionism in order to protect the domestic market from foreign competition and provide it (capital) with super-profits.

Well, this is feudalism.
What's the difference how to call the "henchman of big business" (although to be more precise, this is either he is, or it is his vassal), or a prince, lord or else "some kind of nobleness"?
In fact, this is no longer capitalism. Capitalism primarily implies competition among producers.
The same mattress toppers from Huawei did not refer to the cheapness and quality of goods, but brought them under espionage. Ours, not giving a damn about the people (whom they supposedly serve), protected the oil princes (that is, themselves) from losing part of the profits.
In general, I have not read from you the arguments that bring the actions of our state under the concept of "capitalism".

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

In fact, this is no longer capitalism. Capitalism primarily implies competition among producers.

Capitalism primarily implies private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of labor by capital. Wage labor, i.e. the main method of coercion is economic. What's wrong with that in Russia?
By the way, if you really want a competitive market, finally take your eyes off the energy market and look at the labor market

[blackice]

Capitalism primarily implies private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of labor by capital.

That is, under feudalism, the people of the prince worked for free?
The people were exploited in the same way, only the exploitation scheme was slightly different.
A ghostly pleasure like: I don't like the salary, I left for another, doesn't work in Russia. I do not like the salary, only a few manage to leave for another place, the rest still work on slave conditions, due to the lack of alternatives.
Where is the labor market in Russia ???
We have rather an unemployment market.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

That is, under feudalism, the people of the prince worked for free?

Exactly.

Quote: blackice

The people were exploited in the same way, only the exploitation scheme was slightly different.

A little bit - that's putting it mildly. I wrote above about economic and non-economic coercion.

Quote: blackice

A ghostly pleasure like: I don't like the salary, I left for another, doesn't work in Russia. I do not like the salary, only a few manage to leave for another place, the rest still work on slave conditions, due to the lack of alternatives.
Where is the labor market in Russia ???
We have rather an unemployment market.

No wait. When it came to the fuel market, you judged it solely from the point of view of the buyer, and when you started talking about the labor market, you immediately changed into a seller. Be consistent.
Unemployment means that the supply in the market exceeds demand, which means that everything is in order with competition, and the price of labor (your salary) is determined strictly by the "invisible hand of the market". At the same time, the buyer (employer) is free to choose from the set of potential employees the most profitable for himself (who will work well and will not require a lot of payment).

[blackice]

No wait. When it came to the fuel market, you judged it solely from the point of view of the buyer, and when you started talking about the labor market, you immediately changed into a seller. Be consistent.
Unemployment means that the supply in the market exceeds demand, which means that everything is in order with competition, and the price of labor (your salary) is determined strictly by the "invisible hand of the market". At the same time, the buyer (employer) is free to choose from the set of potential employees the most profitable for himself (who will work well and will not require a lot of payment).

This is now writing about Russia ????
Hahaha !!!!
Of course, I read the theory about parallel universes, now the campaign will have to be believed.
Once again - where in Russia are the forms of capitalism involved ????
The feudal lord can also regulate the labor market by getting rid of those who do not want (or cannot) tithe.
I could not pay, I was driven away. He began to grumble against the feudal lord - he was expelled or imprisoned.
In fact, leaving part of the goods produced to the worker (peasant), the feudal lord pays him a wage. The feudal lord determines how much it will be.
And the law is given to the feudal lord at the mercy, as now, however.

A little bit - that's putting it mildly. I wrote above about economic and non-economic coercion.

So the same laws of the market and under the feudal lords worked.

Quote: blackice
That is, under feudalism, the people of the prince worked for free?

Exactly.

With what fright is free then ???
And so I did not see the direct relationship of the formulas of the capitalist system to Russia.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

And so I did not see the direct relationship of the formulas of the capitalist system to Russia.

I have given you three fundamental features of capitalism:
1) private ownership of the means of production;
2) the exploitation of hired labor by capital;
3) commercial production.
Which of them is not capitalism in Russia?

[blackice]

.

1) private ownership of the means of production;
2) the exploitation of hired labor by capital;
3) commodity production

Those are different under feudalism ????
Wage labor under slave conditions ??? Do not make me laugh!!!
Commodity production? And at what tunings is it not?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: paul3390

In feudal relations, land owners (feudal lords) are built in a hierarchical ladder: the lower (vassal) receives a land allotment (flax, feudal or fief) and dependent peasants from the superior (seigneur) for service. The monarch is at the head, but his power is usually significantly weakened in comparison with the powers of the big lords, who, in turn, do not have absolute power over all landowners below them.

Under feudalism, there is no commodity economy as such. And what you described is, sorry, just an add-on.

[blackice]

How is it that there is no commodity economy?
How did the feudal lord live, was it not from the sale of his products (harvest)?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

How is it that there is no commodity economy?

Well, no.
That is, most of the product produced was not a commodity, was not intended for exchange in the market, but was consumed in the same place where it was produced. Subsistence farming, you know.
The commodity economy in its apotheosis looks, for example, so that a farmer, having a dairy herd, sells milk for processing, and for himself buys it in a store.

Quote: blackice

How did the feudal lord live, was it not from the sale of his products (harvest)?

At the expense of the resources of his estate, he lived, which was given to him so that he could feed and arm himself and feed and arm his squad. At the expense of quitrent and corvee - i.e. appropriation of a surplus product based on non-economic coercion. What is the realization of the harvest, where? The neighbors are growing all the same. And trade is a despicable occupation for an aristocrat, whether it's a war.
If you take, for example, the Polish magnates-latifundists or the noble-serfs of post-Petrine Russia, then we already have the influence of capitalism, since they worked for the European grain market within the framework of the capitalist world-system that has been forming since the 17th century.

[blackice]

That is, most of the product produced was not a commodity, was not intended for exchange in the market, but was consumed in the same place where it was produced.

There were no merchants under feudalism ????
The merchants traded in what others produced.
If the feudal lords consumed everything themselves, then what did the merchants trade ???
The merchants themselves did not produce anything.
Hello !!!! Where is the logic???

At the expense of the resources of his estate, he lived, which was given to him so that he could feed himself and arm himself and feed and arm his squad. At the expense of quitrent and corvee - i.e. appropriation of a surplus product based on non-economic coercion. What is the realization of the harvest, where?

Every feudal lord made weapons?
Every feudal lord made clothes ????
My friend, what about your knowledge of history?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: blackice

There were no merchants under feudalism ????
The merchants traded in what others produced.

Do you read through the word?
Trade, commodity exchange existed throughout the history of civilization.
But how does this negate the fact that under feudalism the overwhelming majority of the product produced was not intended for trade, that is, it was not a commodity, but vice versa under capitalism?
Can you answer how the peasant differs from the farmer?

[blackice]

At the expense of the resources of his estate, he lived, which was given to him so that he could feed and arm himself and feed and arm his squad. At the expense of quitrent and corvee - i.e. appropriation of a surplus product based on non-economic coercion. What is the realization of the harvest, where? The neighbors are growing all the same. And trade is a despicable occupation for an aristocrat, whether it's a war.

You can change your shoes again while jumping.
The feudal lord lived only on his own, and trade is a shameful thing, but I read between the lines, and your statement that the feudal lords did trade.
Decide already, then we'll talk.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Narak-zempo

Only peripheral.

Colonial. When all the resources are exported for a penny by the governors of the metropolis.

[pl675]

Quote: paul3390

What is the question for? The past 30 years have clearly shown that whatever happens in the world, our prices for everything will only grow. And this is understandable - the Right Guys in a new state cannot lose money. If their incomes have fallen on foreign markets, it means that they will get their orphans on us .. The neo-feudal system works this way.

they didn't climb, but that was ... a warm-up. there is only fun ahead - the entire government is millionaires, and a salary of 17 thousand is the middle class

[pl675]

Quote: paul3390

What is the question for? The past 30 years have clearly shown that whatever happens in the world, our prices for everything will only grow. And this is understandable - the Right Guys in a new state cannot lose money. If their incomes have fallen on foreign markets, it means that they will get their orphans on us .. The neo-feudal system works this way.

when gdp talks about stability, it is clear what he means - prices are growing steadily. c-stability.
Spain, Canary Islands, as gasoline cost 5 eurokopecks 95 years ago, and now its price is 98.
and how the Spanish economy was shaking, only the lazy did not speak about it.
Russia's most fun ahead!

[NEOZ]

Quote: paul3390

Correct Guys in a new state cannot lose money.

apparently you do not understand what gold and foreign exchange reserves are and the volume of the ruble mass, as well as the turnover of dollars in the world ...

[Shurik70]

As the answer ... Yes, as always. The price will rise

[oldzek]

how will the gas station answer? the question, of course, is interesting. but nothing! they will rather raise and not lower the price IMHO

[Gennady Fomkin]

According to the United States Energy Information Administration, the country imported 68 million barrels, or 9,3 million tons of Russian crude, in the first half of this year, the largest amount in 16 years. As a result, the United States found itself between Holland and Malta, becoming the second largest importer of Russian oil. Holland has gold and Malta has bronze, but these two countries import oil mainly for onward transit, while America imports oil for processing and use. So American "silver" shouldn't reassure us: in fact, America ranks first among foreign consumers of Russian oil. In the first half of 2020, we have a trade balance of more than 50 billion plus, we need to reduce the trade in gas and oil, their prices are low, there is already a lot of money, and our children and grandchildren will need natural resources.

[Turist1996]

Whose children and grandchildren? Their children and grandchildren will have enough in three throats .. Eat - do not gobble ..
And about the "trade balance" - talk to the HSE.
They are great specialists in plundering everything and everyone.

[fn34440]

With the price of gasoline and diesel at retail gas stations, offshore oil monsters, holders of 3-4 foreign citizenships, are completely stupid.
With the full connivance of the Financial Monitoring, Accounts Chambers, Tax Inspectorates, OBEPOs, ZhEKov, RSU, vocational schools and Uryupinsk Music School No. 13 895.

[parusnik]

How will they answer? A motor rally on the cheap oil and the fall of the ruble ...
We are somehow interested in whether oil is cheap or expensive, a change in the ruble exchange rate up or down does not affect the price of gasoline, the price is steadily growing ... .

[Svarog]

Quote: parusnik

its price is growing steadily ....

And after gasoline, everything else ... except for the salary

[parusnik]

Vladimir, do not be a skeptic. But how many cars the population has. You can buy an apartment for almost nothing, almost all clothes are imported, but sausages, sausages ... There are no queues ... Free elections: loaf, loaf, choose whoever you want .. .This ... like him ... well this one, that one, ah! Pluralism of opinions ... There is no totalitarianism ... Enterprises in the country are growing like mushrooms in the country after the rain, a queue of foreign investors has already lined up, everyone is investing their money, there is no unemployment, the living standard of the population is growing, over 17 thousand, you can go to Paris for a weekend fly, feed pigeons and sparrows with a French bun, save for retirement and take out a mortgage, I don’t want to live ... but you’re not feeling well ...

[Turist1996]

Noble trolling!
Or is it sarcasm, probably ..

[210ox]

Hmm ... You can buy an apartment and a car cheaply in Zimbabwe ... Bitter irony, I understand

[Vadim237]

Because regional budgets are benefiting from excise taxes on fuel - consider 70% of the cost of the gasoline or diesel fuel you buy anywhere in Russia.

[Turist1996]

Nope, there is a different formula ..

[Vadim237]

This is exactly what the state will not abandon it.

[zontov79]

“What will the merchants answer?” - Ostap Bender. Well, probably everyone will be given 10 thousand.

[Alien From]

It is naive to believe that gasoline will become cheaper .......

[Mouse]

This trouble
Gas stations will survive ....

[Terenin]

Quote: Mouse

This trouble
Gas stations will survive ....

Yeah, every day the service at the gas station is getting better. I refuel for a thousand rubles faster and faster!

Welcome

[babylon]

Down with the oligarchs!

[210ox]

But we do not have them (according to the Kremlin leadership)

[babylon]

Of course, we have no others like us,
but they have !!!!)))))

[Private89]

There can be no questions here, the rise in prices in our country can be limited only by the poverty of the population, in other cases prices only rise. But what question really needs to be asked is where the country is heading, with this socio-political system, isn't it to the cemetery? !!!
Vysotsky's song is not freely recalled:
“There was a time - and prices were reduced,
And the channels flowed right
And at the end they fell where they should. "
Maybe there is some other life - human!

[Turist1996]

In fact - yes, in the cemetery of history. For in the current paradigm, the existence of Russia, as a state, and Russians, as an ethnos, is a big question!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans? They live there like homeless people, despite the fact that there is more oil per capita than in Russia. In Venezuela, a liter of gasoline costs 5 bolivars. here is the ruble rate to the bolivar. gas for free. RUB VEF 50.00 63,669 100.00 127,338 200.00 254,676 500.00 636,690

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans?

Why should we envy the inhabitants of the other hemisphere? We remember life in the USSR:

[The leader of the Redskins]

Yes, really ... Probably at that time half of the world was jealous of US ...

[your1970]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Yes, really ... Probably at that time half of the world was jealous of US ...

- half the world did not know that at the end of the quarter - so that the funds would not be cut, it is necessary to drain a dozen or two fuel trucks into the ravine. It is a common thing in any organization of the USSR by the end of the quarter

And I will also remind you of the following nuanas
"The State Pricing Committee under the USSR State Planning Committee approved price list No. 29 on November 1968, 882, according to which, from January 1, 1969, the following retail prices for gasoline in the USSR were established:
Automobile gasoline (10 liters)
A-66-GOST 2084-67- 0 kop.
А-72- GOST 2084-67 -0р.70kop.
А-76- GOST 2084-67 -0р.75kop.
АИ-93-ГОСТ 2084-67 -0р.95коп.
АИ-98-ГОСТ 2084-67 -1р.05коп.
Aviation B-70 - GOST 1012-54 - 1p.20kop.
Fuel mixture - VTU 30-8-63 - 0kop "

the year was determined -1969-1970.

The number of passenger cars in the USSR in 1970 - 1,949 million
The number of passenger cars in the Russian Federation in 2020 - 44,5 million
so with so many cars, we would have come to expensive gasoline even under the USSR - the demand is too great. There is not even talk about current capitalism

[The leader of the Redskins]

I was born in the North. But the little ones moved from there. Father said that there were places near the roads where it was scary to smoke - so much gasoline and diesel fuel were poured)))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

А-76- GOST 2084-67 -0р.75kop.

In 86, 30 kopecks each fueled the moped.

[Vadim237]

Half of the world was jealous - but only no one fled from the accursed capitalism in the USSR, in the main mass they fled.

[pl675]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans? They live there like homeless people, despite the fact that there is more oil per capita than in Russia. In Venezuela, a liter of gasoline costs 5 bolivars. here is the ruble rate to the bolivar. gas for free. RUB VEF 50.00 63,669 100.00 127,338 200.00 254,676 500.00 636,690

there is a proposal not to envy anyone, but to ask a question to GDP—
why for Russia 17 thousand rubles is the middle class, and in damned America where the minimum salary of $ 10 per hour gasoline is cheaper than in Russia.
That's all I wanted to say.
noted that there was no one to argue with further.

[Virus-free crown]

And what will the Russian gas stations answer? ..

I think so - in a month the price tag at Russian gas stations will rise by another 5-10 percent

After all, it doesn't matter what happens here - the citizens of the Russian Federation are to blame and must pay extra from their pockets "to the members of the Ozero cooperative for everything that does not happen.

Well, now the question of questions - what does the price in the Russian Federation have to do in rubles to various events in the world?

- Is oil extracted from the depths of Russia?
- after all, gasoline is made from oil from the depths of Russia at Russian oil refineries?
- in Russia, after all, the entire production-processing cycle is for Russian rubles?

SO WHAT FIGURE the price of gasoline in Russia should depend on what is happening in the world ?!

[Odysseus]

Quote: Corona without virus

SO WHAT FIGURE the price of gasoline in Russia should depend on what is happening in the world ?!

Free Market Economy-Detected
Welcome to capitalism.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Corona without virus

SO WHAT FIGURE the price of gasoline in Russia should depend on what is happening in the world ?!

Free Market Economy-Detected
Welcome to capitalism.

"Free market economy-detected" is, for example, in the United States (although I hate them since childhood )
It’s easier there - the price of oil has fallen - gasoline has fallen in price ... the price of oil has increased - gasoline has risen in price ...

And we have

The price of oil has risen - our gasoline has risen in price ... the price of oil on the world market has gone up ...
The price of oil has fallen in price - our gasoline has risen in price ... the price of oil on the world market has fallen in price ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Has fallen in price in petrodollars, and since the ruble sank at the same time, we have what we have. If they were not trading for the currency of a hostile state, then other reasoning would make sense, but for now, alas and ah.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Has fallen in price in petrodollars, and since the ruble sank at the same time, we have what we have. If they were not trading for the currency of a hostile state, then other reasoning would make sense, but for now, alas and ah.

I clarify - even this afternoon I refueled at a gas station for rubles ...
Has "the power changed" in half a day?

[Turist1996]

So this is already an ancient meme about the price of benz in Russia:
Oil prices fall - benz grows;
Oil is growing in price - benz is growing;
Oil is in price - benz is growing.

Be purposeful - be like benz!

[Turist1996]

The third option: the oil price has not changed - after all, inflation!

[Rzzz]

Quote: Corona without virus

Russian refineries make

Only located in Russia. They are owned and profitable by foreigners.
In fact, having paid about 47 rubles for a liter of gasoline, you pay 12-15 rubles for the gasoline itself. This is exactly the cost of a liter, taking into account the sales at the gas station.
The rest 32-35 rubles is a "tax burden". That is, we buy a bezyuk at about three times the price, we give all the difference to our beloved government.

[aglet]

"FIG"
you started to write the word FIGA with the wrong letter, and you spelled it incorrectly, but otherwise, you are right. but the questions are purely rhetorical

[Dikson]

And I think, what is it in the news feed they write about the rise in prices for sunflower oil and seeds ...

[senima56]

“Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again. How will Russian gas stations answer?” - a strange question! Of course, prices will rise for gasoline and diesel fuel (and at the same time for gas)!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

definitely not going to reduce

We are waiting for the next "seasonal growth" of Benz at gas stations. In the absence of their "seasonal fall".

[Alexey from Perm]

it is logical to say an increase))

[Odysseus]

The article, to put it mildly, is disingenuous. The ruble, as expected, began to gradually lower after "zeroing" despite the rising oil prices. The article focuses on the events of the last 2 days.
But of course, for the modern Russian economy, falling prices even by $ 5 is a significant problem. 40 per barrel. By the way, a rather big price. For comparison, in the 90s, the price was from 10 to 23 per barrel. But then the Soviet reserves had not yet been eaten up. Now, to maintain even the current standard of living with an income of 15 thousand per person, a price of 45-50 per barrel is needed.
The budget will be cut in any case - the issue is in scale. Well, the price of gasoline will rise slightly all the time. Our authorities (an alliance of large property owners and officials) would greatly increase, but the purchasing power is so low that it makes no sense.

[Vadim237]

"For comparison, in the 90s, the price was from 10 to 23 per barrel. But then the Soviet reserves were not yet eaten up." Yes, they were not - then they were all just plundered and the whole economy in a complete ass until 1998 lived on IMF loans. in 1998, the GKO collapsed because there was nothing to cover the debts and the IMF curtailed lending almost no gold reserves - and sailed to default Oil prices above $ 40 are now important for the budget in the plan for replenishing the NWF. And you seem to have a short memory.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Vadim237

And you seem to have a short memory.

I have a good memory and I remember the 90s very well. Let me remind you that the course of market reforms was launched in 1987, and after 1991, strategically, we are following the same path. So, leave the tales about the "bad 90s" and "good subsequent Putin's" for a more naive audience. After 98, with the arrival of the Primakov-Maslyukov government, the most delusional market measures were really eliminated, and a modern state cap was formed. (which the "liberals" still cannot forgive), but the most radical reforms in the social sphere were carried out already in the 2000s and later amid super-profits from oil .. The process of consuming resources did not stop for a second. And in reality, the situation has been continuously deteriorating since the beginning of the 90s.
If in the 90s during the decade the country could withstand 15 per barrel, now prices will drop to 15 and in the Russian Federation within a year a war of all against all will begin with the destruction of the state.

[businessv]

Quote: Odyssey

So, leave the tales about the "bad 90s" and "good subsequent Putin's" for a more naive audience.

Namesake, the dashing 90s happened during the EBN, which you forgot about! He drank and distributed the whole country, so the "good Putin's" did not happen right away, it was also necessary to clean up the war!

[Vadim237]

"If in the 90s during the decade the country could withstand 15 per barrel, now the prices will drop to 15 and in the Russian Federation within a year a war of all against all will begin with the destruction of the state." Why is it all of a sudden, if you are not aware of the share of oil and gas in the structure of GDP 19% in the budget for this year, 30 percent will be typed by this, unlike the USSR, we do not have a closed economy and we have 600 billion gold and foreign exchange reserves and we have how to replace oil and gas - last year non-resource exports amounted to $ 210 billion this year it could be increased food exports of the same coronavirus vaccines, gold, silver - which doubled in price and much more that the world needs constantly from generating capacities to equipment of isotope satellites, and so on, "In the Russian Federation, within a year, a war of all against all will begin with the destruction of the state" this is a fabulous shiz sucked out of the finger.

[Aag]

"... unlike the USSR, we do not have a closed economy .."
??? The economy of the USSR was self-sufficient in the main areas! There was certainly no such disgraceful percentage of imported (from a potential enemy) components in arms and military equipment! The merchant fleet under its own flag, its own construction (Polish shipyards, like many other things, were part of the general structure of the socialist camp economy) went around the world. The Belarus tractor. exported to 64 countries, etc. m, etc. IMHO: we must not forget about it.
"... last year, non-resource exports amounted to $ 210 billion .."
But now on the radio they announced: the debt of Russians on various types of loans exceeded 3,7 trillion rubles ... I thought the announcer made a reservation, - he googled ... Nifiga is not an economist, but, in my opinion, the figures are alarming. Even Oreshkin last year to GDP applied with a request to influence the catastrophic situation for the economy.
Can someone clarify the situation (the impact of the population's debt burden on the economy; well, or, as an indicator of the state of the economy)? The example of the United States, in our case, in my opinion, will not work ...

[Vadim237]

"The economy of the USSR was self-sufficient in the main areas!" Well, yes, buying tens of millions of tons of grain abroad and having a total deficit in everything and a surplus in various trash. Belarusians are now exporting to dozens of countries, however, like Rostselmash. "But now on the radio they announced: the debt of Russians on various types of loans exceeded 3,7 trillion rubles ..." And what - all banks have issued loans worth 78 trillion, all loans are part of the market economy, the whole world uses them and will always use them.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Odyssey

then the Soviet stocks had not yet been eaten

They were just "devoured" by strictly defined personalities at that time. And the people were eating a hole in their own pocket.

[Polente the Wanderer]

Silly question. Will answer as usual with price increases

[BAI]

Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again. How will Russian gas stations respond?

The answer is obvious to everyone - an increase in the price of gasoline.

[Ghermesus]

How will Russian gas stations respond? The same thing as always - a blow (breakout) on prices. It all comes down to buying a small car, or those who can afford to pay at least 70 or even 100 rubles per liter of fuel will drive without any problems.

[petrol cutter]

And I always said - just a bicycle, only - the sun, fresh air, physical training. And a good mood will not leave you anymore! ...
If it's cold, it doesn't matter! Hiking before and after work is very invigorating. Especially at minus thirty for example. Leave time to think about the work plan for tomorrow.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Petrol cutter

And I always said - only a bicycle, only - the sun, fresh air, physical training.

a couple of bags of grain on the scruff of the neck and look at you

[And why do you need]

Quote: Germesus

How will Russian gas stations respond? The same thing as always - a blow (breakout) on prices. It all comes down to buying a small car, or those who can afford to pay at least 70 or even 100 rubles per liter of fuel will drive without any problems.

Can you tell me which small car 40kA pound container will carry? Well, very interesting.

[petrol cutter]

"And what will the Russian gas stations answer? .."
Our filling stations this time will respond to Chamberlain by raising prices.
The evil intrigues of enemies will not spoil our mass!

[kutuz]

"What will the Russian gas stations answer" - nothing! It was the Arabs' oil prices that fell as a result throughout the world, but not in Russia, so there is no point in responding to Russian gas stations.

[Livonetc]

Hydrocarbons on the world market will continue to sell even if prices fall.
The main goal is to keep the sales markets.
About the prices.
The dollar is paper, oil is an objective reality.
As soon as there are signs of getting out of at least the pandemic phase of the economic crisis, prices will immediately begin to rise.
Well-established sales channels and secured markets will be a good help for hydrocarbon suppliers to get out of the crisis phase.
So whoever blinks in this game will lose.
The main part of the price of oil products in Russia is the state excise tax.
And the network of gas stations receive profits mainly from the sale of products, food, manufactured goods at gas stations.

[Aag]

"... who blinks in this game will lose ..."
Somehow, there is not even intrigue ... If you believe the latest publications in the media (empty and unfinished gas pipelines), ours, it seems, do not open their eyes at all. Are they sleeping? )))

[Turist1996]

Note to the author: living in Siberia, I am somehow glad that the price tags at the gas station do not jump after the price tags for oil. But the latter are jumping, in the words of one of my charismatic acquaintances: "like" women of low social responsibility "on the bed. And this is the most cultural statement on this topic.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans?

Why should we envy the inhabitants of the other hemisphere? We remember life in the USSR:

Forget. Can recall how diesel fuel was poured into the irrigation ditch?

[Turist1996]

I remember! Not such price tags, of course .. But that diesel fuel was twice cheaper than gasoline - I remember for sure !!!
Now I just "go nuts" from the price of diesel fuel !!!

[Liam]

Quote: Turist1996

I remember! Not such price tags, of course .. But that diesel fuel was twice cheaper than gasoline - I remember for sure !!!
Now I just "go nuts" from the price of diesel fuel !!!

Why does a private trader need diesel fuel in the USSR? What private cars were diesel powered?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Liam

Why does a private trader need diesel fuel in the USSR? What private cars were diesel powered?

Two Volga models, GAZ-21 and GAZ-22, received the same unit as Moskvich. However, later, in 1962, the engineers decided to equip the heavy Volga with more powerful diesel engines - 2,2 liters in volume and 65 horsepower.
More details: https://110km.ru/art/dizelnye-legkovushki-vremen-sssr-125978.html

[Liam]

In the USSR, all transport was on gasoline, with the exception of tractors, a few KAMAZ trucks and the like, and buses, and even then not all

[Aag]

Quote: Liam

In the USSR, all transport was on gasoline, with the exception of tractors, a few KAMAZ trucks and the like, and buses, and even then not all

So there were more tractors than private cars!
Somehow, it immediately struck the eyes: "In the USSR, all transport was on gasoline." ...

[Liam]

Only the tractors were not privately owned and they did not refuel at the gas station. Therefore, the price of diesel fuel did not play any role in a person's life.

[Aag]

Quote: Liam

Only the tractors were not privately owned and they did not refuel at the gas station. Therefore, the price of diesel fuel did not play any role in a person's life.

I do not argue with that.
But you write "all transport was on gasoline ..." One word is not enough - "private".

[Liam]

Do you have a tractor listed in the "transport" category?)
Transport is mainly GAZ and ZIL, and a few KAMAZ and MAZ.

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, gasoline corresponded to Euro 0 standards, and now Euro 5, 6 with diesel fuel is the same as modern engines need clean fuel, no matter a diesel engine or a gasoline engine from a dirty fuel system at times they are covered.

[Aag]

Quote: Vadim237

In the USSR, gasoline corresponded to Euro 0 standards, and now Euro 5, 6 with diesel fuel is the same as modern engines need clean fuel, no matter a diesel engine or a gasoline engine from a dirty fuel system at times they are covered.

"In the USSR, gasoline corresponded to Euro 0 standards ...."
Not in the USSR, but in the times of the USSR ... Otherwise it turns out, you distort ... And, in general, this is an ecological norm, and is not directly related to the quality of fuel.
By the way, Euro 0 was adopted only in 1988, and even then, a part of European countries.

[Vadim237]

In general, it is more than related to fuel quality.

[Aag]

Quote: Vadim237

In general, it is more than related to fuel quality.

"... not DIRECTLY linked."

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

can you recall how diesel fuel was poured into the ditch?

I know Istria, as it was in the 2000s. Tanks. They were given to someone according to the winter rate in the summer month, and then, so that a shadow would not fall on someone in the high office for that oversight, someone quietly emptied several cisterns into a ravine. For the tundra - there is no one to sell in such volumes and there is nowhere to store it. Fortunately, environmental scandals at that time were an overseas curiosity.
Bad planning didn't go anywhere.

[Turist1996]

It was stated that the measures to reduce oil prices were influenced by a new drop in demand in Asian markets. Once again, they talk about the problems in the economy that are associated with the pandemic. Additionally, it is said that the holiday season is ending, and therefore "the demand for fuel is falling."

Sorry what?! The vacation season ends - people start to work - to work - to consume energy. Plus - autumn and winter are just around the corner! What, nafig, decrease in demand ?! In two or three months, the heating season begins throughout the northern hemisphere, and for the Saudis, “a decrease in demand due to the end of the vacation season,” and this is with a complete stagnation of the service sector around the world .. What vacations ?! What are you about?!
The article was written by humanitarians, they rule the world ..
Thank God - there are TECHNARIOS - ENGINEERS who know how not to die for the humanities.

[Svetlana]

Russian refineries pay for oil in rubles and sell products for rubles. What does the ruble exchange rate have to do with it?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Svetlana

What does the ruble exchange rate have to do with it?

Rough. The oil industry has a choice - to sell the foreign trade for dollars or domestically for the same amount of rubles. As soon as the dollar becomes at least one ruble more, sales within the country for the old amount of rubles become less profitable for the oil industry than the sales of foreign companies and the poor oil industry has to raise the price within the country so that the toad does not eat. The real scheme, of course, is somewhat more complicated - it includes state compensation, and "tax maneuvers", and so on, so on. But the meaning is the same.

[Svetlana]

Behind the hill there are refineries and oil corporations. And especially they are not expected and not allowed there.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Turist1996

I remember! Not such price tags, of course .. But that diesel fuel was twice cheaper than gasoline - I remember for sure !!!
Now I just "go nuts" from the price of diesel fuel !!!

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans?

Why should we envy the inhabitants of the other hemisphere? We remember life in the USSR:

Almost every Russian can afford to buy a car. However, in the USSR, movable property was considered a real luxury. Which not everyone could afford. People bought motorcycles and mopeds. They were both cheaper and easier to get. In general, in “that country” there was a large imbalance in goods. Something was in abundance, but something was sorely lacking.

So that's it. There was much more gasoline than the technology that consumed it. If after a working week there was some fuel left, the owners of mopeds, motorcycles, and some cars simply poured it into the nearest ditch. Or they gave it to friends. Judging by the photo that was taken around the end of the 70s, 93rd gasoline (yes, then there was still A-93) could be bought for about 20 kopecks / liter. Well, if your vehicle was running on diesel fuel, a liter cost about 6 kopecks.

[Liam]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Well, if your vehicle was running on diesel fuel, a liter cost about 6 kopecks.

What personal vehicles were driving diesel at the time?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Liam

What personal vehicles were driving diesel at the time?

Two Volga models, GAZ-21 and GAZ-22, received the same unit as Moskvich. However, later, in 1962, the engineers decided to equip the heavy Volga with more powerful diesel engines - 2,2 liters in volume and 65 horsepower.
More details: https://110km.ru/art/dizelnye-legkovushki-vremen-sssr-125978.html

[Liam]

And how many pieces of this rarity were there in the whole country?

[Vadim237]

Probably the same as cars with a three-speed automatic transmission.

[Avior]

Well, GAZ 13 and 14 were produced in thousands.
Z200 and 1100 pieces, respectively.
ZILs are also representative up to hundreds of pieces of several models and modifications.
They were at least seen on TV.
They were not all over the country, but in Moscow there were

[Avior]

These are export versions, they were not in the USSR.
If there were, then random single diesel copies, for some reason, were not exported.

[Aag]

"... (yes, yes, then A-93 still existed) ..."
AI-93.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

How will Russian gas stations respond?

what an idiotic question ?!
gasoline will rise in price

[iouris]

Soon oil prices will rise rapidly. Do not wake up dashing while it is still.

[Connor MacLeod]

The Saudis are really asking ... Well, is it really impossible to find justice on these scum?

[Campanella]

You have to deal with your economy, then the Saudis won't give a fuck. After all, most of the profit goes to the west .. Products, clothes, machinery, machine tools and other equipment ...

[Connor MacLeod]

Normal economy. Raw material militarized economy. Spartan, one might say.

[Campanella]

You are joking?
A normal economy is when there is a great need for science and qualified personnel.

[Connor MacLeod]

Such a need exists in the military-industrial complex and in the fuel and energy complex.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Well, if your vehicle was running on diesel fuel, a liter cost about 6 kopecks.

What personal vehicles were driving diesel at the time?

Visiting card of the car "Moskvich-21411"



YOM: 1992
Body type: five-door hatchback
Drive: front
Engine: Ford XLD418 diesel, volume 1,8 liters, power 60 hp
Length / width / height, mm: 4350/1690/1400. It is worth noting that, in addition to the GAZ-24, other diesel Soviet cars, such as Niva and Samara, existed with foreign-made engines.

[Liam]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

YOM: 1992

When did the USSR end?

[Avior]

1992 is not the USSR anymore, under the Soviet Union, diesel was installed on exported copies, there were none in the country.

[Aag]

Quote: Avior

1992 is not the USSR anymore, under the Soviet Union, diesel was installed on exported copies, there were none in the country.

Come across reexportnye.U my friend's first car diesel "Volga" was from the GDR.
Well, sailors sometimes brought something to the Baltic States ... Small things, of course ...

[Avior]

Yes, in the early 90s there were a lot of re-exports, I remember

[Campanella]

How can they answer? Of course growth!)))

[businessv]

Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again. How will Russian gas stations respond?

Price increase, essno !!! We all remember that our gasoline price rises in two cases: when the oil price rises and when the oil price falls!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Fuel price In the USSR, 1 ton: A -93 - 200 R, A -76 -150 R, A -72 - 140 R, A -66 -156 R, diesel fuel - 62 R, Autol - 230 R, Dizmaslo - 210 R.

[Liam]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Fuel price In the USSR, 1 ton: A -93 - 200 R, A -76 -150 R, A -72 - 140 R, A -66 -156 R, diesel fuel - 62 R, Autol - 230 R, Dizmaslo - 210 R.

What year is this?

[Mimoxod]

It's strange who pulls the strings, besides stock exchanges and brokers, these prices, harvest time, fuel consumption are always increased, winter is ahead, the heating season, gas and gasoline consumption will also increase in Europe, the laws of physics and nature have not been canceled Moreover, they predict a harsh winter. It is only sunny Israel all year round in shorts can flaunt, and they have nothing to do with cars, there you can ride a bicycle all over the country in a day

[aglet]

"harvest time, fuel consumption is always increased"
what does the increased consumption of diesel fuel during agricultural work have to do with the price of gasoline? Something I have not met a single tractor or combine on the 95th

[akarfoxhound]

How it will end, how it will end, they have concocted an intrigue straight up, they are eating your leg, gentlemen, writers. Gasoline will drop to 23 rubles, right? The article is about what ???

[Mimoxod]

The fact that this is bullshit, the consumption of hydrocarbons will still grow, this is another attempt to artificially manipulate energy prices.

[akarfoxhound]

This is understandable, for all 29 years of "the country's independence from reason", I wrote about this in the comments. A NEWS article about what? What is the new information? Filling the vacuum of an empty article cell on the VO? Was it a reason to indignantly poke commentators in the air?
P.S. I have a persistent (albeit subjective) feeling, judging by similar articles, that VO, as an up-to-date information and news resource, is written out, to put it mildly. I am wrong? Or, to paraphrase an old Soviet joke about a pilot and a banana, what is there to think? Here - you need to ban !?

[Uran53]

This is turbulence on the stock exchange, but in Russia prices always go up steadily, no matter what. The guarantor guarantees!

[viktor.]

60 rubles for one liter of diesel fuel at this time, I think 70 rubles will be.

[Imperial Technocrat]

Again, the scum talks about the tax system, the peculiarities of which (when the price of oil rises, gasoline almost does not grow, when the price of oil, gasoline almost does not fall) do not even know

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: pl675

COMMENTS 

First, you work as an American.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Liam

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Fuel price In the USSR, 1 ton: A -93 - 200 R, A -76 -150 R, A -72 - 140 R, A -66 -156 R, diesel fuel - 62 R, Autol - 230 R, Dizmaslo - 210 R.

What year is this?

Mid 1970s.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: pl675

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans? They live there like homeless people, despite the fact that there is more oil per capita than in Russia. In Venezuela, a liter of gasoline costs 5 bolivars. here is the ruble rate to the bolivar. gas for free. RUB VEF 50.00 63,669 100.00 127,338 200.00 254,676 500.00 636,690

there is a proposal not to envy anyone, but to ask a question to GDP—
why for Russia 17 thousand rubles is the middle class, and in damned America where the minimum salary of $ 10 per hour gasoline is cheaper than in Russia.
That's all I wanted to say.
noted that there was no one to argue with further.

Have you tried to work like in "America"?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: pl675

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Are you jealous of the Venezuelans? They live there like homeless people, despite the fact that there is more oil per capita than in Russia. In Venezuela, a liter of gasoline costs 5 bolivars. here is the ruble rate to the bolivar. gas for free. RUB VEF 50.00 63,669 100.00 127,338 200.00 254,676 500.00 636,690

there is a proposal not to envy anyone, but to ask a question to GDP—
why for Russia 17 thousand rubles is the middle class, and in damned America where the minimum salary of $ 10 per hour gasoline is cheaper than in Russia.
That's all I wanted to say.
noted that there was no one to argue with further.

Have you tried to work like in "America"?

Especially for you illiterate I will write for NYC:

Apartment from $1200 for a studio to $2000 for a three-room apartment
. In general, not everything is so simple. If you live in a large city, you will probably get a job, it is not a fact that you will immediately earn like a local American, but at some point, if you are diligent, everything will be fine. But the relationship is different, you can fly out quickly, things like vacation, or, God forbid, sick leave, are extremely unwelcome, even taking into account trade unions. And you must always remember that in the queue to leave during a layoff, you, as a non-indigenous, will also always be first. This is in the cities. But America consists of a large number of cities whose population is no more than 1000 people. and that's a lot. The economy there is completely different and the money earned there is completely different. Basically they live in a circle - I have a gas station, you have a bakery, she has a grocery store, so everyone goes to each other. And the farther you are from big cities and roads, the poorer life is. In general, everything is the same as ours. Everywhere is good, where we are not.

[Mavrikiy]

Oil is rapidly falling in price, the ruble is falling again. How will Russian gas stations respond?

The mustache is gone, chef! OIL $39,87 The chicken hasn't even laid eggs yet, but they're already cackling.

The Saudi company decided to reduce prices for oil exports, which led to an avalanche-like drop in the price level of hydrocarbons on the world market. If over the past 2 months the situation on the oil and gas market has stabilized, now turbulence has manifested itself again.

Well, yes, they expect Iranian oil to appear on the market. We've already been through this, we dropped over 30. Boring.

[trophy]

Russian gas stations will respond with a creeping increase in fuel prices. The bourgeoisie needs to compensate for the income lost due to the decline in oil prices. Well, don’t really tighten their belts.

[Mimino]

Yes, the ruble doesn’t care what gets cheaper or more expensive there. He has one vector of movement. The situation is the same with gasoline. And the entire top ranks diligently pretend that they do not notice the rapid decline in citizens’ incomes, in terms of the exchange rate. Soon all foreign goods will be, like in the USSR, just the stuff of dreams.

[Vadim237]

“Soon all foreign goods will be, like in the USSR, just the stuff of dreams.” They won’t - since most of them are produced in Russia, constantly increasing localization.

[Whirlwind]

The tax maneuver, which was introduced on the insistent recommendation of the IMF, leads to the fact that prices for bezine will be, as in Europe, for a stolnik... We have to pay for the lack of sovereignty and we pay...

[Igor is everywhere]

Yes, if only oil would quickly drop to zero... so maybe the country would learn to earn money with its hands and mind, and not be a so-called “gas station.”

[Russian Bear_2]

Increasing prices for gasoline and diesel fuel.